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| 00:12.45 | JeffM | http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/4/27/okayuholdthe128538112538750000.jpg |
| 00:23.24 | AAA_awright | ~joke |
| 00:23.24 | ibot | A bhuddist monk goes to a hot dog vendor and says "Make me one with everything!" |
| 00:33.54 | donny_baker | JeffM: logo locks a little twisted... wonder it it is becuase there are only 2 tracks on one side vs 3 on the other |
| 00:34.10 | JeffM | donny_baker: the tank is turning ;) |
| 00:34.18 | JeffM | cus the icon is skewed |
| 00:34.25 | JeffM | and I don't have a stright one |
| 00:36.14 | donny_baker | :) |
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| 00:59.41 | a_temp_dist | hi there - is it possible for an obs player to send a team message to one of the playing teams? |
| 01:05.26 | TJ13820 | only with personal messages |
| 01:05.39 | TJ13820 | but even then it's just one to one conversation |
| 01:06.59 | EvanEjk | hey JeffM |
| 01:07.01 | EvanEjk | guess what |
| 01:07.03 | EvanEjk | http://www.bzfmaps.net/~evanejk/smallertakethat.PNG |
| 01:08.26 | TJ13820 | saweeeeeeet |
| 01:08.36 | TJ13820 | that is pretty cool EvanEjk |
| 01:08.45 | EvanEjk | ye |
| 01:09.10 | TJ13820 | even sais "take that Jeff" on the windows toolbar |
| 01:09.11 | TJ13820 | :-P |
| 01:09.20 | EvanEjk | ya |
| 01:09.46 | TJ13820 | did you do it with sketchuppro? |
| 01:09.52 | EvanEjk | there still is no uv cords but if you use different colors it doesn't matter |
| 01:09.55 | EvanEjk | no |
| 01:10.03 | EvanEjk | normal free sketchup |
| 01:10.13 | EvanEjk | i found a way to export it |
| 01:10.22 | TJ13820 | how'd you do it? |
| 01:10.35 | EvanEjk | one sec |
| 01:10.38 | TJ13820 | kk |
| 01:11.41 | EvanEjk | http://forums.devshed.com/game-development-141/converting-sketchup-models-to-3dst-519710.html |
| 01:12.44 | EvanEjk | the trick is to chech the embed texture in fbxConverter |
| 01:12.49 | EvanEjk | *check |
| 01:13.17 | TJ13820 | nice, i'm going to start doing this instead of using Autocad and Inventor |
| 01:13.37 | EvanEjk | you have to use textures that are a solid color |
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| 01:14.00 | TJ13820 | so no textures like "bricks, stone, glass, etc" |
| 01:14.05 | EvanEjk | and use diferent colors other wise... well you'll find out |
| 01:14.20 | Lukstr | They're not really textures if they're just solid colours |
| 01:14.24 | EvanEjk | dont use non solid colors |
| 01:15.03 | TJ13820 | ohh okay |
| 01:16.26 | TJ13820 | a map with these kind of features will be sweet |
| 01:16.37 | TJ13820 | i'll see if i can get one finished over the summer |
| 01:18.09 | Flash | Chiao..... is that like Ch-ch-ch-ch-chia ?? |
| 01:22.26 | AHA | ~blast007++ |
| 01:31.03 | EvanEjk | raise your hand if you know how to use plugins on a server when your using a ssh account |
| 01:31.12 | EvanEjk | please :D |
| 01:33.18 | JeffM | EvanEjk: those don't look like good normals |
| 01:33.36 | EvanEjk | normals? |
| 01:33.44 | JeffM | normals |
| 01:33.58 | EvanEjk | oh jeff did you look at this? http://www.bzfmaps.net/~evanejk/smallertakethat.PNG |
| 01:34.07 | JeffM | yes |
| 01:34.31 | JeffM | even if you texture it, it's not going to be light right untill the normals are right |
| 01:34.39 | EvanEjk | ya your right |
| 01:35.12 | EvanEjk | like with wings it you go to the roof it looks weird |
| 01:35.26 | JeffM | wings sucks at normals too |
| 01:35.37 | EvanEjk | normals? |
| 01:36.00 | JeffM | normals |
| 01:36.15 | EvanEjk | i dont get it what are normals |
| 01:37.21 | JeffM | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_vector |
| 01:37.26 | EvanEjk | ok |
| 01:38.35 | EvanEjk | ohh |
| 01:39.26 | EvanEjk | Jeff do you know how to get the flag stay plugin to work if I am using an ssh account to host my servers? |
| 01:39.39 | blast007 | did you read their readme file? |
| 01:39.45 | JeffM | same way as any plugin I would guess |
| 01:39.49 | JeffM | shh has nothing to do with it |
| 01:40.02 | blast007 | flag stay requires extra code in the map afaik |
