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| 00:57.35 | Lukstr | JeffM: are the current shirts the last run of that design? |
| 01:00.08 | JeffM | Lukstr, maybe |
| 01:00.22 | Lukstr | good enough for me |
| 01:01.35 | me1 | Is there a new design? |
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| 01:02.24 | JeffM | no |
| 01:02.32 | JeffM | I still have a bunch of shirts |
| 01:02.41 | JeffM | we'll probably wait a bit before we do it again |
| 01:02.43 | JeffM | goes |
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| 01:11.33 | Lukstr | wow, that shipping added up |
| 01:11.39 | Lukstr | $29 for a tshirt :P |
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| 01:16.06 | spldart | Where are you? |
| 01:21.41 | delusional_ | let me know next time there's a shirt pre-order avilable. |
| 01:22.11 | Lukstr | Toronto |
| 01:31.53 | spldart | Hrm.. shipping is pricey to Canuckia :) |
| 01:33.25 | Lukstr | not usually :S |
| 01:33.31 | DTRemenak | Lukstr: hm, that doesn't sound quite right. I thought canada was cheaper than other international shipping options. ask JeffM about it when he gets back. |
| 01:34.03 | Lukstr | I plan to |
| 01:34.55 | DTRemenak | and you just got the one tshirt? |
| 01:35.06 | DTRemenak | 'cause they fit in a pretty small envelope |
| 01:35.16 | DTRemenak | unless you get two, or an XXL or bigger |
| 01:35.25 | Lukstr | yeah, just the one |
| 01:35.43 | DTRemenak | yeah, doesn't add up for me then. 'course postal rates did just go up, so I dunno. |
| 01:37.52 | DTRemenak | yeah, as I figure it shipping should have been $9.45 for that, so ~$22 total |
| 01:38.26 | Lukstr | hmmm |
| 01:39.08 | DTRemenak | ask Jeff about it though, he has a better handle on it than I do |
| 01:39.28 | DTRemenak | I just shove them in as small an envelope as possible :) |
| 01:39.37 | Lukstr | hahaha |
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| 02:10.35 | JeffM | can anyone help me with something on the store? |
| 02:11.05 | JeffM | oh, nevermind I can do it, I keep forgeting I have an account as a buyer too :) |
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| 02:23.47 | JeffM | I set up product notifications, and enabled the hoodie pages again so that people can select them for notifications. Then I can send out updates when we open pre-orders again. |
| 02:24.13 | blast007 | cool |
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| 02:45.23 | Jarkko_Ruutu | works for me, I'll order twozippered, as soon as i can upload some paypal play money |
| 02:45.51 | JeffM | umm no it's just notifications |
| 02:45.58 | Jarkko_Ruutu | i know |
| 02:46.04 | JeffM | we won't be opening the preorders for a long while |
| 02:48.50 | Lukstr | hey JeffM |
| 02:49.30 | Jarkko_Ruutu | oh.. this is so confoosing, let me know when preorders become available. |
| 02:50.21 | spldart | K |
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| 02:52.46 | JeffM | delusional, I can't do that personaly. but what I did was set it up so that you can be notified by the store when we do |
| 02:52.56 | JeffM | then I don't have to keep a list of people |
| 02:53.09 | JeffM | you can just say "keep me notified on changes to this item" |
| 02:53.12 | JeffM | or to all items |
| 02:53.40 | Lukstr | JeffM: I was going to order a shirt, but shipping (to Toronto) was $17 |
| 02:53.41 | delusional | well, i cant test that, until they become available |
| 02:53.42 | JeffM | Lukstr, yeah USPS went up |
| 02:53.49 | JeffM | delusional, I testedit, it works |
| 02:53.56 | Lukstr | sweet god |
| 02:54.08 | JeffM | tho that should not be right |
| 02:54.13 | JeffM | for a single shirt |
| 02:54.24 | JeffM | it weighs under a lb |
| 02:54.29 | JeffM | so it should be closer to 10 |
| 02:54.40 | Lukstr | yeah |
| 02:54.53 | Lukstr | $10 is what DTRemenak estimated |
| 02:54.54 | JeffM | I'll have to check the shipper tomorow and make sure it's configured correctly |
| 02:55.02 | Lukstr | awesome, thanks |
| 02:55.20 | JeffM | it was acting wonkey with the recent price hike |
| 02:55.47 | JeffM | we did get stiffed on the preorders :( |
| 02:55.58 | JeffM | maybe I'll go to per item per zone pricing |
| 02:55.59 | Lukstr | :O |
| 02:56.14 | JeffM | pre orders were sold before USPS raised prices |
| 02:56.17 | JeffM | then shipped after |
| 02:56.22 | JeffM | so I had to pay the higher prices |
| 02:56.24 | Lukstr | aww, that bites |
| 02:56.27 | JeffM | but only had charged the lower |
| 02:56.31 | JeffM | nature of the game :) |
| 02:56.35 | Lukstr | :/ |
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| 02:56.59 | JeffM | time to go home |
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| 02:57.46 | spldart | mmMMmm |
| 02:57.46 | spldart | bzzzzt |
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| 03:17.32 | JeffM | vistatastic! |
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| 03:19.29 | JeffM | ok. NOW vistatastic :) |
| 03:19.42 | JeffM | silly VC71 runtimes |
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| 03:24.48 | JeffM | stupid GTK |
| 03:29.41 | Winny | hehe |
| 03:31.44 | JeffM | trying pidgin instead of trillian |
| 03:31.55 | JeffM | and it is a GTK app, so it made me quit xchat when it installed |
| 03:33.34 | Winny | ahh crap, 11:30 |
| 03:37.12 | Mets | heh, Jeff I just went through all the clients today for some reason |
| 03:37.41 | Mets | I like pidgin more than trillian because you can search through logs, but pidgin irc isn't great |
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| 03:38.05 | JeffM | IRC in an IM app is stupid |
| 03:38.36 | Mets | it works if all you want to do is log into a channel and type |
| 03:42.58 | JeffM | IRC and IM are SO very different |
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| 03:44.34 | Lukstr | IRC is in a league of its own |
| 03:44.54 | javawizard2539 | This is going to sound like a really weird question |
| 03:44.55 | Mets | yeah pidgin's biggest IRC problem is that it doesn't support colors from mIRC |
