| 00:00.42 | Flash | hmmm. Callsign is used to find players now, in some places |
| 00:00.51 | AAA_awright | Maybe it could send a new MsgEnter packet with updated information. The other players have to see MsgExit and MsgEnter again, but the client doesn't have to go through the process again. |
| 00:01.17 | JeffM | AAA_awright: the guts don't mater much |
| 00:01.28 | DTRemenak | Flash: that would need to be fixed. playerid is the only thing the server should care about. |
| 00:01.46 | AAA_awright | slot, that is? |
| 00:01.52 | Flash | there's not really any such thing as playerid; it's just a slot in the array |
| 00:01.54 | JeffM | no |
| 00:01.56 | JeffM | player ID |
| 00:02.05 | JeffM | there can be gaps |
| 00:02.09 | JeffM | so it is a player ID |
| 00:02.13 | AAA_awright | BZID? Or a new UUID? |
| 00:02.18 | JeffM | and we want the slots to be dynamic too |
| 00:02.25 | DTRemenak | slot number is the playerid at the moment |
| 00:02.28 | JeffM | yes |
| 00:02.32 | JeffM | that would be nice to change |
| 00:02.35 | DTRemenak | doesn't need to stay that way necessarily |
| 00:02.42 | JeffM | where it's just "unique connected thingy" |
| 00:03.00 | JeffM | specialy since we have non client conenctions |
| 00:03.01 | blast007 | why would we need to change callsign during a game? :/ |
| 00:03.08 | AAA_awright | I would like to see a player UUID for stats purposes |
| 00:03.17 | JeffM | AAA_awright: that's bzid |
| 00:03.33 | DTRemenak | bzid does not carry over to unreg'ed players |
| 00:03.34 | AAA_awright | BZID isn't available to clients though |
| 00:03.43 | blast007 | AAA_awright: servers have it though |
| 00:03.49 | blast007 | write a plugin |
| 00:03.51 | JeffM | list shoudl give em temp IDs based on name and IP ;) |
| 00:04.04 | DTRemenak | there's no reason for it not to be available to clients, it's public information |
| 00:04.05 | AAA_awright | Doesn't work for a server scanner. It would ease off on the number of connections I have to make. |
| 00:04.27 | AAA_awright | MsgPlayerInfo? |
| 00:04.35 | JeffM | we don't want server scanners anymore |
| 00:04.44 | JeffM | we want a global stats interface that servers push data into |
| 00:04.49 | JeffM | then stat sites pull from |
| 00:05.02 | JeffM | cut your poll trafic down to ONE |
| 00:05.07 | AAA_awright | And how does that help 3rd party stats like me? |
| 00:05.11 | DTRemenak | server scanning is a hack, and really hard on servers |
| 00:05.18 | blast007 | AAA_awright: you can pull from it. read. |
| 00:05.20 | JeffM | AAA_awright: you hit our API that gives you the stats data |
| 00:05.26 | JeffM | instead of ALL the servers |
| 00:05.38 | JeffM | your 3rd party stats are inaccurate right now |
| 00:05.39 | AAA_awright | I don't hit all the servers |
| 00:05.41 | DTRemenak | your load goes to us. ONE connection. each server then has ONE connection to send the data also. |
| 00:05.51 | blast007 | AAA_awright: well, then write a plugin for YOUR servers |
| 00:05.55 | DTRemenak | so rather than M to N, it's M to 1 and N to 1 |
| 00:06.04 | AAA_awright | blast007: That is what the Stats plugin is |
| 00:06.08 | JeffM | or we make our API able to take a filter list for servers |
| 00:06.14 | JeffM | since that does make sense |
| 00:06.32 | DTRemenak | I'm sure you can do the math to see how that's advantageous |
| 00:06.33 | AAA_awright | JeffM: I would very much like an API that could tell me more accurate data about servers |
| 00:06.44 | JeffM | AAA_awright: to do that we need a push system |
| 00:06.51 | JeffM | since poll systems are not accurate |
| 00:07.00 | AAA_awright | That already exists with the list server, to some degree |
| 00:07.06 | DTRemenak | yes, exactly |
| 00:07.10 | AAA_awright | Pull systems are accurate, if time delayed |
| 00:07.12 | DTRemenak | we'd like to push a LOT more data to that |
| 00:07.14 | JeffM | AAA_awright: nope |
| 00:07.31 | JeffM | AAA_awright: you miss the scores from between your last scan and when someone exists |
| 00:07.32 | AAA_awright | I use a strategy that connects to servers when it thinks information has changed, as a result it hits a server only when it needs to. About 5 connections a minute for all 200 servers. |
| 00:07.34 | DTRemenak | polling is subject to granularity issues |
| 00:07.34 | JeffM | exits |
| 00:07.38 | JeffM | you are NOT accurate |
| 00:07.49 | JeffM | where a push system would send the final score to the stats system on part |
| 00:08.23 | AAA_awright | to-the-integer accurate, no. But that isn't the sort of stuff I compile anyways. |
| 00:08.36 | JeffM | AAA_awright: how much can you score in 5 min? |
| 00:08.53 | AAA_awright | -8, on a lucky day. |
| 00:08.58 | AAA_awright | ;) |
| 00:08.59 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 00:09.02 | JeffM | then you can be off by that much ;) |
| 00:09.21 | JeffM | and remember, it's not all about you |
| 00:09.55 | AAA_awright | I am considering everyone, really, it just so happens that I do quite a bit more then most people. |
| 00:10.14 | DTRemenak | seriously we'd love to be able to support external stats sites (including yours) better, and we certainly plan to do so. the work hasn't been done yet. |
| 00:10.27 | JeffM | a bold statement that I don't think you have the info to back up, but whatever. |
| 00:10.40 | JeffM | yeah, we don't actualy want to run a full tracking site |
| 00:10.46 | JeffM | but we'll hold info for you guys |
| 00:11.01 | JeffM | I'd prefer our stats to be very general and only for registerd users |
| 00:11.16 | JeffM | then provide the raw data via the web API to the other sites to do more |
| 00:11.37 | AAA_awright | Also consider, that stats, if pulled from the API, will still be off. It is just a matter of pulling servers vs pulling data |
| 00:11.56 | JeffM | no, we'd collect them with the list updates |
| 00:12.00 | JeffM | so we'd have accurate counts |
| 00:12.08 | JeffM | and keep them for a longer time |
| 00:12.11 | AAA_awright | You would, the services not until they update |
