| 00:07.56 | donny_baker | ~seen KingofCamelot |
| 00:07.58 | ibot | kingofcamelot <i=KingofCa@SCT-52-221.resnet.ucsb.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 7d 16h 32m 18s ago, saying: 'My HUDuiScrollList is pretty much done, just need to figure out how to have the tank focus icon move down the list instead of staying fixed on the HUDuiScrollList itself.'. |
| 00:11.27 | whodaman- | :O |
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| 01:10.25 | tj13820 | in bzflag under the 2_0branch, it says "we don't build with curses". |
| 01:10.39 | tj13820 | can i build with NCurses? in linux. For bzadmin |
| 01:11.40 | tj13820 | nvm. that is in the win32 portion. |
| 01:16.32 | tj13820 | should i CHMOD my svn files? |
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| 01:35.53 | Lukstr | woo brown out |
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| 01:50.56 | Lukstr | huge thunderstorm here, going to power down for a bit :S |
| 01:51.28 | Lukstr | (I'm paranoid) |
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| 02:49.28 | tj13820 | could someone please give me an opinion of "usability" on bzfs24.servegame.com:5158? i'd like to know how the lag/jitter is on this new build. |
| 02:50.23 | Thumper_ | trunk/branch? |
| 02:50.28 | tj13820 | branch |
| 02:50.39 | tj13820 | i moved from 2.10 to 2.11.x |
| 02:51.00 | Thumper_ | that'll be fine |
| 02:51.12 | JeffM | 2.0.10 |
| 02:51.14 | JeffM | and 2.0.11 |
| 02:51.21 | JeffM | all the 2.0.x are compatable |
| 02:52.11 | JeffM | there should be little diffrence in lag and jitter from .10 to .11 |
| 02:53.09 | tj13820 | wow. the difference for me is amazing. (at least to me) |
| 02:53.36 | tj13820 | ~100ms per person lag for 2.0.10 is now ~60ms per person for 2.0.x |
| 02:53.36 | ibot | tj13820: okay |
| 02:54.05 | tj13820 | is it easy to "upgrade" linux installs from svn? |
| 02:54.27 | JeffM | what do you mean? |
| 02:55.05 | tj13820 | like, the next time an update is made, say from 2.0.11 to 2.0.12, can i upgrade, or do i remove the current package, and install a new one |
| 02:55.14 | JeffM | there is no package |
| 02:55.24 | tj13820 | no, the sources, but i used checkintsall |
| 02:55.25 | JeffM | you'd just do svn up |
| 02:55.30 | JeffM | then make |
| 02:55.33 | JeffM | and make install |
| 02:55.38 | tj13820 | ahh, very good. |
| 02:55.38 | JeffM | it'd just overwrite what you have |
| 02:55.50 | tj13820 | svn "up" is what i needed to know |
| 02:55.56 | JeffM | 2.0.x is somewhat dead |
| 02:56.14 | JeffM | we may do a release to fix a build issue on gentoo, but it won't have anything major |
| 02:56.57 | JeffM | when 3.0 ships svn up won't get it for you |
| 02:58.16 | tj13820 | so then i'll have to remove the current one and install 3.0 |
| 02:58.25 | tj13820 | and how would i remove the current install? |
| 02:58.27 | JeffM | probably |
| 02:58.42 | JeffM | since the data dir got all changed around for 3 |
| 03:02.17 | tj13820 | when is 3 expected to be released? |
| 03:02.24 | tj13820 | *thank you Thumper* |
| 03:02.34 | Thumper_ | last month - before GSoC started... :-P |
| 03:02.44 | tj13820 | hah |
| 03:02.53 | JeffM | we never have release dates |
| 03:02.55 | JeffM | but yeah sometime |
| 03:03.19 | tj13820 | delays happen... summer happens... life goes on... |
| 03:03.21 | tj13820 | :-) |
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| 03:33.29 | blast007 | JeffM: (from a while ago, haven't read it all, so it might have been mentioned) but bzadmin does use the list server. for one, it does global auth |
| 03:33.54 | JeffM | ahh yeah |
