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| 03:12.55 | Lukstr | thrashes into existance |
| 03:24.10 | spldart | ducks |
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| 03:35.38 | Lukstr | I hear it's a holiday in the states or something? |
| 03:36.04 | Viza | independence day |
| 03:38.46 | Lukstr | right well sure |
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| 03:38.53 | Lukstr | you all missed out on the awesomest of holidays tuesday |
| 03:38.54 | Lukstr | so there |
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| 03:41.16 | spldart | rollseyes |
| 03:41.23 | Lukstr | :P |
| 03:41.27 | Lukstr | ours was first! |
| 03:41.28 | Lukstr | ducks |
| 03:41.34 | Lukstr | and we're massier than you |
| 03:41.36 | Lukstr | ducks again |
| 03:42.05 | spldart | SW's the room |
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| 04:17.05 | spldart | Sparkler bomb videos ftw |
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| 04:23.21 | Lukstr | explodes with excitednessity |
| 04:23.25 | Lukstr | yes, words that don't exist! |
| 04:23.34 | Lukstr | Asus EEE PC 901 just came out for preorder, woo |
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| 04:52.42 | Viza | Lukstr, how is it to type on those tiny things? |
| 04:53.11 | Lukstr | guess I'll find out when it gets here |
| 04:53.16 | Viza | lol |
| 04:53.34 | Lukstr | I've dealt with worse keyboards, that much I can guarantee myself |
| 05:09.34 | L4m3r | I almost bought my sister an eeepc for her graduation, but I found a "standard" laptop for the same price with decent specs |
| 05:12.46 | Lukstr | it's all about portability and battery life for me |
| 05:19.43 | L4m3r | yeah, she's not the type to take her laptop out a whole lot |
| 05:20.03 | Lukstr | 9 to 5, 5 days a week, 10 different class rooms for me |
| 05:20.04 | Lukstr | :P |
| 05:22.16 | Viza | jeez, i'd get an eee pc too if i were you |
| 05:23.29 | L4m3r | it would have been nice to have an eepc on the train to and from San Jose |
| 05:24.04 | L4m3r | they are very stingy about outlets in coach class. I made some friends on the way up thanks to my powersquid and extension cord in the lounge car ;) |
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| 07:02.08 | Lukstr | man, too tired. Commit storm tomorrow. |
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| 13:02.38 | ShadowSpectre | What is the signifigance of a player's ip address being in the 127.xxx.xxx.xxx range? |
| 13:02.55 | ShadowSpectre | namely 127.57.5.85 |
| 13:03.26 | ShadowSpectre | does it automatically mean a proxy, or is it something else? |
| 13:18.22 | F687s | From what I've read, all addresses between 127.0.0.0 and 127.255.255.255 are loopback addresses. |
| 13:32.33 | ShadowSpectre | but what is a loopback address in application to BzFlag? |
| 13:32.54 | ShadowSpectre | I've understood them to be nonn hardware 'placeholders' |
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| 13:35.59 | F687s | Where are you getting that IP address? Is it from a non-localhost player? |
| 13:38.01 | ShadowSpectre | I got that IP straight from the Castle Warfare server |
| 13:38.11 | ShadowSpectre | from the /playerlist |
| 13:39.16 | ShadowSpectre | Associated historical IP's are from a player from NZ but this one was odd.... I'm thinking it's a proxy |
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| 13:40.02 | ShadowSpectre | this person is a miscreant and I've been hostbanning but somehow has circumvented |
| 13:40.36 | F687s | (Oh, great...) |
| 13:41.09 | mujtaba | I was wondering... I had a source tarball here, and I want to build it using MingW in MSYS, I get this error : checking for socklen_t type... checking for socklen_t equivalent... configure: error: Cannot find a type to use in place of socklen_t |
