| 00:01.53 | JeffM | brlcad, so once again, we can blame all the issues in the world on Git |
| 00:04.50 | Deadalot | Git. Begone. |
| 00:05.09 | Deadalot | says hi |
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| 03:26.50 | JeffM | ok, DTRemenak what's going on your card? |
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| 06:41.50 | bz31 | hi at all, i've a bzflag server name bzflag.debi4n.net. Recently there have been a number of issues with cheaters onthe server. How i can allow anyone to /poll kick? Thanks in advice, Luca |
| 06:44.13 | a_meteorite | bz31: add the pollKick and vote permissions to EVERYONE or LOCAL.GLOBAL (highly recommended, so only globally regged people can poll/vote) |
| 06:44.37 | a_meteorite | please be advised kicking is extremely ineffective against cheaters |
| 06:44.49 | a_meteorite | they will just rejoin, it's much better to poll ban, provided that people don't abuse it |
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| 06:47.24 | Skeeve | Good morning |
| 06:47.59 | Skeeve | brlcad? Lukstr? |
| 06:48.22 | Manu | a_meteorite: I have seen cheaters using polls too ;) |
| 06:48.39 | Skeeve | too |
| 06:48.49 | a_meteorite | Manu: except they don't get them passed :) |
| 06:48.58 | a_meteorite | unless you set your percentage too low |
| 06:49.07 | Skeeve | apropos cheaters: Christopher Reeve's wheelchair is still alive? |
| 06:49.19 | a_meteorite | many of them are one and the same |
| 06:50.18 | Manu | Skeeve: sure he is alive, but cheaters are like waves |
| 06:50.57 | Skeeve | I'm just asking because I didn't play for a long time. And if he is alive, I'm sure patching my client against him |
| 06:52.00 | a_meteorite | what will patching your client allow for? |
| 06:52.22 | Manu | cheating against the cheater probably ;) |
| 06:52.28 | Skeeve | sure |
| 06:52.48 | a_meteorite | Manu: sounds like a great way to stop them, I'm in! |
| 06:52.54 | a_meteorite | ;) |
| 06:53.13 | Skeeve | I call it an anti-cheater cheat. Of course one can use it against anyone and that's why I don't publish it. I use it just against cheaters |
| 06:53.14 | Manu | a_meteorite: instead of kicking/banning them I use /kill with educative messages ;) |
| 06:53.23 | a_meteorite | that's always fun, hah |
| 06:53.35 | a_meteorite | they get really mad when you become in control |
| 06:53.47 | a_meteorite | "/kill cheater You died there!" |
| 06:54.04 | Manu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.50 | Flash | Skeeve: cheating is cheating, no matter how "justified" |
| 06:55.05 | a_meteorite | Fight fire with ... fire? |
| 06:55.11 | a_meteorite | Sounds like a way to get burned to me. |
| 06:55.21 | Flash | /bans cheaters |
| 06:55.29 | Manu | cheaters aren't a big problem if you have enough cops |
| 06:56.42 | Manu | subtle cheats are worse |
| 06:56.46 | a_meteorite | on that note, you're free to use BZFX groups - we only got the best :) |
| 06:57.03 | a_meteorite | (several servers do this too) |
| 07:02.38 | Constitution | did you ever take nightmare out of your groups? :P |
| 07:03.18 | Constitution | aka DominatioN |
| 07:04.49 | a_meteorite | yeah.. |
| 07:04.59 | a_meteorite | some of them have infiltrated deep, they have many usernames |
| 07:05.13 | a_meteorite | though that's the first breach I've ever had |
| 07:08.05 | a_meteorite | as far as I could tell he hadn't caused any damage either, fyi :) |
| 07:08.40 | Constitution | yeah I was teasing |
| 07:09.15 | a_meteorite | :P |
| 07:38.52 | a_meteorite | hits the sack |
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| 08:00.31 | Skeeve | ~pastebin |
| 08:00.32 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 09:06.15 | Skeeve | anyone around knowing how to handle the build/makefiles for bzflag? I posted a bug on sourceforge with my workaround: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2117545&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
