| 00:07.25 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r18277 10/trunk/db/templates/ (7 files): |
| 00:07.25 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: Standardize the URLs and escaping of callsigns and other text. |
| 00:07.25 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: Fix up the row colors in the server info page. |
| 00:07.25 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: Make the template code in player stats a little cleaner. |
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| 01:01.35 | brlcad | grr.. |
| 01:02.31 | blast007 | brlcad: did bzflag.bz go down? |
| 01:03.05 | Winny | looks like sagonet had a power failure |
| 01:03.13 | JeffMMain | ohh yeah they did |
| 01:03.14 | Winny | my server just rebooted itself |
| 01:03.24 | Winny | wow, so much for "backup generators" |
| 01:03.24 | JeffMMain | the main webpage has been down for a bit too |
| 01:04.11 | Winny | hopefully they'll post something on their status page |
| 01:05.55 | brlcad | there goes that uptime, about 220 days since that last failure |
| 01:06.06 | Winny | yeah, about the same on ours |
| 01:14.28 | JeffMMain | http://www.sagonet.com/information-center/network-status-blog.html |
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| 01:23.08 | brlcad | "has become unreachable" .. stupid passive voice. just say you lost power and screwed up again on the backups |
| 01:24.05 | JeffMMain | not sure that's what it was |
| 01:24.15 | JeffMMain | since .bz was up when opencombat.net was down |
| 01:24.21 | blast007 | JeffMMain: Winny's server rebooted |
| 01:24.28 | JeffMMain | I know |
| 01:24.40 | JeffMMain | but I was DOWN for like an hour |
| 01:24.40 | JeffMMain | and .bz was up |
| 01:24.45 | blast007 | fun |
| 01:24.47 | JeffMMain | so it's more then just a power blip |
| 01:25.01 | blast007 | blame the interns! |
| 01:25.08 | brlcad | well at some point the machine "lost power" to cause the reboot |
| 01:25.16 | JeffMMain | yeah |
| 01:25.31 | JeffMMain | I think that may have been part of the fix, but I don't know if that was all of the problem |
| 01:25.33 | brlcad | i suspect they lost power, only one of the backups came on but it only sustained for a half hour or so |
| 01:25.41 | JeffMMain | maybe |
| 01:25.50 | brlcad | so they only kept part of the facility running |
| 01:26.10 | brlcad | probably with that same guy hammering on a valve trying to keep it open/shut |
| 01:27.55 | JeffMMain | sadly ours did not come back up clean |
| 01:28.01 | JeffMMain | apache didn't start correctly |
| 01:28.37 | JeffMMain | [Sun Aug 03 21:07:46 2008] [warn] (2)No such file or directory: Failed to enable the 'httpready' Accept Filter |
| 01:29.25 | brlcad | looks like power was down for about 4 minutes to bz |
| 01:29.49 | JeffMMain | we noticed it at (4:29:34 PM) |
| 01:30.16 | JeffMMain | and our ventrillo server was back up at (6:06:37 PM) |
| 01:30.51 | JeffMMain | at the same time, the main sagonet.com website was down |
| 01:31.32 | brlcad | they always go down when there is an problem, you'd think it was intentional to avoid the support requests |
| 01:32.00 | brlcad | but more than likely it's just stupid infrastructure planning having their main site on the same net as those they support |
| 01:32.08 | JeffMMain | maybe it goes down BECAUSE of support requests |
| 01:32.19 | brlcad | heh, possibly |
| 01:32.47 | brlcad | it's been a while, but last time I did traceroutes, they led to the same facility iirc |
| 01:32.55 | JeffMMain | goes back to learning C# to make DTRemenak happy |
| 01:33.10 | Winny | they updated the status page with some info |
| 01:33.34 | JeffMMain | looks the same to me |
| 01:33.58 | blast007 | Winny: the info there was already discussed here ;) |
| 01:34.09 | blast007 | about 11 minutes ago |
| 01:34.13 | Winny | reads up |
| 01:34.24 | Winny | ah |
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| 01:36.18 | JeffMMain | blast007: do you know how to read crap out of a file in C#? |
| 01:36.43 | blast007 | no |
| 01:37.00 | blast007 | the only C# I know what was I needed to make that launcher tool ;) |
| 01:37.10 | JeffMMain | yeah do you store the numbers as strings? |
| 01:37.18 | JeffMMain | or ints? |
| 01:37.47 | blast007 | no idea. I store them in the registry, not in a file (or at least that's how it was, DTR might have changed that) |
| 01:37.55 | JeffMMain | oh |
| 01:37.56 | JeffMMain | wow |
| 01:37.57 | JeffMMain | ok |
| 01:38.02 | JeffMMain | I'll look at it |
| 01:39.03 | DTRemenak | see system.io.file |
| 01:39.20 | brlcad | char[] buf = new char[1024]; StreamReader s = new StreamReader(new FileStream("hello.txt", FileMode.Open, FileAccess.Read)); s.ReadBlock(buf, 0, 1024); s.Close(); |
| 01:39.41 | JeffMMain | no, I want to read an int out of it |
| 01:39.46 | JeffMMain | it's stored as text |
| 01:40.02 | DTRemenak | read it as a string, then use int.parse() |
