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| 00:37.38 | bzflag_tha_best | Hello guys |
| 00:37.47 | CBG | what?! |
| 00:38.28 | bzflag_tha_best | I got all the tools to compile BzFlag.. attempted to compile it.. and ... well see for yourself (the full compile - errors at end): http://gabe.blogsite.org/errors.txt |
| 00:38.39 | bzflag_tha_best | It looks like it was about to build the executable, but failed :| |
| 00:41.40 | bzflag_tha_best | Anyone? :| |
| 00:42.26 | temp_dist | wait a bit for an answer |
| 00:42.28 | donny_baker | have patience |
| 00:42.44 | bzflag_tha_best | Okay :P |
| 00:43.12 | CBG | count to 314159 |
| 00:44.47 | bzflag_tha_best | Done :| |
| 00:45.45 | donny_baker | IRC is like heinz ketchup |
| 00:46.03 | donny_baker | slow.... |
| 00:46.26 | donny_baker | gotta wait for someone who is available that can see the issue |
| 00:48.34 | bzflag_tha_best | Umm, like who? :| |
| 00:50.12 | me1 | donny_baker, nice analogy |
| 00:52.31 | JBdiGriz | It looks like you're compiling for MacOS Tiger |
| 00:54.17 | brlcad | JBdiGriz: you're in, see the wiki |
| 00:54.53 | bzflag_tha_best | JBdiGriz: I am :P |
| 00:54.58 | bzflag_tha_best | Should have told you that before |
| 00:55.39 | JBdiGriz | You certainly should have, since I haven't compiled for Tiger in a while. It's looking for the AGL framework, and not finding it. |
| 00:55.58 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: Have you compiled the latest sources on Tiger? |
| 00:58.44 | brlcad | mm, not yet |
| 00:59.06 | brlcad | my main host for that is packed up in a storage room atm too |
| 00:59.20 | brlcad | (which I'd not yet gotten around to installing 10.5 yet) |
| 00:59.26 | brlcad | (because of the move) |
| 00:59.42 | bzflag_tha_best | JBdiGriz: I'm working on it |
| 01:00.41 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: Thank you, I have added the changes requested by LH, with appropriate thanks. |
| 01:01.06 | bzflag_tha_best | JBdiGriz: How would I go about acquiring the AGL Framework? :| |
| 01:02.16 | JBdiGriz | It should have been part of the installation. I see it in the 10.3.9 SDK for Xcode. |
| 01:02.31 | brlcad | yeah, you should already have it |
| 01:02.46 | brlcad | i can't get to that url from here, so i'll have to look at it later |
| 01:02.53 | bzflag_tha_best | Err.... so.... :| |
| 01:03.02 | JBdiGriz | Did you install the SDK's when you installed Xcode? |
| 01:03.44 | bzflag_tha_best | I think |
| 01:03.51 | JBdiGriz | It's missing aglChoosePixelFormat and another similar function. |
| 01:04.08 | JBdiGriz | Which version of Xcode are you running? |
| 01:05.39 | bzflag_tha_best | err, 2.2.1 |
| 01:06.26 | Erroneous | buys a laptop to equip himself for the mentor summit |
| 01:06.31 | brlcad | yay |
| 01:06.56 | brlcad | bzflag_tha_best: you could install sdl and it'll avoid the agl/carbon layer |
| 01:08.10 | bzflag_tha_best | I did |
| 01:08.15 | bzflag_tha_best | I think it can't find SDL though |
| 01:08.29 | bzflag_tha_best | Seems like I'll need to mess with the paths so it'll find it :| |
| 01:08.44 | brlcad | why are you trying to compile? |
| 01:08.51 | brlcad | you probably do |
| 01:09.23 | bzflag_tha_best | Because I'm testing Mac development tools :P |
| 01:09.56 | brlcad | er, you could just test them with the apple code samples :P |
| 01:09.59 | JBdiGriz | I usually recompile and install SDL. |
| 01:10.34 | bzflag_tha_best | Meh, I guess I could. |
| 01:10.42 | bzflag_tha_best | But then, you shouldn't always trust the provider (Apple). :P |
| 01:10.47 | JBdiGriz | bzflag is not the easiest way to test the Mac development tools. It doesn't use them any more than Linux. |
| 01:11.15 | JBdiGriz | 2.2.1 is also rather old, as is Tiger. |
| 01:11.32 | bzflag_tha_best | It isn't my computer :P |
| 01:12.52 | bzflag_tha_best | They don't support Tiger anymore, do they? |
| 01:13.22 | JBdiGriz | They barely support Tiger. I think 10.3.9 is the final release. |
| 01:13.43 | bzflag_tha_best | I really hate that |
| 01:13.52 | bzflag_tha_best | They just cut you off :P |
| 01:14.01 | bzflag_tha_best | Oh well, I normally don't have to worry about that |
| 01:14.05 | bzflag_tha_best | As I don't normally use Macs |
| 01:14.44 | JBdiGriz | Actually, that was Panther. They are still supporting Tiger a bit more. |
| 01:15.28 | JBdiGriz | There is a 10.4.11 release for it. |
| 01:40.22 | bzflag_tha_best | Okay |
| 01:40.37 | bzflag_tha_best | Will someone tell me how to modify the bzflag make script so it looks for SDL in a specific path? |