| 03:45.00 | Lukstr | pretty much the opposite of IM |
| 03:45.15 | Mets | but they havep plugins that handle the rough edges that you can install |
| 03:45.19 | javawizard2539 | What part of the C++ code handles taking a screenshot when the user presses F5? |
| 03:45.30 | javawizard2539 | or whatever they've mapped their screenshto key to |
| 03:46.13 | JeffM | javawizard2539: what part of the screenshot? |
| 03:46.23 | JeffM | it starts in the screen shot command |
| 03:46.28 | JeffM | then goes elsewhere |
| 03:46.32 | JeffM | what are you trying to fix? |
| 03:46.36 | javawizard2539 | Nothing |
| 03:46.42 | javawizard2539 | I'm still figuring out how the whole codebase works |
| 03:46.48 | JeffM | and are you in trunk or branch? |
| 03:46.54 | javawizard2539 | trunk |
| 03:47.20 | JeffM | the command takes the pixels and sends them to a thread that PNG compresses them |
| 03:48.17 | javawizard2539 | Ok |
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| 04:36.04 | JeffM | whoot. peging the CPU meter at 100% :) |
| 04:37.51 | Lukstr | windows? |
| 04:38.16 | javawizard2539 | in SceneRenderer::setTimeOfDay(double julianDay), what is julianDay measured in? |
| 04:39.13 | JeffM | compiling |
| 04:39.48 | Lukstr | yay |
| 04:40.05 | JeffM | VC went and built a project on each core so it went prety fast |
| 04:40.20 | Lukstr | sweet |
| 04:40.42 | Lukstr | I wonder how good I could build with VMWare |
| 04:40.56 | JeffM | VC in vmware is not fun IIRC |
| 04:41.04 | Lukstr | oh |
| 04:41.12 | Lukstr | Well I was just thinking using gcc or g++ |
| 04:41.18 | Lukstr | since you can specify cores and whatnot |
| 04:41.33 | JeffM | you can do that with regular GCC too |
| 04:41.34 | Lukstr | but my quad has no dev tools on it |
| 04:41.44 | JeffM | how many threads to use etc.. |
| 04:41.48 | Lukstr | yeah I know |
| 04:42.01 | Lukstr | I'd like to try building in *nix on this machine |
| 04:42.18 | Lukstr | probably easily under 10 min for bzflag |
| 04:42.19 | JeffM | what OS is on it now? |
| 04:42.23 | Lukstr | XP |
| 04:42.33 | JeffM | install ubuntu in the windows partion |
| 04:42.35 | JeffM | works fine |
| 04:42.42 | JeffM | just takes up space on the drive |
| 04:42.44 | Lukstr | I don't like rebooting :P |
| 04:42.48 | Lukstr | :D |
| 04:42.54 | JeffM | VM ware will sap power |
| 04:42.59 | Lukstr | heh I know |
| 04:43.00 | JeffM | what CPU is it? |
| 04:43.55 | Lukstr | q6600 |
| 04:44.12 | JeffM | that's what this is |
| 04:44.18 | Lukstr | ooo |
| 04:44.31 | JeffM | low end quad |
| 04:45.40 | Lukstr | I'll get an octo when it comes out |
| 04:45.57 | Lukstr | well, |
| 04:46.05 | Lukstr | rather when they're cheap :P |
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| 05:26.39 | DTRemenak | javawizard2539: it's a julian day |
| 05:27.31 | DTRemenak | i.e. the number of days elapsed since the Julian epoch - noon GMT, Monday Jan 1, 4713 BC |
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| 05:52.00 | Batboy | i always get the bad servers |
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| 06:03.29 | AAA_awright | Who knows anything about program crashes? Specifically, getting data (core dump) on a child process that crashed |
| 06:12.52 | brlcad | what does ulimit -c say for you? |
| 06:14.05 | brlcad | depending on your OS, there are steps you may have to take to enable core files .. most are default disabled these days |
| 06:14.22 | brlcad | it's usually just easier and better to run inside gdb |
| 06:14.25 | brlcad | or whatever debugger |
| 06:23.01 | AAA_awright | hm |
| 06:27.51 | AAA_awright | It looks like bug buddy attaches to SIGSEGV/SIGABRT/etc and attaches gdb before it terminates the program, breakpad does something similar. But there is no way to do this from a parent process, is there? Just SIGCHILD... |
| 06:28.41 | Lukstr | AAA_awright: you want the parent process to recover the core dump of its child? |
| 06:28.55 | AAA_awright | Lukstr: Yes |
| 06:29.18 | AAA_awright | This isn't something I am implementing right away, but I am considering it as a feature for later on |
| 06:32.46 | AAA_awright | Oh, SIGCHILD. The process remains a zombie until it is wait()ed on, that should be sufficient? |
| 06:35.03 | Lukstr | hmm |
| 06:35.33 | Lukstr | probably |
| 06:35.38 | Lukstr | depends on what you really care about |
| 06:36.11 | Lukstr | you can't use GDB? or are you trying to do this on-the-fly |
| 06:36.45 | AAA_awright | on the fly, this would be in a production environment (though gdb shouldn't matter) |
| 06:37.20 | Lukstr | well SIGCHLD is a good time to deal with it :) |
| 06:37.22 | AAA_awright | Actually, I have made gdb segfault, on Debian. I don't know what that would do. |
| 06:37.47 | Lukstr | it's not very difficult to do |
| 06:41.55 | AAA_awright | tries using gdb on a zombie process |
| 06:47.29 | AAA_awright | operation not permitted |
| 06:47.58 | Lukstr | gdb the parent process |
| 06:54.13 | AAA_awright | Nothing special |
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| 06:57.33 | AAA_awright | I can attach to the parent... |
| 06:57.40 | AAA_awright | What about a program that isn't defunct |
| 06:58.16 | AAA_awright | I can attach to that |
| 06:58.45 | AAA_awright | O.o what is sunExplodeTime? |
| 06:58.50 | Lukstr | you're running the parent *through* GDB right? |
| 06:59.18 | AAA_awright | No, how would that help me get to the child? (so wrong) |
| 07:00.21 | brlcad | you can hop to child processes and threads in gdb |
| 07:00.47 | AAA_awright | I know threads, what is the cmd for processes? |
| 07:02.13 | AAA_awright | process |
| 07:02.24 | AAA_awright | of course |
| 07:02.28 | brlcad | attach? |
| 07:03.04 | AAA_awright | As in, to a running process |
| 07:03.17 | Lukstr | using GDB to grab the process via pid |
| 07:03.19 | Lukstr | it's messy |
| 07:03.28 | Lukstr | AAA_awright: this is tricky with child processes, you know |
