| 00:02.11 | ``Erik_ | huzzah for monty python's flying circus |
| 00:10.49 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18872 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): move GameTime from common to game for the same reason. the pollution is everywhere! |
| 00:14.09 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18873 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/ (common.vcproj game.vcproj): move GameTime from common to game |
| 00:17.22 | BulletCatcher | next victim: src/common/StateDatabase.cxx |
| 00:17.57 | JeffM2501 | we are trying to get close to a release right? not just changing things to change things right? ;) |
| 00:18.11 | JeffM2501 | puts on his producers hat |
| 00:18.17 | JeffM2501 | it's cool, it has a feather |
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| 00:24.18 | BulletCatcher | At least CIA is working reliably. It has reported 42 commits today without missing any. |
| 00:25.42 | JeffM2501 | now you've doomed it you fool! |
| 00:26.05 | JeffM2501 | was happy that he got to wear his custom bzflag work shirt |
| 00:26.17 | BulletCatcher | Sometimes you just have to challenge Murphy's law. |
| 00:27.22 | JeffM2501 | how is the font stuff working? are we better on that front? |
| 00:29.09 | spldart | One can psyche out Murphy. Or so I've discovered. New release in the wind? |
| 00:30.07 | BulletCatcher | There are quite a few serious bugs still. Lag is the worst. |
| 00:30.11 | spldart | Warrior, says the wind. Chieftain, says the rain. |
| 00:30.33 | spldart | Miscalculated lag or real lag? |
| 00:31.05 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18874 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): move Team from common to game for the same reasons as the others. it has game-specific logic in it, but more importantly it uses classes that are in game. |
| 00:31.12 | BulletCatcher | Real lag. Tanks jumping and can't hit 'em. |
| 00:31.21 | spldart | woah |
| 00:31.39 | spldart | Guess I'm really behind :( Been to busy |
| 00:31.55 | BulletCatcher | You have to have a real opponent to see it. |
| 00:32.10 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18875 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/ (common.vcproj game.vcproj): move Team from common to game |
| 00:32.12 | spldart | ic |
| 00:32.13 | brlcad | fg |
| 00:32.22 | Flash | my profiling shows the majority of time spent drawing fonts |
| 00:32.54 | brlcad | Flash: naturally, someone turned off some of the optimizations that were added :) |
| 00:33.24 | Flash | that someone isn't me is it? |
| 00:33.53 | brlcad | is probably kidding |
| 00:36.25 | ``Erik_ | "probably" heh :D |
| 00:38.48 | Flash | brlcad: have you been looking into the reasons behind the assertions that applmak put in? |
| 00:39.10 | brlcad | Flash: i've been looking into the problem, what about it? |
| 00:39.24 | Flash | it looks to me like the wrong arguments are passed where they can't be |
| 00:39.25 | Flash | http://flash.pastebin.ca/1242048 |
| 00:39.32 | brlcad | i'm back to my original assertion that there is something getting hosed during static initialization |
| 00:40.12 | Flash | the arguments to FTTextureGlyph ctor are VERY different from those passed to FTTextureGlyphImpl with no intervening statements |
| 00:40.37 | brlcad | your stack looks much better than mine does |
| 00:40.48 | Flash | oh, but the glyph on line 2 is bogus |
| 00:40.53 | Flash | that's supposed to be a pointer |
| 00:41.09 | brlcad | yep, it's corrupted |
| 00:41.20 | Flash | ok, all bets are off there |
| 00:41.20 | brlcad | you just have a little damage |
| 00:46.37 | brlcad | Flash: do you have a good bounds checker? |
| 00:46.44 | Flash | I don't know |
| 00:46.55 | Flash | I'm pretty ignorant of the tools on the Mac |
| 00:46.58 | brlcad | also, since your stack is clean, you might be able to single-step that in a debugger and see when the stack goes bac |
| 00:47.01 | brlcad | *bad |
| 00:47.06 | brlcad | ah, you're on Mac? |
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| 00:47.10 | Flash | yup |
| 00:47.13 | brlcad | okay |
| 00:47.20 | brlcad | then try this |
| 00:47.26 | Flash | it's clearly the stack though |
| 00:47.32 | brlcad | export DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES=/usr/lib/libgmalloc.dylib |
| 00:48.05 | brlcad | it'll possibly/probably crash very quickly |
| 00:48.18 | brlcad | maybe your trace is more helpful than mind.. |
| 00:49.14 | Flash | as I work up the stack I see valid arguments passed as invalid to lower calls |
| 00:49.33 | Flash | just realizes he didn't need to rebuild |
| 00:52.58 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18876 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): move two more cyclers from common to game. moving PlayerState and ShotUpdate over since they have game logic and cause a cyclic symbol dependency between the libs |
| 00:53.18 | Flash | ~brlcad++ |
| 00:53.26 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18877 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/ (common.vcproj game.vcproj): move PlayerState and ShotUpdate from common to game |
| 00:56.28 | brlcad | did you get the stack yet? |
| 00:56.37 | Flash | just about to run |
| 00:57.58 | Flash | it's no different |
| 00:58.35 | Flash | http://flash.pastebin.ca/1242063 |
| 00:59.06 | Flash | but it IS crashing on the first font allocation, so I'll try just stepping through |
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| 01:09.07 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r18878 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/game.vcproj: fix paths |
| 01:09.37 | DTRemenak | brlcad: when you move stuff between projects, you also need to change the paths...i.e. just moving from common.vcproj to game.vcproj, but leaving the path in the file as "..\src\common\blah.cxx" doesn't quite work ;) |
| 01:20.45 | Flash | brlcad: I think I found it... testing |
| 01:28.58 | Flash | will be quiet for a while now |
| 01:33.46 | TheRedBaron | ~mute Flash |
| 01:33.47 | ibot | ACTION seals Flash's mouth and says, 'What good is IRC if you are unable to speak?' |
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| 01:38.08 | Flash | can anyone explain how my arguments aren't being passed correctly? http://flash.pastebin.ca/1242097 |
| 01:48.27 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18879 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/ (19 files): style and ws consistency cleanup |
| 01:51.39 | brlcad | Flash: that's just a symptom of a corrupted stack |
| 01:52.27 | Flash | but as I step down into the call, that's what I see |
| 01:52.46 | Flash | the stack below the current function can't be corrupted, because it isn't defined |
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| 01:52.57 | spldart | Flash = Mr. Anderson ?! |
| 01:53.01 | spldart | ;) |
| 01:53.11 | Flash | take the blue pill, spldart |
| 01:53.39 | Flash | note that the address of the "string" argument is the same as "this" |
| 01:53.53 | Flash | that is certainly suspicious |
| 01:56.57 | brlcad | Flash: you ran the export line? it shouldn't have just run cleanly |
| 01:57.27 | Flash | I did. I also have the hard crash on the assert, and that's what triggers first |
| 01:57.31 | BulletCatcher | I am suspicious because FTFont::Advance() is being called with only 1 argument in BZFontFace_impl::loadSize(), but I don't see a 1-arg definition anywhere. |
| 01:57.45 | Flash | BulletCatcher: the other two are defaulted |
| 01:57.58 | BulletCatcher | k |
| 01:58.41 | Flash | but I changed FontManager to call it with three args, and the call is still honked |
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| 02:06.13 | brlcad | Flash: that's really odd, because the assert shouldn't trigger first .. it should crash inside Gmalloc if you set the variable |
| 02:08.03 | Flash | gmalloc is definitely loaded... I get constant prints |
