| 00:52.15 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17420 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/ (MSVC/Makefile.am MSVC/VC71/ configure.ac): VC71 got booted in trunk, here too |
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| 00:55.49 | Erroneous | JeffM: probably should just merge trunk in again |
| 00:56.02 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.45 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17421 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Vector math and matrix classes for EVERYONE |
| 01:00.40 | JeffM | grrs at const |
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| 01:04.28 | JeffM | there he is |
| 01:04.38 | JeffM | did those last checkins compile? |
| 01:04.41 | JeffM | or did you miss a file? |
| 01:05.14 | Constitution | me? |
| 01:05.17 | JeffM | you |
| 01:05.27 | Constitution | I thought so... I'll double-check |
| 01:05.33 | JeffM | header file? |
| 01:05.34 | JeffM | maybe |
| 01:06.27 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17422 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/ (include/ShotManager.h src/game/ShotManager.cxx): add deceleration of shot stat methods and make them static. |
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| 01:07.51 | Constitution | hm, I was a rev behind, I guess |
| 01:08.04 | think_tank | :o |
| 01:08.09 | think_tank | Constitution-- |
| 01:08.13 | Constitution | got some VectorMath issues now, but I haven't touched that code |
| 01:08.22 | JeffM | I just added that |
| 01:08.24 | JeffM | what issues? |
| 01:08.40 | Constitution | VectorMath.cxx:13:24: error: vectorMath.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:08.45 | JeffM | bahh |
| 01:08.47 | JeffM | caps |
| 01:08.56 | Constitution | the race is on... |
| 01:09.23 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17423 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/src/common/VectorMath.cxx: capital V for bzflag! |
| 01:09.24 | JeffM | sucker! |
| 01:09.35 | think_tank | lol |
| 01:09.36 | JeffM | phear my tools |
| 01:09.41 | Constitution | pfft, 1.5 seconds |
| 01:09.54 | think_tank | Commit again just for the hell of it ;) |
| 01:11.16 | Constitution | actually |
| 01:11.47 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r17424 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/src/common/VectorMath.cxx: EOF newline |
| 01:11.52 | Constitution | there :) |
| 01:11.52 | think_tank | \o/ |
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| 01:19.09 | Mets | so just a question |
| 01:19.25 | Mets | some of the maps on the listserv are giving a Game over, server is full error |
| 01:19.42 | JeffM | yeah it's an attack |
| 01:19.55 | Mets | an attack on the listserv? |
| 01:19.59 | JeffM | no |
| 01:20.16 | Mets | it's on multiple, unrelated servers though |
| 01:20.20 | JeffM | yes |
| 01:20.28 | Mets | so what are you saying |
| 01:21.06 | JeffM | that it is an attack on multiple unrelated servers |
| 01:21.27 | Flash | the servers are being attacked, not the listserv |
| 01:21.27 | Mets | as in ddos? |
| 01:21.30 | JeffM | yes |
| 01:21.39 | Mets | that seems ridiculous |
| 01:21.43 | JeffM | why? |
| 01:21.45 | Flash | school's out |
| 01:22.11 | Mets | it seems far too coordinated to attack multiple servers at once |
| 01:22.29 | Mets | and our servers are miniscule |
| 01:22.41 | JeffM | too coordinated? |
| 01:22.45 | JeffM | dude it's a script |
| 01:22.51 | JeffM | someone just fed it input |
| 01:22.53 | JeffM | and let it goe |
| 01:22.57 | JeffM | it's not that hard |
| 01:23.03 | Mets | who is puts together a ddos attack against a server with 20 people |
| 01:23.04 | JeffM | and the point would be to jack up bzflag |
| 01:23.16 | Mets | i'm not saying it's hard, i know how it works |
| 01:23.16 | JeffM | someone who has a grudge against bzflag |
| 01:23.29 | JeffM | it's been done before and will be done again |
| 01:23.56 | blast007 | Mets: it's not a ddos, just a dos |
| 01:24.07 | blast007 | single IP |
| 01:24.19 | JeffM | even easier to block |
| 01:24.43 | Mets | same idea |
| 01:24.51 | Mets | the point is it's down |
| 01:25.05 | JeffM | get the owner to manage his server and block the IP |
| 01:25.07 | JeffM | simple as that |
| 01:25.23 | Mets | sure, i'll just go get all of them |