| 00:12.12 | DTRemenak | you can say "this is accurate as of time t" |
| 00:12.18 | DTRemenak | where you cannot with the current system |
| 00:12.22 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:12.38 | JeffM | sure if we keep data for say a day, and you poll once every 2 days, sure |
| 00:12.56 | JeffM | as long as you poll us at 1/2 our data storage you have all the data |
| 00:13.01 | AAA_awright | I know and record a timestamp with all data I collect. It isn't hard to do, come on. |
| 00:13.19 | JeffM | what? |
| 00:13.34 | JeffM | because you poll, you can MISS data |
| 00:13.47 | JeffM | it's not about timestamps it's about the fact that you take snapshots, not totals |
| 00:14.04 | JeffM | you don't do a delta state since last update, you do a snapshot |
| 00:14.41 | AAA_awright | It isn't too hard to predict about when a person changed their score given their history |
| 00:15.00 | AAA_awright | Especially since bzfs gives you both wins and losses, not just total. |
| 00:15.04 | JeffM | AAA_awright: except when they are GONE in one snapshot |
| 00:15.23 | JeffM | we don't store the score for players that leave |
| 00:15.34 | blast007 | AAA_awright: okay, how about this. Someone joins a server, gets a geno, kills the other team twice (who have 15 players) and then leaves, within 4 minutes. Your pull system misses it, because it checked just before and just after. |
| 00:15.53 | blast007 | a push system could say "okay, this player left with 30 points, record that" |
| 00:16.21 | JeffM | then when you polled the API we could give you all the events since the LAST poll you did |
| 00:16.26 | JeffM | cus we can store data |
| 00:16.32 | AAA_awright | I don't concern mydelf with ultra-high resolution, prediction of scores and the data from the list server are plenty enough to determine how a player was performing, which is all I care about, not their score. |
| 00:16.54 | blast007 | AAA_awright: as it has been said, it's not all about you ;) |
| 00:17.23 | AAA_awright | I am not arguing about what is best, I am telling about the dirty inner workings of how it works |
| 00:17.39 | blast007 | of how what works? |
| 00:17.44 | blast007 | your ideal stats site? |
| 00:17.49 | JeffM | his propritary system |
| 00:18.04 | AAA_awright | which needs a server... where is a_meteorite off to... |
| 00:20.07 | AAA_awright | Why are you guys even arguing about what works is working? |
| 00:20.12 | AAA_awright | er. |
| 00:20.13 | AAA_awright | Yeah? |
| 00:20.38 | AAA_awright | A push system would be very nice, no thing wrong with that. |
| 00:21.46 | JeffM | because it dosn't work |
| 00:21.54 | JeffM | and we want to make things BETTER |
| 00:21.55 | AAA_awright | A push system? |
| 00:21.58 | JeffM | thats what we do as devs |
| 00:22.08 | JeffM | no the poll system dosn't work |
| 00:22.23 | AAA_awright | It does, and quite well as I have showed (if I could show) |
| 00:22.32 | AAA_awright | It could be better, I agree |
| 00:22.33 | DTRemenak | trying to add functionality so your polling works better is counterproductive...we'd rather work on a push system |
| 00:22.40 | AAA_awright | But there is nothing broken |
| 00:22.43 | JeffM | it does not work, it has flaws and data loss |
| 00:22.49 | JeffM | that is broken |
| 00:22.55 | JeffM | sure it's better then nothing |
| 00:23.02 | JeffM | and I'm sure its' better then our stats site |
| 00:23.09 | JeffM | but it is still a flawed concept |
| 00:23.46 | JeffM | I'm sure your system has more data then ours |
| 00:24.09 | JeffM | but unless your plug-in is storing events and not just doing a snapshot on each poll, it will be flawed |
| 00:25.02 | JeffM | does your plugin push data directly into a sql database? |
| 00:26.55 | AAA_awright | JeffM: My Stats plugin pushes data to a server with a custom-designed XML protocol |
| 00:26.59 | catay | with the push system, a server owner can also decide for himself if he wants the data be public ? |
| 00:27.02 | AAA_awright | cURL/HTTP |
| 00:27.13 | JeffM | so you have a propritary push system |
| 00:27.27 | AAA_awright | I use caching and authentication headers, too, which work great *wink*wink* |
| 00:27.32 | JeffM | catay: that would be the idea |
| 00:27.49 | JeffM | AAA_awright: so you've designed your own system, make your own IDs |
| 00:28.19 | AAA_awright | http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dcz67k4q_11dkfkk2 |
| 00:28.22 | catay | because now everybody can query a server , even if the server owner doesn't want it |
| 00:28.30 | JeffM | catay: indeed |
| 00:28.51 | JeffM | a push system allows more controll and no granularity issues |
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| 00:28.53 | JeffM | just latency |
| 00:29.22 | AAA_awright | Stats pushes new data every 5 seconds, if there is any, and pings every 15 seconds. |
| 00:29.23 | bz18 | how do i put my thing on the list? |
| 00:29.31 | blast007 | bz18: what thing? |
| 00:29.37 | JeffM | bz18: you mean server? |
| 00:29.39 | bz18 | my map |
| 00:29.41 | JeffM | server |
| 00:29.42 | bz18 | yes |
| 00:29.48 | AAA_awright | bbl, interesting chat |
| 00:29.50 | JeffM | start your server with -public |
| 00:29.58 | JeffM | and make sure that outside people can get to you |
| 00:30.04 | catay | sounds a good thing to me, seems even easier to me to make a stats site |
| 00:30.17 | JeffM | there are threads on the fourms for how to host a public server |
| 00:30.33 | catay | you only have to query one data source , instead now you have to query tons of servers |
| 00:30.41 | bz18 | thank you |
| 00:30.42 | JeffM | catay: that's the idea, to offload and consolodate a lot fo the work |
| 00:30.52 | JeffM | since it's the same backend for all sites |
| 00:31.22 | JeffM | and since the game server already talks to the list server a lot, it makes sense to pigyback that data onto it |
| 00:31.27 | JeffM | or at least look into it |
| 00:32.01 | bz18 | t says im running a private server? |
| 00:32.11 | JeffM | bz18: what is "it"? |
