| 00:00.20 | JeffM | when we last discussed it, I told you have it use the bb logins and get it to donny_baker so that we could have the wiki use it (to combine wiki and bb logins) as a test |
| 00:00.29 | AAA_awright | Right |
| 00:00.38 | AAA_awright | Thanks |
| 00:00.54 | JeffM | you had said that it was using it's own database for users, and I wanted it to sill use the bb |
| 00:00.57 | JeffM | for now |
| 00:01.03 | JeffM | at least till we move to ldap |
| 00:01.29 | JeffM | it'll be a good bit of glue code if we can get everything using it |
| 00:01.36 | JeffM | then all the services won't care where the userdb is |
| 00:01.52 | AAA_awright | Yeah |
| 00:03.29 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r18554 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/freetype/builds/unix/configure: |
| 00:03.29 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: Replace a literal ASCII carriage return character with "\r" to work around Subversion's false detection of inconsistent line ending style. |
| 00:03.29 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: This defeats the purpose having the character in the file, but we don't care because this file is not used when building BZFlag. |
| 00:03.30 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: This allows us to re-add the svn:eol-style=native property, which is also done here. |
| 00:20.57 | Flash | JeffM: can you tell me how a menu selection is activated? |
| 00:21.07 | JeffM | no |
| 00:21.12 | Flash | ok |
| 00:21.30 | JeffM | put a breakpoint in a debuger and step on in |
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| 01:28.12 | Macrosoft | i havent checked the forums in so long that _every_ forum has new topics :O |
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| 04:14.12 | Macrosoft | ~ping |
| 04:14.17 | ibot | ~pong |
| 04:14.25 | Macrosoft | hmm |
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| 04:32.35 | temp_dist | Happy Birthday JeffM |
| 04:34.49 | a_meteorite | how old is he? |
| 04:34.52 | JeffM | not quite yet, but thank you |
| 04:35.52 | Flash | need a couple of time zones ;-) |
| 04:36.25 | JeffM | and I was boorn in the afternoon :) |
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| 05:07.08 | Constitution | 39 is it? |
| 05:07.55 | JeffM | I hope not |
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| 06:00.07 | Flash | 39 isn't so bad (of course, my memory is fading....) |
| 07:42.22 | spldart | Yay Birthdays! I've still got 9 days left myself. |
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| 16:41.08 | donny_baker | HAPPY BIRTHDAY |
| 16:41.46 | JeffM | thank you |
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| 16:47.29 | JeffM2501 | die impostor |
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| 16:47.55 | donny_baker | nrofl.. didnt even notice |
| 16:48.02 | JeffM | it was my laptop ;) |
| 16:48.06 | donny_baker | ah |
| 16:48.19 | JeffM | drive was not happy in the dekstop here so IT had me run a scan on it |
| 16:49.35 | Wyk3d1 | happy birthday JeffM :) |
| 16:49.41 | JeffM | thank you |
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| 17:21.48 | donny_baker | hey lets provide official anti-cheat builds ;) |
| 17:22.08 | JeffM | yeahhhhhhhhh |
| 17:22.15 | JeffM | considering that woudl NEVER work |
| 17:22.25 | donny_baker | we're so stupid, it would be easy |
| 17:22.37 | donny_baker | hehe |
| 17:22.39 | JeffM | did he actualy get beligerent? |
| 17:22.54 | donny_baker | no, just made more suggestions on how it would work |
| 17:23.01 | donny_baker | or could |
| 17:29.58 | CBG | Ok that dragged me out of my ditch. |
| 17:30.11 | CBG | Happy birthday btw, JeffM... Hope it's a good one :) |
| 17:30.17 | JeffM | thank you |
| 17:33.44 | JeffM | donny_baker, if he continues with out reading other comments, we just lock that thread |
| 17:34.50 | donny_baker | sounds like a plan, but it looks like he conceded the point |
| 17:35.03 | JeffM | hopefully |
| 17:35.16 | JeffM | bets he just got done taking some "security" class |
| 17:36.20 | JeffM | I mean he's not wrong saying that is one form of security |
| 17:36.32 | JeffM | but that form is for closed source, fixed distrobution systems |
| 17:36.45 | JeffM | and even then they are not that efective |
