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| 00:42.20 | spldart | Is it possible, in stable client, to have a GM fired at you... see it track YOU... and never get a lock siren? |
| 00:42.44 | spldart | Track all the way to kill.. with no one near to track but you |
| 00:52.47 | JBdiGriz | I've seen that happen. I suspect it's a bug in the client. |
| 00:53.16 | JBdiGriz | Did you get a lock messages? |
| 00:58.38 | spldart | Ah nutz... |
| 00:58.47 | spldart | I think that came up before |
| 00:59.09 | spldart | me not 'noting' the messages when i didn't hear the specific .wav |
| 00:59.19 | spldart | Sry didn't look |
| 00:59.24 | spldart | and of course it's to late now |
| 01:00.04 | spldart | I wish there was a way to have the client keep a 'log' of messages for the past someodd minutes. |
| 01:01.24 | spldart | ... Saw the missle to late. Took the usual turn at 90 degrees of missle trajectory in forward full speed. but to late. |
| 01:02.03 | spldart | Sucker tracked right into me. Was watching radar.. if there was another tanker near me he was ST so it was a non issue |
| 01:03.08 | temp_dist | there is a command to save the console messages, IIRC |
| 01:03.17 | spldart | Is it possible for whateva bit of code that playbacks the wavs during client operation to get overwhelmed on a slightly slower machine and some wavs never even get initiated? |
| 01:03.41 | temp_dist | or you could start the client with command line and use -echo and tee |
| 01:03.49 | spldart | say 2ghz of k7 on a 5200 FX card |
| 01:03.57 | spldart | Ah |
| 01:03.58 | spldart | hrm |
| 01:04.34 | spldart | That assumes I always start waiting for the once in a long while bug doesn't it :-/ Poopies |
| 01:04.58 | spldart | needs to get back on his faster rig |
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| 01:09.55 | JBdiGriz | If the player is good, he will wait to lock until it's too late for you to do much. |
| 01:11.43 | spldart | True that.. |
| 01:12.15 | spldart | But in this case I watched it track on radar.. took evasive.. but noted no klaxon warning |
| 01:12.32 | spldart | anywho.... I got -echo on my shortcut but tee? |
| 01:12.55 | spldart | is in windows @ the moment |
| 01:13.06 | spldart | 2.0.10 |
| 01:13.57 | spldart | Hrm.. maybe some missle war :) |
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| 01:42.42 | delusional | AAA_awright.. can you tell me how many unique users there are on a single day at mofo? |
| 01:43.24 | AAA_awright | delusional: I can tell you how many unique callsigns, yes |
| 01:43.47 | delusional | thought so... could you please do so? |
| 01:43.58 | blast007 | short_circuit: the windows client outputs to a stdout.txt file in the install directory, but it overwrites it every time |
| 01:44.10 | AAA_awright | delusional: For what servers, or pattern? |
| 01:44.19 | delusional | mofo 4200 |
| 01:51.21 | AAA_awright | delusional: about 652 |
| 01:51.51 | delusional | thankyou sir |
| 01:53.10 | delusional | just the info i was looking for |
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| 03:50.16 | Macrosoft | ~ping |
| 03:50.16 | ibot | ~pong |
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| 04:41.21 | Flash | JeffM: happy day after your birthday |
| 04:41.32 | JeffM | heh, thanks |
| 04:41.47 | Flash | blast007: how and when do you decide to post pre-alpha versions |
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| 04:42.37 | blast007 | I roll a dice, and if it comes up 4, I build |
| 04:42.43 | Flash | hugs CIA-48 |
| 04:42.45 | CIA-48 | hugs Flash |
| 04:43.06 | Flash | whenever 4 comes up, I'll be happy to contribute a MacOS build |
| 04:43.28 | blast007 | has protocol been broken since my most recent version? |
| 04:43.42 | Flash | don't know, when was that? |
| 04:44.07 | blast007 | the 7th |
| 04:44.10 | Flash | looks like we are still at .7 |
| 04:44.40 | blast007 | yeah, and I don't recall seeing any changes in my svn up that dealt with that |
| 04:44.51 | blast007 | think it was just freetype mainly |
| 04:47.08 | Flash | cool, I think I figured out how to add mouse click support to the menus |
| 04:48.54 | Flash | or not |
| 04:49.02 | Flash | hates graphics programming |
| 04:49.36 | JeffM | don't commit it |
| 04:49.47 | Flash | no worries |
| 04:49.49 | JeffM | it's the way it is by design |
| 04:49.56 | JeffM | so you can drive and shoot in the menus |
