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| 00:00.39 | spldart | Thanks for the reminder though |
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| 00:09.33 | Danji | yawns |
| 00:12.35 | spldart | Ok.. so when did that 18075 commit get made???? |
| 00:13.49 | Danji | huh? |
| 00:14.44 | Winny | spldart: about 30-60 min ago I think... |
| 00:14.52 | spldart | really? |
| 00:15.05 | Winny | not sure... time goes slow for me |
| 00:15.10 | spldart | I just did svn update and I show as already at 18075 |
| 00:15.19 | spldart | haven't up'd in many many hours though |
| 00:15.29 | bugQ | viewvc says 34 min... |
| 00:15.29 | spldart | I think cia is fubars and trying to catch up |
| 00:15.48 | spldart | goes to info the file in question |
| 00:16.17 | Winny | bugQ, hah I was close |
| 00:16.28 | KingofCamelot | If you're refering to the 18075 commit that I made, that's in a branch |
| 00:16.30 | spldart | Ah |
| 00:16.41 | spldart | Your right. I'm a dunce |
| 00:16.52 | spldart | didn't notice that it was |
| 00:16.54 | spldart | hrm |
| 00:17.06 | KingofCamelot | No worries. :) |
| 00:17.42 | spldart | Now I got it.. |
| 00:17.49 | spldart | had a shot branch handy.. |
| 00:18.36 | Danji | for map making bzedit is easier right? |
| 00:18.58 | JeffM | Danji, depends what you want to do |
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| 00:19.09 | Danji | ok thank you :) |
| 00:19.43 | spldart | Shot branch is broken right now I assume :~\ |
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| 00:20.24 | JeffM | spldart, in what way? |
| 00:21.17 | spldart | Player.cxx |
| 00:21.27 | spldart | debug build fails... Was just curious |
| 00:22.00 | JeffM | what error? |
| 00:22.37 | Constitution | there are lots of unused variables and such... if we comment them out, we may lose track of the various aspects of the branch that still need code filled in. Better to fix them. |
| 00:22.53 | spldart | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m662264a8 |
| 00:23.01 | spldart | Ah |
| 00:24.54 | JeffM | that' |
| 00:24.59 | JeffM | that's a function |
| 00:25.01 | JeffM | one that should be valid |
| 00:25.08 | Danji | could someone give me the command for gu.league? |
| 00:25.26 | JeffM | Danji, please be less vauge |
| 00:25.31 | JeffM | what command |
| 00:25.52 | Danji | nsomething like/gu.bz.league |
| 00:25.56 | Danji | n |
| 00:26.00 | JeffM | what are you trying to do? |
| 00:26.06 | JeffM | join the IRC channel? |
| 00:26.09 | Danji | nah nevermind i got it |
| 00:26.20 | JeffM | we can not read your mind |
| 00:26.23 | Danji | yes join the irc |
| 00:26.30 | Danji | nok jeff |
| 00:28.14 | Danji | -_- |
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| 00:34.13 | Danji | i need the link for actually posting the codes,anyone? |
| 00:34.31 | JeffM2501 | what codes? |
| 00:34.40 | JeffM2501 | seriously man, we can't read your mind |
| 00:34.45 | JeffM2501 | please explain what you are asking |
| 00:34.50 | Danji | for making a map |
| 00:35.16 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/w/ |
| 00:35.22 | Danji | thank you |
| 00:35.24 | JeffM2501 | I assume you are asking how to make a map in general. There is a lot of info on that wiki |
| 00:35.28 | JeffM2501 | and on the forums |
| 00:35.28 | Constitution | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZW |
| 00:35.43 | JeffM2501 | it's not hard to find once you put a slight amount of effort into it |
| 01:00.39 | brlcad | I had a long talk with him about it, I think things are better now -- part of it I think is just that it's getting tedious for him since he's not got tangible/visible progress to get excited over |
| 01:01.02 | brlcad | ~ww |
| 01:01.03 | ibot | Can I get a woot woot? |
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| 01:29.59 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18076 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/BUGS: start a list of items that need immediate fixes for shot branch |