| 01:40.07 | EvanEjk | ik |
| 01:40.37 | blast007 | so did you read the readme file? |
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| 01:40.57 | blast007 | nvm |
| 01:41.20 | blast007 | the readme file is useless |
| 01:41.34 | blast007 | you'll have to read the source code of the plugin |
| 01:41.37 | JeffM | what exactly is your question EvanEjk? how to compile it? or how to load it? or how to use the map commands? |
| 01:41.46 | EvanEjk | load it |
| 01:41.57 | JeffM | it'd be part of your config |
| 01:41.59 | JeffM | just like anything |
| 01:42.00 | EvanEjk | it works on apublic server |
| 01:42.09 | JeffM | it works on ANY server |
| 01:42.19 | EvanEjk | ug |
| 01:42.56 | blast007 | it needs 'flagstayzone' objects in the map if you want it to do anything |
| 01:43.12 | EvanEjk | I KNOW |
| 01:43.20 | blast007 | so what is not working? |
| 01:43.23 | EvanEjk | idk |
| 01:43.26 | blast007 | we can't read your mind |
| 01:43.34 | EvanEjk | oh ya |
| 01:43.59 | EvanEjk | i think i know what it is |
| 01:44.19 | EvanEjk | im sticking in a file meant for windows but nn (hoster) has linux |
| 01:44.37 | blast007 | wait... you're trying to load a windows compiled plugin on a linux bzfs? |
| 01:44.41 | JeffM | you mean you are trying to load the DLL? |
| 01:44.43 | blast007 | that will NOT work |
| 01:44.56 | JeffM | yeah build it on the server |
| 01:45.12 | EvanEjk | on the server... |
| 01:45.16 | EvanEjk | on the server |
| 01:45.18 | blast007 | yes |
| 01:45.19 | JeffM | yes |
| 01:45.20 | EvanEjk | ok |
| 01:45.21 | EvanEjk | ok |
| 01:45.23 | JeffM | not a hard concept |
| 01:45.34 | JeffM | unless you have a linux system that is identical to nns |
| 01:45.37 | blast007 | hell, he might already have that plugin |
| 01:45.39 | blast007 | ask NN |
| 01:45.55 | blast007 | it's part of the official plugins, so if he built with plugin support, he would have it |
| 01:46.09 | Flash | JeffM: can I bug you for patch 1947580? or is that bad form? |
| 01:46.22 | JeffM | URL? |
| 01:46.34 | Flash | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1947580&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 01:47.18 | JeffM | I'd rather save that untill we are 100% why they can't be part of the same connection |
| 01:47.32 | Flash | ok |
| 01:48.42 | EvanEjk | how would i build it on his server |
| 01:48.55 | EvanEjk | drag the files over and do it like normal? |
| 01:49.08 | JeffM | no |
| 01:49.12 | JeffM | it's aprt of the sources |
| 01:49.24 | JeffM | it is built as part of bz |
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| 01:51.25 | blast007 | EvanEjk: Ask NN if he has it |
| 01:52.08 | EvanEjk | ok he gave me some plugin suport file but i get this http://www.bzfmaps.net/~evanejk/ug.PNG |
| 01:52.57 | EvanEjk | looks like i do have some errors in the map |
| 01:53.11 | EvanEjk | but those come after the cant load plug in |
| 01:54.20 | JeffM | the plugin isn't loaded |
| 01:54.29 | JeffM | what "file" did he give you? |
| 01:56.12 | EvanEjk | bzfs-v10-pluggin-support |
| 01:56.28 | JeffM | that is not one of our files |
| 01:56.33 | JeffM | so I have no clue what that does |
| 01:56.45 | JeffM | do you have flagstay.so ? |
| 01:56.55 | EvanEjk | no |
| 01:57.01 | JeffM | you need that |
| 01:57.05 | JeffM | it is the plugin |
| 01:57.22 | JeffM | is his server built to support plugins at all? |
| 01:59.10 | EvanEjk | im not sure |
| 01:59.13 | EvanEjk | ill ask |
| 01:59.55 | Flash | the error says "flagStay found but does not contain bz_Load" ... probably an object file format issue? |
| 02:00.21 | EvanEjk | i dont think so it works on my computer |
| 02:00.32 | Flash | but you are windows |
| 02:00.40 | JeffM | your comptuer has nothing to do with your server |
| 02:00.46 | Flash | you can't take a windows DLL to a linux server |
| 02:00.48 | EvanEjk | i know |
| 02:00.53 | EvanEjk | but the map file |
| 02:00.58 | EvanEjk | is fine i think |
| 02:00.59 | JeffM | it's not the map |
| 02:01.06 | JeffM | you don't have a valid plugin |
| 02:01.09 | Flash | the plugin is code (compiled) |
