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| 00:46.17 | blizzard- | Cobra_slow: ratman hasn't left that server, lol |
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| 01:21.06 | spldart | starts dozing off.. When is that commit planned Const? |
| 01:22.52 | spldart | Hrm... Mine is elsewhere.... |
| 01:23.27 | spldart | Oh no! They got johnny!.. I mean KoC! |
| 01:28.43 | Thumper_ | is back from weekending and reads the backlog |
| 01:29.11 | spldart | That's a big piece of pie :) |
| 01:29.33 | spldart | Actually. Not as much as some weekends. Moo... MooMoo. |
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| 01:40.46 | Constitution | spldart: for me, "night" generally means 2-3 AM ;) |
| 01:41.28 | spldart | Which time zone? |
| 01:41.32 | spldart | central here |
| 01:41.53 | CBG | a bit to the right here |
| 01:42.21 | spldart | ah |
| 01:42.42 | spldart | r u under the influence of a certain tropical disturbance? |
| 01:42.47 | spldart | ;-) |
| 01:43.04 | Constitution | spldart: Arizona... switches between pacific/mountain |
| 01:43.18 | spldart | is hoping 'Dolly' comes more northerly of her landfal prediction on the gulf coast |
| 01:43.19 | spldart | Ah |
| 01:43.28 | spldart | So your 2-3 is my 3-4 |
| 01:43.49 | spldart | yeah.... I will be asleep by then.. I'll be getting up for work around your 6am |
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| 01:55.53 | spldart | ... That sounded bad |
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| 03:29.28 | spldart | *crickets* |
| 03:36.40 | Viza | drops a needle |
| 03:39.49 | spldart | cringes in the sheer agonizing pain of the terrible sound |
| 03:59.17 | delusional | cracks a hard boiled egg on dont_kill_me_im_a_begginner's head, and it's not even easter. |
| 04:12.21 | Thumper_ | *yawn* |
| 04:18.22 | spldart | lol |
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| 08:15.08 | jn | hi there |
| 08:15.41 | jn | i'm new to irc and looking for help with the linux-version of bzflag |
| 08:15.53 | jn | can anyone help me plz? |
| 08:16.01 | blast007 | sure |
| 08:16.09 | blast007 | what do you need help with? |
| 08:16.45 | jn | i am looking for nfo about the folder-structure of the linux-client |
| 08:17.22 | blast007 | you mean for the data directory? |
| 08:17.32 | jn | under windows there is a data-folder which is missing under linux |
| 08:17.43 | blast007 | not missing, just in a different spot |
| 08:18.21 | jn | in almost all costom maps ive d/l the textures are missing |
| 08:18.23 | blast007 | for me, it's under: /usr/local/share/bzflag/ |
| 08:18.33 | jn | and i dont know how to fix that |
| 08:18.50 | blast007 | fix that? it's not broken ;) that's how it should be |
| 08:19.06 | blast007 | are you encountering an issue with it finding the directory? |
| 08:19.26 | blast007 | oh, nvm |
| 08:19.29 | jn | yes - doesnt exist |
| 08:19.30 | blast007 | missed your message |
| 08:19.34 | jn | np |
| 08:19.51 | blast007 | does the regular bzflag textures show up though? |
| 08:20.04 | jn | in the random-map? yes |
| 08:20.09 | blast007 | okay |
| 08:20.21 | blast007 | custom map textures are stored in a different area |
| 08:20.46 | blast007 | ~/.bzw/cache/ |
| 08:21.08 | blast007 | in there is an http directory, which is where textures go |
| 08:21.23 | jn | any subfolders necessary or just copy the textures to this location? |
| 08:21.43 | jn | ok |
| 08:21.44 | blast007 | it creates subfolders, yes |
| 08:22.37 | blast007 | example: ~/.bzw/cache/http/images.bzflag.org/purplepanzer/white.png |
| 08:23.00 | blast007 | is this a specific server you are having issues with? |
| 08:23.35 | jn | no - i want to be the servcer myself |
| 08:23.45 | jn | *server |
| 08:24.09 | jn | and i have downloaded a map from www.bzflag.at |
| 08:24.12 | blast007 | it is recommended to use our image hosting service if you want to run a public server with custom textures |
| 08:24.33 | blast007 | (as it will be allowed by the client by default) |
| 08:24.34 | jn | but if i start the server and join the game all the walls and buildings are just grey |
