| 00:00.01 | Pryon | ato[i|f] |
| 00:00.33 | Pryon | Would a patch against 2.0.12 plugins be worth anything? |
| 00:01.23 | brlcad | Pryon: did you make clean first? |
| 00:01.35 | brlcad | patch against 2.0 is worthless |
| 00:01.36 | Pryon | I deleted everything and re-extracted the archive |
| 00:01.41 | Pryon | okay |
| 00:01.46 | JeffM | others have built just fine |
| 00:01.50 | Pryon | :/ |
| 00:01.53 | brlcad | if head/trunk has the problem, it'd be worth it |
| 00:02.38 | JeffM | and I know for a fact it builds under debian as Tim built the debian packaages for 12 |
| 00:02.47 | JeffM | you sure you have the C++ runtimes installed? |
| 00:03.11 | JeffM | you may want to try svn, maybe tim had to fix something that wasnt in the source tarball |
| 00:04.14 | JeffM | tho actualy now that I think about it, tim dosn't build plugins for the package.... hmmm |
| 00:05.57 | brlcad | it still just sounds like it's not including the bzfsAPI.h header |
| 00:06.08 | Pryon | yeah, dev and runtime |
| 00:06.12 | brlcad | because it includes the standard headers (at least on trunk) |
| 00:10.37 | Pryon | The only headers included in bzfsApi are <string> and <vector>. No matter, I can edit what I need. config.h shows that cstdio, cstdlib, cstring are present. If a patch is worthless I'm just gonna get it to compile and forget about it. I'd not even do that if I could find a deb with the plugins... |
| 00:10.43 | JeffM | the API header is included in the plugins |
| 00:12.25 | JeffM | otherwise they'd not build on windows |
| 00:13.42 | JeffM | each plugin is suposed to include any C or C++ headers it needs |
| 00:13.47 | JeffM | what ones give you errors |
| 00:15.17 | JeffM | many plugins don't even use stdio, etc.. |
| 00:17.59 | brlcad | JeffM: lots of them are missing decls provided by stdlib |
| 00:18.09 | JeffM | such as? |
| 00:18.15 | brlcad | trunk worked around it just by including it for all |
| 00:18.41 | JeffM | yeah trunk does include cstdlib |
| 00:19.14 | brlcad | unless they've changed, quick example is nagware and htf |
| 00:19.29 | JeffM | lazy third party plugin developers ;) |
| 00:20.58 | brlcad | i'd be surprised if most aren't missing something with those four big ones in the api header |
| 00:21.09 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18569 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: include commonly forgotten standard libs to make lazy plug in devs not feel so bad |
| 00:21.35 | JeffM | the ones I write I try to do everything with STL |
| 00:21.44 | JeffM | but yeah you are probably right |
| 00:22.17 | JeffM | I'm probably safe as the windows STL header probably includes the standard C stuff too |
| 00:24.19 | JeffM | Pryon, if you get svn code for branch that should work better for you |
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| 00:46.45 | rwt | Ok. Resolved. My rules blocked route from one by other inteface... Thanks. |
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| 00:59.10 | temp_dist | swigg, ping |
| 01:01.39 | Pryon | I know you asked a long time ago, but here's a list. All were missing either cstdlib or cstring or both (neither of which was included in bzfsAPI.h): HoldTheFlag airspawn flagStay keepaway koth logDetail nagware rabbitTimer rabidRabbit teamflagreset timedctf torBlock wwzones |
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| 01:18.59 | blast007 | Pryon: does it work from v2_0branch svn? |
| 01:21.34 | blast007 | jeff added those to the bzfsAPI.h file |
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| 01:27.01 | Pryon | probably it would. I'll let you know if it doesn't (I should probably just stop using 2.0.12) |
| 01:27.33 | awilcox | Hi. This is the only gaming community I know of, I was just wondering what graphic card brands are the best (I.e. EVGA, XFX)? |
| 01:28.19 | me1 | which one costs more? |
| 01:28.32 | awilcox | me1: I don't know, I haven't searched newegg yet. |
| 01:28.53 | awilcox | I'm in power search and the last time I did this (some months ago) the way to go was either EVGA, XFX, or something else |
| 01:28.55 | blast007 | get the one that has the most bright green plastic, cuz that means it's faster |
| 01:29.18 | blast007 | (kidding, of course) |
| 01:29.21 | awilcox | blast007: I suppose I should wax my cable modem to get faster speed too :P |
| 01:29.29 | me1 | awilcox, get the one rated highest |
| 01:29.31 | blast007 | I have an eVGA card and I like it |
| 01:29.38 | me1 | it's usually better |