| 02:08.26 | Flash | I think there may be some gdb issues with certain in-line functions, though |
| 02:08.41 | Flash | I just stepped farther down and all the arguments are correct |
| 02:09.00 | brlcad | comment out the Advance in src/3D/FontManager.cxx |
| 02:09.21 | brlcad | it's not necessary |
| 02:09.29 | brlcad | it should later crash during a getStringWidth |
| 02:13.02 | Flash | hit the assert again |
| 02:13.38 | Flash | it is down in a call from getStringWidth, yes |
| 02:13.55 | Flash | oh... that's an ugly stack |
| 02:14.56 | BulletCatcher | Halloween, BZFlag style |
| 02:15.10 | Flash | no, any FTFont::foo call appears honked, but it isn't |
| 02:17.29 | Flash | my session: http://flash.pastebin.ca/1242113 |
| 02:22.58 | brlcad | Flash: that's all to be expected, and I think a bit of a dead end without going a different route |
| 02:23.36 | brlcad | i'm still a little shocked your not getting the bounds failure -- are you ppc or x86/ |
| 02:23.44 | Flash | x86 |
| 02:23.48 | brlcad | hrm |
| 02:23.53 | brlcad | k |
| 02:24.17 | Flash | the asserts are triggering on values that weren't passed to the function.... that is what bothers me |
| 02:51.57 | Flash | upgrades to gcc 4.x |
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| 03:13.19 | echelon | would it be a cheat if the client automatically set to hunt someone who just grabbed a geno? |
| 03:14.04 | echelon | or if there was a marker on the radar to give the location of the last place an st was right before it grabbed the flag? |
| 03:14.57 | Frankenstein | there was an auto-hunt patch for a previous version - it was pretty cool |
| 03:15.06 | echelon | ah |
| 03:15.35 | Frankenstein | but whether it's a "cheat" - I guess that is up to the server owner |
| 03:15.50 | echelon | kk |
| 03:17.53 | me1 | The last location of a stealthed player seems sorta "cheaty", because if you were paying attention to the person, you would see on the radar anyway,but if you weren't, it just gives away the ST |
| 03:19.06 | echelon | hmm yeah |
| 03:19.34 | echelon | i know this isn't a cheat.. multiple hunts |
| 03:20.06 | Frankenstein | for geno tracking I like to use /highlight genocide |
| 03:21.02 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/autohunt_bz2.0.9_v3.0.diff.gz -- latest i could find |
| 03:21.26 | echelon | trepan :D |
| 03:21.31 | echelon | <= titmouse |
| 03:21.49 | trepan | just found a v4.0 |
| 03:22.08 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/autohunt_bz2.0.9_v4.0.diff |
| 03:22.35 | Frankenstein | think that would work with the latest 2.0.x code? |
| 03:24.29 | trepan | a few hunks of code fail, not that many though |
| 03:24.42 | trepan | (against 2.0.12) |
| 03:25.07 | Flash | I've wanted a "hitlist" autohunt |
| 03:25.23 | Flash | so whenever trepan decides to play, I have him on hunt ;-) |
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| 03:29.25 | trepan | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=81985#81985 -- some instructions for it are given in that post |
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| 03:32.20 | Frankenstein | is BZFlag looking for another typeface with a clear license? |
| 03:32.52 | Frankenstein | http://tulrich.com/fonts/ |
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| 07:19.52 | AAA_awright | In Trunk, I get a debug assertion failed on MSVC, line 1566 file .\xstring, it breaks at flag.cxx line 271 |
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| 07:23.37 | ashgadgets | heya guys |
| 07:23.49 | ashgadgets | anyone around? |
| 07:24.42 | ashgadgets | i certainly can use some help |
| 07:24.46 | ashgadgets | i lost my bzfs |
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| 08:31.14 | ashgadgets | heya anyone around???????? |
| 08:39.08 | AAA_awright | Looks like a no |
| 08:39.10 | ruskie | you really really need to learn irc... ask a question then idle is the general norm... |
| 09:03.29 | ashgadgets | ok now are you around?? |
| 09:06.45 | ruskie | ashgadgets, just ask the question and idle |
| 09:07.01 | ruskie | when someone that knows about it or has time to do it they'll respond |
| 09:08.26 | ashgadgets | i lost my bzfs |
| 09:08.37 | ashgadgets | i installed BZFS |
| 09:08.52 | ashgadgets | from the 2.99 package |
| 09:09.00 | ashgadgets | & the bzfs2006 is gone :( |
| 09:09.27 | ruskie | so remove 2.99 and install the old one back... |
| 09:09.49 | ruskie | don't see what the problem is there really... |
| 09:10.16 | ashgadgets | i just did |
| 09:10.18 | ashgadgets | nothing |
| 09:10.28 | ashgadgets | happens |
| 09:10.33 | ashgadgets | it searchs for bzfs here |
| 09:10.47 | ashgadgets | /usr/bin/bzfs or something like that |
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| 09:11.22 | ashgadgets | how do i safe remove bzfs? |
| 09:11.30 | ashgadgets | or bzflag 2.99? |
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| 09:40.32 | echelon | does bzflag.org use its own web host or does it use the vhosting service from sf.net? |
| 10:02.24 | brlcad | echelon: we used to use the vhost, but no longer |
| 10:02.42 | echelon | oh, why's that? |
| 10:03.21 | echelon | why did you change, rather |
| 10:03.53 | brlcad | because at the time, there were folks working on the wiki, drupal, and a few other components .. and those are a pita to set up with the limitations |
| 10:04.09 | echelon | what're the restrictions |
| 10:04.30 | echelon | i'm asking becauses i'm planning on using sf.net's vhost for my projects soon |
| 10:04.40 | brlcad | no outbound connections is one |
| 10:04.45 | brlcad | things are a little different now |
| 10:05.07 | brlcad | e.g. they provide mediawiki service now, so it's a lot easier to set up and enable |
| 10:05.43 | echelon | cool |
| 10:05.49 | brlcad | the no-outbound rule messed with things like e-mail confirmations on registration, you had to jump through hoops |
| 10:06.47 | echelon | i'd bet php/curl would be disabled as well |
| 10:08.16 | brlcad | no, they're there |
| 10:08.48 | echelon | aha, that's fine because i wrote a php class that handle mail via curl :) |
| 10:09.05 | brlcad | ehm |
| 10:09.10 | brlcad | you're not understanding then :) |
| 10:09.39 | brlcad | you think mediawiki, drupal, phpbb, and others are doing something drasticly different? :) |
| 10:10.06 | echelon | they uses php's mail() |
| 10:10.23 | brlcad | everything is there (and used to be enabled) -- the servers are prohibited by configuration from creating an outbound connection at a networking layer |
| 10:10.40 | echelon | ah |
| 10:11.38 | brlcad | so there is/was a whole process of intercepting the request, putting the e-mail into a database, and having some external server process pull the emails from the database and relay them out |
| 10:12.04 | brlcad | like I said, though, that was a while ago |
| 10:12.12 | brlcad | I'd say use it until you run into a problem you can't solve |
| 10:12.28 | brlcad | their server horsepower is a couple orders of magnitude better than what you can do by yourself |
| 10:13.08 | echelon | yeah |
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| 10:15.33 | echelon | i also recall it saying somewhere not to use files for storing dynamic content |
| 10:16.22 | echelon | since it's run on multiple srvers they may not always be synced |
| 10:16.35 | echelon | did you come across such a case? |
| 10:27.03 | brlcad | we never stored dynamic content outside of a database, so I couldn't tell you |
| 10:28.44 | echelon | yeah, that's what was suggested |
| 10:28.50 | echelon | alright, thanks a lot :) |
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| 12:42.05 | ashgadgets | heya all |
| 12:42.08 | ashgadgets | anyone here? |
| 12:42.24 | roboter5a | here |
| 12:42.47 | ashgadgets | hey rob |
| 12:42.57 | roboter5a | heya |
| 12:43.02 | ashgadgets | wanna come to my channel? |
| 12:43.06 | roboter5a | no |
| 12:43.22 | ashgadgets | it is ##ashgadgets |
| 12:45.41 | ashgadgets | are you dev rob? |