| 04:50.06 | Flash | even the server list? |
| 04:50.09 | JeffM | yep |
| 04:50.12 | Flash | ok |
| 04:50.34 | JeffM | we just need to hide that cursor |
| 06:13.41 | Flash | can anyone defend the "isnan" defines in common.h? |
| 06:14.06 | Flash | Looks like there's a logic leak in detecting if isnan is defined or not |
| 06:15.35 | Flash | specifically, if the OS already defines isnan, why are we undefining and redefining it? |
| 06:29.48 | BulletCatcher | Hard to figure out what is going on there, especially since configure already tests for a working isnan using m4/isnan.m4 . |
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| 06:32.25 | Deadalot | Anyone here? |
| 06:32.42 | BulletCatcher | Yes. |
| 06:32.59 | Deadalot | Is there a master ban list I can subscribe to? |
| 06:33.19 | Flash | yes |
| 06:33.40 | Deadalot | Are there details about this somewhere, I've never found them. |
| 06:33.49 | BulletCatcher | bzfs uses http://bzflag.org/master-bans.txt by default. |
| 06:34.14 | Deadalot | ok, I've been running Eria Ziel for a few years and I get a lot of cheats on there. |
| 06:34.33 | Deadalot | I'm doing IP segment bans at the firewall for now, but it's a big pain. |
| 06:34.46 | Flash | add -masterBanURL http://bzflag.org/master-bans.txt to your config |
| 06:35.00 | Deadalot | ok |
| 06:35.28 | Flash | the details are best (currently) documented in the sample config file that comes with the 2.99 source |
| 06:35.36 | Flash | I haven't gotten around to updating the wiki |
| 06:35.48 | BulletCatcher | The master-bans.txt file is not kept up-to-the-minute, so many cheaters are already at some other non-listed IP address. |
| 06:36.11 | Flash | oh.... the -masterBanURL should only need to be provided if you want a different one |
| 06:36.19 | Flash | I don't know how/if 2.0.10 does it |
| 06:36.32 | BulletCatcher | 2.0 and trunk work the same. |
| 06:36.36 | Deadalot | So I can just add -masterBanURL ? |
| 06:36.51 | Flash | unless you already have one, you shouldn't need to? |
| 06:36.52 | BulletCatcher | You can, but I don't think it will make a difference. |
| 06:37.08 | Deadalot | I see badgerking is down for good. Bummed. |
| 06:37.34 | BulletCatcher | Yes. That was a favorite site for many. |
| 06:38.53 | Deadalot | Also, it seems that the running map doesn't remember bans. What about that? |
| 06:39.12 | Flash | you need -banfile somefile or bans aren't saved |
| 06:39.17 | Deadalot | k |
| 06:39.50 | Deadalot | Is there some anti cheat stuff coming? |
| 06:40.28 | BulletCatcher | Yes, but it is a long way off at our current rate of development. |
| 06:40.29 | Flash | there is no anti-cheat that can't be anti-anti-cheated |
| 06:40.39 | Deadalot | yeah, I get that. I'm a programmer |
| 06:40.49 | temp_dist | oooh |
| 06:41.00 | Deadalot | not a brag |
| 06:42.04 | BulletCatcher | We would welcome your help. |
| 06:42.32 | Deadalot | I've often thought about it. I started writing ansi C about 25 years ago. |
| 06:42.46 | Deadalot | But I'm an old fart. |
| 06:42.57 | BulletCatcher | Many of us are. |
| 06:43.02 | Flash | I am |
| 06:43.05 | Flash | passes gas |
| 06:43.05 | Deadalot | cool |
| 06:43.08 | Deadalot | lol |
| 06:43.28 | Deadalot | passes out |
| 06:44.22 | Deadalot | I guess a good read of the code would be a starting point. |
| 06:44.28 | BulletCatcher | My first significant exposure to C++ was when I started contributing to BZFlag a few months ago. It is quite a shock for an old C programmer, but I am learning slowly. |
| 06:45.09 | Deadalot | I'm writing in c# and other stuff these days, I left C++ a few years back, but I can do it ok. |
| 06:45.27 | Flash | ~lart windows |
| 06:45.27 | ibot | slams windows against a large cement Tux |
| 06:45.33 | Flash | doesn't do windows |
| 06:45.40 | BulletCatcher | lol at ibot |
| 06:45.45 | Flash | ironic, no? |
| 06:45.54 | Deadalot | ok by me. I'm running linux here, but I work for Walt Disney World, so they get to call the shots there. |
| 06:46.09 | Flash | yes, we do a lot for the almighty $$ |
| 06:46.15 | Deadalot | It sucks |
| 06:46.21 | Flash | I got so good at writing code, I don't get to do it anymore |
| 06:46.28 | Deadalot | Windows is a beliggerent creature at best. |
| 06:46.32 | Flash | the Peter Principle applies |
| 06:46.43 | Deadalot | So, you're incompetent now? |
