| 00:03.33 | brlcad | JeffM: I don't believe he really is eligible (at least in good faith) |
| 00:03.51 | JeffM | ok |
| 00:04.00 | brlcad | it's supposed to be people that are actively engaged in mentoring throughout the program (regardless of being assigned a student) |
| 00:04.06 | JeffM | fair nuf |
| 00:04.19 | JeffM | just wanted to see if we wanted to spread out the invites |
| 00:04.35 | JeffM | since I guess it's going to be us 3 again, and a jbd |
| 00:04.58 | brlcad | that should be pretty good |
| 00:05.26 | brlcad | maybe even get an okay on one more for the wait list since jbd is effectively 'free' |
| 00:06.13 | JeffM | noone else can go |
| 00:07.14 | brlcad | then we should be good to go! |
| 00:07.24 | blast007 | hire a stunt double! |
| 00:07.35 | JeffM | or YOU could just go |
| 00:07.37 | JeffM | ;) |
| 00:09.01 | CBG | I can go... I'm not busy. |
| 00:09.01 | blast007 | :P |
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| 00:16.50 | CIA-49 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r18532 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDuiServerInfo.cxx: Whitespace |
| 00:20.52 | delusional | i my 2.99 server is completing the reverse-resolve to fastwebserver.de but not bzflag.org |
| 00:28.36 | JeffM | and 2.0.x works fine? |
| 00:31.13 | delusional | here's 2.0 |
| 00:31.17 | delusional | CURLOPT_URL is : http://my.BZFlag.org/db/ |
| 00:31.17 | delusional | Player [0] accept() from 66.111.56.50:64662 on 7 |
| 00:31.17 | delusional | Player [0] submitted reverse resolve query |
| 00:31.18 | delusional | Player [0] removed at 2008-09-06 20:30:39: Disconnected |
| 00:31.53 | delusional | here's 2.99 |
| 00:31.55 | brlcad | the list server attaches |
| 00:31.56 | delusional | Submitted reverse resolve query for 66.111.56.50 |
| 00:31.56 | delusional | Submitted reverse resolve query for 85.114.133.144 |
| 00:31.56 | delusional | Address 85.114.133.144 resolved to p144.purple.fastwebserver.de |
| 00:31.59 | brlcad | but apparently cannot communicate |
| 00:32.11 | donny_baker | ~KingofCamelot++ |
| 00:34.17 | Winny | can any OS X users reccomend a good feed reder? |
| 00:34.28 | Winny | since Times is amazingly crashy |
| 00:34.33 | brlcad | Winny: safari? |
| 00:34.50 | Winny | brlcad: was thinking of a seperate app |
| 00:36.20 | Constitution | mail.app works well for me, although it's obviously not a dedicated app |
| 00:36.22 | brlcad | I keep most of my feeds on the bookmarks bar -- they display a number if/when the feed changes letting you know there is an update available |
| 00:36.35 | brlcad | pretty convenient |
| 00:36.57 | delusional | yeah, i find safari is decent as a feed reader |
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| 00:59.32 | Winny | Wait, Mail.app does RSS? hmm |
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| 01:22.25 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: I don't think we have one more for the wait list. |
| 01:22.46 | brlcad | no? |
| 01:23.10 | JBdiGriz | IIRC, all mentors have checked in. |
| 01:23.50 | JBdiGriz | Get Google to pay for DTR and Jeff, and I'll just tag along. |
| 01:25.52 | brlcad | what do you mean "all mentors have checked in"? |
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| 01:26.18 | brlcad | I mean for the waiting list -- that was for folks beyond the first two that google doesn't pay for |
| 01:26.51 | brlcad | which didn't sound like it was limited per org, it was limited by seating capacity at the googleplex |
| 01:27.05 | JBdiGriz | We asked all of the mentors about going. Except for the 3, everyone is busy that weekend. |
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| 02:53.09 | jacob_n | What's a bzid? |
| 02:53.33 | blast007 | the ID # from the forum |
| 02:54.04 | blast007 | unique to a user, and even if they change their name, it stays the same |
| 02:54.47 | jacob_n | how? does it track ip address? |
| 02:54.56 | blast007 | no |
| 02:55.03 | blast007 | it's for registered users |
| 02:55.27 | jacob_n | gotcha...how do they get it to stay the same...like say you register another through tor? |
| 02:55.42 | blast007 | why are you wondering? |
| 02:56.02 | jacob_n | im just curious :-/ |
| 02:56.27 | blast007 | like I said, it is not tracked by IP address |
| 02:56.48 | blast007 | it's per registration |
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| 02:57.15 | jacob_n | ok...what did you mean with this? "and even if they change their name, it stays the same" |
| 02:57.27 | blast007 | you can change your name on the forum in the profile section |
| 02:57.34 | blast007 | that's not a new account, just a name change |
| 02:57.46 | jacob_n | ok, thanks man |