| 08:24.47 | blast007 | where are the images hosted from? |
| 08:24.50 | jn | no - just private server |
| 08:24.53 | blast007 | k |
| 08:25.43 | jn | in the site i have found skinpacks - so i think these are the textures |
| 08:25.46 | blast007 | there's a ~/DownloadAccess.txt file that you can modify to allow different image hosts, or you can just remove the "deny *" line and it will allow everything |
| 08:26.21 | blast007 | skinpack sounds like it replaces the default textures |
| 08:26.40 | jn | ok - would make sense |
| 08:26.56 | blast007 | (or at least *some* of the textures) |
| 08:29.36 | jn | hmm - i've edited the downloadaccess.txt |
| 08:30.02 | jn | but no luck - the tesxtures seem to be downloaded but cannot be loaded |
| 08:31.02 | jn | but the .png files are there |
| 08:31.58 | blast007 | strange |
| 08:32.34 | jn | yes |
| 08:33.00 | jn | i have checked the paths - they seem correct |
| 08:42.50 | blast007 | ~lart svn |
| 08:42.50 | ibot | decapitates svn conan the destroyer style |
| 08:44.05 | jn | *ahem - sry - new to irc - what does that mean? :S |
| 08:44.25 | blast007 | SVN is our version control system, and it's not cooperating with me |
| 08:44.41 | jn | ok |
| 08:45.04 | blast007 | just trying to send about 5KB of data to it, and it's taking forever :/ |
| 08:45.20 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r18109 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webadmin/templates/ (404.tmpl 500.tmpl): Make the error pages sound a bit more professional. |
| 08:45.30 | blast007 | wee, finally |
| 08:45.40 | blast007 | failed the first time... |
| 08:45.46 | jn | :) |
| 08:49.48 | jn | are the png files standard image files? gim is unable to open these - maybe is this the problem |
| 08:52.38 | blast007 | they should be regular PNG files |
| 08:52.53 | blast007 | if gimp is having issues, that might be a sign the ones you have are broken :) |
| 08:53.14 | jn | ok - i will try to download them manually |
| 08:53.18 | blast007 | open them in a text editor |
| 08:53.29 | blast007 | might be sending something like an error page instead |
| 08:54.11 | jn | whoa! - these semm to be html-files! |
| 08:54.19 | jn | *seem |
| 08:54.45 | jn | cache access is denied |
| 08:54.56 | jn | is the error message |
| 08:56.11 | jn | very strange... |
| 08:57.36 | blast007 | not too strange |
| 08:58.00 | blast007 | the image files the map is referencing are either missing or are just being denied access to now |
| 08:59.34 | jn | to me its strange because the images are beeing downloaded but contain html-code then |
| 08:59.55 | jn | downloading them with wget now... |
| 09:00.18 | blast007 | the client doesn't verify that they *are* PNG files when it download them |
| 09:00.32 | blast007 | it just has cURL download them |
| 09:01.02 | jn | k - so it seems the web-server puts the html-code into the png-file? |
| 09:04.08 | blast007 | no, the server server isn't sending a PNG file |
| 09:04.28 | blast007 | we are requesting a PNG file, and the server is saying "no, you can't have that" and give an error page back |
| 09:04.54 | blast007 | so the client reads the data and just blindly writes it to a .png file |
| 09:05.06 | jn | ok - makes sense |
| 09:06.47 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r18110 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webadmin/ (webadmin.cpp webadmin.sln webadmin.vcproj): |
| 09:06.47 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: Don't crash in the event that the size of pagename is zero. |
| 09:06.47 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: Add the other template files to the VC project. |
| 09:09.24 | jn | ok |
| 09:09.42 | jn | so i looked into the bzw-file.. |
| 09:10.01 | jn | there are urls for the texture-files to download |
| 09:10.30 | jn | the bzflag cant get them - but i have downloaded them with wget and now it works |
| 09:10.38 | blast007 | strange |
| 09:10.47 | jn | still ab bit strange but i got a workaround... |