| 06:46.48 | Flash | getting there |
| 06:46.56 | Flash | I think one more promotion (maybe 2) |
| 06:47.02 | Deadalot | I refused to go to management. I hate that shit. |
| 06:47.11 | Flash | I'm not; I'm an architect |
| 06:47.21 | Flash | but I spend all my time shepherding others |
| 06:47.26 | Deadalot | I'm stuck where i'm at without going into management. |
| 06:47.38 | Deadalot | It's a living. Then I come home and play. |
| 06:48.04 | Flash | that's one reason I got involved in developing bzflag |
| 06:48.17 | Deadalot | Sounds interesting. |
| 06:48.41 | Deadalot | So I can develop GM/LA/SW/BU flag... ;-) |
| 06:48.57 | Flash | you can..... probably won't be accepted into the baseline |
| 06:49.07 | Deadalot | Oh, wait. That's what I was bitching about... |
| 06:49.17 | Flash | yes, they are programmers too ;-) |
| 06:50.23 | Deadalot | agreed. I really don't know what I'd do. I don't have a specific desire to change something. I'm always amazed at what some map designers can do with the latest version. |
| 06:50.35 | Deadalot | I just like to play it a lot. |
| 06:51.05 | BulletCatcher | My main motivation to get involved was to stop some of the cheating. |
| 06:51.13 | Deadalot | I hear that. |
| 06:51.23 | Deadalot | I'll look at the code. |
| 06:51.42 | BulletCatcher | ~bzsvn |
| 06:51.46 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 06:52.16 | Deadalot | I've managed a couple of large and long running open source projects. Maybe I can help there. |
| 06:53.29 | BulletCatcher | One way to get started is to pick an easy-sounding bug from the SourceForge and see if you can fix it. |
| 06:53.31 | Deadalot | here comes the code |
| 06:53.49 | Deadalot | Ok, that's a good idea |
| 06:53.52 | BulletCatcher | Feel free to hang out here in #bzflag and ask questions. |
| 06:54.12 | Deadalot | k |
| 06:55.10 | BulletCatcher | Note that the trunk code is not protocol-compatible with the current 2.0.x servers, so testing it is somewhat limited. |
| 06:55.34 | BulletCatcher | The BUGS file also has notes about problems that need to be solved. |
| 06:55.35 | Deadalot | I have to compile both anyway to test changes. |
| 06:56.46 | BulletCatcher | You understand. Good. :-) |
| 06:56.57 | Deadalot | I have a big server on a fat pipe also. |
| 06:57.00 | Deadalot | My own. |
| 06:57.18 | Deadalot | Quad core xeon and dedicated 100mbps link |
| 06:57.22 | BulletCatcher | Cool. |
| 06:57.24 | Deadalot | I run some web serving. |
| 06:57.29 | Deadalot | on the side |
| 06:57.47 | Deadalot | It runs my map really great. never any jitter |
| 06:58.10 | Deadalot | I was going to try to get the badgerking map and run it on there. |
| 06:58.36 | Deadalot | There's one running now, but the physics are wrong. |
| 06:58.51 | Deadalot | Someone switching between bk and mad city |
| 06:59.28 | Deadalot | Checked out revision 18554. |
| 06:59.53 | BulletCatcher | Someone else is interested in doing the same thing, but apparently Badgeking himself has been hard to reach to get permission to host his map. |
| 07:00.49 | BulletCatcher | r18854 should compile with little difficulty. |
| 07:01.41 | Deadalot | Has this been run through codeguard or anything like that? |
| 07:02.26 | Deadalot | Something must have pissed him really off. |
| 07:04.21 | Deadalot | I'll try to look at that banlist bug. |
| 07:04.35 | Deadalot | Give me a few days to get into it. |
| 07:05.02 | BulletCatcher | Probably no codeguard has been used. Valgrind has been mentioned a time or two. |
| 07:05.38 | Deadalot | I wonder if that bug persists a server restart. It looks like it's in memory somewhere. |
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| 07:07.47 | BulletCatcher | I haven't looked at that specific bug, but I suspect that trying to track it down will give you a good look at the codebase. |
| 07:08.06 | Deadalot | Maybe the bzadmin responsiveness bug is something i can look at later. I doubt I'll be good for much in the rendering engine. |
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| 07:08.52 | Deadalot | Ok, I'll hang here for a few days instead of playing. that will give me time to do the code thing. |
| 07:08.57 | BulletCatcher | There are bugs for almost every interest. ;-) |
| 07:09.04 | Deadalot | lol |
| 07:09.33 | Deadalot | I'm kinda the go to guy at work in a department of about 50 people. I certainly can identify with that. |