| 13:41.11 | mujtaba | :S |
| 13:41.28 | mujtaba | This is what I get when I try to do ./configure |
| 13:45.25 | catay | don't paste it here , use pastbin ;) |
| 13:45.34 | catay | ~pastebin |
| 13:45.34 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 13:46.51 | mujtaba | Ok ^^ |
| 13:48.19 | catay | on what OS are you trying to build it? |
| 13:48.20 | catay | windows? |
| 13:48.57 | mujtaba | Yes, On Windows and Using MingW |
| 13:49.20 | Winny | I'd use MSVC if I were you |
| 13:50.54 | catay | I got no experience with building on windows :( |
| 13:51.45 | catay | mujtaba: did you read the README.MINGW32 & README.XMINGW files? |
| 13:52.34 | mujtaba | I read the README.MINGW32 one |
| 13:53.26 | catay | what kinda source tarball you downloaded? |
| 13:55.34 | mujtaba | It is a rather old BZFlag tarball which it's BZRobots package works. |
| 13:56.27 | mujtaba | It was called bzflag470.tar |
| 13:57.37 | catay | maybe try the 2.0.12 tarball and see if that works |
| 13:58.15 | mujtaba | Dunno... |
| 13:58.37 | catay | http://downloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.12.tar.gz?download |
| 14:02.26 | mujtaba | catay: Thanks I will see what I can do :D |
| 14:02.46 | spldart | man... It's really hard to set up mingw for a windows build. I stopped messing with it along time ago.. VC8 for win and the usual gnu tools for linux for me |
| 14:02.59 | spldart | windows build of bzflag that is |
| 14:03.45 | mujtaba | I see. |
| 14:05.26 | spldart | It's hard to get the dependencies and links all in place |
| 14:08.10 | catay | mujtaba: np, try VC maybe, you can download a free edition somewhere |
| 14:09.33 | mujtaba | Now I get this error : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'sys/param.h': No such file or directory |
| 14:09.36 | mujtaba | :S :S |
| 14:21.17 | spldart | Beer?>! @ this hour?! |
| 14:21.21 | spldart | ;-P |
| 14:22.53 | Wyk3d | nothing wrong with cooling off in a hot summer afternoon :) |
| 14:23.38 | blast007 | mujtaba: you're trying to build trunk (2.1.x or 2.99.x) or 2.0.x? |
| 14:23.50 | mujtaba | No |
| 14:23.56 | mujtaba | Not right now |
| 14:24.23 | blast007 | well, which one *were* you trying to build? |
| 14:24.37 | mujtaba | The problem is, that when my friend built BZFlag for the BZRobots, he would get sigfaults |
| 14:24.52 | mujtaba | We poked around to find a tarball which it's BZRobots thing works. |
| 14:24.58 | mujtaba | We found this |
| 14:25.10 | mujtaba | http://students.cs.byu.edu/~cs470ta/goodrich/fall2007/labs/lab1/lab1.html |
| 14:25.24 | blast007 | guess it depends which BZRobots... there might be more than one |
| 14:25.42 | blast007 | we have a BZRobots project that's partially done in our official SVN |
| 14:26.22 | blast007 | but only builds on *nix iirc |
| 14:27.53 | mujtaba | :S |
| 14:27.57 | mujtaba | I see, thanks. |
| 14:28.37 | blast007 | I'm not sure about the one you linked to |
| 14:29.16 | blast007 | but anyway, our primary build environment on Windows is Visual C++ 2003 for the 2.0.x code, and Visual C++ 2005 for the 2.99.x code (which will become 3.0.0) |
| 14:29.35 | blast007 | though 2005 should work for the 2.0.x stuff as well |
| 14:29.45 | blast007 | including the free express versions |
| 14:29.47 | Winny | works with 2008 too |
| 14:30.11 | blast007 | there is the requirements of a specific version of the DirectX SDK (or a limit as to how new) since they changed something |
| 14:30.20 | blast007 | think it was the name of one of their libs |
| 14:31.01 | spldart | I thought it was an I/O difference.. Joystick or other input... Man.. I must be smoking to much crack again |
| 14:31.14 | blast007 | probably |
| 14:31.27 | blast007 | something like dinput.lib vs dinput8.lib |
| 14:31.47 | spldart | ah |
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| 14:45.29 | mujtaba | I see. |
