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| 03:58.20 | AlexanderLAW | hello |
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| 04:39.35 | spldart | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m7e70f649 |
| 04:40.34 | spldart | that's at rev 17138 |
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| 04:52.38 | Lukstr | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2327/2043654975_2ca729fc9d.jpg |
| 04:52.39 | Lukstr | er |
| 04:52.42 | Lukstr | ignore that |
| 04:58.34 | brlcad | spldart: looks like a stale build system |
| 04:58.41 | brlcad | needing some autogen.sh love |
| 05:00.58 | spldart | hehe :) |
| 05:02.36 | AlexanderLAW | brlcad: hi, we discussed Unicode support two days ago, I've submitted a patch, what should i do next do get it applied? |
| 05:03.11 | brlcad | AlexanderLAW: just patience, I was reviewing it already |
| 05:03.12 | AlexanderLAW | is there a need to discuss proposed changes? |
| 05:03.20 | AlexanderLAW | thanks |
| 05:03.47 | brlcad | not yet |
| 05:04.07 | AlexanderLAW | i've almost completed russian .po and found no issues in the localized UI |
| 05:04.19 | brlcad | yeah, I saw your commnets |
| 05:04.32 | brlcad | my first pass through, it mostly all looked just fine |
| 05:05.26 | AlexanderLAW | for now i found only one place where string printed not through getLocalString |
| 05:06.03 | AlexanderLAW | i'am going propose corresponing patch when finish translation |
| 05:06.11 | AlexanderLAW | thanks again, have a good time |
| 05:06.32 | brlcad | if you would, if you don't hear anything in a few days, ping again |
| 05:09.15 | AlexanderLAW | no problem, I'll wait, it's just my first experience and i don't know yet how all this organized |
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| 05:14.14 | sms2 | does anyone know how to get in touch with rio_dj_narrow? |
| 05:14.40 | think_tank | send him a private message on the BZ forums. |
| 05:16.38 | sms2 | I'm trying to look him up on the forums... It won't find him. :( |
| 05:17.28 | think_tank | Click "find username" |
| 05:17.35 | think_tank | or rather, "find a username" |
| 05:17.37 | sms2 | "find a user" button on the private |
| 05:17.52 | sms2 | case sensitive? |
| 05:17.58 | think_tank | no |
| 05:18.06 | think_tank | the name is "rio_dj_narrow" |
| 05:18.31 | think_tank | You can just type that into the username field (without the quotation marks) and then fill out the message to him |
| 05:20.33 | sms2 | ok... I'll just try sending it without a lookup |
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| 05:27.07 | spldart | getting alot of error's in 3d_debug portion of build testing a windows vc8 build |
| 05:27.32 | spldart | meh.. ditch that last word.. tis redundant |
| 05:27.59 | spldart | I gotta be up in 4.5 hours.. time to go to bed |
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| 05:47.41 | sms2 | think_tank: thanks, just sending it without the lookup seems tho have worked. |
| 05:48.05 | think_tank | ur welcome |
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| 06:09.53 | Flash | brlcad: make[3]: *** No rule to make target `src/FTBitmapGlyph.cpp', needed by `FTBitmapGlyph.lo'. Stop. |
| 06:10.26 | Constitution | Flash: re-autogen |
| 06:10.34 | Flash | trying that now |
| 06:12.42 | Flash | configure: error: GLU library could not be found, please specify its location with --with-gl-lib. If this still fails, please contact henryj@paradise.net.nz, include the string FTGL somewhere in the subject line and provide a copy of the config.log file that was left behind. |
| 06:13.30 | Flash | do I need a new OpenGL version? |
| 06:14.43 | sms2 | flash: I assume Linux? |
| 06:14.48 | Flash | OS X |
| 06:17.30 | sms2 | I don't know where your opengl libraries are on OS X, I'd try something like... find / -name glu.h |
| 06:17.58 | sms2 | then run configure with --with-gl-lib= whatever you found from the find. |
| 06:18.04 | Flash | configure reported finding glu.h, it's just the library it couldn't find |
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| 06:21.12 | sms2 | oh... yeah, sounds like if it's possible to re-install your opengl... I'd do it. |
| 06:24.21 | sms2 | other things you could look for libGL* or libglx* ... and force it to look in those directories. |
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| 06:46.27 | Flash | catay: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1957744&group_id=3248&atid=303248 at your leisure |
| 06:46.45 | Flash | BulletCatcher: you've been interested in it too, so let me know what you think |
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| 07:28.18 | BulletCatcher | Thanks, Flash. I'll look at it tomorrow. |
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| 09:51.25 | sam | Flash: can you paste your config.log somewhere? |
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| 11:48.44 | spldart | anyone know why 'Don't kill me im a beginer' joins every servers and says... don't kill me? |
| 11:51.16 | ruskie | cause he's an idiot? |
| 11:51.35 | spldart | to ban or not to ban. That is the question |
| 11:52.49 | ruskie | if stupidity was a crime most people would be in jail... |
| 11:52.55 | ruskie | so I'd say no :) |
| 11:53.42 | spldart | I had forgotten that saying/pun :-) |
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| 12:16.02 | Manu | spldart: it's the don't kill me tactic ;) |