| 00:32.20 | JeffM | did you add -public? |
| 00:32.21 | DTRemenak | you also need -publicaddr |
| 00:32.35 | bz18 | yes |
| 00:32.38 | JeffM | no you don't, not if you don't care about using your IP ;) |
| 00:32.39 | DTRemenak | and both -public and -publicaddr require appropriate parameters |
| 00:32.56 | bz18 | like what? |
| 00:32.58 | JeffM | bz18: is your router/firewall configured to let people connect to you? |
| 00:33.21 | bz18 | i did port fowarding |
| 00:33.34 | DTRemenak | JeffM: it's more reliable to use -publicaddr. without it you're likely to get your NAT address, and it won't work on non-default ports |
| 00:33.55 | JeffM | DTRemenak: IIRC with out -publicaddr, the list server uses the IP IT gets |
| 00:34.03 | JeffM | so it should always be valid |
| 00:34.07 | bz18 | -public "kylethedude1" |
| 00:34.07 | bz18 | -a 0 0 |
| 00:34.07 | bz18 | -world C:\users\kyle\desktop\kyle.bzw |
| 00:34.07 | bz18 | -c |
| 00:34.07 | bz18 | -j |
| 00:34.08 | bz18 | -tkkr 32 |
| 00:34.10 | bz18 | -publicaddr kylethedude2.webhop.net:5154 |
| 00:34.12 | bz18 | -p 5154 |
| 00:34.12 | JeffM | don't paste it here |
| 00:34.14 | bz18 | -maxidle 300 |
| 00:34.15 | JeffM | use pastebin |
| 00:34.16 | bz18 | -noudp |
| 00:34.18 | bz18 | -lagwarn 350 |
| 00:34.20 | bz18 | -lagdrop 3 |
| 00:34.23 | JeffM | dude |
| 00:34.27 | JeffM | not cool |
| 00:34.37 | JeffM | you don't have -public |
| 00:34.40 | JeffM | oh you do |
| 00:34.42 | JeffM | nvermind |
| 00:34.51 | JeffM | then see if the list gets back to you |
| 00:34.57 | bz18 | is this layout good? |
| 00:35.01 | blast007 | is it running right now? |
| 00:35.01 | bz18 | how? |
| 00:35.07 | JeffM | ruh -d -d -d |
| 00:35.11 | bz18 | how do i? |
| 00:35.12 | JeffM | and see if you see the list server conenct |
| 00:35.24 | bz18 | using what? |
| 00:35.28 | JeffM | if it dosn't then ether your address is wrong, or your port is wrong |
| 00:35.30 | blast007 | run the server |
| 00:35.30 | JeffM | using the server |
| 00:35.33 | JeffM | -d is a paramater |
| 00:35.35 | JeffM | add 3 of em |
| 00:35.42 | bz18 | k |
| 00:35.45 | bz18 | wait |
| 00:36.40 | bz18 | it says a private server is running |
| 00:36.47 | JeffM | what does? |
| 00:36.53 | bz18 | the cmd |
| 00:36.55 | JeffM | please remember that we can't see your screen or read your mind |
| 00:37.14 | blast007 | did you tell it to use your config file? |
| 00:37.18 | JeffM | what is the command line |
| 00:37.25 | JeffM | yeah, are you just doing bzfs ? |
| 00:37.40 | JeffM | or bzfs -config "your/config.file" ? |
| 00:37.45 | bz18 | im using windows cmd |
| 00:37.46 | JeffM | or is it conf? |
| 00:37.59 | JeffM | bz18: and what are you typing into that? |
| 00:38.15 | bz18 | cd C:\program files\bzflag2.0.10 |
| 00:38.23 | JeffM | and? |
| 00:38.28 | bz18 | bzfs.exe -ddd |
| 00:38.33 | JeffM | that would be your problem |
| 00:38.35 | blast007 | you need to load your config too |
| 00:38.44 | JeffM | what is the name of your conf file? |
| 00:38.45 | blast007 | is your config file inside that directory? |
| 00:38.57 | bz18 | what directery |
| 00:39.05 | JeffM | where is the file that had all those options? |
| 00:39.05 | blast007 | the one you cd'ed to |
| 00:39.10 | JeffM | and what is it named? |
| 00:39.15 | bz18 | wait |
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| 00:59.39 | blast007 | haha.. |
| 00:59.42 | blast007 | ~dns kylethedude2.webhop.net |
| 00:59.46 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:00.01 | blast007 | that guy's server isn't going to work :P |
| 01:00.39 | Winny | lol |
| 01:01.06 | Winny | hmm |
| 01:01.18 | Winny | ~dns imtoocheaptopayforadomain.dyndns.org |
| 01:01.22 | Winny | bah |
| 01:01.25 | Winny | was worth a shot |
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| 01:13.35 | spldart | heh.. heheh ..... heheheheheh........ heh |
| 01:15.03 | Winny | spldart: I see.. |
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| 01:52.07 | EvanEjk | How long does it normaly take when you sumit an image to the bzflag image uploader? |
| 01:52.48 | blast007 | somewhere from one minute to one year |
| 01:52.56 | blast007 | it's when we get to it ;) |
| 01:53.52 | EvanEjk | ok |
| 01:53.59 | blast007 | those textures are pointless. they're just a solid color. You can do color right in your BZW |
| 01:54.05 | blast007 | I think the diffuse color does it |
| 01:54.13 | EvanEjk | thats to confusing |
| 01:54.22 | blast007 | uh, no it's not |
| 01:54.35 | EvanEjk | it me not a normal person |
| 01:55.17 | EvanEjk | can you just put them on to save me another 1/2 hour please? |
| 01:57.20 | EvanEjk | i guess if you dont put them on ill search through other people's untill i find one that looks good |
| 01:59.14 | EvanEjk | ooo found some nice plain color's in r3lax's |
| 02:00.12 | blast007 | actually, they're not a plain color |
| 02:00.21 | blast007 | look close |
| 02:00.40 | EvanEjk | good enough for me |
| 02:00.45 | blast007 | heh |
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| 02:09.33 | EvanEjk | so will you put the plain ones op? |
| 02:09.52 | blast007 | sure |
| 02:10.31 | EvanEjk | ya |
| 02:11.32 | blast007 | done |
| 02:11.52 | EvanEjk | thanks |
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| 02:42.54 | Flash | would there be anything negative about having the net I/O in bzfs.cxx done via callback? Using NetListener instead of coding it explicitly? |
| 02:44.45 | JeffM | my goal was to have bzfs use the same mechanism |
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| 02:45.14 | Flash | ok, cool. that's what looked like the right idea, but I didn't want to go down that path if there was a reason not do |
| 02:45.17 | Flash | to |
| 02:45.51 | Ride- | guys can anyone help me wit -advertise |
| 02:46.44 | JeffM | Ride-: what about it? |
| 02:46.49 | Ride- | how do i do it |
| 02:46.54 | Ride- | i cant find it on wiki |
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| 02:47.12 | JeffM | you give it the group names you want to limit your server to listing for |