| 01:40.08 | JeffMMain | ahh ok |
| 01:40.18 | JeffMMain | so C# dosn't have stream like stuff? |
| 01:40.26 | DTRemenak | sure, streamreader |
| 01:40.38 | JeffMMain | work the same way as C++ streams? |
| 01:40.53 | JeffMMain | cus I done gots me a streamreader RIGHT here :) |
| 01:41.09 | DTRemenak | no, they chose not to implement a stream-specific syntax |
| 01:41.20 | DTRemenak | so there are no insertion/removal operators |
| 01:41.26 | JeffMMain | suck |
| 01:41.54 | DTRemenak | but objects have their own tostring and parse methods for serialization |
| 01:42.02 | JeffMMain | k |
| 01:42.13 | DTRemenak | it's a different approach. way more verbose. |
| 01:42.19 | DTRemenak | lots of typing |
| 01:42.57 | JeffMMain | mob.health.maxHP.parse(stream.ReadLine()); |
| 01:43.11 | JeffMMain | I don't see a thing to read just the next string with whitespace |
| 01:45.30 | brlcad | string str = new string(buf); string[] words = str.Split(new Char[] {' '}); Decimal num; Single.TryParse(words[0], NumberStyles.Float, null, out num); |
| 01:45.48 | JeffMMain | wow |
| 01:45.53 | JeffMMain | can someone say LONG? |
| 01:45.53 | brlcad | stops plaing with sharp objects and gets back to real code :) |
| 01:45.59 | JeffMMain | heh |
| 01:46.29 | DTRemenak | there should be a readuntil method, but I don't see it anywhere I expect it |
| 01:46.35 | DTRemenak | so sure, use split :) |
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| 01:47.01 | JeffMMain | or just store each thing on one line :) |
| 01:47.16 | DTRemenak | or that |
| 01:47.30 | JeffMMain | eventualy I want to get the data from the interwebs |
| 01:47.31 | DTRemenak | if you use xml, .net has a reasonably good parser |
| 01:47.36 | JeffMMain | so this is just temporary |
| 01:47.53 | JeffMMain | the interface got a lot smaller once I got it out of excell |
| 01:47.55 | DTRemenak | system.xml namespace |
| 01:47.57 | brlcad | think you could use Substring too and avoid the split |
| 01:48.04 | brlcad | or something regexy |
| 01:48.11 | DTRemenak | yeah, or you can use regexes :) |
| 01:48.17 | DTRemenak | regex is built into the language |
| 01:48.22 | JeffMMain | or interwebs |
| 01:48.28 | JeffMMain | database == good |
| 01:49.09 | JeffMMain | not entirely sure on the interface yet |
| 01:49.13 | JeffMMain | have it setup as 4 tabs |
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| 04:31.18 | KingofCamelot | Is there any issue with using unordered_map in BZFlag? |
| 04:34.17 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r18278 10/trunk/db/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 04:34.17 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: Convert the current players and server list pages to Smarty. |
| 04:34.17 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: Only show three decimal places for strength index and kill ration on the player info page. |
| 04:34.33 | blast007 | ratio* |
| 05:22.30 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03lukstr * r18279 10/branches/gsoc_libbzw/src/world/Grammar.h: Added skip grammar |
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| 07:12.53 | n|ns3| | http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml |
| 07:13.04 | n|ns3| | we should register a brighthouse channel.... |
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| 07:36.13 | remote | how do we play this game |
| 07:36.18 | remote | i keep getting ****** |
| 07:36.47 | remote | everyone's killing me |
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| 07:53.32 | ruskie | remote, what is "******" L |
| 07:53.34 | ruskie | ? |
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| 07:55.14 | Manu | ruskie: killed ;) |
| 07:55.25 | ruskie | ow |
| 07:55.48 | remote | censorship |
| 07:55.59 | remote | actually it wasn' |
| 07:56.00 | remote | t |
| 07:56.06 | remote | killed, it was ****** |
| 07:56.29 | remote | it's nothing that's very fun for me anyways |
| 07:56.47 | remote | all that to say, do most players use a joystick, keyboard, mouse? |
| 07:57.09 | remote | i joined as a viewer and saw good players seem to be using a keyboard |
| 07:57.18 | ruskie | depends on players |
| 07:57.25 | ruskie | I use mouse+kb |
| 07:57.29 | ruskie | some use kb only |
| 07:57.35 | ruskie | some use joystick only etc... |
| 07:57.40 | remote | but then the movement is too close to the enter key which is for fireing |
| 07:57.43 | remote | can i remap the keys? |
| 07:58.10 | remote | maybe i just suck plain and simple |
| 07:58.16 | remote | hehe |
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| 08:05.07 | Constitution | remote: the majority use mouse |
| 08:05.15 | Constitution | approximately 60% |
| 08:06.00 | Constitution | you can remap your keys from Options->Input Settings->Change Key Mapping |
| 08:06.22 | Constitution | if you want to do more sophisticated mapping, you can edit your config |