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| 12:57.34 | spldart | Hehe.. 'Cheating against the cheater' Another dude and I got scolded for seriously considering and testing some hacks to allow us to take the fun outta cheaters. Only thing is it depended on the honesty of the anti cheater cheater. Otherwise your just a simple cheater too ;) |
| 13:04.26 | Skeeve | Me? |
| 13:05.14 | Skeeve | Sure. If I anti-cheater cheat, I'm a cheater too. |
| 13:06.53 | Skeeve | Hmm⦠Maybe we could add an anticheater cheat into the client that's activated by the server? |
| 13:07.56 | Skeeve | I.e. if the admin notices a cheater he can "burn" the callsign by telling all clients which shoots to ignore |
| 13:08.32 | Skeeve | Or even mor easy: It can simply not forward cheaters bullets to others than to the cheater himself |
| 13:16.32 | _Lukstr | kicks and bans should be sufficient |
| 13:16.51 | Skeeve | No. I beg to differ. |
| 13:17.09 | Skeeve | If you're kicked or banned, you come back with another callsign |
| 13:17.11 | _Lukstr | Anything beyond that and the server operators are the ones who are cheating |
| 13:17.26 | Skeeve | If your shots are ignored, you won't notice at once |
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| 13:20.59 | bz47 | hi at all. anyone know how i can allow pollkick privileges globally to users of my server? |
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| 13:25.47 | BulletCatcher | bz47: Add the line "EVERYONE: POLLKICK" to your groups file and restart the server. This will allow even unregistered players to vote to kick. |
| 13:26.57 | temp_dist | bz47: here's the list of permissions you can give to the different groups of folks |
| 13:26.57 | temp_dist | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Server_Permissions |
| 13:27.31 | temp_dist | I'd suggest giving pollkick to the VERIFIED group - so only the registered players can start a poll |
| 13:28.09 | temp_dist | also, pollkick is virtually useless, as the kicked player can just rejoin - pollban is more effective |
| 13:28.33 | temp_dist | and pollkill is just plain fun :) |
| 13:28.40 | bz47 | thanks |
| 13:29.17 | spldart | I guess we are in one of those 'waves' of cheaters right now? |
| 13:29.37 | temp_dist | students starting classes again... |
| 13:29.45 | Skeeve | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=128380#128380 |
| 13:29.51 | spldart | Ah |
| 13:30.39 | spldart | Yeah.. Schools started 2 to 4 weeks ago around here. Hehe. And now everyone is having a 1 week vacation because of the devestation. :) |
| 13:31.18 | bz47 | can i give "EVERYONE: POLLKICK" without restart server? |
| 13:31.43 | temp_dist | i don't think so, no |
| 13:31.48 | brad | you can use /reload groupdb |
| 13:31.55 | temp_dist | ah eya |
| 13:32.07 | brad | I think that's it, anyway |
| 13:33.23 | BulletCatcher | Addendum: add "EVERYONE: POLLKICK VOTE" to allow all players to both start the poll and to vote. |
| 13:33.33 | spldart | Hrm. Couldn't remember if a 'update so and so DB' would work |
| 13:34.04 | brad | if not `/reload all` will do it |
| 13:35.22 | BulletCatcher | The in-game admin command seems to be "/reload groups". |
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| 13:42.00 | BulletCatcher | Skeeve, thanks for SF bug report 2117545 regarding your freetype compilation problem. |
| 13:42.01 | BulletCatcher | I am looking for a proper solution, but my MacBook is at the office so I won't be able to test for several hours. |
| 13:44.48 | Skeeve | Hi BulletCatcher! Thanks for the feedback! If you like, you might as well tell me what to test |
| 13:47.16 | BulletCatcher | Before I get too far into it, please go to the top-level directory and do this sequence of commands to rebuild entirely: make distclean; autogen.sh; ./configure; make |
| 13:47.17 | BulletCatcher | This will remove your changed Makefile, but will ensure that you have a "clean" build. |