| 17:36.51 | JeffM | it's the WoW method |
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| 17:45.54 | spldart | pours JeffM some Kentucky Bourbon |
| 17:46.15 | JeffM | eww |
| 17:47.09 | BulletCatcher | It tastes better after the 3rd or 4th drink. Happy Birthday! |
| 17:47.50 | spldart | hehe.. I'm drinking cheap.. Ike has left me in the red by quite a bit of $$$ |
| 17:49.11 | spldart | Cleanup 80% done... Still have fences to build and finally got my bike running.. I never realized that rain driven by hurricane force wind could get into every nook and cranny of a motorcycles wiring so much better than just a ride down the freeway during a rainstorm. |
| 17:49.49 | BulletCatcher | You just need to ride faster. ;-) |
| 17:49.52 | spldart | Even the K&N's and carbs were full of water |
| 17:49.57 | spldart | Heh |
| 17:50.40 | JeffM | BulletCatcher, thank you but I'll take your word for it |
| 17:50.49 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 17:51.11 | JeffM | and why do you live there? |
| 17:52.52 | spldart | Why does who live where? |
| 17:53.16 | JeffM | you, in a state that keeps trying to kick your butt? ;) |
| 17:53.22 | BulletCatcher | contemplates why anyone would live anywhere |
| 17:55.44 | spldart | Ah. Hehe.. Born and raised in H-Town, Spring, Tomball, Corpus Christi and now Sugar Land. Wiki Sugar Land and you get an idea why I want to be here (esp with 5 kids in school) . I lived in tornado alley for a while, Wichita Ks., But found that a good hurricane pwnz a thousand tornadoes arses. Besides.. I love storms. |
| 18:00.32 | spldart | One of the biggest pyles of branches on the block... (side view, that's my neighbors house with there puny pile to the left) |
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| 18:01.23 | spldart | Heh heheh heh heheh... Hey Beavis... Check this 'log' out http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb248/Pogovina/Hurricane%20Ike/weeniewood.jpg |
| 18:03.43 | spldart | epic fail on the pyle of branches http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb248/Pogovina/Hurricane%20Ike/pile1.jpg |
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| 18:20.03 | spldart | Connection is still a bit lamer than normal though |
| 18:22.29 | KTL | http://s209.photobucket.com/albums/bb248/Pogovina/?action=view¤t=30.jpg <- pogovina in action :) |
| 18:22.32 | lukstr | exit |
| 18:23.43 | KTL | it's probably possible to reconstruct spldart's whole life through pics on the net |
| 18:24.54 | BulletCatcher | Yep. It's all there at www.spldartcam.com . |
| 18:25.19 | KTL | surgery for one of the daughters included, aw aw |
| 18:26.20 | KTL | and even ... a self-piercing tutorial in the nipples |
| 18:26.28 | KTL | mmm she did it again :D |
| 18:27.07 | BulletCatcher | Okay, that's too far off topic for this channel. |
| 18:27.11 | KTL | :D |
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| 18:29.04 | blast007 | happy birthday JeffM :) |
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| 18:30.01 | KTL | happy birthday JeffM |
| 18:30.54 | spldart | Rita likes taking lots of pics... Did you check out the series we did on her sewing up the knuckle that was cut near to bone? |
| 18:32.13 | spldart | Oh! Sry... I think I mighta forgot.. Happy Birthday JeffM |
| 18:32.16 | JeffM | thank you |
| 18:32.35 | me1 | Happy birthday :) |
| 18:32.41 | JeffM | thanks |
| 18:32.42 | KTL | knuckle sewing till bone no no dont want to see that :D |
| 18:32.53 | Winny | JeffM: finally hit the big seven oh, eh? |
| 18:33.01 | JeffM | not quite |
| 18:33.17 | spldart | KTL: Thanks for noticing but my usual personal image servers are offline or intermittant at best because of infrastructure damage in this area. |
| 18:33.37 | spldart | I have an age guess.... 36. |
| 18:33.45 | JeffM | you would be correct |
| 18:34.07 | spldart | Yes! I got 9 days left to the big 40 |
| 18:35.23 | KTL | imagines all those kids with a huge pie |
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| 18:38.11 | spldart | Ah man... Worst birthday days of the week evar.. You got a monday and I'm getting a humpday. |
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| 18:38.16 | KTL | ow |
| 18:38.22 | KTL | hi :) |
| 18:38.27 | Pogovina | Happy birthday, JeffM |
| 18:38.42 | spldart | :) |
| 18:38.46 | JeffM | thank you |