| 08:07.02 | Constitution | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Config_File |
| 08:09.45 | Manu | remote: may be you need to practice ;) |
| 08:16.51 | remote | alright |
| 08:35.14 | remote | i can't |
| 08:35.14 | remote | it's over |
| 08:35.14 | remote | i'm dying |
| 08:35.16 | remote | dead |
| 08:35.18 | remote | blown up |
| 08:40.09 | Manu | remote: some players kill other die, may be you are in the second group ;) |
| 08:54.05 | brlcad | kb only ftw |
| 08:54.27 | brlcad | remote: actually you do probably just suck |
| 08:54.41 | brlcad | it's easy to play, but takes a long while to actually be any good |
| 08:54.47 | brlcad | even if you're used to other fps shooters |
| 08:55.17 | brlcad | try a server that encourages strategy and is a little less chaotic (try one with no jumping) |
| 08:59.21 | Manu | brlcad: what happened in the server, my screen session got destroyed ;) |
| 08:59.30 | Manu | and I guess your too :) |
| 09:07.35 | brlcad | Manu: the ISP lost power again :( |
| 09:08.29 | brlcad | the other guys were down for hours |
| 09:08.35 | brlcad | bz was only down for 4 minutes .. but still :( |
| 09:09.44 | Manu | brlcad: I guessed it after executing uptime :( |
| 09:10.47 | brlcad | yeah, was up to around 220 days :/ |
| 09:11.04 | brlcad | so that's probably the biggest bz will get before it's decommissioned |
| 09:11.14 | Manu | brlcad: you forgot to identify yourself here ;) |
| 09:11.19 | brlcad | it's (past) time to move to the new server |
| 09:11.32 | Manu | yes |
| 09:12.01 | brlcad | really thankful that one of my buddies has been keeping it up-to-date |
| 09:12.09 | brlcad | so it's a pretty recent fbsd rev |
| 09:12.25 | Manu | :) |
| 09:12.30 | brlcad | "just" a matter of moving the data, moving services, and flipping the dns switch |
| 09:12.52 | Manu | flipping dns will make it transparent to the users :) |
| 09:12.53 | brlcad | need a fully empty weekend to do it |
| 09:13.10 | Manu | that exist? ;) |
| 09:13.12 | brlcad | yep, though some of the services can't really be tested until dns is flipped |
| 09:13.18 | brlcad | e.g. bind |
| 09:13.43 | brlcad | it's also not clear what happens to all my IPs |
| 09:13.54 | Manu | :/ |
| 09:13.55 | brlcad | old has 10, new has just 2 or 3 |
| 09:14.03 | brlcad | don't know if they'll let me keep them |
| 09:14.25 | Manu | probably not |
| 09:14.50 | Manu | at last in Spain :) |
| 09:50.52 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r18280 10/branches/gsoc_collisions/ (include/common.h src/common/VectorMath.cxx): deg2Rad is now in common.h |
| 10:07.23 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r18281 10/branches/gsoc_collisions/src/ (ShotPathSegment.cxx ShotPathSegment.h): Remove stray files. |
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| 11:21.18 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r18282 10/branches/gsoc_collisions/ (320 files in 77 dirs): Merged in recent changes from head and did some more cleanup |
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| 12:54.59 | KingofCamelot | Anyone around? |
| 12:56.28 | brlcad | nope |
| 12:56.45 | KingofCamelot | :) |
| 12:57.45 | KingofCamelot | I was thinking about using unordered_map for one of my classes, but currently #include <unordered_map> won't compile in BZFlag because unordered_map is in the TR1 extension of the C++ STL |
| 13:00.07 | brlcad | which means ... |
| 13:00.12 | brlcad | you either don't use it |
| 13:00.54 | KingofCamelot | Or add in TR1 to BZFlag |
| 13:00.55 | brlcad | or you snarf the portion of c++0x |
| 13:01.45 | KingofCamelot | The reason I'm asking in here is because I don't know enough about how all of this plays together to know if adding TR1 support would screw up compiler support, etc |
| 13:02.17 | brlcad | well about how you'd actually go about integrating, what does that actually buy you? |
| 13:02.31 | brlcad | of value over using, say, a map instead |
| 13:02.39 | brlcad | that warrants the integration/maintenance complexity |
| 13:03.29 | brlcad | not just theoretical .. talking tangible, practical benefits |
| 13:03.42 | KingofCamelot | Well, I'm not sure how much actual integration/maintenance there'd be, from what I've seen it seems pretty simple, but I've been wrong in the past, hence asking here. |
| 13:04.01 | brlcad | you still didn't answer the question though |
| 13:04.22 | brlcad | it's not what's wrong with it or how hard it is .. it's why is it needed? |
| 13:04.27 | KingofCamelot | Well, the reason I'd *like* to use it, although I can find a way around it, is because I'm using a map to store tabs for tabbed controls, so that I can do the key value as their display name, and the value as their content. |
| 13:04.43 | KingofCamelot | This works dandy, except maps sort themselves. |
| 13:04.56 | KingofCamelot | Which means you add all the tabs to the map, and they all end up in alphabetical order by display name. |