| 12:45.52 | roboter5a | no |
| 12:45.55 | ashgadgets | ko |
| 12:45.55 | ashgadgets | ok |
| 12:46.30 | ashgadgets | can you help me in removing the BZFS? |
| 12:46.35 | ashgadgets | 2008 |
| 12:46.37 | ashgadgets | 2.99 |
| 12:46.41 | ashgadgets | or something |
| 12:47.58 | roboter5a | # apt-get remove bzfs |
| 12:48.17 | roboter5a | but i guess this is wrong |
| 12:49.45 | ashgadgets | i installed from source! |
| 12:52.22 | roboter5a | go to the source and type |
| 12:52.24 | roboter5a | # make uninstall |
| 12:53.48 | ashgadgets | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.56 | ashgadgets | when i type bzfs |
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| 13:02.53 | ashgadgets | now it segfaults! |
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| 13:16.47 | ashgadgets2 | heya |
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| 13:18.03 | ashgadgets | swigg! |
| 13:18.18 | Swigg | !!! |
| 13:18.31 | ashgadgets2 | ashgadgets er... here? |
| 13:18.34 | ashgadgets2 | here |
| 13:18.42 | ashgadgets2 | i am on pidgin & xchat! LOL |
| 13:19.06 | Swigg | you are not ashgadgets... you are ashgadgets2 |
| 13:19.13 | ashgadgets | hez swigg |
| 13:19.16 | ashgadgets | now better_ |
| 13:19.21 | ashgadgets | with 2 ids! |
| 13:19.37 | Swigg | I don't want to talk to you; I only want to talk to ashgadgets2 |
| 13:19.44 | ashgadgets2 | heya |
| 13:19.55 | Swigg | hey.. you have an impostor |
| 13:20.05 | ashgadgets2 | no! i am ashgadgets! |
| 13:20.15 | Swigg | liar!!! |
| 13:20.27 | ashgadgets | i am ashgadgets2! |
| 13:20.31 | Swigg | say something ashgadgets would say |
| 13:20.36 | ashgadgets2 | i am ashgadgets |
| 13:20.46 | ashgadgets2 | vote obama |
| 13:20.47 | Swigg | say something ashgadgets would say |
| 13:20.57 | ashgadgets2 | palin is a moron! |
| 13:21.02 | Swigg | half of the world says that... try again |
| 13:21.06 | ashgadgets | ;) |
| 13:21.18 | ashgadgets2 | kill ashgadgets |
| 13:21.26 | ashgadgets2 | i hate that |
| 13:22.02 | ashgadgets | i am ashgadgets2 & ashgadgets! |
| 13:22.32 | ashgadgets | i also have myown channel! |
| 13:23.03 | ashgadgets | ##ashgadgets |
| 13:23.25 | ashgadgets | i know what swigg will tell! |
| 13:23.34 | ashgadgets | hate is such a strong word |
| 13:23.59 | ashgadgets | swiggy is an admin at BZtank :) |
| 13:24.08 | ashgadgets2 | really! |
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| 13:24.53 | ashgadgets | heya |
| 13:24.58 | ashgadgets | my imposter left! |
| 13:25.17 | ashgadgets | will be back soon |
| 13:25.18 | ashgadgets | cu |
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| 14:04.28 | ashgadgets | swigg! |
| 14:04.49 | Swigg | ? |
| 14:04.59 | Swigg | who is this? |
| 14:05.03 | ashgadgets | ashgadgets |
| 14:05.21 | ashgadgets | n=ashgadgets@ashgadgets! |
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| 14:06.36 | ashgadgets | swigg_! |
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| 14:24.57 | ashgadgets | BRL you tehre? |
| 14:25.03 | ashgadgets | i heard you are a dev |
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| 15:20.53 | delusional | Trivia Question: what is the abbreviation IDL stand for in the option "teleporter shot effect"? |
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| 15:40.59 | ashgadgets | hey jeff |
| 15:41.04 | ashgadgets | i need some help |
| 15:42.28 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 15:42.40 | ashgadgets | my bzfs is gone mad |
| 15:42.44 | ashgadgets | keeps segfaulting |
| 15:42.48 | ashgadgets | *has |
| 15:42.58 | JeffM2501 | what changed on the system? |
| 15:43.10 | ashgadgets | nothing |
| 15:43.15 | JeffM2501 | doubtfull |
| 15:43.24 | ashgadgets | i will put the segfault errors on the pastebin |
| 15:43.35 | JeffM2501 | do any update? or upgrades? config changes? version changes? |
| 15:43.50 | ashgadgets | http://pastebin.com/mfdf896b |
| 15:44.03 | ashgadgets | i did install bzflag 2.99 & remove it |
| 15:44.14 | JeffM2501 | that isn't enough info |
| 15:44.17 | JeffM2501 | so you made a change |
| 15:44.25 | ashgadgets | and reinstalled the bzflag 2.0.10 |
| 15:44.34 | JeffM2501 | did you update or change anything else? |
| 15:44.57 | ashgadgets | nothing |
| 15:45.01 | ashgadgets | more |
| 15:45.13 | ashgadgets | i did install bzflag 2.0.12 |
| 15:45.21 | ashgadgets | but that shouldnt have an effect |
| 15:45.26 | ashgadgets | i guess |
| 15:45.31 | JeffM2501 | sure it does, they overwrite each other |
| 15:45.40 | JeffM2501 | what package manager do you use? |
| 15:46.16 | ashgadgets | synaptic |
| 15:46.22 | JeffM2501 | what distro? |
| 15:46.23 | ashgadgets | ubuntu hardy |
| 15:46.42 | JeffM2501 | you didn't upbrade it to ibon or anything? |
| 15:47.09 | ashgadgets | no |
| 15:47.20 | ashgadgets | i didnt upgrade to iBex |
| 15:47.24 | JeffM2501 | personaly I don't trust the packages, I'd built it yourself |
| 15:47.29 | ashgadgets | i did |
| 15:47.37 | ashgadgets | i did make install :D |
| 15:47.43 | JeffM2501 | as root? |
| 15:48.21 | ashgadgets | yea |
| 15:48.40 | ashgadgets | i am root on my system |
| 15:48.45 | JeffM2501 | well build it with debug enabled and run it in gbd so you can actualy see where the setfault is' |
| 15:48.58 | ashgadgets | 2.0.12? |
| 15:49.08 | JeffM2501 | whatever version you want to run |
| 15:49.25 | ashgadgets | strace should say? |
| 15:49.32 | ashgadgets | the stuff? |
| 15:49.36 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 15:49.40 | JeffM2501 | I'm not a big linux user |
| 15:49.45 | ashgadgets | windows? |
| 15:49.53 | JeffM2501 | I just know that pastebin you had there just says that it segfaulted, not why |
| 15:49.57 | JeffM2501 | or where |
| 15:50.11 | ashgadgets | ok |
| 15:53.48 | ashgadgets | http://pastebin.com/m5787f9e0 |
| 15:54.39 | JeffM2501 | I have no idea what that means |
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| 15:55.28 | ashgadgets | no? |
| 15:55.44 | JeffM2501 | nothing there is obvious |
| 15:55.58 | JeffM2501 | what I'd like to see is the error in gdb |
| 15:56.03 | JeffM2501 | and the call stack |
| 15:57.09 | ashgadgets | how do i check that? |
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| 15:57.19 | JeffM2501 | run the server in gdb |
| 15:57.33 | ashgadgets | how do i do that? |
| 15:59.38 | JeffM2501 | IIC it's just gdb bzfs -options |
| 15:59.42 | JeffM2501 | but try this first |
| 15:59.48 | JeffM2501 | run bzfs with no config |
| 15:59.52 | JeffM2501 | does that crash? |
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| 16:24.25 | BulletCatcher | delusional: a comment in Player.cxx suggests that IDL == "interdimensional lights" |
| 16:24.26 | BulletCatcher | Gonna have to turn it off to see what the difference is. |
| 16:25.50 | delusional | i find that i lose the IDL shot effect if I use a downloaded image as LinkMaterial.. is that just me? |
| 16:26.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's what IDL means |
| 16:49.21 | ashgadgets | ~score |
| 16:49.21 | ibot | Your Personal Self-Government Score is 30%, Your Economic Self-Government Score is 20%. |
| 16:49.27 | ashgadgets | ~news |
| 16:50.31 | delusional | no news is good news. |
| 16:56.28 | *** part/#bzflag echelon (n=echelon@ool-182cc7a4.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 16:57.04 | BulletCatcher | What do I have to do to see the IDL effect? Is it for shots coming *out* of teleporter? |
| 17:08.42 | JeffM2501 | tanks coming out |
| 17:08.57 | JeffM2501 | park a tank 1/2 in a porter |
| 17:09.03 | JeffM2501 | and look at it from another tank |
| 17:09.24 | BulletCatcher | Is the the white glow? |
| 17:10.49 | BulletCatcher | hopes the coffee will kick in soon to improve his typing |
| 17:12.52 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:13.03 | JeffM2501 | it's the tanklike outline |
| 17:13.11 | JeffM2501 | shots have a round one too IIRC |
| 17:13.15 | JeffM2501 | but it's very fast |