| 01:40.42 | bzflag_tha_best | look* |
| 01:40.46 | bzflag_tha_best | looks* nevermind |
| 01:41.07 | bzflag_tha_best | and the AGL framework is installed BTW :| |
| 01:41.58 | JBdiGriz | You can try looking through the AGL documentation for those calls, but all of my testing has been with SDL. |
| 01:47.53 | bzflag_tha_best | Meh |
| 01:48.01 | bzflag_tha_best | So you don't know where the make script looks for SDL? |
| 01:50.53 | JBdiGriz | It should be part of the configure command. |
| 01:51.39 | JBdiGriz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.01 | bzflag_tha_best | I'll look into that |
| 01:54.31 | bzflag_tha_best | Well |
| 01:54.34 | bzflag_tha_best | I looked at the forums |
| 01:54.44 | bzflag_tha_best | People have had success with xcodebuild, so I'm trying that first |
| 01:54.46 | bzflag_tha_best | Then that :P |
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| 02:57.14 | mudgrenade | any gu admins on? |
| 02:58.52 | mudgrenade | ##guleague |
| 02:59.31 | mudgrenade | .join ##guleague |
| 02:59.50 | mudgrenade | access to channel is blocjed |
| 02:59.54 | blast007 | yup |
| 03:00.25 | blast007 | get a real IRC client and then try |
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| 03:09.34 | mudgrenade | meno u on? |
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| 04:24.51 | JeffM | brlcad: you awake? |
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| 04:49.30 | mudgrenade | hiya conts |
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| 04:56.39 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: you sober? |
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| 05:36.46 | JeffM | brlcad: JBdiGriz what do you think of this? http://www.opencombat.net/tmp/ViewPDF.pdf |
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| 07:50.49 | remote | hi |
| 07:51.02 | remote | what is the implication of allowing * in download access? |
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| 08:26.17 | CBG | remote: it allows the client to accept textures from anywhere, not just those hosted somewhere on the official server |
| 08:46.59 | brlcad | heh, sup |
| 08:47.20 | Manu | hola brlcad :) still moving? |
| 08:48.03 | brlcad | not really at the moment |
| 08:48.08 | brlcad | all moved out, though |
| 08:48.23 | brlcad | i'll move back into someplace new in a few weeks |
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| 08:50.55 | brlcad | ~botmail for JeffM how about without the blue bar on the left? the right side needs some work too methinks |
| 09:04.39 | remote | CBG: i know what it does but what are the implications of doing so, why does the doanload access exist? |
| 09:04.57 | remote | are there security issues? |
| 09:10.43 | CBG | offensive images..? |
| 09:10.54 | CBG | it's a family friendly game |
| 10:33.01 | jorgenpt | ~botmail for me Hi! |
| 10:33.10 | jorgenpt | :( |
| 10:33.16 | jorgenpt | ~botmail for jorgenpt Y helo thar, seckzi. |
| 10:33.24 | jorgenpt | 12:33:16 <ibot> OK, jorgenpt, I'll let jorgenpt know. |
| 10:33.27 | jorgenpt | ibot needs work. |
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| 10:33.49 | jorgenpt | Yep. :p |
| 11:03.29 | AHA | @JeffM's business card: The tank looks a little bland. Maybe use saturos's design with the flag on it? |
| 11:04.23 | jorgenpt | Why is it watermarked with 'Proof'? |
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| 11:42.07 | spldart | Wow.. Just woke up and Hurricane Ike is still roughly on track to hit me :) |
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| 12:10.38 | KTL | has the feeling there is a crisis in the available servers |
| 12:10.46 | KTL | with badgerking gone |
| 12:11.13 | KTL | and most high level maps gone or hosted on slower or not that well maintained/configured servers |
| 12:11.36 | KTL | there are a bunch of players who dont know where to play |
| 12:11.47 | KTL | even with that massive amount of servers on the server list |
| 12:12.31 | donny_baker | KTL: my take is a little different |
| 12:12.41 | donny_baker | with badgerking gone... |
| 12:12.51 | donny_baker | players are searching out other maps |
| 12:12.57 | donny_baker | and finding more options |
| 12:13.05 | donny_baker | for different game styles |
| 12:13.20 | donny_baker | in the end i see more diverse maps on the list |
| 12:13.21 | KTL | how many people are playing at all now? |
| 12:13.49 | donny_baker | in my opinion there are more maps with more players than there have been in quite some time |