| 07:03.44 | Lukstr | you have to (generally, you might be able to do without) pause the child whilst attaching |
| 07:03.57 | Lukstr | or Bad Things(TM) happen |
| 07:04.22 | AAA_awright | There isn't any communication between the processes |
| 07:04.32 | AAA_awright | if that makes any difference |
| 07:04.39 | Lukstr | doesn't |
| 07:04.51 | Lukstr | generally the only communication between child and parent is that the child's dead |
| 07:05.07 | Lukstr | I'm sure that will look terrible in the chat logs :P |
| 07:05.52 | L4m3r | hey, if all our kids were dead, we could afford to feed 'em! |
| 07:06.08 | Lukstr | Parents just need to stop forking |
| 07:06.22 | Lukstr | There's not enough space in the stack :( |
| 07:06.42 | Lukstr | there's already enough starving children in the world... |
| 07:06.44 | Lukstr | okay I'm done. |
| 07:06.50 | L4m3r | :P |
| 07:07.44 | AAA_awright | heh |
| 07:08.57 | L4m3r | cannot think of a good euphemism for contraception |
| 07:09.28 | Lukstr | oh oh |
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| 07:17.25 | AAA_awright | ptrace |
| 07:19.14 | Lukstr | eh |
| 07:19.39 | Lukstr | was going to say SIGABRT but that's a bit mean.. |
| 07:26.53 | DTRemenak | EACCES from fork() - the best contraceptive ;) |
| 07:27.55 | Lukstr | hahaha |
| 07:28.00 | Lukstr | that's just bad luck :P |
| 07:28.13 | DTRemenak | naw, bad luck is EAGAIN ;) |
| 07:28.28 | Lukstr | true |
| 07:29.06 | DTRemenak | it is important to handle those signals differently |
| 07:29.46 | DTRemenak | continued ignoral of EACCES may cause restraining orders |
| 07:34.20 | Lukstr | or unwanted children? :P |
| 07:34.47 | Lukstr | DTRemenak: What time is it there |
| 07:35.09 | Lukstr | s/$/?/ |
| 07:35.15 | Lukstr | s/$/\?/ |
| 07:35.17 | Lukstr | :P |
| 07:35.28 | DTRemenak | mmm, 12:39 |
| 07:35.39 | Lukstr | ugh. I like your time zone better. |
| 07:35.47 | DTRemenak | sorry, took me a while to figure out how to find "confine mouse" in russian :) |
| 07:35.59 | Lukstr | oh dear |
| 07:36.23 | Lukstr | I did translation stuff all last summer. It sucks |
| 07:36.58 | DTRemenak | bzflag is now all unicode-enabled |
| 07:37.06 | DTRemenak | just testing stme stuff now |
| 07:37.39 | Lukstr | Well at least you're not dealing with Japanese Windows Mobile :) |
| 07:38.27 | DTRemenak | we have not had any japanese folks volunteer to translate yet |
| 07:39.23 | Lukstr | key words were Windows and Mobile :P |
| 07:39.38 | Lukstr | It's not the language so much... |
| 07:39.45 | Lukstr | The problem we had with Japanese |
| 07:39.45 | DTRemenak | we handle windows exactly the same way as every other platform |
| 07:39.52 | DTRemenak | setlocale, utf32 input, utf8 display |
| 07:40.21 | Lukstr | is that some words didn't translate directly, so the japan team would send us very long or differently sized (character length wise) strings which required a lot of hand modification of dialogs and menus |
| 07:40.33 | Lukstr | basically a huge PITA |
| 07:40.39 | DTRemenak | bzflag's menus auto-size to the text ;) |
| 07:41.10 | Lukstr | Microsoft.... is Microsoft :P |
| 07:41.58 | Lukstr | It's not such a big deal when you're working in unconfined space |
| 07:42.13 | Lukstr | on a mobile device, there's not a lot of room to work with, and dialogs are like jigsaw puzzles. |
| 07:43.26 | Lukstr | Hrms. I'm a bit rusty on the C++. |
| 07:43.35 | Lukstr | presses the magic "make everything C" button |
| 07:43.50 | Lukstr | oooh, we could call the button "C--" |
| 07:44.29 | DTRemenak | C++ is good stuff. especially for the work you'll be doing |
| 07:44.32 | DTRemenak | derived classes ftw |
| 07:44.43 | DTRemenak | streams ftw |
| 07:45.08 | Lukstr | oh I'm sure I'll be entirely c++ this summer |
| 07:45.10 | DTRemenak | s/\'ll be/are/ :P |
| 07:45.19 | Lukstr | hah. |
| 07:45.51 | jnd | is there any anticheating project? |
| 07:45.53 | Lukstr | it'll all come back to me. It's the syntaxical bit that needs some refreshing |
| 07:46.22 | DTRemenak | jnd: Constitution's work is directly related to preventing cheats, yes |
| 07:46.55 | jnd | I was on one server, there was hacker who made everyone tk him until he was kicked by server because of those tks |
| 07:47.11 | DTRemenak | I believe that is fixed for 3.0 already |
| 07:47.47 | Lukstr | I really don't understand people who enjoy hacking or griefing or breaking games :( |
| 07:52.19 | DTRemenak | goes to bed |
| 07:54.47 | brlcad | awww, sf changed their file release system |
| 07:55.01 | brlcad | no longer using anonymous ftp incoming uploads |
| 07:55.12 | brlcad | rather liked that |
| 07:55.18 | AAA_awright | didn't |
| 07:55.40 | AAA_awright | Guess it is better then HTTP uploads though |
| 07:56.26 | brlcad | it was simple and real easy to explain |
| 07:57.17 | brlcad | now the instructions are 10x as long and rather OS-specific |
| 07:57.51 | AAA_awright | There really is no easy way to upload large files I guess |
| 07:58.09 | brlcad | at least the dav approach .. sftp option is still "mostly" simple enough |
| 08:00.22 | Lukstr | :( silly sf |
| 08:00.39 | AAA_awright | It doesn't look too bad |
| 08:06.03 | AAA_awright | It isn't any better or worse, just different. Actually, I like the fact it is tied to your account now, and not public. |
| 08:06.54 | brlcad | meh |
| 08:07.13 | AAA_awright | no scp... |
| 08:11.15 | brlcad | given I've had to use that every couple weeks for years, it still seems more like a solution in search of a problem |
| 08:12.06 | brlcad | perhaps their support burden was too high with abuse, and maybe I'd feel differently if I'd *ever* had a problem with it .. but for me at least, it worked just fine |
| 08:12.22 | brlcad | there are other things on sf that really could use the attention more |
| 08:12.45 | AAA_awright | It is one of those fixes "features" that repairs a _potential_ problem. |
| 08:12.49 | brlcad | like a lame task system, unusable wiki |
| 08:13.34 | brlcad | OSS is rarely about being preventive, most projects focus on being responsive |