| 13:05.19 | KingofCamelot | unordered_map, in TR1, doesn't do this self sorting |
| 13:06.05 | Wyk3d | hash_map == unordered_map |
| 13:06.47 | Wyk3d | so IF you really need it .. you can use it without the TR1 stuff |
| 13:06.56 | brlcad | to be honest, that seems like a *really* weak reason to me given there are several other ways, several other stl containers that will keep your list in order and let you iterate |
| 13:07.40 | brlcad | heck, a simple vector<pair<string,whatever>> will do the trick and avoid the issue too |
| 13:07.52 | brlcad | and that's a pattern that is used several places in the code already |
| 13:08.06 | KingofCamelot | Which is why I was asking in here, I don't know what TR1 needs to be implemented, etc. If it was something extremely simple, or not so easy. |
| 13:09.39 | brlcad | any externel bit of code will have a maintenance cost, however simple it is to integrate -- it's contrasting that with another well-known pattern that has no cost that makes it seem an entirely non-optimal path |
| 13:09.40 | KingofCamelot | So from the sounds of it, I'll find a different way to do it, without unordered_map, which is what I figured. |
| 13:09.56 | brlcad | sounds like it |
| 13:10.30 | Wyk3d | brlcad: it's not external code.. it's already in stdext |
| 13:10.36 | Wyk3d | in VC8 |
| 13:10.40 | brlcad | epyon had a much stronger case for a portion of tr1 for his generic graphing library because the alternative encodings are a heck of a lot more work |
| 13:10.47 | KingofCamelot | Just wanted to check, before I went off and changed it when unordered_map could easily be used. Since it can't, I'll just do it another way :) |
| 13:10.53 | brlcad | Wyk3d: and that's one platform out of how many? |
| 13:11.16 | Wyk3d | gcc has another header for it |
| 13:11.20 | Wyk3d | *namespace |
| 13:11.30 | brlcad | it's also incomplete, so it has a guaranteed maintenance cost when it's approved to update to whatever the final spec actually ends up being |
| 13:11.31 | Wyk3d | so any platform .. where gcc runs |
| 13:11.34 | Wyk3d | will have it |
| 13:11.50 | Wyk3d | gcc or intel or vc i'm sure has hash_map |
| 13:12.03 | brlcad | we're not talking about hash_map |
| 13:12.09 | Wyk3d | it's the same thing |
| 13:12.20 | Wyk3d | just renamed |
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| 13:13.02 | KingofCamelot | Wait, is hash_map in standard C++? |
| 13:13.54 | brlcad | still the point isn't that it can't be done -- it's that there is a guaranteed maintenance cost (however 'small' it seems) with using anything in tr1, it needs to be a good reason |
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| 13:15.54 | Wyk3d | KingofCamelot: not a standard, hence it being in stdext .. but it's present on all relevant platforms without extra libraries |
| 13:16.39 | Wyk3d | brlcad: i know, i was just clearing things up.. i agree that if there's no point in using it, it shouldn't be used |
| 13:17.35 | brlcad | the extra information sometimes drowns out the main point ;) |
| 13:17.53 | brlcad | using an ext is in a similar boat to using tr1 functionality |
| 13:18.33 | brlcad | it's extra work that's basically going to have to change .. contrasted with other perfectly fine solutions for that particular problem |
| 13:20.05 | Wyk3d | well in practice these compilers won't dump hash_map so they don't break code for all the people that already do use hash_map |
| 13:20.29 | Wyk3d | and even if they it's a matter of search and replace to convert to unordered_map |
| 13:20.33 | Wyk3d | *even if they do |
| 13:21.00 | Dontkillmyimabeg | when i want to compile it does not work... |
| 13:21.28 | Dontkillmyimabeg | i download the source, press debug and only errors like: windows.h not found... |
| 13:22.12 | Abominable | Is that all it says? |
| 13:25.43 | KingofCamelot | @Wyk3d: Ok, thanks for clearing that up. As per brlcad's comments, I'll steer clear of hash_map as well. |
| 13:27.13 | Dontkillmyimabeg | no its not alll |
| 13:27.23 | Dontkillmyimabeg | no such file or directory, ... |
| 13:28.18 | Abominable | pastebin me everything please. |
| 13:28.55 | Dontkillmyimabeg | where? |
| 13:29.06 | Abominable | www.pastebin.com |
| 13:29.24 | Dontkillmyimabeg | ok |
| 13:29.33 | Dontkillmyimabeg | i trry to build it aggain... |
| 13:29.42 | Dontkillmyimabeg | then i make it to there... |
| 13:30.29 | Abominable | No, paste all your error problems and what not on pastebin |
| 13:30.49 | Dontkillmyimabeg | ok |
| 13:37.24 | TheRedBaron | is he on windows ? |
| 13:37.40 | TheRedBaron | i'm guessing so - but i don't want to assume. |
| 13:39.03 | Abominable | TheRedBaron: He seems busy maybe, try highlighting him, took awhile for him to respond to me |
| 13:39.40 | Dontkillmyimabeg | http://bzflag.pastebin.com/d292168d5 |
| 13:40.10 | Dontkillmyimabeg | ok? |
| 13:40.48 | Abominable | I'm sorry Dontkillmyimabeg I can't read german :P |
| 13:41.17 | Dontkillmyimabeg | there is only windows.h: no such file or directory |
