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| 00:18.05 | echelon | wtf, i was banned from bzfx.net for "subtle cheats" |
| 00:18.09 | echelon | i never cheat |
| 00:18.25 | echelon | who is Lady K? |
| 00:18.27 | me1 | echelon, you might be under a hostban |
| 00:18.36 | me1 | ask a_meteorite for whitelisting |
| 00:19.24 | temp_dist | and a hairbrush |
| 00:30.33 | JeffM | explains custom flags and shot types to the bzbbers |
| 00:32.46 | joevano | thatnks Jeff, I couldn't do it justice |
| 00:32.54 | joevano | thanks even* |
| 00:33.17 | JeffM | yeah it's a little limiting in implementation now |
| 00:33.40 | JeffM | the only real dynamic thing you can do is make people be able to move or not move |
| 00:33.44 | JeffM | or shoot or not shoot |
| 00:34.04 | JeffM | or track em when they hit a driver |
| 00:34.16 | JeffM | so you could do capture type things |
| 00:35.07 | JeffM | I did forget to mention that the ability to lock a gm onto something is tied to the flag not the shot :( |
| 00:35.29 | JeffM | so if you set the shot type of ST to GM you don't get to lockon |
| 00:36.58 | JeffM | what does everyone think about having a "whats new" file in the source tree? |
| 00:37.04 | JeffM | or a section in the main readme |
| 00:37.19 | JeffM | and we put the ramifications of major changes in there |
| 00:37.25 | JeffM | like the fact that 3.0 always has -a |
| 00:38.16 | me1 | what happened to a changelog? |
| 00:38.21 | JeffM | nothing |
| 00:38.26 | JeffM | but it's more of just a list of changes |
| 00:38.34 | JeffM | not a "real world" description of the effects |
| 00:38.48 | me1 | ah |
| 00:39.04 | JeffM | I'm thinking more of a "hey server owners, take note here, this is important" kind of note |
| 00:39.11 | JeffM | rather then just a line item in a list of changes. |
| 00:39.28 | JeffM | the changelog read like "seperated shots from flags" |
| 00:40.00 | JeffM | where the whats new would say "hey you can use plugins to change the shot type on any tank regardless of flag, see this part in the API doc...) |
| 00:40.41 | JeffM | the changelog is just that, a log of changes, not nesisiarly initro docs on new features. |
| 00:40.46 | JeffM | intro |
| 00:40.54 | Erroneous | NEWS is for user visible changes |
| 00:40.58 | JeffM | ok |
| 00:41.08 | JeffM | then I think we shoudl make more use of it |
| 00:41.32 | JeffM | right now it has basicly just a changelog |
| 00:41.53 | Erroneous | yeah, they haven't diverged as much as they ought to |
| 00:42.00 | JeffM | indeed |
| 00:42.16 | Erroneous | it will happen over time |
| 00:42.33 | JeffM | like the current top line says "* Allow per-locale default and user-specified fonts - Daniel Remenak" |
| 00:42.53 | JeffM | I'd rather it be somethign about how fonts are now TTF, and you can set them based on your locale, etc.. |
| 00:42.57 | Erroneous | that is a user-visible change |
| 00:43.07 | JeffM | yes it is, but the wording on that change isn't user readable ;) |
| 00:43.07 | Erroneous | fonts being ttf is a different change |
| 00:43.24 | Erroneous | that's what doc people are for ;) |
| 00:43.26 | JeffM | maybe it should be a section in the manpage |
| 00:44.15 | JeffM | the format of news dosn't realy empahsise that some changes have more or less implact on players then others I think is my point. |
| 00:44.18 | Erroneous | or each entry should have a number that you can punch in on the wiki to get more complete docs |
| 00:44.30 | JeffM | yeah that could be good |
| 00:44.41 | Erroneous | "hey that sounds interesting" - copy, paste |
| 00:44.42 | JeffM | and maybe info on the article for the version |
| 00:44.51 | JeffM | some links in the doc would not hurt |
| 00:45.34 | JeffM | then in that artcile I could say write up how the motto replaces email, etc.. |
| 00:45.46 | JeffM | just to explain to people in more comon language |
| 00:46.03 | me1 | Maybe you could, in addition to the news, have an article with important (new) features on the wiki, and include the new features with the forum post announcing the release? |
| 00:46.20 | JeffM | me1, that's what I'm thinking, we have articles for each version now |
| 00:46.36 | JeffM | expand that article to have a good description of the changes, and link that around |
| 00:47.35 | JeffM | I think there is a difference between the developer log style listing of features and an article style writeup of the major changes in a version. |
