| 00:00.08 | KingofCamelot | Ok, that makes sense |
| 00:10.23 | whodaman- | ~AHA++ |
| 00:10.32 | AHA | :D |
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| 03:19.10 | awilcox | Help me. I'm using BZF2.0.10 (Which I guess is old by now) and I can connect and play, but I can't shoot. |
| 03:19.33 | awilcox | When I shoot, it says "Your end is not using UDP. Fix your router, upgrade your client, or find a new server. Bye." and then SERVER kicks me. |
| 03:19.53 | awilcox | I do have a very confusing firewall that I _believe_ I opened UDP on, but nothing is going out I guess. |
| 03:20.07 | awilcox | I told it to enable "UDP Receive Send" on ports 0-65535 for bzflag |
| 03:20.49 | awilcox | I'm not sure what else I can do. |
| 03:23.00 | JeffM | firewall |
| 03:23.02 | JeffM | or router |
| 03:23.05 | JeffM | is blocking UDP |
| 03:23.18 | JeffM | it's not an in game setting but your network |
| 03:23.22 | awilcox | Googling for BZFlag and the firewall yield no useful results (163 results, all of them spam pages or project listing pages) |
| 03:23.34 | awilcox | JeffM: It's a corporate-grade firewall. |
| 03:23.45 | JeffM | that would be why it blocks UDP |
| 03:23.52 | JeffM | don't play games at work |
| 03:23.54 | awilcox | JeffM: I unblocked UDP. |
| 03:24.01 | awilcox | JeffM: I'm not playing games at work. |
| 03:24.03 | JeffM | obviously not |
| 03:24.11 | JeffM | something is blocking the UDP |
| 03:24.24 | awilcox | What I mean is I told it to allow "UDP Receive Send" on ports 0 through 65535 for bzflag. |
| 03:24.51 | JeffM | ok |
| 03:25.00 | JeffM | then that thing you changed wasn't t he thing that was blocking UDP |
| 03:29.07 | awilcox | Okay, allowing both "UDP Receive Send" and "UDP Send Receive" fixed the problem. |
| 03:29.10 | awilcox | I can now shoot. |
| 03:29.31 | JeffM | yeah you have to get both |
| 03:29.42 | JeffM | otherwise how would you get others's shots ? ;) |
| 03:29.44 | awilcox | And in case this channel is logged, my problem was with ISA Server 2000 blocking UDP traffic, and once again I solved the problem by allowing UDP Receive Send and UDP Send Receive |
| 03:29.48 | awilcox | JeffM: True. |
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| 10:45.58 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03kingofcamelot * r18346 10/branches/gsoc_server_listing/src/bzflag/ (HUDuiServerInfo.cxx HUDuiTabbedControl.cxx): Made some minor improvements to the drawing code. |
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| 11:39.40 | KingofCamelot | What's the best way to know if a player successfully joined a server, from a code perspective? |
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| 12:48.41 | Dont | so lets try it aggain |
| 12:49.07 | Dont | ~bzfsquery dont-bzflag.selfip.com:5154 |
| 12:49.40 | Dont | ~bzfsquery bzflagr.net:5154 |
| 12:49.52 | Dont | does not work :( |
| 12:50.01 | F687s | You know, you could always message ibot directly... |
| 12:50.08 | Dont | oh |
| 12:50.09 | brad | bzfquery not bzfsquery |
| 12:50.12 | Dont | thanks |
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| 12:57.15 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03kingofcamelot * r18347 10/branches/gsoc_server_listing/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 12:57.15 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: A few more drawing improvements. |
| 12:57.15 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: The favorites list now retains favorites between sessions. |
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| 15:25.22 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/13/opengl_firestorm/ <-- fun |
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| 16:29.46 | MindstormsKid | hi, i need some help |
| 16:30.23 | MindstormsKid | i need to place flags on a map i'm making |
| 16:30.57 | JeffM | in general thats what the server owner does |
| 16:31.06 | JeffM | and they are randomly places |
| 16:31.07 | JeffM | placed |
| 16:31.12 | MindstormsKid | welll |