| 01:25.38 | JeffM | what else do you expect to happen? |
| 01:25.45 | JeffM | us to magicaly fix it all? |
| 01:25.57 | Mets | no, I was just asking if it was listserv or not |
| 01:26.15 | Mets | i assumed when it was multiple servers that it was a listserv problem |
| 01:26.36 | JeffM | the list dosn't controll if you can join a server or not |
| 01:26.42 | JeffM | it just.. lists.. them |
| 01:27.23 | Mets | so does anybody do anything about this, or we just let it go. or tell server owners to block incoming ip addresses |
| 01:27.38 | Mets | anybody meaning the community as a whole |
| 01:27.38 | JeffM | who would do anything about it? |
| 01:27.44 | JeffM | how could we? |
| 01:27.46 | JeffM | we don't run servers |
| 01:28.02 | Mets | I don't know, when we get attacked on irc we tend to do quite a bit |
| 01:28.09 | JeffM | no we don't |
| 01:28.13 | JeffM | the IRC network owners do |
| 01:28.25 | JeffM | it's part of managing an internet server |
| 01:28.31 | JeffM | you MANAGE it |
| 01:28.55 | JeffM | if oyu want to compare it to IRC, this channel is like ONE server |
| 01:29.05 | JeffM | and yes we manage this channel when it's attacked |
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| 01:29.13 | Mets | right, I'm well aware of managing attacks on irc servers, and typically the server owners ALL respond in some legal fashion when attacked |
| 01:29.14 | JeffM | just like the server's admins should be doing but arn't |
| 01:29.15 | Lukstr-alt | I am back |
| 01:29.52 | JeffM | Mets, IRC is better managed then most silly little game serves ;) |
| 01:29.58 | Lukstr-alt | is it possible to resolve an IP over IRC |
| 01:30.01 | Mets | JeffM, no argument there at all :) |
| 01:30.09 | JeffM | Mets, it's also not opt in |
| 01:30.12 | JeffM | like bzflag is |
| 01:30.40 | Mets | server owners typically opt-in and volunteer quite a bit of time, so do opers |
| 01:30.49 | JeffM | all server owners are opt in |
| 01:30.52 | JeffM | anyone can run one |
| 01:30.59 | JeffM | the same isn't true for IRC network servers |
| 01:31.01 | JeffM | you have to apply |
| 01:31.03 | JeffM | and be approved |
| 01:31.12 | JeffM | and submit to an existing management system by the network |
| 01:31.14 | Mets | ah, yes to run on a big network you have to apply |
| 01:31.17 | JeffM | bzflag is not like that |
| 01:31.31 | JeffM | if it was we'd not have more servers then players ;) |
| 01:31.52 | JeffM | Lukstr-alt, there are web tools to do it |
| 01:32.04 | Mets | technically anybody can run an irc server also, unless their host prevents it, just like anybody can run a bzflag server, unless their host prevents it |
| 01:32.22 | JeffM | Mets, but not anyone can be part of the freenode network |
| 01:32.28 | JeffM | the community part you mentioned |
| 01:33.00 | Mets | mmm I see where you are coming from |
| 01:33.15 | Mets | I vote for an application process :) |
| 01:33.34 | JeffM | we don't run servers |
| 01:33.37 | JeffM | that is not what we do |
| 01:33.43 | JeffM | we write software and provide a free list |
| 01:33.51 | Mets | I jest of course :p |
| 01:35.02 | Mets | out of all of the things to attack, I can't believe you'd waste your time on a 5 person game server, or even at 25 person game server; they're so small they're not even worth attacking |
| 01:35.24 | JeffM | they are probably just attacking all servers on the list that had players |
| 01:37.08 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17425 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/ (6 files in 4 dirs): replace some of the uses of the old float based vector functions with the vector math classes |
| 01:39.19 | Lukstr-alt | Anyone feel like retreiving Lukstr's IP? :P |
| 01:39.31 | JeffM | why? |
| 01:39.55 | Flash | CPE0080c6efd3fb-CM00195efb656e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com |
| 01:40.15 | Lukstr-alt | so I can ssh into my machine |
| 01:40.32 | Lukstr-alt | Flash: Can you resolve that? :S |
| 01:40.40 | JeffM | nlsookup |
| 01:40.52 | Flash | did you try? |
| 01:41.02 | Lukstr-alt | excellent thanks Flash |
| 01:43.01 | blast007 | wonders what OS can't resolve an IP |
| 01:43.11 | Lukstr-alt | I'm on windows so you never know :P |
| 01:43.17 | Lukstr-alt | brlcad: ping |
| 01:43.19 | blast007 | windows has nslookup |
| 01:43.26 | blast007 | and has even in Windows 95, afaik |
