IRC log for #bzflag on 20080820

00:00.21scgtrpfun. yet another reason to hate flash
00:00.48Winnyyeah
00:00.54Winnyand another reason to run noscript
00:01.42scgtrphm, is there a way to make a dropped flag return to the zone it came from?
00:03.05JeffMplugin
00:15.25scgtrpwhich plugin?
00:19.47JeffMone you write
00:23.40scgtrp... other servers have it, i've seen it
00:23.58scgtrpplenty of servers have something where if you drop a flag it doesn't stay right there
00:23.59JeffMthey could be using flag stay
00:24.13JeffMsome flags do that by default
00:24.15JeffMlike GM
00:24.54scgtrpnone do on my server
00:26.29JeffMGM should auto zap on drop
00:27.10AAA_awrightIsn't there a +f for individual zones?
00:27.31JeffMyou can add flags per zone
00:27.38JeffMthat will spawn the flags in that zone
00:27.44JeffMdon't think it'll do it on drop tho
00:27.53JeffMzoneflag and flag are the options
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00:30.53scgtrpzoneflag is what i'm using
00:31.24scgtrp"Listed flag will spawn in the zone. The flags must be be specified for the server via BZFS options. One flag per call." -- i can't tell if that's what i want
00:31.30JeffMthat just spawns them in that zone, I don't bleive it forces a respawn
00:31.34JeffMnot on drop
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00:39.29scgtrphttp://scgtrp.dyndns.org/~mike/bzfi0002.png << anyone know why rendering problems like that happen to me? they just start spontaneously and continue until i restart the game
00:47.33mdskpris there any way to spawn initially on the opposite teams base?
00:52.18mdskprnobody is around
00:52.24brlcadmdskpr: not unless the map-maker designs the map to be that way with spawn zones
00:52.31brlcadand you have to be patient
00:52.34mdskprok
00:52.44brlcadwe don't all just sit here waiting for random folks to ask questions
00:52.46brlcadyou ask and wait
00:52.51mdskprohk brl
00:53.10mdskprbut i make maps sooo and i tried zones but they failed
00:53.38brlcadscgtrp: looks like your depth buffer is disabled
00:54.06BulletCatcherscgtrp: If you use "-set _maxFlagGrabs 0" and zoneflag then the flags will always return to their zone.
00:54.38scgtrpbrlcad, hm? it happens spontaneously, i don't think it's a config problem, but what should i try doing then? (it's an i845g video card)
00:54.44scgtrpBulletCatcher, ooh, thanks
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01:59.32AAA_awrightHm, BZFlag doesn't seem to shoot straight when you are moving to the side for L
02:05.27spldartL has never seemed straight when moving lateral.
02:06.19TheRedBaronbullets are subjective to momentum
02:06.43TheRedBaronclassic example of this are jump shots
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13:01.46CIA-37BZFlag: 03kingofcamelot * r18434 10/branches/gsoc_server_listing/ (7 files in 3 dirs): ServerList now has callbacks for when a new server is added, as well as when a server is made a favorite, or a recent server. Commit also includes more refactoring.
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16:13.10scgtrpis there a way to apply a physics driver only to the top face of a meshbox?
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16:15.06me1scgtrp, not sure if this is it, but try phydrv top <name>
16:16.11scgtrpme1, couldn't find PhysicsDriver: top
16:16.14blast007scgtrp: death physics?
16:16.16scgtrptop phydrv doesn't work either
16:16.25scgtrpand that might not be my problem after all
16:16.30scgtrpblast007, linear, it's a jump pad
16:16.40me1scgtrp, make a box using mesh, and make the top face have it
16:16.48blast007hmm, then what other side would have the effect?
16:17.00blast007only the top should do anthing, since they have to be on the object
16:17.27me1oh, for a jump pad, blast007 is right. I thought you meant death physics or something
16:17.45scgtrpbasically, when i jump onto the pad, it works fine, if i drive on it from the side it works fine, but if i drive from the front it only jumps half as far, and if i drive on it from the back it's as if i'm driving into a solid wall, i can't even go onto it
16:18.19me1scgtrp, from the front you have to consider the momentum of your moving tank
16:18.29Winnyyou can do "top matref <material>", so maybe you can do "top phydrv <physics>"?
16:18.36scgtrpyeah, figured it was that. can i have it ignore that momentum then?
