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| 01:09.44 | mib_2g7dxw | coogle is on bzf 5154 |
| 01:10.11 | mib_2g7dxw | bzf.bzflag.org:5154, any admins wanna ban him? |
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| 01:12.09 | mib_2g7dxw | coogle at bzf.bzflag.org:5154 but there are no admins |
| 01:22.21 | blast007 | gone now? |
| 01:22.32 | blast007 | (not admin there, but could have assisted with a poll ban) |
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| 01:26.24 | brlcad | hello bugQ |
| 01:26.33 | bugQ | ahoy! |
| 01:26.39 | brlcad | chips! |
| 01:27.24 | brlcad | thinks it's maybe a night for ... !decks later on |
| 01:27.38 | bugQ | eh? |
| 01:27.48 | brlcad | ~decks! |
| 01:27.49 | ibot | it has been said that decks is http://bzgirl.org/decks.html |
| 01:28.25 | brlcad | hm, those instructions are out of date a little :) |
| 01:28.48 | bugQ | cvs -> svn ? |
| 01:29.55 | donny_baker | yeah, your 2 days late brlcad |
| 01:30.37 | brlcad | the friday comment is true.. sunday is rare :) |
| 01:30.50 | brlcad | but yeah that and svn |
| 01:30.57 | brlcad | misses bzg |
| 01:32.33 | bugQ | is number 27, and likes...flapjacks. |
| 01:32.34 | bugQ | hee. |
| 01:35.42 | blast007 | is trunk playable right now? ;) |
| 01:35.42 | brlcad | likes flapjacks with peanut butter, butter, and hot syrup |
| 01:35.51 | blast007 | maybe without a lagwarn set? |
| 01:35.52 | brlcad | blast007: it was last night :) |
| 01:35.52 | spldart | barely |
| 01:35.59 | brlcad | server list wasn't for me |
| 01:36.06 | blast007 | the lag counts are off |
| 01:36.08 | spldart | I'm still getting ridiculous lagstats @'s |
| 01:36.20 | spldart | and occasionally get kicked for server com |
| 01:36.25 | spldart | but otherwise yes |
| 01:37.08 | blast007 | I'll play some decks |
| 01:37.19 | spldart | geez. I can't type and eat @ the same time |
| 01:37.23 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 01:42.28 | spldart | meh.. was playing with linux builds stuff today.. forgot the windows build.. doin so now |
| 01:43.14 | blast007 | we could also try out an OpenFFA server |
| 01:43.25 | blast007 | I have one running |
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| 01:43.44 | blast007 | spldart: ping me when you have a windows build done |
| 01:54.40 | JeffM | who needs a windows build? of what? |
| 01:57.54 | blast007 | JeffM: spldart is building the windows client, I think, for a game of decks |
| 01:58.01 | blast007 | but maybe I misunderstood |
| 01:58.14 | JeffM | he has full VC8? |
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| 02:01.27 | Phase | When I ever I try to start BZFS and specify a conf file (models after the Sample_conf on the wiki) it just outputs the list of syntax options like I gave it an invalid option. I use what was listed `./bzfs /blah/blah/blah/bzf.conf` Anyone know whats up? |
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| 02:01.40 | Phase | Er. |
| 02:01.42 | Phase | I meant... |
| 02:01.53 | Phase | `./bzfs -conf /stuff/here/bzf.conf` |
| 02:03.33 | spldart | just a minute |
| 02:03.42 | spldart | real world sucked me away |
| 02:03.49 | spldart | and I'm built |
| 02:04.05 | spldart | but can't start yet |
| 02:04.07 | spldart | chasing kids |
| 02:04.33 | BulletCatcher | Phase: Unfortunately, bzfs won't tell you exactly where there is a syntax error in your config file. |
| 02:04.43 | Phase | Ahh. |
| 02:04.53 | Phase | I'll poke through, and see if I can find anything. |
| 02:05.09 | BulletCatcher | Try with half the file. If that works then the problem is in the other half. |
| 02:05.21 | TheRedBaron | it doesn't list what option isn't recognized? |
| 02:05.36 | Phase | I found it. |
| 02:05.36 | Phase | Heh. |
| 02:05.51 | Phase | Can I send it to the background natively or am I going to have to use a screen process? |
| 02:06.05 | Phase | Btw, thanks BulletCatcher. |
| 02:06.18 | Phase | There we go. |
| 02:06.18 | BulletCatcher | You're welcome. |
| 02:06.19 | Phase | I got that too. |
| 02:06.52 | JeffM | spldart: what compiler you using? |
| 02:06.53 | blast007 | Phase: look way at the top, and it will tell you what is wrong |
| 02:07.07 | Phase | I've got it. |
| 02:07.09 | blast007 | Phase: and if it is an error in the map, you can increase the debug level so it outputs more information |
| 02:07.12 | blast007 | k |
| 02:07.15 | Phase | Yeah. |
| 02:07.20 | Phase | Thanks guys :) |
| 02:08.02 | spldart | I'm all built |
| 02:08.11 | spldart | linux or windows? |
| 02:08.15 | spldart | win is vc8 |
| 02:08.18 | spldart | express |
| 02:08.27 | JeffM | spldart: can't use that |
| 02:08.35 | JeffM | express wont' run on other systems |
| 02:08.38 | JeffM | I'll do a build for you |
| 02:08.42 | spldart | i'm not trying too |
| 02:08.48 | spldart | :confused: |
| 02:08.50 | JeffM | ahh just for you |
| 02:08.52 | JeffM | got it |
| 02:08.53 | JeffM | nevermind :) |
| 02:08.56 | spldart | okies |
| 02:09.04 | JeffM | I thought you were making one for others to use on decks |
| 02:09.06 | bugQ | Phase: bzfs does not appear to be able to be daemonized. |
| 02:09.09 | spldart | k |
| 02:09.14 | JeffM | bugQ: should be |
| 02:09.19 | bugQ | what option? |
| 02:09.21 | JeffM | DTRemenak does it on our bsd servers IIRC |
| 02:09.32 | JeffM | bugQ: it's not built in, he runs some deamon tool first |
| 02:09.59 | bugQ | well, right. he asked whether he would need to do that himself. |
| 02:10.00 | Phase | JeffM: `./bzfs <stuff> &` |
| 02:10.06 | Phase | and then I hit enter, and then it's backgrounded.. |
| 02:10.08 | BulletCatcher | bzfs runs fine in the background using any of the usual unix methods |
| 02:10.28 | JeffM | Phase: that's not the same |
| 02:10.36 | JeffM | that's not a deamon, just background |
| 02:10.43 | Phase | That's fine. |
| 02:10.49 | JeffM | then there ya go |
| 02:11.24 | Phase | I'm not sure why theres little white dots floating upwards on it, but meh. |
| 02:11.28 | Phase | I'll toy with the conf file in a bit. |
| 02:13.40 | spldart | ok... decks |
| 02:13.50 | spldart | where |