| 12:21.15 | ruskie | I don't kill you you don't kill me.. I can live with that :) |
| 12:21.54 | Manu | ruskie: nah, the tactic is you don't kill him and when you are around him, he does kill you :-p |
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| 12:50.38 | Flash | sam: http://flash.pastebin.ca/1008071 (note: I ran configure --enable-debug --with-gl-lib=... from the BZFlag top level) |
| 12:56.56 | brlcad | Flash: it's not a matter of flags, the opengl check isn't very robust there yet |
| 12:58.52 | spldart | Well... someone showed up and killed him over and over till he left |
| 13:14.40 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1048 10/trunk/m4/gl.m4: don't need to check for glu if we have the mac opengl framework |
| 13:22.43 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1049 10/trunk/src/FTFont/FTFont.cpp: quell warnings, reorder initializations |
| 13:23.46 | brlcad | Flash: try that |
| 13:23.52 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r17139 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ftgl/ (34 files in 3 dirs): sync with upstream through r1049, get mac glu fix |
| 13:33.21 | spldart | time for morning commute :-/ |
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| 14:52.21 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1050 10/trunk/src/FTFont/ (FTFont.cpp FTFontImpl.h): * Rename FTFontImpl::base to FTFontImpl::intf. |
| 14:52.59 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1051 10/trunk/src/FTFont/ (FTTextureFont.cpp FTTextureFontImpl.h): |
| 14:52.59 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * Rename FTTextureFontImpl::MakeGlyph to FTTextureFontImpl::MakeGlyphImpl to |
| 14:52.59 | CIA-33 | FTGL: avoid confusion. |
| 14:55.19 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1052 10/trunk/src/ (34 files in 4 dirs): |
| 14:55.19 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * Refactor FTGlyph, FTFont and FTLayout so that client applications can |
| 14:55.19 | CIA-33 | FTGL: hopefully subclass them. |
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| 17:19.20 | brlcad | ~blast007++ |
| 18:31.00 | BulletCatcher | Flash: See http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m10fcd7fa for the error in compiling src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx after applying SF patch 1957744. |
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| 18:48.58 | awilcox | spldart: ping. |
| 18:49.10 | spldart | pong |
| 18:49.19 | Winny | awilcox!!!!!! |
| 18:49.22 | Winny | yay :D |
| 18:49.38 | awilcox | spldart: where is Pogo >_< we were supposed to meet on Sunday, it's now Monday. |
| 18:49.54 | awilcox | Winny!!!! long time no see, how goes it in Canada? |
| 18:50.06 | spldart | I didnt know that... She was sick sunday.. Slept nearly the entire day through. |
| 18:50.12 | Winny | We still have igloos |
| 18:50.16 | Gilly | is canada excited about the hockey tourney? |
| 18:50.16 | Winny | and polarbears |
| 18:50.42 | awilcox | spldart: argh. so I guess this means I won't be meeting her today, either :p do you have any idea when she might be well? |
| 18:50.45 | spldart | I've been a bit ill lately myself.. but can't sit still |
| 18:51.00 | awilcox | Winny: heh, fun. I have almost 80 F right here in sunny Florida |
| 18:51.07 | Winny | :) |
| 18:51.11 | spldart | she's a bit better.. she gets off work @ 2:30 and will prolly be home 3:30 Cenral |
| 18:51.17 | awilcox | Winny: I'd much rather have igloos :( |
| 18:51.23 | Winny | indeed |
| 18:51.31 | awilcox | spldart: erm. it's 2:48 |
| 18:51.37 | awilcox | spldart: oh, Central, duh >_< |
| 18:51.42 | spldart | hehe |
| 18:51.44 | spldart | 1:48 |
| 18:51.49 | spldart | errr |
| 18:51.55 | spldart | 1:50 |
| 18:51.56 | spldart | hehe |
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| 18:52.22 | spldart | I'll give her a reminder in case she forgot later |
| 18:52.25 | awilcox | yeah this computer is three minutes slow of the USGS atomic clock. but I've calibrated...er...my life...to be three minutes fast because of it. |
| 18:52.48 | spldart | heh |
| 18:53.05 | awilcox | spldart: eh, it's quite alright. if she's still sick then I don't want to disturb her |
| 18:53.20 | awilcox | it's best if she just gets her rest so she can be all well and thinking clearly. |
| 18:53.23 | spldart | Like I said.. she's well enough to work. |
| 18:53.32 | spldart | oki doki |
| 18:53.51 | awilcox | I remember trying to write kernel code while 'doped up' on cough medicine :P that was quite...interesting code |
| 18:53.56 | Gilly | From the 1vs1 tourney site : Prizes: bz flag t-shirt, bz flag mousepad, bz flag coffee mug. Winner choses first, then second and third. |
| 18:54.05 | Gilly | like third had something to choose from |
| 18:54.13 | awilcox | Gilly: Lol. |
| 18:54.23 | awilcox | Gilly: they prolly mean each one gets their choice of the three....right? |
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| 18:54.33 | Gilly | no :) |
| 18:54.46 | Gilly | then the choosing order wouldn't matter, would it? |
| 18:54.48 | awilcox | Ooh. BZFlag coffee mug?! |
| 18:54.53 | Gilly | yea i want that one |
| 18:55.05 | Gilly | too cool to be true |
| 18:55.11 | awilcox | you can never have too many coffee mugs ^_^ |
| 18:55.18 | Gilly | that's true |
| 18:55.24 | Gilly | though i prefer tea |
| 18:55.39 | Gilly | but coffee mug is okay for drinking tea too |