| 01:30.21 | JeffM | belives it's time to "turn this mutha.. out!" |
| 01:31.15 | JeffM | assuming I can get over the sticky "n" key |
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| 01:40.54 | JeffM | spldart, does shot brach still not build for you? |
| 01:41.16 | spldart | Oh! Lemme try it.. heh.. take me a bit |
| 01:41.49 | spldart | that last pastebin was where I was stuck |
| 01:41.59 | JeffM | ad that is current code? |
| 01:42.02 | JeffM | it builds for me |
| 01:42.13 | spldart | Oh.. 18075 |
| 01:42.21 | spldart | maybe a problem on my end? |
| 01:42.28 | JeffM | dunno |
| 01:42.39 | spldart | checking |
| 01:44.15 | spldart | Yes. I'm still having the pastbin'd problem with line 522 and 524 of Player.cxx in a debug build |
| 01:44.23 | spldart | I can try without debug if you'd like |
| 01:44.41 | JeffM | naw a link error is still an error |
| 01:44.58 | spldart | undefined reference to 'isViewTanks(Player or something |
| 01:45.06 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r18077 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/BUGS: Fix typos |
| 01:45.16 | JeffM | thanks :) |
| 01:45.20 | spldart | heh |
| 01:45.30 | Thumper_ | there were just too many :) I couldn't leave it alone |
| 01:46.09 | spldart | Yeah.. http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m662264a8 is still where I'm at |
| 01:46.44 | spldart | grr.. s/522 and 524/522 and 542 up there a bit |
| 01:48.42 | spldart | really should stop playing avi's off his vid editing raid.. it keeps spinning down while I talk and type and then I press unpause and have to wait for the drives to spin back up ;=p |
| 01:49.06 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18078 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/src/bzflag/ (playing.cxx playing.h): make the isViewTank not be inline. |
| 01:50.40 | JeffM | try that |
| 01:50.42 | spldart | is building |
| 01:50.47 | JeffM | homes for realsies |
| 01:51.29 | a_meteorite | JeffM sounds gangsta |
| 01:51.44 | spldart | tanka gangsta |
| 01:52.01 | a_meteorite | boom boom boom, tank driveby |
| 01:53.56 | spldart | awaits jeffm's return |
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| 02:15.38 | spldart | got further down the road in the build and now ends with http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m2d993886 |
| 02:15.43 | spldart | ah crap |
| 02:16.07 | spldart | bug blazed :-( |
| 02:18.23 | JeffM | the bot should be removed from shotbranch I fear |
| 02:19.34 | spldart | In the interest of getting shot branch accurate and workable in short order? |
| 02:19.47 | JeffM | for it's entire durration |
| 02:19.56 | spldart | understood |
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| 02:20.09 | JeffM | the bot can be made to work after it's all complete |
| 02:20.58 | spldart | If bot gets lots now in shot does that mean that when shot is done that there will be alotta hooking bot back up later? Not that that would be a bad thing. |
| 02:21.07 | spldart | s/lots/lost |
| 02:21.27 | spldart | In fact.. a good thing. |
| 02:21.40 | JeffM | bzrobts is a minor part of the project |
| 02:21.46 | JeffM | and nonfunctional as is |
| 02:21.52 | spldart | true |
| 02:22.03 | JeffM | also fixing it will be easier once we know exaclty what to do from the regular cleint |
| 02:22.32 | spldart | Sounds like a great idea then. |
| 02:25.27 | brlcad | hm, bzrobots were working |
| 02:26.07 | JeffM | brlcad: ok you want to fix it in shotbranch then>? |
| 02:26.19 | spldart | :-x |
| 02:26.53 | brlcad | are they broken on just the branch or'd they break on trunk too? |
| 02:27.09 | spldart | Methinks a minimize the perhiprials and get shot towards task is a good idea |
| 02:27.14 | brlcad | i can see why branch with the changes |