| 00:47.47 | JeffM | as Erroneous said, the stuff that doc people write ;) |
| 00:48.15 | JeffM | guess we should jsut fill out, http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_3.0 a lot more |
| 00:49.26 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18727 10/trunk/bzflag/NEWS: add a link to the 3.0 article for more feature info. |
| 00:50.04 | me1 | I was thinking more along the lines of http://my.bzflag.org/w/ZOMG_New_Features_You_HAVE_TO_SEE!!! (except less obnoxious) That includes the latest new features and links to the rest |
| 00:50.27 | JeffM | for that I'd do that as a redirect to whatever version we are releasing |
| 00:50.40 | JeffM | then we can keep swaping it from 3 to 3.2, 3.4, etc.. |
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| 00:54.40 | me1 | Shouldn't new features deserve being on the main page or some other place to be able to get to it easier? |
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| 00:55.20 | JeffM | I think we should link to them from news artciles that announce the release yes |
| 00:55.32 | JeffM | but I dont' think a list of features should dominate the main pages of anything |
| 00:55.55 | me1 | just a link on the main page of the wiki, not a list. |
| 00:56.37 | JeffM | yes, I would put a news article on the main page for the current release with a link to it's article that has it's features, etc.. |
| 00:57.07 | JeffM | current release is xxxxx, released on yyyyyyy, click here for more info.... |
| 00:57.10 | JeffM | that kinda deal |
| 01:01.26 | comeandgetit | hello... again |
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| 01:12.12 | comeandgetit | wow 76 peeps and no talking |
| 01:12.37 | JeffM | well this is the development channel |
| 01:13.15 | comeandgetit | really? |
| 01:13.22 | JeffM | yes |
| 01:13.31 | JeffM | thats why we have a seperate "Chat" one |
| 01:13.49 | comeandgetit | oh...... |
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| 01:13.57 | comeandgetit | bye |
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| 01:14.11 | me1 | is there a wiki article for bzflag ideas that devs look at? |
| 01:14.18 | JeffM | not really |
| 01:14.24 | me1 | :\ |
| 01:14.25 | JeffM | what were you thinking of? |
| 01:14.39 | JeffM | most dev work goes on here |
| 01:14.50 | me1 | It's probably been thought of before, but in ctf/teamffa teammates should see ST on their team |
| 01:15.19 | JeffM | that takes away one of the weakness of ST, you can get poped by your teamies ;) |
| 01:15.29 | me1 | heh |
| 01:15.51 | me1 | I remember having some ideas on the ideas article too, /me looks it up |
| 01:18.22 | me1 | respawn timer? so a flag has to wait <so> seconds to respawn? Like with maps with genocide, after it is dropped, it is queued for 30 seconds and then spawned? |
| 01:19.01 | JeffM | not a bad idea, would require some chagnes to the flag system |
| 01:19.11 | JeffM | need a "gone" bit on the flags |
| 01:19.27 | JeffM | right now the flags are always "somewhere" |
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| 01:32.50 | JeffM | me1, I'd write it up as a feature request on SF |
| 01:34.16 | me1 | Where would that be? (sourceforge is confusing now) |
| 01:34.42 | me1 | Oh cool, found it |
| 01:41.52 | JeffM | actualy there is a state for that, could add an API function and do it now, just set the state and let it hang out |
| 01:45.26 | me1 | Would it be easier to just add an option to bzfs like -r FL <time> |
| 01:45.42 | JeffM | I'd do both actualy |
| 01:45.55 | JeffM | then max flexability |
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| 04:44.22 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18728 10/trunk/bzflag/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 04:44.23 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: always make sure that we restore the window on an activate event, as we could be coming from an iconify event and really do need to show the window, the only time to ignore that is when win32noMin is true. |
| 04:44.23 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: Set markers so that we don't get into recursive activation loops when we call win32 functions during activation that send activation events. |
| 04:45.10 | JeffM2501 | that should let windows client restore from iconify in windowed mode now |
