| 00:00.00 | Ratfink | So am I. |
| 00:00.08 | Amoeba | oh right unregestered |
| 00:00.08 | Ratfink | But I don't whine about it. |
| 00:00.22 | JeffM | that wasn't even how |
| 00:00.28 | Amoeba | oh, ha ha ratty |
| 00:00.45 | CBG | Rule #1: Don't chat in official development channels when you could /msg or another channel is available. |
| 00:01.00 | Amoeba | k... |
| 00:01.26 | JeffM | there is a chat channel if you want |
| 00:01.47 | Amoeba | ok, thanks |
| 00:01.50 | JeffM | the bigest thing was that you said hello to everyone and asking if people were "real" |
| 00:02.07 | Ratfink | What is this chat channel? |
| 00:02.13 | JeffM | #bzchat |
| 00:02.20 | Ratfink | Aaahhh. |
| 00:02.36 | Amoeba | oh um sorry, people tend to copy names |
| 00:02.44 | JeffM | on here, generaly not |
| 00:03.28 | Amoeba | so youre the bzflag developer? |
| 00:03.35 | JeffM | a not the |
| 00:03.36 | JeffM | there are many |
| 00:04.00 | Amoeba | i know, but youre the one on the forums |
| 00:04.11 | Amoeba | often |
| 00:04.28 | JeffM | a number of devs talk on the fourms, but yes I do as well |
| 00:04.31 | Lukstr | JeffM is omniscient :) |
| 00:04.36 | AHA | there are many that talk on the forums |
| 00:04.39 | JeffM | not likely |
| 00:04.48 | AHA | lolo |
| 00:04.50 | AHA | *lol |
| 00:04.58 | CBG | Not sure that's the word I would have used, Lukstr.. :P |
| 00:05.04 | Amoeba | i figured Ratfink would worship you |
| 00:05.10 | Birdie | eh, is there a way to make your radar higher (moving up high) cause i cant see what i type..nor the first message down on my radar |
| 00:05.15 | Amoeba | IF he gets the chance |
| 00:05.27 | CBG | Nah, Ratfink's been here at least an hour... |
| 00:05.36 | AHA | Birdie, thats probably a problem with your resolution |
| 00:05.48 | AHA | try changing it in game |
| 00:05.59 | Birdie | i fear that to, but is there a way around it? |
| 00:06.01 | Birdie | ah |
| 00:06.12 | AHA | Options->Display->Change Video Format |
| 00:07.42 | Amoeba | um, i hate to bug you, but ive never gotten a clear answer exactly on why fullscreen radar isnt included in bzflag, will YOU answer JeffM? |
| 00:07.55 | Birdie | i guess i better dont do that but fix the problem on my computer:( |
| 00:08.07 | Birdie | although i have no idea outside reinstalling my driver i dont have |
| 00:08.45 | CBG | Amoeba: why not make it? |
| 00:09.30 | Amoeba | what, alter the client? |
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| 00:11.04 | Amoeba1 | most leagues and players in general dont seem to smile upon that |
| 00:11.17 | Constitution | Amoeba: the developers decided not to allow it because it detracts from the 3D view, and BZFlag is supposed to be a 3D game. It's a simple design decision. |
| 00:11.31 | Amoeba1 | aw, i hate that |
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| 00:11.38 | Constitution | If the leagues wanted to allow it, they could. But they don't. |
| 00:11.49 | Birdie | leagues would allow it (at least gu league) i think IF it was included in a release on each system (linux, windows,...) |
| 00:11.50 | AHA | some leagues do, actually |
| 00:12.01 | Birdie | well thats my opinion though |
| 00:12.05 | Amoeba1 | nbecause you can set it to be transparent.... |
| 00:12.22 | AHA | Amoeba1, we have had this discussion many times |
| 00:12.32 | AHA | it is not going to be added |
| 00:12.34 | AHA | simple |
| 00:12.42 | Amoeba1 | oh well ill settle for 75% size, sorry to bring it up AGAIN |
| 00:13.38 | CBG | Amoeba: yes, alter the client. If you get it working, there is a (slim) chance it will be added to the project. |
| 00:14.02 | Amoeba1 | really? that WOULD be cool... |
| 00:14.33 | AHA | CBG, Its an easy change |
| 00:14.42 | CBG | Sounds from others here that it would most likely NOT be added, but doesn't stop you using it generally. |