| 02:15.16 | bugQ | ack! someone committed a bad version of my patch... |
| 02:21.00 | brlcad | you should delete old/bad versions |
| 02:22.42 | bugQ | I changed it in the tracker, apparently too late. |
| 02:23.12 | bugQ | so, I should delete that and submit again? |
| 02:25.35 | brlcad | not if it's the same |
| 02:25.52 | bugQ | right, a new diff. |
| 02:25.54 | brlcad | find who applied it, talk to them |
| 02:26.15 | bugQ | mmkay. |
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| 02:28.32 | JeffM | not it! |
| 02:29.23 | brlcad | heh |
| 02:29.38 | KingofCamelot | Hey |
| 02:30.01 | brlcad | howdy koc |
| 02:30.21 | KingofCamelot | How's everyone doing tonight? |
| 02:30.38 | brlcad | i think i have a caffeine withdraw headache |
| 02:30.46 | spldart | that suxors |
| 02:30.59 | spldart | I have a 'not drinking beer fast enough' headache |
| 02:32.37 | bugQ | I have a headache from the impending doom of finals week. |
| 02:33.06 | spldart | Operation impending doom 2 |
| 02:36.14 | blast007 | spldart: sorry, was playing on my server, but it's dead quiet there now. Want to do decks? |
| 02:36.49 | spldart | trunk? |
| 02:37.06 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:37.12 | spldart | Mine or someone elses? decks |
| 02:37.30 | blast007 | does yours have a lagwarn set? ;) |
| 02:37.35 | spldart | oop yeah |
| 02:37.44 | spldart | Do yo have a decks up? |
| 02:37.50 | blast007 | I didn't get a warning on the other one |
| 02:37.58 | blast007 | TRB is running one |
| 02:37.59 | spldart | ok the other decks on trunk |
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| 02:40.23 | blast007 | spldart: you able to get in? |
| 02:40.57 | spldart | Nope |
| 02:41.03 | spldart | my windows client can't join. |
| 02:41.09 | spldart | Linux was just fine earlier |
| 02:41.11 | spldart | meh |
| 02:41.16 | blast007 | strange |
| 02:41.21 | blast007 | I was joining with Windows |
| 02:41.35 | spldart | I get in, get token, but can't spawn |
| 02:41.48 | blast007 | try my openffa |
| 02:41.53 | spldart | k |
| 02:42.08 | blast007 | ah, and my builds wasn't fully up to date |
| 02:43.52 | spldart | Nope.. windows fully up to date trunk cannot join any.. I get an image.. a token and teh server welcome but no more |
| 02:44.09 | spldart | same r linux does work but that machine is off right now |
| 02:45.03 | blast007 | ah, guess my windows build has been erroring out |
| 02:45.33 | blast007 | this might take a while.. |
| 02:45.40 | spldart | hehe |
| 02:46.03 | blast007 | I changed config.h to include #define BUILD_ARES 1 |
| 02:51.27 | spldart | I changed the laundry from the washer to the dryer |
| 02:51.43 | bugQ | my bad patch was the nearly the only thing preventing me from building trunk. |
| 02:51.56 | bugQ | is thoroughly embarassed now |
| 02:52.12 | spldart | has done so with a commit not to long ago |
| 02:53.12 | bugQ | now I just get "undefined symbol: _main" from the linker. |
| 02:57.29 | spldart | is booting wimux |
| 03:00.24 | spldart | Oooo Segfault on a trunk server just now :) |
| 03:02.49 | bugQ | blarg, I need to work on other things. |
| 03:09.12 | bugQ | oh wait, no one actually committed it yet, it just still has an error on my behalf. :\ |
| 03:09.35 | bugQ | i was wondering why no one mentioned anything about buildDate.cxx. |
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| 03:10.12 | blast007 | spldart: does VC8 complain about stuff like this? |
| 03:10.15 | blast007 | libcurl error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol __imp__ldap_search_s referenced in function _Curl_ldap |
| 03:10.27 | DTRemenak | blast007: updated recently? |
| 03:10.34 | blast007 | current code |
| 03:10.46 | blast007 | I probably need to define CURL_DISABLE_LDAP |
| 03:10.47 | DTRemenak | ah, probably forgot to add it against the other targets |
| 03:10.56 | blast007 | oh? |
| 03:11.05 | blast007 | do I need to add some files to the VC7.1 stuff? |
| 03:11.19 | DTRemenak | 'nother library to link against |
| 03:11.44 | DTRemenak | wldap32.lib, all targets, in libcurl.vcproj |
| 03:12.03 | spldart | poop.. I just closed it.. where is that log |
| 03:12.29 | blast007 | same goes for VC8? |
| 03:12.36 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17051 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/libcurl.vcproj: Release needs linker change too |
| 03:12.36 | blast007 | nvm |
| 03:12.37 | blast007 | it has it |
| 03:12.43 | DTRemenak | already did Debug for VC8, missed release |
| 03:12.47 | blast007 | ah |
| 03:13.00 | blast007 | okay, I'll get VC7.1, along with the defined I added to config.h |
| 03:13.10 | spldart | ups |
| 03:13.35 | DTRemenak | needed another define? for what? |
| 03:13.56 | DTRemenak | ah, probably BUILD_ARES |
| 03:14.00 | blast007 | #define BUILD_ARES 1 |
| 03:14.01 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:14.19 | DTRemenak | that stuff was sure a mess :| |
| 03:14.44 | DTRemenak | still not sure configure will do everything right on systems that actually have a system ares |
| 03:15.07 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r17052 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC71/ (config.h libcurl.vcproj): |
| 03:15.07 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: Needed #define BUILD_ARES 1 in config.h |
| 03:15.07 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: Added required library to the libcurl project |
| 03:15.26 | bugQ | OK, my patch (1944622) is finally valid, if anyone's interested. |
| 03:16.43 | bugQ | oops, except it lumps in the other patch I posted. |
| 03:16.47 | bugQ | blarg. |
| 03:17.03 | bugQ | is too tired to be screwing around with this. |
| 03:18.09 | Lukstr | just remove the diff lines for the other patch |
| 03:18.20 | bugQ | is doing so |
| 03:18.21 | Lukstr | then make sure it's still a valid diff |
| 03:18.50 | DTRemenak | notes that bugQ's patch would be even better with a little "break;" in the loop |
| 03:19.04 | bugQ | oh duh. |
| 03:19.07 | bugQ | thanks. |
| 03:20.15 | blast007 | anyone else have a trunk client built? |