| 09:11.03 | blast007 | perhaps the webhost was changed to block blank referrers |
| 09:11.13 | blast007 | we don't send a referer or a user-agent from the client afaik |
| 09:11.25 | blast007 | wget probably sends both |
| 09:11.39 | jn | no idea - not a webserver-expert ;) |
| 09:12.07 | blast007 | what is one of the image URLs? |
| 09:12.42 | jn | http://louman.bzflag.bz/textures/churchyard/StainedGlass02.png for e.g. |
| 09:13.57 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r18111 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webadmin/templates/ (banlist.tmpl group.tmpl header.tmpl helpmsg.tmpl main.tmpl): |
| 09:13.57 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: Start converting the templates to HTML 4.01 Strict instead of XHTML 1.1. |
| 09:13.57 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: Loops use [*START] and [*END], not [!START] and [!END]. (main.tmpl) |
| 09:14.40 | blast007 | jn: strange. That's hosted on a server that should be working quite well. (our list server, or the same server that hosts the bzflag forum) |
| 09:15.57 | blast007 | was this Louman's Churchyard you were trying to run? |
| 09:16.06 | jn | maybe the proxy is disturbing :( |
| 09:16.10 | jn | yes |
| 09:17.28 | jn | so when i am hosting a server - do the clients download these files from my server or from the internet-server? |
| 09:17.43 | blast007 | internet server |
| 09:18.19 | blast007 | you could always grab a copy of the files, run a local web server, and adjust the URLs in the map file |
| 09:18.23 | jn | thats bad |
| 09:18.42 | blast007 | well, in general it's a good thing ;) |
| 09:18.54 | blast007 | web servers are *much* better at sending files then bzfs |
| 09:18.59 | jn | hmm - i think i have to find a workaround with the connection |
| 09:19.23 | blast007 | afaik, the client won't use a proxy unless it's a trasparent one |
| 09:19.59 | blast007 | but I'm not sure of all the quirks and hidden features that cURL might have |
| 09:19.59 | jn | too bad - the proxy requires authentication |
| 09:20.37 | blast007 | can you get a server list in-game? |
| 09:20.47 | jn | just a second |
| 09:21.42 | jn | nop :@ |
| 09:21.57 | jn | i hate this damn proxy |
| 09:22.19 | blast007 | is it one that you run in your network? |
| 09:22.42 | jn | im not the admin ;( |
| 09:22.47 | blast007 | ah |
| 09:22.53 | jn | im sitting in a training-facility |
| 09:23.36 | jn | but the training isnt too informative if you know what i mean |
| 09:24.29 | blast007 | yeah, so pretty much your only option at this point is to run a local web server with those textures, and the modify the URLs in the map |
| 09:24.55 | jn | *sigh* |
| 09:25.08 | blast007 | there's a workaround for the Server List when dealing with proxies (telling it to use port 81 instead of 80), but that wouldn't help with your texture issues |
| 09:25.22 | blast007 | since I tried port 81 for that host, and it didn't work |
| 09:25.48 | jn | wouldnt help as you said |
| 09:26.26 | jn | ok so i will hack the mapfiles... |
| 09:28.45 | jn | onother idea - would it be possible to replace the urls in the mapfiles with a local path? the idea is to export the files on a nfs-network |
| 09:29.00 | jn | *nfs-share |
| 09:31.52 | jn | althoug its almost the same effort ;) |
| 09:37.05 | jn | @ blast007: i have to leave - very very very many thanks for great help |
| 09:37.23 | blast007 | np, good luck |
| 09:37.33 | blast007 | local path might work |
| 09:37.36 | blast007 | you'd have to test that |
| 09:37.41 | jn | ok thanks |
| 09:37.55 | jn | i will test it |
| 09:37.57 | jn | bye |
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| 11:09.24 | bz17 | to register an server i need only to write ibot "~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 "? |
| 11:10.27 | bz17 | hmm |
| 11:11.35 | bz17 | is here an channel for server and serverrunning? |
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| 11:17.57 | Constitution | bz17: do it like this |
| 11:18.06 | Constitution | ~bzfquery divi.fairserve.net:5154 |
| 11:18.19 | bz17 | hehe |
| 11:18.21 | bz17 | yes |