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| 03:04.27 | Flash | since KingofCamelot didn't fix it.... |
| 03:04.33 | CIA-49 | BZFlag: 03jwmelto * r18533 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDuiServerList.cxx: Don't crash if the focus isn't on a server item |
| 03:13.16 | temp_dist | Flash: that commit stopped the crash I was having - and it lists the one server now |
| 03:36.45 | delusional | still no return from reverse resolve query for 66.111.56.50 |
| 03:52.25 | KingofCamelot | Flash: Thanks man, sorry, really busy today, as you can tell from my coming and goings |
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| 04:15.28 | brlcad | delusional: try flushing your dns cache |
| 04:15.41 | brlcad | (reset lookupd or named or whatever your OS uses) |
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| 04:16.06 | brlcad | ughs unotmeu |
| 04:16.59 | Flash | temp_dist: it fixed my crash too ;-) |
| 04:17.11 | Flash | and I saw your server AND mine |
| 04:17.20 | temp_dist | optic's* |
| 04:17.45 | Flash | ah |
| 04:18.11 | Flash | now, does ANYONE know why it takes SOOOOO long for Mac to start in fullscreen mode, but windowed is zippy? |
| 04:18.48 | temp_dist | the font creation |
| 04:18.58 | temp_dist | it takes for ever to build the main menu |
| 04:19.51 | blast007 | or is it that fancy fade in/out effect? |
| 04:20.12 | blast007 | ;) |
| 04:22.25 | temp_dist | that's all OpenGL - native to the OS, right? |
| 04:23.04 | delusional | brlcad i didnt do anything but it appears to be resolving now... Address 66.111.56.50 resolved to bz.bzflag.bz I get the zeebrothers now too |
| 04:24.21 | brlcad | Flash: resolution changes on a context switch take a long time |
| 04:24.53 | brlcad | you may have set the depth or resolution at some point |
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| 04:41.22 | Flash | but why is it sooo much slower than before? |
| 04:42.05 | brlcad | because the new fonts haven't had loading optimized |
| 04:42.06 | Flash | well, that wasn't bad |
| 04:42.52 | Flash | it seems like the first run after a new configure takes 15 seconds to draw the first menu. After that (subsequent invocations) it's much faster |
| 04:46.07 | Flash | KingofCamelot: you up for some more bug reports? |
| 04:46.21 | brlcad | Flash: profile it, find out why |
| 04:46.40 | Flash | brlcad: I do need to learn my Mac tools better |
| 04:46.56 | brlcad | indeed |
| 04:47.03 | brlcad | the CHUD tools are awesome |
| 04:47.35 | brlcad | almost as good as it gets and they're free |
| 04:50.10 | Flash | google CHUD .... first hit chud.com (hummus fetish site?) |
| 04:50.58 | Flash | hmmm. solaris has dtrace too; I wonder how much codebase they share? |
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| 05:02.51 | Flash | what is CountUTF8StringItr? |
| 05:09.22 | CIA-49 | BZFlag: 03jwmelto * r18534 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: document new server list bugs |
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| 05:19.58 | brlcad | Flash, try "CHUD tools" |
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| 15:59.30 | randomparticle | i've just compiled the latest 2.0.x |
| 15:59.44 | randomparticle | some text is all wobbly: |
| 15:59.47 | randomparticle | http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1PaAk5T59lzN15WRAr29E4lEMXh51 |
| 16:00.27 | randomparticle | wasn't like that before :) |
| 16:06.11 | BulletCatcher | We weren't properly licensed to distribute the old fonts. |
| 16:06.12 | BulletCatcher | Unfortunately, the replacements don't look as good. |
| 16:06.40 | randomparticle | oh |
| 16:07.05 | randomparticle | i could try and make some new ones |
| 16:07.59 | randomparticle | or maybe there are some better free ones out there? |
| 16:08.09 | BulletCatcher | The problem seems to be in the process of converting the fonts for use by 2.0.x. They look fine in 2.99.x, which uses a completely different font display system. |
| 16:08.22 | randomparticle | i see |
| 16:08.40 | randomparticle | how are they converted? |
| 16:10.49 | BulletCatcher | I don't know the whole process, but it involves the program in tools/TextTool-W32, which runs only on Windows machines. |
| 16:10.50 | BulletCatcher | Supposedly, the best results are obtained on a Windows 98 system, but no one seems to have one of those any more. |
| 16:11.14 | randomparticle | ok |
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| 16:11.47 | randomparticle | where are the originals (pre-conversion)? |
| 16:12.07 | BulletCatcher | They are still in the Subversion repository. |
| 16:12.27 | BulletCatcher | Or you can pull them from a 2.0.10 tarball. |