| 12:13.53 | KTL | yes i see them searching something good |
| 12:14.03 | donny_baker | that is not bad |
| 12:15.02 | KTL | the only thing that comes near fast aggressive energetic ffa is mofo now, i get bored there |
| 12:17.17 | KTL | is going to bother ppl who might be able to give a t1 server account |
| 12:19.18 | donny_baker | jorgenpt: most likely he is going to get them printed for the GSoC summit to hand out |
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| 13:23.10 | KTL | how much bandwidth does a server currently take? |
| 13:23.44 | KTL | donny_baker ? |
| 13:24.22 | blast007 | that varies |
| 13:24.33 | KTL | exponentially on player count |
| 13:24.41 | KTL | 5 kByte per second per player? |
| 13:24.45 | blast007 | and other settings |
| 13:24.49 | blast007 | shot count, tank speed, etc |
| 13:24.56 | KTL | nr of bullets, suppose around 7 bullets |
| 13:25.07 | KTL | euh ... all traditional |
| 13:25.11 | KTL | kinda badgerking |
| 13:25.16 | KTL | kinda hashmark |
| 13:25.38 | donny_baker | KTL: on my t1 we can support about 30 players on one map.. more if they are split between maps |
| 13:25.50 | KTL | donny_baker, but they get kicked long before that |
| 13:26.12 | KTL | how much kBps would that be? |
| 13:26.30 | donny_baker | KTL: that is 30 comfortably.. after that we start taking lag and the server starts kicking |
| 13:26.58 | KTL | 30 kBps for 30 players? |
| 13:27.51 | donny_baker | KTL: 1.5Mbps |
| 13:27.56 | KTL | aha |
| 13:28.00 | KTL | bit |
| 13:28.08 | donny_baker | ah |
| 13:28.53 | donny_baker | so yes |
| 13:29.00 | KTL | tnx |
| 13:31.05 | KTL | what about security? |
| 13:31.56 | KTL | how vulnerable is the machine? |
| 13:32.46 | donny_baker | KTL: not very vulnerable... the servers are in a chroot jail and only the bzfs ports are open |
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| 13:33.54 | donny_baker | one thing that does eat into the bandwidth a little while playing is the live log feeds back to Thumpers web server |
| 13:34.05 | donny_baker | but that shouldn't have a huge impact |
| 13:35.41 | KTL | On most systems, chroot contexts do not stack properly and chrooted programs with sufficient privileges may perform a second chroot to break out. |
| 13:35.45 | KTL | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroot_jail |
| 13:36.11 | donny_baker | hasn't happened yet |
| 13:36.27 | donny_baker | bzflag has been around for quite a while |
| 13:36.36 | donny_baker | anything is theoretically possible |
| 13:36.58 | donny_baker | all security measures are breakable |
| 13:37.33 | donny_baker | the only totally secure network serever is one with its network interfaces turned off |
| 13:37.46 | donny_baker | server* |
| 13:37.48 | KTL | : |
| 13:37.50 | KTL | :) |
| 13:41.25 | KTL | 128 mb ram suffices i suspect |
| 13:44.22 | KTL | is there a fedora core 5 rpm for bzfs? |
| 13:46.59 | KTL | 32 bit |
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| 13:47.31 | lukstr | waves |
| 13:51.16 | KTL | waves back |
| 13:51.33 | KTL | tries to figure out how to cross compile |
| 13:53.02 | lukstr | D: cross compile to what |
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| 13:54.18 | KTL | bzfs to euhm i believe i386, 32 bit, should go into a fedora core 5 rpm |
| 13:56.21 | lukstr | bzflag doesn't build on fedora? |
| 13:56.43 | KTL | a friend is giving me an account on a fedore inside a vm box |
| 13:56.52 | KTL | with restrictions like 128 mb ram |
| 13:57.05 | blast007 | install fedora locally and build ;) |
| 13:57.09 | lukstr | :P |
| 13:57.48 | KTL | it's not my machine, i got no experience with fedora, and i try to motivate him to keep on actively cooperating |
| 13:57.49 | lukstr | anyone want to help me with a fun function pointer problem? |
| 14:00.19 | lukstr | World.cxx:42: error: no matching function for call to âBZW::Parser::addWorldObjectFactory(const char [4], BZW::WorldObject* (BZW::World::*)())â |
| 14:00.22 | lukstr | Parser.h:40: note: candidates are: bool BZW::Parser::addWorldObjectFactory(const std::string&, BZW::WorldObject* (*)()) |
| 14:01.27 | brlcad | lukstr: sounds like you're passing a literal to something that takes a std::string reference |
| 14:01.38 | brlcad | set it to a std::string and pass that instead |
| 14:01.43 | lukstr | you might be right |
| 14:01.52 | brlcad | or make it not take a reference |
| 14:02.38 | brlcad | you can't take a reference to a temporary |