| 02:47.24 | Ride- | so would it look like this |
| 02:47.32 | Ride- | -advertise then group names |
| 02:47.45 | JeffM | I belive it's one group name per call to -advertise |
| 02:47.53 | Ride- | ok |
| 02:47.54 | JeffM | what groups do you want to limit your server do? |
| 02:47.56 | Ride- | ill try it |
| 02:47.57 | JeffM | to? |
| 02:48.05 | JeffM | cus basicly that will exclude EVERYONE else |
| 02:48.06 | Flash | no, it's a comma separated list |
| 02:48.07 | Ride- | Snow.Cop and Snow.Admin |
| 02:48.10 | Ride- | i know |
| 02:48.17 | JeffM | ahh , seperated then |
| 02:48.17 | Ride- | its for my teams |
| 02:48.20 | Ride- | n |
| 02:48.24 | Ride- | ok |
| 02:48.29 | JeffM | so -advertise Snow.Cop,Snow.Admin |
| 02:48.35 | Ride- | so -advertise Snow.Cop,Snow.Admin |
| 02:48.38 | Ride- | oh lol |
| 02:48.40 | Ride- | i see |
| 02:48.41 | Ride- | :D |
| 02:48.45 | Ride- | thank you guys |
| 02:57.14 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1028 10/trunk/src/Makefile.am: list the libs as libs instead of flags so they get passed through as dependencies in the libtool archive |
| 02:58.41 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1029 10/trunk/src/ (FTFont/FTTextureFont.cpp FTLayout/FTLayout.cpp): refer to local/private headers with local path inclusion, otherwise the search include paths are wrong |
| 03:10.18 | Flash | in bzfs, after trying (unsuccessfully) to bind to the specified port, the system picks a random port. Do we really want to keep that "feature"? |
| 03:10.29 | JeffM | it should fail |
| 03:10.34 | JeffM | I've seen it fail |
| 03:10.46 | blast007 | what OS is it picking a random port on? |
| 03:10.49 | JeffM | "unable to open socket" |
| 03:10.54 | blast007 | it always has failed for me |
| 03:11.19 | Flash | blast007: it's the BSD socket interface |
| 03:11.35 | JeffM | you positive about that |
| 03:11.38 | JeffM | have you tested it? |
| 03:13.45 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1030 10/trunk/m4/ (gl.m4 glut.m4): |
| 03:13.45 | CIA-32 | FTGL: fix the gl/glut tests so that they also work on mac os x where libraries are |
| 03:13.45 | CIA-32 | FTGL: specified through frameworks instead of libs. libtool 1.5 and earlier are |
| 03:13.45 | CIA-32 | FTGL: unfortunately have busted behavior with -no-undefined libraries as it strips off |
| 03:13.45 | CIA-32 | FTGL: unrecognized options, hence the use of -Xlinker |
| 03:19.11 | Flash | JeffM: no, I haven't tried to make the code fail. There is an "if (!clOptions->useFallbackPort)" before the random port stuff |
| 03:19.23 | Flash | so I guess there's an option that's supposed to enable that |
| 03:21.02 | Flash | -pf |
| 03:21.25 | Flash | it's undocumented |
| 03:22.55 | Ride- | how do i add a countdown |
| 03:24.18 | blast007 | Ride-: with -countdown :P |
| 03:24.27 | blast007 | read 'bzfs -help' |
| 03:24.31 | blast007 | or man bzfs |
| 03:25.00 | Ride- | do i have to put in a time |
| 03:25.31 | blast007 | read the docs |
| 03:25.50 | Ride- | it didnt work |
| 03:25.55 | Ride- | -countdown |
| 03:26.11 | blast007 | did you give a duration? |
| 03:26.19 | Ride- | no |
| 03:26.21 | blast007 | then you didn't read the docs |
| 03:26.26 | Ride- | im looking up on wiki |
| 03:26.36 | blast007 | dude, type bzfs -help |
| 03:26.39 | blast007 | read the usage part |
| 03:26.42 | Flash | or look at misc/bzfs.conf in the source ;-) |
| 03:26.54 | blast007 | if you are in screen, it's easier to run: bzfs -help | less |
| 03:27.07 | blast007 | then you can scroll the output |
| 03:27.15 | blast007 | or 'man bzfs' |
| 03:27.22 | blast007 | it's not that hard |
| 03:30.23 | Ride- | its not in the -help |
| 03:30.26 | Ride- | i looked |
| 03:30.33 | Ride- | no -countdown |
| 03:31.14 | Flash | you need -timemanual |
| 03:31.35 | Flash | that enables /countdown |
| 03:32.03 | Flash | and -time <duration> probably |
| 03:34.28 | blast007 | ah, guess it is time |
| 03:55.26 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1031 10/trunk/m4/gl.m4: test with LIBS instead of LDFLAGS but don't persist since that's done later |
| 03:59.09 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1032 10/trunk/configure.ac: add an output summary |
| 04:00.11 | AAA_awright | Implemented searching in $PATH like you suggested blast007. Only took a dozen lines, I was surprised. |
| 04:02.33 | blast007 | cool |
| 04:03.09 | Flash | AAA_awright: execvp doesn't work? |
| 04:03.58 | AAA_awright | Flash: For simply searching $PATH for bzfs, I don't want to fork to which. exec, one of the variants, does work, though |
| 04:04.26 | AAA_awright | I am redirecting output from bzfs to a file from MasterBot which is nice |
| 04:04.44 | Flash | my memory is failing, but there is actually a system call for searching a path.... |
| 04:05.28 | AAA_awright | stat? |
| 04:06.05 | AAA_awright | Now this is funny... <e>bzfs_file_out: Permission denied</e> It was working a minute ago |
| 04:07.04 | AAA_awright | I have never seen that file mode before... fun. |
| 04:07.06 | AAA_awright | -r----x--T 1 aaa aaa 21 2008-04-30 10:17 bzfs_out_1 |
| 04:09.18 | Flash | it's called the sticky bit |
| 04:09.33 | AAA_awright | T? Thought it was s. For directories at least. |
| 04:09.38 | Flash | mode 1210 |
| 04:10.13 | AAA_awright | Wouldn't that be the first character? A dash in front should be octal 0... |
| 04:10.15 | Flash | not something that's likely to occur in nature |
| 04:10.30 | Flash | I'm sorry.. 1410 |
| 04:10.38 | Flash | the first character is the file type |
| 04:10.50 | Flash | - for regular files, d for directories, etc. |
| 04:11.04 | AAA_awright | Yeah, thats right |
| 04:11.11 | Flash | next 3 are owner permissions rwx (r--) in your case |
| 04:11.58 | Flash | then group (--x) then other (--T) |
| 04:12.33 | Flash | the sticky bits are set in the high order octal digit 4000-suid, 2000-sgid, 1000-sticky |
| 04:13.09 | Flash | frankly, I've never been clear on what the sticky bit does. |