| 02:27.15 | spldart | trunk does ok. |
| 02:27.28 | JeffM | yeah branch as far as I jknow |
| 02:28.09 | brlcad | they are a good test as they basically just chatter like client now -- probably some client fix was made that wasn't made to src/bzrobots (as they don't share the communication code) |
| 02:28.43 | JeffM | many many messages were changed |
| 02:28.52 | spldart | But interest of speed... |
| 02:29.22 | JeffM | if brlcad wants to fix it go for it |
| 02:29.23 | spldart | Then robots are brought up to speed with leg work in the merge later? |
| 02:29.35 | JeffM | you can disable bots with --disable_robots in the config |
| 02:29.45 | spldart | may just do that |
| 02:30.22 | spldart | woah.. is it _ or - |
| 02:34.59 | spldart | is building |
| 02:41.09 | spldart | :-( I remember when a xp 2500+ was fast |
| 02:41.37 | spldart | and now my MP 3000++ is meh :-\ |
| 02:42.12 | spldart | gotta successful build in vc8 on shotbranch debug.. linux is still building |
| 02:44.27 | spldart | deb etch http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m30cd7468 |
| 02:45.03 | spldart | although the dually reports ========== Build: 7 succeeded, 0 failed, 16 up-to-date, 0 skipped ========== |
| 02:45.48 | spldart | --disable-bzrobots ftw |
| 02:46.32 | spldart | What am I saying.. I remember when 1mhz impressed me :( |
| 02:47.33 | spldart | is non-sequitor |
| 02:48.20 | spldart | s/tor/tur |
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| 03:19.43 | spldart | ooOOoo Stargate Continuum? |
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| 03:34.21 | brlcad | yeah, looking forward to that |
| 03:34.26 | brlcad | looks like it'll be good |
| 03:34.43 | brlcad | hopefully a better conclusion than the ark one |
| 03:44.00 | PrezKennedy | how many conclusions do they need?? |
| 03:44.14 | brlcad | at least one more ;) |
| 03:44.19 | PrezKennedy | n+1 |
| 03:44.56 | brlcad | this one at least has anderson in it, so it can be a proper ending |
| 03:45.29 | PrezKennedy | yeah once he left SG-1 i lost interest |
| 03:46.10 | a_meteorite | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.32 | PrezKennedy | woot original SG movie! |
| 03:54.09 | short_circuit | :) I blame my 16 y/o... I'm hooked.. getting the atlantis seasons now. |
| 03:54.32 | PrezKennedy | little late to the game there :P |
| 03:56.53 | short_circuit | I was all Meh... whateva.. can't be as good as the movie for years. |
| 03:57.19 | short_circuit | Finished all 10 seasons of sg1 a month ago |
| 03:57.28 | short_circuit | 1 or 2 movies too |
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| 04:13.57 | pacman87 | any linux gurus know why bzflag freezes for a tenth of a second every second or so? |
| 04:14.10 | Think_Differentl | bad drivers? |
| 04:14.19 | pacman87 | i'm using nvidia's binary |
| 04:14.25 | Think_Differentl | compiz on? |
| 04:14.27 | pacman87 | no |
| 04:14.46 | pacman87 | my card's a pci 6200 |
| 04:14.53 | pacman87 | runs fine in winXP |
| 04:15.13 | Think_Differentl | how about other linux games? |
| 04:15.24 | pacman87 | what other linux games? |
| 04:16.16 | Think_Differentl | do they run without your problem? |
| 04:16.18 | pacman87 | hmm, glxgears has the same problem |
| 04:16.47 | pacman87 | ~240 fps, but stutters |
| 04:16.50 | Think_Differentl | i was thinking that PCI might be a slowdown...but i don't think it would affect it that much |
| 04:17.23 | pacman87 | p4, 2.8ghz, 533mhz fsb, 1280 mb ddr pc2700 ram |
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| 04:42.49 | short_circuit | I've got similar gear in many respects.. r u sure you don't have a process that is surging periodically? |
| 04:43.55 | pacman87 | occasionally, yes, but nothing that corresponds to the frequency of of the pauses |
| 04:44.11 | pacman87 | i am running three monitors, though |
| 04:44.21 | pacman87 | 2x nvidia card, 1x intel 845 |