| 00:14.51 | CBG | AHA: ok, great. Why are you telling me? |
| 00:15.17 | AHA | "If you get it working, there is a (slim) chance it will be added to the project" |
| 00:15.19 | Amoeba1 | that would be good, im not very um, programmy |
| 00:15.34 | Constitution | CBG: fullscreen radar will not be added to the project-maintained source |
| 00:15.38 | Constitution | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5670 |
| 00:15.52 | CBG | Constitution: great. Again, why are you telling me? :) |
| 00:16.04 | Amoeba1 | it just makes me sad.... |
| 00:16.05 | Constitution | because you just made a statement that was untrue :) |
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| 00:16.17 | Amoeba1 | hi again |
| 00:16.55 | CBG | NOTICE: CBG does not care for the development of a full screen radar in bzflag nor the likelihood of such a development being added to the project maintained source. |
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| 02:17.01 | lol_udied | Hi can someone please help me? |
| 02:17.18 | lol_udied | I just installed Linux Ubuntu and I download the bzflag 2.0.12 and I need help to compile it |
| 02:17.30 | lol_udied | I tryed following instructions that was included |
| 02:17.32 | lol_udied | no good |
| 02:18.26 | lol_udied | I will allow any desktop connection to people I know on bzflag |
| 02:23.38 | Pryon | Why not just do 'sudo apt-get install bzflag' ? |
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| 02:29.19 | lol_udied | whats that? |
| 02:29.42 | lol_udied | is that a command? |
| 02:29.50 | lol_udied | (im new to linux by the way) |
| 02:29.58 | Pryon | Yes. |
| 02:30.39 | blast007 | won't be 2.0.12, but it'll be something (2.0.8 or 2.0.10 probably) |
| 02:31.25 | lol_udied | So the easy install is only for those versions blast? |
| 02:31.26 | Pryon | and you won't have to mess with that extremely complex './configure && make && sudo make install' |
| 02:32.27 | lol_udied | So then what do I do? Im confused |
| 02:32.45 | Pryon | It's 2.0.8 on etch and 2.0.10 in sid, so ubuntu is unlikely to have anything older than 2.0.10 |
| 02:33.08 | lol_udied | So i can easily install bzflag with 2.0.10 |
| 02:33.11 | Pryon | lol_udied: install the version meant for your system |
| 02:33.14 | lol_udied | right? |
| 02:33.25 | Pryon | That's what the package manager's there for |
| 02:33.32 | lol_udied | ok thanks |
| 02:33.34 | lol_udied | bye |
| 02:35.08 | blast007 | Pryon: he's on Ubuntu, not Debian :) |
| 02:35.15 | blast007 | oh, nvm |
| 02:35.20 | Pryon | apt-get will still work :-) |
| 02:35.23 | blast007 | read the last part of your sentence. Yay for reading! |
| 02:35.40 | Pryon | oh, my turn to misread |
| 02:39.29 | blast007 | I read* |
| 02:39.43 | blast007 | you didn't misread anything :) |
| 02:39.54 | Pryon | Well, I thought you were saying that apt-get was only for debian |
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| 04:03.13 | Flash | CBG: I heard you were going to develop full-screen radar :-) |
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| 08:44.03 | gcbirzan | Hey. I'm having an issue with bzflag on Windows... Some of the text is missing/garbled, like the menu text, score and some other stuff. http://208.78.101.115/~gcbirzan/bzflag.jpg Any idea what might be causing this and/or how to fix it? (Using 2.0.10) |
| 08:53.32 | delusional_ | idunno what's causing it, but if all you wanna do is fix it, start bu getting yourself a fresh copy of bzflag |
| 08:54.21 | gcbirzan | I did that. Uninstalled it and installed again, same thing |
| 08:55.12 | delusional_ | is it an "official" build? |
| 08:55.58 | gcbirzan | Yeah, the one off the project's page on SF.net. |
| 08:56.16 | delusional_ | vista? |