| 18:38.59 | SpazzyMcGee | ditto |
| 18:42.47 | BulletCatcher | JeffM: You beat me to the punch in your 11:28 posting to the "Anti-Cheat proposal" forum thread. A cheat client that references a copy of an official client when responding to challenges from the server would undetectably defeat the proposed security system. |
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| 18:45.07 | Pogovina | \o |
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| 18:46.24 | JeffM | BulletCatcher, yeah he dosn't fully understand what he's talking aboug |
| 18:46.32 | JeffM | and how it does not work in an open source solution |
| 18:46.45 | JeffM | also the logistics of that would be horible |
| 18:46.52 | JeffM | gentoo players could never play |
| 18:46.59 | Winny | offtopic.. anyone in here know much about using the rewrite rule from .htaccess? |
| 18:47.07 | BulletCatcher | I thought your last posting explained it pretty well. Hopefully he will figure it out. |
| 18:47.24 | JeffM | heh, yeah I don't know how much more clear we can be |
| 18:48.20 | BulletCatcher | Winny: I have dabbled in the black art of .htaccess. Just ask. |
| 18:49.01 | Winny | BulletCatcher: how can I make a url like http://example.com/thing forward to http://example.com/files/items/thing/ |
| 18:51.07 | BulletCatcher | One way would be "Redirect permanent /thing http://example.com/files/items/thing" (one line, no quotes). |
| 18:51.43 | BulletCatcher | It would be different if you just wanted a temporary redirect. |
| 18:53.11 | Winny | BulletCatcher: That's all I needed, thanks! |
| 18:53.18 | Winny | ~BulletCatcher++ |
| 18:53.22 | BulletCatcher | Excellent. You're welcome. |
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| 19:35.21 | JeffM | Constitution, does xcode 3.1 run on 10.4 ? |
| 19:38.55 | Constitution | hmm |
| 19:38.59 | Constitution | lemme see |
| 19:39.25 | JeffM | he's running 10.4, so that may be why he's using the old one |
| 19:39.36 | Winny | JeffM: I recall Jobs saying during the SDK unveiling it doesn't |
| 19:39.41 | Winny | but that might've just been the beta |
| 19:40.13 | Constitution | "Xcode 3.1 is an update release to the Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard developer tools." |
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| 20:20.12 | JeffM | then that is why he is using 2.5 |
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| 20:37.48 | Constitution | 2.5 is the latest version available for Tiger |
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| 22:52.45 | Digital_Pioneer | Hi. I have BZF 2.0.10 on Linux, and I'm having trouble connecting to servers. Many of the servers are instantly saying "Server not found", and I can't connect/play. :( |
| 22:53.18 | Winny | sounds like your ISP or router or firewall is blocking non-standard ports |
| 22:53.44 | Digital_Pioneer | ...Any way to test that? |
| 22:53.59 | Digital_Pioneer | And/or work around it... |
| 22:54.33 | Winny | try pinging a server from the command line |
| 22:54.33 | CBG | Have you connected to any servers successfully? |
| 22:54.42 | Digital_Pioneer | CBG: Yeah, one or two. |
| 22:54.42 | a_meteorite | try disabling your PC firewall, if that doesn't work, try temporarily running without a router (disclaimer: this could be extremely dangerous and make you end up with a virus... you've been warned) |
| 22:54.43 | Winny | ping bzflagr.net:5154 and see if it works |
| 22:54.52 | CBG | Digital_Pioneer: what ports were they on? |
| 22:54.53 | a_meteorite | Winny: you can't ping to a port |
| 22:55.03 | Digital_Pioneer | CBG: I don't remember... :\ |
| 22:55.04 | Winny | a_meteorite: there was a utility that let you |
| 22:55.05 | a_meteorite | ping would most likely get out anyways |
| 22:55.15 | Winny | I thought you could do it natively |
| 22:55.15 | a_meteorite | well nothing that I know of, and certainly not standard |
| 22:55.23 | a_meteorite | you could try doing telnet bzflagr.net 5154 |
| 22:55.29 | a_meteorite | not sure if windows has telnet though... |
| 22:55.34 | me1 | linux |
| 22:55.37 | a_meteorite | ahh |
| 22:55.44 | spldart | hehe |
| 22:55.52 | spldart | a browser can tell much too |
| 22:55.54 | a_meteorite | well then I wouldn't really worry TOO much about viruses |
| 22:56.00 | spldart | right? |