| 14:03.01 | lukstr | right; don |
| 14:03.05 | lukstr | 't know why I did that |
| 14:03.17 | brlcad | it's a common mistake |
| 14:03.37 | brlcad | some compilers even let you do it .. and just crash at run-time |
| 14:03.41 | lukstr | yeah |
| 14:04.21 | lukstr | so, in this situation where I want to keep a string "box" passed as a literal, I should tell it to expect what, just a std::string? |
| 14:04.54 | brlcad | either a const std::string or char * would do the trick |
| 14:05.57 | lukstr | should it not know to accept a char[] /as/ a std::string? |
| 14:06.06 | lukstr | because it doesn't seem to want to |
| 14:07.32 | trepan_ | void func(const std::string& str); func("text"); // that works |
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| 14:07.54 | lukstr | trepan: that's exactly what doesn't work for me |
| 14:08.02 | trepan | std::string have a char[] constructor? |
| 14:08.20 | trepan | char[4] -- makes you wonder |
| 14:08.27 | lukstr | indeed |
| 14:08.47 | lukstr | but I am passing "box" to a function accepting a const std::string& |
| 14:08.49 | lukstr | at least, I was |
| 14:09.41 | lukstr | could there be an issue with the function pointer? note the strange pointer in the parameters |
| 14:09.59 | lukstr | BZW::World::* and just * |
| 14:14.27 | lukstr | yes, problem is definitely with the parameters |
| 14:14.47 | lukstr | World.cxx:43: error: no matching function for call to âBZW::Parser::addWorldObjectFactory(const std::string&, BZW::WorldObject* (BZW::World::*)())â |
| 14:14.50 | lukstr | Parser.h:40: note: candidates are: bool BZW::Parser::addWorldObjectFactory(const std::string&, BZW::WorldObject* (*)()) |
| 14:15.31 | brlcad | oop, yeah, didn't see that the first time |
| 14:16.12 | brlcad | that's a problem |
| 14:16.16 | lukstr | D: |
| 14:17.17 | brlcad | fix that and it might be more leniant on the other conversion (even if taking a reference to a temporary is still unstable juju) |
| 14:17.48 | lukstr | right, how can I fix that? |
| 14:18.11 | lukstr | cast it to a regular pointer? |
| 14:19.08 | trepan | the temporary last for the duration of the function call |
| 14:19.17 | trepan | not an issue, it happily sits on the stack |
| 14:19.46 | trepan | const string& func() // that's where you get bitten |
| 14:19.55 | lukstr | ignore the string issues |
| 14:20.04 | lukstr | how can I fix the pointer issue? |
| 14:21.00 | lukstr | :S |
| 14:21.11 | lukstr | gotta go to next class, will check in later and ask more questions :D |
| 14:21.12 | brlcad | trepan: it's the latter that usually causes trouble often enough |
| 14:21.31 | brlcad | i've had to fix a half-dozen crashes in bz that were exactly that case, some deeply nested |
| 14:23.15 | Chestal | in most cases, gcc will be able to warn you about that |
| 14:23.18 | brlcad | i've also seem them plainly crash inside the called function depending on use (like passing to a std::map or other container) .. which arguably is a bug in the stl, but it happens so often that I avoid them |
| 14:23.26 | Chestal | mot dangerous thing is to pass .c_str() stuff around without thinking |
| 14:23.55 | Chestal | most, even |
| 14:23.57 | brlcad | yeah |
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| 15:03.15 | KTL | got access to a vmed box on a presumably good host, now finding out how the rpm system works to get a bzfs running there |
| 15:04.28 | BulletCatcher | KTL: try "yum install bzflag" first. That's the easiest way to do it. |
| 15:04.49 | KTL | "No more mirrors to try." |
| 15:04.59 | KTL | no emacs |
| 15:05.03 | KTL | hellup :D |
| 15:05.10 | KTL | no vim |
| 15:05.18 | KTL | no nano |
| 15:05.19 | KTL | no ed |
| 15:05.33 | BulletCatcher | Wow. That's a minimal system. |
| 15:06.13 | KTL | found vi |
| 15:06.26 | BulletCatcher | What specific OS version? |
| 15:06.44 | KTL | fedora core 5 i was told |
| 15:07.38 | blast007 | there might be a server only package (once you get the right mirror) |
| 15:07.50 | blast007 | for instance, debian has bzflag and bzflag-server |
| 15:08.28 | BulletCatcher | Fedora doesn't have that kind of package breakout. |
| 15:08.35 | KTL | is yum the package manager on top of rpms or is it a different package system |
| 15:08.49 | BulletCatcher | Yum is a layer on top of rpm. |
| 15:09.46 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: that would be up to the one making the package, not the distro, right? |
| 15:11.57 | BulletCatcher | Either way. The packages distributed by Fedora have an all-in-one bzflag RPM. Someone else could do it differently. |