| 04:45.21 | short_circuit | Very odd.. I'm running debian on 2 rigs with the nvidia binaries and no problem at all |
| 04:45.41 | short_circuit | one is 5200 fx and one is 6200 la |
| 04:45.44 | short_circuit | err le |
| 04:46.06 | pacman87 | i'm running slackware 12 |
| 04:46.33 | short_circuit | kernel 2.6.18 on one here and 2.6.24 home brew on the other |
| 04:46.47 | pacman87 | 2.6.21 |
| 04:47.28 | short_circuit | Don't know what to say.. sounds like a problem to be found in top. |
| 04:47.42 | short_circuit | :( |
| 04:48.03 | pacman87 | i'm planning on installign slack 12.1 at the end of summer |
| 04:48.12 | pacman87 | after i finish my gsoc stuff |
| 04:49.33 | pacman87 | is there a way top pipe top to a log? |
| 04:49.42 | short_circuit | heh |
| 04:49.53 | short_circuit | I've tried but it snapshots and that's it |
| 04:50.03 | short_circuit | it's not like you get a rolling log |
| 04:51.04 | pacman87 | i switched the refresh to .1, and see 50%+ on some processes |
| 04:52.11 | short_circuit | Just outta curiousity... and I know it's a pita... but have you tried a diff res or refresh? |
| 04:52.21 | pacman87 | lcd monitor |
| 04:52.26 | pacman87 | i'm using twinview |
| 04:52.28 | short_circuit | hrm |
| 04:52.34 | short_circuit | OH |
| 04:52.37 | pacman87 | and i usually play window |
| 04:52.46 | pacman87 | is twinview the problem? |
| 04:52.51 | short_circuit | Has it worked before in twinview? |
| 04:52.57 | short_circuit | yeah.. I was thinking that |
| 04:53.02 | pacman87 | hmmm, dont' remember |
| 04:53.20 | pacman87 | unfortunately, xinerama doesnt work with intel |
| 04:53.43 | short_circuit | I get 'issues' in dual monitor in linux sometimes when using 3d accell |
| 04:53.47 | pacman87 | so i use twinview for two, and the intel monitor is its own x session |
| 04:54.03 | pacman87 | i'll have to try without twin |
| 04:54.04 | short_circuit | Not exactly the same situation though |
| 04:54.14 | short_circuit | worth a try but meh.. not sure |
| 04:54.35 | short_circuit | what is the reported fps anywho? |
| 04:55.42 | pacman87 | fullscreen across twinview: 10ish |
| 04:55.47 | pacman87 | window 60 |
| 04:56.05 | short_circuit | dead locked into 60? no up or down right? |
| 04:56.06 | pacman87 | 66, 69 |
| 04:56.09 | short_circuit | Oh |
| 04:56.12 | short_circuit | n/m then |
| 04:56.26 | pacman87 | 80 for a sec there |
| 04:56.47 | short_circuit | Yeah.. n/m I had a train of thought that the 60+ blows that outta the water |
| 04:56.59 | pacman87 | small window though |
| 04:57.04 | pacman87 | probably 640x480 |
| 04:57.17 | short_circuit | sounds default |
| 04:58.12 | pacman87 | ~30 fps @ 1024x768ish |
| 04:58.13 | short_circuit | I'd eliminate twinview real quick if I were you. But that's just obvious troublshootin diagnosis. |
| 04:58.49 | short_circuit | heh.. I got a feeling I will have my hands fool of monitor issues tomorrow ;-p |
| 04:59.00 | pacman87 | fool? |
| 04:59.11 | short_circuit | s/fool/full |
| 04:59.15 | short_circuit | is a fool |
| 04:59.17 | short_circuit | hehe |
| 04:59.31 | short_circuit | or jester @ the least |
| 04:59.53 | short_circuit | sry I couldn't help more |
| 05:00.03 | short_circuit | PING: everyone else that can help. |
| 05:00.11 | pacman87 | lol |
| 05:00.47 | pacman87 | restarting X, brb |
| 05:01.17 | short_circuit | passes out :- |
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| 05:06.36 | pacman87 | well, i think that worked |
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| 16:46.51 | Wyk3d | retrieving your password is a desired feature so they need to be stored in clear text right ? |
| 16:47.10 | Winny | I believe cleartext is bad |
| 16:47.19 | Wyk3d | i believe so too |
| 16:47.22 | Winny | you can get your password back on the forum by clicking "forgot my password" |
| 16:47.25 | JeffM | we don't have to retreive them |