| 02:01.16 | JeffM | it did not do so correctly |
| 02:01.22 | JeffM | READ the error you got |
| 02:01.26 | JeffM | it says what the problem is right there |
| 02:01.45 | JeffM | "WARNING: unable to load the plugin; flagStay" |
| 02:08.22 | AAA_awright | What is this about? /usr/local/src/masterbot/src/masterbotd/daemon.cpp:679: multiple definition of `database' |
| 02:12.43 | Flash | it means you have 2 definitions of "database" |
| 02:12.58 | Flash | or more |
| 02:26.44 | AAA_awright | Flash: I have never considered this before, how would I have a database object I could access between different source files? |
| 02:27.05 | Flash | the brute force way is to make it global |
| 02:27.14 | Flash | that's error prone and undesirable though |
| 02:27.27 | Flash | Is there only one database object ever? |
| 02:27.32 | AAA_awright | I have it defined in a .h file, that is obviously the wrong thing to do then |
| 02:27.35 | AAA_awright | There should be |
| 02:27.52 | Flash | sounds like you are trying to make it global |
| 02:27.56 | AAA_awright | Yeah |
| 02:27.59 | AAA_awright | I think |
| 02:28.07 | Flash | in a header file, you should only have a reference.... "extern Database database" |
| 02:28.21 | Flash | but the better way is to use a singleton pattern |
| 02:28.29 | AAA_awright | Ahh, that's it |
| 02:30.04 | AAA_awright | Wait, better way, singleton pattern? |
| 02:30.49 | Flash | see Singleton.h in the bzflag include directory |
| 02:31.12 | Flash | the basic concept is that a class defines a static method to retrieve the "global" instance of the object |
| 02:31.43 | Flash | without exposing the details outside the class implementation |
| 02:31.43 | Flash | it's like a global with scoped protection |
| 02:31.53 | AAA_awright | hm. A function that returns a pointer? |
| 02:31.58 | Flash | yup |
| 02:32.20 | Flash | Singleton is a template that you derive your singleton from and it handles the memory management |
| 02:32.34 | Flash | class Database : public Singleton<Database> IIRC |
| 02:33.36 | brlcad | yep, then put your constructors/destructors into private, make Singleton a friend, and initialize it to null in a compilation unit |
| 02:34.08 | brlcad | there are lots of examples throughout bz, one of the most interfaces .. highly reusable |
| 02:34.30 | brlcad | s/most/most reused/ |
| 02:34.46 | brlcad | needs faster compiles |
| 02:35.21 | Flash | brlcad: since you are here.... what's the best way to get a trace/log of all messages received by the server? |
| 02:35.50 | Flash | normal debug announces the fact and the length of a message, but I want to know the content (human readable) |
| 02:35.51 | brlcad | put a hook on the network handler loop |
| 02:36.39 | EvanEjk | anybody have a mountian texture handy? |
| 02:36.52 | brlcad | you'll have to add code to get more than the message type since they're unpacked differently at different times depending on the packet type |
| 02:37.07 | brlcad | but you can at least get the basics of sender and type |
| 02:37.23 | brlcad | just by hooking in a print statement |
| 02:37.36 | EvanEjk | nvm found one |
| 02:56.45 | AAA_awright | That was odd |
| 02:57.05 | AAA_awright | Fatal error: f (9; Bad file descriptor) |
| 02:57.20 | AAA_awright | I fixed it, but still... |
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| 09:11.24 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r959 10/trunk/src/FTFont.cpp: |
| 09:11.24 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Crash fix: do not try to delete FTFont::glyphList if the constructor |
| 09:11.24 | CIA-32 | FTGL: failed. |
| 09:12.11 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r960 10/trunk/include/FTInternals.h: * The C constructors now properly return NULL if the C++ constructor failed. |
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| 11:17.30 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r961 10/trunk/ (81 files in 3 dirs): |
| 11:17.30 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Cosmetic: remove trailing spaces, fix unbalanced parenthesis/space |