| 03:33.57 | blast007 | it also, for some reason, has a /list command that will query the list server and print out the server list |
| 03:36.15 | Flash | the kicker is that /list ALSO does a broadcast on 5154 to see who else will respond |
| 03:37.07 | JeffM | yeah as it should |
| 03:37.12 | JeffM | thats so it can list lan games |
| 03:37.14 | blast007 | we should probably make use of the CHECKTOKENS and GETTOKEN in bzfs and bzflag/bzadmin at some point |
| 03:37.40 | blast007 | I guess GETTOKEN mainly |
| 03:37.52 | blast007 | since currently we do a LIST to get a token, even in bzadmin |
| 03:39.35 | Flash | based on some recent testing, the ping doesn't get a response from a private server (which what I expected a lan server to be), because private servers don't respond to pings |
| 03:39.56 | blast007 | they should, I would think |
| 03:40.04 | blast007 | unless you tell it not to respond to pings |
| 03:40.10 | Flash | maybe I did.... |
| 03:40.22 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.31 | Flash | the beauty/curse of config files... I don't remember what I set anymore |
| 03:41.45 | Flash | yeah, that makes a difference ;-) |
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| 14:14.32 | Wyk3d | sings .. and another one bites the dust .. |
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| 17:11.10 | Epyon | Manu, ping? |
| 17:21.05 | Manu | Epyon: pong |
| 17:21.27 | Epyon | Have you any comments on the timeline and suggested features? |
| 17:21.35 | Epyon | Is there something I missed? |
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| 17:21.56 | Epyon | Also, what do you think I should concentrate on now? |
| 17:22.00 | Manu | Epyon: have to check it at first |
| 17:22.19 | Epyon | I didn't touch it since yesterday. |
| 17:23.25 | CIA-34 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r17523 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (MSVC/VC8/bzwgen.vcproj inc/GraphNode.h): |
| 17:23.25 | CIA-34 | BZFlag: * for an unknown reason the new files weren't in the project |
| 17:23.25 | CIA-34 | BZFlag: * GraphNode constructor and connect method |
| 17:23.30 | Manu | Epyon: yes, I see |
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| 17:25.05 | Manu | Epyon: it looks fine for me |
| 17:26.20 | Manu | Epyon: about your question, you can follow your schedule ;) |
| 17:27.11 | Manu | Epyon: are your first group finished? may 26 - june 15 |
| 17:27.18 | Manu | is* |
| 17:27.25 | Epyon | Almost |
| 17:27.48 | Epyon | bzwgen compiles as a plugin |
| 17:28.11 | Epyon | if you consider what is on the wiki a detailed schedule and plan then the 3rd one is done too. |
| 17:28.45 | Epyon | about collision code I got all the answers from JeffM |
| 17:28.47 | Manu | yes, if other deves haven't nothin to argue with it, it's ok for me |
| 17:28.53 | Manu | deve* |
| 17:28.55 | Manu | devs* |
| 17:29.06 | Epyon | what is really lacking is the alternate ruleset and code cleanup. |
| 17:29.35 | Manu | code cleanup can be done later I guess |
| 17:30.14 | Epyon | Yeah, but for the alternate ruleset I need textures, and JeffM told me not to work on that part, because I should be coding and not drawing :P |
| 17:30.32 | Epyon | Hence my question on what do you think I dhould be doing. |
| 17:30.38 | Manu | yes, because you can waste a lot of time on it ;) |
| 17:31.00 | Manu | for testing you can use the standard textures |
| 17:32.08 | Epyon | wonders if Origonal is JeffM's running joke. |
| 17:32.29 | Manu | heh |
| 17:33.20 | Manu | Epyon: you are origonal ;) |
| 17:34.00 | Epyon | Yeah, that's why I asked. I think I even submitted a fix for that (README in bzwgen) but somehow it went back to Origonal O.o |