| 18:55.42 | awilcox | I prefer vitaminwater...but you can pour any drink into a coffee mug :p |
| 18:55.59 | Gilly | yup |
| 18:56.10 | awilcox | and do people even use mousepads anymore, what with all these fancy optical mice? |
| 18:56.19 | Gilly | i do :P |
| 18:56.27 | awilcox | ah |
| 18:56.29 | spldart | I do |
| 18:56.35 | Gilly | though it's very old and the cover is starting to crack apart |
| 18:56.38 | awilcox | waits for his purple shirt :P |
| 18:57.25 | awilcox | my mum uses a mouse pad at her home computer. and it never made sense to me, because she has a trackball O_o |
| 18:57.33 | Gilly | :D |
| 18:57.54 | Gilly | maybe it's a matter of style? |
| 18:57.57 | awilcox | that trackball _owns_ too. |
| 18:58.11 | Gilly | :) i've never used trackball |
| 18:58.14 | awilcox | Gilly: yeah, probably. |
| 18:58.34 | Gilly | actually i don't think trackballs have been very popular at any point in Finland |
| 18:58.49 | awilcox | I used to have a mousepad but when I got my new compy I decided to not use it anymore |
| 18:58.50 | awilcox | whoa |
| 18:58.56 | Gilly | can't think of any Finnish person from top of my head that used a trackball |
| 18:59.05 | awilcox | I accidentally hit control and when I hit backspace it deleted the whole word O_O |
| 18:59.14 | Gilly | oh :) |
| 18:59.24 | Gilly | aw gad |
| 18:59.27 | Gilly | ops :D |
| 18:59.40 | awilcox | ops? |
| 18:59.41 | Gilly | i pressed ctrl - shift - d to try to delete a large part away |
| 18:59.50 | Gilly | but it's return of course |
| 18:59.54 | Gilly | well i wanted to delete whole words too :D |
| 18:59.57 | Gilly | ctrl backspace wouldn't work |
| 18:59.59 | awilcox | hehe |
| 19:00.02 | Gilly | ops meaning oops |
| 19:00.04 | awilcox | Gilly: what OS? |
| 19:00.09 | Gilly | linux |
| 19:00.13 | awilcox | ah. |
| 19:00.13 | Gilly | irssi on screen |
| 19:00.17 | awilcox | I get XP on the work compy =/ |
| 19:00.29 | Gilly | aww |
| 19:00.29 | awilcox | but I have an ssh to the NetBSD server |
| 19:00.36 | awilcox | so it still feels pretty good :P |
| 19:00.45 | Gilly | well that helps of course :D |
| 19:02.02 | awilcox | when they can get Photoshop and iTunes on Linux I will fully convert both work and home boxen (respectively) |
| 19:03.19 | awilcox | oop, 3pm, better get back to designing. |
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| 19:55.03 | TimRiker | ~jollyrodger |
| 19:55.04 | ibot | â |
| 19:55.45 | whodaman- | *blink* |
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| 19:57.35 | TimRiker | ok, while I'm at it... 04â02â06â03â |
| 19:57.49 | whodaman- | :D |
| 19:57.58 | whodaman- | yay for UTF |
| 19:58.03 | TimRiker | :) |
| 19:58.49 | TimRiker | and filled in... 04â03â06â02â |
| 19:58.58 | whodaman- | o.O |
| 19:59.00 | whodaman- | nicer |
| 19:59.10 | whodaman- | copy/pastes and impresses his friends :P |
| 19:59.27 | TimRiker | ibot: bzflags is 04â03â06â02â |
| 19:59.27 | ibot | okay, TimRiker |
| 19:59.31 | TimRiker | ~bzflags |
| 19:59.31 | ibot | i guess bzflags is 04â03â06â02â |
| 19:59.34 | whodaman- | hah |
| 19:59.36 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 19:59.45 | whodaman- | didn't like that ^^ |
| 20:00.04 | TimRiker | ibot: no, bzflags is â â â â â â â â â â â â â â â â â â â |
| 20:00.05 | ibot | TimRiker: okay |
| 20:00.08 | TimRiker | ~bzflags |
| 20:00.08 | ibot | bzflags is probably â â â â â â â â â â â â â â â â â â â |
| 20:00.09 | whodaman- | ibot, whodaman is who?da?man |
| 20:00.10 | ibot | ...but whodaman is already something else... |
| 20:00.17 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 20:00.18 | whodaman- | ~whodaman |
| 20:00.18 | ibot | i heard whodaman is the bonkmaster |
| 20:00.22 | whodaman- | oh |
| 20:00.25 | whodaman- | that's nice |
| 20:00.34 | whodaman- | ibot, whodaman is also who?da?man |
| 20:00.36 | ibot | whodaman-: okay |
| 20:00.36 | TimRiker | ~forget whodaman |
| 20:00.37 | ibot | i forgot whodaman, TimRiker |
| 20:00.37 | whodaman- | does that work? |
| 20:00.40 | whodaman- | ouch |
| 20:00.45 | whodaman- | pwnd me there :P |
| 20:01.12 | TimRiker | I see: who?da?man do I'm betting your pasting is borken |
| 20:02.17 | TimRiker | â» |
| 20:02.33 | whodaman- | " ? " you can't see that? |
| 20:02.37 | whodaman- | black dot? |
| 20:19.13 | TimRiker | I see " ? " |
| 20:19.32 | TimRiker | <whodaman-> " ? " you can't see that? |
| 20:19.49 | whodaman- | oh |
| 20:19.50 | whodaman- | :P |
| 20:19.59 | whodaman- | some special symbol then, I guess |
| 20:20.37 | whodaman- | TimRiker, http://bzpro.net/whodaman-/tmp/ZZ779E8F7D.jpg |
| 20:20.42 | whodaman- | ^^ |
| 20:22.29 | TimRiker | I'm betting your paste is trying to convert to iso-latin-1 or some such. |
| 20:22.40 | whodaman- | TimRiker, it's not a paste. |
| 20:22.48 | whodaman- | alt+8 on my keyboard |
| 20:22.52 | Winny | a tiny smiley :o |
| 20:23.03 | TimRiker | â» |
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| 20:31.22 | awilcox | oh. my. gosh. windows can be so retarded >_> |
| 20:31.29 | Winny | heh |
| 20:31.56 | awilcox | anyways. before Windows decided I shouldn't be on the Internet, I was about to say: TimRiker is right. I can see his black buttons, but whodaman-'s show up as question marks. |
| 20:32.05 | whodaman- | uh, ok |
| 20:32.21 | Winny | awilcox, why are you using a web client? |