| 01:29.52 | blast007 | I would recommend doing some research |
| 01:30.00 | blast007 | for the specific cards you are looking at |
| 01:30.07 | awilcox | blast007: ok. I have an eVGA 8600GTS with 512M that is really good, but I got it in february and I wasn't sure if they changed since then (now my friend is jealous and wants one! :p) |
| 01:30.45 | blast007 | I have a 7900GTO 512MB from eVGA |
| 01:30.53 | blast007 | runs a bit hot, but other than that.. |
| 01:31.10 | blast007 | (nothing a couple fans on the side panel couldn't cure) |
| 01:31.31 | awilcox | mine runs at 58 C |
| 01:31.39 | blast007 | my case probably don't have the greatest air flow in it either |
| 01:31.59 | blast007 | with the IDE cable stretched to it's limit |
| 01:32.08 | awilcox | heh |
| 01:32.29 | awilcox | I have a nice big case with lots of fans, hard disk runs near room temperature and quad-core at ~50C under full load :) |
| 01:32.30 | blast007 | can't recall what mine runs at (or I should say, used to run at) |
| 01:32.38 | blast007 | I have two 120mm fans next to my video card now |
| 01:32.45 | me1 | heh |
| 01:33.08 | awilcox | sounds noisy but effective |
| 01:33.09 | blast007 | I'm not sure if it was overheating, but after I did that, it stopped periodically crashing the whole system in games |
| 01:33.15 | blast007 | they're not too bad |
| 01:33.15 | me1 | my video card are teh suxors |
| 01:33.21 | blast007 | my PSU is louder |
| 01:33.26 | me1 | GeForce 6200 XD |
| 01:33.27 | blast007 | two 80mm |
| 01:33.43 | awilcox | blast007: I notice sometimes though not all the time, my computer will just lock for like two minutes while switching resolutions for games |
| 01:33.45 | blast007 | and one of them has a slightly noisy bearing |
| 01:33.51 | blast007 | fun |
| 01:33.54 | awilcox | I know |
| 01:33.58 | blast007 | you have the latest drivers? |
| 01:34.06 | awilcox | yup, forceware 149.xx iirc |
| 01:34.39 | awilcox | scuse me |
| 01:34.39 | blast007 | latest is 175.19 |
| 01:34.41 | Pryon | awilcox: isn't 7 months a little soon to be replacing your video card? |
| 01:34.41 | CIA-48 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r372 10/trunk/libirc/ (6 files in 2 dirs): add invite event |
| 01:34.42 | awilcox | Win XP 32-bit 175.19 GeForce |
| 01:34.54 | awilcox | yeah, that's what I run. had to check version. |
| 01:35.11 | awilcox | Pryon: like I said, I'm buying this for my friend who wants to upgrade her card after seeing mine :P |
| 01:35.29 | blast007 | laptopvideo2go.com has an even newer one (177.98) |
| 01:36.01 | awilcox | 175.19 fixed the crash that would happen if it was in full-screen DX for too long though |
| 01:36.04 | JeffM | Pryon, it depends on what you bought 7 months ago, if it was a 7200, YES it's time to upgrade |
| 01:36.21 | awilcox | the previous version (whatever that was), it would crash after an hour or so in full-screen DirectX |
| 01:36.29 | blast007 | awilcox: strange |
| 01:36.31 | awilcox | this driver seems to have fixed that (SimCity was not working for me.) |
| 01:37.14 | awilcox | but it's amazing...I've watched computers get amazingly more reliable since my first comp (a 486 with Win3.11) yet my computer is still horribly unreliable in one area: graphics driver =/ |
| 01:38.59 | awilcox | is there a big difference between 8600 and 8800? this friend doesn't do a whole big lot of fancy stuff |
| 01:39.22 | awilcox | she plays like first-person RPGs but the requirements on most of her games is in the 32-64MB VRAM range |
| 01:40.24 | blast007 | that's just the minimum too :) |
| 01:40.49 | blast007 | they will use more if you crank up the settings |
| 01:40.55 | blast007 | or the resolution |
| 01:41.38 | blast007 | really depends on what they play, or plan to play in the future |
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| 01:42.05 | awilcox | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130292 |
| 01:42.17 | awilcox | this seems more than enough for what she would do for as far as I can tell. |
| 01:42.31 | awilcox | she's not obsessed with full-quality all-on gaming |
| 01:42.33 | blast007 | my 7900GTO can handle most of what's out there, but games from the last 6 months to a year are probably gonna bring my card down if I try to play at full quality |
| 01:42.54 | awilcox | she's more a casual gamer than a diehard or something, if thats what you mean |
| 01:42.57 | blast007 | I can handle crysis at lower qualities just fine |
| 01:43.19 | blast007 | it was even playable at higher, but it was noticibly slower.. |