| 17:13.28 | JeffM2501 | and I think that is drawn as a rico effct, not by the IDL object |
| 17:14.28 | BulletCatcher | Is that the same as when a tank with the OO flag is sticking partway out of a building? |
| 17:14.44 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:14.52 | JeffM2501 | those are both the IDL sceenenode |
| 17:15.13 | BulletCatcher | Okay, thanks. I'll do some more tests. |
| 17:15.29 | JeffM2501 | if he was talking about shots, that is a different sytem IIRC |
| 17:15.37 | JeffM2501 | I can look in a bit |
| 17:15.57 | JeffM2501 | is trying to figure out where to start packing |
| 17:33.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah shots got thru the effects renderr, StdShotTeleportEffect |
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| 17:44.12 | JeffM2501 | it cals StdShotTeleportEffect in SegmentedShotStrategy |
| 17:51.05 | MindstormsKid | is there and will there ever be a "shotsKeepHorizontalVelocity" variable? |
| 17:51.15 | JeffM2501 | they already do |
| 17:51.29 | JeffM2501 | the shot speed is added to your speed for X and Y |
| 17:51.33 | MindstormsKid | oh |
| 17:51.35 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 17:51.42 | JeffM2501 | if you turned that off, it woudl be bad |
| 17:51.54 | MindstormsKid | so they can curve...? |
| 17:51.55 | JeffM2501 | you could run over your own shot if the shot speed was slower then your own |
| 17:51.56 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:52.10 | JeffM2501 | that's angular momentum, not velocity |
| 17:52.18 | JeffM2501 | physics dosn't work that way |
| 17:52.30 | JeffM2501 | take a ball on a string, spin it around your head |
| 17:52.31 | MindstormsKid | oh yeah :P |
| 17:52.32 | JeffM2501 | let go |
| 17:52.35 | JeffM2501 | it won't curve |
| 17:52.41 | ashgadgets | physics lectures :D |
| 17:52.46 | JeffM2501 | it'll go in a vector tangent to the point of release |
| 17:52.51 | MindstormsKid | it won't..? O_o |
| 17:52.54 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:53.03 | BulletCatcher | The released ball will curve downward. :-) |
| 17:53.05 | JeffM2501 | good lord what are they teaching you in school |
| 17:53.09 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 17:53.15 | JeffM2501 | in 2d it won't curve |
| 17:53.30 | JeffM2501 | due to gravity |
| 17:53.42 | ashgadgets | bzf is completely Physics? |
| 17:53.49 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 17:54.12 | ashgadgets | due to gravity it doesnt curve? |
| 17:54.32 | JeffM2501 | in the real world it would curve down due to gravity |
| 17:54.38 | JeffM2501 | we don't apply gravity to shots |
| 17:55.09 | ashgadgets | ok |
| 17:55.16 | ashgadgets | yea |
| 17:55.26 | ashgadgets | the gravity pulls the bullet down |
| 17:55.34 | JeffM2501 | we do simple point vector math on the shots |
| 17:55.41 | ashgadgets | ok |
| 17:55.47 | JeffM2501 | we add the shots HV to the tanks HV and shoot it |
| 17:55.59 | ashgadgets | HV? Height vector? |
| 17:56.06 | JeffM2501 | if the vertical vel flag is on the shots D is the tanks D, if not it's 0 |
| 17:56.17 | ashgadgets | ah k |
| 17:56.17 | JeffM2501 | HVD are vector axes |
| 17:56.30 | ashgadgets | ok those 3d axes? |
| 17:56.34 | MindstormsKid | tests O_o |
| 17:56.48 | ashgadgets | jeff are you allowed to masterban? |
| 17:57.03 | JeffM2501 | MindstormsKid: any curve in a real world thing is due to an outside force/acceleration, i.e gravity or airflow |
| 17:57.13 | JeffM2501 | ashgadgets: techincaly |
| 17:57.27 | ashgadgets | jeff can you ban sk3letr0n? |
| 17:57.30 | ashgadgets | he is a cheat |
| 17:57.30 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:57.33 | JeffM2501 | we know |
| 17:57.35 | ashgadgets | well renowned |
| 17:57.44 | ashgadgets | then why not a ban? |
| 17:57.51 | JeffM2501 | because he's not on a staic IP |
| 17:57.56 | JeffM2501 | and it would do no good |
| 17:58.05 | ashgadgets | we could ban the subnet? |
| 17:58.15 | JeffM2501 | it woudl be all of sbc in CA |
| 17:58.16 | ashgadgets | 74.168.*.* |
| 17:58.16 | JeffM2501 | so no |
| 17:58.19 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:58.23 | JeffM2501 | that's not what masterban is for |
| 17:58.29 | JeffM2501 | it is not the solution to all problems. |
| 17:58.38 | JeffM2501 | and that one subnet isn't his only one |
| 17:58.47 | JeffM2501 | trust me, I've looked into it |
| 17:58.59 | ashgadgets | but then cheating is not the code that a honourable plays with |
| 17:59.09 | ashgadgets | you hv? |
| 17:59.13 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 17:59.20 | ashgadgets | he keeps IP shifting? |
| 17:59.23 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:59.40 | MindstormsKid | lol |
| 17:59.44 | ashgadgets | but then the system has say |
| 17:59.46 | JeffM2501 | no it's not lol MindstormsKid |
| 17:59.52 | ashgadgets | 208.67.*.* |
| 17:59.53 | MindstormsKid | ok >_> |
| 17:59.53 | JeffM2501 | ashgadgets: you are not making sense |
| 18:00.04 | JeffM2501 | masterban is not to ban large ranges |
| 18:00.09 | JeffM2501 | end of story |
| 18:00.17 | ashgadgets | it is to ban 1 range only? |
| 18:00.19 | JeffM2501 | it is not a cop system, talk to the local server owners |
| 18:00.19 | ashgadgets | ok |
| 18:01.17 | ashgadgets | end of story |
| 18:01.17 | JeffM2501 | it's not suposed to be used for ranges at all |
| 18:01.17 | JeffM2501 | I should have never even writen masterban |
| 18:01.17 | JeffM2501 | it was a bad idea |
| 18:01.17 | ashgadgets | k |
| 18:01.17 | ashgadgets | :) |
| 18:01.17 | JeffM2501 | organising a community based server management system would have been the way to go, and detach it from the project. |
| 18:01.50 | ashgadgets | yea i suppose |
| 18:02.12 | BulletCatcher | Is it time to empty the masterban list and remove support for it in trunk? |
| 18:02.12 | brlcad | MindstormsKid: please be more careful to accuse others of cheating and request they be banned, i.e. don't do it |
| 18:02.40 | JeffM2501 | BulletCatcher: not yet, but maybe after we have more tools to help server force registration |
| 18:02.45 | BulletCatcher | k |
| 18:03.00 | JeffM2501 | once the game can realy help people get registered, then it will be less of a need |
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| 18:03.30 | JeffM2501 | the masterban list isn't TOTALY inefective |
| 18:03.54 | JeffM2501 | it just has some sticky bits that are not good |
| 18:03.56 | MindstormsKid | brlcad: what..? |
| 18:04.00 | JeffM2501 | from a social standpoint |
| 18:04.11 | BulletCatcher | Banning *.*.*.* would make it totally effective. :-) |
| 18:04.19 | JeffM2501 | no it woudln't |
| 18:04.26 | JeffM2501 | not everyone uses the MBL :) |
| 18:05.04 | BulletCatcher | resolves to refrain from valspeak in the future |
| 18:05.08 | ashgadgets | so the mbl will go soon? |
| 18:05.11 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:05.32 | JeffM2501 | as I said, not untill we have other featuers that can help |
| 18:06.23 | ashgadgets | who is this christopherreeveswheelchairguy? |
| 18:06.28 | JeffM2501 | a person |
| 18:06.34 | JeffM2501 | of no conciqence |
| 18:06.42 | JeffM2501 | why are you so interested in cheaters? |
| 18:06.56 | ashgadgets | i heard of him at gu league practice servers |
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| 18:07.05 | ashgadgets | & i want to eradicate all cheaters :D |
| 18:07.11 | JeffM2501 | you can't |
| 18:07.28 | ashgadgets | i cant? why? are there too many? |
| 18:07.40 | JeffM2501 | there is no way to eleminate all possible cheats |
| 18:07.55 | JeffM2501 | you can only minimise what they can do so the benifits are not worth the effort |
| 18:08.04 | JeffM2501 | but it is folly to think you can get rid of them all |
| 18:08.14 | JeffM2501 | and a waste of time to try |
| 18:09.44 | ashgadgets | k guys |
| 18:09.46 | ashgadgets | good night |
| 18:17.46 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 18:17.53 | MindstormsKid | oops >_> |