| 04:13.21 | AAA_awright | Why is a capital T? The man page says only the letters "rwxXstugo" are used |
| 04:13.37 | Flash | I think if it is set on a directory, only the owner of a file can delete a file |
| 04:14.11 | Flash | one form includes "other" execute permission, the other doesn't |
| 04:14.14 | AAA_awright | I know that much, what about a normal file? That wouldn't make any sense. |
| 04:14.20 | Flash | I think the capital is without execute |
| 04:14.31 | Flash | you can set any mode you like; it doesn't have to make sense |
| 04:14.42 | AAA_awright | The whole mode doesn't make any sense, the owner can only read, the group can only execute, anyone can only... T... |
| 04:15.46 | AAA_awright | No, I am limited to the characters rwxXstugo |
| 04:16.00 | Flash | you can set mode as an octal value |
| 04:16.08 | Flash | chmod 421000 filename |
| 04:16.17 | Flash | doesn't make sense, but you can do it |
| 04:16.26 | AAA_awright | chmod: invalid mode: `o+T' |
| 04:16.43 | Flash | chmod 1410 filename |
| 04:16.46 | Flash | try it |
| 04:16.56 | AAA_awright | chmod: invalid mode: `421000' |
| 04:17.02 | AAA_awright | Well, GNU doesn't at least |
| 04:17.35 | AAA_awright | Aha, -r----x--T 1 aaa aaa 0 2008-04-30 10:26 test |
| 04:17.47 | Flash | I'm sorry... I'm an idiot |
| 04:17.57 | Flash | one digit per thingy |
| 04:18.05 | Flash | chmod 7000 filename |
| 04:18.51 | AAA_awright | And why is bzfs_err_1 different... this is just slightly odd. -r----s--T |
| 04:19.01 | AAA_awright | I opened them the same way, but they have different modes |
| 04:19.10 | Flash | then compare to chmod 7111 filename |
| 04:19.16 | Flash | and you should have lower-case letters |
| 04:19.32 | Flash | it's just a mode |
| 04:19.55 | Flash | -r----s--T is 3410 |
| 04:20.30 | Flash | the third argument to ::open() is a mode |
| 04:20.34 | Flash | (optional) |
| 04:21.15 | Flash | hmmm. my man page says it's required for O_CREAT |
| 04:30.00 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1033 10/trunk/m4/glut.m4: GLUT framework needs the OpenGL framework, use the same Xlinker hack for libtool |
| 04:31.11 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1034 10/trunk/configure.ac: have to add the default include dir path to the CPPFLAGS so we can find the headers |
| 04:35.43 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1035 10/trunk/Makefile.am: print an informative summary |
| 04:46.59 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1036 10/trunk/NEWS: annotate that sam fixed many bugs related to memory corruption, leaks, and prevented/fixed more than a handful of bugs through inspection and valgrinding |
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| 04:50.14 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1037 10/trunk/NEWS: credit self for the precomputed glyph and kerning tables that gave a nice performance boost to the font rendering (at a mild expense of 64k memory per font face) |
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| 04:55.17 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1038 10/trunk/ChangeLog: initial changelog through today created via svn2cl.sh -i -a |
| 05:04.26 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1039 10/trunk/Makefile.am: include the changelog |
| 05:37.40 | AAA_awright | Committed MasterBot rev 5 :) |
| 05:37.46 | AAA_awright | Night. |
| 05:38.30 | AAA_awright | Still need to figure out AC_DEFINE though... then I can commit the plugin. |
| 05:38.32 | AAA_awright | Good night. |
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| 05:45.55 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1040 10/trunk/configure.ac: sort makefiles for easier comparison |
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| 06:04.30 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1041 10/trunk/ (Makefile.am cleanup): remove the silly one-liner cleanup script that just removes Finder files |
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| 06:23.09 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1042 10/trunk/src/FTGL/ftgl.h: quell compilation warnings about the last enum having a comma |
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| 06:34.35 | sam | brlcad: about r1027, I don't have an executable called "cppunit", it only consists of libs and headers here |
| 06:46.39 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r17138 10/trunk/bzflag/ (304 files in 29 dirs): update to the latest merged (svn unreleased) ftgl sources up through r1042 including the new header and prefix names as well as building it unmodified as a sub-configure target. |
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| 09:14.26 | Ashvala | Hello |
| 09:14.32 | Ashvala | Anyone here? |
| 09:43.45 | brlcad | nope |
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| 09:57.13 | sam | brlcad: what was the problem exactly with PKG_CHECK_MODULES? |
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| 12:48.43 | brlcad | sam: the macro didn't exist |
| 12:49.37 | brlcad | only when pkg-config is installed |
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| 12:51.48 | brlcad | should be able to make it work if the m4 is tossed in |
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| 13:39.02 | ndim | sam/brlcad: Sounds like someone should add a line m4_pattern_forbid([PKG_CHECK_MODULES])dnl before that PKG_CHECK_MODULES call. |
| 13:39.39 | ndim | And an FAQ/README entry regarding the triggered error message. |
| 13:50.34 | Winny | Can anyone think of a reason BZFS wouldn't list the replays in order when someone runs a /replay list ? |
| 13:57.21 | ndim | Bad admin, bad code, or it just uses a different order. |
| 13:57.30 | ndim | is guessing |
| 14:06.42 | whodaman | Winny, that's how it is on all servers, right? Not that that's an answer |
| 14:07.52 | Thumper_ | Winny: define 'in order' It's probably in directory retrieval order now |
| 14:08.04 | Thumper_ | ie whatever order the OS returns the filenames |
| 14:09.09 | Winny | ahh |