| 01:43.41 | me1 | meh, i tried playing it at lowest quality and got 1 fps :\ |
| 01:43.56 | awilcox | can do FSX at 1280x1024x32 with highest quality possible and get 23 fps |
| 01:43.59 | Think_Differentl | my 8600GT is fairly good. it handles bzflag fine and counterstrike/hl2/doom3 |
| 01:44.23 | blast007 | my card can crank out 800+ FPS in bzflag :P |
| 01:44.27 | Think_Differentl | i can have highest aircraft and high settings in fsx and still get about 40fps |
| 01:44.28 | awilcox | could probably have gotten more than 23 fps if I didn't have firefox open when I did the benchmark :P |
| 01:45.04 | Think_Differentl | at 1680x1050 |
| 01:45.05 | blast007 | I could run HL2 Episode 2 at 1920x1200 with everything maxed, iirc |
| 01:45.14 | blast007 | well, maybe not AA ans AF |
| 01:45.21 | blast007 | and* |
| 01:45.25 | Think_Differentl | FSX is pretty demanding, even though it's a flight simulator. |
| 01:45.30 | awilcox | Think_Differentl: I don't have a monitor that will do that resolution :p I am on a 19" flatpanel |
| 01:45.39 | blast007 | 24" here ;) |
| 01:45.48 | Think_Differentl | 22" :P |
| 01:46.06 | awilcox | my desk is already cramped with 19" |
| 01:46.14 | awilcox | when the desk gets upgraded, I'll consider a bigger one :P |
| 01:46.45 | Think_Differentl | goes back to FSX |
| 01:46.47 | awilcox | anyways, thanks guys. she'll prolly want the 8600GT considering with rebate it's only 50$...that's a steal |
| 01:46.56 | blast007 | yeah, that's a great price |
| 01:47.11 | Think_Differentl | remembers paying $200 for an 8600GTS |
| 01:47.32 | awilcox | paid ~180$ for his 8600GTS :p but that was GDDR3, this is GDDR2 |
| 01:48.03 | awilcox | bye all :) |
| 01:48.06 | blast007 | cya |
| 01:48.09 | me1 | cya |
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| 02:41.03 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18570 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: keep the FPS limit between 200 and 15 for sanity. |
| 02:41.40 | blast007 | 15? |
| 02:42.07 | blast007 | seems a bit low ;) |
| 02:42.10 | JeffM | yeah we shoudl always at least TRY for 15 |
| 02:42.23 | blast007 | is that for fpsLimit? |
| 02:42.23 | JeffM | 30 you think? |
| 02:42.26 | JeffM | yeah |
| 02:42.30 | JeffM | just the setting |
| 02:42.35 | JeffM | so you can't set it to like 1 |
| 02:42.35 | blast007 | I just changed it from 25 back to 30 earlier today |
| 02:42.41 | JeffM | it was 0 |
| 02:42.45 | JeffM | as the lower cap |
| 02:43.01 | blast007 | hmm, no, there was something in there to limit it to 25 |
| 02:43.12 | blast007 | that you had put in before |
| 02:43.33 | blast007 | you initially had it at 30, but then had changed it to 25 because of my lap burning laptop |
| 02:43.34 | JeffM | hmm |
| 02:43.43 | JeffM | hmm |
| 02:43.54 | JeffM | this was in doFPSLimit() |
| 02:44.32 | blast007 | waits for the web svn page to load |
| 02:44.56 | Pryon | is doing a svn co right now |
| 02:45.07 | JeffM | it was the only place I saw the var used |
| 02:45.14 | blast007 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx?r1=18541&r2=18567 |
| 02:45.34 | JeffM | oh crap.. that's a ifNdef? |
| 02:45.35 | blast007 | you changed the part after the #else there |
| 02:45.36 | JeffM | damn.. |
| 02:45.37 | JeffM | hah |
| 02:46.03 | blast007 | and shouldn't we always want at least 1 FPS, even *in* debug? ;) |
| 02:46.08 | JeffM | yeah |
| 02:46.11 | JeffM | refactors |
| 02:46.24 | blast007 | I'd say make it always 30+ for the limit |
| 02:46.42 | JeffM | yet you said you lowerd it |
| 02:46.50 | blast007 | I raised it back up to 30 |
| 02:46.51 | JeffM | I don't belive we have problems at 15 |
| 02:46.52 | blast007 | it was 25 |
| 02:46.53 | JeffM | ahh |
| 02:47.06 | JeffM | 15 is the general low limit for animation in the human eye |
| 02:47.12 | blast007 | canned air made my laptop run cooler :) |
| 02:47.19 | blast007 | so I can run at higher fps now |
| 02:47.24 | blast007 | silly dust! |
| 02:47.49 | JeffM | well the big thing I wanted was the max cap too |
| 02:48.11 | blast007 | yeah, I saw that too |
| 02:48.26 | blast007 | but I was just making some changes without compiling, so I figured I'd stick to easy ones ;) |
| 02:48.40 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18571 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: use a min limit of 20fps for non debug and 1 for debug |
| 02:48.52 | JeffM | there, split the diff, 20 :) |
| 02:49.16 | blast007 | ;) |
| 02:49.43 | blast007 | I know at 10, at least, I've been able to go through thin walls |