| 18:20.12 | JeffM2501 | BulletCatcher: I can't see how ,in the code, the link material affects the shot IDL, it' always asks for "dusty_flare" |
| 18:20.19 | JeffM2501 | it must be a local GL issue |
| 18:20.25 | JeffM2501 | maybe he's running out of texture ram |
| 18:21.26 | BulletCatcher | branch or trunk? I'm not sure which delusional was referring to, either. |
| 18:22.00 | JeffM2501 | I don't care about branch |
| 18:22.05 | JeffM2501 | noone should care about branch |
| 18:22.25 | delusional | my image cache size is set to 1024 MB |
| 18:22.32 | JeffM2501 | that's not texture memory |
| 18:22.37 | JeffM2501 | what card do you have? |
| 18:22.52 | delusional | It's a very early intel mac... |
| 18:23.02 | delusional | i can never remember... |
| 18:23.05 | JeffM2501 | probably with not much memory asigned to video |
| 18:23.18 | JeffM2501 | or does it have an onboard ATI card? |
| 18:24.05 | delusional | ATY,RadeonX1600 |
| 18:24.13 | JeffM2501 | that shuld have enough |
| 18:24.25 | JeffM2501 | what IDL are you talking about? the tank IDL or the shot effect? |
| 18:24.57 | delusional | i just asked a little trivia question about "what's IDL" |
| 18:25.12 | delusional | reading up, that was just before you signed on |
| 18:25.15 | JeffM2501 | then you made the statement about when you have a downloaed link material |
| 18:25.21 | JeffM2501 | that is what I am concerned about |
| 18:29.14 | delusional | tell ya what,, i'll do a thorough test, to see if it's my settings.... I've had a weird permissions bug with the file config.cfg becoming locked, since I upgraded to OSX 10.5. |
| 18:29.43 | delusional | i got something else i want to link you to, almost ready. |
| 18:29.56 | MindstormsKid | would reinstalling clear my settings? |
| 18:30.41 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:30.42 | delusional | ... but temp_dist did confirm my early findings. |
| 18:30.50 | JeffM2501 | the install has nothing to do with the config |
| 18:31.20 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 18:31.46 | MindstormsKid | good, i've been having trouble with my client :( |
| 18:31.59 | MindstormsKid | reinstall |
| 18:32.01 | MindstormsKid | s |
| 18:32.01 | JeffM2501 | what did you change most recently |
| 18:32.13 | JeffM2501 | in general installing again dosn't fix anything |
| 18:32.21 | MindstormsKid | hmm |
| 18:32.22 | JeffM2501 | as the applicaton itself dosn't ever modify itself |
| 18:32.28 | JeffM2501 | what problem are you having? |
| 18:32.59 | MindstormsKid | well, on one map some of the textures only show at high and experimental quality |
| 18:33.28 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you on? |
| 18:33.38 | MindstormsKid | Windows XP |
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| 18:34.18 | JeffM2501 | what card? |
| 18:34.46 | MindstormsKid | erm |
| 18:34.51 | MindstormsKid | has no idea |
| 18:35.26 | MindstormsKid | video card? |
| 18:35.40 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:36.12 | MindstormsKid | how would i check? i'm on a laptop |
| 18:36.28 | JeffM2501 | right click on the desktop |
| 18:36.31 | JeffM2501 | hit properties |
| 18:36.46 | JeffM2501 | and the last tab should tell you your card |
| 18:37.12 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 18:37.24 | delusional | jeff, could it be tele thickness that affects IDL? |
| 18:37.40 | JeffM2501 | delusional: on the shots or the tank? |
| 18:37.46 | MindstormsKid | NIVIDIA Quadro FX 360M |
| 18:37.57 | JeffM2501 | MindstormsKid: quadros suck for games |
| 18:38.03 | JeffM2501 | make sure you have current drivers |
| 18:38.05 | JeffM2501 | and pray |
| 18:38.20 | delusional | on the teleporter shot effect.. . |
| 18:38.29 | delusional | the hole |
| 18:38.41 | MindstormsKid | well, see, the textures aren't appearing on just /one/ thing |
| 18:38.50 | JeffM2501 | no the shot effect should not matter |
| 18:38.57 | JeffM2501 | tho if it's too far it may be behind it |
| 18:39.00 | MindstormsKid | (on medium and low) |
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| 18:39.18 | MindstormsKid | but it works fine on high and experimental |
| 18:39.22 | JeffM2501 | MindstormsKid: basicly that card isn't 100% openGL compliant |
| 18:39.30 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 18:39.30 | JeffM2501 | so it may behave oddly in some cases |
| 18:39.33 | JeffM2501 | we see it at work all the time |
| 18:39.44 | JeffM2501 | the drivers are optimised for specific things |
| 18:39.48 | JeffM2501 | games are not one of them |
| 18:39.59 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 18:40.44 | JeffM2501 | delusional: it's possible that we use the teleporter postion, not where the shot comes out of the field, so the effect may be behind the field |
| 18:41.02 | JeffM2501 | since we use the shot segment pos, not the porter pos |
| 18:41.10 | JeffM2501 | I'll see if I can offset it by the thickness |
| 18:41.15 | delusional | I'll do some experiments. |
| 18:42.00 | delusional | jeff, this could be a local bug by me, don't waste time on it. |
| 18:42.08 | JeffM2501 | it may not be |
| 18:42.12 | JeffM2501 | I think I see the problem now |
| 18:42.26 | JeffM2501 | the shot actualy starts at the centerline of the porter |
| 18:45.50 | delusional | I have always used a tele thickness of 0.125 |
| 18:47.09 | SpazzyMcGee | That's always seemed to me to be a very arbitrary number |
| 18:47.25 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 18:47.31 | SpazzyMcGee | I've just always used it because it used to say somewhere in the docs |
| 18:47.40 | JeffM2501 | in general it just looks good |
| 18:47.43 | delusional | i got it from JPA's maps, i figured that was a good source. |
| 18:49.15 | SpazzyMcGee | It used to say on the big map making wiki page |
| 18:49.19 | SpazzyMcGee | (on the old wiki) |
| 18:50.46 | SpazzyMcGee | I believe it's just got to be >0 |
| 18:50.55 | JeffM2501 | 0 should work too |
| 18:51.45 | SpazzyMcGee | From the wiki: Teleporters are entered through X. As such, it is recommended to keep X fairly small (.125 works well). However, if X is zero, it will cause BZFlag bugs." |
| 18:52.07 | JeffM2501 | if there are still bugs with that then it should be reported |
| 18:52.11 | JeffM2501 | negitive makes no sense |
| 18:52.15 | JeffM2501 | but 0 does |
| 18:52.46 | SpazzyMcGee | -ve will just act the same as +ve, surely? |
| 18:53.18 | SpazzyMcGee | The middle section of the teleporter will move away from the border?? |
| 18:53.54 | JeffM2501 | I'm not sure how the math is writen |
| 18:54.08 | delusional | I want to submit this for your approval, as soon as I post. http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=130506#130506 |
| 18:54.57 | delusional | i want to make a wiki page, but want to get the details correct. please correct me. |
| 18:56.03 | JeffM2501 | our wiki realy only should have info on #3 |
| 18:56.07 | JeffM2501 | as that is the offical way |
| 18:56.13 | delusional | it does |
| 18:56.26 | JeffM2501 | then what else do we need |
| 18:57.00 | JeffM2501 | the rest of that post is somewhat hapazard |
| 18:57.05 | JeffM2501 | and random |
| 18:57.21 | delusional | yeah.. it's like, even if i did make the page, where would it go? it links to several other areas |
| 18:57.37 | JeffM2501 | it's not realy a method that we want to encourage |
| 18:57.47 | JeffM2501 | this seems like something more for your fourms not ours |
| 18:59.00 | JeffM2501 | the very fact that you have edit your access file BEFORE using the image submiter shows your motives |
| 18:59.11 | delusional | i could take out the image and supply the file locations without it. |
| 18:59.35 | JeffM2501 | editing that file isn't realy the way we want to go |
| 18:59.36 | delusional | jeff, we have a hard time testing maps, and waiting for approval |
| 18:59.43 | JeffM2501 | your server is the only one that realy has that issue |
| 18:59.58 | JeffM2501 | then get THAT problem solved, not working around it |