| 16:31.14 | JeffM | if you want specifics then you use flag zones |
| 16:31.20 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 16:31.26 | MindstormsKid | how do i do that? |
| 16:31.44 | MindstormsKid | (i want specifics) |
| 16:32.14 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Zone |
| 16:32.20 | JeffM | I meant if you want specific flags |
| 16:32.25 | JeffM | that's what you use |
| 16:32.25 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 16:32.30 | MindstormsKid | thanks |
| 16:32.46 | MindstormsKid | :D |
| 16:38.21 | Constitution | hi JeffM |
| 16:38.25 | JeffM | hello |
| 16:39.28 | Constitution | I'm just about ready to dump some collision testing code in the server, and am wondering what is the most appropriate place for it |
| 16:39.53 | JeffM | what does it do? |
| 16:40.13 | JeffM | as in does it take a player? or a genric volume? |
| 16:40.19 | Constitution | player |
| 16:40.21 | JeffM | does it need the shot? |
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| 16:40.26 | Constitution | yes |
| 16:40.53 | JeffM | so it has direct ties to the server side player structure. |
| 16:41.06 | JeffM | then it goes in the bzfs tree |
| 16:41.12 | JeffM | since it's not reusable |
| 16:41.23 | JeffM | make it it's own class/file and just put it in there |
| 16:42.00 | Constitution | okay, and then call it from the main server loop? |
| 16:42.08 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:42.12 | JeffM | or install a tick event handler |
| 16:42.14 | JeffM | ether or |
| 16:42.22 | JeffM | I prefer the tick event |
| 16:42.24 | Constitution | ah ok |
| 16:42.32 | JeffM | then we don't clutter the main loop |
| 16:42.40 | JeffM | unless it needs to happen at a specific time |
| 16:42.53 | Constitution | right, since bzfs.cxx is only 5,039 lines long |
| 16:42.59 | JeffM | exactly |
| 16:43.14 | JeffM | I'm a big fan of callbacks |
| 16:44.21 | Constitution | doesn't fully understand callbacks |
| 16:44.32 | JeffM | what don't you get about them? |
| 16:44.42 | Constitution | you like register function pointers, right? |
| 16:44.47 | JeffM | that is one way |
| 16:44.49 | JeffM | the C way |
| 16:44.58 | Lukstr | the fun way :) |
| 16:44.59 | JeffM | our API events are done with derived classes |
| 16:45.09 | JeffM | and you register a pointer to the object |
| 16:45.17 | JeffM | that object derives from the common callback class |
| 16:45.33 | JeffM | the caller then casts the pointer as the base callback class, and calls the virtual method it wants |
| 16:45.40 | JeffM | your class implementes that virtual method |
| 16:45.48 | JeffM | and does what it has to do |
| 16:45.48 | Constitution | I see |
| 16:46.08 | JeffM | so in your case, you'd derive your collision class from the api event handler |
| 16:46.22 | JeffM | and add an imlementation of the process method |
| 16:46.29 | JeffM | is your class a singleton? |
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| 16:48.11 | Constitution | I haven't formed it all into a class yet |
| 16:48.26 | Constitution | just code from the client I've located and pulled out |
| 16:48.35 | Constitution | should it be? |
| 16:53.13 | JeffM | wraping it up in a class dosn't sound like a bad thing |
| 16:53.29 | JeffM | but for now you can just make a little callback class to use that is a global or something |
| 16:53.38 | JeffM | up to you |
| 16:53.51 | JeffM | throwing it in a class makes it more modular |
| 16:54.17 | JeffM | as if we abstracted the player and shot interfaces that code could be used on both server and client, etc.. |
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| 17:09.43 | spldart | bugQ. Are you back on the job? It's getting real close to deadline |
| 17:09.58 | mattimusprime | Anyone here able to help with server protocol problems? |
| 17:10.28 | bugQ | spldart: yes, and yes |
| 17:10.54 | spldart | Very good.. I'll keep an eye on CIA and the Blog then |
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| 17:26.10 | JeffM | mattimusprime, what do you mean? |