| 08:56.21 | gcbirzan | Nah, XP. |
| 08:57.44 | delusional_ | well, it's a slow night around here, you gave a good explanation of your problem.. someone with better knowledge than mine will show up sooner or later, stay tuned. |
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| 15:25.35 | Winny | ~power-outage-- |
| 15:26.30 | MindstormsKid | hmm? |
| 15:26.38 | MindstormsKid | oh :P |
| 15:26.43 | MindstormsKid | oh |
| 15:26.47 | MindstormsKid | huh? :P |
| 15:29.48 | me1 | ~power-outage++ |
| 15:30.15 | MindstormsKid | oh |
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| 15:56.51 | spldart | Actually it's AC current ~power-outage+-+-+-+- |
| 16:02.26 | blast007 | heh |
| 16:02.51 | MindstormsKid | ohi, blast |
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| 16:04.36 | Darklust | hey |
| 16:07.57 | blast007 | hi Darklust, bye Darklust |
| 16:08.04 | blast007 | and hi MindstormsKid :) |
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| 16:54.57 | JimBobIII | So I wwas looking through the chatlogs of the last couple days, seeing how much of an asshat I've been, when I noticed |
| 16:55.16 | JimBobIII | that someone accused me of hacking a server |
| 16:55.51 | JeffM | take it up with them, not here |
| 16:56.06 | JimBobIII | This probably doesn't matter to anyone, but while I am a huge asshole, I haven't and never will take down anyone's server or anything of the like. |
| 16:56.12 | JeffM | language please |
| 16:56.21 | JimBobIII | That's really all I had to say. |
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| 17:01.35 | blast007 | hmm, CIA isn't working :( |
| 17:03.47 | blast007 | well, anyway, the HTTPServer stuff for the plugins now has a few new content types for CSS, XML, and JSON |
| 17:04.03 | JeffM2501 | nice |
| 17:04.25 | JeffM2501 | have you found it woking out ok? |
| 17:05.58 | blast007 | I haven't gotten too far yet |
| 17:06.11 | blast007 | trying to see if I can get it to send a CSS file |
| 17:06.53 | blast007 | think I'll just start with a more basic plugin (I was trying to update the webadmin stuff a bit) |
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| 17:36.07 | blast007 | hehe, think this is a bit wrong: |
| 17:36.10 | blast007 | Page generated by webReport in 1021.915 seconds |
| 17:36.13 | JeffM2501 | has his own ideas of what we should do with webadmin |
| 17:36.17 | JeffM2501 | HAH |
| 17:37.14 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather use webstats as the base then webadmin |
| 17:37.20 | JeffM2501 | I belive it does more |
| 17:37.35 | blast007 | and by "more" you mean "something" |
| 17:37.39 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:37.56 | JeffM2501 | it may be possible to port the templates from webadmin |
| 17:38.01 | JeffM2501 | as they are probalby bletter |
| 17:38.03 | JeffM2501 | better |
| 17:38.48 | blast007 | I'm not overly impressed even with the web layout of the webadmin stuff |
| 17:39.01 | JeffM2501 | it didn't look that complex to me |
| 17:39.16 | blast007 | I just mean it looks like crap ;) |
| 17:41.10 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 17:41.18 | JeffM2501 | but I think they are better then the ones I did |
| 17:57.29 | blast007 | wee.. "There are no reports, sorry" and yet I made 3 of them ;D time to debug |
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| 18:29.40 | JeffM2501 | whoot, there was a shipping exploit on the store... glad that didn't get too bad :) |
| 18:31.01 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:32.04 | JeffM2501 | you could buy 3 things and get free shipping :) |
| 18:32.55 | JeffM2501 | now you have to buy 13 things before that happens :) |
| 18:33.14 | brlcad | 3nice |
| 18:33.24 | Erroneous | thinks we should advertise that - "buy a baker's dozen, get free shipping!" |