| 13:41.51 | Dontkillmyimabeg | howto change language? |
| 13:43.24 | Abominable | I'm not sure, but I don't have the time to change it for you |
| 13:43.35 | Dontkillmyimabeg | or can somebody give me the bzflag.sln |
| 13:55.46 | Abominable | In CSS will "#" make it so a line is ignored? |
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| 15:23.10 | Winny | uh |
| 15:23.12 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11774&start=75 |
| 15:23.15 | Winny | read the last post |
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| 15:28.34 | jftsang_ | can anyone help me with http://pastebin.com/f6a4f7273 |
| 15:41.44 | CBG | Winny: someone seems conused |
| 15:43.01 | CBG | jftsang_: looks ok to me but I'm a bit rusty |
| 15:43.25 | CBG | how does it not work? |
| 15:43.34 | jftsang_ | the mesh doesn't exist |
| 15:43.46 | jftsang_ | I don't bump into it on the way up or on the way down |
| 15:43.55 | CBG | can you see it? |
| 15:44.21 | jftsang_ | nope |
| 15:44.59 | CBG | ah you need to do it like: face \n vertices 0 1 2 3 \n endface |
| 15:45.11 | CBG | i was just looking at the numbers not the syntax |
| 15:45.26 | jftsang_ | aha, thanks there:) |
| 15:45.27 | CBG | there's bound to be more info on the wiki |
| 15:46.42 | Winny | CBG, yeah :P |
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| 16:35.49 | SportChick | brlcad: :( |
| 16:37.26 | lukstr-bz | sf.net is glacial for me today |
| 16:38.33 | AHA | TimRiker, ping |
| 16:40.29 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03lukstr * r18283 10/branches/gsoc_libbzw/src/world/Grammar.h: Added missing rule |
| 16:42.51 | lukstr-bz | that commit took over a minute |
| 16:42.53 | lukstr-bz | man |
| 16:44.11 | Cobra_Fast | how can i fix this: on my random map after a couple of minutes some people are unabled to kill other players, their shots only appear in their clients and on anyone elses. |
| 16:44.15 | Cobra_Fast | how can i fix it? |
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| 16:48.49 | BulletCatcher | Cobra_Fast: That sounds like a networking problem, possibly due to a firewall reaching a time limit for letting UDP packets through. |
| 16:49.07 | Cobra_Fast | now i set -requireudp |
| 16:49.15 | Cobra_Fast | until now no problems |
| 16:49.17 | Cobra_Fast | we will see |
| 16:49.32 | Cobra_Fast | but it only happens on my random map |
| 16:49.36 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: are you messing with /set a lot? |
| 16:49.42 | Cobra_Fast | a bit |
| 16:49.43 | Cobra_Fast | yes |
| 16:49.45 | blast007 | that's why |
| 16:49.50 | blast007 | you're screwing something up |
| 16:49.53 | blast007 | do a /reset * |
| 16:49.54 | Cobra_Fast | oh |
| 16:49.59 | Cobra_Fast | i tried |
| 16:50.02 | Cobra_Fast | doesent help |
| 16:50.04 | blast007 | then you might have to have everyone rejoin |
| 16:50.14 | Cobra_Fast | i just restarted the server |
| 16:50.16 | Cobra_Fast | :p |
| 16:50.19 | blast007 | k |
| 16:50.24 | Cobra_Fast | added all changes to the config file |
| 16:50.36 | blast007 | yeah, that's the best way for that kind of stuff |
| 16:50.50 | blast007 | there are some bugs that haven't been tracked down yet |
| 16:53.03 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: do you know francesco95? |
| 16:53.11 | Cobra_Fast | no |
| 16:53.27 | Cobra_Fast | y? |
| 16:54.22 | blast007 | heh, well he posted on the global group request thread, with "cobrafast.admin done." |
| 16:54.28 | blast007 | I think he's confused |
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| 17:14.03 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r18284 10/trunk/db/ (rss.php templates/rss.tpl): |
| 17:14.03 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: Converted the RSS feed to Smarty. |
| 17:14.03 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: Added more information to the <description> of each player. (email, team, score, strength index, current server) |
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| 17:23.36 | Cobra_Fast | why is he confused? |
| 17:27.43 | a_meteorite | Cobra_Fast: for one, he used your name as the group name, two, he can't make groups... "done" is usually said by admins/mods that have done making the group |
| 17:28.07 | Cobra_Fast | ah |
| 17:28.08 | Cobra_Fast | oh |
| 17:28.11 | Cobra_Fast | what? |
| 17:28.12 | Cobra_Fast | lol? |
| 17:28.25 | Cobra_Fast | someone requested my group and said done!? |
| 17:28.47 | Cobra_Fast | things happen nowadays ... unbelievable |
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| 18:02.40 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r18285 10/trunk/db/ (rssgenerator.php templates/rssgenerator.tpl): Convert the RSS feed generator to Smarty. |
| 18:10.40 | BulletCatcher | Using Xen, on Saturday I set up a virtual machine with a minimal set of packages so I can do build environment tests without disrupting the configuration of my daily system. |