| 16:47.32 | JeffM | but simply allow them to reset them from an e-mail system |
| 16:47.43 | Wyk3d | ok .. md5 it is then |
| 16:47.46 | JeffM | suc has the "click this link and submit a new password" |
| 16:47.55 | JeffM | to me that is much more secure |
| 16:48.03 | Wyk3d | definitely |
| 16:48.07 | Winny | my password got stolen by someone 'cause of the cleartext |
| 16:48.21 | JeffM | as long as there is SOME way to reset your password if you forget it |
| 16:48.24 | whodaman- | Is it possible to have the "red shots" on radar be something like, orange? |
| 16:48.35 | JeffM | whodaman-, sure, change the color |
| 16:48.46 | whodaman- | erm, where exactly? |
| 16:49.04 | JeffM | it may get it from bzdb |
| 16:49.39 | whodaman- | there was something in the config about it, but that only turned them white |
| 16:50.15 | JeffM | what did you set it to in the config? |
| 16:50.58 | JeffM | Constitution, when you can I'd like to work out with you a list of all the known issues you have with shot branch. |
| 16:51.09 | whodaman- | JeffM, set redradar 0.65 |
| 16:51.10 | whodaman- | IIRC |
| 16:51.22 | JeffM | that is a single value |
| 16:51.27 | JeffM | that won't be a color |
| 16:51.43 | JeffM | you need at least 3 components |
| 16:52.15 | Constitution | JeffM: okay, later today if possible... I'm dealing with some issues at work |
| 16:52.15 | JeffM | or have it be a color name |
| 16:52.18 | JeffM | like "orange |
| 16:52.38 | JeffM | Constitution, no rush. just figured we should get on it |
| 16:53.30 | whodaman- | JeffM, eh..ok |
| 16:56.40 | JeffM | Constitution, we've slacked of on giving you the help and support you need, so now it's time for all of us to buck up |
| 16:57.07 | JeffM | whodaman-, set it to "orange1" |
| 16:57.28 | whodaman- | JeffM, gotta cook, I'll mess with it in a sec. sry |
| 16:57.37 | JeffM | no biggie |
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| 18:05.08 | CBG | whodaman-: "set <colour>radar r.rr g.gg b.bb a.aa" sets the radar colours for tanks and possible bases and flags. As I remember, the shot colours can't be changed. Their either the standard colours or all white (chose between those 2 options in the gui settings somewhere). |
| 18:05.23 | CBG | Wow... The crazy stuff you remember after 2-3 years. |
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| 18:20.01 | Paul_PL | hi all |
| 18:21.48 | JeffM | hi |
| 18:26.21 | whodaman- | CBG, Jeff was saying something else though? |
| 18:26.53 | JeffM | whodaman-, no |
| 18:26.55 | CBG | Jeff was saying that even if "set redradar 0.65" had something to do with it, you would need at least 2 more values. |
| 18:27.06 | JeffM | I was just telling you how that was parsed, not how it was used. |
| 18:27.20 | JeffM | it may not be used for shots as cbg says |
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| 20:40.18 | Constitution | JeffM: I'm available to talk whenever you are |
| 20:40.32 | JeffM | ok |
| 20:40.34 | JeffM | now is fine |
| 20:40.45 | JeffM | so what things do you know that don't work? |
| 20:43.21 | Constitution | 1) something is skewed up with the clock, such that the time returned by (float)TimeKeeper::getCurrent().getSeconds() isn't correct |
| 20:43.44 | Constitution | and that causes the expiration time for shots to be way off in the future, so the slots fill up and you can't shoot |
| 20:43.57 | JeffM | on the server or client? |
| 20:43.58 | JeffM | or both? |
| 20:44.00 | Constitution | server |
| 20:44.04 | JeffM | k |
| 20:44.18 | Erroneous | timekeeper should be accurate during a given loop |
| 20:44.22 | JeffM | I'll anoy Erroneous untill I can get him to look at it |
| 20:44.23 | JeffM | see ;) |
| 20:44.37 | Constitution | heh |
| 20:45.11 | Erroneous | unless you're doing something before the update |
| 20:45.11 | JeffM | all the shot stuff is/should be after the update |