| 14:45.37 | mujtaba | Thanks for the info guys ^^ |
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| 14:53.42 | blast007 | for justice! |
| 14:54.51 | Foo_man_choo | is in a silly mood |
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| 17:05.36 | Epyon | is completely lost in designing O.o |
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| 18:38.47 | Foo_man_choo | must find trouble to get into |
| 18:39.43 | Foo_man_choo | ooOOoo storms are coming |
| 18:40.00 | Epyon | O.o |
| 18:40.32 | Foo_man_choo | -_- |
| 18:41.07 | Epyon | kills CIA-35 |
| 18:41.07 | CIA-35 | dies |
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| 18:42.17 | Foo_man_choo | resurrects CIA-35 |
| 18:42.29 | Foo_man_choo | ME = PWNT |
| 18:43.18 | Foo_man_choo | Ooop... power flashed |
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| 18:49.10 | Epyon | 'd love to use boost::foreach, but he probably'd be killed for that here ^_^ |
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| 20:25.34 | Epyon | Buahahaha, ph33r me, revision 18000 is mine xD |
| 20:25.39 | spldart | What is cia's issue anywho? |
| 20:25.46 | spldart | LOL |
| 20:25.53 | spldart | I was just goin through the latest commits :-p |
| 20:26.02 | spldart | take 18000 |
| 20:26.44 | Wyk3d1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interesting_number_paradox |
| 20:26.44 | spldart | I know you want it |
| 20:27.17 | spldart | hehehe |
| 20:28.09 | Wyk3d1 | 18000 isn't more interesting than 17999 .. the proof is there .. |
| 20:28.28 | Lukstr | prime numbers > all |
| 20:28.31 | spldart | there you go 18000 |
| 20:31.02 | Wyk3d1 | rev 18001 is MINE!!!1111oneone |
| 20:32.15 | spldart | 1 is the loneliest number that you ever saw |
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| 20:51.21 | bugQ | lukstr: well I suppose you're right, in that for all positive integers, there is a prime that is greater |
| 20:55.32 | delusional_ | There is no Optimus Prime!?!? I'm devastated. |
| 20:55.55 | spldart | lolz |
| 20:56.08 | spldart | Omega Supreme pwnz Optimus |
| 20:59.15 | delusional_ | Q: Do I need to implement the No-Puppy-Guard-Zone? |
| 21:09.52 | spldart | OMG LOLz "Your hostages, We're captors. There's a whole school of etiquette to this" LMAO |
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| 21:24.23 | BulletCatcher | JeffM: At http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d509d144c you can see what I have come up with to eliminate the "noWalls" BZDB variable. |
| 21:24.24 | BulletCatcher | I am not sure that replacing it with a global "createWalls" variable is a whole lot better, but I couldn't find a suitable class to put it in. Suggestions? |
| 21:24.43 | JeffM | world |
| 21:24.53 | JeffM | it should go with the world |
| 21:27.40 | BulletCatcher | CustomWorld::read() is the place where the variable would be modified. I am not sure how to get a reference to the world in that context. |
| 21:28.09 | JeffM | where are the other world params stored? |
| 21:28.40 | BulletCatcher | For example, flagHeight is stored in BZDB. :-) |
| 21:28.53 | JeffM | yeah, what else is in the world object? |
| 21:29.20 | JeffM | is there anything else that is non dynamic? |
| 21:29.29 | BulletCatcher | waterLevel, maxFlags |
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| 21:29.42 | JeffM | they vars too? |
| 21:29.44 | Paul_PL | hello all |
| 21:29.50 | JeffM | hello |
| 21:30.09 | BulletCatcher | They are not set in the "world" section of a .bzw file. |
| 21:30.35 | JeffM | I'd have to look at it I know there is static statate stuff |
| 21:30.39 | JeffM | I'm not at home |
| 21:30.42 | BulletCatcher | k |
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| 21:33.44 | a_meteorite | spldart: watching SG-1? |