| 08:13.42 | AAA_awright | the wiki... kinda fail, the docs system needs some UI attention, but it's useable, tasks, lame, but works |
| 08:13.43 | brlcad | screw potential, fix your actuals |
| 08:14.03 | AAA_awright | Exactly |
| 08:14.24 | Lukstr | sf's been going steadily down the tubes for a while now |
| 08:14.27 | brlcad | I know of no project that has sustained use of the tasks or wiki |
| 08:14.35 | AAA_awright | or forums |
| 08:14.42 | AAA_awright | I don't |
| 08:14.58 | brlcad | nah, I know of several that use the forums .. thresholds mildly higher there |
| 08:15.16 | brlcad | they do suck, but they also do work for the layperson |
| 08:15.39 | brlcad | the other two, though, are dev-centric, and more why they fail epicly |
| 08:15.44 | AAA_awright | Wait, I do, I get a few emails a month from the pdf2html project forums |
| 08:17.11 | brlcad | Lukstr: I don't think they've actually gotten any "worse" to say they're "going down the tubes" |
| 08:17.26 | Lukstr | hah, okay well |
| 08:17.33 | Lukstr | they haven't improved much :P |
| 08:17.34 | brlcad | they've gotten better in plenty of ways .. |
| 08:17.36 | AAA_awright | Even fixing some of the HTML and CSS could improve the trackers |
| 08:17.48 | Lukstr | Well they still have a long way to go |
| 08:17.51 | brlcad | they just don't meet a lot of expectations |
| 08:18.09 | brlcad | they're still better in many ways compared to most of the alternative, imo |
| 08:18.19 | AAA_awright | Compared to Google code, which gets so much more right, though it does far less |
| 08:18.42 | brlcad | google code does so much less that I find it almost infuriating |
| 08:18.50 | AAA_awright | The trackers there is awesome though |
| 08:18.55 | javawizard2539 | What does "stack around the variable msg was corrupted" mean? |
| 08:18.56 | brlcad | only useful for one-two man pet projects |
| 08:19.39 | AAA_awright | The wiki is less featured, but more integrated, and keeps the versions in SVN, /wiki/articlename |
| 08:19.46 | AAA_awright | Neat I thought |
| 08:19.48 | brlcad | i'd pick sf's trackers over them any day .. they're just missing too many features even though the interface is mildly better |
| 08:20.34 | brlcad | or trak ftw |
| 08:22.01 | AAA_awright | trak is... interesting. I don't know how well I like it. It seems easier to integrate better things like websvn+flyspray+phpbb+mediawiki |
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| 08:22.57 | javawizard2539 | I swear, as soon as I say something everyone goes quiet :) |
| 08:24.36 | javawizard2539 | Case-in-point |
| 08:25.20 | javawizard2539 | ~karma javawizard2539 |
| 08:25.20 | ibot | javawizard2539 has karma of -13 |
| 08:25.25 | javawizard2539 | ok, I'm still here |
| 08:25.25 | Lukstr | you're just so intimidating |
| 08:25.47 | javawizard2539 | :-P |
| 08:26.09 | javawizard2539 | I cannot for the life of me figure out what it's supposed to mean |
| 08:26.11 | brlcad | AAA_awright: there's a whole lot more to trackers than just bugs, that's where flyspray falls short |
| 08:26.29 | Lukstr | javawizard2539: is that from bzflag? |
| 08:26.34 | AAA_awright | I find it useful for feature requests and such |
| 08:26.48 | javawizard2539 | yes |
| 08:26.50 | brlcad | especially if you really start getting into the business of formalized processes, CMM levels, round-trip accountability |
| 08:27.05 | Lukstr | looks like some weird system stack corruption occured. What reported the error? |
| 08:27.25 | brlcad | things that the Sourceforge trackers can actually be set up (or that Sourceforge Enterprise does for you automatically for a price) |
| 08:27.44 | javawizard2539 | I'm trying to get a client that will start up, connect to a server, take a screenshot, and disconnect |
| 08:27.45 | brlcad | also where google tracking is a massive fail |
| 08:28.06 | javawizard2539 | It was working, but then I modified the appversion to state that it was run by me, and what it is for, and now I'm getting this |
| 08:28.16 | Lukstr | javawizard2539: but where did the error show up. Like, what is saying that |
| 08:28.19 | Lukstr | your terminal? |
| 08:28.32 | javawizard2539 | Here's a screenshot |
| 08:28.34 | javawizard2539 | www.trivergia.com/bzerror.png |
| 08:28.51 | Lukstr | I see the text of that url at that url :P |
| 08:29.19 | javawizard2539 | hmm |
| 08:29.30 | javawizard2539 | Something must be wrong wth my server, hold on a sevc |
| 08:30.09 | javawizard2539 | Ok, it works now |
| 08:30.22 | Lukstr | oh |
| 08:30.24 | Lukstr | VC |
| 08:30.26 | Lukstr | I have no idea |
| 08:30.29 | Lukstr | I know nothing of VC |
| 08:30.31 | Lukstr | :) |
| 08:30.56 | javawizard2539 | Ah well |
| 08:30.58 | javawizard2539 | thanks anyway |
| 08:31.05 | javawizard2539 | Anyone else have any ideas? |
| 08:31.10 | Lukstr | but from that error I guess it means that... |
| 08:31.21 | Lukstr | man, how to explain it without saying the exact thing is hard :P |
| 08:31.30 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 08:31.42 | javawizard2539 | I'm somewhat new to c++ if you can't tell by now :) |
| 08:31.42 | Lukstr | wherever the variable msg is in the stack, around it (before, after) is possibly corrupt |
| 08:31.53 | javawizard2539 | hmm |
| 08:31.58 | javawizard2539 | Any idea what could have caused it |
| 08:31.59 | Lukstr | so, |
| 08:32.00 | javawizard2539 | ? |
| 08:32.04 | Lukstr | buffer overflow? |
| 08:32.13 | javawizard2539 | ? |
| 08:32.23 | Lukstr | somehow ruining the stack |
| 08:32.31 | Lukstr | is it reoccurring? |
| 08:32.33 | brlcad | there are msg vars all throughout the code, that's not really informative |
| 08:32.35 | javawizard2539 | So many new concepts that I've never heard before using java |
| 08:33.09 | Lukstr | what happens if you hit ignore? |
| 08:33.15 | brlcad | heh |
| 08:33.25 | javawizard2539 | It works fine after that |
| 08:33.29 | Lukstr | haha |
| 08:33.42 | javawizard2539 | just that the rest of my application isn't expecting an ignore button, so it throws the whole thing out of whack |