| 07:10.26 | Deadalot | I write automation utilities mostly. Make things bulletproof as much as possible so idiots can use it. we have plenty of those. |
| 07:10.35 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 07:10.46 | Deadalot | God must love idiots. |
| 07:11.46 | Deadalot | At least it's not the kitchen sink of bug lists. |
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| 07:12.25 | Deadalot | ok, It's 3 am here. I better sleep so I can be someone tomorrow. thanks. |
| 07:12.43 | BulletCatcher | Thank *you*! Hope to see you here again. |
| 07:12.47 | Deadalot | k |
| 07:14.20 | BulletCatcher | hits the hay, too |
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| 07:35.16 | Deadalot | What is the format for entries into the -banfile file? I'd like to add a couple before i start eria ziel back up. |
| 07:35.54 | Flash | just look at it: http://bzflag.org/master-bans.txt |
| 07:36.17 | Flash | oh, sorry, that's the master ban file |
| 07:37.12 | Flash | your can add -ban "1.2.3.4,2.3.4.*" etc |
| 07:37.12 | Flash | that should seed your ban file |
| 07:38.07 | Flash | also make sure you don't have -noMasterBanList |
| 07:38.13 | Deadalot | I tried adding a couple of bans with the server running and they didn't show up in the banfile |
| 07:38.15 | Deadalot | Ok |
| 07:39.25 | Deadalot | Ok, there's no -noMasterBanlist entry. |
| 07:39.41 | Deadalot | Should they show up in the banfile.txt as soon as I enter them from a client? |
| 07:40.03 | Flash | yes, works for me |
| 07:40.12 | Flash | format IS the same as the master ban file |
| 07:40.53 | Flash | you might try an explicit path to the banfile, just to be sure |
| 07:42.59 | Flash | I see that only public servers use the master ban list |
| 07:43.32 | Deadalot | CURLOPT_URL is : http://bzflag.org/master-bans.txt |
| 07:43.32 | Deadalot | Banfile: bad ban |
| 07:43.32 | Deadalot | Loaded master ban list from http://bzflag.org/master-bans.txt |
| 07:43.32 | Deadalot | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.32 | Deadalot | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.48 | Deadalot | doesn't like something |
| 07:43.53 | Flash | ~pastebin |
| 07:43.54 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 07:44.21 | Deadalot | It's an empty file created with touch |
| 07:44.41 | Flash | it should be OK for it not to exist (that's what I did) |
| 07:44.55 | Flash | add a bogus ban (1.2.3.4) and see what happens |
| 07:45.07 | Deadalot | I tried seeding it with an entry and it wouldn't start bzfs |
| 07:45.20 | Deadalot | I tried banning from a client and it didn't show up. |
| 07:46.47 | Flash | don't touch the file |
| 07:46.59 | Flash | start with no file, then ban from client |
| 07:48.57 | Deadalot | ok |
| 07:49.08 | Flash | ok it works? |
| 07:52.28 | Deadalot | yeah, that worked. |
| 07:53.55 | Deadalot | Kind of. It didn't create the file. I wonder if it's something from permissions and chroot jail. |
| 07:54.06 | Deadalot | I can get a /banlist now |
| 07:57.07 | Deadalot | Still not right. It doesn't persist them. |
| 07:57.30 | Deadalot | Banfile: bad ban |
| 08:00.21 | Deadalot | Ah, enough for tonight. Gotta sleep some. later and thanks. |
| 08:00.27 | Deadalot | sleeps |
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| 13:24.31 | BulletCatcher | Deadalot: bzfs requires the -banfile target to already exist, even if empty. |
| 13:24.32 | BulletCatcher | Also, using -dd should provide helpful log messages about what the server is doing. You can increase the level as high as -dddd for even more verbosity. |
| 13:26.02 | Macro_Zzz | BulletCatcher, -dddd is usually overkill |
| 13:26.56 | BulletCatcher | I agree, but it is worth trying it at least once just to see what kind of information is available. |
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| 14:21.51 | Flash | BulletCatcher: I ran a server and it created the banfile... |
| 14:22.12 | BulletCatcher | Branch or trunk? |
| 14:22.47 | Flash | trunk |
| 14:23.17 | BulletCatcher | Okay, then it must just be branch that requires a pre-existing banfile. |
| 14:30.55 | delusional | bulletcatcher, i think it's your config... if you DONT specify a banfile, making a ban won't make one |
| 14:31.26 | delusional | if you DO specify a banfile, it will create one |
| 14:36.22 | BulletCatcher | delusional: I just tested with 2.0.12 and you are correct. Sorry for the confusion. |