| 18:10.40 | BulletCatcher | The absence of the zlib-devel package revealed the need for the following commit. |
| 18:11.04 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r18286 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: When building the included zlib, add its directory to the include path so zlib.h can be found. |
| 18:12.23 | ruskie | there are actually systems withouth zlib? |
| 18:12.29 | ruskie | ow... -devel... those crap systems... |
| 18:13.26 | BulletCatcher | More than 100 packages depend on the zlib library, but the -devel package is not required. |
| 18:14.20 | BulletCatcher | The biggest problem with Xen is that it is not compatible with the nvidia video driver, and without hardware acceleration BZFlag is unplayable. |
| 18:15.07 | ruskie | lol |
| 18:15.15 | ruskie | it's not xen that isn't compatbile |
| 18:15.22 | ruskie | it's nvidia and other binary crudware that isn't |
| 18:15.29 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: not even with this? http://linuxupdate.blogspot.com/2007/07/full-opengl-3d-acceleration-for.html |
| 18:15.40 | blast007 | http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andreslc/xen-gl/ |
| 18:16.20 | ruskie | it's possible with the Free Software dri drivers |
| 18:18.02 | a_meteorite | which suck mostly anyways |
| 18:18.23 | ruskie | doesn't bother |
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| 18:19.51 | BulletCatcher | Thanks, blast007. I'll take a closer look at VMGL when I get the chance. |
| 18:22.30 | blast007 | eww, "modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf to use the nv driver, and restart X." |
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| 18:22.41 | blast007 | not sure if they're referring to the host or the VM there |
| 18:24.36 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03wyk3d * r18287 10/branches/gsoc_bzauthd/ (7 files in 5 dirs): * Added basic client integration for auth |
| 18:37.46 | Wyk3d | got a million errors like this while running bzflag under purify: http://pastebin.ca/1092726 |
| 18:39.07 | Erroneous | Wyk3d: as I read it, that's either a problem in purify or some unclean code in the STL library you're using. our code there is legal. |
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| 18:49.57 | lukstr-bz | What type is data for a custom bzw object stored in? |
| 18:50.10 | JeffM | text |
| 18:50.12 | JeffM | lines of text |
| 18:50.42 | lukstr-bz | Stored within what? |
| 18:50.47 | JeffM | what do you mean? |
| 18:50.52 | JeffM | it's not stored |
| 18:51.00 | JeffM | it's read and sent to the API |
| 18:51.03 | JeffM | then ditched |
| 18:51.32 | JeffM | the API gets it as a list of strings |
| 18:54.15 | lukstr-bz | So custom objects from plugins or whatever are pre-registered prior to parsing and the info is passed back? |
| 18:54.46 | JeffM | I thought we went over this |
| 18:54.51 | JeffM | the API registers an object name |
| 18:54.57 | lukstr-bz | yes yes |
| 18:55.14 | JeffM | when the parser sees the name, it reads lines to the end |
| 18:55.23 | JeffM | then passes them to the API |
| 18:55.27 | JeffM | and the API does what it has to |
| 18:55.39 | JeffM | then the parser throws the object away and moves on |
| 18:55.47 | lukstr-bz | line by line or all at once? |
| 18:55.54 | JeffM | don't remember |
| 18:55.55 | JeffM | I'd have to check |
| 18:55.57 | JeffM | one sec |
| 18:56.02 | lukstr-bz | okay |
| 18:56.02 | JeffM | on phone |
| 18:56.07 | lukstr-bz | no worries |
| 18:57.57 | JeffM | it fills out a bz_CustomMapObjectInfo |
| 18:58.03 | JeffM | that has a list of strings for the data |
| 18:58.07 | JeffM | and the object name |
| 18:58.55 | lukstr-bz | sounds good, would it be sane to "register" the regular objects (i.e. box, mesh) in a similar way? |
| 18:59.06 | JeffM | that's up to you |
| 18:59.10 | JeffM | that's how I did my parser |
| 18:59.16 | lukstr-bz | alright |
| 18:59.24 | lukstr-bz | I'm not fond of hardcoding them into the class |
| 18:59.37 | JeffM | my parser was made to be non destructive |
| 18:59.52 | JeffM | so it had a basic internal construct that just held any object as a list of strings |
| 19:00.12 | JeffM | then specific classes would be registerd for names |
| 19:00.22 | JeffM | if the name was registerd the class was called and parsed the data |
| 19:00.26 | TimRiker | ~nslookup bzpro.bzflag.net |
| 19:00.31 | JeffM | if it didn't exist it just held onto the data |
| 19:00.38 | TimRiker | pokes AHA. done. |
| 19:00.47 | JeffM | TimRiker, did you ever get my emial about the dns changes? |
| 19:01.10 | TimRiker | JeffM: yes, but I've not yet divided the domains. I'll get to it soon, but not today. |
| 19:01.25 | JeffM | no worries, just wanted to make sure that you go it :) |
| 19:01.31 | TimRiker | yep. thanx! |
| 19:01.40 | JeffM | the joy of google docs :) |
| 19:02.24 | TimRiker | :) |