| 17:35.41 | Manu | Epyon: probably Jeffm didn't update before commit ;) |
| 17:35.57 | Manu | nor not ;) |
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| 18:21.52 | CIA-34 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r17524 10/trunk/bzwgen/rules_skeleton/ (7 files): A working ruleset barebone skeleton |
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| 19:26.24 | CIA-34 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r17525 10/trunk/bzwgen/inc/ (BZWGenerator.h GraphNode.h PlanarGraph.h Point2D.h): use the traditional at delimiter instead of doxy's backslashedness |
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| 20:04.55 | Lukstr | brlcad: I'll update my doxygen notes |
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| 20:06.03 | brlcad | okie |
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| 20:17.02 | Lukstr | how verbose should I be for doxygen? |
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| 20:23.56 | brlcad | Lukstr: as much as you're comfortable with |
| 20:24.34 | brlcad | just adding the extra asterisk on a comment block above classes and methods is plenty |
| 20:25.02 | brlcad | if we had just that across the whole codebase, we'd be miles beyond most projects (and suitably useful for our own purposes) |
| 20:25.56 | Lukstr | alright |
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| 20:34.43 | Tupone | Is someone against the release of 2.0.12 ? Now that gcc-4.3 is approaching the stability. 2.0.10 is not good |
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| 20:42.11 | Flash | I can't build branch on MacOS 10.5 |
| 20:42.19 | Flash | similar configure issues |
| 20:42.43 | Flash | I think there's a brute-force fix... |
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| 21:12.26 | CIA-34 | BZFlag: 03jwmelto * r17526 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/MsgStrings.cxx: Add the missing ping packet types |
| 21:15.37 | CIA-34 | BZFlag: 03jwmelto * r17527 10/branches/v2_99_net_branch/src/game/MsgStrings.cxx: merge r17526 |
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| 21:32.06 | JeffM | huh? |
| 21:32.21 | JeffM | I was out seeing the incredible hulk |
| 21:32.28 | JeffM | smash! |
| 21:34.40 | Winny | -_- |
| 21:34.57 | Winny | hey, look what you did to my kleenex box |
| 21:35.32 | Winny | now I need to buy a new one |
| 21:36.37 | Flash | waits for the DVD |
| 21:38.33 | JeffM | it's rather good |
| 21:38.49 | Flash | it looks much more promising that the previous one |
| 21:39.20 | JeffM | it's not as good as iron man but it's better then Indy 4 |
| 21:39.33 | Flash | haven't seen either of those yet either |
| 21:41.32 | JeffM | Epyon: no I can't spell, get over it and get on with your lives. |
| 21:41.41 | Flash | oh this IS ugly |
| 21:41.58 | Flash | so I was going to assume that all UDP traffic should come from a connected "player" |
| 21:42.10 | Flash | but ping creates a new socket for the ping |
| 21:42.20 | Flash | that doesn't match the socket in the NetHandler |
| 21:42.25 | JeffM | UDP is connectionless |
| 21:42.26 | Flash | so it gets rejected |
| 21:42.48 | JeffM | the lan ping is UDP? |
| 21:42.53 | Flash | yes |
| 21:43.01 | Flash | broadcast |
| 21:43.08 | JeffM | so make it TCP |
| 21:43.19 | Flash | kind of defeats the purpose |
| 21:43.24 | CBG` | JeffM: I agree with Iron Man > Hulk, but not sure about Indiana. I liked it but I can understand why other didn't. |
| 21:44.23 | JeffM | CBG`: Indy 4 was not horible for a 4th movie, but they strayed too far from the formula for my taste |
| 21:44.39 | JeffM | hulk was a good action movie, writen decently, acted well, and shot well |