| 20:45.28 | Constitution | I have breakpoints and stuff set up for that... I'll get some data in a pastebin so you can see what I mean |
| 20:45.48 | Constitution | although the problem isn't very reproduceable |
| 20:45.54 | Erroneous | breakpoints can break the clock, be careful with that |
| 20:46.09 | JeffM | Erroneous, perhaps you could take a look over the clock code on the server? |
| 20:46.36 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18082 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/BUGS: note clock problems. |
| 20:47.04 | JeffM | I'd like us all to work on getting these bugs fixed in shot branch so that more can be done with actual shot tracking on the server |
| 20:47.38 | Constitution | okay... |
| 20:47.43 | Erroneous | the clock does depend on being updated at least once every twenty seconds or so, so if you break for longer than that it can get thrown off |
| 20:47.45 | JeffM | I can take a look at the DR problem of why shots arn't spawning correctly |
| 20:48.15 | Constitution | Erroneous: I just have some breakpoint commands set in gdb... it should continue almost instantly |
| 20:48.29 | Erroneous | k |
| 20:49.12 | Constitution | yeah, 2) something is wrong with the DR... there is a visible shift of shots when MsgShotBegin comes back from the server |
| 20:49.30 | JeffM | ok, I've got that in the list |
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| 20:50.39 | Constitution | one of the big problems with that is that the DR logic just moves the shots along the tank's trajectory according to the time difference, without accounting for the curve in a tank's turn and other factors |
| 20:51.07 | JeffM | yeah that's what I figured the core problem is |
| 20:51.13 | JeffM | our basic DR isn't good enough |
| 20:51.32 | JeffM | that's going to cause problems not just in shots, but in server side tracking, and collisions and it all |
| 20:51.45 | JeffM | the DR has to be as close as possible to real tank motion |
| 20:52.11 | JeffM | it needs to take spin and gravity into account |
| 20:52.23 | Constitution | right |
| 20:52.46 | JeffM | cus with out a good server state, there is no way you can compute a server side shot state, and collide it with server side players for your project |
| 20:53.35 | Constitution | is the whole idea of this branch that we don't trust what the player tells us about when and where a shot was fired? |
| 20:53.44 | JeffM | basicly |
| 20:53.49 | Constitution | k |
| 20:54.06 | JeffM | it was to get a clean state so that we could compute the shot paths on the server |
| 20:54.13 | JeffM | so that you could do your part |
| 20:54.24 | JeffM | it had 2 goals |
| 20:54.42 | JeffM | 1) get that clean state for shots, and make the clients use them so that everyone has the same shot states |
| 20:54.48 | JeffM | and 2) remove the shot/slot limit |
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| 20:55.01 | JeffM | #1 is the most important to you |
| 20:55.07 | JeffM | and sadly the most broken in the branch |
| 20:55.18 | JeffM | #2 is working prety well I think |
| 20:55.46 | Erroneous | was surprised that it worked as well as it did |
| 20:55.55 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:56.10 | JeffM | the reason I wanted you to use the branch was because no mater what, you'd need #1 to do your collisions |
| 20:56.15 | JeffM | and this had at least part of it done |
| 20:56.22 | JeffM | rather then you doing it all over from scratch |
| 20:56.38 | Constitution | I see |
| 20:57.41 | JeffM | it's just been a lot harder then I expected, and we haven't given you the support you needed |
| 20:59.54 | Constitution | I also didn't really know about what this branch was about until I studied the code... I initially thought that my server-side shot state would basically be the same as what's in the client |
| 20:59.55 | JeffM | so that's why I want to get as many devs as possible working on it |