| 11:17.30 | CIA-32 | FTGL: constructs, remove tab/space mixes, wrap a lot of long source lines. |
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| 13:10.19 | Ashvala | hello |
| 13:10.46 | spldart | Hi |
| 13:10.47 | whodaman- | hi |
| 13:11.42 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r962 10/trunk/extras/: * Remove deprecated extras/layout stuff. We now have FTSimpleLayout anyway. |
| 13:26.42 | Ashvala | wassup guys? |
| 13:33.19 | spldart | The sky |
| 13:50.29 | sam | brlcad: you around by chance? |
| 13:54.51 | brlcad | sam: never! sup? |
| 14:01.07 | sam | brlcad: heh, hi :) |
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| 14:01.51 | sam | brlcad: do you grok C++? I wouldn't mind chatting about things I'd like to do to the FTGL organisation |
| 14:02.49 | sam | I'm basically frustrated by the fact that public headers publish half the implementation, and that the smallest bugfix may break binary compatibility |
| 14:03.01 | brlcad | I do, albeit a bit out of context at the moment .. been working on procedural code all weekend and it usually takes a little bit to switch gears |
| 14:03.17 | sam | so I was thinking going the pImpl way and hiding our private members from public headers |
| 14:05.26 | brlcad | sam: that sounds like an alright way to go about it |
| 14:05.37 | sam | the problem being that pImpl doesn't work very well with inheritance |
| 14:05.52 | brlcad | there are a variety of ways you can go about hiding the details -- we do a crude variant in bz to make ftgl be completely unexposed |
| 14:06.13 | sam | do you have pointers on best practices? |
| 14:06.47 | brlcad | hm, other than the GoF patterns? |
| 14:07.19 | brlcad | not really, but I'd start there if you haven't read them |
| 14:09.27 | sam | yeah, I have the book :) |
| 14:09.29 | brlcad | sam: by pImpl, I presume you mean using more opaque pointers? or some change to the inheritance hierarchy? |
| 14:09.54 | sam | brlcad: yes, I mean replacing all private members with a pointer to a private class |
| 14:10.08 | brlcad | sounds reasonable to me |
| 14:11.36 | sam | I'll have a try at it |
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| 14:51.29 | sam | brlcad: looks like the Bridge pattern is what we want |
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| 14:54.05 | brlcad | sam: bridges would work, but opaque pointers are much lower 'overhead' (to implement) and simpler (to understand/explain) |
| 14:55.53 | sam | yes, but if FTFont has an opaque pointer FTFontImpl *p and FTGLOutlineFont inherits from FTFont, p cannot magically become an FTGLOutlineFontImpl * |
| 15:10.35 | brlcad | sam: yep, wasn't implying that it was .. it's just pretty simple to explain/implement that every public class as a private implementation class associated with it |
| 15:12.14 | brlcad | bridge also works of course and is arguably more clean, not going to get argument from me there .. just not as easy for most devs to "get it" |
| 15:12.48 | brlcad | you can at least point them to the pattern these days if it's documented in the code, so it's not that bad :) |
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| 15:13.50 | bz35 | hi |
| 15:14.17 | bz35 | hello |
| 15:14.33 | bz35 | hello? |
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| 15:16.09 | sam | brlcad: I'll try to figure out a proper way and will ask you for comments; we can always revert if it's not satisfying |
| 15:16.40 | brlcad | sam: you're not going to get much argument from me on rearranging private data :) |
| 15:16.54 | brlcad | s/much/any/ |
| 15:17.10 | sam | cool :) |
| 15:18.08 | sam | another thing I'd like to do is export a single <FTGL/ftgl.h> header, while still shipping the other ones, but recommending the single header as the preferred usage |
| 15:22.57 | brlcad | yeah, that'd be useful |
| 15:25.00 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r963 10/trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:25.00 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Remove all method implementations from the main FTFont.h, FTLayout.h and |