| 21:34.17 | whodaman- | ~a_meteorite++ |
| 21:34.23 | BulletCatcher | CustomWorld::read() needs a place to store the information it finds in the bzw world section. Currently, that is BZDB. If we want to stop using BZDB then we need to pick another location, but I don't have a good idea where that would be. |
| 21:34.45 | a_meteorite | woo :) |
| 21:34.48 | a_meteorite | ~karma a_meteorite |
| 21:34.48 | ibot | a_meteorite has karma of 1 |
| 21:34.53 | whodaman- | hah |
| 21:34.57 | a_meteorite | hey... |
| 21:35.01 | a_meteorite | it used to be like 20+ |
| 21:35.29 | a_meteorite | Gabe_G23_: can we possibly help you with something? |
| 21:35.31 | whodaman- | a_meteorite, ye, Tim's bot failed somehow |
| 21:35.31 | whodaman- | ~karma |
| 21:35.31 | ibot | whodaman- has karma of 14 |
| 21:35.38 | whodaman- | see? |
| 21:35.40 | a_meteorite | hmm |
| 21:35.48 | a_meteorite | that's very uncool |
| 21:35.51 | Gabe_G23_ | a_meteorite: No, sorry. |
| 21:35.57 | Epyon | ~karma |
| 21:35.57 | ibot | epyon has karma of 68 |
| 21:36.07 | a_meteorite | Epyon: spread the karma around! |
| 21:36.08 | Gabe_G23 | Last time, sorry |
| 21:36.24 | Epyon | ~a_meteorite++ |
| 21:36.26 | Epyon | :P |
| 21:36.39 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 21:42.06 | spldart | Yes.. I'm watching season 10 of SG1 |
| 21:42.39 | spldart | Just started episode 17 |
| 21:43.25 | spldart | Karma randomly get's lost btw |
| 21:43.30 | spldart | I lost a bunch too :) |
| 21:43.39 | spldart | ~karma spldart |
| 21:43.39 | ibot | spldart has karma of 8 |
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| 21:44.42 | spldart | and now Wyk3d1 dissappears |
| 21:44.45 | spldart | :-D |
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| 21:52.55 | JeffM__ | svn... update....slow...... |
| 21:54.41 | Wyk3d | spldart: seems the little bugger is persistent :) |
| 21:56.23 | JeffM__ | BulletCatcher, hmmm seems most of the world settins are command line options |
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| 21:57.26 | JeffM__ | but there is a worldinfo class you can stick itin |
| 21:59.25 | JeffM__ | the world info object is passed into the read steream function so it should be accessable by the parser, since all the other objects get added to it |
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| 22:00.00 | spldart | Wyk3d: Indeed |
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| 22:04.36 | tj13820 | does anyone know of a BZFlag wordpress theme? |
| 22:05.24 | SpazzyMcGee | tj13820: It's unlikely there's one that's available for free use. |
| 22:05.49 | SpazzyMcGee | Obviously people have made their own. |
| 22:12.53 | a_meteorite | spldart: figured, I remember the hostage episode. funny and mirrors our society pretty well! :) |
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| 22:19.50 | jftsang | why is it that a logger on bzadmin running on the same computer as bzfs has 8000ms of lag |
| 22:20.08 | jftsang | but other people only have 50ms |
| 22:22.00 | Manu | don't worry about the bzadmin lag |
| 22:22.07 | Manu | it isn't true |
| 22:22.20 | JeffM | it dosn't handle the pings correctly |
| 22:22.32 | jftsang | ok |
| 22:23.12 | Winny | JeffM, was that done on purpose? |
| 22:23.16 | Winny | I've always wondered |
| 22:23.20 | JeffM | pfff no |
| 22:23.23 | Manu | it's a side effect ;) |
| 22:23.27 | JeffM | bzadmin is somewhat of a hack ;) |
| 22:23.31 | Winny | oh |
| 22:23.35 | JeffM | take client, rip out stuff |
| 22:23.37 | JeffM | pray |
| 22:23.43 | Manu | since some stuff was removed for observers time ago ;) |
| 22:24.02 | JeffM | also people tend to change the client and forget the admin |
| 22:24.41 | Manu | there are more players than admins :) |
| 22:24.41 | JeffM | so it's not suprising that bzadmin gets busted all the time |