| 08:33.48 | Lukstr | :P |
| 08:33.57 | Lukstr | don't run it in debug |
| 08:34.13 | javawizard2539 | How do I do that? |
| 08:34.30 | Lukstr | just execute the executable the good ol' fashion way |
| 08:35.00 | Lukstr | well I hope that D/C was unrelated... :P |
| 08:35.02 | brlcad | i recall dtr saying yesterday that DEBUG build wasn't working atm |
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| 08:35.18 | Lukstr | ah |
| 08:35.47 | Lukstr | well, if I hope to make tomorrow productive in any manner, I should probably try the sleep I hear so much about |
| 08:36.04 | Lukstr | otherwise I'll miss all the sun again |
| 08:36.33 | Lukstr | wanders off |
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| 08:37.26 | javawizard2539 | Why does my connection keep getting reset? |
| 08:39.37 | javawizard2539 | ~karma javawizard2539 |
| 08:39.37 | ibot | javawizard2539 has karma of -13 |
| 08:39.42 | javawizard2539 | ok, i'm still here |
| 08:39.44 | AAA_awright | Laters |
| 08:53.08 | javawizard2539 | Is there any way to get it to compile in such a way that it just ignores messages like that? |
| 08:55.12 | javawizard2539 | ok, it works now |
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| 08:56.49 | brlcad | javawizard2539: likely something your router/switch/OS/ISP is doing, in that order of high-to-low probability |
| 08:57.31 | brlcad | worth investigating/fixing, does get annoying :) |
| 08:57.55 | brlcad | upgrading your router's firmware can do wonders sometimes |
| 08:58.10 | javawizard2539 | I need to |
| 08:58.22 | javawizard2539 | I'm using a router that's around 7 years old |
| 08:58.26 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 08:58.43 | ruskie | brlcad, erm... you are aware that certain ISPs just LOVE sending RST packets? so I'd put that at the high end... |
| 08:58.48 | javawizard2539 | Which probably explains that and why I can't stay connected as an observer for more than 2 minutes |
| 08:58.53 | javawizard2539 | like comcast |
| 08:58.57 | javawizard2539 | which I'm using |
| 09:00.48 | brlcad | ruskie: except he's on comcast, which doesn't anywhere afaik .. else there'd be more than a dozen in this channel alone that'd be resetting, thousands across all the network, and that simply isn't happening |
| 09:01.15 | ruskie | brlcad, erm... comcast is the one that started it all |
| 09:01.59 | ruskie | maybe they see the bzflag traffic a lot like torrent traffic |
| 09:03.42 | brlcad | true, but I'd still suspect/inspect his router before blindly blaming someone else :) |
| 09:05.29 | brlcad | historically, 9/10ths of the time it's the users own fault for one reason or another |
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| 11:50.26 | spldart | Everyone bright eyed and bushy tailed? :-D |
| 11:58.28 | Manu | morning spldart :) |
| 12:04.02 | spldart | :-) |
| 12:04.27 | spldart | pokes the students just to be a nuisance :) |
| 12:06.24 | jorgenpt | spldart: Sounds like something you'd say about a kitty :o |
| 12:07.21 | spldart | Poke the kitty? Sounds kinky. |
| 12:07.29 | jorgenpt | Not poke, bushy tailed! |
| 12:07.42 | spldart | Or squirels :) |
| 12:07.46 | jorgenpt | Yeah |
| 12:08.29 | jorgenpt | Dang, none of the projects are about moving game stuff to game / 3d stuff to 3d? ;p |
| 12:12.05 | spldart | That might be a little to logical. |
| 12:12.38 | jorgenpt | 'tis just the little nudge that might get me enough motivated to free some time for bzrobots. I should really be doing it myself. :) |
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| 12:35.52 | spldart | slightly dreads goin to work today :( |
| 12:36.03 | ruskie | why? |
| 12:36.35 | spldart | I've got some difficult units to work on today. And the manufacturer isn't helping much. |
| 12:37.05 | spldart | But the + side is it's just barely cool enough to bother wearing my hoodie for the first time. |
| 12:37.11 | spldart | on the motorcycle |
| 12:37.19 | ruskie | to hot around here |
| 12:37.22 | spldart | bzflag hoodie for the win |
| 12:37.23 | ruskie | 26+ supposedly |
| 12:37.48 | spldart | We are hitting 94f this afternoon :-/ |
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| 14:38.19 | SpazzyMcGee | My T-Shirt just arrived. Looks great, cheers Jeff. |
| 14:39.07 | SpazzyMcGee | Package was a bit battered on the way over ;) |
| 14:39.21 | whodaman | Jeff isn't here :p |
| 14:40.30 | SpazzyMcGee | oh, well |
| 14:48.16 | donny_baker | SpazzyMcGee: just as long as it didn't get wet... thats a big pond it has to cross :) |
| 14:48.33 | donny_baker | what color did you get? |
| 14:49.33 | SpazzyMcGee | Oceana |
| 14:52.06 | donny_baker | cool, my next one (if there is a next) will be a lighter color like that |
| 14:53.42 | L4m3r | is wearing his metro blue shirt right now :P |
| 14:54.53 | spldart | wore his black hoodie to work today |
| 14:55.06 | L4m3r | heh |
| 14:55.25 | L4m3r | I've been using my hoody at night; it's been too warm during the day |
| 15:02.30 | spldart | Twas cool this morn cuz of overnight rains.. And I ride a motorcycle to work. Meh.. I had to find a readon to wear it :-) |
| 15:02.39 | spldart | s/readon/reason |
| 15:04.05 | whodaman | hm |
| 15:04.21 | whodaman | Is there a reason why one can't select the servers or anything else in the menu by using the mouse? |
| 15:05.07 | blast007 | whodaman: because nobody has code that |
| 15:05.11 | blast007 | coded* |
| 15:05.18 | blast007 | patches welcome ;) |
| 15:05.26 | whodaman | harhar |
| 15:05.36 | whodaman | ok then :) |
| 15:05.46 | whodaman | maybe something that can be done for 3.0 |
| 15:05.51 | whodaman | if somebody feels up for it, that is |
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| 16:11.31 | Paul_PL | hello all |
| 16:12.31 | whodaman | yo |
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| 16:24.39 | spldart | Hi diddily |