| 03:20.20 | bugQ | for that matter, I could eliminate a variable by counting backward. |
| 03:20.21 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 03:20.27 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:20.30 | blast007 | decks! |
| 03:21.06 | Lukstr | blast007: mine's building |
| 03:21.06 | blast007 | I sorta want to see if it's multiple players that causes the lag spikes... only have 121ms on the decks map that TRB is running |
| 03:21.33 | bryjen | hrm, it wants to build ares even tho i've got my own (in /usr/local) |
| 03:21.44 | blast007 | DTRemenak: hehe, ^^ |
| 03:23.00 | bugQ | does bzflag code style dictate anything regarding one-liner loops/conditionals? |
| 03:23.07 | Lukstr | Actually SVN's not updating properly |
| 03:23.10 | DTRemenak | bryjen: yours may be too old |
| 03:23.21 | Lukstr | failed to add some curl file? |
| 03:23.36 | DTRemenak | Lukstr: what file? |
| 03:23.49 | Lukstr | src/other/curl/src/hugehelp.c |
| 03:23.54 | DTRemenak | bugQ: braces are optional |
| 03:23.56 | Lukstr | same name apparently |
| 03:24.00 | DTRemenak | devinfo has details |
| 03:24.03 | bugQ | right then. |
| 03:24.20 | DTRemenak | Lukstr: is it a generated file? |
| 03:24.23 | bryjen | DTRemenak: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 189660 2008-04-20 22:09 /usr/local/lib/libcares.so.2.0.0 |
| 03:24.24 | bryjen | ;) |
| 03:24.29 | DTRemenak | I might have added it by mistake |
| 03:24.36 | spldart | I've got the linux machine up and about to try |
| 03:24.38 | Lukstr | DTRemenak: not sure, let me check |
| 03:25.06 | Lukstr | DTRemenak: I don't think it's generated |
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| 03:25.54 | DTRemenak | bryjen: check your ares_version.h |
| 03:25.59 | spldart | there... gonna shut this rig off |
| 03:26.16 | Lukstr | DTRemenak: yes it is actually |
| 03:26.17 | DTRemenak | if it's <1.5 it has a different callback declaration that's not compatible |
| 03:26.30 | DTRemenak | Lukstr: k, it should be removed from the repo then |
| 03:26.49 | bryjen | it's 1.5.1. i just downloaded/installed it |
| 03:26.54 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 03:26.58 | DTRemenak | then the test is busted |
| 03:27.02 | short_circuit | Ok.. same decks again? |
| 03:27.04 | DTRemenak | check config.log :) |
| 03:27.23 | DTRemenak | like I said, I have no idea whether that logic will work or not :) |
| 03:27.25 | bryjen | ~bzpastebin |
| 03:27.27 | ibot | [bzpastebin] http://pastebin.bzflag.bz or a place to put large chunks of text so as not to flood a channel |
| 03:28.02 | bugQ | hmm, is using a month of 13 ok if it doesn't match any of the three-letter names? |
| 03:28.04 | DTRemenak | heck, I don't even know if the test app that I feed to AC_TRY_LINK compiles :) |
| 03:28.20 | blast007 | hehe |
| 03:28.39 | blast007 | bugQ: month of 13? |
| 03:28.47 | DTRemenak | bugQ: under what circumstances would you have a 13th month? :) |
| 03:29.03 | blast007 | are we porting the game to different planets with longer years? |
| 03:29.06 | bugQ | when the second part of __DATE__ doesn't match "Jan", "Feb", etc. |
| 03:29.08 | bryjen | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m7624b551 |
| 03:29.20 | bugQ | i'd assume that should never happen, and so the outcome is undefined. |
| 03:29.59 | bugQ | wait, nevermind. |
| 03:30.37 | Lukstr | wow, you totally lost me |
| 03:30.48 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17053 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/curl/src/hugehelp.c: no more huge help |
| 03:30.54 | Lukstr | haha |
| 03:31.11 | bryjen | two int main()s ? |
| 03:31.46 | DTRemenak | hm |
| 03:31.49 | DTRemenak | probably not good :) |
| 03:32.14 | Lukstr | ah, yet another night of debugging! |
| 03:32.40 | bryjen | looks like your test code is inside another main() { } |
| 03:33.55 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17054 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: maybe this will have a better chance of compiling |
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| 03:35.32 | DTRemenak | bugQ: ANSI C requires the format we parse |
| 03:36.07 | bugQ | right, but I just figured out how to optimize it without having to change any funcitonality. |
| 03:36.32 | bugQ | a month of 0 is just as invalid. |
| 03:38.33 | bugQ | there; now to read more Homer. |
| 03:38.41 | DTRemenak | have fun :) |
| 03:39.24 | brlcad | didn't know there was a Simpsons comic book ;) |
| 03:39.40 | bryjen | Build ares ........: no (using system) |
| 03:39.49 | DTRemenak | that sounds good :) |
| 03:39.51 | bryjen | yeay! now if it builds... |
| 03:40.17 | bugQ | heh, I'm at the point where demodocus describes the love and defame of Ares and Aphrodite |
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| 03:42.27 | brlcad | Ares is a pretty good bzflag player, dunno about Aprodite |
| 03:49.18 | short_circuit | That was a test with interesting results :) |
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| 04:05.31 | lol_u | Hey guys |
| 04:05.37 | lol_u | its me lol_u died |
| 04:05.53 | lol_u | I finally made my config file and map! |
| 04:06.00 | lol_u | but how do I start the server? |
| 04:06.08 | lol_u | I have everything ready |
| 04:06.20 | lol_u | Just need to know how to start server (On a mac) |
| 04:07.50 | brlcad | lol_u: bzfs is inside the app bundle |
| 04:07.51 | blast007 | drag the bzfs file into a terminal, and then add a space, then -config YourConfig.conf |
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| 04:35.41 | KingofCamelot | So, any of the mentors wanna tell me if I made the cut? :P |
| 04:36.03 | blast007 | KingofCamelot: it will be announced on Monday |
| 04:36.05 | KingofCamelot | Or I guess I could wait till tomorrow, lol |
| 04:36.16 | Lukstr | raaa, /me points KingofCamelot to gsoc topic |
| 04:36.18 | KingofCamelot | I know, but it's only like 15 hours away :P |
| 04:36.28 | blast007 | KingofCamelot: hehe |
| 04:36.33 | blast007 | then it's not long to wait ;) |
| 04:36.42 | KingofCamelot | But....you're right, lol |