| 20:32.38 | awilcox | Winny: because in addition to windows being retarded, there are also no good IRC clients for it. |
| 20:32.47 | awilcox | Winny: and worst of all, this mibbit is inside IE >_< |
| 20:32.50 | Winny | ..xchat.. |
| 20:33.05 | awilcox | Winny: X-Chat is the lose on windows. it takes a few minutes to start up. |
| 20:33.16 | Winny | ..you have a weird computer |
| 20:33.36 | awilcox | Winny: actually it takes at least 15 seconds to start up on all three computers I've tested. |
| 20:33.43 | Winny | odd |
| 20:33.45 | awilcox | a Celeron/1600, a P3, and a quad-core |
| 20:33.57 | awilcox | X-Chat pretty much sucks. so uh. other options? |
| 20:34.12 | Winny | it's better then using a web client. |
| 20:34.31 | awilcox | what's wrong with using a web client? |
| 20:34.44 | awilcox | I'm still identified to NickServ and I still get to talk to people... |
| 20:34.55 | Winny | it's not meant to be a permanent client |
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| 20:35.49 | whodaman- | Says who? :) |
| 20:35.50 | awilcox | (the fact that it uses the Web makes it even nicer. because I have this really weird feeling that my proxy server would prolly block IRC, even though it should allow it.) |
| 20:36.27 | whodaman- | awilcox, irssi is good. |
| 20:36.31 | whodaman- | There are lots, really |
| 20:36.42 | awilcox | whodaman-: *win32* |
| 20:36.44 | Winny | whodaman-: Because if they were meant to be permanent, then there would be no local clients |
| 20:37.00 | whodaman- | Winny, meh, local clients just have features |
| 20:37.14 | awilcox | I couldn't get irssi for Win32 to log correctly, nor setup auto-connect/auto-join. |
| 20:37.17 | whodaman- | But yeah |
| 20:37.21 | Winny | whodaman-: heh |
| 20:37.22 | whodaman- | real client > web |
| 20:37.26 | awilcox | I don't know, maybe I'm just retarded when it comes to setting up irssi. it worked on UNIX though. |
| 20:37.34 | Winny | awilcox: use a shell |
| 20:37.41 | Winny | and connect to irssi on some other server |
| 20:37.43 | awilcox | Winny: tried it, actually, twice. |
| 20:37.49 | whodaman- | Works great |
| 20:37.53 | awilcox | Winny: both times, within a week, they shut down. |
| 20:38.01 | Winny | uh |
| 20:38.08 | Winny | then don't turn off your server |
| 20:38.09 | awilcox | I don't want to keep shell hopping. |
| 20:38.19 | awilcox | Winny: you just said use a shell |
| 20:38.22 | overcool | Yep, works great ;) |
| 20:38.28 | Winny | but it on some small box in your basement or something |
| 20:38.30 | awilcox | Winny: I meant I used a _shell service_ |
| 20:38.45 | Winny | ick |
| 20:38.52 | awilcox | Winny: augh, then I have to leave another computer on 24/7. I already have three! |
| 20:39.00 | Winny | so? |
| 20:39.09 | awilcox | so the power company would really like you. |
| 20:39.24 | JBdiGriz | 3 computers running windows on 24/7? Shut one of those down. |
| 20:39.37 | awilcox | JBdiGriz: er, no. |
| 20:40.10 | awilcox | JBdiGriz: only two are mine, the proxy server and my workstation. the third is my mum's computer, she likes to leave her computer on and remote in and stuff. |
| 20:40.14 | Winny | awilcox: is one more computer going to make a difference? somehow I doubt it |
| 20:40.32 | Winny | why are you using a local proxy server... |
| 20:40.35 | whodaman- | heh |
| 20:40.53 | awilcox | Winny: depends on which I use. I suppose I could drag out the P2, that doesn't take up much energy. |
| 20:41.16 | awilcox | Winny: well not 'proxy server' per se. it's that...thing...that thing I can never remember what it's called |
| 20:41.31 | awilcox | you put the Internet in the computer and have two NICs and then all the other computers get to go online. |
| 20:41.44 | awilcox | I just call it a proxy server because that's all I remember it as |
| 20:41.49 | Winny | a router? |
| 20:41.52 | Winny | a firewall? |
| 20:41.53 | awilcox | yes! |
| 20:41.55 | awilcox | router. |
| 20:42.09 | Winny | they uh, sell small ones that take much less power |
| 20:42.23 | awilcox | I never remember that's what it's called...I keep envisioning routers being those stupid little boxes that aren't worth the silicon they are printed on. |
| 20:43.01 | JBdiGriz | And those routers can run irssi very nicely |
| 20:43.05 | awilcox | I don't really like that type of routers. way too inflexible. heck, the stupid Linksys I tried wouldn't even use 10.0.0.0/8 |
| 20:44.07 | awilcox | I just need to install NetBSD on a virtual machine. |
| 20:44.21 | awilcox | use irssi in that, that would work lovely. |
| 20:44.57 | whodaman- | or just...use..x-chat and wait 15 seconds to long in :) |
| 20:45.05 | whodaman- | And stay logged in for 24/7 |
| 20:45.28 | awilcox | heh. |
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| 20:45.39 | awilcox | but with NetBSD then I can have a local computer to compile AWOS on. |
| 20:46.05 | awilcox | and then I could run a stupid subversion server. |
| 20:46.25 | awilcox | and use that instead of the stupid visual sourcesafe that I am forced to use now. |
| 20:46.44 | awilcox | is liking this NetBSD VM idea more and more. |
| 20:47.21 | awilcox | I wonder...does anyone know if X11 will run on Virtual PC 2007? |
| 20:48.00 | purple_cow | Virtual PC?? |
| 20:48.03 | purple_cow | seriously? |
| 20:48.28 | awilcox | purple_cow: you have a better, free, virtualisation solution that runs on Windows 64-bit? |
| 20:48.37 | Winny | Virtualbox? |
| 20:48.48 | Tupone | coLinux? |