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| 16:39.56 | donny_baker | important changes coming to freenode: http://blog.freenode.net/?p=80 |
| 16:41.18 | donny_baker | ~blast007++ |
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| 16:42.58 | JeffM | pappa's got a brand new bag! |
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| 17:30.09 | JeffM | brlcad, ping |
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| 18:03.33 | JeffM | ok the store has a new shipping option |
| 18:03.35 | JeffM | "zone" rate |
| 18:03.53 | JeffM | it works for one or two items and is cheaper then the computed USPS rate |
| 18:04.02 | JeffM | cus I shove it in a flat rate envelope |
| 18:10.17 | JeffM | since the USPS won't automaticly compute flat rage envelopes anymore :( |
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| 18:17.17 | ruskie | erm... |
| 18:17.32 | JeffM | rate not rage |
| 18:17.44 | JeffM | tho I hear they have some rage :) |
| 18:17.51 | Erroneous | mails out a bunch of envelopes of rage |
| 18:18.03 | ruskie | so basicaly it's still flat rate... just not automatic or what? |
| 18:18.03 | JeffM | flat RAGE |
| 18:18.13 | ruskie | Erroneous, hmmm that'd be nasty... |
| 18:18.16 | Thumper_ | envelopes are flat by definition |
| 18:18.19 | JeffM | ruskie, basicly they upgraded there system |
| 18:18.34 | Erroneous | Thumper_: naw, I bet some are sharp |
| 18:18.38 | JeffM | they used to compute the prices for the flat rate envelope for shipments under 1lb |
| 18:18.45 | Thumper_ | sharp...but still flat |
| 18:18.46 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 18:18.47 | JeffM | now they use the package rates for all shipments |
| 18:18.48 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:18.53 | JeffM | the flat rate is cheaper |
| 18:19.05 | ruskie | ahh |
| 18:19.08 | JeffM | so I added a new item that will use the flat rate |
| 18:19.29 | JeffM | before they hiked up, people were using the flat rate |
| 18:19.31 | brlcad | JeffM: pong? |
| 18:19.52 | JeffM | brlcad, did .bz get a 30something gig inbound bandwith spike on 5/2/08? |
| 18:20.02 | brlcad | looks |
| 18:20.14 | JeffM | like peg to over 3g/s for a bit |
| 18:20.36 | JeffM | we did, and Erroneous things it was internal so I wonderd if they had something that spammed the racks |
| 18:21.11 | brlcad | wishes they'd disable my.sago so he'd stop going to it |
| 18:21.16 | JeffM | ruskie, basicly under there new system, they want to charge 24$ to send a t-shirt to europe cus they treat it like a package. |
| 18:21.31 | JeffM | where I can send it in the flat rate envelope for 12$ |
| 18:21.46 | Erroneous | considering that that's around 10x our usual inbound monthly transfer it was a bit odd to get it all in <10 minutes |
| 18:22.27 | brlcad | no spike on 5/2 |
| 18:22.38 | JeffM | musta just been us |
| 18:22.39 | JeffM | odd |
| 18:22.53 | JeffM | you see the bandwith deal they have going on now |
| 18:22.59 | brlcad | i do see four spikes over the past month, nothing out of the ordinary |
| 18:23.06 | JeffM | prety good deal if ether of us actualy went OVER the limits |
| 18:24.11 | JeffM | oh well |
| 18:24.14 | JeffM | we'll just have to watch it |
| 18:24.14 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/tmp/may.png |
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| 18:24.30 | JeffM | wow you do a lot more out then we do :) |
| 18:24.36 | brlcad | spikes happen, ddos hits |
| 18:25.14 | brlcad | and/or botnets |
| 18:25.41 | brlcad | that's still way under quota, not even 20% |
| 18:25.45 | JeffM | it was just odd to me to see 7.45gig out, 36.61gig in |
| 18:26.30 | JeffM | brlcad, did you get your hoodie and hat? |
| 18:26.32 | SpazzyMcGee | Jeff, My T-shirt came, it's great. |
| 18:26.38 | brlcad | yep, it arrived |
| 18:26.41 | brlcad | at least so I was told |
| 18:26.43 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, cool |
| 18:26.47 | brlcad | still haven't seen it though, I'll see it on sat |
| 18:27.01 | JeffM | brlcad, there is a book in there of all the other crap they sell :) |
| 18:27.19 | brlcad | okay |
| 18:27.41 | JeffM | tho the store has gone silent of late |
| 18:27.49 | brlcad | Erroneous: did you catch a netstat ? |
| 18:29.10 | brlcad | yay!! .. "SET UNFILTERED has been removed" |
| 18:29.29 | Erroneous | naw, didn't even notice it until a couple days ago |
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| 18:30.44 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/tmp/may22008.png |
| 18:30.59 | JeffM | I wonder if it' was just a reporting glitch |
| 18:31.32 | Erroneous | could ask them I suppose |
| 18:31.47 | JeffM | it's not going to cost me extra |
| 18:32.17 | brlcad | the metering happens at the switch |
| 18:32.27 | brlcad | iirc |
| 18:32.45 | JeffM | foods |
| 18:34.09 | brlcad | Erroneous: anything found on the filesystem that someone maybe uploaded? |
| 18:34.18 | Erroneous | nope |
| 18:34.31 | Erroneous | we're only using like 11gb total |
| 18:34.40 | Erroneous | no room there for a 36gb upload :) |
| 18:34.48 | blast007 | only this NotARootKit file, which looks innocent enoug |
| 18:34.51 | brlcad | I don't see how inbound could spike that high |
| 18:34.54 | blast007 | enough* |
| 18:35.07 | Erroneous | yeah, the spike actually goes over the interface's rated capability |
| 18:35.24 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:35.34 | Erroneous | but I'm assuming they measure it at the router, so it could be they dropped or delayed part of it |
| 18:35.55 | brlcad | especially if you're on a 100baseT line .. |
| 18:37.02 | Erroneous | yeah, looks like it (media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX <full-duplex>)) |
| 18:38.08 | brlcad | oh, lemme check new server.. it's on 100 |
| 18:39.22 | brlcad | heh, no spike whatsoever.. 30k peak |
| 18:39.37 | Tupone | once I found a spike in my server, and was due to scripties trying a lot of usernames. I did a filter with iptables and problem gone |
| 18:40.13 | brlcad | Tupone: I can't imagine 36 GB(!) of spike from login attempts.. with no outbound |