| 14:37.05 | delusional | cool |
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| 18:00.59 | lukstr_ | hello all |
| 18:01.57 | lukstr_ | I have a small static member function/callback function problem |
| 18:02.26 | lukstr_ | pokes CIA-50 |
| 18:02.31 | lukstr_ | hugs CIA-50 |
| 18:05.24 | lukstr_ | okay well the issue is.. I want to pass a member function as a function pointer for callback purposes, however in that member function it adds to a list member for that object. Thus, in it's current state, the method to be used as a callback cannot be static or non-static. |
| 18:06.47 | lukstr_ | I guess I'll just use some wrappers |
| 18:09.21 | lukstr_ | Erroneous: was it you who suggested a good example of use of Factory.h? |
| 18:09.24 | JeffM | then what you have to do is keep a class pointer with the static callback |
| 18:09.35 | JeffM | or yeah a factory class |
| 18:09.46 | lukstr_ | yeah since I'd basically be doing that anyways |
| 18:10.04 | lukstr_ | somebody pointed me to a good example of the factory, but I don't remember |
| 18:10.14 | JeffM | wonders how he did factories in BZEdit |
| 18:10.43 | Erroneous | spawnposition and platform both use factories |
| 18:11.25 | lukstr_ | excellent thanks |
| 18:11.56 | lukstr_ | enjoys coding in boring classes |
| 18:22.09 | JeffM | ahh I didn't do factories.. that sucks |
| 18:42.28 | Saturos | JeffM: got a question again |
| 18:42.47 | Saturos | is this assumption correc? http://saturos.de/s/shirt_lines.jpg |
| 18:43.04 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:43.21 | Saturos | ok :) |
| 18:43.48 | JeffM | can you post that in the thread? to give people the idea |
| 18:43.58 | Saturos | you can edit it into your post if you want to |
| 18:49.59 | JeffM | I did, thanks |
| 18:52.48 | Saturos | np, I have to thank you :) |
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| 19:08.27 | Saturos | k, I'll go cook sth.. I'll be back tomorrow with a new question :D |
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| 20:37.26 | Skeeve | could I finally connect? |
| 20:38.10 | donny_baker | seems like you can't ;) |
| 20:38.18 | Skeeve | Darn⦠|
| 20:38.20 | Skeeve | ;-) |
| 20:38.55 | Skeeve | I had a hard time figuring out what "User" wants as a value |
| 20:41.26 | Skeeve | Maybe someone can help me in regards to compiling 2.99/3.0? Optic_Delusion asked me to not upgrade my OS X to 10.5 ;-) because 3.0 will come and you need some 10.4 testers |
| 20:41.59 | Skeeve | But compiling fails because FreeType2 couldn't be found |
| 20:42.09 | Skeeve | What is it and where do I get it? |
| 20:42.27 | blast007 | it's part of our source |
| 20:42.39 | Skeeve | So why does configure fail? |
| 20:43.04 | blast007 | try adding --enable-freetype-build to configure |
| 20:43.17 | blast007 | build system issues |
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| 20:48.27 | Skeeve | That did it, blast007! Thanks |
| 20:49.32 | Constitution | that is an interesting reason not to upgrade to Leopard |
| 20:50.23 | Skeeve | ;-) Nope. He was lucky that I don't want to spend 129 Euro for Leopard. The PowerBook is not mine. It's my boss' computer |
| 20:50.46 | Skeeve | If he spends the money, Leopard might get installed. |
| 20:51.19 | Skeeve | The only reason would be Java 6 which you seem to only get if you upgrade to Leo |
| 20:59.59 | Skeeve | Okay⦠Where should I post the build errors? |
| 21:02.58 | me1 | ~pastebin |
| 21:02.59 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 21:03.27 | me1 | Skeeve, ^ |
| 21:04.31 | Skeeve | Okay. Here we go: http://rafb.net/p/6YOYfN32.html |
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| 21:11.55 | Skeeve | How long do those pasted texts stay online? Is it better I link to it from the forum for developers to look at or is anyone currently online interested in the report? |
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| 21:36.10 | SpazzyMcGee | CBG: ping |
| 21:36.12 | SpazzyMcGee | oops |
| 21:36.15 | SpazzyMcGee | wrong chan |
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| 22:05.36 | delusional | skeeve... |
| 22:06.04 | Skeeve | here |
| 22:06.10 | delusional | i can only help with minimal types of build errors |
| 22:06.23 | delusional | i'm no help at all, really |
| 22:06.27 | Skeeve | So who to contact? |