| 19:03.33 | lukstr-bz | JeffM: do you know of a file offhand where I can see how current objects are registered with the parser? |
| 19:03.58 | TimRiker | I find the docs menu odd. it shows all the folks I have shared documents with, but not a list of the documents themselves. thus for the docs that have multiple editors, I see them multiple times in the list. |
| 19:04.29 | lukstr-bz | really? |
| 19:05.16 | TimRiker | the "items not in folders" is what I want until I file something. not a biggie, I just find it odd. |
| 19:05.20 | lukstr-bz | mine shows the list of documents and then for each item who it's shared with |
| 19:20.45 | JeffM | lukstr flag zone |
| 19:22.11 | JeffM | plugins/wwzones/wwzones.cpp |
| 19:22.12 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.02 | JeffM | for each object the bool WWZHandler::handle(bz_ApiString object, bz_CustomMapObjectInfo * data) is called |
| 19:28.43 | Wyk3d | purify memory leak report: http://pastebin.ca/1092764 .. |
| 19:33.43 | lukstr-bz | ~lart SourceForge.net |
| 19:33.43 | ibot | squeezes SourceForge.net till SourceForge.net turns blue like papa smurf |
| 19:35.22 | lukstr-bz | opens a beer |
| 19:35.33 | lukstr-bz | it is, after all, a holiday :) |
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| 19:45.10 | lukstr-bz | I suppose I'll just write a simple callback method that can be modified to match current api later |
| 19:51.17 | JeffM | yeah you can have glue code in between it and the API |
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| 20:19.02 | JeffM | awww.... 0.40$ short of 700$ in the paypal :( stupid fees. |
| 20:32.18 | spldart | digs in his pocket |
| 20:37.46 | AHA | thanks TimRiker |
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| 22:34.01 | Cobra_Fast | well, this is what experts call a classic QuakeNet Channel |
| 22:34.29 | Cobra_Fast | with the only difference that this one is on freenode |
| 22:34.54 | JeffM | huh? |
| 22:35.16 | Cobra_Fast | nobody talks |
| 22:35.21 | JeffM | sure they do |
| 22:35.23 | JeffM | just not all thet ime |
| 22:35.25 | Cobra_Fast | the only messages are "Join" and "QUit" |
| 22:35.35 | Cobra_Fast | ;) |
| 22:35.46 | JeffM | it is not your normal social "chat" channel that's for sure |
| 22:35.47 | Winny | read up |
| 22:36.11 | JeffM | it's a small project you can't expect it to be constnatly going |
| 22:36.14 | Winny | off topic: exactly 78,000 posts on BZBB |
| 22:36.18 | donny_baker | Cobra_Fast: usually doesnt heat up until past you bed time ;) |
| 22:36.25 | Cobra_Fast | hehe |
| 22:36.29 | donny_baker | mine too |
| 22:36.49 | JeffM | gives Constitution the stink eye |
| 22:36.57 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM -> http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || 2.0.12 is the latest linux release, 2.0.10 for others || GSoC 2008, mentor blog at http://tanks4code.blogspot.com || GSOC participants: 14 days and counting... get the lead out |
| 22:37.16 | Winny | gives JeffM pink eye |
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| 22:37.26 | JeffM | no thanks, I'm straight |
| 22:37.29 | lukstr-bz | I would like to make a map with strings as the key, is it ever wise to use a string reference as the key? |
| 22:37.44 | JeffM | lukstr-bz, ref |
| 22:37.45 | JeffM | no |
| 22:37.50 | JeffM | use a real string |
| 22:37.53 | lukstr-bz | okay |
| 22:38.02 | lukstr-bz | so let it make a copy of the string? |
| 22:38.05 | JeffM | otherwise you have to keep the actual strings some where |
| 22:38.06 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:38.10 | Winny | pinkeye is transmitted through the air :P |
| 22:38.11 | JeffM | it has to keep the value in the container |
| 22:38.11 | lukstr-bz | alright |
| 22:38.15 | KTL | unless the string is very large? |
| 22:38.19 | lukstr-bz | this reference stuff is still confusing to me :P |
| 22:38.20 | JeffM | otherwise where would the actual string be |
| 22:38.23 | JeffM | KTL, even if it is |
| 22:38.38 | JeffM | the value can be a ref if you keep it elsewhere, but the key should be a string |
| 22:38.44 | JeffM | a ref is a pointer |
| 22:38.45 | JeffM | that's it |
| 22:38.52 | lukstr-bz | yes but C++ does some automagic stuff |
| 22:38.57 | lukstr-bz | that throws me off balance |
| 22:39.04 | JeffM | it's a pointer that can be accessed with . |
| 22:39.11 | JeffM | and can be const |
| 22:39.12 | lukstr-bz | yeah |
| 22:39.14 | JeffM | that's basicly it |
| 22:39.21 | JeffM | but it dosn't contain the data |
| 22:39.24 | JeffM | it is a poitner to it |
| 22:39.25 | lukstr-bz | of course not |
| 22:39.33 | JeffM | KTL, if the data is that big then he should not be using a map ;) |
| 22:39.40 | lukstr-bz | heh |
| 22:39.42 | KTL | right |
| 22:39.57 | JeffM | it's a map of object names right? |
| 22:40.45 | lukstr-bz | yes |
| 22:40.47 | lukstr-bz | exactly |
| 22:41.01 | JeffM | then yeah, they will be relitively short, and you'll have like 20 of them |