| 20:49.05 | awilcox | Winny: oooh. is that the one that is based on qemu? I used that on my laptop once and liked it |
| 20:49.08 | purple_cow | vmware player or server |
| 20:49.08 | JeffM | awilcox, just install linux on windows |
| 20:49.13 | JeffM | yeah or vmware |
| 20:49.19 | JeffM | way better then virtual PC |
| 20:49.23 | Winny | awilcox: no idea |
| 20:49.30 | purple_cow | is maybe biased, but JeffM isn't |
| 20:49.36 | Winny | hehe |
| 20:49.39 | JeffM | all we use here is vmware |
| 20:50.17 | whodaman- | real tools :P |
| 20:50.26 | awilcox | JeffM: VMware is really nice, and I have a license to workstation 4 somewhere, but uh...aren't they at like 6 now? |
| 20:50.37 | JeffM | awilcox, server and player are free |
| 20:50.46 | JeffM | you just USE them |
| 20:50.49 | awilcox | I thought server was for Linux only O_o |
| 20:50.52 | JeffM | no |
| 20:50.56 | Tupone | likes how coLinux behave in his office's PC |
| 20:50.58 | purple_cow | there's a free beta for WS 6.5 out now, too |
| 20:51.16 | JeffM | awilcox, or just install a nix in windows |
| 20:51.20 | JeffM | what distro are you doing? |
| 20:51.44 | awilcox | JeffM: well I was going for NetBSD |
| 20:51.54 | JeffM | ahh |
| 20:51.59 | JeffM | then yeah vmware |
| 20:52.05 | JeffM | totaly |
| 20:52.29 | JeffM | heck you can probably even get a preconfigured appliance with netbsd |
| 20:52.37 | JeffM | then just run it in player |
| 20:52.45 | awilcox | that's the *nix I feel most comfortable with, and I like its idioms better than Linux's |
| 20:54.52 | JeffM | but all of that pales in comparison to the fact that you should be going out and seeing Iron Man. |
| 20:55.43 | Winny | hehe |
| 20:55.43 | awilcox | sighs as he looks out his window at the free, open world that he can't go experience because he has a real life now. |
| 20:56.09 | JeffM | ummm.. everyone with a real life is going to see that movie |
| 20:56.20 | Winny | therefore, awilcox has no life |
| 20:56.21 | awilcox | hey at least I got the window office. |
| 20:56.21 | awilcox | or should I say 'window cube'. |
| 20:56.53 | awilcox | Winny: hey don't knock it, software architecting can be a rewarding job. |
| 20:57.36 | JeffM | it's not for your grandma is it? |
| 20:58.35 | awilcox | no. |
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| 20:58.44 | awilcox | no, but thank you for reminding me. she got a second computer and now wants me to build a network. |
| 20:59.01 | JeffM | tell her to pay you in iron man |
| 20:59.04 | Winny | aka connecting 3 ethernet cables? |
| 21:00.07 | awilcox | Winny: well she wants a setup like mine. |
| 21:00.38 | awilcox | so I have to put a second NIC in her linux machine and setup iptables |
| 21:00.39 | awilcox | but that will take all of 20 minutes or so. but I definitely did need to be reminded as I forgot to put that on the schedule for this week. |
| 21:01.18 | AAA_awright | Wow, strace is amazing |
| 21:01.58 | JeffM | just now finding the joys of debugers AAA_awright ? ;) |
| 21:02.07 | AAA_awright | Yeah :) |
| 21:02.16 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:02.41 | Erroneous | notes that he hasn't gone to see Iron Man yet...does that mean he has no life? :) |
| 21:02.42 | awilcox | I remember my first debug session. it seems like magic :) |
| 21:03.39 | awilcox | gives Erroneous his hour of free time so that Erroneous may go to see Iron Man and have a life. |
| 21:03.57 | Lukstr | haha, it's a good movie |
| 21:04.06 | Lukstr | make sure to stay until after the credits though |
| 21:04.08 | Erroneous | thanks for the thought, but I think you can use that yourself :) |
| 21:04.41 | awilcox | Erroneous: heh, I can, considering I pulled that free time from the 14th :P |
| 21:05.38 | awilcox | ah yay. VMware server is done downloading. |
| 21:07.07 | awilcox | um. |
| 21:07.50 | awilcox | it is asking me for the number of serial numbers I need. is it one per operating system (i.e. I need one for NetBSD, one if I install another one) or is it per instance (i.e. I need one for \\develop001, \\develop002, so on)? |
| 21:08.06 | Lukstr | instance supposedly |
| 21:08.11 | awilcox | ok. |
| 21:09.41 | awilcox | what now? "You have to manually configure this from the IIS Configuration console." |
| 21:10.14 | awilcox | what in the world does IIS have to do with VMware? those are the two most separate server things I could think of. |
| 21:10.42 | JeffM | Erroneous, you would have liked it |
| 21:11.02 | Erroneous | notes the "yet" |
| 21:11.06 | JeffM | :) |
| 21:11.23 | Erroneous | the other daniel said he would like to go see it again, which is a pretty enthusiastic recommendation... :) |
| 21:11.31 | JeffM | I've seen it twice |
| 21:12.38 | awilcox | hm. question for anyone with Windows experience: I know you can modify that stupid bar on the left side of the common dialogs that has "my computer", "my network", "my documents". I want to put some of _my_ other folders on it, but I can't seem to remove network places and I can't seem to add my other folder. how do I go about this? |
| 21:12.47 | JeffM | Erroneous, you are going to see indy with us right? |
| 21:12.56 | Erroneous | JeffM: probably |
| 21:13.08 | awilcox | drag-n-drop to the bar gives me a "no" cursor, and right-clicking on any button shows "remove" as being disabled. |
| 21:13.28 | JeffM | awilcox, there are better places to ask about that kinda stuff |