| 14:09.15 | whodaman | Thumper_, he's wondering why bzfs doesn't list them with the last replay in /replay list being the latest |
| 14:09.28 | Thumper_ | whodaman: yes he is. |
| 14:09.37 | whodaman | uh |
| 14:09.40 | whodaman | yeah :P |
| 14:09.42 | Winny | whodaman, he's correct |
| 14:09.58 | whodaman | yeah, i know |
| 14:11.24 | KyleVE | does this still work? |
| 14:11.24 | KyleVE | hmm, cool |
| 14:11.38 | whodaman | eh/ |
| 14:11.39 | whodaman | ? |
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| 14:53.12 | Winny | brlcad: :) |
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| 15:05.34 | Ride- | who can approve my map for league matches |
| 15:05.44 | Ride- | some one said that i have to get it approved |
| 15:06.16 | Winny | huh |
| 15:06.24 | Winny | Ducati uses a random map |
| 15:06.27 | Winny | GU uses HiX |
| 15:06.37 | Ride- | no i mean to be able to use it for matches |
| 15:06.45 | Ride- | and to be able to use countdown |
| 15:07.03 | Winny | "to be able to use it for matches" ? |
| 15:07.17 | Ride- | to play league matches on it |
| 15:07.18 | Ride- | idk |
| 15:07.27 | Winny | as I said |
| 15:07.33 | Ride- | but to use countdown on it i have to get it approved |
| 15:07.36 | Winny | Ducati uses a random map, GU uses HiX |
| 15:07.39 | pacman87 | if it's a new map, it needs a new league |
| 15:07.41 | Ride- | no i have the hix map |
| 15:07.52 | Ride- | pacman87:? |
| 15:08.00 | pacman87 | so you want to host for GU? |
| 15:08.00 | Winny | you need to get your server approved by the GU admins if you want to host a maych server. |
| 15:08.05 | Ride- | no |
| 15:08.31 | Ride- | i have a private team practice map and we want to have countdown |
| 15:08.38 | Ride- | but when i put in -timemanual |
| 15:08.41 | Ride- | it wont work |
| 15:08.48 | Winny | you need -time too... |
| 15:09.01 | Ride- | so i dont need it approved |
| 15:09.26 | Winny | why would you need to get a private server approved...? |
| 15:09.31 | Ride- | idk |
| 15:09.35 | Ride- | someone said i had to |
| 15:09.38 | Ride- | but what ever |
| 15:09.48 | Ride- | -time isnt on the wiki in the bzfs command line |
| 15:10.15 | Winny | so? |
| 15:10.19 | Winny | Add it to the wiki |
| 15:10.35 | Winny | the whole point of a wiki is to allow users to modify and expand it |
| 15:10.43 | Ride- | well do i have to put something after -time like a duratation or something |
| 15:10.55 | Winny | indeed.. -time <seconds> |
| 15:11.11 | Ride- | ok |
| 15:11.18 | Ride- | ill add it to the wiki |
| 15:11.23 | Winny | :) |
| 15:12.43 | brlcad | Winny: about time?! eh? |
| 15:13.00 | brlcad | it should be good to go |
| 15:13.23 | Winny | brlcad: perhaps you could give me an admin account so I could do some configuring? :p |
| 15:13.48 | Winny | oh, I spoke too soon |
| 15:15.14 | Winny | I suppose I should do those IE 6 fixes now |
| 15:18.19 | Winny | hmm.. XP SP3 forces an upgrade to IE 7 :/ |
| 15:18.24 | Winny | that.. sucks |
| 15:21.55 | Winny | I guess I'll have to use a VM |
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| 15:58.26 | spldart | is currently installing xp pro/debian dual boot on wife's machine and wonders if he should goto SP3 or stand at 2 |
| 15:59.24 | Winny | I'd go to SP3 |
| 15:59.33 | Winny | 10% faster they say |
| 16:01.48 | spldart | Really? |
| 16:01.56 | spldart | It would be goin on a sempron 3300 |
| 16:03.16 | pacman87 | my understanding is that SP3 is a collection of previously released patches |
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| 16:12.27 | sam | brlcad: sounds reasonable to have autogen.sh check for pkg-config then; it's not like hundreds of people without pkg-config will build it from SVN anyway |
| 16:13.10 | brlcad | as opposed to just including the m4? |
| 16:14.53 | brlcad | autogen.sh is basically a portable validating wrapper around autoreconf functionality, it really shouldn't need mods |
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| 16:24.46 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1043 10/trunk/ (Makefile.am configure.ac m4/pkg.m4): revert the r1027 changes related to PKG_CHECK_MODULES. provide the macro via the pkg.m4 script but still don't abort if it's not found. |
| 16:25.00 | brlcad | that should do the trick |
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| 17:21.09 | BulletCatcher | Is it worthwhile to apply the FTGL r1043 changes to the copy of FTGL that is now in the BZFlag trunk? |
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| 17:38.59 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hello |
| 17:39.26 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | what I need to do when I get error 2 connecting to a server? |
| 17:43.15 | catay | Kamus_H_Zwisch: how do you mean ? |
| 17:43.31 | catay | Kamus_H_Zwisch: what server? your own ? |
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| 18:55.04 | KTL | back from spain |
| 18:55.26 | blast007 | KTL: cool :) |
| 18:55.34 | KTL | it was :) |
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| 19:38.09 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1044 10/trunk/src/FTFont/FTFont.cpp: |
| 19:38.09 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Cast strings to unsigned char * before handling them to our internal |
| 19:38.09 | CIA-32 | FTGL: methods, because the chars may be cast directly to int, causing crashes |
| 19:38.09 | CIA-32 | FTGL: with 8-bit strings. |
| 19:38.43 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1045 10/trunk/src/FTGL/ (19 files): |
| 19:38.43 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Put my name and Sean's in the public headers so that people know who to |
| 19:38.43 | CIA-32 | FTGL: contact. |
| 19:38.57 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1046 10/trunk/src/FTFont/ (FTFont.cpp FTFontImpl.h): * The FTFont<->FTFontImpl bridge is now complete. |
| 19:39.36 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1047 10/trunk/src/ (21 files in 2 dirs): |