| 15:25.01 | CIA-32 | FTGL: FTGlyph.h headers. Since they use private members, they belong to their |
| 15:25.01 | CIA-32 | FTGL: respective .cpp files. |
| 15:28.12 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r964 10/branches/oldtrunk/: relegate oldtrunk to the annals of svn history, trunk has successfully and sufficiently diverged |
| 15:28.23 | sam | :) |
| 15:36.11 | brlcad | nice .... |
| 15:36.12 | brlcad | svn: PUT of '/svnroot/ftgl/!svn/wrk/e95451b3-f04b-0410-a316-ce1fad21c919/branches/FTGL_2_0_b2/win32_vcpp/ftgl_static_lib/ftgl_static_lib.dsp': 500 Internal Server Error (https://ftgl.svn.sourceforge.net) |
| 15:36.21 | sam | ouch |
| 15:36.36 | brlcad | kicks it off again |
| 15:37.18 | sam | the improved extrusion code allows for nice outlines with Depth = 0 : http://zoy.org/~sam/ftgl-extrude.png |
| 15:49.22 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r965 10/branches/ (14 files in 13 dirs): rename the branches to be consistent with each other |
| 15:50.42 | brlcad | sam: ooh, that is nifty |
| 15:51.07 | brlcad | the shading is a bit whacked there, was that intentional? |
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| 15:59.38 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r966 10/tags/pre-autoconf/: pre-autoconf tag is basically the same as FTGL_1_4 tag so remove it |
| 16:02.49 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r967 10/tags/gl_detection_fixed/: remove useless gl_detection_fixed tag |
| 16:03.05 | brlcad | egads devs must be busy today .. or sf servers are on fire |
| 16:03.30 | brlcad | hasn't been this slow in many months |
| 16:05.05 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r968 10/tags/ (FTGL_1_0_ALPHA_1/ start/): rename start to FTGL_1_0_ALPHA_1 to be consistent with the rest of the tags |
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| 16:07.53 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r969 10/branches/ (5 files in 5 dirs): poof, they're all dead/done/closed so get rid of all existing branches. with svn, there's no need to keep dead branches around. they're in the history and can be restored if truely needed for something. |
| 16:09.33 | brlcad | wonders wth the lgpl license is for if he's going to also provide it under the mit license |
| 16:18.21 | sam | brlcad: I don't really grok lighting, so it's probably not intentional |
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| 16:25.08 | JeffM | allright... LAST call for shirts and hoodies.. last call.... anyone know where high karate kitty is? |
| 16:28.58 | donny_baker | haven't see her in a while... or Dodge for that matter |
| 16:29.15 | whodaman- | donny_baker, I just got an email from him |
| 16:29.19 | JeffM | well I gave her plenty of time to oder a shirt then :) |
| 16:30.17 | JeffM | now I just need to decide between this http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/shirts/new%20logo%20front.svg |
| 16:30.38 | JeffM | or the standard one for the shirt front |
| 16:31.08 | JeffM | and then this, http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/shirts/workshirt_logo.svg or http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/shirts/workshirt_logo2.svg for the workshirt |
| 16:32.13 | brlcad | likes the latter but with a thicker outline that matches the turret |
| 16:32.51 | JeffM | yeah it does look a little thin |
| 16:32.58 | brlcad | the one on the front really seems kinda funky .. maybe if the tracks weren't the same color, something much darker |
| 16:33.12 | JeffM | can't change colors |
| 16:33.25 | brlcad | only get one color |
| 16:33.29 | JeffM | for that price ;) |
| 16:33.54 | JeffM | adding another color to the front changes a lot |
| 16:34.00 | brlcad | hm, yeah, then not so hot about them.. what about dithering? |
| 16:34.14 | brlcad | a 75% dither would give the same effect |
| 16:34.20 | JeffM | that can be done, but ithey have a rather large dot size |
| 16:34.34 | JeffM | about 1 mm round |
| 16:34.48 | JeffM | and the entire thing is only 3 inches high |