| 04:37.18 | KingofCamelot | I'd just rather know tonight then have to wait until after class tomorrow, heh |
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| 04:50.58 | brlcad | KingofCamelot: we want to tell but cannot |
| 04:51.38 | brlcad | nothing is final until google announces regardless .. just "highly likely" the closer we get to the actual announcement |
| 04:52.29 | brlcad | e.g., it's highly likely that we'll be working with at least one gsoc student this summer |
| 05:06.27 | Lukstr | hahah |
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| 05:26.00 | Flash | ok, just did svn up and "no rule to make target'all'. Stop." in ares |
| 05:27.02 | blast007 | did you run autogen.sh and configure? |
| 05:27.09 | Flash | make did it for me |
| 05:27.36 | blast007 | both things? |
| 05:27.41 | Flash | yes |
| 05:27.46 | Flash | it's a very cool make |
| 05:28.00 | blast007 | I'd run them yourself just to be sure |
| 05:29.06 | Flash | ok... running |
| 05:29.21 | Flash | my configure did list that it was building ares |
| 05:31.20 | Phase | I'm not sure if it's a part of the random map generation. but for some reason there was white particles (I'm wanting to say snow?) falling *upwards*, is that something specific, or just the random map gen at work? |
| 05:32.57 | blast007 | uh |
| 05:32.58 | Suspect_1 | waves at Phase |
| 05:33.05 | Phase | Suspect_1: haha. |
| 05:33.08 | blast007 | shouldn't be snow on a random server unless you turned it on |
| 05:33.14 | Phase | I'll check, I might have.. |
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| 05:37.32 | Phase | -set _rainType bubble |
| 05:37.37 | Phase | That's probably it. |
| 05:38.14 | blast007 | yup |
| 05:38.21 | blast007 | bubbles go up :) |
| 05:40.00 | Phase | :) |
| 05:43.50 | Flash | ~blast007++ |
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| 05:56.34 | Flash | JeffM: I gave up trying to figure out what and why and just backed out the change from 2006 (perhaps what you wanted me to do all along). Robots now work |
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| 05:57.09 | DTRemenak | is in favor of that solution |
| 05:57.39 | Flash | now on to the server memory corruption.... |
| 05:57.57 | mib_shjfjm | mapmaking: -> zones: when i use "zoneflag SW TH SH R L T TR" only one flag is generated |
| 05:57.58 | Flash | or on to bed, whichever is more appealing at the moment |
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| 06:00.34 | JeffM | Flash: good enough |
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| 13:23.36 | spldart | bzzzzzzzzzzzzzt |
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| 15:05.42 | donny_baker | wonders if the silence is anticipation ;) |
| 15:06.01 | donny_baker | or maybe just hangovers |
| 15:12.51 | TheRedBaron | donny_baker: shhh - not so loud. you're hurting my head |
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| 16:10.34 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r920 10/trunk/src/ (6 files): |
| 16:10.34 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Fix the FTLayout rendering: line feeds were not properly handled. Patch |
| 16:10.35 | CIA-32 | FTGL: by Eric Beets. |
| 16:12.03 | JeffM | aww man.. were is saturos... |
| 16:12.58 | whodaman- | JeffM, again, he'll be back May 5th |
| 16:13.03 | JeffM | oh |
| 16:13.07 | JeffM | I was told that once? |
| 16:13.14 | whodaman- | shall I fetch the logs? |
| 16:13.15 | whodaman- | :) |
| 16:13.21 | JeffM | not nessiary |
| 16:13.24 | whodaman- | You asked couple days ago :P |
| 16:13.24 | JeffM | he on holiday? |
| 16:13.31 | whodaman- | Nope, moved into his own place |
| 16:13.37 | JeffM | nice |
| 16:13.47 | JeffM | well guess I'll have to do the logos myself then |
| 16:13.51 | donny_baker | i can wait ;) |
| 16:13.52 | whodaman- | german ISPs are pretty lame |
| 16:14.05 | whodaman- | JeffM, write him an email |
| 16:14.06 | JeffM | whodaman-, do you know if he got his package from me? |
| 16:14.14 | whodaman- | ich@saturos.de |
| 16:14.25 | whodaman- | He checks it regularly |
| 16:14.31 | donny_baker | JeffM: that was in reference to Saturos and not your art making abilities |
| 16:14.32 | JeffM | probalby not best to throw that in public chat man ;) |
| 16:14.41 | whodaman- | JeffM, it's everywhere... |
| 16:14.46 | whodaman- | BZBB, gu site :) |
| 16:15.14 | JeffM | I know |
| 16:15.23 | JeffM | just still with out his permision etc.. |
| 16:15.58 | whodaman- | JeffM, don't tell on me! |
| 16:16.06 | whodaman- | but yeah, you're probably right |
| 16:19.28 | JeffM | anyone got an idea for a hat logo? |
| 16:22.14 | spldart | turret cap with the barrel down the visor? |
| 16:22.15 | spldart | hehe |
| 16:26.49 | JeffM | wonders if SportChick is around :) |
| 16:27.23 | JeffM | or another bzflager of the female persuasion |
| 16:28.00 | TheRedBaron | JeffM: for what? |
| 16:28.08 | JeffM | womens clothing |
| 16:29.02 | TheRedBaron | re: your sizes question? |
| 16:29.11 | JeffM | sizes, colors, styles |
| 16:29.19 | JeffM | I'm building pages right now |
| 16:29.44 | JeffM | I've decided on what I'm going to do. I just want to make sure it's sane |
| 16:31.12 | TheRedBaron | k. |
| 16:31.31 | TheRedBaron | would ask the Mrs. but she's writing a paper |
| 16:31.41 | JeffM | no wories |
| 16:31.59 | TheRedBaron | when she has a moment - I'll ask her |
| 16:32.42 | JeffM | mostly just the color choices, black, darch chocolate, iris, navy, prchid, pistacio, red, and royal |
| 16:32.46 | JeffM | those i'll be offering |
| 16:32.52 | JeffM | for the regular shirt |
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| 16:33.21 | JeffM | then black, chocholate, navy, and red for a more "fit" cut scoop neck shirt |
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| 17:22.28 | Saturos | hey JeffM |
| 17:22.57 | whodaman- | ah :) |
| 17:23.33 | JeffM | he lives! |
| 17:23.41 | Saturos | yeah, sometimes ;) |
| 17:23.41 | JeffM | you get your box? |
| 17:23.54 | Saturos | yeah, thank you so much! |
| 17:24.01 | JeffM | you are very welcome |