| 22:06.36 | delusional | your in the right place |
| 22:06.56 | Skeeve | But no one answered yet |
| 22:07.16 | delusional | your still building 2.0.x? |
| 22:07.28 | Skeeve | no. 2.0 worked. |
| 22:07.38 | delusional | 2.99 now? |
| 22:07.41 | Skeeve | Testing 2.99 as you asked |
| 22:08.21 | delusional | well, i can tell you my build worked (a few days ago) without enabling freetype |
| 22:08.31 | Skeeve | I think the main proble is that ft2build.h is missing from my working copy. It didn't check out |
| 22:08.57 | delusional | well, there you go. |
| 22:09.05 | delusional | you know what your error is. |
| 22:09.29 | delusional | try svn up and see if you gget it this time |
| 22:10.02 | Skeeve | Nothing new. |
| 22:10.09 | Skeeve | Still at revision 18559 |
| 22:10.32 | delusional | well, then it's missing in source, |
| 22:10.58 | delusional | welcome to bzflag compiling |
| 22:11.22 | Skeeve | If I don't --enable--freetype-building I get from configure: |
| 22:11.22 | Skeeve | checking for FreeType -- version >= 9.0.3... no |
| 22:11.22 | Skeeve | configure: error: FreeType2 is required to compile this library |
| 22:11.22 | Skeeve | configure: error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for src/other/ftgl |
| 22:12.08 | Skeeve | It's not the first time I have problems compiling bz. brlcad even logged in to my computer long time ago to fix some compilation issues |
| 22:12.16 | delusional | yjay's the way it is, it's a work in progress.. it could be broken at any time |
| 22:12.51 | Skeeve | I'd like to help as muclch as I can. But if I don't know who to contact or what to do⦠|
| 22:13.29 | delusional | well, you reported that freetype is broken, you cant expect them to jump on it. |
| 22:14.29 | delusional | they've been having trouble getting fonts to render, for weeks.. |
| 22:14.42 | Skeeve | ;-) Sure. But is the chat the proper place? Maybe sourforge is better to report it. But is freetype from "you" or is it just included and from another source? |
| 22:15.20 | delusional | you might have to link to your local copy with a symbolic link |
| 22:15.36 | delusional | (alias) |
| 22:15.40 | Skeeve | my local copy of what? |
| 22:15.49 | delusional | freetype |
| 22:16.18 | delusional | in /libary/somewhere.... don't ask me. |
| 22:16.29 | Skeeve | I can't follow you. I don't have freetype. blast007 told me to "enable-freetype-build". |
| 22:16.48 | Skeeve | I still don't know what freetype is |
| 22:16.52 | delusional | then you need a dependency |
| 22:17.12 | delusional | it's a font type |
| 22:17.41 | JeffM | freetype reads TTF font files |
| 22:17.45 | Skeeve | there are 2 ft2build.h |
| 22:17.46 | Skeeve | ./src/other/freetype/devel/ft2build.h |
| 22:17.46 | Skeeve | ./src/other/freetype/include/ft2build.h |
| 22:18.03 | JeffM | it is used by FTGL to render TTF glyphs out to openGL |
| 22:18.24 | Skeeve | So there seems to be som includepaths or something like that broken? |
| 22:18.45 | JeffM | it was recently updated, so that is possible |
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| 22:19.07 | JeffM | if you throw a copy in an include folder that you know works, does it build? |
| 22:20.01 | Skeeve | Maybe ;-) Hey! I'm not a c++ or c programmer. So I don't know how to find out which follder work |
| 22:20.23 | JeffM | well you have made patches, so I assumed you knew something |
| 22:20.33 | JeffM | you are using development code |
| 22:20.42 | Skeeve | even script kiddies can patch ;-) |
| 22:20.43 | JeffM | so it may take some work get going |
| 22:20.48 | JeffM | ok, then don't use dev code |
| 22:20.57 | Skeeve | No problem as long as someone can lend me a hand |
| 22:21.21 | JeffM | throw a copy in bzflag's include dir |
| 22:21.23 | delusional | skeeve I'm a decent mapper, ask me mapping questions but i'm out, when it comes to anything more than the most basic compiling questions. |
| 22:26.08 | Skeeve | cp ./src/other/freetype/include/ft2build.h include/ |
| 22:26.22 | Skeeve | Still the same error |
| 22:26.33 | JeffM | what is the exact error? |
| 22:26.35 | Skeeve | I guessed include is a working include dir |
| 22:27.05 | Skeeve | http://rafb.net/p/6YOYfN32.html |
| 22:27.18 | Skeeve | lin 5 |
| 22:27.21 | Skeeve | line 5 |
| 22:28.00 | JeffM | hmm |
| 22:28.59 | JeffM | that's inside FTGL, and that own't include the bzflag include dir |