| 15:12.42 | blast007 | sorta sucks |
| 15:13.00 | blast007 | means you have to install X11/X.org if you just want the bzfs binary? |
| 15:13.51 | BulletCatcher | I think so, yes. Fedora is primarily oriented toward desktop users. |
| 15:14.09 | blast007 | fun |
| 15:14.22 | blast007 | yet another reason I stay way from RedHate |
| 15:17.10 | BulletCatcher | They do a better job of limiting dependencies for more services that are more popular than BZFlag. |
| 15:18.04 | blast007 | overall, I don't like the OS |
| 15:18.33 | BulletCatcher | overall, it is GNU/Linux :p |
| 15:18.44 | blast007 | my last session with it ended with 'yum remove yum' |
| 15:19.11 | blast007 | oh, I love linux, just not redhat based distros |
| 15:19.21 | blast007 | slackware and debian are just fine |
| 15:20.00 | BulletCatcher | The beauty of free software is that you can have it your way and I can have it mine. |
| 15:21.01 | blast007 | ;) |
| 15:25.56 | BulletCatcher | blast007, I know you have an interest in the location of BZFlag plugins. Do you have a problem with moving them from ${libdir} to ${pkglibdir} in trunk? On typical installations this would put them in /usr/lib/bzflag instead of /usr/lib with all of the system libraries. |
| 15:26.46 | blast007 | heh, yeah, that always annoyed me |
| 15:26.57 | blast007 | I pass --libdir=/usr/local/lib/bzflag to configure |
| 15:27.14 | blast007 | (on debian) |
| 15:27.34 | blast007 | can't recall anymore if the default was just straight to /usr/local/lib |
| 15:27.39 | blast007 | or if it was /usr/lib |
| 15:27.52 | BulletCatcher | The default is ${prefix}/lib . |
| 15:28.09 | BulletCatcher | I propose changing it to ${prefix}/lib/bzflag . |
| 15:29.05 | blast007 | yeah, sounds good to me |
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| 15:31.38 | BulletCatcher | Okay, I'll plan to do that. The complication is that on the AC_INIT line in plugins/configure.ac, "bzflag-plugins" must be changed to just "bzflag", which could cause some confusion in tar file names if someone tries to build plugins independently of the rest of BZFlag. |
| 15:31.50 | BulletCatcher | I want to check with brlcad before making that change. |
| 15:33.47 | brlcad | you shouldn't need to change the package name |
| 15:33.56 | brlcad | you can override variable settings in the configure.ac |
| 15:34.09 | brlcad | make the default something different |
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| 15:45.22 | brlcad | (can check out brl-cad's configure.ac for an example of how to go about doing that) |
| 15:45.43 | BulletCatcher | URL ? |
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| 15:54.44 | KTL | bzflag 2.0.8-2.fc5 <- is this still usable? |
| 15:55.00 | blast007 | sure |
| 15:55.01 | KTL | wasnt the last release 2.0.10 |
| 15:55.02 | spldart | old but stable |
| 15:55.13 | KTL | but compatible with ... 2.0.10? |
| 15:55.16 | blast007 | yes |
| 15:55.19 | KTL | oki |
| 15:55.22 | blast007 | 2.0.x is compatible with itself |
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| 16:56.03 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r18549 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/freetype/autogen.sh: This file is not used when building for BZFlag, so revert to FreeType 2.3.4 upstream version. |
| 16:56.19 | BulletCatcher | More preparation for upgrading to FreeType 2.3.7. |
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| 17:34.41 | lukstr | waves |
| 17:35.46 | BulletCatcher | particles |
| 17:36.46 | JeffM2501 | strings |
| 17:39.20 | lukstr | Awesome. So, to ressurect my previous error problem |
| 17:41.12 | lukstr | World.cxx:42: error: no matching function for call to âBZW::Parser::addWorldObjectFactory(const char [4], BZW::WorldObject* (BZW::World::*)())â |
| 17:41.15 | lukstr | Parser.h:40: note: candidates are: bool BZW::Parser::addWorldObjectFactory(const std::string&, BZW::WorldObject* (*)()) |
| 17:41.33 | lukstr | how can i fix the complaint regarding receiving a BZW::World::* instead of a * |
| 17:41.42 | JeffM2501 | a const string is not a const char[4] |
| 17:42.08 | lukstr | that's not the problem |
| 17:42.39 | lukstr | but I do realize it's not the same, it should be safe in stack though |
| 17:42.42 | JeffM2501 | what is the call look like? |
| 17:42.46 | lukstr | one sec |
| 17:42.57 | lukstr | p.addWorldObjectFactory("box", &World::addBox); |
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| 17:43.07 | JeffM2501 | addbox is a method? |