| 17:24.03 | Saturos | they fit perfectly |
| 17:24.12 | JeffM | skinny bastard ;) |
| 17:24.15 | Saturos | :p |
| 17:24.20 | whodaman- | hah |
| 17:24.29 | Saturos | "only for small children" |
| 17:25.30 | Saturos | since I'm not distracted by icq, irc, news, blogs, forums, playing, team management etc I'll take a look into the new prints tomorrow |
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| 17:28.11 | Saturos | ok, time to match.. be back in 30 |
| 17:28.29 | JeffM | Saturos, thanks |
| 17:28.32 | JeffM | have fun |
| 17:29.52 | whodaman- | thanks :P |
| 17:34.21 | jorgenpt | Fear my ipv6, btw. |
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| 19:40.21 | brlcad | bad news, we decided to drop out of gsoc |
| 19:40.45 | Winny | I don't take anything brlcad says seriously |
| 19:40.47 | brlcad | it was a hard decision, but we feel it's best for the project |
| 19:41.07 | JeffM | dude. I already spent the money |
| 19:41.18 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 19:42.07 | JeffM | brlcad, we realLLLLY need to npo now |
| 19:42.48 | brlcad | yeup |
| 19:42.48 | JeffM | paying ~1125$ in taxes will suck |
| 19:43.06 | brlcad | is that what it'd work out to? |
| 19:43.19 | JeffM | we paid 750 this time right? |
| 19:43.25 | Constitution | will instead spend his summer making ausom map submishon and hosing scripts for nn's super ausom sever hosing on comcast bisness |
| 19:43.38 | Winny | yay |
| 19:43.46 | donny_baker | ~Constitution++ |
| 19:43.46 | JeffM | returns Constitution's special dev shirt |
| 19:44.08 | KingofCamelot | :P |
| 19:44.22 | brlcad | ~(710.0 / 2000.0) * 3000.0 |
| 19:44.23 | ibot | 1065 |
| 19:44.27 | whodaman- | ? |
| 19:44.28 | brlcad | yeah, that'd suck |
| 19:44.28 | Wyk3d1 | "Congratulations! This email is being sent to inform you that your |
| 19:44.29 | Wyk3d1 | application was accepted to take part in the Summer of Code. |
| 19:44.29 | JeffM | ahh 710 |
| 19:44.33 | JeffM | I was close |
| 19:44.42 | Manu | Wyk3d1: heh |
| 19:44.44 | Wyk3d1 | says wohooooo! |
| 19:44.47 | Winny | Wyk3d1: It's a phishing email, don't click it! |
| 19:45.00 | donny_baker | congrat Wyk3d1 |
| 19:45.01 | brlcad | it's spam, delete it |
| 19:45.06 | JeffM | they haven't fully annouced yet, so it's all in process |
| 19:45.13 | KingofCamelot | Be warned, they say sometimes the e-mails are wrong ;) |
| 19:45.27 | Winny | hahah, read the #gsoc channel... the text is going rather fast |
| 19:45.27 | Epyon | lol |
| 19:45.33 | Epyon | I got one too :P |
| 19:45.39 | Epyon | This must be phising :P |
| 19:45.46 | Manu | Epyon: really? |
| 19:46.32 | JeffM | Epyon, seriously |
| 19:46.35 | donny_baker | Epyon got one? |
| 19:46.41 | Epyon | Yeah O.o |
| 19:46.42 | JeffM | aww man, now I have to call Lh |
| 19:46.46 | Wyk3d1 | doesn't look like phishing to me .. |
| 19:46.57 | Wyk3d1 | i mean the links go to what they should |
| 19:47.03 | JeffM | you clicked on them? |
| 19:47.05 | JeffM | oh.... |
| 19:47.07 | Wyk3d1 | and it's not asking me to log in anywhere |
| 19:47.07 | Manu | Epyon: really? we haven't you in the list |
| 19:47.08 | JeffM | yeah wow |
| 19:47.19 | Wyk3d1 | i didn't click anything yet |
| 19:47.24 | JeffM | Epyon, I actualy marked you as inelegible last night after my 7th beer |
| 19:47.25 | Wyk3d1 | is cautious |
| 19:47.31 | whodaman- | JeffM, LOL |
| 19:47.49 | Epyon | JeffM, after 7 beers, I'd mark myself as inelegible too. |
| 19:47.55 | brlcad | wow, epyon got one? |
| 19:47.57 | KingofCamelot | Only 7? Pft :P |
| 19:48.02 | brlcad | maybe something's wrong with the mailer |
| 19:48.05 | JeffM | brlcad, yeah, I think the app is busted |
| 19:48.15 | Manu | Epyon, got one?? poor mentor |
| 19:48.20 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03catay * r17055 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): Added new BZFS API method bz_IDBanUser. |
| 19:48.21 | Epyon | Maybe because of last year :P |
| 19:48.35 | JeffM | brlcad, I have them on the phone, they say they'll be fixing it in a bit by canceling everyone and doing a resubmit |
| 19:48.41 | whodaman- | who's Luke? |
| 19:48.46 | whodaman- | Rewega? |
| 19:48.49 | whodaman- | Lukstr? |
| 19:48.50 | JeffM | whodaman-, your mom |
| 19:48.55 | Manu | whodaman-: star wars;) |
| 19:48.58 | whodaman- | JeffM, HAHAHAHA that ones new |
| 19:49.05 | JeffM | not to the rest of us |
| 19:49.10 | Epyon | JeffM, it all holds, however, I doubt it would be humanly possible to get lh on the phone now :P |
| 19:49.24 | JeffM | Epyon, no I have her assistant |
| 19:49.32 | JeffM | Becky |
| 19:49.51 | brlcad | JeffM: okay, cool |
| 19:50.28 | spldart | Man.. some heads are gonna roll over this mess. |
| 19:50.41 | Epyon | OMG, Manu, you're my mentor? |
| 19:50.45 | JeffM | I think they are going to recop the cost of all out of the student grants, take it down to 2500$ |
| 19:50.50 | Manu | ~hide Manu |
| 19:50.50 | ibot | ACTION gets a huge black sheet and covers Manu with it so that nobody can see what Manu is doing! |
| 19:50.58 | Epyon | runs in terror! |
| 19:51.11 | Winny | Epyon, you're not as unlucky as Constitution ;) |
| 19:51.19 | Winny | runs |
| 19:51.25 | JeffM | Epyon, it's sorted by closest time zone I think, part of the web app bug |
| 19:51.29 | Epyon | LOL, true Winny :P |
| 19:51.53 | JeffM | gets out the wip |
| 19:51.56 | JeffM | whip even |
| 19:52.08 | Manu | congrats Epyon ;) |
| 19:52.09 | Winny | the cool whip? |
| 19:52.27 | JeffM | Epyon, honestly he is closest to you, and if you can explain your project to him, you pass :) |
| 19:52.45 | Epyon | 6 apps this year -- gratz BZFlag :) |
| 19:52.55 | JeffM | we only wanted 5 |
| 19:53.10 | KingofCamelot | lol |
| 19:53.10 | Epyon | JeffM, and I suppose that's why I'm in? xP |
| 19:53.14 | JeffM | Epyon, nope |
| 19:54.12 | Wyk3d1 | so who got mails ? me, epyon and ? |
| 19:54.16 | KingofCamelot | I got one |
| 19:54.19 | JeffM | http://code.google.com/soc/2008/bzflag/about.html |
| 19:54.23 | JeffM | that lists em |
| 19:54.34 | JeffM | now that it's all public |
| 19:54.38 | JeffM | contratulations to you all |