| 21:00.11 | Constitution | right... might as well do it correctly the first time, like you said |
| 21:00.22 | JeffM | well the server dosnt' have a client state |
| 21:00.26 | JeffM | so how were you going to get it? |
| 21:02.29 | Constitution | have the client send the shot begin message (like it does in trunk as I understand it), and have the server nab that, compute the shot strategy like the client does, and update shot positions per loop |
| 21:02.53 | JeffM | so an untrusted state |
| 21:03.00 | Constitution | right |
| 21:03.09 | Constitution | that doesn't really matter... just an explanation of what I was thinking |
| 21:03.18 | JeffM | how long do you think it would take you to implment that in trunk? |
| 21:03.36 | JeffM | cus we can split this work of |
| 21:04.06 | JeffM | I can get the shot branch working while you do the server side shot strat in another trunk branch ( code you haven't goten to yet in the shot branch) |
| 21:04.30 | Constitution | 2 weeks, I would guess |
| 21:04.31 | JeffM | then when shotbranch is good, we can move your shot tracking over into the shot branch and just have the input come from another source |
| 21:04.33 | JeffM | the DR |
| 21:04.38 | Constitution | hm |
| 21:04.41 | JeffM | do you want to start doing that now on another branch |
| 21:04.46 | JeffM | then you'd be getting further on your projet |
| 21:05.11 | JeffM | and if you make the serve side API to the shots clean enough the inital input can come from anywhere |
| 21:05.30 | JeffM | basicly we paralellise the work |
| 21:05.49 | JeffM | you do the shot start stuff, that is needed in the branch but using the good info from trunk |
| 21:06.02 | JeffM | strat not start :) |
| 21:06.21 | Constitution | I don't care so much about sticking literally to my project as I do about having a clear understanding of expectations and a good idea of what I'm supposed to be doing |
| 21:06.41 | JeffM | well I think you are wasted on fixing my bugs :) |
| 21:06.47 | Constitution | that was my main problem... I thought I was supposed to be doing A, and felt like I was working on B |
| 21:06.49 | JeffM | and computing a server side shot strat IS great work |
| 21:06.50 | Constitution | hehe |
| 21:07.24 | Constitution | hmmm ok |
| 21:07.30 | JeffM | I mean If I fixed ALL the bugs in the shot branch today, that sever side strat stuff would be the very next thing you went to do right? |
| 21:07.41 | Constitution | yes |
| 21:07.45 | JeffM | so here's what I'd do |
| 21:07.58 | JeffM | take the shot list class I have in the shot branch |
| 21:08.08 | JeffM | move that into a new branch from trunk |
| 21:08.18 | JeffM | fill in it's shots from the current shot begin message |
| 21:08.27 | JeffM | build up an ID from the shot slot and player ID |
| 21:08.33 | JeffM | it'll be unique enough |
| 21:08.39 | JeffM | that should be easy work |
| 21:08.53 | Constitution | ok |
| 21:09.03 | JeffM | then move over the strat computations from the client and put them into that shot manager class |
| 21:09.42 | JeffM | does that sound like an acceptable plan for you? |
| 21:09.55 | Constitution | sure |
| 21:09.56 | JeffM | cus then once I have the shot branch working, the interface to the shots will be the same |
| 21:10.06 | JeffM | and you'd be able to get on to more exciting stuff :) |
| 21:10.23 | Constitution | talk a little more about this "server side API to the shots" that you said would be helpful |
| 21:10.33 | JeffM | that's the shot manager class |
| 21:10.47 | JeffM | it is the big list of shots you'd update each loop |
| 21:11.01 | JeffM | as long as you keep that interface basicly the same as it is now, then I can hook into it |
| 21:11.13 | Constitution | ok |
| 21:11.14 | JeffM | finds an example |
| 21:12.13 | JeffM | Yeah ShotManager.h |
| 21:12.31 | JeffM | it has the "newShot" methood andupate stuff |