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| 21:47.55 | Manu | Epyon: you are no longer origonal ;) |
| 21:50.32 | CBG` | JeffM: are yo a bit of a comic book (Marvel) buff? by any chance? |
| 21:51.13 | JeffM | somewhat |
| 21:52.45 | CBG` | Who's likely to be in the Avengers film when (no if, i think we can be pretty sure about it following the end of iron man) it comes out? |
| 21:53.27 | CBG` | Some comic book (non)expert friends can't agree exactly... |
| 21:53.53 | JeffM | thor |
| 21:54.02 | JeffM | and Cap |
| 21:56.06 | CBG` | Iron Man, obviously... They seem to think Spiderman and Wolverine (as they often work together) and Cpt. America was mentioned.... But wikipedia seems to suggest that the Avengers has gone thoguh a whole load of changes and didn't have any of those originally. |
| 21:56.12 | CBG` | Cap = Captain America? |
| 21:56.38 | JeffM | spiderman and wolverine are part of the "new avengers" |
| 21:56.43 | JeffM | I don't thiknk they will go that route |
| 21:56.50 | JeffM | thor movie is a go for 20010 |
| 21:56.52 | JeffM | 2010 |
| 21:57.02 | CBG` | oh, cool |
| 21:57.19 | CBG` | In a way I didn't like the idea of the avengers vs hulk |
| 21:57.49 | CBG` | I kind of feel that all the superheros should stick together regardless... but then again they are treating hulk as a supervillain so guess my rule doesn't apply |
| 21:57.58 | CBG` | (even though he's clearly a good guy ...) |
| 21:58.39 | Flash | it's not easy being green |
| 21:59.05 | JeffM | the movies seem to be pulling from the ultimates line of commics not the present line |
| 21:59.14 | JeffM | new avengers with spidy and wolvie didn't sell that well |
| 21:59.22 | JeffM | so I don't think they will go that route |
| 21:59.38 | JeffM | if you've got a black nick furry you are in ultimates teritory |
| 21:59.53 | JeffM | so it'll be IM, cap, hulk, thor, wasp, and Giant man |
| 22:00.22 | JeffM | I doubt toby will do many more movies |
| 22:00.37 | JeffM | the big question will be Cap, h e'll be a hard sell in non US countries |
| 22:00.47 | JeffM | I could see a point of replacing him with wolverine |
| 22:02.12 | Flash | Cap was created for WWII; he wouldn't have broad appeal today |
| 22:02.40 | JeffM | Flash, go read the ultimates |
| 22:02.44 | JeffM | you'll see a decent update |
| 22:02.46 | JeffM | it CAN be done |
| 22:02.49 | CBG` | shame |
| 22:02.49 | CBG` | i love spidey. can't wait to see more of him |
| 22:02.49 | CBG` | he got me into the whole scene |
| 22:02.49 | CBG` | wasn't into comic book stuff till then. still not a true geek but watch the movies when they come out |
| 22:02.50 | CBG` | well, I did always like "The New Adventures of Superman" but... not sure that counts. Plus he's not marvel. |
| 22:02.51 | JeffM | it just won't be easy |
| 22:03.09 | JeffM | the superman movie efectivly tanked |
| 22:03.16 | JeffM | so they arn't making another one |
| 22:03.29 | JeffM | it only did 350mill |
| 22:03.56 | JeffM | DC's plan is to do a justice league movie with younger edgier versions of the heros |
| 22:03.58 | JeffM | it will suck |
| 22:04.25 | JeffM | a superman/batman teamup movie with the current actors could have been rather good |
| 22:04.33 | CBG` | yeah the latest superman movies was pants. I slept right through after about 25 minutes |
| 22:04.42 | JeffM | it was too long |
| 22:04.46 | JeffM | but not a horible idea |
| 22:04.48 | CBG` | (so I guess actually it may have been incredible, but unlikely...) |
| 22:04.56 | JeffM | it needed a better story |
| 22:05.02 | JeffM | the writing for luthor was bad |
| 22:05.19 | JeffM | spacy could have done so much better |