| 11:18.23 | Constitution | the syntax is ~bzfquery <server address>:<port> |
| 11:18.31 | bz17 | thank you |
| 11:19.22 | Constitution | np |
| 11:23.36 | bz17 | can i stream audio/video on my map? |
| 11:25.08 | Constitution | not really, although in the next version you will be able to play custom sounds with a plugin |
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| 11:50.38 | Wyk3d | JBdiGriz: ping |
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| 11:56.31 | bz58 | how to set countdown? |
| 11:57.19 | bz58 | on an running server? |
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| 12:04.54 | bz58 | here is coming on serverstart some on the command line |
| 12:05.25 | bz58 | i dont understand that |
| 12:06.13 | bz58 | some like Recalibrated QPC frequency. |
| 12:06.21 | bz58 | is that good? |
| 12:10.17 | bz58 | ok |
| 12:10.30 | bz58 | how to do that aggain with the bzfquery ? |
| 12:11.09 | bz58 | bzfquery 89.12.233.145:5154 |
| 12:11.17 | bz58 | ~bzfquery 89.12.233.145:5154 |
| 12:24.55 | AHA | is it just me, or is checking out something from sourceforge's svn is really slow? |
| 12:25.08 | whodaman- | no |
| 12:25.14 | AHA | deletes the second is |
| 12:25.15 | whodaman- | took 30 minutes for branch yesterday |
| 12:25.18 | AHA | *third |
| 12:25.22 | whodaman- | What? |
| 12:25.38 | AHA | i had one to many is's in that sentance |
| 12:26.02 | whodaman- | ;D |
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| 12:28.44 | bz58 | svn is really slow |
| 12:28.56 | bz58 | at the end i cant compile it :-( |
| 12:36.23 | Manu | patience is a virtue |
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| 13:11.35 | Constitution | hmmm... sourceforge does seem to be having problems of some kind with their SVN system... |
| 13:13.14 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r18112 10/branches/gsoc_collisions/src/game/ (9 files): |
| 13:13.14 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: Moved some shot strategy code to libgame. |
| 13:13.14 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: Associated makefile changes. |
| 13:13.24 | Constitution | ah, there |
| 13:15.42 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r18113 10/branches/gsoc_collisions/ (22 files in 4 dirs): Moved some more files around and more make system fixes. |
| 13:27.25 | Manu | Constitution: nothing new :) |
| 13:28.43 | Constitution | Manu: it doesn't even compile yet... I'm going to have to generalize some Player references (differences between client and server) before that's going to work. |
| 13:29.11 | Manu | Constitution: I mean sourceforge svn issues ;) |
| 13:29.19 | Constitution | oh, heh |
| 13:32.32 | Constitution | hmmm, maybe time to learn how to use callbacks... |
| 13:32.57 | Constitution | don't really see a cleaner way of doing this |
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| 15:51.06 | blast007 | re: the SVN slowness: http://sourceforge.net/community/forum/topic.php?id=2902&page&replies=1 |
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| 15:56.09 | Thumper_ | blast007: thx for the info |
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| 16:23.48 | blast007 | JeffM: I'm having issues with the loop structures in the HTTP plugin template system |
| 16:23.56 | JeffM | cool |
| 16:23.58 | JeffM | what issues? |
| 16:24.06 | blast007 | not sure if it's an issue with webadmin or the loop system itself |
| 16:24.26 | JeffM | webreport uses a loop |
| 16:24.35 | blast007 | well, first, I can't get it to output the players as it's currently coded in webadmin |
| 16:24.39 | JeffM | as does webstats IIRC |
| 16:24.50 | blast007 | yeah, I should probably test those too |
| 16:25.29 | blast007 | I also placed a </div> after the end of a loop, but that never shows up |
| 16:25.39 | blast007 | showed* |
| 16:25.49 | blast007 | but I'll play with the other ones quick |
| 16:25.53 | JeffM | hmmm, maybe it dosn't flush the buffer before the commands |
| 16:26.57 | Thumper_ | I also noticed that webadmin is constantly asking me to authenticate for every action |