| 21:12.41 | JeffM | it takes a firing info |
| 21:12.51 | JeffM | you get one of those from MSgShotBegin in trunk |
| 21:12.59 | JeffM | so in that class you can do all your updates |
| 21:13.17 | JeffM | if you move it over to the trunk code, and just take the good FiringInfo |
| 21:13.29 | JeffM | cus after that inital newShot, it'll all be your own code |
| 21:13.56 | JeffM | and then I can fix the shot branch to be able to build up a Coorect FiringInfo |
| 21:14.10 | Constitution | ok, got it |
| 21:14.13 | JeffM | then the interface to whatever you write will be the same and reusable |
| 21:14.15 | JeffM | :) |
| 21:14.29 | Constitution | yeah |
| 21:14.42 | JeffM | ok, sounds like we have a plan then :) |
| 21:14.48 | Constitution | yep :) |
| 21:15.42 | Constitution | also, as far as bugs in the shot branch, 3) death does not work. it seems that the client sends MsgHit to the server and the server doesn't know what to do with it and/or the client doesn't know what to do when the server responds |
| 21:16.40 | Constitution | I think I made the HitHandler server code return right away so I could do my testing, so that will have to be removed |
| 21:20.47 | Constitution | feels a tremendous relief as a burden is lifted from his shoulders ;) |
| 21:25.06 | brlcad | jumps onto Constitution's shoulders and hangs on |
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| 21:25.38 | Constitution | hehe |
| 21:25.55 | JeffM | yeah I never wanted the shot branch to be a burden I was just hoping it would do part of the work for you and I was wrong |
| 21:25.59 | JeffM | that's my fault not yours |
| 21:28.30 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18084 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/BUGS: note that death does not exist in the shot branch, all are immortal. Praise Orcus |
| 21:29.17 | JeffM | Constitution, the ShotManager should be just 2 files to move over. I don't think it uses anything else |
| 21:30.22 | Constitution | ok |
| 21:31.27 | JeffM | if it's too hard and you want to make your own then that's fine, it's not much code. I'd just like a method to add a shot with a firing info and I'll be fine |
| 21:36.33 | JeffM | hmm it uses shot update, but that's just to get the firing info |
| 21:36.46 | JeffM | so you may just have to change that file to point to whereever firing info is on the server |
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| 21:39.16 | JeffM | but the rest is just common stuff |
| 21:40.03 | JeffM | you'll be basicly replacing the guts of update shot and the other bad logic in the cxx file |
| 21:41.28 | Constitution | guess the ShotManager.h/.cxx in trunk are similar to the ones in the shot branch |
| 21:41.51 | JeffM | really? |
| 21:41.56 | JeffM | well damn |
| 21:41.59 | Constitution | kinda |
| 21:42.00 | JeffM | ;) |
| 21:42.05 | Constitution | heh |
| 21:42.09 | JeffM | is the interface the same? |
| 21:42.12 | JeffM | or very close? |
| 21:42.20 | Constitution | close |
| 21:42.24 | JeffM | then just use that |
| 21:42.27 | JeffM | I'll adapt |
| 21:43.12 | JeffM | for the shot branch I'll bull out the server endshots for everything, cus I can't do those untill your work is done on computing the strategy on the server |
| 21:43.31 | Constitution | right |
| 21:43.59 | JeffM | a good test for your stuff will be to see if your computed endshots match up with the client computed endshots |
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| 22:55.10 | spldart | Instant love |
| 22:55.17 | spldart | Just like the projector |
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| 23:55.55 | Flash | I wonder if the time problems are related to precision? |
| 23:56.49 | Flash | there are a number of places in the code where (float)TimeKeeper::getCurrent().getSeconds() is used |
| 23:57.04 | Flash | but the current seconds should overflow the precision of a float |