| 17:43.11 | lukstr | yes |
| 17:43.16 | JeffM2501 | static? |
| 17:43.41 | JeffM2501 | or are you doing functors? |
| 17:43.42 | MindstormsKid | do physics work on the bottom of boxes? |
| 17:43.51 | MindstormsKid | they don't seem to for me :/ |
| 17:43.52 | lukstr | I don't think it's static |
| 17:44.05 | JeffM2501 | lukstr, are you doing functors? or just function pointers? |
| 17:44.12 | lukstr | just function pointers |
| 17:44.23 | JeffM2501 | then what you have won't work IIRC |
| 17:44.27 | JeffM2501 | stuff needs to be static |
| 17:44.38 | lukstr | alright, what approach should I take? |
| 17:44.51 | JeffM2501 | this is code that is checked in? |
| 17:44.54 | lukstr | yes |
| 17:45.24 | JeffM2501 | let me get it |
| 17:45.26 | MindstormsKid | ... |
| 17:45.28 | lukstr | alright |
| 17:45.37 | JeffM2501 | usualy you define a typedef that defines the callback params, etc.. |
| 17:45.53 | lukstr | I might have... let me check |
| 17:45.54 | JeffM2501 | then your add factory function takes that as it's paramater |
| 17:46.03 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't have like class stuff in it |
| 17:46.05 | JeffM2501 | it's just a type |
| 17:46.10 | JeffM2501 | not a membmer of the class |
| 17:46.23 | JeffM2501 | then you just give the name of the static function |
| 17:46.28 | JeffM2501 | I usualy do it with derived classes |
| 17:46.36 | JeffM2501 | basicly make a BaseFactoryClass |
| 17:46.38 | lukstr | typedef WorldObject* (*WorldObjectFactory)(void); |
| 17:46.51 | JeffM2501 | and what does your addFactory take? |
| 17:47.25 | lukstr | World::WorldObjectFactory factory |
| 17:47.36 | JeffM2501 | is World a namespace? |
| 17:47.41 | lukstr | it's a class |
| 17:47.49 | JeffM2501 | the typedef is not part of a class |
| 17:47.54 | JeffM2501 | is it? |
| 17:48.22 | lukstr | it's in the public section of World's classdef... |
| 17:48.38 | JeffM2501 | is the addFactory part of world too? |
| 17:48.46 | lukstr | nope |
| 17:48.50 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 17:48.51 | lukstr | hence the World:: |
| 17:49.03 | lukstr | see Parser.h, World.cxx |
| 17:49.15 | JeffM2501 | well I don't think you need the & before the method when you pass it in, and the method should be static |
| 17:49.25 | JeffM2501 | since it's a function, not a method on an object |
| 17:49.34 | lukstr | what does the static do, I'm curious... |
| 17:49.36 | JeffM2501 | function pointers can't point back to an object of a class |
| 17:49.37 | lukstr | oh |
| 17:49.40 | lukstr | right |
| 17:49.48 | JeffM2501 | how would it know what instance of the object to call? |
| 17:49.54 | JeffM2501 | function pointers are C not C++ |
| 17:50.05 | lukstr | fair enough |
| 17:54.16 | JeffM2501 | that's why I use a factory base class, then you know what object it goes with |
| 17:54.26 | JeffM2501 | cus all you pass in is an object pointer |
| 17:56.59 | lukstr | I don't follow |
| 17:57.13 | JeffM2501 | if you define a base factory class |
| 17:57.21 | JeffM2501 | then define a box factory that derives from that base class |
| 17:57.29 | JeffM2501 | and implments a virtual "new" method |
| 17:57.47 | JeffM2501 | then your addFactory just takes a pointer to the base factory class |
| 17:58.10 | JeffM2501 | so it's like AddFactory ("box",new BoxFactory()); |
| 17:58.26 | JeffM2501 | then your list of factories is a list of BaseFactory pointers |
| 17:58.26 | lukstr | hm |
| 17:58.44 | JeffM2501 | and you just call ll factory->new() and get back what you need |
| 17:59.06 | JeffM2501 | but since it's a derived class and new is a virtual function, you actualy call BoxFactory->new() |
| 17:59.13 | lukstr | right |
| 17:59.39 | JeffM2501 | then there is no real mucking with statics, and non statics, etc.. |
| 17:59.52 | JeffM2501 | and you can bundle all the stuff that the BoxFactory may need in one shot |
| 17:59.56 | JeffM2501 | one class I mean |
| 18:00.35 | JeffM2501 | I usualy use it when the objects it makes are in a DLL, and the facotory has a new and delete method, that way the memory is allways allocated and deallocated in that DLL |
| 18:00.38 | JeffM2501 | and it's all clean |
| 18:01.55 | brlcad | there is a generic factory class already in bzflag include/Factory.h |
| 18:02.06 | JeffM2501 | even better |
| 18:02.08 | brlcad | takes a base class type and a key string |
| 18:02.10 | lukstr | well then |
| 18:02.19 | lukstr | I will take a lookseee |