| 19:54.49 | KingofCamelot | Thanks. :) |
| 19:55.01 | JeffM | for those that didn't make it, we are indeed very very sorry, we wished we had a way to handle duplicates. |
| 19:55.11 | Manu | sure, congrats to all the students |
| 19:55.17 | JeffM | but we fully expect you to apply next year :) |
| 19:55.20 | Winny | Who's doing the auth daemon? |
| 19:55.27 | Wyk3d1 | is |
| 19:55.30 | Wyk3d1 | :) |
| 19:55.41 | JeffM | and if any of you would like we can discuss the whys and hows in private. |
| 19:56.04 | Winny | Wyk3d1: :) |
| 19:56.10 | Wyk3d1 | is this list ordered by rank ? |
| 19:56.54 | Manu | probably ;) |
| 19:57.09 | Manu | but asc or des? :) |
| 19:57.32 | KingofCamelot | If it's ordered by rank than I feel flattered :P |
| 19:57.37 | KingofCamelot | But I suspect it's random. |
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| 19:57.40 | Wyk3d1 | ascending probably .. i can't be second .. or ?:) |
| 19:57.53 | Winny | drags Wyk3d1 to the bottom |
| 19:57.56 | Manu | Wyk3d1: why not? :) |
| 19:58.35 | Erroneous | congrats guys |
| 19:58.43 | Wyk3d1 | just a feeling.. i don't know |
| 19:59.25 | brlcad | congratulations to KingofCamelot, Wyk3d1, Constitution, Lukstr, Epyon, bugQ .. hopefully have a great summer ahead of us |
| 19:59.35 | bugQ | !!! |
| 19:59.39 | Manu | or a hell |
| 19:59.49 | spldart | It will be eventful I'm sure |
| 19:59.52 | bugQ | bounces off the walls. |
| 19:59.53 | Erroneous | haha, Manu, not supposed to tell them that part :P |
| 20:00.05 | Winny | hands bugQ some rubber walls |
| 20:00.09 | Manu | Erroneous: I'm being polite ;) |
| 20:00.40 | Wyk3d1 | i can't help noticing .. 6 people ? you asked for 5 :D |
| 20:00.55 | Manu | Erroneous: in private I'm worse :-p |
| 20:01.00 | spldart | Google loves us |
| 20:01.02 | Erroneous | Manu: I'm sure :) |
| 20:01.05 | bugQ | I'm a Klingon, they couldn't help it. |
| 20:01.18 | whodaman- | :P |
| 20:01.20 | JeffM | Wyk3d1, they had an extra and made us take it |
| 20:01.21 | spldart | Put that Batleth down |
| 20:01.23 | Erroneous | we were asked to take a sixth. who are we to refuse? :) |
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| 20:02.10 | JeffM | so if the students don't know already. The mentor listed is just who is responsible for your write up, and that writeup will be reviewd by the other mentors before it's sent. We will mentor as a team |
| 20:02.12 | Wyk3d1 | "had an extra" ? "made you" ? .. but ok nevermind .. in the end it's all good news :) |
| 20:02.20 | JeffM | so any mentor can help you out if need be |
| 20:02.27 | JeffM | and should help you out. |
| 20:02.38 | Erroneous | bugQ: just remember... Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam! |
| 20:02.52 | bugQ | was joking, and can't read Klingon... |
| 20:02.55 | Erroneous | heh |
| 20:02.56 | whoda|iPod | heh |
| 20:03.07 | spldart | P'toch |
| 20:03.16 | Winny | Erroneous, I'm scared to ask. Does that actually mean something? |
| 20:03.24 | Erroneous | it's a common enough phrase. assuming I didn't misspell anything, you should be able to googl eit |
| 20:03.39 | whoda|iPod | :p |
| 20:04.01 | Winny | "Today is a good day to die"? |
| 20:04.07 | Erroneous | yup |
| 20:04.16 | Winny | hehe |
| 20:04.25 | JeffM | over the next 2 weeks we'll have to figure out where each of you are going to do your respective projects. we'd like as many of them as possible to be in trunk |
| 20:05.19 | JeffM | and all of you have a sourceforge account right? |
| 20:05.24 | Wyk3d1 | does |
| 20:05.29 | bugQ | too. |
| 20:05.35 | KingofCamelot | does too |
| 20:05.39 | Erroneous | they all had to submit patches, so they all have sf accounts |
| 20:05.45 | Wyk3d1 | doh :) |
| 20:05.47 | JeffM | true true |
| 20:05.48 | Erroneous | that much we know :) |
| 20:05.48 | JeffM | yeah forgot |
| 20:05.57 | JeffM | well we didn't do that last year :) |
| 20:06.05 | Erroneous | 'twas a good idea though |
| 20:06.07 | brlcad | Wyk3d1: exactly what Erroneous said .. we did just ask for 5, so one of the students got really really lucky :) |
| 20:06.09 | Manu | puts trunk in quarantine |
| 20:06.21 | bugQ | and like I said, that was me. |
| 20:06.38 | JeffM | Manu, no, we should branch off 3.0 |
| 20:06.41 | Manu | bugQ: indeed |
| 20:06.49 | JeffM | but most of them will be ok |
| 20:07.04 | bugQ | oh, you're serious? now I feel stupid. |
| 20:07.18 | JeffM | Next year we need to realy have a way to handle dupes |
| 20:07.25 | JeffM | we had 5 submistions of the same proejct |
| 20:07.38 | bugQ | it was mine, right? |
| 20:07.43 | Erroneous | bugQ: he's just being mean :) |
| 20:07.53 | Manu | lol |
| 20:08.17 | JeffM | I'm sure if anyone wants a post mortem ranking eval we can give it to them in private |
| 20:08.28 | Manu | bugQ: no, Erroneous is being mean :) or not... ;) |
| 20:08.42 | bugQ | retreats. |
| 20:09.05 | JeffM | tho I will say, that everyone who is actualy here was seriously in the running. The people who didn't show up here, were prety much right out. |
| 20:09.20 | bugQ | well that's good. |
| 20:09.24 | Erroneous | and we did still turn down several very solid proposals |
| 20:09.33 | JeffM | sadly |
| 20:09.38 | bugQ | :( |
| 20:10.09 | Winny | You could just not pay them ;) |
| 20:10.29 | JeffM | next year we will realy stress that multiple subimsions are good |
| 20:10.30 | Erroneous | Winny: everyone is always welcome to help :) |
| 20:10.34 | JeffM | indeed |
| 20:10.41 | bugQ | unfortunately I had an entire summer planned if this didn't go through, as I assume many others did. |
| 20:11.20 | Erroneous | bugQ: well we can still drop you and move someone else up if you have other plans... ;) |
| 20:11.28 | Wyk3d1 | i didn't really plan on anything else actually .. |
| 20:11.37 | bugQ | shuts his big mouth. |
| 20:11.40 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 20:12.06 | spldart | heh |
| 20:13.17 | BulletCatcher | Congratulations to all of the GSoC winners! |
| 20:13.28 | JeffM | and speaking of 6 slots |
| 20:13.32 | JeffM | Thumper_, you around? |