| 16:27.24 | JeffM | does your header contain a session cookie? |
| 16:28.56 | blast007 | Thumper_: yeah.. |
| 16:29.07 | blast007 | JeffM: not sure, let me check |
| 16:29.31 | JeffM | that's what it's suposed to use |
| 16:29.50 | JeffM | the code for the auth stuff is in plugin utils, in the authed vdir base class |
| 16:30.04 | blast007 | I can't check if I do or not |
| 16:30.20 | blast007 | currently I'm getting a bunch of random binary data spit out at the end of the request |
| 16:30.30 | blast007 | and it's not caching then, so I can't view source or view the response headers |
| 16:31.05 | JeffM | hmm |
| 16:31.28 | JeffM | test it with one of the other plugins and we'll see what we can see |
| 16:31.33 | blast007 | yeah |
| 16:31.43 | JeffM | there is also HTTP test |
| 16:31.46 | JeffM | it's prety simple |
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| 16:44.30 | blast007 | JeffM: I'm also getting "Debug Assertion Failed!" messages when the winsock close() function is called (either from Ctrl-C or when another server is running on the same port) |
| 16:44.35 | blast007 | should I be worried about that? |
| 16:45.01 | JeffM | hmm |
| 16:45.10 | JeffM | proobably |
| 16:45.15 | JeffM | but it may be a minor thing |
| 16:46.08 | Gnurdux | why doesnt Windows just use plain BSD sockets like every other OS? |
| 16:46.39 | JeffM | because it dosn't |
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| 16:46.59 | JeffM | why do the british drive on the other side of the road? |
| 16:51.04 | Manu | JeffM: to be different ;) |
| 16:51.16 | JeffM | bingo |
| 16:51.49 | JeffM | winsoc is actualy prety cool if you look at it in the contect of an event driven desktop application |
| 16:52.01 | JeffM | it ties into the windows event system, so you can get a message when data is pending |
| 16:52.15 | Gnurdux | thats true |
| 16:52.16 | JeffM | bsd sockets can not do that and you have to do threads and loops to constantly check. |
| 16:52.23 | Gnurdux | you have to use select |
| 16:52.24 | JeffM | so for them it had advanatages |
| 16:52.26 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:52.42 | JeffM | they cept most of it very close to bsd sockets |
| 16:52.53 | Gnurdux | with some random differences |
| 16:52.57 | Gnurdux | i think the flags arent all the same |
| 16:52.58 | JeffM | realy all you have to change is the startup shutdown stuff |
| 16:53.01 | JeffM | they arn't random |
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| 17:14.48 | Thumper_ | JeffM: the server also crashes each and everytime it shuts down (with just fastmap loaded) probably due to a corrupted stack but I haven't had time to look into it |
| 17:17.52 | blast007 | hmm, in serverStop, why do we close the socket and *then* try to send a MsgSuperKill? |
| 17:23.52 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 17:26.44 | JeffM | sounds like it's time for you all to get debugin :) |
| 17:27.05 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 17:29.40 | JeffM | I have a plugin to write then I can start looking at some of it, but I'd really like others to review myt code too |
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| 18:07.21 | blast007 | is there a difference between "#if defined(_WIN32)" and "#ifdef _WIN32" ? |
| 18:07.32 | JeffM | not really |
| 18:07.35 | blast007 | k |
| 18:07.45 | blast007 | found a fix for the crash on closing the socket |
| 18:07.47 | JeffM | #ifdef is the more modern convention |
| 18:07.52 | JeffM | cool |
| 18:07.54 | blast007 | using closesocket on win32 instesd of close |
| 18:08.18 | blast007 | *nix still uses close though |
| 18:08.23 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:08.54 | JeffM | at some point we should change the socket defines over from using _WIN32 to something like HAS_WINSOC |
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| 18:11.00 | JeffM | curses macintosh menu strings |
| 18:15.27 | Wyk3d | blast007: so in the end did you test the auth/reg code ? |