| 13:51.11 | Skeeve | configure should fail |
| 13:51.48 | BulletCatcher | If you could pastebin the configure output that would be helpful. |
| 13:52.08 | Skeeve | I think it will be the same as I already pasted |
| 13:52.18 | Skeeve | Link was in the bugreport |
| 13:52.25 | BulletCatcher | looks |
| 13:52.36 | Skeeve | But autogen just started. We'll see |
| 13:53.32 | BulletCatcher | The pastebin in the bug report is a snippet of "make" output. |
| 13:55.23 | Skeeve | Ah! Right! Sorry! |
| 13:55.30 | BulletCatcher | np |
| 13:56.07 | Skeeve | configure had just 3 lines (IIRC) of error output so I didn't paste |
| 13:58.04 | Skeeve | checking for FreeType -- version >= 9.0.3... no |
| 13:58.04 | Skeeve | configure: error: FreeType2 is required to compile this library |
| 13:58.04 | Skeeve | configure: error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for src/other/ftgl |
| 13:58.38 | Skeeve | this was the point where blast007 told me to --enable-freetype-build |
| 14:00.39 | BulletCatcher | It would help if I could see the error message in context. Can you pastebin the entire output of configure? |
| 14:07.16 | Skeeve | okay. I let it run again and redirect the output to a file |
| 14:07.26 | Skeeve | shall I make distclean again? |
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| 14:08.10 | BulletCatcher | Yes, please do another "make distclean" before re-running configure. |
| 14:11.15 | Skeeve | make distclean... strange error message: txtmake[3]: *** No rule to make target `distclean'. Stop |
| 14:11.33 | Skeeve | or is ist just that one part has no distclean? |
| 14:12.16 | BulletCatcher | Each Makefile should have a distclean target. Which directory was that in? |
| 14:12.41 | Skeeve | don't know |
| 14:12.42 | Skeeve | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `distclean'. Stop. |
| 14:12.42 | Skeeve | make[2]: *** [distclean-recursive] Error 1 |
| 14:12.42 | Skeeve | make[1]: *** [distclean-recursive] Error 1 |
| 14:12.42 | Skeeve | make: *** [distclean-recursive] Error 1 |
| 14:13.28 | Skeeve | Ah! |
| 14:13.29 | Skeeve | $ make distclean |
| 14:13.29 | Skeeve | Making distclean in BZFlag.xcodeproj |
| 14:13.29 | Skeeve | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `distclean'. Stop. |
| 14:13.29 | Skeeve | make: *** [distclean-recursive] Error 1 |
| 14:14.13 | BulletCatcher | Okay, ignore that for now and proceed with the "configure" command. |
| 14:22.54 | Skeeve | does file sending work? |
| 14:23.21 | Skeeve | No problem if not. But the output is 26k. |
| 14:23.33 | BulletCatcher | That's about the size I expect. |
| 14:23.53 | Skeeve | you don't get a message that I try to send a file to you? |
| 14:24.26 | Skeeve | ~pastebin |
| 14:24.27 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 14:24.46 | BulletCatcher | I don't see anything via IRC, if that's what you mean. |
| 14:25.08 | Skeeve | Okay. |
| 14:25.13 | Skeeve | http://rafb.net/p/oz3qHt65.html |
| 14:25.36 | Skeeve | I installed a new IRC client and sending files is a feature of this client |
| 14:25.50 | Skeeve | Seems to be non-standard. good to know |
| 14:26.01 | BulletCatcher | I see the attempt to send, but my client does not support it. |
| 14:26.42 | Skeeve | so now you see the error in line 656 ff? |
| 14:27.25 | BulletCatcher | Yes, I see it. Thanks. |
| 14:31.46 | BulletCatcher | Okay, I will have to compare your output to mine after I bring home my MacBook. That may be as much as 16 hours from now. |
| 14:33.17 | Skeeve | 32-24⦠6 in the morning here |
| 14:34.02 | BulletCatcher | I am in California, where it is 7:34 AM right now. |
| 14:34.07 | Skeeve | but what's the problem here? I mean: If I don't --enable-freetype-build, I don't expect configure to tell me something different |
| 14:34.26 | Skeeve | There is no freetype on my 10.4.11 OS X |
| 14:35.05 | Skeeve | and if I add --enable-freetype-build configure finishes okay |