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| 17:39.16 | mattimusprime | JeffM, working on getting the old bzrobots code working with bzflag, and haing problems with robots disconnecting from the server, I thought I was being told to disconnect, but the robot is spontneously deciding to disconnect. |
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| 17:44.01 | JeffM | ok |
| 17:44.09 | JeffM | you are in trunk or brancH? |
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| 17:47.14 | hwilde | why is mirror a server side settings instead of client side ? |
| 17:48.27 | trepan | it's both |
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| 17:51.57 | mattimusprime | I was trying trunk, but found way too much stuff broken, so I'm running off the v2 branch |
| 17:52.03 | JeffM | hwilde, because it has to be sent to all cleints so they see the same thing |
| 17:54.06 | hwilde | JeffM, why? you can disable it client side |
| 17:54.12 | hwilde | but you can't enable it client side |
| 17:54.29 | JeffM | yeah if the server dosn't want mirror, you can't just turn it on |
| 17:54.39 | JeffM | you can turn it off for performance |
| 17:54.52 | hwilde | but green team is camouflaged in the grass |
| 17:56.34 | JeffM | that's what cammo should do |
| 17:57.06 | hwilde | unfair advantage to green team |
| 17:57.19 | JeffM | so change your ground texture |
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| 17:57.47 | hwilde | symlinks std_ground.png to fractal wallpaper |
| 17:57.55 | JeffM | there ya go |
| 17:58.02 | MindstormsKid | JeffM |
| 17:58.07 | JeffM | MindstormsKid |
| 17:58.08 | MindstormsKid | another question... |
| 17:58.09 | hwilde | so mirror is actually server side processing? |
| 17:58.15 | JeffM | no |
| 17:58.24 | hwilde | then why can't I turn it on client side |
| 17:58.28 | JeffM | the clietn side sietting is only an "off" overide |
| 17:58.29 | MindstormsKid | what are all the -set commands? |
| 17:58.31 | JeffM | not an "on" |
| 17:58.48 | JeffM | hwilde, because we did not write the code do work that way |
| 17:58.54 | hwilde | what was the rational behind such decision |
| 17:58.58 | JeffM | MindstormsKid, there are an infinnate number |
| 17:59.23 | JeffM | hwilde, as I said, so that the server/map can decide if they want it, but allow people to turn it off on slow hardware |
| 17:59.29 | JeffM | the off was mostly for old hardware |
| 17:59.39 | JeffM | at some point we'll desuport old hardware and remove the off overide. |
| 17:59.49 | hwilde | but then it's still server side |
| 17:59.57 | JeffM | MindstormsKid, the wiki lists the common variables |
| 17:59.57 | MindstormsKid | i did /set on the BZAdmn thing, but it doesn't list all of them, because the console isn't big enough |
| 18:00.02 | JeffM | or you can just do /set to see them all |
| 18:00.11 | JeffM | hwilde, yes it is a map setting |
| 18:00.14 | MindstormsKid | see above |
| 18:00.23 | JeffM | MindstormsKid, that I can not help you with |
| 18:00.28 | JeffM | read the wiki |
| 18:00.35 | MindstormsKid | i did :P |
| 18:00.39 | MindstormsKid | :( |
| 18:00.49 | hwilde | MindstormsKid, why don't you just ask what you want to set |
| 18:00.52 | JeffM | get a console that lets yous croll |
| 18:00.54 | MindstormsKid | well] |
| 18:01.05 | JeffM | the wiki has the common ones |
| 18:01.10 | JeffM | plugins and stuff can add more |
| 18:01.16 | MindstormsKid | i'm talking about the BZAdmin console |
| 18:01.18 | JeffM | so there is no way to list every single one |
| 18:01.25 | JeffM | so the bzadmin cosnole dosn't do it |
| 18:01.31 | JeffM | use the game client and have it echo out to a file |
| 18:01.42 | JeffM | then do /set and it'll dump all the ones that are set on that server |
| 18:01.56 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 18:02.09 | MindstormsKid | how do i have the game do that? |
| 18:02.11 | JeffM | hwilde, the problem you bring up (green being hidden ) is a valid one. but having a mirror is not the solution to that problem |
| 18:02.20 | JeffM | replacing green with orange is |