| 22:29.08 | JeffM | what woories me is the line after that |
| 22:29.47 | Skeeve | I guess the line after that is simly missing the MACRO (?) declared in ft2build |
| 22:29.56 | Skeeve | #include FT_FREETYPE_H |
| 22:30.00 | JeffM | ahh |
| 22:30.05 | JeffM | I don't have a tree yet |
| 22:30.17 | JeffM | is there an include dir in the FTGL stuff? |
| 22:30.36 | Skeeve | Stopp a moment Jeff |
| 22:30.50 | Skeeve | I changed the #include <ft2build.h> |
| 22:30.58 | JeffM | to ""? |
| 22:31.00 | JeffM | and it works? |
| 22:31.00 | Skeeve | to #include "/complete/path/to... |
| 22:31.05 | JeffM | ahh |
| 22:31.14 | Skeeve | and now I have other error messages |
| 22:31.18 | JeffM | that will probably fix that part but I don't know if you'll link |
| 22:31.19 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:31.28 | Skeeve | So it's really just a matter of "includefile can't be found" |
| 22:31.31 | JeffM | it's trying to link to a system freetype |
| 22:31.40 | JeffM | what are the other errors? |
| 22:31.43 | Skeeve | And there is none |
| 22:31.50 | Skeeve | none system freetype |
| 22:32.10 | Skeeve | Again some include files which can't be found |
| 22:32.18 | JeffM | such as? |
| 22:32.32 | Skeeve | freetype/config/ftheader.h |
| 22:32.54 | JeffM | yeah it will need the entire dir |
| 22:32.58 | JeffM | thinks |
| 22:33.06 | JeffM | is there a makefile in the freetype dir? |
| 22:33.16 | Skeeve | sure. But it's no solution to patch my path in |
| 22:33.42 | JeffM | actualy if it's done in the makefile, it should work |
| 22:33.57 | Skeeve | ./src/other/freetype/Makefile |
| 22:33.58 | Skeeve | ./src/other/freetype/src/tools/ftrandom/Makefile |
| 22:34.03 | JeffM | automake should have forced it to use the path, but it didn't |
| 22:34.17 | JeffM | is there one in the FTGL dir? |
| 22:34.35 | Skeeve | ./src/other/ftgl/demo/Makefile |
| 22:34.35 | Skeeve | ./src/other/ftgl/docs/Makefile |
| 22:34.35 | Skeeve | ./src/other/ftgl/Makefile |
| 22:34.35 | Skeeve | ./src/other/ftgl/msvc/Makefile |
| 22:34.35 | Skeeve | ./src/other/ftgl/src/Makefile |
| 22:34.36 | Skeeve | ./src/other/ftgl/test/Makefile |
| 22:34.51 | JeffM | post the toplevel one |
| 22:36.31 | Skeeve | http://rafb.net/p/3nt0je49.html |
| 22:38.14 | Skeeve | includedir is /usr/local/include |
| 22:38.34 | JeffM | that's just one of them |
| 22:38.39 | JeffM | that is needed for system stuff |
| 22:38.47 | Skeeve | okay |
| 22:38.59 | JeffM | such an ugly make system |
| 22:39.25 | Skeeve | line 87 & 88 |
| 22:39.57 | JeffM | are those paths valid? |
| 22:40.10 | Skeeve | I'm just checking |
| 22:40.59 | JeffM | the problem may be that FT2_CPPFLAGS is not used |
| 22:41.22 | Skeeve | thos paths seem to be valid |
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| 22:41.55 | JeffM | does the word FT2_CPPFLAGS exist in the makefile that is in the src dir? |
| 22:42.05 | Skeeve | you're right. Just assigned to but never used |
| 22:42.31 | JeffM | well it may be used in the other file |
| 22:42.35 | JeffM | since it's a nesting thing |
| 22:42.39 | JeffM | check the makefile in src |
| 22:42.39 | Skeeve | NOPE |
| 22:42.47 | Skeeve | sorry for caps lock |
| 22:42.59 | JeffM | then I'm guessing that is the problem |
| 22:43.32 | JeffM | FTGL builds on OSX I do know are "iffy" |
| 22:43.36 | JeffM | just like the lib |
| 22:43.54 | Skeeve | whatever iffy meand |
| 22:43.57 | Skeeve | means |
| 22:44.04 | JeffM | not the most stable |
| 22:44.12 | Skeeve | okay |
| 22:44.50 | JeffM | sucks that apple dosn't include a freetype implmentation |
| 22:45.14 | Skeeve | sucks that apple's xcode 2.5 broke compatibility ;-) |
| 22:45.32 | JeffM | I doubt that 2.5 would fix the freetype problem |
| 22:46.10 | Skeeve | so do I but it's one more sign that Apple doesn't care too much (at least for 10.4 now) |
| 22:46.28 | JeffM | why should they? |
| 22:46.49 | Skeeve | Sure. It's an old system |
| 22:47.04 | Skeeve | grep -rl FT2_CPPFLAGS * |
| 22:47.17 | Skeeve | Found many occurences of that word |
| 22:47.25 | JeffM | where? |
| 22:47.48 | Skeeve | shall I list all Makefiles? |
| 22:47.54 | JeffM | no |
| 22:48.04 | JeffM | any inside FTGL other then that root one? |
| 22:48.11 | Skeeve | Yes. Several |
| 22:48.25 | JeffM | then I wonder why it's not using them |
| 22:48.30 | Skeeve | and some of them are not assignments |
| 22:48.49 | JeffM | paste one that isn't |