| 16:35.22 | JeffM | I'll just go with the old one, and we can work out a new front for the next batch, with a new design on the back :) |
| 16:37.10 | JeffM | brlcad, http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/shirts/workshirt_logo3.svg that better for a thicker outline? |
| 16:37.28 | JeffM | that's for embrodery on one shirt as a test |
| 16:38.34 | JeffM | donny_baker, what color polo? |
| 16:39.32 | donny_baker | same options as the other shirts |
| 16:39.41 | JeffM | no |
| 16:39.49 | JeffM | well some of them |
| 16:39.53 | JeffM | it's a differnet brand |
| 16:40.15 | JeffM | there are blues, blacks, greens, tans, whites, pings, golds, etc... |
| 16:40.18 | JeffM | grays |
| 16:40.46 | donny_baker | how about some sort of green, not light |
| 16:40.56 | JeffM | dark green |
| 16:41.00 | JeffM | looks to be like a hunter type |
| 16:41.06 | donny_baker | sure |
| 16:41.07 | JeffM | or there is a bright "court green" |
| 16:41.45 | JeffM | long sleve or short sleve? |
| 16:42.27 | donny_baker | alway short sleeve :) |
| 16:42.42 | donny_baker | i'll stick with the hunter |
| 16:43.05 | donny_baker | how much should i send you? |
| 16:43.17 | JeffM | dunno yhet |
| 16:43.27 | JeffM | I want to make sure they are going to be cool |
| 16:43.33 | JeffM | so I'll get the moeny after I order them |
| 16:43.36 | donny_baker | k, let me know when you do and i'll fire it off right away |
| 16:43.37 | JeffM | probalby like 16$ |
| 16:43.47 | brlcad | JeffM: without the circle, the cut-off tank is really odd |
| 16:43.47 | JeffM | we have enough to cover it |
| 16:43.57 | JeffM | brlcad, yeah that's what I was woried about |
| 16:43.58 | brlcad | with it, it's emerging so you know the rest is back there |
| 16:44.03 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:44.23 | JeffM | but our artist has gone and got himself off the net :) |
| 16:44.53 | JeffM | ahah.. here we go, donny_baker http://www.companycasuals.com/HolidaySale/b.jsp?id=53829&parentId=991640 |
| 16:44.59 | JeffM | it's That shirt |
| 16:45.02 | JeffM | in those colors |
| 16:45.57 | brlcad | if we had the extra colors, here's kinda what I was thinking: http://bzflag.bz/tmp/tracks.png |
| 16:46.20 | brlcad | maybe remove the perspective |
| 16:46.23 | JeffM | donny_baker, you'll get this logo http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/shirts/shirt_donny.svg |
| 16:46.31 | donny_baker | JeffM: Burgundy 2XL |
| 16:46.33 | JeffM | brlcad, yeah that works a lot better, we can do that for the next one :) |
| 16:46.38 | JeffM | donny_baker, okeydokey |
| 16:46.47 | JeffM | anyone else want a polo shirt? |
| 16:46.52 | JeffM | donny_baker, what color on the logo? |
| 16:46.58 | JeffM | white? |
| 16:47.22 | donny_baker | yeah, I think that will work |
| 16:47.24 | brlcad | so is today the last day for ordering or for the design? |
| 16:47.28 | brlcad | (or both) |
| 16:47.30 | donny_baker | want it to stand out |
| 16:48.00 | JeffM | brlcad today I'm placing an order for a reprint |
| 16:48.19 | JeffM | I figured for the next one we could do another logo |
| 16:48.26 | JeffM | but I'm flexable |
| 16:48.51 | JeffM | I do need to order today or tomorow to get the reprint here by the time I put on the preorder pages. |
| 16:49.34 | JeffM | but yeah after the navy run is done, unless there was huge demand we'd do other designs |
| 16:49.54 | JeffM | tho I do like the logo as a good "standard" logo |
| 16:50.50 | JeffM | the only reason I thought about changing the front was that a number of people can't tell that it's a tank, and the skew makes it look like a misprint |
| 16:50.57 | JeffM | but straight in the icon looks booring |
| 16:51.19 | JeffM | so I thought, hey invert it and tread up :) |
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| 17:02.13 | brlcad | is mildly confused by the variety of overlapping shirt options |
| 17:02.26 | JeffM | in what way? |
| 17:03.23 | brlcad | well, there are two listed and their only difference in the description is one is BZFlag Back Logo .. and the other is BZFlag Front Logo .. |