| 19:00.07 | JeffM2501 | the first thing you should tell them to do is submit them |
| 19:00.17 | JeffM2501 | then tell them how to use the local paths untill it's approved |
| 19:00.30 | JeffM2501 | not provide advertising to get people to add your access list |
| 19:00.30 | delusional | our issue has other issues, not discussed there. |
| 19:00.47 | JeffM2501 | and what the heck is #5 doing there? |
| 19:00.57 | JeffM2501 | has nothing to do with image uploads |
| 19:01.06 | delusional | i was gonna try to explain texture matrices |
| 19:01.25 | delusional | that's always their next question |
| 19:01.30 | JeffM2501 | what does that have to do with image downloads? |
| 19:01.35 | JeffM2501 | then make a new post |
| 19:01.49 | delusional | ok, i'll take out the image amd #5 |
| 19:02.01 | JeffM2501 | and your first line, what does ANY Of that have to do with law? |
| 19:02.32 | SpazzyMcGee | You could just mention it in passing on the page about image submissions - "If you wish, you can host images on any web server - however these cannot be shown on the default client without modifying their download access file" |
| 19:02.33 | delusional | there are legal issues. I have to say something about it. |
| 19:02.35 | JeffM2501 | it really does seem like a shameless advertising thing |
| 19:02.50 | JeffM2501 | no you don't you can just point to our EXISTING threads on the image sumbiter |
| 19:03.25 | JeffM2501 | I've moved it to the mofo sub fourm as it seems to be mostly about your server right now |
| 19:03.39 | delusional | alright |
| 19:03.48 | JeffM2501 | if you want to make something more general, then I'd start with a wiki page that is VERY general then just link to it in the boards |
| 19:03.50 | SpazzyMcGee | If you're trying to make the wiki a full documentation of the game, it would make sense to have something about how the download access works. |
| 19:04.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah you can make a page about download access |
| 19:04.03 | JeffM2501 | that's fine |
| 19:04.07 | JeffM2501 | that is descriptive |
| 19:04.21 | JeffM2501 | but if you are telling people how to get images to work, then you start with the image uploader |
| 19:04.26 | delusional | i find that I can't write in that style. |
| 19:04.28 | JeffM2501 | and then go onto the less desirable solutions |
| 19:04.35 | JeffM2501 | such as if time is a factor |
| 19:05.01 | JeffM2501 | that thread rises more questions then it answers |
| 19:05.29 | delusional | I know jeff, i had a hard time with it. |
| 19:05.44 | delusional | consider it a rough draft |
| 19:05.46 | JeffM2501 | then maybe you arn't the best person to write it, never hurts to ask for help on it :) |
| 19:06.05 | JeffM2501 | are the current docs for the image submter not enough? |
| 19:06.11 | delusional | yes |
| 19:06.13 | JeffM2501 | or are they simply in a place that is hard to find |
| 19:06.20 | JeffM2501 | ok, then how about we try to expand those first |
| 19:06.25 | delusional | they're in the wrong plac on the forum too. |
| 19:06.25 | JeffM2501 | rather then replace them |
| 19:06.32 | JeffM2501 | ok where do you think they should be? |
| 19:06.36 | delusional | they're in announcements, i think |
| 19:06.49 | delusional | should be some reference to it in mapmaking section |
| 19:07.25 | delusional | I do get asked a lot about this. |
| 19:07.33 | JeffM2501 | that I do not doubt |
| 19:07.49 | JeffM2501 | I am simply questioning your methods at how you chose to solve the problem :) |
| 19:08.05 | delusional | i knew you would.. thats why i said... |
| 19:08.23 | JeffM2501 | I'm looking for that thread now |
| 19:08.29 | JeffM2501 | I'll glady move it and we can expand it |
| 19:08.43 | delusional | yeah.. you go to look for it, and can't even find it. |
| 19:09.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's an older thread |
| 19:09.15 | JeffM2501 | from before we redid it all |
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| 19:22.58 | JeffM2501 | there you go, a 9 step post on how to submit images :) |
| 19:27.33 | delusional | can i mention the other ways? |
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| 19:27.51 | JeffM2501 | what did you want to mention? |
| 19:27.51 | delusional | data folder... other hosts |
| 19:28.01 | JeffM2501 | I guess you didn't read the post |
| 19:28.03 | JeffM2501 | oh well |
| 19:28.07 | JeffM2501 | I mention the data folder |
| 19:28.10 | JeffM2501 | at the end |
| 19:28.24 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather not talk about the access file |
| 19:28.30 | JeffM2501 | since I want to automate it |
| 19:29.05 | delusional | l4m3r was talking about maybe helping with that. |
| 19:29.17 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 19:29.22 | JeffM2501 | it should not be too hard to do |
| 19:29.27 | JeffM2501 | just a hook and a message |
| 19:29.35 | L4m3r | depends on when we release |
| 19:29.41 | JeffM2501 | then let it automatilcy add the host to the file if we can |
| 19:29.44 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r: no it dosn't |
| 19:29.45 | L4m3r | I'm really strapped for time this quarter |
| 19:29.52 | JeffM2501 | I'd like it now |
| 19:29.55 | L4m3r | (as far as me helping) |
| 19:29.56 | JeffM2501 | if we can get it |
| 19:30.02 | JeffM2501 | but if you can't do it now you can't |
| 19:30.13 | JeffM2501 | if it gets done before you can, then it gets done :) |
| 19:30.23 | L4m3r | heh :) |
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| 20:00.05 | AAA_awright | JeffM2501: In Trunk, I get a "debug assertion failed" on MSVC, line 1566 file .\xstring, debugging it breaks at flag.cxx line 271 (I think) |
| 20:00.21 | AAA_awright | for the BZFlag client |
| 20:00.28 | AAA_awright | brb |
| 20:09.48 | JeffM2501 | whoever converted the flagabrev to a std string did it wrong |
| 20:12.58 | brlcad | that's not really constructive or remotely helpful to whatever the problem is |
| 20:13.04 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 20:13.06 | JeffM2501 | I'm still fixing it |
| 20:13.12 | JeffM2501 | I got inturupted |
| 20:13.22 | JeffM2501 | basicly there are 2 more places that assume the str has len |
| 20:13.31 | JeffM2501 | and it may not if it's the null flag |
| 20:13.39 | JeffM2501 | the roomies are leaving and had to tell me stuff ;) |
| 20:13.50 | brlcad | roomies? |
| 20:13.56 | JeffM2501 | people I live with now |
| 20:14.01 | JeffM2501 | for the next 7 days at least |
| 20:14.04 | brlcad | ah |
| 20:14.14 | JeffM2501 | the ones that had a baby |
| 20:15.07 | JeffM2501 | the abrev for the NULL flag is actualy /0 /0 |
| 20:15.25 | JeffM2501 | when that is set into the std::string now It looks like it only does it as /0 |
| 20:15.31 | JeffM2501 | so abrev[1] fails |
| 20:15.44 | JeffM2501 | I'm having it pack 0 0 if the len is not > 1 |
| 20:17.10 | brlcad | ah, yeah, that makes sense .. wasn't obvious that the double-null was important |
| 20:17.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:17.20 | JeffM2501 | it's wierd :) |
| 20:17.31 | JeffM2501 | I'm building my fix now |
| 20:17.40 | JeffM2501 | and packing :) |
| 20:18.59 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18880 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/Flag.cxx: pack double 0 for the Null flag, the std::string dosn't seem to get the /0/0 from the flag constructor. |
| 20:19.07 | JeffM2501 | that will also protect against people that make custom flags with just one letter |
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| 20:19.57 | JeffM2501 | AAA_awright: should be fixed now |
| 20:20.19 | AAA_awright | JeffM: Thanks, I'll try that |
| 20:25.47 | AAA_awright | That works |
| 20:25.51 | AAA_awright | Thanks |
| 20:27.23 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18881 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/Flag.cxx: add a handful of doxygen comments on what is what |