16:18.37me1Winny, nope
16:18.55blast007well, setting it to the top won't do anything different
16:18.59me1scgtrp, it's physics, go take it up with the scientists. :P
16:19.00blast007that's already what it's doing
16:21.01blast007hmm, wonder if it would be useful to have an official map library, and then have that instead of the Map Releases forum
16:21.22me1scgtrp, the reason you can't drive on it from the back is a problem with the meshbox object where a tank gets stuck sometimes, afaik
16:21.54blast007drop the height of the jumppad down by like 0.1 or 0.01 and see if that helps
16:22.16blast007then it shouldn't affect the tank until is "drops" onto the pad
16:22.21blast007it*
16:22.54blast007or heck, if you think it's a bug, report it on SourceForge.net with a sample map that causes an issue  :)
16:23.57scgtrpblast007, height is 0.001
16:24.15me1make it 0 and try again
16:24.44blast007are the objects around it that height too?
16:24.52blast007or are you driving onto it from the ground?
16:25.11blast007(hmm, which I guess wouldn't work anyway, so must be objects)
16:25.21scgtrpat 0 it disappears completely
16:25.31me1is it on the ground?
16:25.47scgtrptechnically no, the ground is underwater on this map
16:25.54blast007ah
16:25.55me1is it on another box?
16:26.04scgtrpyeah, just a box though, not a meshbox
16:26.17me1okay, change the height back to .001
16:26.24JeffMa box with a driver becomes a meshbox
16:26.36me1and make a frame of normal boxes around it, the same height (.001)
16:27.14me1The tank will "bump" onto the normal boxes and then drive onto the jumper thing
16:27.18scgtrpjust drove on it from the back again, got bounced straight up and back a bit
16:27.24blast007JeffM: well, no, a 'meshed' box
16:27.52blast007I think they're rendered different, if I recall trepan's comments from before
16:30.50me1I know the tank for some reason won't "bump" onto a meshbox, but will it bump onto a "meshed" box?
16:31.03blast007probably not
16:32.02scgtrpme1, just tried the frame idea and got sealed
16:32.11me1:|
16:32.28scgtrpand no, using box instead of meshbox gives me the same effect
16:32.43me1did  you make an actual frame, or just use 1 box? (frame as in 4 boxes)
16:32.56scgtrpjust one box actually. think it would make a difference?
16:33.01me1idk
16:33.08me1it might
16:33.10scgtrpi was sealed before i even came close to the jump pad
16:33.21scgtrp(the pads are 10x10, i made the boxes 15x15
16:33.34JeffMblast007, yes, but it's still a mesh face so it will have the mesh collion issues.
16:34.04me1try making the frame as small as possible, just a sliver, like .1 or so
16:34.05blast007but they didn't apply anything to that box.  they have a meshbox on *top* of it with the physics driver
16:34.17JeffMahh ok
16:35.04scgtrpme1, sealed again
16:35.14me1:|
16:35.19me1i'm stumped then
16:35.46JeffMsince he's commiting again, should con trepan into fixing the mesh collisions
16:36.20scgtrphttp://pastebin.ca/1179783 << what i have (just removed the frames)
16:40.39scgtrpconsiders putting the jump pads on top of pillboxes as an excuse to make people jump onto them
16:43.10MindstormsKidpillboxes?
16:43.29me1google is your friend
16:43.43scgtrptowers that i'm too lazy to move off the ground :P
16:44.22MindstormsKidoh :D
16:44.28JeffMa pillbox is a nickname for a  machine gun bunker that originated in WW 2
16:46.53MindstormsKidoh
16:47.32MindstormsKidwishes there is a Star Destroyer model in wings3D :(
16:47.38JeffMthere is
16:47.43JeffMyou just have to know where to look
16:47.46MindstormsKidthere is? O_o
16:47.52JeffMsure
16:47.56JeffMthere are lots of models out there
16:48.12JeffMdid you search for it?
16:48.19MindstormsKidyes
16:48.26JeffMwhat did you search for?
16:48.48MindstormsKidimperial star destroyer in wings3d
16:48.51MindstormsKidin google
16:48.52scgtrphow tall is a tank?
16:48.55JeffMwhy limit it to wings 3d?
16:49.01Abominable7.5, I think
16:49.02JeffMjust use the term "3d model"
16:49.09JeffMAbominable, god no
16:49.14Abominable2.5?
16:49.18JeffMscgtrp, read the wiki page on the tank
16:49.23scgtrpyeah, that seems a bit big :)
16:49.24JeffMAbominable, if you are going to guess, then don't bother
16:49.32JeffMbad info is worse then no info
16:49.50AbominableIdk where I got 7.5 from, it was on my head :P
16:49.57JeffMexactly
16:50.02AbominableI think I'm thinking of width
16:50.19JeffMif you arn't sure then don't bother saying anything
16:50.25blast007Do I hear 8.5! Going once, going twice, SOLD!
16:50.26JeffM7.5 is wrong for width too
16:50.27JeffMhttp://my.bzflag.org/w/Tank
16:50.31me1it's 2.05 world units high
16:50.45JeffM2.8 wide and 8.04 long
16:50.52JeffMwonders why he documents things
16:50.58scgtrphehe
16:51.02Abominablemeh, it's a tank, it shoots
16:51.46me1you forgot and/or didn't include the barrel height in the picture
16:51.50scgtrpneed to know how tall to make my pillboxes :)
16:51.59JeffMme1 read the text
16:52.03blast007recalls when the tank didn't have any solid mass except on the bottom...