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| 05:05.35 | JeffM2501 | redoes the flag update code |
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| 05:08.00 | FatKidzRHard2Kid | hmm |
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| 05:15.54 | a_meteorite | whois FatKidzRHard2Kid |
| 05:15.56 | a_meteorite | er |
| 05:16.16 | a_meteorite | well, nvm, he just PM'd me... whoever he is |
| 05:18.04 | JeffM2501 | how can you not read it from his hostmask |
| 05:18.37 | a_meteorite | my client doesn't show that on-join or on-leave |
| 05:18.51 | L4m3r | /whowas ftw |
| 05:18.53 | JeffM2501 | get a non suck client then |
| 05:18.59 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 05:41.58 | JeffM2501 | finds all kinds of problems in BZFSNetworkMessageTransferCallback, BufferedNetworkMessage, and BufferedNetworkMessageManager |
| 05:53.06 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18729 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: return the sent size for the bufferedSend function so the caller knows if it worked or not. |
| 05:54.22 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18730 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/BufferedNetworkMessage.cxx: |
| 05:54.22 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: do a cleaner job of sending out messages that are buffered. |
| 05:54.22 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: if a message send fails, keep it around for next time |
| 05:54.22 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: if we've sent a number of messages to the client this time, then save the rest for next time so we don't spam them. |
| 05:55.25 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18731 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsMessages.cxx: break the flag update message up into a number smaller messages (send 10 flags at a time) so they can be buffered out to the client. |
| 05:55.31 | JeffM2501 | I just ran +f good{10} on windows with out problems with that fix ;) |
| 05:56.49 | L4m3r | nice |
| 05:56.50 | JeffM2501 | +f good{40} also works :) |
| 05:57.00 | JeffM2501 | +f good{40} also works :) |
| 05:57.03 | JeffM2501 | oopps |
| 05:57.04 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 05:57.33 | L4m3r | I'll have to add a buttload of flags to my test server, when I put it back up |
| 05:58.03 | L4m3r | found 1.4TB of PATA HDDs today and will be rebuilding his server accordingly |
| 05:58.37 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18732 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: Fixed the bug where assloads of flags would not work, now technically servers can have up to 65768 flags on the field. |
| 05:58.49 | temp_dist | hehe |
| 05:58.51 | L4m3r | O_O |
| 05:58.54 | JeffM2501 | the cool thing is it dosn't slow the server down ether |
| 05:58.57 | L4m3r | that is a LT of flags |
| 05:58.58 | JeffM2501 | they are sent out async |
| 05:58.59 | L4m3r | LOT* |
| 05:59.16 | JeffM2501 | so you see them "fill in" as you drive around initaly |
| 05:59.55 | L4m3r | I wonder how many flags it will take before a client starts to get bogged down from drawing them on a typical system |
| 06:00.04 | JeffM2501 | that I do not know |
| 06:00.30 | pacman87 | why 65768 instead of 65536? |
| 06:01.21 | JeffM2501 | oh that's what it' probalby is |
| 06:01.26 | JeffM2501 | I was just typing from memory |
| 06:01.30 | pacman87 | 2^16? |
| 06:01.30 | JeffM2501 | it's an unsigned short |
| 06:02.18 | JeffM2501 | 768's from signed, they mix in my mind ;) |
| 06:02.35 | pacman87 | yeah, signed is 32768 |
| 06:03.05 | JeffM2501 | lets just call it "a stupid number of flags" ok? ;) |
| 06:03.25 | pacman87 | sounds good |
| 06:04.19 | L4m3r | wonders how many minutes it will take following 3.0's release for someone someone to say "I WANT MOAR FLAGS PLZ" |
| 06:27.45 | Manu | brlcad: do you know why google asked me my address again? (I removed all the non ASCII chars when they said it) |
| 07:49.54 | Constitution | is adsl-76-212-161-134.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net any one of the cheaters we know? |
| 07:50.22 | Constitution | someone named "sk3l" is joined up |
| 07:50.53 | Constitution | okay he banned me, my guess is yes :) |
| 08:20.07 | Manu | Constitution: sk3letor or such? |
| 08:20.15 | Constitution | sk3letr0n, I'm guessing |