| 18:40.38 | Erroneous | and I'd get a rather large security log from that too ;) |
| 18:41.09 | Tupone | 36 GB outbound in 1 day? |
| 18:41.24 | Erroneous | inbound |
| 18:41.30 | Erroneous | in less than an hour |
| 18:42.27 | Tupone | I guess is UDP traffic |
| 19:01.29 | brlcad | ~Flash++ |
| 19:07.57 | JeffM | Erroneous, I only paid for the 10meg link |
| 19:08.05 | JeffM | not the 100 |
| 19:08.14 | Erroneous | it's plugged into a 100 and active |
| 19:08.19 | JeffM | hah |
| 19:08.31 | Erroneous | might be clamped at the router but it's on a 100 port |
| 19:08.49 | JeffM | yeah I'd imagine it's a soft lock if anything |
| 19:08.50 | brlcad | sweet |
| 19:09.00 | Erroneous | that was the autosense data |
| 19:11.44 | brlcad | now that you mention it, they did "backbill" me bandwidth a year or two ago when metering was off for a few days |
| 19:12.02 | brlcad | but they also notified me beforehand and there was a void so it was obvious |
| 19:28.29 | JeffM | noone wants to buy the last hat? |
| 19:28.45 | Winny | hmm |
| 19:28.52 | Winny | how much would shipping be? |
| 19:29.01 | JeffM | oh Winny I did find hats in the book that you'd like |
| 19:29.12 | JeffM | they are strectcy and have no hole |
| 19:29.23 | JeffM | come in 2 sizes |
| 19:29.38 | JeffM | Winny, probably like 10$ish for you |
| 19:29.40 | Winny | has a giant head |
| 19:29.44 | JeffM | heh |
| 19:30.16 | JeffM | once brlcad looks at the book I'd like to make some more hats and polo shirts |
| 19:30.43 | donny_baker | i could go for a polo shirt |
| 19:30.50 | JeffM | you own a polo shirt! |
| 19:31.03 | donny_baker | oh yeah.. well you can never have too many you know |
| 19:31.04 | JeffM | you own THE bzflag polo shirt |
| 19:31.19 | JeffM | have you washed it yet? |
| 19:31.19 | Winny | hehe |
| 19:31.32 | donny_baker | not yet, this weekend |
| 19:31.38 | JeffM | I'm curious how it holds up |
| 19:31.41 | JeffM | it feels light |
| 19:31.48 | JeffM | but I think that may be it's design |
| 19:31.53 | JeffM | "silk feel" kinda thing |
| 19:32.03 | donny_baker | i have a shirt of the same brand and it does ok |
| 19:32.14 | JeffM | cool |
| 19:32.22 | Thumper_ | watches JeffM update the store page: silk polo shirt (and ups the price accordingly) |
| 19:32.33 | donny_baker | but i will let you know if this is different, but i don't expect it to |
| 19:32.39 | JeffM | Thumper_, it wasn't silk :) |
| 19:32.40 | Winny | egyption cotton :P |
| 19:33.02 | Thumper_ | JeffM: Yeah but it feels liks silk... close enough ;) |
| 19:33.28 | JeffM | after brlcad looks at the book I'll put some more pre-order pages up if we want to do polos |
| 19:33.41 | JeffM | thankfully those can be in as small of a run as we want |
| 19:33.51 | Thumper_ | an orange one? :) |
| 19:34.19 | JeffM | yep |
| 19:34.23 | JeffM | Texas Orange :) |
| 19:35.41 | JeffM | pink, bark, green, hibiscus, banana, stone, dark green, burgnudy,white, royal, red, black, light blue, gray, navy,gold,mint,eggplant,light stone, coffie, mediterranean blue, texas orange, steel gray, and tropical pink. |
| 19:37.37 | Lukstr | nice |
| 19:37.53 | Winny | all of them on one supershirt! |
| 19:39.01 | JeffM | hey |
| 19:39.06 | JeffM | heh |
| 19:39.39 | JeffM | they'd run about 18$ for the normal sizes, and 24$ for the tall |
| 19:40.04 | JeffM | donny_baker got the beta test discount :) |
| 19:40.10 | Thumper_ | :) |
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| 19:41.29 | donny_baker | :) |
| 19:41.47 | donny_baker | welcome back ChanServ |
| 19:42.04 | JeffM | Winny, this would be like the hat that has no hole http://www.clothing4all.com/prod-Ping_Stretch_Fit_Hats_PH01-1293.aspx |
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| 19:59.14 | Lukstr | JeffM: so paypal won't accept a last name of GSOC 2007 STUDENT nor a first name that's all numbers :P |
| 19:59.39 | JeffM | umm yeah use your real name man :) |
| 19:59.55 | Lukstr | doesn't work :/ |
| 20:00.06 | JeffM | your real name dosn't work? |
| 20:00.08 | Lukstr | s/2007/2008/ |
| 20:00.13 | Lukstr | correct |
| 20:00.17 | JeffM | your real name does not have a number in it |
| 20:00.29 | Lukstr | Oh, no I mean |
| 20:00.38 | blast007 | Sir Lukstr the 5th. |
| 20:00.38 | Lukstr | Oh |
| 20:00.40 | Lukstr | it worked this time |
| 20:00.46 | Lukstr | last three times I tried my actual name |
| 20:00.51 | JeffM | why are you putting SOC into paypal? |
| 20:00.53 | Lukstr | it said it couldn't be processed and to check details |
| 20:01.08 | Lukstr | but now it worked |
| 20:01.59 | Lukstr | shirt purchased |
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| 20:07.07 | ruskie | hmm interesting... bzflag runs way better on the eeepc when I set quality to experimental... |
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| 20:09.37 | Winny | woo, lunch |
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| 20:29.33 | Winny | come on, if lego is going to release a product that can be programmed, at least make it support arrays |
| 20:29.35 | Winny | that's just lame |
| 20:30.11 | whodaman | Winny, lego? |
| 20:30.24 | Winny | No, elephants |
| 20:30.28 | Winny | ...of course lego |
| 20:30.46 | F687s | With what? QBasic?! |
| 20:31.04 | Winny | no, C |
| 20:31.40 | Lukstr | winny: does it support pointers? |
| 20:32.14 | Winny | not sure |
| 20:32.16 | F687s | Lukstr: I sure hope not. Ever seen robotics segfault? |
| 20:32.20 | F687s | *boom* |
| 20:32.45 | Lukstr | lol |
| 20:32.45 | Lukstr | well if you can make pointers than you have your array right there |
| 20:32.45 | Lukstr | otherwise that's hilarious and lame |
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| 20:55.42 | JeffM | brlcad, any more work on an org? |
| 20:59.33 | Constitution | JeffM: in the greater non-existant vast scheme of things, the collision lib should be incorporated into libgame, right? |