| 02:50.25 | JeffM | in trunk? |
| 02:50.48 | JeffM | cus we should also break the sim loop up into smaller chunks at low low framerates to prevent that |
| 02:51.13 | blast007 | oh, no, that was 2.0.x |
| 02:51.26 | JeffM | yeah trunk has a loop in the loop |
| 02:51.33 | blast007 | sweet |
| 02:52.33 | blast007 | do we do anything special for really high FPS? skip the sim until enough time has passed? or are we capping the max FPS? |
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| 02:53.16 | JeffM | we cap to 200 |
| 02:53.19 | blast007 | k |
| 02:53.26 | JeffM | efectivly power saver is always on now |
| 02:53.53 | JeffM | the var just means "use the limit in the other var" |
| 02:54.03 | blast007 | "Breaking News: Global power usage drops 3%. In other news, BZFlag 3.0.0 was released." |
| 02:54.11 | JeffM | heh |
| 02:54.18 | JeffM | 200 is still prety high |
| 02:54.21 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:54.29 | JeffM | I may lower it to 120 |
| 02:54.49 | blast007 | but I was cranking out 500 to 1200 on my system, depending on the map/resolution |
| 02:55.03 | JeffM | that's pointless |
| 02:55.11 | blast007 | yeah, I ran the energy saver |
| 02:55.40 | blast007 | I think I could hold a solid 400FPS on louman's home sweet home map (which was a pretty heavy map) at 1600x1200 |
| 02:56.39 | JeffM | I never know what real FPSs I get, I run debug all the time |
| 02:56.54 | blast007 | hehe |
| 03:12.30 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18572 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/plugin_HTTP.h: expose a way to get the search paths from a Templatizer |
| 03:16.45 | JeffM | blast007: do you think it's important for webadmin to be able to return stuff like css and image files? or is it ok to assume those will be hosted elsewhere? |
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| 04:20.23 | blast007 | JeffM: I suppose those could be hosted elsewhere |
| 04:20.45 | blast007 | I was trying to make it send CSS too, but never got around to making it work |
| 04:20.53 | JeffM | I can make it return files from the disk it's just easier to do it elsewhere |
| 04:20.59 | JeffM | it's kinda a pita |
| 04:22.24 | temp_dist | hummus is good with pita |
| 04:31.58 | Constitution | anyone else get overtly uncomplementary comments in PMs from NightMare on IRC this evening? |
| 04:33.50 | a_meteorite | I got one, but it wasn't exactly "uncomplementary" |
| 04:34.09 | a_meteorite | More like "huh?" |
| 04:44.29 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18574 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webadmin/ (8 files): |
| 04:44.29 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: implement frameworks for simple template loops, web based actions, and common var grouping. |
| 04:44.29 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: Move players, pages, server variables, and user data over to the new dynamic system. |
| 04:44.29 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: use .page for returned pages, and .tmpl for includes. |
| 04:45.23 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18575 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webadmin/Makefile.am: build all files on make |
| 04:45.59 | JeffM | webadmin should be very close to being able to generate the main page finaly :) |
| 05:00.16 | Pryon | blast007: FYI v2_0branch compiled as expected, no problems |
| 05:12.19 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18576 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/ (plugin_files.cpp plugin_files.h): utility to contact paths into an OS file path |
| 05:15.58 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18577 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/ (plugin_HTTP.cpp plugin_HTTP.h): |
| 05:15.58 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: option for the base BZFSHTTP vdir system to be able to service file requests for registered mime types, defaults to off. |
| 05:15.58 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: vdirs that wish to use this feature should override generatePage instead of handleRequest and set serviceMimeResources to true, and set resourceRootPath to the root path to use for resources. |
| 05:15.59 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: mime types are associated with file extensions, default extensions are, htm, html,txt,css,png, and ico. If the vdir wishes to add or remove them it can by accessing the mimeTypes map. |