| 18:02.20 | hwilde | JeffM, I like the mirror ok |
| 18:02.23 | hwilde | gimme |
| 18:02.30 | JeffM | hwilde, runa server with it |
| 18:02.39 | hwilde | there is no valid reason to have that server side instead of client side |
| 18:02.50 | JeffM | sure there is, the map author didn't want it |
| 18:03.01 | JeffM | you are more then welcome to mod your code as you see fit |
| 18:03.09 | hwilde | but as you pointed out you can change the std_ground.png and see wahtever you want |
| 18:03.15 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:03.17 | hwilde | so it's not an author's wishes issue |
| 18:03.26 | JeffM | yeah cus that his harder to enforce |
| 18:03.36 | Winny | anyone think it's worthwhile putting together a video about how to start a server, edit a map, etc? |
| 18:03.36 | hwilde | you could change every single texture and see nothing like what the author intended |
| 18:03.37 | JeffM | just as I can't enforce you modifying your code to always draw mirror |
| 18:03.43 | MindstormsKid | JeffM? |
| 18:03.44 | JeffM | so mod your code and get on wiht your life |
| 18:03.47 | JeffM | MindstormsKid,? |
| 18:03.58 | hwilde | JeffM, where in the code do you set mirror=on :) |
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| 18:04.11 | JeffM | hwilde, track where the setting goes |
| 18:04.19 | JeffM | or just search for mirror |
| 18:04.22 | MindstormsKid | how do i get the game to echo to a file? |
| 18:04.23 | JeffM | it ain't that hard |
| 18:04.36 | JeffM | what OS you on? |
| 18:04.42 | MindstormsKid | windows |
| 18:04.53 | JeffM | bzflag -echo > somefile.txt |
| 18:05.12 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 18:05.27 | hwilde | bzflag/EffectsMenu.cxx: ((HUDuiList*)listHUD[i++])->setIndex(BZDB.isTrue("userMirror") ? 1 : 0); ? |
| 18:05.40 | JeffM | thats the start |
| 18:05.44 | JeffM | track it down |
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| 18:06.35 | hwilde | what if I just |
| 18:06.38 | hwilde | bzflag/SceneRenderer.cxx: if (mirror) { |
| 18:06.40 | hwilde | if (true) |
| 18:06.50 | JeffM | try it and see |
| 18:06.56 | hwilde | or do I have to set mirror = true here bzflag/SceneRenderer.cxx: mirror = (BZDB.get(StateDatabase::BZDB_MIRROR) != "none") |
| 18:07.02 | MindstormsKid | JeffM, do that in bzflag? |
| 18:07.23 | hwilde | MindstormsKid, launch the prog like that from the command line and capture the output to a file |
| 18:07.28 | JeffM | MindstormsKid, no in the command line terminal in the OS to run bzzflag |
| 18:07.44 | JeffM | or modify your shortcut |
| 18:08.06 | JeffM | hwilde, the var just controlls what comes from the server |
| 18:11.17 | bugQ | crap crap crap. dentist appointment in <1hr. |
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| 19:54.19 | TJ13820 | Who's in charge of beta builds for bzflag? |
| 19:55.34 | donny_baker | no one |
| 19:56.01 | donny_baker | it gets built if someone feels like it... you are encouraged to build them yourself |
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| 20:00.09 | TJ13820 | okay |
| 20:00.21 | TJ13820 | i'm attempting to make a package for mac for 3.0 |
| 20:00.42 | TJ13820 | if you need someone to keep an up to date package set, i might do it |
| 20:03.46 | JeffM | 3.0 isn't even in "beta" |
| 20:04.03 | JeffM | we've just done a couple dev builds and thrown them up for people |
| 20:04.53 | TJ13820 | well, when it reaches beta. I know i'm making up to date builds for myself. |
| 20:05.23 | JeffM | we generaly don't keep any kind of build or package "up to date" but we may do a couple test releases |
| 20:05.38 | TJ13820 | okay |
| 20:05.52 | JeffM | if we ever did something that we kept up to date, we'd want it to be automated. |
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| 20:54.03 | Erroneous | Lukstr: how are things going? |
| 20:54.12 | Lukstr | hey |
| 20:54.16 | Lukstr | things are going good |
| 20:54.17 | Erroneous | hey :) |
| 20:54.21 | Lukstr | should have a commit soon |
| 20:54.21 | Erroneous | cool, good to hear |