| 01:43.29 | Winny | ugh some moron is still DDoSing my server |
| 01:43.34 | JeffM | blast007, since NT |
| 01:43.37 | Lukstr-alt | the more you know :P |
| 01:43.41 | JeffM | Winny, so... block him |
| 01:43.59 | Winny | yeah, he keeps getting new IPs.. gonna have to set up some firewall rules |
| 01:44.05 | Lukstr-alt | regardless, ping resolved to IP |
| 01:44.06 | Constitution | ha |
| 01:44.12 | Constitution | to the rescue |
| 01:44.19 | Lukstr-alt | yay |
| 01:44.28 | Mets | i wonder if it is nightmare, he was issuing warnings in #bzchat a few days ago. I thought he was too dumb to dos attack |
| 01:44.35 | Constitution | netstat gives 700 lines |
| 01:44.35 | Winny | Constitution, mr. fix it:P |
| 01:44.37 | Constitution | :P |
| 01:45.25 | Lukstr-alt | Mets: Never underestimate unintelligence |
| 01:45.32 | Mets | :) |
| 01:46.02 | Lukstr-alt | JeffM: You reckon there's nothing worth looking at in modeltool? |
| 01:46.18 | JeffM | what do you mean? |
| 01:47.40 | Lukstr-alt | well, for libbzw |
| 01:47.48 | JeffM | it writes bzw files |
| 01:47.58 | JeffM | complete with draw info |
| 01:48.07 | Lukstr-alt | well that sounds worth taking a look |
| 01:48.13 | JeffM | for what you need for meshes it's probably a good thing to know |
| 01:48.54 | Lukstr-alt | rgr |
| 01:52.59 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17426 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/ (10 files in 4 dirs): replace some of the uses of the old float based vector functions with the vector math classes |
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| 02:54.14 | L4m3r | JeffM: ping |
| 02:59.47 | brlcad | Lukstr: pong? |
| 03:01.09 | JeffM | ? |
| 03:01.25 | JeffM | what up,l43mr? |
| 03:01.44 | JeffM | or L4m3r even |
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| 03:42.40 | Thumper_ | Lukstr: ipconfig should give you your ip info on windows |
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| 06:46.26 | Flash | think_tank: ping |
| 06:46.54 | Flash | Thumper_: ping |
| 06:47.50 | Flash | if either of you wake up, foxburrow needs adult supervision. "surething buddy" is an annoying TK |
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| 07:39.40 | think_tank | ok Flash |
| 07:39.48 | think_tank | i'll see if he's still on |
| 07:40.32 | Mets | is there a way to change the grass image on a map to something else, without having to texture the whole thing? |
| 07:41.05 | Mets | point by point |
| 07:43.53 | Mets | oh, and Flash, i got solaris to compile |
| 07:44.19 | Mets | although it doesn't seem to yet compile with plugin support |
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| 12:30.06 | spldart | Good Morning. |
| 12:41.44 | donny_baker | morning |
| 12:42.04 | Mets | morning |
| 12:42.23 | whodaman- | morning |
| 12:42.24 | whodaman- | :P |
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| 12:46.13 | spldart | Yay mornings :) |
| 12:54.57 | brlcad | grumble morning |
| 12:59.15 | spldart | :( |
| 12:59.33 | spldart | bad morn? |
| 13:01.05 | spldart | brb |
| 13:04.18 | brlcad | doesn't favor the morning |
| 13:05.27 | Birdie | hates mornings |
| 13:22.17 | spldart | used to. But has slowly been shifting to a ToD nuetral kinda cat. |
| 13:23.56 | Thumper_ | Flash: pong |
| 13:24.27 | Thumper_ | Flash: guess I'm way too late for that :) |
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| 14:53.28 | Winny | GMT = EDT + 4? |
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| 15:17.39 | spldart | I thought EDT -4 = GMT when daylight savings is not in effect. |
| 15:17.55 | spldart | I guess I could have that turned around though |
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| 16:47.39 | think_tank | odd. i've been in observer mode for nearly three hours and haven't had everyone go NR after only a few minutes as usual. Maybe comcast stopped sending RST packets? |
| 16:57.23 | JeffM | DTRemenak: I verfied it, ServerSyncedClock::timeMessage dosn't use lagstats at all |
| 16:57.39 | JeffM | so I can't see how the lag comp in DR is affecting NR at all |
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| 17:27.47 | TheRedBaron | think_tank: I think its router based |
| 17:28.00 | think_tank | that's what i always thought too |