| 14:35.16 | BulletCatcher | The top-level configure correctly determines that FreeType is missing, but that information is not being passed down to FTGL. It works for me, so I need to figure out why it doesn't work for you. |
| 14:35.42 | Skeeve | Ah! You mean that the --enable-freetype-build should be done automagically? |
| 14:35.58 | BulletCatcher | Yes. And it does that for me. |
| 14:36.19 | BulletCatcher | But my mac is Intel and yours is PowerPC. |
| 14:36.34 | Skeeve | Okay then. Shall I add soe options to configure or autogen (like --verbose) to get more information out? |
| 14:36.44 | Skeeve | Yes. I have a PPC |
| 14:37.04 | Skeeve | and I guess you have loepard? |
| 14:37.14 | BulletCatcher | I also have 10.4.11 and xcode 2.5, so those are the same. |
| 14:37.43 | Skeeve | stop 2.5 doesn't work |
| 14:38.01 | Skeeve | I tried it but 2.5 does not support libtool / libtoolize |
| 14:38.29 | Skeeve | 2.4.1 works. I compiled bz 2.0.13 with it |
| 14:39.10 | Skeeve | More about that can be found here http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11845 |
| 14:40.11 | BulletCatcher | You should be able to compile 2.0.10 with xcode 2.5 by starting with the tarball and then going straight to configure. As you noted, autogen.sh fails but you don't need to run it. |
| 14:40.47 | Skeeve | so libtool is just used by autogen? |
| 14:41.00 | BulletCatcher | I think so. |
| 14:41.11 | Skeeve | And autogen is only needed when trying an svn build? |
| 14:41.16 | BulletCatcher | Yes. |
| 14:41.23 | Skeeve | So I need 2.4.1 ;-) |
| 14:41.48 | Skeeve | Otherwise I won't be able to test 2.99 / 3.0 |
| 14:42.53 | BulletCatcher | As I said, it works for me. We need to figure out what what is different between our two Macs. |
| 14:47.47 | BulletCatcher | Silly me. I just remembered that my Mac testing of 2.99 is always of a tarball that I create on a Linux system. That's why I don't encounter the libtool problem. |
| 14:51.25 | BulletCatcher | On the Linux system I do a "make dist-bzip2", then transfer bzflag-2.99.7.tar.bz2 to the Mac, then build that. It works because no autogen.sh is required. |
| 14:51.25 | Skeeve | ;-) So you will uninstall XCode 2.5 in about 16 hours I guess |
| 14:52.18 | Skeeve | sudo /Developer/Library/uninstall-devtools |
| 14:53.58 | Skeeve | you know where to get 2.4.1? |
| 14:54.18 | BulletCatcher | No. A pointer would help. |
| 14:54.29 | Skeeve | Try this http://connect.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/MemberSite.woa/302/wa/download?path=%2FDeveloper_Tools%2Fxcode_2.4.1%2Fxcode_2.4.1_8m1910_6936315.dmg&wosid=n61Wrjbllqy52g5pdlmIdwzOo9x |
| 14:54.42 | BulletCatcher | Okay, thanks. |
| 14:54.44 | Skeeve | You need an account |
| 14:54.50 | BulletCatcher | I have one already. |
| 14:54.53 | Skeeve | Okay |
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| 14:55.21 | Skeeve | So please try the link. If it doesn't work, I tell you how to navigate to it |
| 14:56.40 | BulletCatcher | I'll try it when my MacBook and I are together. |
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| 15:11.44 | tupone | libtool/automake/autoconf (possibly run by autogen) are needed to put in the source tree some file that are needed at configure time. Once you have the source tree with those file, the tools are not needed in the system. A tar.gz like the bzflag-one that are on SF has been put in a "ready to configure" status before uploading |
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| 17:00.13 | MindstormsKid | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Flag_Ideas/Rejected |
| 17:01.22 | JeffM | what about it? |
| 17:02.12 | MindstormsKid | i just made it, i thought someone might want to know ^_^ |
| 17:02.19 | JeffM | fun |
| 17:02.27 | MindstormsKid | :( |
| 17:02.35 | JeffM | did you clear those entries out of the main list? |
| 17:02.44 | MindstormsKid | yep |
| 17:02.50 | JeffM | good |