| 05:16.23 | JeffM | there ya go blast007, that should let systems that derive from the authed system return basic resources. |
| 05:16.29 | blast007 | yay |
| 05:17.29 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18578 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/plugin_HTTP.cpp: forgot html as a mime type |
| 05:19.24 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18579 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webadmin/loops.cpp: templates call "IsCurrentPage" not "CurrentPage" for navigation loops |
| 05:20.39 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18580 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webadmin/loops.cpp: replace _ in page file titles with a space so they don't look weird |
| 05:23.47 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18581 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webadmin/ (loops.cpp loops.h): CurrentPage is used outside the nav loop, so service it like a normal key. |
| 05:25.39 | JeffM | well that's enough for tonight |
| 05:28.38 | blast007 | ;) |
| 05:30.22 | JeffM | I'm not sure what is "editing" flag is for tho |
| 05:31.16 | JeffM | but the header and mainpages shuld be generatable |
| 05:31.32 | JeffM | and it's easy to add new lists of thigns now, you just add a class that handles it |
| 05:47.29 | BulletCatcher | blast007: I changed the plugin directory to $pkglibdir ($prefix/lib/bzflag) in 2.0.12, but the same change is still pending for trunk. |
| 05:47.31 | BulletCatcher | I haven't found a way to do it yet that will keep brlcad happy. |
| 05:47.43 | blast007 | ah, okay |
| 05:48.38 | brlcad | hm? |
| 05:49.23 | brlcad | if you can fix it the way you were suggesting, then it should be entirely possible to fix it without faking the init name |
| 05:50.01 | brlcad | regardless, path overrides belong in the configure template |
| 05:50.43 | BulletCatcher | The problem is in automake, which insists on using PACKAGE for two purposes: the package name and the tar file name. |
| 05:51.33 | BulletCatcher | 3 purposes: defining $pkglibdir, too. |
| 05:51.43 | brlcad | how's that a problem that it makes bzflag-plugins.tar instead of bzflag.tar? |
| 05:52.00 | brlcad | the latter is misleading/bad |
| 05:52.33 | BulletCatcher | It also makes $pkglibdir be $prefix/lib/bzflag-plugins, which doesn't match the rest of BZFlag. |
| 05:53.28 | BulletCatcher | (If you don't want to get all the way into it now I will do a writeup of the catch-22 for some other time.) |
| 05:54.06 | brlcad | that can be overridden in other ways as well |
| 05:56.21 | brlcad | see the 'dir' path variable setting |
| 05:57.01 | BulletCatcher | Which file? |
| 05:58.10 | brlcad | the Makefile.am files that have install targets that you want to place somewhere |
| 05:58.51 | brlcad | lots of examples abound |
| 05:59.53 | brlcad | waddles |
| 06:00.05 | BulletCatcher | Okay, I'll look at it. Thanks. |
| 06:00.22 | brlcad | if you are still stuck, lemme know and I can push out some examples |
| 06:00.26 | BulletCatcher | k |
| 06:01.29 | brlcad | or apply the changes myself, a lot of the how the overrides work is just knowing just about everything *can* be overidden |
| 06:01.46 | brlcad | waves |
| 06:26.58 | Deadalot | BulletCatcher: Question for you... |
| 06:27.09 | BulletCatcher | Sure. |
| 06:27.24 | Deadalot | I see a requirement i ./configure that is failing. |
| 06:27.38 | Deadalot | FreeType -- version >= 9.0.3... no |
| 06:28.10 | Deadalot | I have nothing anywhere near that. Fedora 9 |
| 06:28.24 | BulletCatcher | That is an internal FreeType version number that is different from the external 2.3.x versions used by distros. |
| 06:28.35 | Deadalot | Package freetype-2.3.5-6.fc9.i386 already installed and latest version |
| 06:29.09 | BulletCatcher | What is the output of a "freetype-config --version" command? |
| 06:29.45 | BulletCatcher | I get 9.16.3 on Fedora 8 with freetype-2.3.5-4.fc8 . |
| 06:29.55 | BulletCatcher | Do you have freetype-devel ? |
| 06:30.08 | Deadalot | command not found. |
| 06:30.19 | BulletCatcher | "yum install freetype-devel" |
| 06:30.36 | Deadalot | bingo |
| 06:31.33 | Deadalot | checking for FreeType -- version >= 9.0.3... no |
| 06:31.33 | Deadalot | configure: error: FreeType2 is required to compile this library |
| 06:31.55 | Deadalot | # freetype-config --version |
| 06:31.55 | Deadalot | 9.16.3 |
| 06:31.58 | BulletCatcher | A "yum install ftgl-devel" should pull in most of the development dependencies you need. |
| 06:32.23 | Deadalot | fetching |