| 22:56.01 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 22:56.05 | CBG | <Digital_Pioneer> Linux |
| 22:56.06 | spldart | linux is pretty reselient |
| 22:56.06 | a_meteorite | spldart: tell what? |
| 22:56.13 | Notme_ | Dude, he's on Linux! |
| 22:56.18 | Notme_ | He aint on windows |
| 22:56.19 | me1 | is now know as CBG |
| 22:56.21 | Digital_Pioneer | I'm no dumb windozer! |
| 22:56.26 | spldart | Dude! It's not a Dell. |
| 22:56.29 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 22:56.31 | Notme_ | ghosts the imposter |
| 22:56.35 | me1 | :P |
| 22:56.38 | a_meteorite | Digital_Pioneer: disable iptables and try without your router |
| 22:56.44 | spldart | Hah! |
| 22:56.48 | spldart | IPTAbles |
| 22:56.58 | a_meteorite | what? |
| 22:57.02 | CBG | ROFL |
| 22:57.04 | spldart | suxors |
| 22:57.04 | Digital_Pioneer | a_meteorite: I can't go without the router. |
| 22:57.24 | Digital_Pioneer | How do I disable iptables? |
| 22:57.34 | Digital_Pioneer | I've never used it... |
| 22:57.51 | Digital_Pioneer | (Well, some programs may have used it, but I've never messed with it) |
| 22:57.52 | JeffM | do you get the list of servers ok? |
| 22:57.55 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah. |
| 22:58.09 | Winny | it sounds like port blocking |
| 22:58.11 | JeffM | can you ping the server domains? |
| 22:58.12 | Digital_Pioneer | Though the MOTD takes forever to show up, and until it does, BZF is frozen. |
| 22:58.28 | JeffM | you probalby don't have async ares |
| 22:58.31 | Digital_Pioneer | I pinged one of the servers OK. |
| 22:58.38 | JeffM | are you sure you don't have a cached server list? |
| 22:58.54 | a_meteorite | Digital_Pioneer: iptables -F INPUT; iptables -F OUTPUT; iptables -F FORWARD (though if you're using a certain distro these may be incorrect) ... though it seems JeffM might be onto something |
| 22:59.12 | a_meteorite | you'd need to restart or find the file that contains the rules to reinstate them |
| 22:59.16 | Digital_Pioneer | JeffM: I haven't the foggiest idea. |
| 22:59.16 | JeffM | a_meteorite, start simple, not complex ;) |
| 22:59.20 | Digital_Pioneer | I'll BRB.... |
| 22:59.33 | a_meteorite | right you seem to be onto something :) |
| 22:59.46 | *** join/#bzflag bytan (n=bytan@78.183.13.9) |
| 22:59.48 | a_meteorite | I've heard some selinux strangeness too |
| 22:59.55 | a_meteorite | but try those other suggestions first |
| 23:00.00 | blast007 | "server nit found" sounds like a dns issue |
| 23:00.04 | blast007 | not* |
| 23:00.09 | spldart | Servers can be addressed in a browser.. This can be a quick way of finding that some ports are blocked by a router/firewall correct? |
| 23:00.24 | a_meteorite | spldart: no you can't go to http://bzflagr.net:5154 |
| 23:00.31 | Winny | Digital_Pioneer: can you connect to 66.111.381.151 port 5154? |
| 23:00.45 | JeffM | blast007, exactly |
| 23:00.55 | a_meteorite | well actually you can, you get binary data back |
| 23:01.00 | JeffM | a_meteorite, you can in trunk |
| 23:01.09 | blast007 | hehe |
| 23:01.21 | JeffM | but yeah, it can be used to check connections |
| 23:01.37 | JeffM | trun will give you an imediate disconnect and not hold a slot |
| 23:01.48 | JeffM | branch tries to send out the connect string |
| 23:04.24 | JeffM | donny_baker, I think he's conceide that point allready, I'm just trying to get him to realise that his idea that he can trus the responces is flawed. |
| 23:05.08 | JeffM | if he's talking about in memory offsets in the client, he'll be hard pressed to find clients that have the same offsets even using the same build, if he's talking about disk image data then it's cake to fake |
| 23:05.30 | JeffM | in the end his entire system can be faked by proxy moding the packets |
| 23:05.34 | brlcad | g'damn that gsoc thread took a long time to read |
| 23:05.45 | JeffM | even with a valid client |
| 23:08.09 | Digital_Pioneer | Back |
| 23:08.29 | Digital_Pioneer | Winny: I ran `bzflag 66.111.381.151:5154` and it just gave me a black screen. |
| 23:08.53 | Winny | enter those as the server and port in BZFlag |
| 23:09.06 | Digital_Pioneer | ...Can you paste in BZFlag? :P |
| 23:09.17 | Winny | just remember the IP |
| 23:09.22 | Winny | oh hmm |
| 23:09.27 | Winny | 66.111.38.151:5154 |
| 23:09.28 | Winny | sorry |