| 17:03.02 | MindstormsKid | the main list WAS 91 kilobytes long :/ |
| 17:03.13 | JeffM | the horror |
| 17:03.38 | MindstormsKid | now it's only 89 :P |
| 17:03.42 | JeffM | I'm not entirely shure why it's a table, I think I'd prefer it if it was just a number of sub headings |
| 17:03.55 | MindstormsKid | *sure |
| 17:04.00 | JeffM | and then we just move them to various sub pages instead of changing the color |
| 17:04.29 | MindstormsKid | some of the rejection reasons are terrible :| |
| 17:04.37 | JeffM | like? |
| 17:04.47 | MindstormsKid | hang on |
| 17:05.14 | MindstormsKid | "too mean" |
| 17:05.34 | MindstormsKid | "lame"?! |
| 17:05.48 | JeffM | some ideas are just lame |
| 17:06.23 | MindstormsKid | :P |
| 17:06.51 | MindstormsKid | "When this flag is held, your tank becomes 1.5 (to 2) times wider. However, you are able to shoot two bullets at the cost of one (like a dual fighter in Galaga). " is not lame... |
| 17:07.14 | JeffM | yeah that's prety lame |
| 17:07.32 | JeffM | when you are just trying to replicate something from another came, that is lame |
| 17:07.51 | MindstormsKid | you have bad spelling today :D |
| 17:07.59 | JeffM | I have bad sspelling every day |
| 17:08.05 | MindstormsKid | oh |
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| 17:08.44 | MindstormsKid | who does the rejecting, anyway? |
| 17:09.06 | JeffM | developers |
| 17:09.11 | JeffM | I do a number of them |
| 17:09.27 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 17:09.50 | MindstormsKid | what is the "+" or "-" thing next to the name? |
| 17:10.14 | JeffM | if it's a good or bad flag |
| 17:10.27 | MindstormsKid | ohh |
| 17:11.18 | MindstormsKid | why can't i tank go full speed backward? it's always annoyed me :( |
| 17:12.29 | JeffM | because the game is designed that way |
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| 17:23.50 | BulletCatcher | MindstormsKid: Real cars are designed not to go as fast backward as they do forward for safety. I suspect that it is the same for real tanks, so consider it a bit of realism. |
| 17:24.03 | MindstormsKid | erm |
| 17:24.21 | MindstormsKid | tanks can go through eachother :P |
| 17:24.40 | BulletCatcher | Yes. Not everything about BZFlag is realistic. ;-) |
| 17:25.24 | JeffM | hence why he said "a bit" |
| 17:26.47 | BulletCatcher | wonders if there is a Bondurant Tank Driving School |
| 17:27.37 | MindstormsKid | wonders what "Bondurant" means |
| 17:28.43 | BulletCatcher | suggests http://www.bondurant.com/ |
| 17:29.02 | MindstormsKid | :D |
| 17:29.37 | MindstormsKid | points to BZFlag Olympics |
| 17:29.43 | MindstormsKid | :P |
| 17:30.24 | MindstormsKid | but that was easy ^_^ |
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| 18:26.28 | Skeeve | bzflag 2.0.13 self-compiled doesn't start. Console says: No fonts found (the -directory option may help). Exiting |
| 18:26.40 | Skeeve | Question: Which directory should I specify? |
| 18:26.53 | Skeeve | Mac OS X 10.4.11 btw. |
| 18:29.22 | Skeeve | ah! No! Version 2.99 of bzflag! |
| 18:30.15 | Skeeve | No. both ;-/ |
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| 18:37.25 | JeffM | the data dir |
| 18:37.44 | JeffM | the mac version by default looks for the dir structure of the .app |
| 18:37.54 | JeffM | when it is run form the source tree you have to tell it where the data is |
| 18:40.29 | JeffM | ether that or move the executable to the root of the source tree and run it from there |
| 18:40.48 | JeffM | since it will look in the running dir for ./data as well |
| 18:41.19 | Skeeve | okay |
| 18:41.28 | Skeeve | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.34 | JeffM | there is no try |
| 18:41.53 | Skeeve | BTW: Do you know this lame site I just found when googling for a solution: http://bzflagcheat.blogspot.com/ |
| 18:42.03 | JeffM | we do |
| 18:42.07 | JeffM | please do not discuss it here |
| 18:42.12 | JeffM | we don't condone cheating |