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| 16:14.11 | randomparticle | they're not dejavu fonts? |
| 16:14.44 | BulletCatcher | Ooops. Sorry. I misread your question. |
| 16:14.58 | BulletCatcher | The .ttf files are from http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:15.02 | randomparticle | ok, thanks |
| 16:15.12 | randomparticle | so this program produces the fmt and png files? |
| 16:15.16 | randomparticle | from the ttfs? |
| 16:15.34 | BulletCatcher | As I understand it, yes. |
| 16:15.46 | randomparticle | ok. i'll see if i can improve those pngs |
| 16:16.05 | BulletCatcher | It would be very much appreciated if you could. |
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| 16:25.02 | blast007 | I can get a Windows 98 system if we really need it :P VMWare ftw |
| 16:25.29 | randomparticle | what is that fmt format? |
| 16:25.33 | randomparticle | does it have a name? |
| 16:25.46 | blast007 | I think it's just custom for our font system |
| 16:25.49 | Ratfink | Would it be possible to run BZFlag on a PSP if Linux was installed on that PSP? |
| 16:25.55 | randomparticle | ah, ok |
| 16:25.57 | blast007 | Ratfink: maybe |
| 16:26.20 | Ratfink | Of course you would have to install mesa, too. |
| 16:26.26 | Winny | Ratfink: controls might be a bit akward |
| 16:26.30 | blast007 | I haven't gotten BZ to compile on my PS2 yet :( |
| 16:26.41 | Ratfink | I figured that. |
| 16:26.46 | blast007 | well..heck.. I haven't gotten a bzfs newer than 1.7e2 to compile yet either... |
| 16:27.08 | Ratfink | It might be better to make BZFlag an official PSP game. |
| 16:27.16 | Ratfink | Don't know how to do that, though. |
| 16:27.23 | Winny | Ratfink: wanna pay about 15,000$ for an SDK? |
| 16:27.30 | Ratfink | What? |
| 16:27.39 | Winny | the PSP isn't an open platform |
| 16:27.43 | Winny | you gotta pay to develop for it |
| 16:27.59 | Ratfink | That's total **** |
| 16:28.50 | blast007 | why? |
| 16:28.53 | blast007 | it's how it works |
| 16:29.00 | Ratfink | Or does the PSP support any form of GL? |
| 16:29.03 | randomparticle | is how they sell consoles below cost |
| 16:29.40 | blast007 | Ratfink: that would be something for you to research :P |
| 16:29.41 | Gnurdux | this is why i dont like consoles |
| 16:29.46 | Winny | Ratfink: Sony sells SDKs to developers, developers make games, game sell, make developers money |
| 16:30.02 | Ratfink | So it's just a gamble. |
| 16:30.11 | Ratfink | If your game is good, you make up your loss. |
| 16:30.31 | blast007 | well, you don't have to buy an SDK per game |
| 16:30.35 | blast007 | you buy it per developer |
| 16:31.08 | Winny | Sony needs to make money somehow |
| 16:31.21 | BulletCatcher | s/needs/wants/ :-) |
| 16:31.23 | blast007 | it also helps keep the quality of games higher |
| 16:31.29 | Ratfink | It's still totat s*** |
| 16:31.40 | blast007 | if the SDK was free, you'd have every dork making games |
| 16:31.55 | Ratfink | And then everybody would be happy. |
| 16:31.57 | blast007 | if it's $15k (or whatever it is), you limit that to people who are really serious about game development |
| 16:32.00 | Ratfink | Except sony. |
| 16:32.01 | blast007 | Ratfink: uh, no |
| 16:32.03 | blast007 | then it would be a joke |
| 16:32.27 | Gnurdux | why would that be bad? |
| 16:32.36 | Ratfink | Sony would make no money. |
| 16:32.49 | Winny | Ratfink: Console companies spend millions on developing their consoles. They need to recoup their investment somehow |
| 16:33.07 | blast007 | why? because people would see the general quality of games as crap, and might not buy the device |
| 16:33.09 | Winny | Every major console's SDK costs money. It's not limited to Sony. |
| 16:33.09 | randomparticle | microsoft lost $4 billion on the original xbox |
| 16:33.36 | randomparticle | sony have already lost more on the PS3 than they made on the PS2 |
| 16:33.55 | randomparticle | it's a huge game for them too |
| 16:34.56 | randomparticle | if you want something to hate sony for: securom :) |
| 16:36.12 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 16:41.21 | randomparticle | is/was any kind of aliasing used on lines drawn in bz? |
| 16:41.39 | randomparticle | *anti-aliasing |
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| 17:02.23 | TD-Linux | randomparticle, yes |
| 17:02.28 | TD-Linux | old-style boxes and pyramids use line smoothing |
| 17:03.36 | randomparticle | tx |
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| 18:52.48 | donny_baker | KTL: bzflag3.norang.ca is experiencing a network outage |
| 18:53.14 | donny_baker | KTL: the T1 is down and AT&T needs access to the site, there will no one on site till tomorrow |