| 21:13.49 | awilcox | oh. |
| 21:14.05 | awilcox | this is #bzflag? man...I thought I was somewheres else |
| 21:14.29 | JeffM | I am not aware that a user can customise the XP open dialog |
| 21:15.02 | awilcox | I've done it before, it just isn't working >_> |
| 21:15.16 | awilcox | hugs JeffM for spelling customise right, too. |
| 21:15.39 | JeffM | you are odd. |
| 21:15.58 | F687s | Windows does not like customization, if you haven't noticed by now. |
| 21:16.08 | awilcox | thank you, that may be one of the nicest things someone has said to me today. :) |
| 21:16.54 | awilcox | F687s: after six years with xp, I can customise a good portion of it. |
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| 21:17.42 | awilcox | heh, and speaking of the other Daniel... |
| 21:17.51 | F687s | Well, "customize" is all relative. |
| 21:18.21 | JeffM | awilcox, not that one |
| 21:18.31 | JeffM | awilcox, we have 3 at work |
| 21:18.33 | awilcox | JeffM: there are three of them now? |
| 21:18.39 | awilcox | oh my goodness. |
| 21:18.45 | JeffM | awilcox, yes, Erroneous is daniel prime |
| 21:18.55 | awilcox | shouts "Daniel!" and sees who answers :p |
| 21:19.04 | JeffM | 2 of them are in the same room |
| 21:19.13 | Erroneous | awilcox: HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\ComDlg32\PlacesBar |
| 21:19.20 | JeffM | Erroneous gets to be Daniel, one Dan, and thrid is Danny |
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| 21:19.52 | awilcox | JeffM: hah, I have that problem too. at one point there were three Daniels on my contact list :P that didn't work out very well. |
| 21:19.52 | donny_baker | customizing the Open Dialog box is possible, but Office uses it's own so you must customize two open dialog boxes to make it universal |
| 21:20.01 | JeffM | you would have liked lunch saturday too Erroneous Peruvia Thai |
| 21:20.03 | awilcox | Erroneous: yays! thank you SOOOOOO much. |
| 21:20.19 | JeffM | Peruvian/Thai even |
| 21:20.21 | Erroneous | it's easier in vista, just a folder |
| 21:20.38 | Erroneous | mm, sounds good :) |
| 21:20.42 | JeffM | was |
| 21:20.47 | JeffM | right next to the theater too |
| 21:21.55 | awilcox | aw bugger, this is visio. donny_baker: where is the office hack? |
| 21:22.15 | JeffM | goes back to fixing machine sim |
| 21:23.02 | Erroneous | awilcox: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/826214 |
| 21:23.47 | Erroneous | just remember that that thing is called the "places bar" and google will be your friend |
| 21:23.59 | Erroneous | ridiculously stupid name though it is |
| 21:24.35 | awilcox | ahhh, places bar. |
| 21:26.04 | Erroneous | is always amused by Microsoft's recommendation documents |
| 21:26.25 | Erroneous | "...use that time instead to innovate in meaningful ways based on your core competencies and understanding of customer needs." |
| 21:28.22 | awilcox | yay, my Places Bar now has my project folder! |
| 21:28.27 | awilcox | again, thanks Erroneous ;) |
| 21:32.39 | brlcad | iron man was pretty good |
| 21:32.52 | jorgenpt | I liked it a lot :) |
| 21:33.12 | JeffM | "What's all that noise?".. "oh just driving with the top down" |
| 21:33.27 | jorgenpt | Though it annoyed me througout the movie that he said "It's 900 gigajoules/s" (or something), and the other guy said "That's enough to last you 500 man-ages!" |
| 21:33.41 | Lukstr | haha |
| 21:33.57 | jorgenpt | Like, yeah, a unit of POWER can tell you how long it'll last. |
| 21:34.05 | JeffM | jorgenpt, sounds like you had a bad translation |
| 21:34.10 | Lukstr | just assume he did the calculation in his head |
| 21:34.23 | JeffM | "that will run your heart for 50 lifetimes" |
| 21:34.45 | jorgenpt | Well, yeah, not a quote, but my point stands. |
| 21:34.45 | JeffM | he was meaning it' was overkill in power |
| 21:34.58 | JeffM | one second was enough for 50 lifetimes |
| 21:35.15 | jorgenpt | Then he said "Or something big for 15 minutes." |
| 21:35.23 | JeffM | true |
| 21:35.29 | jorgenpt | I think it's a misuse of units, honestly. :) |
| 21:35.31 | JeffM | it's a commic book movie, you have to give them something |
| 21:35.42 | jorgenpt | Haha, I can accept all the other stuff, but that's such a silly thing! |
| 21:35.53 | JeffM | at least they didn't invert the phase inducers and cause a temporal feedback loop |
| 21:35.54 | Lukstr | jorgenpt: you must hate Back to the Future |
| 21:36.18 | JeffM | the suit was prety well done from a "lets see how plausable" we can make it |
| 21:36.38 | jorgenpt | Lukstr: Hehe ;) |
| 21:36.44 | JeffM | they didn't do any of that transformers folding magic metal |
| 21:37.00 | Lukstr | haha it's true |
| 21:37.04 | Lukstr | the suit was pretty bad-ass |
| 21:37.04 | jorgenpt | JeffM: I especially like that the tech they couldn't reproduce was the minituarization (sp) of the power source. :) |
| 21:37.09 | JeffM | yes |
| 21:37.11 | jorgenpt | Fairly plausible, :) |
| 21:37.26 | Lukstr | The gratituous hud was fun though |
| 21:37.27 | JeffM | yeah, where the guy said "yeah that dosn't exist" |
| 21:37.59 | JeffM | I also liked that they thought enough to add controll surfaces to the suit for flight |
| 21:38.08 | JeffM | and the fact that it just didn't work at first |
| 21:38.21 | jorgenpt | Hehe, yeah. But the whole '10%' <smack in the roof> was kinda silly. |
| 21:38.26 | JeffM | "if you douse me again, and I"m not on fire, I"m dontaing you to a city college" |