| 22:05.47 | CBG` | I did really like Iron Man though, for what it's worth, so I'll definitely be seeing the Avengers... |
| 22:05.49 | JeffM | DC is owned by warner, and they are spread a bit to thin |
| 22:05.57 | JeffM | yeah IM was a good movie |
| 22:06.11 | JeffM | marvel showed that if you focus on just making a good movie it'll do well |
| 22:06.19 | CBG` | Talking of Captain America, I saw a "Captain Britain" in the book store recently. Looked utterly pants. :D |
| 22:06.30 | JeffM | CB is an old book |
| 22:06.40 | JeffM | it is usualy writen well |
| 22:06.44 | CBG` | Yeah, I'd never even heard of Iron Man before, had very little idea what it was all about... Loved it. |
| 22:06.53 | JeffM | you should read the ultimates |
| 22:06.54 | CBG` | What are his abilities? |
| 22:06.55 | JeffM | you'd like them |
| 22:07.01 | JeffM | CB is basicly superman |
| 22:07.18 | CBG` | I'm not so much into reading in the last couple of years, books, comics or otherwise. |
| 22:07.22 | CBG` | Ah, ok. |
| 22:07.32 | JeffM | his sister is psylocke |
| 22:07.56 | JeffM | the ultimates is good |
| 22:08.00 | CBG` | I used to read a lot in bed, but these days I just game until I'm about to fall asleep in my chair and drag myself into bed at that point. |
| 22:08.04 | JeffM | dosn't take place in the normal universe |
| 22:08.08 | JeffM | so they got rid of all the lame stuff |
| 22:08.14 | JeffM | ultimate FF is hilarious |
| 22:08.32 | CBG` | So other than the occasional bus trip, I do very little reading (and what little I do read is usually a PC Gaming Mag). |
| 22:08.42 | CBG` | ah, alternate universes are good :) |
| 22:08.45 | JeffM | eww |
| 22:08.51 | JeffM | pc gaming mags are lame |
| 22:08.53 | JeffM | always old data |
| 22:09.00 | CBG` | I'm a PC gamer... :P |
| 22:09.13 | JeffM | then you should know that the interwebs have all the current info ;) |
| 22:09.17 | CBG` | Reviews! Previews! |
| 22:09.28 | CBG` | Hard to read the interwebs on the bus... |
| 22:09.37 | CBG` | My iPhone only has Edge. :( |
| 22:09.44 | JeffM | upgrade ;) |
| 22:09.52 | CBG` | and It'd get nicked so incredibly fast... |
| 22:10.01 | CBG` | JeffM: me == student |
| 22:10.13 | CBG` | student != able to afford iphone 3g :( |
| 22:10.19 | JeffM | yet you could aford one of the origonal ones ;) |
| 22:10.27 | CBG` | Especially not if I buy a foosball table which I totally can not gt out of my head atm. |
| 22:10.31 | CBG` | Nah, it was a gift. :) |
| 22:10.43 | CBG` | I can't even afford the £35/mo contract. |
| 22:11.35 | CBG` | I've budgeted what I can afford to pay for when I move out... IF I get an extra shift each week at work, I can pay the rent, bills and buy food. Can't afford the phone or Anything else. :/ |
| 22:12.04 | CBG` | Student Loan++ |
| 22:12.15 | Gabe_G23 | CBG`: When did you get the iPhone? |
| 22:12.20 | CBG` | Christmas |
| 22:13.07 | Gabe_G23 | Nevermind, because if you get it after a certain date, you're allowed to swap it out. |
| 22:13.25 | CBG` | Hmm |
| 22:15.37 | CBG` | Oooh, I decided to check Gabe... (bye!), and on the apple forums they say O2 (the iphone carrier in the UK) are offering the 3G phone free to anyone on the £45/mo contract and for £99 on the £35 contract. |
| 22:15.43 | CBG` | So.... Not quite so expensive. |
| 22:16.00 | CBG` | 3-4 overtime shifts will cover that... |
| 22:16.20 | CBG` | But even the 3G phone still won't solve the one thing I really wish for... |
| 22:16.26 | CBG` | Rules for Mail. :( |
| 22:16.43 | CBG` | Mailing Lists make Mail on the iPhone utterly USELESS! |
| 22:18.59 | bugQ | hmm, that is a bit disappointing. |
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