| 19:39.36 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Put MakeGlyph back into FT*Font classes instead of FT*FontImpl, and make |
| 19:39.36 | CIA-32 | FTGL: it use as few FT*FontImpl members as possible so that external application |
| 19:39.36 | CIA-32 | FTGL: may actually have a chance to properly subclass us. |
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| 19:48.44 | bz25 | Hi |
| 19:48.52 | bz25 | I have one question |
| 19:49.04 | bz25 | How would you make BZadmin log? |
| 19:49.52 | blast007 | bzadmin log? or do you mean a log from bzfs? |
| 19:51.58 | blast007 | if you're wanting to log from bzadmin, you can use: bzadmin -ui stdout callsign@server:port >> log.txt |
| 19:52.50 | blast007 | or you can also replace the >> log.txt with | tee -a log.txt (if you're on a system with tee. That will output to the terminal, and append to the file log.txt) |
| 19:55.28 | blast007 | bz25: does that help? |
| 19:58.48 | Flash | guess so |
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| 20:17.03 | bz128 | Hello |
| 20:17.19 | Winny | hi |
| 20:17.22 | bz128 | The power went out before I could get the complete answer about the BZflag Logger. |
| 20:17.27 | bz128 | I asked a while ago. |
| 20:17.42 | bz128 | I am trying to use BZadmin on Windows to log the server. |
| 20:19.20 | blast007 | I gave you an answer |
| 20:19.25 | blast007 | did you not see it? |
| 20:19.38 | blast007 | why are you using bzadmin to log? |
| 20:19.49 | blast007 | bzfs has it's own logging ability |
| 20:20.06 | bz128 | What line do i have to add? |
| 20:20.13 | bz128 | I am sorry, my power went out |
| 20:20.41 | blast007 | to bzfs? something like -d or -dd should be enough |
| 20:20.50 | blast007 | then you can redirect to a file |
| 20:21.36 | Flash | 13:51 <+blast007> if you're wanting to log from bzadmin, you can use: bzadmin -ui stdout callsign@server:port >> log.txt |
| 20:21.43 | Flash | 13:52 <+blast007> or you can also replace the >> log.txt with | tee -a log.txt (if you're on a system with tee. That will output to the terminal, and append to the file log.txt) |
| 20:22.02 | blast007 | still, he should be doing it from bzfs |
| 20:22.50 | blast007 | bzadmin can go into infinite loops if the server crashes ;) |
| 20:22.56 | blast007 | so it's not the best to use for logging |
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| 20:36.13 | Flash | in bzfs after the select() call, there's a whole section of code to deal with possible I/O. At the end of the non-player side is an "else" for "there is no data, do delete us or move along...." |
| 20:36.18 | TJ13820 | BZAdmins. I need to ask a question of you. I just had a mouth on a server tell me he stole work of another host, and put it on another server without conscent. Can i get him list serv banned so he can't h ost it? |
| 20:36.31 | TJ13820 | he used /saveworld to steadl the map |
| 20:36.35 | Rebel | im not here for questions just you know...stuff -_- |
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| 20:37.00 | DrRobotnik | Hello All |
| 20:37.07 | Flash | If I follow this corectly, the second time through the loop after a connection, the connection could be dropped? |
| 20:37.22 | TJ13820 | Hello DrRobotnik, i have already asked |
| 20:37.26 | Rebel | hey robo |
| 20:37.29 | DrRobotnik | and? |
| 20:37.33 | TJ13820 | nothing yet |
| 20:38.28 | TJ13820 | it usually takes a wile i would assume that most people have more to do on sunday than talk on IRC :-) |
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| 20:38.38 | Rebel | umm i need to know the list commands for admins you know future preparations |
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| 20:38.56 | blast007 | TJ13820: which map did they "steal" |
| 20:39.09 | TJ13820 | Dr.Robotniks "Plaza" |
| 20:39.20 | DrRobotnik | Mine. I never released it on the forum. |
| 20:39.24 | DrRobotnik | Ever. |
| 20:39.53 | DrRobotnik | Not under any licence of any sort, I just provide acess to it. |
| 20:40.13 | TJ13820 | He's claiming he has GPL rights, but it was never released with the liscense file or any kind of "Use as you wish" gaurantee, so it is a private work on a public server |
| 20:40.16 | blast007 | tell them to stop hosting or you will send a C&D to their ISP for stolen copyrighten material |
| 20:40.30 | blast007 | or however a C&D works |
| 20:40.47 | DrRobotnik | Oh Wonderful....Legal stuff. |
| 20:41.02 | blast007 | well, that IS the issue here |
| 20:41.09 | DrRobotnik | I dont have the time or the cash to do that. |
| 20:41.10 | blast007 | he stole a copyrighten map |
| 20:41.14 | blast007 | cash? |
| 20:41.16 | Flash | can't we just shoot him? |
| 20:41.21 | TJ13820 | we have their IP address/Name and just want a BZAdmin to tell them it's against the rules. He is clearly not going to listen to us |
| 20:41.25 | blast007 | a C&D doesn't cost anything :P |
| 20:41.28 | Rebel | .who owns planet mofo? |
| 20:41.35 | DrRobotnik | good point. |
| 20:41.44 | blast007 | I've send C&D's before |
| 20:41.47 | blast007 | sent* |
| 20:41.57 | blast007 | where are they running it? |
| 20:42.01 | TJ13820 | is it at all possible to have him banned from hosting a server through list serv? |
| 20:42.07 | blast007 | that is a possibility too |
| 20:42.12 | DrRobotnik | just look up my name |
| 20:42.16 | DrRobotnik | the IP is mine |
| 20:42.23 | DrRobotnik | With full titile |
| 20:42.27 | blast007 | here? 72.73.42.72:5154 |
| 20:42.28 | DrRobotnik | Below, a copy |
| 20:42.33 | DrRobotnik | that is mine |
| 20:42.36 | blast007 | k |
| 20:42.40 | TJ13820 | if you would like his ip, i can give it to you, his name is EvanEJK |
| 20:42.50 | Flash | sigh |
| 20:42.51 | blast007 | 71.171.76.63:5154 that one? |
| 20:43.08 | Rebel | (sniff ) oh, ok guys i can see noone wants me to be here=( well bye guys (sniff) |
| 20:43.18 | DrRobotnik | yes |
| 20:43.19 | blast007 | Rebel: there is a channel for planetmofo |
| 20:43.23 | DrRobotnik | yes |
| 20:43.28 | Rebel | oh thank you |
| 20:43.29 | DrRobotnik | I think it is #mofo |