| 17:03.37 | JeffM | any color, double sided vs. single sided, manly man/woman/womanly woman |
| 17:03.43 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:03.59 | JeffM | the back logo is the normal shirt |
| 17:04.08 | JeffM | with the large logo on the back |
| 17:04.13 | brlcad | e.g. the two "New colors" shirt |
| 17:04.13 | JeffM | and the small URL on the front |
| 17:04.33 | JeffM | the front logo shirt just has the large logo on the front |
| 17:04.38 | brlcad | oooh |
| 17:04.39 | JeffM | it should say in the description |
| 17:04.45 | brlcad | the pics show otherwise |
| 17:04.58 | JeffM | yeah I don't HAVE pictures of a front logo shirt yet :) |
| 17:05.00 | brlcad | obviously we don't have pics if the design changed |
| 17:05.02 | brlcad | yeah |
| 17:05.15 | brlcad | but then the pics there are misleading :) |
| 17:05.24 | JeffM | read the text, "The front of the shirt features the BZFlag logo that is normally on the back of our shirts. " |
| 17:05.34 | JeffM | right above that picture |
| 17:07.36 | brlcad | yeah, I see it now, just in the details -- the images are the first thing you see and both shirts have a "logo" on the front .. just different kinds |
| 17:07.58 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:08.08 | JeffM | I shoulda mocked em up better |
| 17:09.10 | JeffM | and noone wanted any hats :( |
| 17:09.30 | brlcad | there are no hats listed.. |
| 17:09.48 | brlcad | woulda got a hat |
| 17:09.59 | brlcad | that was the first time one of my friends asked for :) |
| 17:11.12 | JeffM | yeah I asked around here and the fourms and there was no interest |
| 17:11.28 | JeffM | and I was having trouble finding saturos to get logo work, so I didn't put one up |
| 17:11.46 | brlcad | no biggie |
| 17:11.47 | JeffM | I don't mind printing a couple if we can work out a logo quickly |
| 17:11.58 | JeffM | I can do the round one for the workshirt |
| 17:14.33 | JeffM | this is the hat I was looking at |
| 17:14.33 | JeffM | http://www.cawholesale.com/product/1903 |
| 17:14.39 | JeffM | in the dill/black version |
| 17:15.17 | brlcad | you have a design worked out? |
| 17:15.28 | brlcad | suggests without the .org |
| 17:15.38 | JeffM | the workshirt_logo.svg |
| 17:15.54 | JeffM | with a thicker border |
| 17:15.55 | JeffM | let me uplaod |
| 17:16.30 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/shirts/workshirt_logoA.svg |
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| 17:25.17 | Dont | hi |
| 17:25.57 | blast007 | hi |
| 17:26.06 | blast007 | bye |
| 17:31.50 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r970 10/trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): |
| 17:31.50 | CIA-32 | FTGL: specify minimum versions, make ac be 2.58 and am be 1.6 (needed in order to |
| 17:31.50 | CIA-32 | FTGL: support os x 10.4 out-of-the-box). PKG_CHECK_MODULES doesn't seem to wrap the |
| 17:31.50 | CIA-32 | FTGL: args properly so you can't embed AC_MSG_RESULT, make a zip and bzip2 when we |
| 17:31.50 | CIA-32 | FTGL: make a dist, and provide NULL to make am happy |
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| 17:48.43 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r971 10/trunk/ (. Makefile.am autogen.sh bootstrap): |
| 17:48.43 | CIA-32 | FTGL: replace the bootstrap script with autogen.sh (buildconf project) with does much |
| 17:48.43 | CIA-32 | FTGL: (much) more in terms of protections, reporting options, and error recovery that |
| 17:48.43 | CIA-32 | FTGL: supports a wide variety of autotool versions, autoreconf bug workarounds, and |
| 17:48.44 | CIA-32 | FTGL: system misconfiguration issues. |
| 17:58.55 | kierra | :P |
| 17:58.58 | kierra | howdy |
| 17:59.02 | JeffM | hallo |
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| 18:03.34 | JeffM | so I'm going to leave the orders open untill I get back from lunch, but after that it's prety much done cus I have to start getting the ball rolling |
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| 18:34.28 | qwequ777 | hi :) |