| 08:20.22 | Manu | yes, he is a cheater |
| 08:21.07 | Constitution | yes, but I thought that was not his hostname |
| 08:27.25 | Manu | Constitution: in my logs he has another IP 68.120.... |
| 08:34.34 | Constitution | yeah, I think the server address is a NightMare IP |
| 08:35.39 | Constitution | but regardless, it looked highly suspicious, and a guy named "sk3l" banned me on sight with the phrase "cheater," blocking off contact. I think we have cause to block the server :) |
| 08:41.43 | Manu | Constitution: if he is the server owner, he can do what he wants no? :) |
| 08:44.33 | Constitution | we do not allow cheat servers |
| 08:45.13 | Manu | really? we did it in the past, but it's ok |
| 08:45.46 | Manu | is it really a cheat server? he called you cheater no? :) |
| 08:46.20 | Constitution | no, we do not allow cheat servers on the list under the same protocol as our project-released binaries use |
| 08:47.12 | Manu | yes, but is it a cheat server? or just a cheater owns it? |
| 08:51.29 | Constitution | if a cheater puts a server on the list and uses it to cheat, is it not a cheat server? |
| 08:51.48 | Manu | a cheater server ;) |
| 08:52.18 | Constitution | the guidelines are on the wiki if you want to read them |
| 08:52.31 | Manu | I have no problem if you remove it ;) |
| 08:52.59 | Constitution | http://my.bzflag.org/w/List_Server_Usage_Policy |
| 08:54.12 | Constitution | right, I was primarily trying to determine the origin of the server and what particular cheater we were dealing with :) |
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| 09:27.57 | utrrrongeeb | How well does BZFlag work through a dial-up internet connection? I'm looking for opinions on this.... |
| 09:31.50 | Chestal | it's playble, but will probably add significant latency (lag) |
| 09:33.12 | utrrrongeeb | Okay.... |
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| 09:45.56 | CBG | I have a kind of philosophical question... |
| 09:46.24 | utrrrongeeb | Ask. |
| 09:48.56 | CBG | Are these guys - sk3lly, Nightmare, etc - using cheats, running cheat servers, etc, specifically to disrupt bz services and to cause trouble? Or perhaps they just like to experiment with code and don't really intend to cause everyone so much trouble? |
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| 11:19.24 | Manu | CBG: who need a public server to check cheats? |
| 11:19.52 | Manu | they can use non public servers for that |
| 11:23.00 | brlcad | Manu: no, not specifically |
| 11:23.39 | Manu | hola brlcad |
| 11:23.46 | Manu | brlcad: you are responding to my question? |
| 11:24.29 | Manu | brlcad: may be I'm blind, but I have not non ASCII chars in my address |
| 11:28.00 | brlcad | yes |
| 11:28.31 | Manu | brlcad: yes you are responding or yes I have non ASCII chars? ;) |
| 11:28.43 | brlcad | maybe |
| 11:28.48 | Manu | heh |
| 11:28.54 | brlcad | ;) |
| 11:29.05 | Manu | ~wake brlcad |
| 11:29.05 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on brlcad and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 11:29.14 | Manu | brlcad: ;) |
| 11:30.01 | kierra | que rudo |
| 11:30.17 | kierra | spanglish? |
| 11:30.18 | Manu | oh.. kierra... what are you doing here? :) |
| 11:30.33 | kierra | slummin'? |
| 11:30.38 | kierra | jk |
| 11:30.43 | Manu | :) |
| 11:30.48 | kierra | out of my class here |
| 11:32.24 | Manu | brlcad: BTW this t-shirt labels GSoC thingie is a step back. From my point of view, of course |
| 11:32.43 | Manu | I hope they saved a lot of money doing it |
| 11:33.50 | Manu | may be the next year they can ask the mentors to send them the labels ;) |
| 11:34.36 | brlcad | of course it is |
| 11:35.27 | brlcad | it would have been so much easier to keep the labels as-is and then have 1 person spend an hour writing a script that converted |
| 11:35.38 | brlcad | instead of a few minutes of hudreds of people's time |
| 11:35.55 | Manu | yes, I thought about your last sentence ;) |
| 11:35.56 | brlcad | even if they still had the limitation |
| 11:36.08 | Manu | it's trivial to filter it I guess |
| 11:36.42 | Manu | brlcad: BTW, poor sussians chinesses and greeks ;) |
| 11:36.52 | Manu | and others using non latin chars |
| 11:37.00 | Manu | russians* |
| 11:37.07 | brlcad | they'll live :) |
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| 13:27.24 | TheRedBaron | Chestal talked! |