| 20:54.25 | Lukstr | typing as we speak |
| 20:54.29 | Erroneous | nifty |
| 20:54.49 | JeffM | well of course you are, since you have to type to speak ;) |
| 20:54.51 | Erroneous | just hadn't seen any changes in a while, was wondering if there was something you needed a hand with |
| 20:55.10 | Lukstr | Actually, I had a question but I can't think of it atm |
| 20:55.19 | Erroneous | heh, ok. don't hesitate to ask. |
| 20:55.23 | Lukstr | oh, I put something on the blog |
| 20:55.26 | Lukstr | if you feel like commenting |
| 20:57.46 | Erroneous | comments |
| 21:14.25 | Erroneous | heh, that was more than I meant to write. oh well :) |
| 21:19.10 | Lukstr | interesting |
| 21:20.09 | Lukstr | I guess I'll just do something like.. |
| 21:20.21 | Lukstr | have the parser send whatever the new object is to the "parent" |
| 21:20.26 | Lukstr | and haev the root parent be the World |
| 21:20.33 | Lukstr | Sane? |
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| 21:21.24 | Lukstr | so Mesh object would have an addFace method... I think |
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| 21:24.06 | Erroneous | if objects are parsing themselves, they can create their own children |
| 21:24.20 | JeffM | a modeler would need that method |
| 21:24.42 | Erroneous | our situation was that we had everything driven by the main parser loop, and objects had no way to say "ok, I'm done" |
| 21:24.55 | Lukstr | oh, I understand that completely |
| 21:25.09 | Lukstr | but the problem with the objects parsing themselves is for something like mesh |
| 21:25.16 | Lukstr | it could get complicated |
| 21:25.28 | Lukstr | but not as complicated as groups and defines |
| 21:26.20 | Lukstr | heh, |
| 21:26.43 | Lukstr | I *suppose* a group could run a parser instance to parse just the objects inside it |
| 21:33.48 | Erroneous | certainly not the worst idea I've heard :) |
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| 22:13.42 | spldart | has to pick up his mom.. her car broke down :( |
| 22:19.09 | Winny | ~donny_baker++ |
| 22:19.29 | donny_baker | :) |
| 22:19.42 | donny_baker | im not proud of it, but it had to be said |
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| 22:34.28 | delusional_ | a plugin cannot trigger a worldweapon, correct? |
| 22:34.41 | JeffM | sure it can |
| 22:34.47 | JeffM | bz_fireWorldWeapon |
| 22:34.48 | delusional_ | cool |
| 22:34.50 | JeffM | boom |
| 22:35.03 | JeffM | don't fire more then the -MS value tho |
| 22:35.14 | delusional_ | won't |
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| 23:28.27 | MindstormsKid | i need help choosing a map editor |
| 23:28.58 | MindstormsKid | i'm using BZEdit, but it's not good enough |
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| 23:34.48 | JeffM | there is no "good enough" editor |
| 23:34.55 | JeffM | no mater what you'll always be using more then one tool |
| 23:35.22 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 23:35.26 | JeffM | you will find blender to hard and confusing |
| 23:35.32 | JeffM | you will find pybzedit lacking |
| 23:35.35 | MindstormsKid | exactly! O_o |
| 23:35.47 | JeffM | and you will find bzworkbench to be incomplete |
| 23:36.01 | MindstormsKid | didn't see that one.. |
| 23:36.05 | temp_dist | bzworkbench was the gsoc project from last year? |
| 23:36.06 | JeffM | open a text editor, that' is the only full featured map editor |
| 23:36.10 | JeffM | yes it was |
| 23:36.27 | MindstormsKid | oh well |
| 23:36.46 | JeffM | your brain has all the features required to make a map :) |
| 23:37.06 | temp_dist | I know some map makers that use Wings3D then text editor to complete the process |
| 23:37.22 | JeffM | yeah that's for modeling specific objects |
| 23:37.23 | spldart | Man... bugQ's dentist appt. is running long :( Hope he's still up for some work after. He needs to get moving again. |
| 23:37.31 | JeffM | with modeltool you can use any modeler to make mesh objects |
| 23:37.39 | JeffM | but they still arn't "map editors" |
| 23:37.44 | JeffM | they are single object modelers |