16:52.06me1I know
16:52.11me1but pictures are prettier
16:52.15blast007you could jump up to a thin box and shoot GMs up through it  ;)
16:52.25JeffMme1 no, literacy is
16:52.34blast007hmm, actually I think any box
16:52.40blast007it would come out of the box then
16:52.51blast007those were the days  ;)
16:52.52MindstormsKidi wish you could change the shape and appearance of tanks :(
16:53.01JeffMblast007, we used to not collide the top of the cylinder
16:53.08blast007MindstormsKid: you can. but it wouldn't show up for anyone else
16:53.09JeffMMindstormsKid, one day
16:53.19JeffMthe avatar manager is started
16:53.28JeffMas well as the obj loader
16:53.31JeffMit's there but disabled
16:53.37MindstormsKidwhat?
16:53.42JeffMthe avatar manager
16:53.51JeffMthe PAM
16:54.48MindstormsKidthe only model i can find you have to pay for..
16:54.50JeffMhttp://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12234
16:54.59JeffMMindstormsKid, then you ain't looking hard enough ;)
16:55.12MindstormsKidO_po
16:55.17MindstormsKid* O_o
16:55.30MindstormsKidit was the only google result with a model..
16:55.38me1JeffM, was that tank from another game or an online repository?
16:55.49JeffMme1 I purchased that tank model
16:55.55me1cool
16:56.06JeffMMindstormsKid, star destroyer 3d model
16:56.11JeffMfirst link
16:56.15JeffMhttp://www.scifi3d.com/list.asp?intGenreID=10&intCatID=8
16:56.45JeffMall of those will slow your map down to a crawl
16:56.48MindstormsKidok O_o
16:57.17MindstormsKid3DS or MAX?
16:57.28JeffMactualy you have to pay for those too
16:57.29JeffMmy bad
16:57.33MindstormsKid* MAX 3
16:57.35MindstormsKid:O
16:57.38JeffMyou don't have max
16:57.56JeffManything you find on the internet is going to be a high res render model
16:58.06JeffMand be unsuited to a bzflag map
16:58.16JeffMalso you probalby could not redistrubte it or convert it legaly
16:58.28JeffMit's a freaking triangle, you can make one prety easy :)
16:58.29MindstormsKidif only sketchup pro was free :(
16:58.35MindstormsKidO_o
16:58.40JeffMif it was free, it'd not have the word "pro" in it
16:58.45MindstormsKid:P
16:59.07MindstormsKidit's not very hard (sketch up)
16:59.12MindstormsKidbut wings is :(
16:59.13JeffMit's also not very good
16:59.23JeffMit dosn't do UV coordinates or proper normals
16:59.39MindstormsKidhttp://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=96238f4d640ef97bd6532e1daa00ee52
16:59.39me1http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2713/revision4swa1.jpg
17:00.12JeffMthat still looks to be a lot of polygons
17:00.40JeffMMindstormsKid, you know that the more faces you add to a map the slower it goes right?
17:00.58MindstormsKidyeah, i guess :P
17:02.02JeffMit's also not cool to just go gank the work of others if it's not licensed for redistrobution
17:02.33MindstormsKidok
17:13.03MindstormsKidyou can use skechup! :D
17:13.48MindstormsKidthere is something that can import the kmz file into blender, then blender to .obj
17:15.00me1MindstormsKid, the only kmz importer for blender I found doesn't work with Google earth 4.0
17:15.10MindstormsKid:O
17:15.15MindstormsKid:~(
17:15.21MindstormsKidgrrrr
17:15.42MindstormsKiddies, oh well
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17:26.48scgtrphm, i uploaded my map to my server and suddenly my jump pads stopped working..
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18:35.37MindstormsKidJeffM: what is the status of gtkbzedit?
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21:56.15JeffMMindstormsKid, it has none
21:56.24JeffMwasn't realy mine
21:56.30JeffMI was just trying to help a kid out
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22:00.47hwildehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit/+bug/244218
22:00.51hwilde!info console-kit-daemon
22:00.59hwildeah wtf
22:01.15hwildehow did I get in this channel
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22:38.47MindstormsKidJeffM: ok
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23:16.22AHAi doubt he has permission from the 1vs1 league
23:20.15CBGWhy would he need permission>
23:20.18CBG?*
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23:22.55me1the servers are there, it's not like they need permission to play on the server
23:29.16JeffMindeed
23:29.34JeffMhe would only need to work with them if they wanted to do somthing out side the realm of normal playing
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