| 18:15.44 | blast007 | haven't gotten around to that yet |
| 18:16.04 | blast007 | haven't gone through the test app yet |
| 18:17.23 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r18115 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Use closesocket() instead of close() on Win32 to avoid a debug assertion. |
| 18:17.27 | blast007 | wow, svn isn't slow as crap now |
| 18:17.57 | Wyk3d | it's pretty simple, you just uncomment only the test_net in test.cpp and in tcp_net you ucomment either test_comm(0) for auth or test_comm(2) for reg, and then in the opcode handlers you change the message and see what happens :) |
| 18:18.59 | Wyk3d | i send "callsign password" encrypted for both reg and auth |
| 18:19.19 | blast007 | k |
| 18:21.38 | Wyk3d | btw .. there's a weird performance issue with gcrypt on windows.. whenever you call gcrypt functions for the first time it freezes you system for a second or so .. after that you can call them any number of times and they're pretty fast |
| 18:22.04 | Wyk3d | i have a dual core cpu and both cores are maxed out |
| 18:22.12 | blast007 | heh |
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| 18:22.32 | QuantumZin | hello |
| 18:22.43 | blast007 | QuantumZin: hello impersonator |
| 18:23.06 | QuantumZin | T_T ugh |
| 18:24.31 | Wyk3d | and the best part is .. it does this just to initialize its random number generator lol |
| 18:24.39 | blast007 | Wyk3d: heh |
| 18:24.55 | blast007 | random numbers...ACTIVATE!! |
| 18:25.05 | Wyk3d | during key generation it actually takes more time to initialize the random generator that to find huge prime numbers and do ops with them :)) |
| 18:25.09 | JeffM | I'll form the MANTISA! |
| 18:25.11 | QuantumZin | lol |
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| 18:33.18 | QuantumZin | blast since your an admin and in higher authority |
| 18:33.35 | QuantumZin | and you gave me orders to change my callsign i will :) |
| 18:34.05 | JeffM | how about you just stop being an ass and pick a normal name? |
| 18:37.10 | blast007 | I'd recommend you change all of your names that are just there to imitate others |
| 18:43.26 | blast007 | oooo, SVN 1.5 has merge tracking |
| 18:43.58 | blast007 | http://subversion.tigris.org/svn_1.5_releasenotes.html#merge-tracking |
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| 20:00.24 | Wyk3d | now has 3 versions of VS installed :) |
| 20:00.37 | JeffM | what ones? |
| 20:00.48 | Wyk3d | 7.1 8 and 9 |
| 20:00.58 | JeffM | fun |
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| 20:27.21 | Lukstr | ugh |
| 20:27.23 | Lukstr | hello, world |
| 20:31.32 | JeffM | Lukst has performed an illegal operation and will be shutdown |
| 20:31.42 | Lukstr | sigsegv |
| 20:31.54 | JeffM | you were ported to windows last night |
| 20:32.01 | Lukstr | :( |
| 20:32.05 | JeffM | you now run as managed code |
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| 21:10.30 | Wyk3d | from a quick search i found that hash maps are not used anywhere ? why is that ? |
| 21:16.16 | JeffM | we have not needed them |
| 21:18.08 | Wyk3d | kinda hard to imagine .. in just the bzauthd code i already have two places where they are the most optimal solution |
| 21:18.20 | JeffM | for auth yeah it makes sense |
| 21:18.33 | JeffM | we use bzdb cache with callbacks for the other lookup stuff we need |
| 21:18.40 | JeffM | most everything else is just flat out iteration |
| 21:18.52 | JeffM | so a hashmap dosn't realy add anything |
| 21:20.01 | Wyk3d | BZDB uses a std::map |
| 21:20.11 | JeffM | yeah for the rare lookups |
| 21:20.30 | Wyk3d | yes but you have many strings in it right ? |
| 21:20.40 | JeffM | for stuff we use all the time, it's done in the bzdb cache |
| 21:20.53 | JeffM | yeah tehre are many strings, that are looked up only once or twice |
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| 21:21.00 | JeffM | it's a usage thing |
| 21:21.40 | JeffM | if we didn't have the cache, then yes a hashmap would be an optimal generic solution |
| 21:21.51 | Wyk3d | how does the cache work ? |