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| 13:31.54 | Chestal | sorry for that! |
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| 13:38.20 | TheRedBaron | Chestal: what are you up to these days? |
| 13:39.25 | whodaman | lol |
| 13:40.34 | Chestal | TheRedBaron: lots of different things, really, and when there is some time left, I never realy feel like filling that with bz at the moment |
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| 13:54.42 | TheRedBaron | Chestal: I understand :) |
| 13:55.56 | dexter- | hi trepan :) |
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| 16:23.19 | JeffM | had the idea for his most evil plug-in yet |
| 16:24.24 | BulletCatcher | With 34 good flags, +f good{1900} gives a total of 64600. It seems to work, but the server crashes if the client leaves before they have all been sent. |
| 16:24.32 | JeffM | hah |
| 16:25.20 | JeffM | yeah I figured that woudl happen when I looked at the code last night, I need to take a pass thru the pending messages when a user quits and remove any that are attached to that nethandler |
| 16:25.30 | JeffM | I can do that later tonight |
| 16:25.41 | JeffM | but hey at least it works for the sane values :) |
| 16:26.12 | BulletCatcher | The frame rate drops into single digits when displaying all of those flags on the field. Using J to hide them speeds it up. |
| 16:26.23 | JeffM | heh |
| 16:26.29 | JeffM | what video card do you have? |
| 16:26.57 | BulletCatcher | GeForce 6100 |
| 16:27.17 | JeffM | yeah that'd be why |
| 16:27.24 | JeffM | it may do ok on a better card |
| 16:27.59 | BulletCatcher | It's good enough for sane configurations. :-) |
| 16:28.54 | JeffM | better then it used to be at least |
| 16:29.18 | BulletCatcher | +f good{4000} segfaults the client |
| 16:29.50 | JeffM | we should protect against that in a couple places |
| 16:30.15 | JeffM | 1) in the command line reader, and 2 in the message pack, making sure we don't pack an ID over 0xFFF |
| 16:31.27 | BulletCatcher | makes a note to ensure that gets done |
| 16:31.43 | JeffM | I'm doing the 0xFFFF part now, |
| 16:31.47 | BulletCatcher | k |
| 16:31.50 | JeffM | you can take care of the command line part if you want :) |
| 16:31.54 | JeffM | does not like CLI |
| 16:32.13 | JeffM | that massive if/elseif/else scares me |
| 16:33.08 | BulletCatcher | Doesn't bother me. I'll look at it. |
| 16:45.02 | brlcad | JeffM: you said you moved over to the palms? |
| 16:45.10 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:45.13 | brlcad | both you guys? a double opened up? |
| 16:45.20 | JeffM | no |
| 16:45.23 | JeffM | I got a single |
| 16:45.40 | JeffM | DTRemenak, has the option as well |
| 16:45.50 | brlcad | you know G only pays for one night then |
| 16:45.54 | JeffM | yes |
| 16:46.15 | JeffM | 100$ is worth bein where the partay is at ;) |
| 16:46.34 | brlcad | heh, k |
| 16:46.43 | JeffM | and a single room |
| 16:46.54 | JeffM | snores |
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| 17:06.04 | AHA_School | JeffM: ping |
| 17:06.20 | JeffM | ? |
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| 17:32.38 | Flash | CBG: ping |
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| 18:55.56 | MindstormsKid | YAY NETSPLIT |
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| 18:56.11 | MindstormsKid | or is it..? |
| 18:56.13 | MindstormsKid | :P |
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| 18:58.40 | Winny | if it was a netspilt it would say * Username has quit (server server) |
| 18:59.08 | me1 | also, half the channel would leave |
| 18:59.10 | me1 | not 3 people |
| 18:59.49 | Winny | well, not always |
| 18:59.56 | Winny | depends on what server goes down |
| 19:00.07 | me1 | It's odd, though. On this channel it's usually 50/50. |
| 19:00.55 | me1 | MindstormsKid, if you are interesting, the this page explains how a netsplit happens: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit |
| 19:01.11 | me1 | erm, interested |
| 19:01.17 | MindstormsKid | i've read it :P |
| 19:01.29 | me1 | mmkay |
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| 19:28.50 | Winny | wow.. http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/10/1539246 |
| 19:30.42 | me1 | Hay! Someone is hax0ring us! We shouldn't tell anyone for a year! |
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| 20:14.48 | CBG | Flash: pong |