| 21:38.37 | jorgenpt | Seeing as he was a bloody genious, and that's _BASIC PHYSICS_. ;-) |
| 21:38.46 | Lukstr | I kind of want to see it again |
| 21:38.47 | JeffM | he was realy excited :) |
| 21:39.03 | Lukstr | jorgenpt: yeah but he built a jet in his freaking basement |
| 21:39.05 | JeffM | that's what I liked, he knew better but was just jazzed about it, and paid the price |
| 21:39.10 | JeffM | he could have also been drunk ;) |
| 21:39.14 | jorgenpt | Lukstr: ;-P |
| 21:39.16 | JeffM | and that perfectly fits |
| 21:39.20 | jorgenpt | True, true. |
| 21:39.26 | Lukstr | I wonder if his suit has a mini-bar |
| 21:39.37 | jorgenpt | Builtin whiskey-helmet? |
| 21:39.38 | JeffM | it showed he was not unfallable |
| 21:41.26 | JeffM | O |
| 21:41.39 | JeffM | I'm glad it did well for marvel studios as there first on there own movie |
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| 21:43.01 | JeffM | I was hoping DC would do another superman, but it looks like they arn't |
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| 22:16.12 | bz27 | hi |
| 22:16.12 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1053 10/trunk/ (.gitignore demo/ demo/Makefile.am demo/simple.cpp): * The FTGL "simple demo" is no longer simple. Wrote a really simple one. |
| 22:17.06 | Erroneous | heh, feature creep at its finest... |
| 22:17.23 | JeffM | evolution |
| 22:17.31 | JeffM | simple demo becomes the feature test ;) |
| 22:19.31 | sam | I think it was born like that; I didn't call it simple :) |
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| 22:51.55 | delusional_ | hmm.... _nowalls is still valid when used in the world object, but /saveworld places _noWalls in the options block |
| 22:52.11 | delusional_ | which is an unknown bzdb variable |
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| 22:54.28 | delusional_ | I thought _nowalls was phased out in 2.0.4 in favor of _wallHeight 0, but apparently _wallheight 0 still leaves the square bounding box on the radar, if you dive out of bounds, you get autokicked, |
| 22:56.05 | awilcox | I always wondered if it was possible to dive out of bounds. |
| 22:59.54 | JeffM | awilcox, no, if you send an update when you are out of bounds you will be booted. |
| 23:00.46 | L4m3r | delusional_: no, iirc noWalls was never deprecated. it's not the same as setting _wallHeight to zero. |
| 23:01.19 | JeffM | I prefer nowalls |
| 23:01.23 | JeffM | to height 0 |
| 23:01.27 | L4m3r | DTR did add a fix that prevents players from being punted if they go out of bounds while dead, though, so an invisible wall should suffice to prevent people from being kicked |
| 23:02.17 | L4m3r | I don't see how there can be a "preference"- as stated, they do two different things |
| 23:04.20 | Lukstr | how long do you guys estimate build will take on a 600 MHz machine |
| 23:05.47 | awilcox | Lukstr: it takes an hour and half on my 1600MHz celly |
| 23:06.01 | Lukstr | that's insane |
| 23:06.05 | awilcox | prolly three hours or so, but that's a full build: bzfs, bzflag, and bzadmin |
| 23:06.17 | Lukstr | it takes 15 minutes on my 1800 MHz laptop |
| 23:06.30 | Lukstr | 15-20 minutes |
| 23:08.28 | awilcox | heh. |
| 23:08.41 | Lukstr | what OS do you use? |
| 23:08.44 | awilcox | my 1600MHz celly has a 5400RPM disk and was building a Beagle index... |
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| 23:08.57 | awilcox | Lukstr: OpenSuSE 10.3 for that specific build |
| 23:09.03 | Lukstr | interesting |
| 23:09.08 | awilcox | I believe Windows XP was slightly more sane, maybe only an hour |
| 23:09.19 | Lukstr | I'm building a "work horse" just to run forward X and build bzflag |
| 23:12.22 | L4m3r | and that is why cellys suck :P |
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| 23:13.32 | awilcox | L4m3r: well that lappy has felt like it was on its last legs for quite some time now |
| 23:13.50 | awilcox | it gets slower and slower everytime I use it...takes maybe 5 seconds just to draw the OUTLINE of the start menu... |
| 23:14.04 | Lukstr | windows tends to do that :P |
| 23:14.20 | awilcox | Lukstr: yeah but man this is a 1600MHz, even if it is a celly |
| 23:14.45 | awilcox | my 500MHz Celeron/500 with a craptastic i810 can actually beat its framerate in SimCity |
| 23:15.12 | Lukstr | I just finished stripping all the plastic off this old dell case |
| 23:15.21 | Lukstr | maybe I'll make a wood cover |
| 23:15.40 | L4m3r | Lukstr: or you could do what I did |
| 23:15.48 | awilcox | haha I did that once :P |
| 23:15.48 | L4m3r | http://misc.l4m3r.net/server |
| 23:15.50 | Lukstr | screw all the parts to the wall? |
| 23:15.51 | Lukstr | :P |
| 23:16.08 | Lukstr | ah, close |
| 23:16.51 | Lukstr | That's funny |
| 23:16.59 | Lukstr | when I was building my MAME arcade controller |
| 23:17.09 | Lukstr | I prototyped it all in cardboard |
| 23:18.30 | Lukstr | L4m3r: that is so, so sad |
| 23:19.07 | L4m3r | Lukstr: why? no one has to see it :P |
| 23:19.08 | awilcox | lol, literal box. |
| 23:19.36 | Lukstr | I have some nice corrugated plastic-board |
| 23:19.43 | Lukstr | like they use for lawn ads and stuff |
| 23:19.47 | awilcox | I looooooved the xp box that lived in an xp box |
| 23:22.20 | Lukstr | goes to survey the supplies |
| 23:26.50 | Lukstr | hm |
| 23:26.58 | Lukstr | maybe I should see if this thing works before bothering to case it |