| 18:33.43 | JeffM2501 | I think you'd have to buy everything we have |
| 18:33.53 | JeffM2501 | the grays are all gone now |
| 18:34.04 | Erroneous | heh. we can't fill that just out of 2xls and 3xls? :) |
| 18:34.15 | JeffM2501 | I've sold some |
| 18:34.22 | JeffM2501 | since they've gone on sale |
| 18:34.29 | JeffM2501 | but yeah |
| 18:34.42 | JeffM2501 | we have 17 items left |
| 18:36.42 | JeffM2501 | 2 s, 1 m, 1 l, 2xl, 9 xxl, 2, xxxl |
| 18:38.53 | spldart | considers another xxl... hrmm |
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| 21:14.14 | Winny | JeffM2501: can you SSH into your sago server? or are you having issues too? |
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| 21:31.43 | JeffM2501 | Winny, yeah I can get in |
| 21:31.46 | JeffM2501 | ssh and HTTP |
| 21:31.56 | Winny | k |
| 21:32.11 | JeffM2501 | I got a message that sunday there would be downtime maybe |
| 21:32.28 | Winny | same here |
| 21:32.43 | JeffM2501 | .bz has been slow as hell today |
| 21:34.04 | Winny | yeah, it appears as if my connection is being canned by level3 |
| 21:34.21 | JeffM2501 | did you send them the yearly tythe? |
| 21:34.38 | JeffM2501 | I sent brownies, they seemed to like them |
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| 21:39.50 | Lukstr | DTRemenak / Erroneous: Ping |
| 21:43.34 | Erroneous | Lukstr: pong |
| 21:50.24 | Winny | can someone in here run a traceroute on 66.111.38.151, please? |
| 21:50.29 | Winny | perferably more then one person |
| 21:50.32 | Winny | and pastebin the results |
| 22:09.08 | Winny | one can of snakeoil needed |
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| 22:20.43 | a_temp_dist | Winny: http://planetmofo.pastebin.com/d7ebea230 |
| 22:21.14 | Winny | a_temp_dist: thanks |
| 22:21.17 | Winny | stabs level3 |
| 22:25.43 | brad | http://pastebin.ca/1187918 ^ |
| 22:26.06 | Winny | brad: thanks |
| 22:30.38 | donny_baker | Winny: there was a major fiber cut here in Indiana... that may be causing you issues |
| 22:31.06 | Winny | traceroutes show that we're being dumped in atlanta |
| 22:31.12 | Winny | although that is logical |
| 22:31.19 | Winny | donny_baker: when did it happen? |
| 22:31.44 | donny_baker | started aroud 11 am iirc |
| 22:32.04 | donny_baker | I am getting dumped in Atlanta as well |
| 22:32.08 | Winny | not exactly sure when the connection problems started - I havent been around much today |
| 22:32.36 | Winny | what's odd it: try 66.111.38.153 - points to the same server, just a different IP |
| 22:32.44 | mdskpr_ | oh yeah i heard about that....are you winny in indiana? |
| 22:32.53 | Winny | nope, not even close |
| 22:32.53 | donny_baker | knocked one of our offices in Huntington completely offline... no network or phones |
| 22:54.42 | whodaman- | wait |
| 22:54.49 | whodaman- | is the mousebox gonna be taken out in 3.0? |
| 22:56.19 | Winny | I thought it was going to be a mouse circle |
| 22:56.28 | whodaman- | . |
| 22:56.42 | whodaman- | Wow, has anyone thought about how this will change everything in leagues? |
| 22:56.54 | whodaman- | well, i guess the players aren't forced to use 3.0 |
| 22:57.32 | JeffM2501 | at this time it is the same |
| 22:57.58 | whodaman- | shots will be dealt with by the server? |
| 22:58.02 | whodaman- | instead of the client..? |
| 22:58.10 | whodaman- | that's for sure, correct? |
| 22:59.32 | whodaman- | Doesn't that mean..a player would die, because his client told him he had more time to dodge? |
| 22:59.45 | whodaman- | but the server says it's a kill? |
| 22:59.58 | whodaman- | didn't put that well, but you know what i mean. |
| 23:00.12 | Erroneous | for 4.0 probably |
| 23:01.48 | whodaman- | oh |
| 23:01.51 | whodaman- | but not 3.0 |