| 21:22.01 | JeffM | the cache installs a callback |
| 21:22.15 | JeffM | when the var changes, it calls the callback, and sets a static var |
| 21:22.28 | JeffM | so that lookups are just static hits |
| 21:22.37 | JeffM | and the db is only hit when the var changes |
| 21:22.51 | JeffM | so it's actualy faster then a hash 99% of the time |
| 21:23.01 | JeffM | cus that stuff is used often per frame |
| 21:23.13 | JeffM | and for that you don't want ANY lookup |
| 21:26.04 | JeffM | could probalby optimise the callback lookup into a hashmap, but I don't think it woudl have any real world speedup |
| 21:26.18 | JeffM | the map does a binary search IIRC, so it's not too slow |
| 21:27.53 | JeffM | the only other types of lookups we do is spacial stuff IIRC, and that uses the octree |
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| 22:07.10 | whodaman- | sneeze |
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| 22:11.49 | JeffM2501 | ummm... ewww |
| 22:26.51 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03wyk3d * r18116 10/trunk/bzauthd/ (17 files in 4 dirs): |
| 22:26.51 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: * Fixed build on VC8 |
| 22:26.51 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: * Started writing the EventHandler |
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| 22:43.38 | JeffM2501 | blast007, ok I'm done with the plugin and stuff I had to write, what problems need looking at in the HTTP stuff? |
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| 22:55.15 | tj13820 | If i want to install Bzflag 2.99.x in a Virtual machine, which should i use? Shot or Internet? |
| 22:56.14 | JeffM2501 | depends what you want |
| 22:56.24 | JeffM2501 | do you want the code that would be 3.0 if it was done? |
| 22:57.13 | tj13820 | i want to be able to play on a server and try it out. |
| 22:57.13 | tj13820 | so i would assume so |
| 22:57.22 | JeffM2501 | then you simply want the trunk code |
| 22:57.26 | JeffM2501 | not a branch |
| 22:58.06 | JeffM2501 | what OS is on the VM? |
| 22:58.41 | tj13820 | svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag? |
| 22:58.43 | tj13820 | oh |
| 22:58.45 | tj13820 | debian |
| 22:58.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:58.51 | tj13820 | okay |
| 22:58.57 | JeffM2501 | should build once you get the dependecies |
| 22:59.02 | blizz_work | tj: is that linux? |
| 22:59.09 | JeffM2501 | it'll be slow cus the VM won't have GL |
| 22:59.18 | JeffM2501 | blizz_work, yes debian is a linux distrobution |
| 22:59.40 | tj13820 | Open GL? |
| 22:59.43 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:59.52 | tj13820 | if i install the proper Nvidia drivers from Proprietary it will |
| 22:59.52 | JeffM2501 | virtual machines don't do hardware acceleration |
| 22:59.55 | JeffM2501 | so it wil lbe slow |
| 22:59.57 | tj13820 | ah |
| 23:00.01 | JeffM2501 | no it dosnt' have access to the hardware |
| 23:00.04 | JeffM2501 | it's a VIRTUAL machine |
| 23:00.06 | tj13820 | i forgot |
| 23:00.08 | tj13820 | xD |
| 23:00.56 | JeffM2501 | what OS do you normaly run? |
| 23:01.46 | blizz_work | ahh wait, I could run linux off a VM. |
| 23:02.02 | JeffM2501 | blizz_work, umm yeah |
| 23:02.06 | blizz_work | have to mess with that when I get home |
| 23:02.16 | blizz_work | any good windows vm software? |
| 23:02.21 | Lukstr | VMWare |
| 23:02.22 | JeffM2501 | that's kind of the entire point of them |
| 23:02.26 | JeffM2501 | to run other OSs |
| 23:02.41 | blizz_work | well, I tried putting linux on my machine for dual boothing |
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| 23:05.09 | JeffM2501 | tj13820, what OS do you normaly run? |
| 23:05.45 | Wyk3d | about hardware acceleration on VMs http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/node/1172 |
| 23:07.07 | JeffM2501 | I don't mind doing a release build |
| 23:07.09 | JeffM2501 | it's about time |
| 23:08.19 | tj13820 | i run Vista :( |
| 23:08.24 | tj13820 | not by choice |
| 23:08.32 | tj13820 | i'm waiting for my new mac |