| 06:33.31 | Deadalot | configure: error: FreeType2 is required to compile this library |
| 06:33.31 | Deadalot | configure: error: ./configure failed for src/other/ftgl |
| 06:34.26 | BulletCatcher | Just to be thorough, do a "make distclean" and then go back and start with autogen.sh. |
| 06:36.01 | Deadalot | same |
| 06:36.18 | Deadalot | wait |
| 06:37.04 | Deadalot | I didn't read clearly. I'm doing autogen.sh now |
| 06:37.51 | BulletCatcher | xmag(1) is your friend ;-) |
| 06:41.49 | Deadalot | Ok, that did it. |
| 06:42.09 | Deadalot | I did a yum distupgrade the other day and that probably messed up all kinds of library links. |
| 06:42.19 | BulletCatcher | When you're not building, try a "yum install gcc-c++ ncurses-devel curl-devel SDL-devel ftgl-devel" command to see if you are missing any other devel packages. That should pull in all of the essentials. |
| 06:42.51 | Deadalot | Nothing to do |
| 06:42.58 | BulletCatcher | Then you're all set. |
| 06:43.14 | Deadalot | make -j 7 |
| 06:43.19 | BulletCatcher | ! |
| 06:43.29 | Deadalot | quad core |
| 06:43.39 | Deadalot | Fan kicked way up. cool |
| 06:44.14 | BulletCatcher | I started a build about 10 minutes ago, but you'll probably finish first. (1.8 GHz single core here) |
| 06:44.33 | Deadalot | gkrellm is pegged on all 4 |
| 06:45.32 | Deadalot | The distupgrade got me kde 4.1. They sure fixed a lot of stuff in that release. |
| 06:46.04 | BulletCatcher | Bloat. I use mwm (Motif). |
| 06:46.39 | Deadalot | I have a GeForce 9600. That makes it ok. |
| 06:46.52 | BulletCatcher | What version of ftgl do you have on F9? BZFlag wants it to be very recent. |
| 06:47.30 | Deadalot | $ rpm -qa | grep -i ftgl |
| 06:47.30 | Deadalot | ftgl-2.1.2-8.fc9.i386 |
| 06:47.30 | Deadalot | ftgl-devel-2.1.2-8.fc9.i386 |
| 06:48.11 | Deadalot | It's compiled |
| 06:48.39 | Deadalot | 5 minutes |
| 06:49.00 | BulletCatcher | :-) My build took 27 minutes, but I was doing other things so it got only 64% of the CPU. It usually takes about 17 minutes. You win. |
| 06:49.32 | Deadalot | I haven't bought a new computer in 10 years or more. Just patched stuff together to make one that works. |
| 06:49.42 | BulletCatcher | I have ftgl-2.1.2-6.fc8, so basically the same. BZFlag should choose to build its own. |
| 06:49.57 | Deadalot | This one was on woot for $599 and I couldn't resist. |
| 06:50.39 | Deadalot | Ok, thanks for the help |
| 06:50.43 | BulletCatcher | I built this one a couple of years ago, but it wasn't top of the line even then. I spent about $500, including $80 for the case. |
| 06:51.24 | Deadalot | This was a refurb gateway. When I got it I slipped the Linux disk into it and formatted Vista drives without booting them. |
| 06:51.26 | BulletCatcher | You're welcome. I'm glad there was an easy solution. |
| 06:51.57 | Deadalot | I tried Linux Mint on it but I like rpm based stuff because I understand it better. |
| 06:52.03 | Deadalot | Mint was ok, though. |
| 06:52.50 | BulletCatcher | I was using Red Hat at work before I got my own Linux computer, so Fedora was the logical choice. I have been happy with it. |
| 06:53.06 | Deadalot | I've been using and building and admining RH stuff for years. I have Centos on my server. |
| 06:54.45 | Deadalot | If I do a make install, it will replace my current client. I don't want to do that. where do the executables sit? No bin |
| 06:55.25 | BulletCatcher | By default configure will install under /usr/local. |
| 06:55.48 | Deadalot | Where does the compiler leave them? |
| 06:55.48 | BulletCatcher | In the source tree. |
| 06:55.52 | Deadalot | k |
| 06:55.57 | Macrosoft | Deadalot: if you only run make, the bin will be in the folder with the source |
| 06:56.47 | Macrosoft | the last 5 min of scrollback make me feel like im listening to an AA meeting |
| 06:56.59 | BulletCatcher | lol |
| 06:57.16 | Macrosoft | <bob>hi, im bob, and i use linux |
| 06:57.24 | Macrosoft | <all>hi bob |
| 06:57.30 | BulletCatcher | Hi. My name is BulletCatcher and I am a geek. |
| 06:58.10 | Deadalot | Hi, my name is Deadalot and I haven't run windows in 8 months... |
| 06:58.49 | Macrosoft | i started off with mandriva a while back, but ive stuck with ubuntu for the past several months |
| 06:59.16 | Deadalot | I like debian distributions. I just don't understand deb files like I do rpm's. |
| 06:59.32 | Deadalot | Ya gotta admin, Ubuntu has set the world on fire |
| 06:59.39 | Deadalot | Admit |