| 23:01.51 | whodaman- | cool |
| 23:02.03 | Erroneous | depends when we release 3.0 |
| 23:02.24 | Erroneous | we basically have one bug which we must fix for 3.0 |
| 23:02.26 | Winny | doesn't the mousebox act as if it were a circle now, anyways? |
| 23:02.35 | Erroneous | no, it's a square |
| 23:02.55 | Erroneous | x and y are handled separately, we do no diagonal interpolation |
| 23:03.13 | Winny | I could swear someone said it acted like it was a circle, and the square was just on there |
| 23:03.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah I did that one as a round thing ONCE |
| 23:03.22 | JeffM2501 | but never commited it |
| 23:03.39 | JeffM2501 | no it's a square and always wil do so |
| 23:03.47 | whodaman- | okay |
| 23:03.51 | JeffM2501 | since as Erroneous says, Y is speed, and X is turn |
| 23:03.56 | whodaman- | that's comforting |
| 23:03.57 | JeffM2501 | they don't realy relate to each other in any way |
| 23:04.14 | JeffM2501 | if I change it, it will become a U not a square |
| 23:04.25 | JeffM2501 | and work the same way |
| 23:04.34 | JeffM2501 | it'll just have more feedback |
| 23:04.46 | JeffM2501 | and the arrow won't get in the way of seeing where to shoot :) |
| 23:05.28 | whodaman- | ah yea |
| 23:05.54 | JeffM2501 | the mousebox setting we have now will become a sensitivity setting, and the smallbox will be a deadzone setting. |
| 23:06.04 | JeffM2501 | so it'll be there just with different feedback |
| 23:06.16 | JeffM2501 | feedback that will work for all input modes |
| 23:08.37 | whodaman- | okay |
| 23:08.48 | JeffM2501 | and tha'ts all "if" ;) |
| 23:09.11 | whodaman- | yeah |
| 23:09.20 | whodaman- | i was freaked gameplay in the leagues was gonna be trashed.. :) |
| 23:09.24 | JeffM2501 | the problem I have with the current system is it gives no feedback to accelerations |
| 23:09.51 | JeffM2501 | and it uses screenspace for senstitivty instead of arbritray values |
| 23:10.15 | JeffM2501 | basicly people with larger displays have more controll granularity |
| 23:18.01 | whodaman- | yes |
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| 23:44.17 | Winny | sagonet at their finest |
| 23:44.19 | Winny | "There was a nullroute on your IP, no reason was stated as to why it was there.. so I removed it." |
| 23:45.30 | brlcad | sounds like someone was using your machine/ip as an attack point |
| 23:46.09 | Winny | brlcad: hm? |
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| 23:46.36 | brlcad | sounds like they did you a favor |
| 23:47.07 | Winny | ..surely they would tell us |
| 23:48.16 | Winny | I can't imagine they'd do it on purpose and then not tell us |
| 23:48.22 | brlcad | that's just follow-through -- if it was null-routed, that's 'probably' because the networking staff identified a serious problem to/from that IP |
| 23:49.57 | brlcad | either that or it was a simple fat-fingering, but especially if it was outbound-in, they did (you) good |
| 23:50.27 | brlcad | the only failure was documenting it |
| 23:50.54 | Winny | last time they nullrouted us they told us within 5 minutes with an email and a ticket |
| 23:51.13 | brlcad | so? |
| 23:52.27 | brlcad | there are humans that have to enter those tickets, could have just gone to the lunch/bathroom/phone and forgot |
| 23:52.34 | brlcad | the fact that it's happened to you before .. damn |
| 23:53.00 | brlcad | need to focus a bit more on security/operations |
| 23:53.22 | Winny | there's nothing wrong this time. |
| 23:55.41 | brlcad | and you know that how? |
| 23:55.47 | brlcad | a null-route doesn't just manifest itself |
| 23:56.16 | brlcad | all you know is they don't know why and nobody told you anything was wrong |
| 23:56.27 | brlcad | i'd be doing my own comprehensive audit |