| 20:43.29 | blast007 | but you probably can't join with the CGI:IRC client |
| 20:43.36 | blast007 | ##planetmofo |
| 20:43.44 | DrRobotnik | ok, back to busness |
| 20:43.51 | Rebel | k thanks i just needed that thanks guys |
| 20:43.59 | DrRobotnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.08 | Rebel | lol me to |
| 20:44.08 | Flash | ~kill EvanEJK |
| 20:44.09 | ibot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged pseudoproton gun at EvanEJK |
| 20:44.34 | DrRobotnik | Me shoots a Laser at his house form space, leaving a crator. |
| 20:44.39 | blast007 | I don't see that other one on the list now |
| 20:44.50 | blast007 | only two, one from NN, and the 72. one |
| 20:44.54 | TJ13820 | well, Dr.Robotnik, dinner time, be back in a few. |
| 20:44.55 | DrRobotnik | ok |
| 20:45.04 | blast007 | if you see it again, let me know |
| 20:45.29 | DrRobotnik | WAIT |
| 20:45.33 | DrRobotnik | That is the copy! |
| 20:45.41 | DrRobotnik | That rat....Using NN to host it.... |
| 20:45.43 | blast007 | linuxmain.net:6020 Dr's Plaza ? |
| 20:45.47 | DrRobotnik | yes |
| 20:45.50 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:45.54 | Think_Differentl | nn |
| 20:45.57 | blast007 | go tell NN to stop hosting a stolen map |
| 20:46.00 | DrRobotnik | I have had issues with nn in the past |
| 20:46.09 | DrRobotnik | He does not respond to me at all. |
| 20:46.25 | DrRobotnik | I was an admin, stoped many attacks, reported a BROKEN BANLIST!!! |
| 20:46.40 | DrRobotnik | And what do I get back? Bupkies! |
| 20:46.56 | catay | welcome to the real world ;) |
| 20:47.00 | blast007 | nobody is on that server right now |
| 20:47.05 | DrRobotnik | Thank You |
| 20:47.06 | DrRobotnik | I know |
| 20:47.09 | DrRobotnik | go to mine |
| 20:47.09 | blast007 | you could go and leave a report though |
| 20:47.12 | DrRobotnik | he is there |
| 20:47.16 | blast007 | nn is? |
| 20:47.24 | DrRobotnik | no |
| 20:47.27 | DrRobotnik | The copier |
| 20:47.34 | DrRobotnik | nn is never even on his servers :P |
| 20:47.55 | blast007 | who is the "copier" ? |
| 20:48.16 | Flash | ~coffee blast007 |
| 20:48.18 | ibot | ACTION steals some of ibot's special coffee and gives it to blast007 on a silver platter. |
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| 20:48.49 | Flash | 14:42 < TJ13820> if you would like his ip, i can give it to you, his name is EvanEJK |
| 20:51.04 | Winny | That's really close to my other IRC name >_< |
| 20:51.13 | DrRobotnik | EvanEjK |
| 20:51.19 | DrRobotnik | I wrote down ip |
| 20:51.25 | DrRobotnik | but |
| 20:51.34 | DrRobotnik | he is using nn to host |
| 20:51.46 | Winny | then contact NN |
| 20:52.00 | DrRobotnik | Making it inposible to get it removed, BECOUSE NN NEVER REPLIES OR DOES ANYTHING |
| 20:52.08 | Winny | sure he does. |
| 20:52.11 | DrRobotnik | It is a really long story. |
| 20:52.12 | Winny | He's on here regularily. |
| 20:52.19 | DrRobotnik | really? |
| 20:52.29 | Winny | really. |
| 20:52.32 | DrRobotnik | He never responds to forum PMs or even checks in on the servers. |
| 20:52.47 | DrRobotnik | The BANLIST was broken for a MONTH! |
| 20:52.54 | Winny | contact NN about it. |
| 20:52.55 | jnd | is today some special, cheating allowed day? because I played few moments ago, somebody with nick kAbLOOiE took our flag, went through two walls, capped the flag and admins haven't done anything, they told me to stop discussing that and the player left later with didn't cheat repeating few times, that's nice.... |
| 20:53.10 | Winny | this channel is not to discuss matters with servers |
| 20:53.33 | DrRobotnik | Then what is its purpouse? |
| 20:53.38 | jnd | ok, where can I discuss that? |
| 20:54.02 | jnd | seems like nobody cares today |
| 20:54.11 | Winny | jnd: the server or its admins should provide you with that information. |
| 20:58.16 | Winny | If the server doesn't have a good administration team, don't play there |
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| 21:15.17 | spldart | snap... |
| 21:15.23 | spldart | it's getting bad |
| 21:15.50 | spldart | Leave their server and find another that is moderated more effectively |
| 21:16.04 | Winny | indeed |
| 21:17.32 | brlcad | the channel is for all bzflag matters |
| 21:17.35 | spldart | Oh and DrRbotonik and to whom it may concern.. This channel is for discussion related to the development of the next release of BZFlag. Not individual servers |
| 21:17.42 | spldart | err. |
| 21:17.45 | brlcad | just some topics more than others, and some taking precedence over others |
| 21:18.04 | spldart | bows to brlcad's seniority |
| 21:18.25 | brlcad | at least that's how it's been for years :) |
| 21:18.35 | brlcad | some have started pushing to make it more a dev channel |
| 21:19.09 | brlcad | but I don't really see the point if the chatter is low, they have/can coexist just fine |
| 21:19.38 | spldart | Generally the farthest I take it is a 'heads up' for a specific tanker name or IP. |
| 21:19.51 | spldart | has been chastised for goin further :-p |
| 21:19.51 | brlcad | that said, the answer is still often "go talk to a server admin/op" for individual server issues regardless |
| 21:20.55 | Winny | brlcad: When they haveover 100 lines that could be explained in less then 10, it's a bit extreme |
| 21:20.59 | spldart | goes back to S4 E22 of SG1 |
| 21:21.22 | brlcad | Winny: hm? |
| 21:21.45 | Winny | there |
| 21:21.47 | Winny | oops |
| 21:22.02 | Winny | there's like 100 lines of DrRobotnik rambling for no reason |
| 21:22.37 | blast007 | uh, I was discussing with him as well, Winny |
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| 21:23.47 | brlcad | Winny: sure but that just points to the last thing I said .. the answer is still often "go talk to a server admin/op" (directly whether here or otherwise) |
| 21:29.21 | spldart | reboot.... |
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| 22:26.56 | AAA_awright | brlcad: You experimented with a URL handler, right? |
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