| 06:59.50 | BulletCatcher | My understanding is that any of the major distros are fine. The best choice is one that your friends can help you with. |
| 07:00.15 | Deadalot | I'm usually that guy for other people. |
| 07:00.16 | Macrosoft | Deadalot: i just like it because it isnt too hard to fix when i break it (which happens all the time) |
| 07:00.27 | Deadalot | smiles |
| 07:01.00 | Deadalot | I really whacked out my wifes XP computer tonight. I know what I'll be doing tomorrow night. |
| 07:01.14 | Deadalot | Loaded a driver and it went south. |
| 07:01.17 | BulletCatcher | Not getting lucky. |
| 07:01.19 | Deadalot | Won't boot. |
| 07:01.37 | Macrosoft | i managed to break the package system twice while i was trying to get internet |
| 07:02.32 | Macrosoft | Deadalot: with rpms, how does the package manager act when a conflict occurs? |
| 07:03.32 | Macrosoft | mine freaks and wont let me add or remove packages, and that makes it a pain |
| 07:04.01 | Deadalot | If you already have a duplicate, you can use rpm -qa | grep rpmname to find them both. |
| 07:04.22 | Deadalot | Then, you can use rpm -e rpmname.number.number.number.rpm to remove one of them. |
| 07:04.41 | Deadalot | I highlight it with a mouse and paste it. |
| 07:05.03 | Deadalot | If you use the short name without the version numbers, it will bitch and stop |
| 07:05.09 | Deadalot | $ ./bzflag |
| 07:05.09 | Deadalot | CONSTRUCTING FONT MANAGER |
| 07:05.09 | Deadalot | No fonts found (the -directory option may help). Exiting |
| 07:05.30 | Macrosoft | Deadalot: it wasnt a problem with duplicates, but the package i added was newer than some of the packages that depended on it |
| 07:06.03 | BulletCatcher | Deadalot: go to the top-level directory and run ./src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 07:06.26 | Deadalot | Macrosoft: You can -force it but I'd try to find the right one. |
| 07:06.34 | Deadalot | -force can get ugly fast. |
| 07:06.49 | BulletCatcher | Or ./bzflag -directory /top/level/dir/data will work too. |
| 07:07.13 | Macrosoft | Deadalot: force was my friend when that happened :) |
| 07:08.13 | Deadalot | Ok, it runs. Nasty shooshing sound from speaker, though. |
| 07:08.14 | BulletCatcher | I agree with Deadalot: avoid -force if at all possible. |
| 07:08.23 | Macrosoft | Deadalot: the wasy i fixed it was to upgraded all the packages that depended on it, and the conflict was gone |
| 07:08.33 | Deadalot | That's a common method. |
| 07:09.03 | Deadalot | Is sound messed up in 2.99?? |
| 07:09.17 | BulletCatcher | Not for me. Does sound work okay for you with bzflag 2.0.x? |
| 07:09.20 | Macrosoft | Deadalot: im suprised the manager didnt catch that before it installled |
| 07:10.03 | Deadalot | The manager depends on the guy that writes the manifest for the rpm. |
| 07:10.30 | BulletCatcher | When you start bzflag it reports the name of the sound driver. Is it the same between 2.0 and 2.99? |
| 07:10.45 | Deadalot | The manifest can be stupid or smart. That's why distributions work. They all repackage the distribution files with their own manifests to make it tighter. |
| 07:10.55 | Deadalot | The second time I started it it sounded fine. |
| 07:11.01 | BulletCatcher | k |
| 07:11.36 | Macrosoft | Deadalot: either way, dpkg works well for fixing those problems |
| 07:12.07 | Deadalot | dpkg depends on the manifest someone put into the deb file |
| 07:12.18 | Deadalot | Just like rpm. They can both be good or bad. |
| 07:12.30 | Deadalot | I've been in terrible corners with dpkg |
| 07:12.36 | Deadalot | and rpm |
| 07:13.07 | Deadalot | the debian team is rightfully strict on what makes it in. Probably the strictest of all the communities. |
| 07:13.17 | Deadalot | good for us. |
| 07:13.24 | Deadalot | Anyway, I gotta sleep. Later. |
| 07:13.29 | Deadalot | snoring |
| 07:13.35 | BulletCatcher | Me too. 'night. |
| 07:14.16 | Macrosoft | meh, i just got off work |
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| 12:34.38 | brlcad | heh, hrm |
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| 12:34.52 | brlcad | that's not very nice .. though they did give him plenty of time to change it |
| 12:35.29 | brlcad | RatOmeter: change your password before rejoining a channel :P |
| 12:35.48 | RatOmeter | trying, Chatzilla keeps reconnecting |
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| 18:04.16 | Mr_Burns | Is there a slash command to print the server message? |
| 18:10.19 | SpazzyMcGee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.22 | SpazzyMcGee | oh, wait, you mean print the -srvmsg |