| 23:11.23 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 23:12.30 | tj13820 | yup :) at least the new mac is. But if you woudln't mind making a release of Win 32 for 2.99.x, that'd be pretty cool |
| 23:13.34 | JeffM2501 | I am |
| 23:13.37 | JeffM2501 | it'll just take a bit |
| 23:14.17 | tj13820 | okay :) |
| 23:14.27 | tj13820 | i'll be here for when it's done |
| 23:15.18 | Wyk3d | and for OpenGL acceleration in VMs maybe http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andreslc/xen-gl/ |
| 23:15.51 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 23:16.38 | Lukstr | VM'ing isn't really designed for graphics use :P |
| 23:17.33 | Wyk3d | you don't always use things for what they were designed for :) |
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| 23:18.38 | JeffM | supid background driver updates |
| 23:18.39 | Lukstr | Wyk3d: that often results in death ;) |
| 23:19.19 | Wyk3d | in this case, it's only .. virtual death :) |
| 23:24.21 | tj13820 | oh |
| 23:24.32 | tj13820 | and BZFlag in VM isn't that bad |
| 23:24.45 | tj13820 | when you make your own hardware emulation driver |
| 23:25.08 | tj13820 | i found a loophole :) |
| 23:26.28 | Lukstr | who on earth wants to do that though |
| 23:28.57 | Wyk3d | maybe you have a 3d graphics application that has a bug specific to another platform, and you'd like to try and reproduce it |
| 23:29.17 | Wyk3d | without needing dual boot and whatnot |
| 23:29.30 | Lukstr | sounds like a royal pita |
| 23:29.46 | Lukstr | VM can be unreliable too |
| 23:30.47 | tj13820 | nope, rebooted |
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| 23:30.54 | tj13820 | restarted the VM, and it still works fine |
| 23:30.58 | tj13820 | i'm amazed it still works |
| 23:31.08 | tj13820 | it's pretty cool |
| 23:31.15 | tj13820 | i even got Compiz Fusion to work |
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| 23:44.40 | JeffM | bahh... I don't have curses :( |
| 23:45.09 | Wyk3d | curse those curses eh :) |
| 23:46.02 | spldart | ncurse them as well |
| 23:46.09 | spldart | .... that was a double pun ;) |
| 23:46.31 | tj13820 | ncurses - devils xD |
| 23:46.41 | tj13820 | (dev)ils rather |
| 23:46.56 | JeffM | I wish we used devIL |
| 23:47.04 | JeffM | best image lib I've seen |
| 23:47.11 | tj13820 | ah |
| 23:47.14 | tj13820 | :) you got it |
| 23:47.58 | JeffM | it has a lot of dependecies tho |
| 23:48.25 | JeffM | I'd love to patch it up to use our internal png reader as a base, and have all the other libs be optional |
| 23:48.28 | spldart | mmmMMMmmm lots of dependencies = fat install footprint... |
| 23:48.29 | spldart | hehe |
| 23:48.30 | JeffM | then it'd be very usefull opn it's own |
| 23:48.55 | tj13820 | that'd be nice |
| 23:53.43 | blast007 | JeffM: I was trying to figure out why the player loop in the main.tmpl file for webadmin didn't work (it stopped the output that would have occured after that as well) |
| 23:53.56 | blast007 | I didn't have any players on the server, so that might be part of it |
| 23:58.02 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18117 10/trunk/bzflag/ (6 files in 4 dirs): fixes for working release builds |
| 23:58.13 | JeffM | hmm it's suposed to jump to the empty section |
| 23:58.17 | JeffM | did the template NOT define one? |
| 23:58.28 | JeffM | tj13820, http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.99.x/bzflag-2.99.5_07212008.exe |
| 23:58.37 | tj13820 | thank you very much |
| 23:58.45 | JeffM | it's untested |
| 23:58.59 | tj13820 | i'm about to test it :) |
| 23:59.01 | blast007 | JeffM: nope |
| 23:59.09 | tj13820 | windows has a restore function for a reason |
| 23:59.12 | blast007 | but should it kill the rest of the content on the page? |
| 23:59.20 | JeffM | tj13820, it won't hurt your machine |
| 23:59.22 | JeffM | it just may not run |
| 23:59.27 | JeffM | blast007, no |
| 23:59.28 | tj13820 | yup |
| 23:59.40 | JeffM | it should just jump to the end section, process that, and then move on |
| 23:59.56 | JeffM | webreport does that when there are no reports |