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| 20:30.47 | JeffM | Erroneous, you decide if you want a cloak or not yet? |
| 20:31.04 | Erroneous | nope. hey, where'd DTRemenak go? :( |
| 20:31.08 | JeffM | away |
| 20:35.38 | BZ | bahh |
| 20:36.39 | JeffM | can't use a : in an nick :( |
| 20:36.54 | dexter- | oh, heh |
| 20:37.05 | Winny | what were you going to try? |
| 20:37.11 | JeffM | BZ:JeffM |
| 20:37.16 | JeffM | for my evil plugin |
| 20:37.21 | Winny | :o |
| 20:37.24 | dexter- | BZ|JeffM |
| 20:37.25 | dexter- | ? |
| 20:37.29 | JeffM | I'll do - |
| 20:37.42 | JeffM | BZ-JeffM in IRC, and IRC-JeffM in game |
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| 20:41.09 | CBG | JeffM: a irc<->bz chat plugin has been done, if that's what you're planning |
| 20:41.17 | CBG | though I dare say you can improve on it - it sucked iirc |
| 20:41.19 | JeffM | CBG, different way |
| 20:41.22 | JeffM | exactly |
| 20:41.27 | CBG | cool |
| 20:41.41 | JeffM | it creates an IRC user for each player, and an observer for each IRC user |
| 20:42.09 | CBG | Oh, nice. |
| 20:42.20 | JeffM | so it should be mostly transperant |
| 20:42.44 | me1 | wouldn't the observer slots fill for that server? or a "different" observer? |
| 20:43.04 | JeffM | there may be issues of /msgs from those not in the channel to the player, they will have to come from the "server" |
| 20:43.10 | CBG | Depends how many slots and how many users in the IRC channel. |
| 20:43.14 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:43.28 | JeffM | I would think that server ops that do this don't limit observers |
| 20:43.36 | JeffM | tho these take no bandwith |
| 20:43.45 | JeffM | they dont' get gamestate updates over the net |
| 20:43.52 | JeffM | they are just SSPs |
| 20:44.21 | Winny | so are we going to release a religious version of BZFlag? http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/10/church_tank.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 |
| 20:44.35 | JeffM | tho speaking of that I should make the player limits only count netplayers |
| 20:44.44 | me1 | you can make limitless observer count? |
| 20:44.51 | F687s | Winny: Just do a bit-flip of Planet M. ;-) |
| 20:44.58 | JeffM | me1, sure don't define it |
| 20:45.10 | me1 | leave it out of mp? |
| 20:45.15 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:45.19 | me1 | oh |
| 20:45.21 | JeffM | or IIRC set it to negitive |
| 20:45.25 | JeffM | or really big or something |
| 20:45.37 | JeffM | I don't remember the exact way |
| 20:45.39 | JeffM | but it's possible |
| 20:46.01 | CBG | you can set it to 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 and since there have never been that many bz players or irc users at once, no worries. |
| 20:46.59 | Winny | doesn't a server have a max of 200 players? |
| 20:47.25 | dexter- | afaik, yes |
| 20:47.48 | CBG | easily changed, if that is the case |
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| 20:59.26 | blast007 | JeffM: I still don't think IRC is best suited to that ;) |
| 20:59.36 | JeffM | probalby not |
| 20:59.39 | JeffM | I'm just bored |
| 20:59.45 | JeffM | I may never check it in |
| 20:59.48 | CBG | Oh, you're bored? |
| 20:59.51 | blast007 | for one thing, a *lot* of server hosts do not allow IRC to be run on their servers |
| 20:59.54 | JeffM | kinda want to see if it works |
| 20:59.58 | CBG | I got loads of home work, JeffM... |
| 21:00.04 | blast007 | heh |
| 21:00.18 | JeffM | blast007, it connects to an external IRC server |
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| 21:00.28 | CBG | And it's all games/systems analysis/java stuff! |
| 21:00.37 | blast007 | JeffM: right, but then you can end up with name conflicts |
| 21:00.38 | JeffM | you had me untill the last line |
| 21:00.47 | JeffM | blast007, I have that covered ;) |
| 21:00.47 | CBG | Heh. |
| 21:00.55 | CBG | XNA? |
| 21:01.08 | JeffM | you'll end up as BZ-blast007111 but it'll work and map correctly ;) |
| 21:01.31 | blast007 | heh |
| 21:01.38 | JeffM | or in game IRC-blast007111 |
| 21:01.45 | JeffM | the plugin keeps a name map |
| 21:02.56 | blast007 | I'd be interested in something like Jabber |
| 21:03.10 | JeffM | go for it |
| 21:03.23 | blast007 | I'll add that to my long TODO list ;) |
| 21:03.33 | JeffM | I coudln't sleep last night and got the idea, it's turning out to be rather easy |