| 20:13.48 | Erroneous | but seriously, we had a lot of competitive apps. if you got in, congratulations. if not, please do reapply next year. if your application was good this year and we just didn't have enough slots, we WILL remember that. |
| 20:13.53 | Thumper_ | JeffM: yup |
| 20:14.00 | JeffM | Thumper_, whatcha doin this summer? :) |
| 20:14.06 | spldart | ;-) |
| 20:14.12 | JeffM | wanna be a part time mentor? |
| 20:14.19 | Thumper_ | besides work? not sure I can try. |
| 20:14.31 | JeffM | help old spldart out with his kiddie? :) |
| 20:14.44 | spldart | :-D |
| 20:14.45 | JeffM | just give a pointer or 3 every so often :) |
| 20:14.55 | JeffM | maybe answer a question or seven |
| 20:15.11 | Thumper_ | I'll do my best. I'm still not really familiar with the code in general - I know more about the server than the client |
| 20:15.26 | Thumper_ | but I'm willing to help anyway that's useful |
| 20:15.30 | JeffM | Thumper_, this would be for a web based bzfs management system :) |
| 20:15.34 | spldart | Your uniquely qualified |
| 20:15.38 | Thumper_ | heh |
| 20:15.39 | JeffM | you "may" know a bit about it |
| 20:15.41 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 20:16.28 | Thumper_ | JeffM: http://dev.bzflag.norang.ca/ if it ever gets finished... |
| 20:16.30 | JeffM | with the added slot I'd just like to have another mentor in the wings just in case :) |
| 20:16.51 | Thumper_ | sure I'll help |
| 20:16.55 | JeffM | thanks |
| 20:17.01 | Thumper_ | just tell me what you want me to do :) |
| 20:17.28 | bugQ | oh, you're going to pair with _me_? |
| 20:17.30 | JeffM | Thumper_, at some point just read over bugQ's proposal, maybe make some notes |
| 20:17.33 | JeffM | bugQ, not pair |
| 20:17.41 | JeffM | but help spldart and there rest of us out |
| 20:17.43 | bugQ | what else would you call it? |
| 20:17.54 | JeffM | he's done a lot of work on similar projects |
| 20:18.04 | JeffM | well we arn't going to pair people off |
| 20:18.11 | JeffM | you won't go off with spldart and just bust this out |
| 20:18.12 | Thumper_ | the notes are in the wiki I assume? |
| 20:18.20 | JeffM | bugQ, is your propsal on the wiki? |
| 20:18.27 | bugQ | no |
| 20:18.30 | JeffM | if not can you move it there? |
| 20:18.35 | bugQ | sure. where? |
| 20:18.41 | JeffM | and then we can comment on it on the talk page |
| 20:18.47 | JeffM | just make a new article for it with the title |
| 20:19.03 | bugQ | so, anywhere? good. |
| 20:19.12 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:19.15 | JeffM | just on it's own page |
| 20:19.36 | JeffM | probalby be agood to have each of the propsals go into the wiki as real pages with the deisgn doc tag now |
| 20:19.43 | JeffM | so we can work out the kinks as a group |
| 20:20.02 | Erroneous | whatever kinks haven't already been worked out in the app process anyway |
| 20:20.15 | JeffM | yes |
| 20:20.31 | JeffM | wiki will also allow for a larger peer review |
| 20:22.28 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || 2.0.10 is the latest public release || GSoC 2008, mentor blog at http://tanks4code.blogspot.com || Congratulations GSoC particiapts-- particiapts should move there proposals to the wiki for review |
| 20:22.44 | brlcad | (and not a user-page, only use your user page for progress updates) |
| 20:22.59 | JeffM | yeah everyyone move your propsal to a design doc on the wiki |
| 20:23.03 | *** topic/#bzflag by Erroneous -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || 2.0.10 is the latest public release || GSoC 2008, mentor blog at http://tanks4code.blogspot.com || Congratulations GSoC particiapts-- particiapts should move their proposals to the wiki for review |
| 20:23.13 | JeffM | use the talk for discussing changes, user page for progress |
| 20:23.42 | *** topic/#bzflag by Erroneous -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || 2.0.10 is the latest public release || GSoC 2008, mentor blog at http://tanks4code.blogspot.com || Congratulations GSoC participants -- participants should move their proposals to the wiki for review |
| 20:23.52 | bugQ | gimme a bit. |
| 20:24.02 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Erroneous] by ChanServ |
| 20:24.04 | JeffM | no huge rush |
| 20:24.23 | JeffM | but that'd just be where we can all start to go over and finalise the details. |
| 20:24.29 | bugQ | well, I have a bus in 15 min, so there is, in fact. :) |
| 20:25.10 | KingofCamelot | Move it and cut out the unneeded stuff, like the personal info, ya? |
| 20:25.22 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 20:25.32 | Erroneous | turn it into a design doc/spec/whatever, basically |
| 20:25.35 | JeffM | yeah, bsicly it's now becoming your deisng doc |
| 20:25.55 | bugQ | oh yeah, I can put that stuff in my user page. |
| 20:26.15 | Erroneous | personal stuff if you choose to publish it goes on your user page, yeah |
| 20:27.25 | brlcad | bugQ, KingofCamelot and others, are you able to edit your abstracts? |
| 20:27.33 | bugQ | yes, no worries |
| 20:28.39 | KingofCamelot | Oh my...turns out I ignored a phone call this morning from a University of California police detective :P |
| 20:28.41 | KingofCamelot | Whoops |
| 20:28.52 | brlcad | editing that to be a good summary would be nice give that's what people will read on the google sight now |
| 20:29.17 | JeffM | if you use the {{DesignDocument}} tag at the top that will put it in the right categories. |
| 20:29.17 | spldart | KoC is going to jail 8-0 hehee |
| 20:29.22 | KingofCamelot | spldart, hopefully not :P |
| 20:29.27 | spldart | ;-) |
| 20:29.43 | KingofCamelot | it's probably about the dorm robberies...but that was months ago |
| 20:29.50 | brlcad | someone(tm) should make a {{GSoC}} template |
| 20:30.13 | brlcad | and/or category |
| 20:30.33 | bugQ | ok: http://my.bzflag.org/w/User:BugQ/BZFWeb |
| 20:30.43 | bugQ | and, I'm off. |
| 20:30.48 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:30.54 | spldart | cyah bugQ |
| 20:32.36 | Erroneous | sets forum ranks for the SoC folks |
| 20:33.24 | spldart | Oh yeah |