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| 21:13.39 | JeffM | Constitution, for now sure, but I'd like it to be as modular as possible |
| 21:13.52 | JeffM | since I'd like it to be in the as yet to exist, libState later ;) |
| 21:17.23 | Mets | JeffM: is r17323 the font fix for ftgl and 1680x1050? I can test it now if you want |
| 21:17.56 | JeffM | I dunno |
| 21:18.02 | JeffM | ask Erroneous |
| 21:18.11 | Erroneous | hm? |
| 21:18.16 | Erroneous | I have not made any fix for that issue |
| 21:18.29 | Mets | k it seemed likea related file so I thought I'd ask |
| 21:19.07 | Erroneous | don't have a machine I can dupe it on for one thing, and it's probably a bug in the font or in freetype anyway |
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| 21:21.44 | Mets | alrighty, well if you need a computer to test stuff on with that resolution, let me know |
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| 21:57.20 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17324 10/trunk/bzflag/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: don't crash if we're not able to create a font |
| 21:57.43 | Erroneous | Mets: that should avoid your crash |
| 21:57.48 | Erroneous | some of the text won't render |
| 21:58.01 | Erroneous | 'cause it can't load that particular font at that size |
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| 22:19.25 | JeffM | thanks Erroneous for adding to his ohloh stats :) |
| 22:19.34 | Erroneous | hah |
| 22:20.03 | Erroneous | you do fine without it, what with the cheese whiz and all ;) |
| 22:20.14 | Winny | how is that pronounced? "oh low"? |
| 22:20.23 | Lukstr | oh el oh? |
| 22:20.33 | Lukstr | I always thought of it as "lol" backwards |
| 22:20.34 | JeffM | brlcad, said that one didn't count |
| 22:20.46 | Erroneous | oh, really? |
| 22:20.57 | Erroneous | well anyway, you commit plenty :) |
| 22:21.03 | JeffM | not lately |
| 22:21.37 | Erroneous | and you have a branch that will probably be merged back at some point, that won't be counted in your stats |
| 22:21.50 | Erroneous | unless they get branch stats working |
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| 22:50.53 | Mets | Erroneous: that fixed it |
| 22:50.56 | Mets | thanks JeffM |
| 22:51.07 | Mets | it seems to render everything |
| 22:51.17 | Constitution | ~whodaman-++ |
| 23:01.43 | Erroneous | Mets: if you get into a game, the time in the upper-right won't render, for instance |
| 23:02.01 | Erroneous | likewise the self-score label in the upper left and the active flag label |
| 23:02.09 | Erroneous | but then, maybe they never have for you ;) |
| 23:02.23 | Mets | lol, actually i guess they haven't |
| 23:03.23 | Mets | that's kinda weird, i don't know why it's so picky about that resolution |
| 23:03.40 | Erroneous | it's the only resolution that tries to load that size of glyph from the font file |
| 23:03.46 | Erroneous | and that size is broken |
| 23:03.50 | Mets | oh |
| 23:03.55 | Mets | yeah that would explain it |
| 23:04.01 | Mets | how is that size broken? |
| 23:04.14 | Erroneous | corrupt glyph table afaict |
| 23:04.24 | Mets | hmm |
| 23:04.26 | Erroneous | you can set a different serifFont if you want |
| 23:04.55 | Erroneous | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.20 | Erroneous | that'll tell it to use a somewhat different font (which coincidentally is not broken) for those labels |
| 23:06.00 | Erroneous | if you do it while you're ingame you should see the difference right away (assuming my dynamically-localized-font stuff worked correctly) |
| 23:06.02 | Mets | yeah that just displayed everything |
| 23:06.15 | Mets | yup it did, changed the font, everything displayed |
| 23:06.20 | Erroneous | sweet |
| 23:06.20 | Mets | honestly it looks pretty similar |
| 23:06.25 | Mets | the fonts |
| 23:06.34 | Erroneous | yeah, they're very similar faces, but with different line-spacing |
| 23:07.13 | Mets | what is the name of the default font? |
| 23:07.28 | Erroneous | TogaSansBold |
| 23:07.39 | Erroneous | err TogaSerifBold |
| 23:07.49 | Erroneous | sans is for the menus primarily |
| 23:08.06 | Erroneous | serif for HUD status labels |
| 23:08.22 | Erroneous | console (mono) for scoreboard/control panel |
| 23:08.43 | Mets | yeah it looks very familiar |
| 23:10.24 | Erroneous | for what we use serif for we could probably switch with no problems. sans looks pretty different because of the line spacing though |
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| 23:28.04 | Mets | spldart: the mirror on war towers looks really cool with the new mountains |
| 23:28.19 | spldart | hehe |
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| 23:32.24 | Erroneous | reflections are a little bit broken on that map, at least on experimental - the shot lights shine though the mirror and draw the grass on the ground |
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| 23:37.21 | Atlas | menotume? |
| 23:39.28 | Atlas | any here that can talk on bzf.guleague.org willing to relay a message for me? |
| 23:39.29 | spldart | I have a nack for breaking things |
| 23:41.46 | Constitution | Atlas: sure, what? |
| 23:42.12 | Atlas | id like to contest tank 52 because me and bart are close to a tie score wise - if he has time can he play a game |
| 23:42.41 | Constitution | if you don't have talk on the league server how will you be able to match? |
| 23:42.56 | Atlas | on the 1vs1 i talk just fine |
| 23:42.59 | Atlas | neven on quol |
| 23:43.06 | Atlas | nbut on guleague for some reason i can't |
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| 23:43.25 | Atlas | its the 1vs1 tourney |
| 23:44.55 | Atlas | he's carrying the flag right now - preferably not at an inopurtune time to get him ekilled |
| 23:45.23 | Atlas | oops that was can |
| 23:45.36 | Atlas | muroto |
| 23:51.31 | Atlas | ? |
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| 23:57.45 | JeffM | Mets, I didn't fix it, I just put my laptop on Erroneous's desk |
| 23:58.27 | Mets | ah, well thanks Erroneous :) |