| 22:24.42 | bugQ | what unit of duration is used with bz_IPBanUser? |
| 22:25.26 | bugQ | and does 0 mean indefinite ban? |
| 22:25.27 | JeffM | probably min. |
| 22:25.33 | JeffM | yes |
| 22:27.06 | spldart | Umm |
| 22:27.18 | spldart | bzadmin has actual severe lag |
| 22:27.27 | JeffM | it may |
| 22:27.32 | spldart | I've compared client and bzadmin side by side and it's severe |
| 22:27.33 | JeffM | it dosn't respond to udp stuff |
| 22:27.37 | JeffM | so it dosn't matter |
| 22:27.49 | JeffM | IIRC it's also not pumped, but polled |
| 22:27.49 | spldart | What's on udp that doesn't matter? |
| 22:27.54 | spldart | OH! |
| 22:27.59 | JeffM | shots |
| 22:28.00 | Manu | heh |
| 22:28.01 | JeffM | movement |
| 22:28.02 | JeffM | etc.. |
| 22:28.07 | spldart | wait |
| 22:28.09 | Manu | spldart: bzadmin can't play ;) |
| 22:28.10 | JeffM | basicly all the crap that it can't show |
| 22:28.12 | spldart | how about statments? |
| 22:28.18 | JeffM | what is a statement? |
| 22:28.18 | spldart | by players |
| 22:28.22 | spldart | text |
| 22:28.23 | JeffM | chat |
| 22:28.24 | spldart | convo |
| 22:28.25 | spldart | chat |
| 22:28.25 | JeffM | chat is TCP |
| 22:28.50 | spldart | I have seen bzadmin get extremely unresponsive even in chat compared to a client on the same server |
| 22:28.54 | spldart | even a local server |
| 22:29.06 | JeffM | yeah it's not setup for a tight responsive loop |
| 22:29.09 | spldart | both on same connection |
| 22:29.16 | spldart | ah |
| 22:29.17 | spldart | ok |
| 22:29.18 | JeffM | the client is made to run as fast as it can |
| 22:29.23 | JeffM | admin, not so much |
| 22:29.30 | spldart | I was gonna say yeah it's suppossed to ignore game logic |
| 22:29.33 | JeffM | people don't want bzadmin to take 100% of the CPU |
| 22:29.44 | JeffM | pfff game logic is nothing\ |
| 22:30.01 | JeffM | it's the tight loop polling that the client does |
| 22:30.17 | spldart | Yah know bzadmin often lags further and further, even in chat, until the inevitable unresponsive that you get on busy servers |
| 22:30.26 | JeffM | checing for input and net data 60 to 200 times a second |
| 22:30.44 | JeffM | it would not suprise me if bzadmin waits 2-3 seconds between checks |
| 22:31.21 | spldart | If only that was the stable, predictable, samples of the game stream |
| 22:31.53 | JeffM | it should be threaded |
| 22:31.55 | spldart | it starts low and increases in my experience... if gaming is heavy.. if light then yes.. 1-3 seconds would be my guess |
| 22:32.06 | JeffM | then it could react when data was up but wait when it wasn't |
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| 22:44.35 | BulletCatcher | JeffM: After moving my "createWalls" boolean into the WorldInfo class BZWReader::defineWorldFromFile() can see it as myWorld->createWalls, but I still can't find what object name to use in CustomWorld::read()'s scope. |
| 22:45.01 | JeffM | you should see how other custom classes use it |
| 22:45.07 | JeffM | boxes call add box, etc... |
| 22:45.08 | BulletCatcher | k |
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| 23:11.00 | spldart | has always wondered about the odd cadence beat of the Tah'ree starships in Stargate SG1 |
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| 23:15.40 | tj13820 | could someone take a look at this for a "BZFlag - like wordpress theme"? http://utopian.servegame.com |
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| 23:26.56 | spldart | Wow.. I've seen those 3 hosted names today alone iirc |
| 23:27.00 | spldart | 2 for sure |
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| 23:43.25 | tj13820 | lol |
| 23:43.42 | tj13820 | i've used them forever. No-ip.com |
| 23:44.02 | tj13820 | i felt bzfs24.servegame.com was getting old |
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