| 22:41.06 | JeffM | a map will be perfectly fine |
| 22:41.08 | lukstr-bz | sure |
| 22:41.37 | lukstr-bz | I feel like typedefing a function pointer, any suggestions for a name for a ptr to a WorldObject constructor? :P |
| 22:41.47 | JeffM | it'll do a binary search so at most it'll take like 4-5 searches |
| 22:41.48 | lukstr-bz | (not a real constructor) |
| 22:42.00 | JeffM | why do you need a pointer to the constructor? |
| 22:42.05 | JeffM | to make objects? |
| 22:42.11 | JeffM | from a name? |
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| 22:42.46 | lukstr-bz | it's a pointer to a function that returns a newly constructed world object |
| 22:42.54 | JeffM | that's called a factory |
| 22:43.01 | lukstr-bz | I see |
| 22:43.02 | JeffM | I usualy do it with factory classes |
| 22:43.22 | JeffM | but yeah you could do it with static functions too |
| 22:43.26 | JeffM | but they are called factories |
| 22:43.29 | JeffM | cus they MAKE objects |
| 22:44.29 | JeffM | I do it with classes so I can have a new and delete method in the factory, cus I often have the factoies in various DLLs, and it's important for the memory to be freeed by the same module that newed it |
| 22:44.38 | lukstr-bz | right |
| 22:44.58 | lukstr-bz | This is for external objects to register with the world so that the world can inform the parser |
| 22:45.06 | JeffM | sure |
| 22:45.14 | JeffM | just call it a factory |
| 22:45.17 | lukstr-bz | Okay |
| 22:46.36 | JeffM | how do you like spirit so far after using it? |
| 22:46.47 | lukstr-bz | it's sexy |
| 22:47.12 | JeffM | do you and it need a room? |
| 22:47.30 | lukstr-bz | maybe |
| 22:48.03 | lukstr-bz | still far uglier than lex/yacc |
| 22:48.23 | lukstr-bz | but lex/yacc produces the worlds bloated-est files |
| 22:49.32 | KTL | oe part of boost |
| 22:49.40 | KTL | will remember that one |
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| 22:51.36 | lukstr-bz | KTL: ? |
| 22:52.40 | KTL | the spirit homepage said that it was part of the boost c++ libs, and i got a somewhat higher esteem of those, so if i ever need a parser in c++ i will look at it |
| 22:55.52 | lukstr-bz | heh |
| 22:56.15 | JeffM | time to see if I got the directX changes done right :) |
| 22:57.21 | lukstr-bz | shudders at directX |
| 22:57.29 | JeffM | why? |
| 22:57.38 | lukstr-bz | I dislike it :) |
| 22:57.43 | JeffM | why? |
| 22:57.53 | Winny | because Microsoft made it I bet |
| 22:57.54 | lukstr-bz | The API is uncomfortable |
| 22:58.21 | lukstr-bz | no no, I wrote a terrible asteroids clone in c++ with DX long time back, and it was a pita |
| 22:58.42 | JeffM | how long ago? |
| 22:58.47 | lukstr-bz | heh |
| 22:58.49 | lukstr-bz | uh... |
| 22:58.53 | lukstr-bz | 6 years? |
| 22:59.07 | lukstr-bz | some time before high school |
| 22:59.11 | JeffM | yeah the older APIs sucked prety bad |
| 22:59.24 | JeffM | I don't mind dsound or dinput |
| 22:59.28 | lukstr-bz | oh, well maybe it's better |
| 22:59.32 | JeffM | be nice if SDL didn't suck so bad |
| 23:00.19 | lukstr-bz | SDL isn't so painful, I find you just have to wrap it sufficiently and get it over with |
| 23:00.32 | JeffM | it dosn't support a lot of things |
| 23:00.35 | lukstr-bz | that's very true |
| 23:00.37 | JeffM | multiple windows, etc.. |
| 23:00.41 | lukstr-bz | it's definitely unfriendly |
| 23:00.43 | JeffM | the API is very 90s |
| 23:00.46 | lukstr-bz | heh |
| 23:01.11 | JeffM | I'd like to see a nice object oritented SDL replacement |
| 23:01.22 | lukstr-bz | yes |
| 23:01.43 | JeffM | I started one once |
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| 23:01.58 | lukstr-bz | heh, I bet there are many abandoned in sf |
| 23:02.06 | JeffM | indeed |
| 23:04.30 | JeffM | I think I had my API mostly fleshed out, just needed to work on the guts for the various OSs |
| 23:04.30 | lukstr-bz | should I include Y.h in X.cxx if it's included in X.h, for the sake of being pedantic? |
| 23:04.55 | JeffM | is it needed by the header? |
| 23:05.00 | JeffM | or just by the cxx? |
| 23:05.01 | lukstr-bz | yes |
| 23:05.03 | lukstr-bz | both |
| 23:05.04 | JeffM | then just in the header |
| 23:05.09 | lukstr-bz | okay |
| 23:05.12 | JeffM | no need to double up |
| 23:08.12 | JeffM | yay, looks like I did get the dx stuff right. it builds clean on the july 2008SDK now |
| 23:08.23 | JeffM | someone should try it on the older SDK |
| 23:13.53 | lukstr-bz | do you, perchance, inform plugins if an object they try to register is already registered? |
| 23:14.45 | JeffM | I think you can have more then one hooked into it |
| 23:15.48 | lukstr-bz | how does that work? |
| 23:15.53 | JeffM | naw looks like there is only one |
| 23:15.57 | JeffM | but we don't notify |
| 23:16.03 | JeffM | won't be that hard to do so |
| 23:16.25 | lukstr-bz | alright |
| 23:20.17 | JeffM | fixed |
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