| 18:02.32 | JeffM2501 | I mean you can do it with function pointers, I just find them 'icky" |
| 18:02.36 | lukstr | yes |
| 18:02.37 | lukstr | it is |
| 18:04.39 | brlcad | lukstr: src/bzfs/SpawnPolicyFactory.[h|cxx] is a relatively simple example of one way to use it |
| 18:04.48 | brlcad | though yours probably doesn't need to be a singleton |
| 18:05.03 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, you see the pdf of the biz card? |
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| 18:05.20 | brlcad | JeffM2501: yep, and you apparently didn't get a botmail reply :) |
| 18:05.27 | brlcad | stabs ibot |
| 18:05.33 | JeffM2501 | it's not the bots fault |
| 18:05.39 | JeffM2501 | it's JeffM's falut |
| 18:06.07 | brlcad | the blue bar seems gratuitous, the right side text could use some better layout |
| 18:06.20 | JeffM | sugestions? |
| 18:07.25 | brlcad | might look nice just without the blue bar, especially if printed up on thick glossy white cardstock |
| 18:07.40 | JeffM | it'll be glossy |
| 18:07.42 | JeffM | medium weight |
| 18:07.52 | brlcad | cool |
| 18:07.58 | JeffM | ok, so no bar |
| 18:08.03 | JeffM | what about the text on the right? |
| 18:08.15 | JeffM | I was just knda guessing, cus we don't have like an address :) |
| 18:08.21 | brlcad | i mean, I wouldn't cry about the bar, it's really really minor |
| 18:08.37 | JeffM | the bar was on the background I picked |
| 18:08.41 | JeffM | it's gone |
| 18:08.43 | lukstr | bzflag business cards? |
| 18:08.59 | JeffM | for when we go to the summit |
| 18:09.15 | lukstr | nice |
| 18:09.42 | brlcad | the url is redundant |
| 18:09.48 | JeffM | true |
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| 18:10.58 | JeffM | basicly we have the options here, http://www.staplescustomprinting.com/Full-Color-Business-Cards |
| 18:12.03 | lukstr | that american flag card is sweet |
| 18:12.23 | lukstr | same with Raging Fire |
| 18:14.26 | BulletCatcher | MindstormsKid: You have a box in the air, and you want to apply physics to the bottom that will affect a tank when it jumps up and bumps its top against it? |
| 18:14.40 | MindstormsKid | sorta |
| 18:15.04 | MindstormsKid | (close enough) |
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| 18:16.00 | MindstormsKid | i have |
| 18:16.01 | MindstormsKid | physics |
| 18:16.03 | MindstormsKid | name down |
| 18:16.04 | MindstormsKid | linear 0 0 -80 |
| 18:16.06 | MindstormsKid | end |
| 18:16.08 | MindstormsKid | but it doesn't work |
| 18:16.33 | MindstormsKid | and yes, the box refs it |
| 18:16.34 | BulletCatcher | If it doesn't work for you, then physics probably only work against the bottom of a tank. I haven't looked at the code to be sure. |
| 18:16.42 | MindstormsKid | hmm |
| 18:17.02 | MindstormsKid | flying_popcorn did it |
| 18:17.42 | MindstormsKid | :/ |
| 18:18.24 | me1 | physics only work on the bottom of a tank, iirc, flying popcorn might have set the ground next to the object to push you away |
| 18:18.59 | BulletCatcher | Or there could be an invisible object at the correct level. |
| 18:19.40 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 18:20.14 | BulletCatcher | Save a copy of FP's map and see for yourself how he did it. |
| 18:20.34 | MindstormsKid | ok |
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| 18:42.17 | brlcad | maybe make first three lines be name, title, e-mail -- then irc/nick/alias to the right of the ground bar |
| 18:43.15 | me1 | what do you need business cards for? |
| 18:43.34 | brlcad | kinda like layout 8 just using real name instead of company name |
| 18:43.51 | brlcad | me1: to conduct bzflag business? |
| 18:43.58 | me1 | ok |
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| 19:13.18 | JBdiGriz | JeffM: The right side of the card looks a bit crushed. Possibly removing the blue bar and moving the logo will help. |
| 19:17.15 | JBdiGriz | We should probably give bzflag.bz email addresses to all of the mentors. |
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| 20:24.00 | bz13 | ~bzfquery 212.25.170.133:5154 |
| 20:26.05 | bz13 | one question.. somebody know because my server isn't displayed in public list? |
| 20:26.20 | JeffM | they are did you set it as -public? |
| 20:26.21 | bz13 | i've query command ~bzfquery 212.25.170.133:5154 |
| 20:26.25 | bz13 | yes |
| 20:26.38 | bz13 | port is not firewalled |
| 20:26.41 | JeffM | did you set a -publicaddr ? |
| 20:26.54 | bz13 | yes 212.25.170.133:5154 |
| 20:27.09 | bz13 | and binded on interface qith this address |