| 23:09.32 | Winny | fails at typing |
| 23:09.37 | blast007 | write it down |
| 23:09.54 | blast007 | pen & paper ftw |
| 23:10.18 | spldart | So much for paperless |
| 23:10.19 | spldart | hehe |
| 23:11.48 | Digital_Pioneer | It says Server not found. |
| 23:11.50 | Digital_Pioneer | Instantly. |
| 23:12.10 | JeffM | did you update any parts of your system recently? |
| 23:12.12 | AHA | you didn't type it in corrdctly the |
| 23:12.15 | AHA | *then |
| 23:12.16 | JeffM | like run package updates? |
| 23:12.17 | AHA | *correctly |
| 23:12.19 | Digital_Pioneer | JeffM: Yeah. |
| 23:12.26 | JeffM | what distro are you on? |
| 23:12.39 | Digital_Pioneer | AHA: I didn't have to, I started BZFlag and that address/port was already in there. |
| 23:12.54 | Digital_Pioneer | JeffM: Pardus. It's lesser-known. |
| 23:12.57 | AHA | double check to make sure it isn't the wrong one |
| 23:13.12 | JeffM | did you build your bzflag or get it from a package? |
| 23:13.12 | Digital_Pioneer | I just cleared my server cache, and went to the list again. It took forever, but did come up. |
| 23:13.19 | Digital_Pioneer | AHA: I did. |
| 23:13.23 | Digital_Pioneer | JeffM: Package. |
| 23:13.33 | JeffM | was that package updated? |
| 23:13.52 | JeffM | my gut says you have the updated ares |
| 23:13.58 | JeffM | but your client isnt using it right |
| 23:14.43 | JeffM | it probably would not be a bad thing to build 2.0.13 |
| 23:14.59 | Digital_Pioneer | I don't think I updated BZF... |
| 23:15.05 | JeffM | that could be the problem |
| 23:15.15 | JeffM | is there a new version of bzflag in your package manager? |
| 23:15.16 | Digital_Pioneer | 2.0.13? |
| 23:15.33 | JeffM | 13 is the version number on the curretn 2.0.x branch svn code |
| 23:15.45 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh, SVN. |
| 23:15.50 | JeffM | .12 was made to fix some problems with curl and ares in some linux sysem |
| 23:15.58 | JeffM | and it's that problem I fear you are hitting |
| 23:16.01 | Digital_Pioneer | Nope, no newer versions on repos. |
| 23:16.09 | JeffM | what is the version they have? |
| 23:16.15 | Digital_Pioneer | I already downloaded 2.0.12 src, haven't compiled it yet. |
| 23:16.23 | Digital_Pioneer | 2.0.10 |
| 23:16.23 | JeffM | I would compile it |
| 23:16.25 | Digital_Pioneer | OK. |
| 23:16.30 | JeffM | it may help you, it may not |
| 23:16.37 | JeffM | if it dosn't then the problem probably isn't with bzflag |
| 23:16.56 | Digital_Pioneer | I've played on this network before, I forgot to mention that... |
| 23:17.06 | Digital_Pioneer | (Network meaning my LAN here...) |
| 23:17.10 | JeffM | the instant failure and the motd taking a while makes me think ares tho |
| 23:17.19 | JeffM | as well as the fact that you updated |
| 23:17.44 | JeffM | what pakages does your distro use? debians? |
| 23:17.44 | Digital_Pioneer | Sounds fully plausible. |
| 23:21.19 | Digital_Pioneer | JeffM: No, it's a distro-specific package manager called PiSi. |
| 23:21.36 | JeffM | then I have no clue who builds packages for that |
| 23:21.43 | JeffM | do you know what format they are in? |
| 23:21.49 | JeffM | or is that custom too? |
| 23:22.33 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, they're in .pisi files. |
| 23:22.38 | JeffM | heh |
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| 23:31.32 | spldart | Hrm.. A Turkish flavor linux :) |
| 23:31.36 | *** join/#bzflag CBG`_ (n=CBG@cpc1-newe2-0-0-cust289.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 23:31.52 | Digital_Pioneer | spldart: Yup, but it works in English and is actually quite decent. |
| 23:32.17 | spldart | Does it seem to root to a more mainstream linux of any kind? |
| 23:32.30 | spldart | I was browsing the home page |
| 23:32.41 | swigg | oh yeah. great stuff is coming out of Turkey lately |
| 23:33.01 | swigg | KalyWay OSx86 too |
| 23:33.05 | Digital_Pioneer | Wewt! BZF 2.0.12 works! |
| 23:33.25 | spldart | kewlio |
| 23:33.47 | Digital_Pioneer | spldart: No, methinks it's completely its own distro. |
| 23:34.05 | spldart | IC |
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| 23:36.17 | spldart | Seems to review well. |
| 23:41.00 | spldart | Oh! Would you look at that... A live CD version... I hope my connection is up for this. |
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