| 18:12.10 | Mr_Burns | No. What I mean is, is there a way to repeat a server's joining message. |
| 18:12.18 | Mr_Burns | Yes, I think that's it. |
| 18:12.33 | Mr_Burns | (I've never run a server..) |
| 18:13.18 | SpazzyMcGee | I don't believe there is... try /srvmsg, or things to that effect. But as far as I know, there's no way to without just rejoining. |
| 18:13.29 | Mr_Burns | It'd be useful in-game to be able to say to a troublemaker "these are are the server rules" |
| 18:14.03 | SpazzyMcGee | you can send help files to people |
| 18:14.07 | Mr_Burns | Thanks. I'll have a trawl through the code. |
| 18:14.12 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.29 | Mr_Burns | BRB - food time here.. |
| 18:14.30 | SpazzyMcGee | KTL, that's the 15-minute message... |
| 18:14.39 | KTL | ah srry, command |
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| 18:53.35 | donny_baker | Mr_Burns: a good way to do this is with /sendhelp |
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| 18:54.10 | donny_baker | have a help file with the rules, and then it is /sendhelp <player|slot> <helptopic> |
| 18:55.53 | donny_baker | and having the rules as a help file also allows regular users to refer to them with '/help rules'as well |
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| 19:09.59 | SpazzyMcGee | donny, and idea is jeff going to be around soon? Does he normally get in around the same time? |
| 19:11.48 | donny_baker | he is usually around by this time.. bout 3 hours late |
| 19:12.44 | donny_baker | SpazzyMcGee: DTR isn't here either...wonders if the interwebz at their work is down or meetings |
| 19:13.13 | SpazzyMcGee | yeah |
| 19:13.32 | Erroneous | donny_baker: I'm not here? news to me... |
| 19:13.53 | donny_baker | you at home? isn't DTR your work persona |
| 19:14.05 | Erroneous | no, I'm the work persona...DTR is at home |
| 19:14.14 | Erroneous | and I'm not sure why he isn't connected ATM |
| 19:14.21 | donny_baker | ah.. got that backwards ;) |
| 19:14.39 | Erroneous | Jeff is having computer issues...IT said "hope you have good backups" ;) |
| 19:17.47 | donny_baker | and of course he does ;) |
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| 19:29.37 | brlcad | so it looks like cia may very well be moving to sf.net infrastructure sometime later this year or next year |
| 20:00.21 | Mr_Burns | Thanks, donny_baker |
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| 20:02.16 | Skeeve | Can anyone here tell me how to safely convert an interger to a std::string in C++? I know of sprintf( str, "%d", intgr), but is this the best, fastes or safest solution? |
| 20:18.13 | brlcad | Skeeve: "it depends" |
| 20:18.29 | brlcad | there's certainly nothing wrong, slow, or inherintly unsafe about sprintf |
| 20:18.35 | Skeeve | ...on? |
| 20:18.38 | Skeeve | okay |
| 20:18.42 | brlcad | on what you're trying to do |
| 20:18.52 | SportChick | hugs brlcad |
| 20:19.08 | Skeeve | but then I will have to create a char[7] or something and convert it to a std::string aferwards? |
| 20:19.15 | brlcad | that said, you can usually put numbers into strings using a stringstream pretty easily |
| 20:19.26 | brlcad | hugs SportChick |
| 20:19.31 | Skeeve | I simply have a positive integer and need a std::string |
| 20:19.35 | brlcad | how's it going sporty? |
| 20:20.05 | brlcad | what are you doing with the string? |
| 20:20.10 | Skeeve | okay. But when I do that, I get InputMenu.cxx:198: error: aggregate 'std::stringstream sstr' has incomplete type and cannot be defined |
| 20:20.11 | SportChick | well, other than a serious excel problem (dealing with in another channel), I'm ok :) how about you, brlcad ? |
| 20:20.21 | brlcad | sounds like you're missing a header |
| 20:20.29 | Skeeve | I thought so |
| 20:20.37 | Skeeve | # include <sstream> |
| 20:20.41 | Skeeve | I guess |
| 20:27.08 | brlcad | SportChick: oh, I'm doing pretty well |
| 20:27.18 | brlcad | busy end-of-year time at work |
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| 20:42.07 | Skeeve | Finally! Okay. Anyone interested in a short description of how I changed the joystick axis selection? |
| 20:45.02 | Skeeve | Erroneous? Isn't that your baby too? Joystick input? |
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| 22:54.28 | trepan | Skeeve: char[7] probably isn't enough (if you are to be safe) |
| 22:54.48 | trepan | use snprintf(), or a bigger buf |
| 22:55.02 | Skeeve | already used sstream |
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