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| 23:41.58 | delusional_ | mindstormkid... wings3d is good, but you have to get wings version 0.98.34 ... later versions do not work with the bzw export plugin..... Teppic's bz-tools for blender is probably a bit too advanced for a newbie to 3d modeling |
| 23:42.42 | delusional_ | modeltool can convert the output of any modeling program that exports obj format |
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| 23:43.36 | delusional_ | but no matter what editor you use, you need to know some text-mapping, to apply final touches, as no converter does everything. |
| 23:43.56 | MindstormsKid | newbie? O_o |
| 23:44.36 | delusional_ | if your not a newbie.. use blender. |
| 23:44.54 | KTL | or start scripting the whole thing :) |
| 23:45.15 | MindstormsKid | :P |
| 23:45.36 | MindstormsKid | blender didn't seem to work |
| 23:45.45 | JeffM | it does, you just have to learn it |
| 23:45.49 | delusional_ | a lot of us use wings... the purple panzer posted his VBasic tools recently. |
| 23:45.51 | MindstormsKid | it wouldn't open the file.. |
| 23:45.51 | JeffM | it takes more then 5 min |
| 23:45.59 | JeffM | what file did you try to open? |
| 23:46.02 | KTL | it has weird key combinations for everything |
| 23:46.09 | MindstormsKid | the bzw file |
| 23:46.15 | MindstormsKid | with the bzw opener |
| 23:46.28 | JeffM | perhaps you did not install them correctly |
| 23:46.33 | JeffM | it does not have a trivial install |
| 23:46.34 | spldart | Wings3d Is my fav |
| 23:46.40 | MindstormsKid | OK |
| 23:46.45 | MindstormsKid | i'll get wings |
| 23:46.48 | MindstormsKid | where is it? |
| 23:46.54 | Winny | blender "works". thousands of people use it, for much more then BZFlag |
| 23:46.55 | spldart | google is your friend |
| 23:47.00 | MindstormsKid | :D |
| 23:47.08 | delusional_ | most of us are satisfied with wings, find version 0.98.34 |
| 23:47.29 | JeffM | thats' becasue you don't care about correct normals :) |
| 23:47.40 | spldart | blender was a bit to tough a learning curve for me with no modeling background so wings3d did alright for my map experiments |
| 23:48.30 | Winny | once you learn blender you can use it for all sorts of cool stuff like animations, photorealistic renders, etc |
| 23:50.09 | MindstormsKid | ok, got wings, now what? |
| 23:50.35 | JeffM | read it's documentation |
| 23:50.52 | JeffM | it will not read in your map and let you edit it |
| 23:50.57 | JeffM | you use it to make mesh objects |
| 23:51.00 | JeffM | and then export them |
| 23:51.07 | MindstormsKid | mesh objects? |
| 23:51.12 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:51.23 | JeffM | if you don't know what those are, then you are not ready for them yet |
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| 23:51.40 | MindstormsKid | :( |
| 23:52.16 | me1 | IIRC, blender can be used for 1.0 objects, but I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 23:52.37 | MindstormsKid | so i can make the complex stuff like circles and balls etc. in that, then edit the finer details in another and the textfile |
| 23:52.39 | MindstormsKid | ? |
| 23:53.32 | delusional_ | here's the bzw exporter plugin. read carefully |
| 23:53.35 | delusional_ | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZW_Exporter_for_Wings3D#OS_Support |
| 23:53.46 | me1 | MindstormsKid, what OS are you on? |
| 23:54.02 | MindstormsKid | windows |
| 23:55.14 | me1 | because if you just want spheres, you can put a box in BZEdit where you want the sphere, and use that location and size to manually put in a sphere or arc ("circles and balls"), if that is what you want. |
| 23:55.46 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 23:58.26 | delusional_ | I strongly recommend that mappers spend a week at least, mapping in text... try to make one of everything.. |
| 23:58.58 | delusional_ | it's the only way to truly learn the strengths and weaknesses of the bzw format |
| 23:59.19 | delusional_ | ouy do have the bzw manpage, right? |