| 21:03.41 | JeffM | and the IRC part could be replaced with anything really |
| 21:03.42 | blast007 | I want to try making a portable BZFlag this weekend |
| 21:03.53 | blast007 | just to see how easy it is |
| 21:04.05 | JeffM | the key code is the part that keeps the 2 chat systems user maped |
| 21:05.10 | blast007 | yeah, that way you did it is certainly done better compared to the existing implementation in the misc/ directory |
| 21:05.26 | blast007 | or wherever it is at |
| 21:06.07 | blast007 | think it had the IRC chat coming from the [SERVER] (with a name appended) and the BZFlag chat coming from the IRC's bot name with the name at the start of the message |
| 21:06.24 | JeffM | yeah that's the cheap way |
| 21:06.42 | JeffM | I'll only be doing that for /msgs to players from people who arn't in channel |
| 21:06.52 | JeffM | since I won't have a player represneation |
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| 21:07.13 | JeffM | the scarry thing is, if I do this right, IRC users can do / commands :) |
| 21:07.29 | blast007 | heh |
| 21:07.59 | blast007 | /idlestats |
| 21:08.00 | blast007 | ;) |
| 21:11.37 | CBG | :D |
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| 21:22.55 | this | damn |
| 21:23.09 | JeffM | can't have . ether :) |
| 21:30.14 | test | no , either |
| 21:30.49 | JeffM | and channel names seem to have a size limit |
| 21:30.51 | TheRedBaron | no ? either |
| 21:32.20 | Winny | TheRedBaron: a-z, 0-9, and ~` [] | <> {} () I believe |
| 21:32.53 | _Abominable_ | Underscores |
| 21:33.01 | Winny | that too |
| 21:34.57 | TheRedBaron | no $ |
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| 22:08.49 | JeffM | anyone else want to request a cloak while I'm at it? |
| 22:10.19 | blast007 | JeffM: usernames have a size limit as well |
| 22:10.26 | JeffM | yeah I see :) |
| 22:10.33 | blast007 | ;) |
| 22:11.09 | JeffM | well it's letting me find bugs in libIRC |
| 22:11.11 | JeffM | and that's good |
| 22:11.23 | brlcad | but there are no bugs in libirc |
| 22:11.44 | JeffM | cus I wanted to also use libIRC + my HTTP server to make a webIRC client that used global login, and automaticly pastebined stuff |
| 22:11.55 | blast007 | lol |
| 22:12.03 | blast007 | auto pastebin would be nice |
| 22:12.42 | JeffM | so would global login :) |
| 22:12.46 | blast007 | yeah |
| 22:13.09 | JeffM | libIRC's user manager isn't returning all the channel users :( |
| 22:13.28 | blast007 | just the cool ones? yeah, that's a feature |
| 22:15.54 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:15.59 | JeffM | all it returns is it's own username |
| 22:16.06 | JeffM | it's a bit self centered |
| 22:16.06 | blast007 | nice |
| 22:22.48 | Winny | anyone in here using python on OS X? |
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| 22:26.28 | Winny | oh.. wait http://bugs.python.org/issue4017 |
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| 23:17.09 | CIA-42 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18734 10/trunk/custom_plugins/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 23:17.09 | CIA-42 | BZFlag: start a section for plug-ins that may be to weird to ship with the product. |
| 23:17.09 | CIA-42 | BZFlag: add irclink to said weird plug-ins. |
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| 23:43.41 | CIA-42 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18735 10/trunk/custom_plugins/irclink/irclink.cpp: |
| 23:43.41 | CIA-42 | BZFlag: don't use case when worrying about callsign matching in maps |
| 23:43.41 | CIA-42 | BZFlag: save the SSP playerID so we can find it again |
| 23:43.41 | CIA-42 | BZFlag: have the player IRC connection actually connect. |
| 23:43.41 | CIA-42 | BZFlag: get the basics of channel communication working. |
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| 23:45.29 | CIA-42 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18736 10/trunk/custom_plugins/irclink/irclink.cpp: ignore case for join and part from the IRC side too |
| 23:46.41 | CIA-42 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18737 10/trunk/custom_plugins/irclink/irclink.cpp: ignore case on chanserv and self |
| 23:47.12 | JeffM | well that seems to work for bi-directional comunication between players and IRC channels |
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