| 20:27.18 | JeffM | ahh you have more then one interface? |
| 20:27.21 | bz13 | using direct ip and port i can connect |
| 20:27.25 | bz13 | no |
| 20:27.27 | bz13 | only one |
| 20:27.35 | JeffM | if you are just using the ip then you don't need the -publicaddr |
| 20:27.38 | bz13 | some day ago it work |
| 20:28.35 | JeffM | let me check |
| 20:28.46 | bz13 | k thanks, what i can do for you? |
| 20:28.54 | JeffM | just wait |
| 20:29.27 | JeffM | you are banned from the list server |
| 20:29.32 | JeffM | for map license violations |
| 20:29.37 | JeffM | that is why you don't show up |
| 20:29.45 | bz13 | ;( |
| 20:29.54 | bz13 | i've create this map |
| 20:30.03 | JeffM | did you base it on the work of others? |
| 20:30.34 | bz13 | can you use other words, i've not understand |
| 20:30.43 | JeffM | did you take an existing map and change it? |
| 20:31.01 | bz13 | yes |
| 20:31.07 | bz13 | i've do one more big |
| 20:31.18 | JeffM | ok did that map give you license to modify it? |
| 20:31.36 | bz13 | i don't know but i'm banned also with my map |
| 20:31.41 | bz13 | a new map |
| 20:31.56 | bz13 | may be similar to one existent |
| 20:32.05 | JeffM | well yeah you volated a map license, and we do treat software copyright very seriously |
| 20:32.07 | bz13 | can i remove from this list? |
| 20:32.11 | blast007 | looks like this map isn't yours either |
| 20:32.17 | JeffM | it is the only thing protecing bzflag |
| 20:32.26 | JeffM | you can not just take a map and change it and call it your own |
| 20:32.29 | JeffM | that is theft |
| 20:32.44 | bz13 | yes but i want make a big world |
| 20:32.47 | JeffM | so |
| 20:32.53 | bz13 | i've unlimitend bandwidth |
| 20:33.07 | bz13 | and i want do a big game |
| 20:33.07 | JeffM | I want a million dollars and a hot girlfiend, that dosn't mean I can just go grab someone elses |
| 20:33.10 | JeffM | so |
| 20:33.14 | bz13 | ;) |
| 20:33.25 | JeffM | ok, so you treat this as a joke, that is why you are banned |
| 20:33.26 | blast007 | based off "Ancient & Modern" by the purple panzer |
| 20:33.29 | JeffM | if you want a big world, MAKE ONE |
| 20:33.33 | JeffM | don't steal one |
| 20:33.49 | JeffM | or at least ask the author for permision to modify it |
| 20:33.50 | bz13 | i won't stole |
| 20:33.56 | bz13 | i don't know |
| 20:33.59 | JeffM | you did steal |
| 20:34.11 | bz13 | now i know |
| 20:34.13 | bz13 | ;( |
| 20:34.24 | bz13 | thanks for all |
| 20:34.48 | bz13 | now i work on my map and i will try to join in the hope that the ban is removed |
| 20:34.56 | bz13 | thanks again |
| 20:34.57 | JeffM | maybe after you get a map that isn't stolen and run it for a bit we'd consider removing the ban |
| 20:36.37 | JeffM | how old are you? |
| 20:37.55 | bz13 | 25 |
| 20:40.50 | JeffM | there are maps that do allow for modifications |
| 20:41.02 | JeffM | just be sure to actualy look for the license before you just go and grab it |
| 20:41.14 | JeffM | some maps are not even rehostable |
| 20:42.32 | bz13 | now i've just uploaded one my map |
| 20:42.46 | bz13 | isn't so big... but it's mine |
| 20:43.21 | JeffM | how did you make it? |
| 20:44.11 | bz13 | using pyBzEdit |
| 20:44.27 | JeffM | anyone want to verify the map for me? |
| 20:45.46 | blast007 | does pyBZEdit support world weapons? |
| 20:45.58 | bz13 | yes |
| 20:46.06 | bz13 | why you ask this? |
| 20:46.11 | blast007 | just wondering |
| 20:47.43 | JeffM | anyone against pulling the ban on him? |
| 20:48.26 | JeffM | the ban is removed, if we see you doing that again, it will be a much worse ban |
| 20:48.33 | JeffM | please respect copyright and licenses |
| 20:48.42 | bz13 | thanks Jeff and everybody |
| 20:49.03 | bz13 | my intention ins't stole, scuse me |
| 20:49.13 | bz13 | i don't know |
| 20:49.23 | bz13 | thanks again and have a lot fun |
| 20:49.29 | JeffM | well at 25, I'd think you'd know basic usage and copyright |
| 20:49.38 | JeffM | it's just common sense, don't steal |
| 20:50.38 | bz13 | ~bzfquery 212.25.170.133:5154 |
| 20:52.06 | bz13 | sorry, but i don't show my server on public list... i must wait? |
| 20:52.15 | JeffM | did you restart? |
| 20:52.20 | bz13 | yes |
| 20:53.32 | JeffM | you aren't in the list specific ban list anymore |
| 20:56.36 | bz13 | thank, now it's ok |
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| 22:56.39 | JeffM | enter root password to continue |
| 22:57.04 | Pryon | myf1ng3rs4r3f47 |
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