| 17:28.33 | think_tank | but i haven't changed anything router-wise and but i've heard comcast's RST packets may affect obs mode |
| 17:29.00 | TheRedBaron | Because i've played with different routers, while still within comcast's network (at different physical locations) |
| 17:30.00 | think_tank | whatever it is, i hope it doesn't go back |
| 17:30.14 | Winny | hehe, comcast |
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| 17:31.04 | tankzilla | Hey guys, I seem to have an impostor using my name. |
| 17:31.06 | think_tank | hugs his 20mbps d/l |
| 17:31.07 | TheRedBaron | they aren't a half bad ISP here in the south east |
| 17:31.25 | Winny | tankzilla: then log in and ghost him |
| 17:31.33 | Winny | or have the server owner ban him |
| 17:31.47 | tankzilla | no he's not using "tankzilla" but using "tz" and claiming he's me. |
| 17:31.55 | tankzilla | this happened once before when someone cheating while using my name. |
| 17:32.11 | Winny | ban him them :) We can't do much/anything unless we own the server(s) |
| 17:32.45 | tankzilla | well, last time it happened I started to be blamed for his actions and don't want to see it happen again. |
| 17:32.51 | TheRedBaron | tankzilla: grab another e-mail address and register "tz" |
| 17:33.05 | tankzilla | I believe he registered it already. |
| 17:34.10 | Winny | blast007, can names be removed on the basis of claimnig you're someone else? |
| 17:35.16 | tankzilla | Well, I ask that you become aware that if in fact a cheater is appearing on servers using the name |
| 17:35.54 | think_tank | do we have rules posted anywhere with regard to playername selection? |
| 17:36.03 | Winny | people should know that you only are you when you use "tankzilla", with a + next to your name |
| 17:36.14 | Winny | anyone else who thinks otherwise isn't really worth your time |
| 17:36.54 | tankzilla | yeah, well i was once removed from the talk/spawn list over at the gu league because of someone using "tankzilla_" and apparently they thought it was me. |
| 17:37.43 | Winny | then the person who removed you is stupid:) |
| 17:37.53 | Winny | or they were fed false information |
| 17:39.34 | tankzilla | Not exactly sure whatever it was that happened, just putting the word out that if something happens to double check the difference between the two IP's before a ban is set ;) |
| 17:39.37 | tankzilla | cya guys later. |
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| 20:03.56 | Lukstr | brlcad: ping2 |
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| 20:15.43 | Lukstr | eh, brlcad: Was wondering if that src/world/WorldObject.h file serves any purpose |
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| 20:21.34 | spldart | WOW |
| 20:21.34 | spldart | ooopsy |
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| 21:40.31 | Winny | anyone in here do much with RC cars? |
| 21:43.26 | Winny | s/cars/trucks |
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| 21:48.57 | spldart | not enough to be any help.. My bro was big on them... he's moved on to helicopters. |
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| 22:51.43 | SpazzyMcGee | Jeff, I was chatting to l4m3r on ##planetmofo |
| 22:51.57 | SpazzyMcGee | The allow/disallow prompt when entering servers that want to download non images.bzflag.org textures sounds perfect |
| 22:52.18 | SpazzyMcGee | Oh, wait, jeff' not here |
| 22:52.26 | SpazzyMcGee | *Jeff's |
| 22:52.30 | whodaman- | hehe |
| 22:52.50 | SpazzyMcGee | One way ticket to failsville. |
| 22:53.30 | spldart | On the plus side the crickets got drown out for a few moments. |
| 22:53.49 | SpazzyMcGee | heh |
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| 23:57.04 | AAA_awright | SpazzyMcGee: Prompts are the devil in a solutions disguise |
| 23:58.20 | SpazzyMcGee | I think it's a fair idea; you get a prompt the first time you encounter a certain domain. allow yes/no. |
| 23:58.50 | AAA_awright | Take a hint from Firefox, which has a much better solution, load the page, and ask for an *optional* yes/no to add that domain to the white list in the access file |
| 23:59.02 | AAA_awright | Or in this case, start the server |
| 23:59.40 | temp_dist | a setting in game: "Allow third party textures to load Yes|No" |
| 23:59.53 | AAA_awright | Doing anything but taking you to the server or dying with an error is the wrong thing to do |