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| 19:38.45 | Flash | brlcad: (or whoever) I did some profiling, and it looked like one of the bottlenecks was a double->float conversion down in FTGL. I made some changes, and they seem to be better, but I don't want to commit without conversation first |
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| 20:37.34 | CIA-49 | BZFlag: 03kingofcamelot * r18535 10/trunk/bzflag/ (BUGS src/bzflag/ServerMenu.cxx): Fixed a bug where users couldn't type 'r' in the new tab control in the ServerMenu. |
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| 20:49.03 | KTL | thanks for the info donny_baker |
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| 21:06.07 | KTL | another skeletron sighting |
| 21:06.25 | KTL | alachua.homelinux.net : 4952 |
| 21:06.49 | KTL | still cheating |
| 21:08.47 | donny_baker | ew admins on that server |
| 21:08.51 | donny_baker | few* |
| 21:09.26 | KTL | what is gbzadmin ? |
| 21:09.32 | KTL | a gnome bzadmin interface? |
| 21:09.42 | Flash | ~KingofCamelot++ |
| 21:09.54 | Flash | how about the crash? |
| 21:14.41 | _anomaly_ | I banned Sk3letr0n, again |
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| 21:15.37 | KingofCamelot | Flash: I'll look into it, although I didn't touch HUDuiTypeIn during my coding, so I think that already existed |
| 21:20.01 | Flash | I know why it's crashing, I just don't know what it is SUPPOSED to do, so it's hard to fix |
| 21:24.11 | _anomaly_ | KTL: gbzadmin is a GTK bzadmin clone. Written entirely in C. |
| 21:24.40 | KTL | myes and you think about porting it to c++, saw the forum |
| 21:25.13 | _anomaly_ | I am trying to motivate myself to learn GTKmm, yes |
| 21:26.12 | KTL | sounds familiar |
| 21:34.10 | KingofCamelot | Flash: Why's it crashing? |
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| 21:34.38 | Flash | you are subtracting two random char* to get a "offset" |
| 21:35.39 | Flash | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.58 | Flash | you should not assume anything about std::string::c_str() from one invocation to the next |
| 21:36.07 | Flash | that's a totally bogus construct |
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| 21:42.03 | KingofCamelot | Like I said, I didn't write that code :) |
| 21:42.18 | Flash | ok, but can you tell me what it's trying to do? |
| 21:42.28 | KingofCamelot | I can try |
| 21:42.41 | KingofCamelot | DT would probably know best |
| 21:43.58 | TD-Linux | well string.c_str() is the beginning of the buffer |
| 21:44.16 | TD-Linux | and cursorPos.getBufferFromHere() is a pointer to somewhere inside that buffer |
| 21:44.26 | TD-Linux | so you can figure how many characters into the buffer you are |
| 21:44.39 | Flash | the buffer isn't guaranteed not to change over the life of the string |
| 21:44.53 | TD-Linux | what do you mean? |
| 21:45.16 | Flash | what if you make the string longer and different memory needs to be allocated to hold it? |
| 21:45.23 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 21:45.25 | TD-Linux | well, yes |
| 21:45.33 | TD-Linux | just don't do anything with the string during that time :P |
| 21:45.49 | Flash | right, so you never hang on to pointers that can change |
| 21:46.09 | Flash | and since this code is dealing with typing in stuff..... |
| 21:47.47 | KingofCamelot | Flash: From what I can tell that code has to do with when a user deletes a character, it deals with copying the remaining text into a new buffer and setting the cursor position correctly |
| 21:48.05 | Flash | shouldn't be deletion only |
| 21:48.13 | Flash | because it crashed when I simply appended |
| 21:48.35 | Flash | I think if you delete first, then getBufferFromHere will work properly |
| 21:50.16 | KingofCamelot | Oh, you're right, didn't see that the code was also used even when backspace isn't pressed |
| 21:50.54 | KingofCamelot | In that case it looks like it's using it to find the cursor position, so it knows where the text is being inserted |
| 21:51.19 | Flash | the cursor position is what should be stored, not the pointer into the string |
| 21:52.13 | KingofCamelot | well size_t pos = (cursorPos.getBufferFromHere() - string.c_str()); is getting the position and storing it, from what I can tell |
| 21:52.33 | Flash | only of cursorPos.getBufferFromHere() is valid |
| 21:53.08 | KingofCamelot | Ok, I'm not sure what getBufferFromHere() does |
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| 21:55.54 | KingofCamelot | DTRemenak, ping |
| 21:57.06 | Flash | you scared him away |
| 21:58.19 | Winny | hehe |
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| 23:22.14 | blast007 | KingofCamelot: looks like a ping timeout to me ;) |
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