| 18:44.08 | Skeeve | Neither do I (partly ;-)) |
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| 18:45.18 | Skeeve | you said, Jeff, the mac version by default looks for the dir structure of the .app |
| 18:45.28 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:45.30 | Skeeve | So I could move data into the .app |
| 18:45.32 | Skeeve | ? |
| 18:45.42 | JeffM | if the .app was of the same version |
| 18:45.54 | JeffM | for 2.99 you don't have a an app with the corret stuff |
| 18:45.57 | Skeeve | yes. It is |
| 18:45.59 | JeffM | correct stuff |
| 18:46.05 | JeffM | but sure |
| 18:46.17 | Skeeve | 2.0.13 is the version I'm testing right now |
| 18:46.17 | JeffM | just replace the executable and it should work |
| 18:47.08 | Skeeve | ähm⦠Sorry. The executable was build by me. I got a .app from that. and this .app is missing the data directory. Correct? |
| 18:47.27 | Skeeve | So I have to copy data ito bzflag.app/Contents/...somewhere? |
| 18:47.52 | JeffM | probably |
| 18:47.56 | JeffM | compare it to a valid app |
| 18:48.00 | JeffM | I don't know how it's setup |
| 18:48.05 | Skeeve | I like clear answers ;-) |
| 18:48.20 | JeffM | I don't use a mac |
| 18:48.25 | JeffM | not since I sold mine |
| 18:50.49 | Skeeve | no problem. I didn't find the correct location yet |
| 18:53.12 | Skeeve | hmm⦠couldn't find it |
| 18:53.20 | Skeeve | I'll check the source ⦠later |
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| 19:11.16 | Skeeve | got it! |
| 19:11.40 | Skeeve | not cp -r data BZflag.app/Contents/â¦somewhere |
| 19:12.01 | Skeeve | But cp -r data/* BZflag.app/Contents/Resources/ |
| 19:13.17 | Pryon | Interesting. Every program has an associated directory structure? Or is this just something that happens with stuff you compile yourself? |
| 19:15.13 | Winny | Pryon: all apps have it |
| 19:15.16 | Pryon | I guess it's similar to X and app-defaults |
| 19:15.31 | JeffM | the .app on a mac is actualy a folder |
| 19:15.48 | Winny | right click on any .app and "View Package Contents" |
| 19:15.56 | JeffM | it can have one of a number of apple folder layouts depending on it's version |
| 19:16.04 | JeffM | and the packag descriptors |
| 19:17.43 | Skeeve | I like this OS X feature of .app being a folder. |
| 19:21.36 | JeffM | it's so you can do the drag "install" |
| 19:22.06 | JeffM | tends to dupe code in some cases tho |
| 19:22.27 | JeffM | like each package for bzflag includes the SDL frameworks over and over again |
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| 19:27.12 | Pryon | I suppose trading disk space in order to not have to deal with shared-object dependency nightmares is justified if you need things to just work, period. I'm probably misunderstanding. |
| 19:28.14 | Skeeve | In these days of terrabyte hard discs for less than 100 Euro, I think one can live with code duplication |
| 19:29.04 | Skeeve | OTOH You still can remove the files from the package and link to wherever you want the shared files to be. |
| 19:29.48 | Pryon | I was about to say something along the lines of "such inefficiency is grating". On the other hand, some incredibly sophisticated organic systems are "wasteful" in this way and they do just fine. |
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| 21:48.47 | JeffM | donny_baker, we don't do what QueenAnnsRvnge9 is requesting because we don't know if they play using the name |
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| 22:26.31 | blast007 | JeffM: technically, I think we can find out |
| 22:26.50 | blast007 | the token has a timestamp |
| 22:29.19 | JeffM | blast007, yeah but we should not do that |
| 23:09.38 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: Rrrrrready for tomorrrrrrrrrrrow? |
| 23:13.56 | spldart | 'Today is the tomorrow we talked about yesterday.' |
| 23:51.40 | donny_baker | JeffM: exactly, that is why i was asking him how he knows, because even we can't tell |