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| 20:32.53 | AAA_awright | What function draws the mouse box? |
| 20:34.53 | JeffM2501 | renderBox IIRC |
| 20:35.17 | AAA_awright | That is what it sounds like |
| 20:35.35 | JeffM2501 | the box is actualy drawn with glOutlineBoxCP |
| 20:35.54 | dexter- | hiya |
| 20:36.00 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 20:36.03 | dexter- | :) |
| 20:36.51 | Winny | JeffM2501: when are the shirts going to start shipping? |
| 20:36.58 | JeffM2501 | when I get them |
| 20:37.03 | Winny | ah |
| 20:37.21 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18882 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/Flag.cxx: actually, NullString shouldn't be necessary at all any more then. pack flags that have only one character (e.g. O) too. |
| 20:37.27 | JeffM2501 | they may come in next week |
| 20:37.57 | brlcad | JeffM2501: just to make sure that's right .. the >1's you had .. |
| 20:38.10 | brlcad | that'll only pack two-char flags if I read it right |
| 20:38.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:38.18 | brlcad | so dropped it to > 0 |
| 20:38.23 | JeffM2501 | do we have one char flags? |
| 20:38.25 | brlcad | yep |
| 20:38.27 | JeffM2501 | and pack the null? |
| 20:39.07 | JeffM2501 | will std::string[size()] always return a NULL? |
| 20:39.13 | JeffM2501 | in every implementation? |
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| 20:39.53 | brlcad | iirc, the bracket operators are defined to perform no bounds checking |
| 20:40.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah but my question is, does the string inside HAVE to store a null in the last slot? |
| 20:40.35 | JeffM2501 | or can it just add that when it does c_str |
| 20:41.21 | JeffM2501 | has a better way to do it |
| 20:42.13 | brlcad | could always just ask for the c-string to be sure |
| 20:42.23 | JeffM2501 | naw I have a better way |
| 20:43.16 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18883 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/Flag.cxx: support one and two byte flags |
| 20:43.19 | JeffM2501 | there |
| 20:44.53 | brlcad | hrm, how does it know to unpack one or two bytes? |
| 20:45.01 | brlcad | that should break unpack |
| 20:45.02 | JeffM2501 | you always unpack 2 |
| 20:45.11 | JeffM2501 | cus it always packs 2 |
| 20:45.15 | JeffM2501 | they just may be 0 |
| 20:45.19 | brlcad | ah, I missed that in the patch |
| 20:45.50 | JeffM2501 | unpack goes into it's own temp static aray |
| 20:45.57 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:53.32 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18884 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/Flag.cxx: call pack() so the logic isn't duplicated |
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| 20:58.29 | BulletCatcher | Shouldn't buf[] in size_t FlagType::pack() be an unsigned char? |
| 20:59.13 | brlcad | sure |
| 21:00.09 | brlcad | won't change the size so it doesn't matter, but it should match to avoid confusion |
| 21:00.20 | brlcad | and keep whiny compilers happy |
| 21:00.47 | BulletCatcher | was anticipating compiler whines |
| 21:02.05 | brlcad | actually shouldn't cause a warning either -- the size doesn't affect typing |
| 21:02.39 | brlcad | could have just as well said char *buf[sizeof(StateDatabase)*2] = {0, 0}; |
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| 21:07.22 | cabrini | wow popular channel |
| 21:07.26 | cabrini | can I have a cloak please? |
| 21:12.05 | me1 | thinks JeffM2501 can help you with that, if he's here. |
| 21:17.21 | JeffM2501 | what's your bzbb name cabrini ? |
| 21:17.43 | cabrini | cabrini |
| 21:18.04 | cabrini | wait bzbb? |
| 21:18.09 | cabrini | I'm not registered anywhere |
| 21:18.22 | JeffM2501 | do you play bzflag? |
| 21:18.27 | cabrini | I used to |
| 21:18.37 | cabrini | I used to write mods for it |
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| 21:18.45 | JeffM2501 | mods? |
| 21:18.53 | cabrini | modifications |
| 21:18.55 | cabrini | patches |
| 21:19.07 | JeffM2501 | but you never registered on ther boards? |
| 21:19.26 | cabrini | I didn't distribute them |
| 21:19.34 | cabrini | beyond my friend |
| 21:19.35 | JeffM2501 | what kind of "mods"? |
| 21:19.47 | cabrini | AI stuff |
| 21:19.52 | cabrini | and extra displays |
| 21:20.10 | JeffM2501 | our policy is that a cloak user has to have a bzbb name with a consitent callsign for 6 months |
| 21:20.20 | JeffM2501 | did you submit any to sourceforge |
| 21:20.49 | cabrini | no |
| 21:20.55 | cabrini | the cloak isn't that important |
| 21:21.01 | cabrini | I just remember bzflag fondly |
| 21:21.08 | cabrini | thought it would be cool |
| 21:21.48 | JeffM2501 | just seems odd that a name I've never seen before comes in, says it's a popular channel with out seeing any chat, and asks for a cloak, if you can see it from my point of view ;) |
| 21:22.13 | cabrini | 76 people |
| 21:22.28 | JeffM2501 | who hadn't said a thing |
| 21:22.30 | cabrini | saw someone else with a cloak and I was reminded |
| 21:22.49 | cabrini | so? Usually when I try to find a freenode channel it has 4 people or just chanserv |
| 21:22.53 | JeffM2501 | the cloaks are relitively new :) |
| 21:23.49 | cabrini | can you still compile bzflag on windows and then play online with it? |
| 21:23.59 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:24.18 | JeffM2501 | woudn't be open source if we changed that |
| 21:24.54 | cabrini | I mean play online on standard servers |
| 21:24.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:25.23 | JeffM2501 | if the bins we distributed were different then the sources it would be a license violation |
| 21:26.00 | AAA_awright | ~bzpaste |
| 21:26.09 | AAA_awright | ~pastebin |
| 21:26.10 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 21:26.17 | AAA_awright | hm |
| 21:26.19 | JeffM2501 | pastebin.bzflag.bz |
| 21:26.24 | JeffM2501 | it's not that hard to remember ;) |
| 21:27.21 | AAA_awright | .bz |
| 21:27.24 | AAA_awright | Meh |
| 21:27.32 | AAA_awright | JeffM2501: Please try out this patch http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/1242631 |
| 21:27.40 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r18885 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/Flag.cxx: Simplify definition of temp buffer and use consistent type. |
| 21:27.44 | JeffM2501 | what does it do? |
| 21:28.45 | AAA_awright | JeffM2501: It changes how the shot reload is displayed. It should be able to show hundreds of shots easily |
| 21:28.52 | JeffM2501 | how does it change it? |
| 21:29.15 | AAA_awright | It uses a single progress indicator with multiple ticks that fall down to the bottom while a shot is realoading |
| 21:29.29 | AAA_awright | A bin at the bottom collects the shots ready to fire |
| 21:29.41 | AAA_awright | It is pretty cool I think |
| 21:29.58 | AAA_awright | Much easier to read while playing imo too |
| 21:30.10 | JeffM2501 | is that how reloads work? each shot has it's own timer, and based on your times between shots it may not be as simple as that? |
| 21:30.41 | JeffM2501 | can you show us a screenshot? |
| 21:30.57 | cabrini | last windows bzflag release was November 15, 2007? |
| 21:31.11 | JeffM2501 | cabrini: yep 2.0.10 |
| 21:31.20 | JeffM2501 | .12 was only to fix a nix build issue |
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| 21:34.13 | JeffM2501 | AAA_awright: that is nearly invisible on a light background |
| 21:34.24 | AAA_awright | JeffM2501: I'll try to get a screenshot, but you have to see it working to completely understand... |
| 21:34.35 | AAA_awright | JeffM2501: Yeah, Maybe add a faded background |
| 21:34.42 | JeffM2501 | I have it working, I don't like it |
| 21:34.52 | JeffM2501 | I see what you are trying to do, but it dosn't say "reaload" to me |
| 21:35.02 | JeffM2501 | it's too thin and too arbitary |
| 21:35.09 | JeffM2501 | it actualy looks more like a height indicator to me |