| 22:49.16 | Skeeve | libftgl_la_CPPFLAGS = -IFTGlyph -IFTFont -IFTLayout $(FT2_CPPFLAGS) |
| 22:49.33 | JeffM | that means it should use it |
| 22:49.39 | JeffM | when it builds the lib |
| 22:49.40 | Skeeve | that's in other/ftgl/src/Makefile |
| 22:50.35 | JeffM | then I dunno what is wrong with your system |
| 22:56.04 | Skeeve | libftgl_la_CPPFLAGS = -IFTGlyph -IFTFont -IFTLayout $(FT2_CPPFLAGS) |
| 22:56.05 | Skeeve | but |
| 22:56.14 | Skeeve | libftgl_la_CPPFLAGS isn't used! |
| 22:56.24 | JeffM | anywhere? |
| 22:56.45 | Skeeve | Not in the ftgl/src/Makefile |
| 22:56.59 | JeffM | check the one in the src dir |
| 22:57.41 | Skeeve | nowhere |
| 22:57.49 | Skeeve | just assigned to |
| 23:01.55 | JeffM | that sucks |
| 23:04.35 | Skeeve | okay⦠I think I found something |
| 23:05.41 | Skeeve | I added ${libftgl_la_CPPFLAGS} to the CPPFLAGS |
| 23:05.52 | Skeeve | and now it's compiling |
| 23:06.02 | JeffM | cool |
| 23:06.24 | brlcad | Lukstr: I suggested it to you, what about it? |
| 23:06.45 | brlcad | Lukstr: the example was in src/bzfs/*Factory* |
| 23:07.15 | Skeeve | Guys⦠It's 01:05 AM . I go to bed now ;-) |
| 23:07.36 | Skeeve | Thanks for your help. I'll see later what the build says |
| 23:09.17 | brlcad | howdy Skeeve |
| 23:09.19 | brlcad | cya Skeeve |
| 23:16.27 | JeffM | Erroneous, want anything silly under your title on your biz card? |
| 23:16.55 | Erroneous | silly? |
| 23:17.26 | JeffM | jbd is getting 'arrogant bastard' |
| 23:17.38 | JeffM | and brlcad is getting "Z+ is up!" |
| 23:17.42 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:18.07 | brlcad | "Always erroneous, but never wrong" |
| 23:18.16 | JeffM | may do "strange atractor" |
| 23:18.20 | Erroneous | s/never/seldom/ :) |
| 23:18.57 | Erroneous | suggests a third t for attractor |
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| 23:27.51 | JeffM | so I'll take that as a no? |
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| 23:28.02 | Plouj | hi |
| 23:28.02 | Erroneous | is still pondering |
| 23:28.10 | Plouj | does anyone else get a segfault in bzflag on fedora9? |
| 23:28.15 | JeffM | I won't send the order in till tonight |
| 23:28.37 | JeffM | brlcad, you cool with me spending that money? I have to do it personaly and then pull from paypall to remburse |
| 23:28.38 | Plouj | bzflag.x86_64 2.0.12-3.fc9 |
| 23:28.57 | JeffM | what are you doing when it barfs Plouj ? |
| 23:29.03 | Plouj | oh wait, I don't even have that one installed |
| 23:29.17 | Plouj | I was getting a segfault with bzflag.x86_64 2.0.10-6.fc9 just by running 'bzflag' |
| 23:29.26 | JeffM | does it give you any info? |
| 23:29.34 | Plouj | just says segmentation fault |
| 23:29.45 | JeffM | what video card do you have? |
| 23:29.56 | Plouj | nvidia 6800GTS |
| 23:30.03 | JeffM | what driver are you using? |
| 23:30.05 | Plouj | I could show you a gdb backgrace |
| 23:30.17 | JeffM | that would be helpful |
| 23:30.22 | Plouj | humm |
| 23:30.26 | Plouj | the latest version doesn't seg fault |
| 23:30.32 | Plouj | should I still give you the backtrace? |
| 23:30.41 | JeffM | not if the current version works |
| 23:30.46 | Plouj | ok |
| 23:31.42 | Plouj | can I play bzflag 2.0.12 with 2.0.10 clients? |
| 23:31.50 | JeffM | ues |
| 23:31.51 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:31.56 | Plouj | cool |
| 23:31.59 | JeffM | all the 2.0.x ones are compatable |
| 23:32.25 | Plouj | recently I discovered that a lot of the cool games in fedora and ubuntu are not at the same versions and as a result aren't multiplayer compatible |
| 23:32.47 | JeffM | we break compatability on major version changes |
| 23:32.50 | CBG` | well, the real issue is when will FLK update |
| 23:32.51 | JeffM | so 3.0 won't be compatable |
| 23:33.05 | Plouj | sounds better than other games :) |
| 23:33.21 | JeffM | well other games probalby update more then we do too :) |
| 23:43.15 | brlcad | looks like samba folks are to blame about CIA going down recently |
| 23:43.19 | brlcad | they did some git push that queued up 78k commits |
| 23:44.21 | brlcad | rather unbelievable, I'm thinking the wiped and remerged their entire history or somesuch |
| 23:44.26 | brlcad | Erroneous: Jedi coder |
| 23:45.04 | brlcad | JeffM: sounds great to me |
| 23:48.17 | Erroneous | Use the Source! |
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