| 18:36.02 | qwequ777 | i recently compiled bzflag-2.0.10 (downloaded the release -tar.gz) and everything works as expected except the chat window... that is somewhat buggy [opensuse 10.3 gcc 4.2.1] |
| 18:36.46 | qwequ777 | i always switch to chatwindow after logging in on a server and then, it is only updated when i write a message |
| 18:37.37 | qwequ777 | that is, i write a message and ONE message appears that has been sent by someone else maybe some minutes ago |
| 18:38.19 | catay | maybe it's lag? |
| 18:39.09 | qwequ777 | I don't think so... also, sometimes (rather seldom) some messages appear twice (the are really identical, i recognize it if they are whole sentences) |
| 18:39.40 | catay | never seen that before ? |
| 18:39.41 | qwequ777 | i didn't have these problems with 2.0.8 on the same server (but 2.0.8 didn't have SDL =) ) |
| 18:39.49 | catay | do you have that on every bzflag server? |
| 18:40.17 | qwequ777 | I ll test it... and btw, i'm in x86_64 |
| 18:47.13 | qwequ777 | hm lol the other server behaves correctly |
| 18:47.24 | qwequ777 | how can you query the server version in-game? |
| 18:47.34 | qwequ777 | or out of game, doesn't matter |
| 18:47.39 | catay | do /clientquery |
| 18:47.57 | catay | server version should be there also when you join it |
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| 18:49.32 | qwequ777 | hm both claim to be 2.0.10 servers... |
| 18:49.49 | catay | on which one do you have issues? |
| 18:50.21 | qwequ777 | 06.bztank.net |
| 18:54.27 | catay | qwequ777: works for me there |
| 18:55.04 | qwequ777 | hm funny... well if it's only on one server - I'll try the svn version later |
| 18:55.16 | qwequ777 | to see if it makes any difference |
| 18:55.31 | catay | it's worth a try |
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| 19:57.33 | JeffM | closes up the pre-orders |
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| 20:22.02 | JeffM2501 | shirt order sent :) |
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| 21:12.41 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r972 10/trunk/ (24 files in 3 dirs): |
| 21:12.41 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Beginning of a new refactoring task. Classes inheriting FTFont or FTLayout |
| 21:12.42 | CIA-32 | FTGL: now hide their private members behind a pImpl pointer. This will make the |
| 21:12.42 | CIA-32 | FTGL: public headers smaller, and we will not break the ABI by changing private |
| 21:12.42 | CIA-32 | FTGL: members of our public classes. This first step just splits classes but |
| 21:12.44 | CIA-32 | FTGL: does not reorganise files. |
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| 21:48.55 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r973 10/trunk/ (31 files in 2 dirs): |
| 21:48.55 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Split Font and Layout headers into Foo.h and FooImpl.h, and taking the |
| 21:48.55 | CIA-32 | FTGL: latter out of the include/ directory. |
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| 22:37.07 | hwilde | anybody got ops on INCOMING? wall walking pause cheater |
| 22:37.22 | think_tank | coming |
| 22:37.31 | hwilde | SubSonik the Avenger or something like this |
| 22:37.40 | hwilde | he says you can't ban him either |
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| 22:40.23 | hwilde | he left as soon as warin showed up with his big @ |
| 22:40.49 | Constitution | ~wits++ |
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| 22:58.15 | blast007 | catay: that guy with the "chat window lag" might have bumped the mouse wheel and scrolled up a bit |
| 23:05.18 | AHA | that wouldn't explain the duplicate messages though |
| 23:06.40 | hwilde | think_tank, sneak up on him this time BusKonis |
| 23:06.47 | hwilde | "the unstoppable reign of kaos has returned" |
| 23:06.56 | think_tank | dude i'm already there |
| 23:06.58 | think_tank | :) |
| 23:07.19 | think_tank | i been watching him for the laast 10 minutes |
| 23:09.20 | hwilde | yeah thats him |
| 23:09.25 | hwilde | which one is you?? |
| 23:12.19 | think_tank | i incognito |
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