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| 23:34.06 | TJ13820 | how do i log using BZAdmin? |
| 23:34.28 | TJ13820 | (on linux) |
| 23:39.33 | Lukstr | well this is a problem. I have no VGA cables :( |
| 23:40.55 | awilcox | Lukstr: you mean a DB-18 on both sides? |
| 23:41.23 | Lukstr | que? |
| 23:41.36 | Lukstr | DE-15 |
| 23:41.39 | awilcox | a DSUB connector on both sides of the cables? |
| 23:41.45 | Lukstr | yeah |
| 23:41.48 | awilcox | ack, where'd I pull "DB-18" out of... |
| 23:41.49 | Lukstr | I don't have said cable |
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| 23:41.58 | JeffM | go to fry's |
| 23:42.04 | Lukstr | Canada |
| 23:42.12 | Lukstr | nearest computer store is... |
| 23:42.16 | Lukstr | 10km |
| 23:42.21 | JeffM | go fo le Fry's Eh |
| 23:42.24 | JeffM | move |
| 23:42.26 | Lukstr | haha |
| 23:42.32 | Lukstr | I have cables at my house at uni |
| 23:42.34 | Lukstr | two of them |
| 23:42.39 | Lukstr | it is a shame I didn't pack them |
| 23:43.15 | Lukstr | I may just get some copper wires |
| 23:43.24 | Lukstr | and.... well... you'd probably rather not know |
| 23:44.03 | JeffM | just go to the store |
| 23:44.08 | JeffM | 10km isn't exactly FAR |
| 23:44.42 | JeffM | 6.2 miles, I drive home more then that |
| 23:44.55 | Erroneous | could walk it without too much trouble actually |
| 23:45.07 | Lukstr | I have no car |
| 23:45.13 | Lukstr | or money, really |
| 23:45.14 | JeffM | use an electric skateboard |
| 23:45.14 | awilcox | Lukstr: ugh. I already _know_ from that description, and jeez...I hope you have thick enough wire to do 12V (iirc that's how much VGA drives)? |
| 23:45.18 | Lukstr | it's probably best if I build one |
| 23:45.33 | Erroneous | probably faster to walk there than to build one :P |
| 23:45.47 | Lukstr | actually |
| 23:45.51 | Lukstr | I might have connectors |
| 23:46.01 | Lukstr | if I didn't take them with my electronics kit |
| 23:47.10 | Erroneous | awilcox: current, not voltage, determines required wire size |
| 23:47.23 | awilcox | Erroneous: ah, I thought it was voltage. |
| 23:47.32 | awilcox | well I'm not exactly sure how many amps VGA drives. |
| 23:48.16 | Erroneous | for constant power, higher voltage requires smaller ware, because the amperage required for the same power is less |
| 23:48.46 | Erroneous | wire even |
| 23:49.00 | awilcox | Erroneous: do you know I didn't even notice that error until you pointed it out :p |
| 23:49.07 | Erroneous | if you ever played with HV circuits much you'd know that :) |
| 23:49.35 | awilcox | the only circuits I've ever played with are the computer and the car |
| 23:49.58 | awilcox | and the starter motor still creeps me out with all that power. |
| 23:50.04 | Erroneous | yeah, all low-voltage stuff. play with 100kV sometime, it's fun :) |
| 23:50.27 | Lukstr | haha! victory |
| 23:50.31 | Lukstr | what are the odds of that |
| 23:51.14 | awilcox | Does 100kV = .001V? |
| 23:51.21 | awilcox | hopes Erroneous doesn't mean 100,000V |
| 23:51.25 | Lukstr | of course I didn't bring my soldering kit home, however |
| 23:51.39 | Erroneous | kV = kilovolt |
| 23:51.53 | Erroneous | .001V is a microvolt |
| 23:52.03 | Erroneous | millivolt |
| 23:52.08 | awilcox | gah |
| 23:52.41 | awilcox | stupid imperial system is poisioning my mind, I keep thinking the metre is larger than the kilometre, therefore the volt would be larger than the kilovolt. however neither of those are true. |
| 23:52.48 | awilcox | therefore, I am erroneous. may I have your nick? :P |
| 23:54.56 | Erroneous | so yeah, I meant 100000V. why did you hope not? |
| 23:55.08 | JeffM | it's just electrons |
| 23:55.47 | Erroneous | it's current that kills, voltage just hurts :) your typical static shock is on the order of 20kV. |
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| 23:55.49 | blast007 | Don't lick that wire! |
| 23:55.56 | drrobotnik | hello all! oh? what wire! |
| 23:56.00 | drrobotnik | ZAP |
| 23:56.08 | blast007 | drrobotnik: the one with 100kV going through it |
| 23:56.22 | awilcox | oh right, I forget that too |
| 23:56.47 | awilcox | 10,000V is ok but 2A could kill you (or something like that) |
| 23:57.14 | Erroneous | 2A at 10kV would be closer to vaporizing you |
| 23:57.22 | JeffM | 1A thru the heart will kill you IIRC |
| 23:57.30 | Erroneous | 2A at 100V can kill you |
| 23:57.50 | awilcox | I didn't mean 2A @ 10,000V |
| 23:57.53 | awilcox | I was just doing a comparison |
| 23:57.59 | awilcox | I meant 2A at normal 110/220 |
| 23:58.26 | JeffM | it has to go the right place :) |
| 23:58.56 | JeffM | taging a 110 line isn't plesant, but hitting it on your fingers won't kill you outright |
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| 23:59.06 | drrobotnik | hm |
| 23:59.09 | awilcox | as my mother and I both know lol |
| 23:59.12 | drrobotnik | HTML IRC is laggy. |
| 23:59.18 | blast007 | drrobotnik: duh? ;) |
| 23:59.23 | Erroneous | just don't hang on to a water pipe while tagging it :) |
| 23:59.25 | Lukstr | I wish I could figure out how to get this 640x400 NEC B&W LCD working |
| 23:59.32 | awilcox | Erroneous: haha |
| 23:59.38 | Lukstr | any EEs? :P |
| 23:59.39 | JeffM | Erroneous, indeed |
| 23:59.41 | blast007 | Erroneous: yeah, I've experienced 110V before ;) |
| 23:59.50 | blast007 | once was enouch |
| 23:59.52 | blast007 | enough* |