| 21:35.17 | JeffM2501 | it's also WAY too big |
| 21:36.01 | JPT | wants to see a screenshot |
| 21:36.05 | AAA_awright | Of course it isn't perfect yet, but it could work out better |
| 21:36.13 | AAA_awright | I'll get a screenshot real soon now |
| 21:36.20 | JeffM2501 | there is no clear indication of how many shots are left ether |
| 21:36.24 | JeffM2501 | just a bar that gets smaller |
| 21:36.45 | TD-Linux | AAA_awright, is this supposed to fix the reload indicator blocking the visibility of shots? |
| 21:37.04 | JPT | hmm.. you could just display the number of shots like it is done in several ego shooter games... (15/100) |
| 21:37.22 | JeffM2501 | AAA_awright: did you see my mock up for one? |
| 21:37.27 | TD-Linux | I like the shots indicator like it is :( |
| 21:37.28 | AAA_awright | JeffM2501: No |
| 21:37.39 | JeffM2501 | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/bz/hudchanges%20copy.png |
| 21:37.47 | JeffM2501 | mine is a small variation of it |
| 21:37.54 | JeffM2501 | it only shows the ones that are reloading now |
| 21:38.02 | JeffM2501 | and then a numeric count of how many you have |
| 21:38.13 | JeffM2501 | so it too can show 100's of em, in a small space |
| 21:38.25 | JPT | that's nice |
| 21:39.27 | TD-Linux | if you draw a box around it, how about making the box the size it would need to hold all the shots (with an upper limit of course) ? |
| 21:39.49 | TD-Linux | and then center the reloading shots in that box |
| 21:40.05 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux: that was what I was thinking, that box could expand if needed |
| 21:40.11 | JeffM2501 | it was just a roughcut |
| 21:40.19 | TD-Linux | but it wouldn't expand during gameplay |
| 21:40.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah, just based on the shot limit |
| 21:40.33 | TD-Linux | also, I think most of the complains are solved just by moving it off the horizon |
| 21:40.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's why I had it down there |
| 21:40.56 | JeffM2501 | generaly the lower 1/2 of the screen is darker then the upper |
| 21:41.01 | JeffM2501 | grass, buildings etc.. |
| 21:41.37 | TD-Linux | that reminds me: should BZFlag support negative altitudes? |
| 21:41.44 | TD-Linux | maybe just for display? |
| 21:41.46 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:41.53 | JeffM2501 | the engine only supports them for burrow |
| 21:41.59 | JeffM2501 | and it's a very specialised hack |
| 21:42.05 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 21:42.21 | JeffM2501 | we do some depth buffer chezze that prevents stuff from being drawn right if its "underground" |
| 21:42.43 | JeffM2501 | basicly the camera REALY needs to be above z 0 |
| 21:45.03 | AAA_awright | JPT TD-Linux http://bzfx.net/bzfi0167.png |
| 21:45.25 | TD-Linux | AAA_awright: huhwhat? that confuses me |
| 21:45.37 | AAA_awright | Yeah, you have to see it moving in action |
| 21:45.45 | JeffM2501 | even then it is confusing |
| 21:45.55 | JeffM2501 | the green lines fall like matrix rain |
| 21:46.05 | JeffM2501 | and the lower white bar gets smaller with each shot |
| 21:46.14 | TD-Linux | what are the green lines? |
| 21:46.15 | me1 | so the green lines fall to the bottom, and when they are at the bottom its reloaded? |
| 21:46.18 | AAA_awright | A shot reloading |
| 21:46.41 | TD-Linux | so it's like a 1d radar of shots? |
| 21:46.42 | AAA_awright | Once it hits the bottom and becomes white it is reloaded. You can make them bigger, I have it set to 1 pixel though |
| 21:46.45 | AAA_awright | Yeah |
| 21:46.52 | AAA_awright | tries 3 pixels |
| 21:46.54 | TD-Linux | very hard to tell how many shots you have left, then |
| 21:47.06 | JeffM2501 | with out a line between them it won't be clear |
| 21:47.20 | JeffM2501 | try 3 pixels per, but make the bottom pixel be darker |
| 21:47.34 | JeffM2501 | then they don't mush together at the end |
| 21:47.57 | TD-Linux | oh I see, the white bar servers that purpose |
| 21:48.00 | AAA_awright | TD-Linux: You can't tell at a glance before either, and I originally planned on putting a number below the indicator |
| 21:48.18 | JeffM2501 | sure you can, there are 5 boxes |
| 21:48.20 | AAA_awright | Yeah, the white bar serves the purpose of shots ready to fire |
| 21:48.22 | JeffM2501 | 2 are white |
| 21:48.25 | JeffM2501 | I have 2 shots left |
| 21:48.27 | JeffM2501 | easy |
| 21:48.46 | JeffM2501 | you have no clear delimination |
| 21:48.51 | TD-Linux | another way to think of AAA's is all the previous shot indicators upended and overlaid on top of each other |
| 21:48.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:49.04 | JeffM2501 | taking up lots of room |
| 21:49.06 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 21:49.13 | AAA_awright | JeffM2501: Maybe have the indicator vary in height based on max shots. A server with <5 would be maybe 5 pixels high, a server with 20 maybe 2px, and >50 1px |
| 21:49.22 | AAA_awright | Something like that |
| 21:49.48 | JeffM2501 | AAA_awright: depends on the screen size too ;) |
| 21:49.58 | AAA_awright | Yeah |
| 21:50.06 | TD-Linux | height would be set in percentage of screen height |
| 21:51.34 | JeffM2501 | goes to buy boxes |
| 21:53.04 | AAA_awright | Yeah, 5px is much more readable, 2 still works for servers with lots of max shots |
| 21:53.58 | TD-Linux | mails JeffM2501 empty boxes |
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| 22:43.56 | Gabe_G23 | Hi Cruel_dog |
| 22:44.10 | Cruel_dog | hi |
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| 22:54.47 | AAA_awright | TD-Linux JeffM2501: Does this look better? file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/awright/My%20Documents/my%20bzflag%20files/screenshots/bzfi0168.png |
| 22:54.48 | AAA_awright | er |
| 22:55.13 | AAA_awright | http://bzfx.net/bzfi0168.png |
| 22:56.27 | TD-Linux | maybe |
| 22:56.36 | TD-Linux | the leading line is rather indistinguishable |
| 22:57.03 | TD-Linux | imho: I still hate it |
| 22:57.09 | TD-Linux | maybe it can be a GUI option? |
| 22:57.24 | AAA_awright | Not that much code was changed around, probably |
| 22:57.40 | AAA_awright | What is there to hate about it? |
| 22:57.41 | TD-Linux | I can see how some people would like it |
| 22:57.53 | TD-Linux | it's slower to read for me |
| 22:58.19 | TD-Linux | I don't like how the information is sorted |
| 22:58.22 | AAA_awright | It lays all the progress bars on top of each other, it is much faster for me |
| 22:58.44 | TD-Linux | I suppose the only way to really tell would be to play with it |
| 22:59.11 | AAA_awright | there are really two progress bars there, one counting the number of shots and one counting the time to reload for each shot, they are just stacked back to back |
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| 23:02.37 | AAA_awright | TD-Linux: You have to play with it, it is pretty neat |
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| 23:08.56 | JeffM2501 | AAA_awright: not really, it dosn't look clean |
| 23:09.00 | JeffM2501 | it's very arbitary |
| 23:09.07 | AAA_awright | What is "clean"? |
| 23:09.57 | AAA_awright | Here is the patch for that btw http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/1242698 |
| 23:11.00 | AAA_awright | It looks "clean"er then the previous one bar per shot system imo. |
| 23:11.48 | AAA_awright | There is still some minor things to change to improve readability, but that is most all of what I have been thinking of as an improvement to the shot system |
| 23:11.56 | AAA_awright | bbl |
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| 23:59.03 | JeffM2501 | ok, so can everyone in this channel do me a favor? |
| 23:59.43 | dexter- | dexter@paypal.com |
| 23:59.48 | dexter- | What's up? ;) |
| 23:59.52 | JeffM2501 | sometime after november 8th, I'll be wondering where I put all the pins for my bookshelves, tell me. "in the turtle" |