| 20:34.13 | brlcad | gah bugQ :) .. " (and not a user-page..." |
| 20:34.17 | Erroneous | Epyon: would you prefer to retain your 2007 GSoC participant rank, or be changed to 2008 GSoC participant? |
| 20:35.14 | Erroneous | and likewise for Constitution: would you prefer to retain your existing dev rank, or be set to 2008 GSoC participant? |
| 20:35.15 | JeffM | ok, KingofCamelot welcome to commit access, please read http://my.bzflag.org/w/SVN specificly the part about auto-props. break anythign and I'll kill ya ;) |
| 20:35.32 | brlcad | note to the others, the non-user page should probably be project-centric, not person-centric .. so not in the first person like the applications :) |
| 20:35.34 | KingofCamelot | :D |
| 20:36.07 | brlcad | and read DEVINFO if you *still* haven't by now or others will also kill ya |
| 20:36.23 | JeffM | Lukstr, welcome to commit access, please read http://my.bzflag.org/w/SVN specificly the part about auto-props. break anythign and I'll kill ya ;) |
| 20:37.06 | KingofCamelot | brlcad and JeffM, yes sirs. :) Will read later, going to lunch now. |
| 20:37.26 | Manu | KingofCamelot: and don't break anything ;) |
| 20:37.30 | JeffM | Wyk3d1, welcome to commit access, please read http://my.bzflag.org/w/SVN specificly the part about auto-props. break anythign and I'll kill ya ;) |
| 20:37.46 | Winny | JeffM, why not put all their names in one statement? :P |
| 20:37.52 | jorgenpt | Has the fresh meat arrived? |
| 20:37.59 | JeffM | cus I'm doing it one at a time as I add them |
| 20:38.16 | JeffM | hmmm.. no link to bugQ's patch |
| 20:38.54 | Erroneous | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1944622&group_id=3248&atid=303248 is one, JeffM |
| 20:39.00 | Erroneous | sf name bug |
| 20:39.02 | Erroneous | bugq rather |
| 20:39.07 | JeffM | yeah I see that |
| 20:39.43 | JeffM | ibot message for bugQ welcome to commit access, please read http://my.bzflag.org/w/SVN specificly the part about auto-props. break anythign and I'll kill ya ;) |
| 20:39.53 | blast007 | hehe |
| 20:39.56 | *** join/#bzflag bugQ (n=bugQ@lib-uconnect-216.wireless.utah.edu) |
| 20:39.58 | JeffM | Constitution and Epyon... cary on. |
| 20:40.11 | bugQ | ok, I decided to stay. |
| 20:40.17 | Erroneous | bugQ: do you have a registered callsign? |
| 20:40.18 | Manu | :) |
| 20:40.19 | JeffM | read your botmail |
| 20:40.35 | JeffM | or heck |
| 20:40.45 | JeffM | bugQ welcome to commit access, please read http://my.bzflag.org/w/SVN specificly the part about auto-props. break anythign and I'll kill ya ;) |
| 20:40.46 | bugQ | it used to be Questionmark, but I registered bugQ recently. |
| 20:41.04 | bugQ | oo, sweet. |
| 20:41.05 | JeffM | no more pasting :) |
| 20:41.07 | brlcad | bugQ, *not* a user page .. so it really shouldn't be in the first person or under your user page :) |
| 20:41.12 | JeffM | and read devINFO |
| 20:41.26 | bugQ | ok then. |
| 20:41.34 | JeffM | there is a wiki style guide |
| 20:41.40 | Erroneous | bugQ: I get "no such user found" for bugq. I do get a result for Questionmark. |
| 20:41.47 | bugQ | hm. |
| 20:41.57 | Erroneous | is just setting SoC rank insignia |
| 20:42.18 | brlcad | you can leave that one to talk about the project from your perspective but something like w/BZFWeb would probably be more appropriate |
| 20:42.19 | Erroneous | I can set it for Questionmark if that's the one you're planning on using ingame and on the forums |
| 20:42.31 | *** join/#bzflag lol_u (n=4c5d8bae@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:43.40 | lol_u | hey everyone |
| 20:43.46 | bugQ | ok, apparently I haven't yet. |
| 20:44.06 | bugQ | it would be less confusing. I don't really like my old handle anymore. |
| 20:44.46 | Erroneous | ok, then let me know when you register the one you're going to use, and I'll set your special rank :) |
| 20:46.05 | bugQ | oh boy, it says there's already a user for bug@insecti.com, but it's not bugQ. |
| 20:46.10 | Erroneous | heh |
| 20:46.19 | bugQ | I forgot what it was! |
| 20:46.31 | bugQ | oh, it's "bug?" |
| 20:46.39 | bugQ | heeehee. |
| 20:46.57 | Erroneous | got it |
| 20:47.12 | lol_u | hey where can I find map config files of servers? |
| 20:47.25 | Erroneous | rank set. you're welcome to rename it if you so desire (it's up to you) |
| 20:47.37 | JeffM | lol_u, map files? or config files? they are not the same |
| 20:47.37 | bugQ | right then. |
| 20:47.49 | JeffM | lol_u, maps can be found on the fourms and other palces, configs, you make |
| 20:47.51 | lol_u | config files |
| 20:47.55 | lol_u | oh |
| 20:47.55 | JeffM | you make them |
| 20:48.05 | JeffM | there is a sample in the /misc dir |
| 20:48.08 | lol_u | does the online do any good config building? |
| 20:48.12 | JeffM | and an HTML page that will build one for oyu |
| 20:48.22 | lol_u | is it the online one? |
| 20:48.24 | JeffM | but you eventualy have to hand tweak them usualy |
| 20:48.43 | JeffM | I don't know of any online one, just the html one we ship in /misc |
| 20:49.00 | bugQ | so, not in the 1st person? More a declarative style? |
| 20:49.09 | lol_u | ok |
| 20:49.15 | lol_u | but look jef |
| 20:49.16 | JeffM | bugQ, yes in general |
| 20:49.23 | lol_u | Jeff another thing |
| 20:49.29 | JeffM | bugQ, basicly describe, not say ;) |
| 20:50.02 | lol_u | I already made a map with iBZedit and used the online config builder and I dont know how to start my server |
| 20:50.08 | lol_u | My IP isnt |
| 20:50.10 | bugQ | and what about the name? is BZFWeb ok? |
| 20:50.10 | lol_u | static |
| 20:50.13 | JeffM | lol_u, so |
| 20:50.16 | lol_u | so |
| 20:50.17 | JeffM | you can get a domain name |
| 20:50.17 | bugQ | I just made it up. |
| 20:50.21 | lol_u | i did |
| 20:50.22 | lol_u | its |
| 20:50.32 | JeffM | there are many articles and threads on starting a server |
| 20:50.32 | lol_u | udiedproductions.podzone.net |
| 20:50.38 | lol_u | i already looked |
| 20:50.40 | Erroneous | bugQ: that's fine |
| 20:50.42 | lol_u | i already lookednon were good for me |
| 20:50.49 | lol_u | looked non* |
| 20:50.54 | JeffM | lol_u, "good for you"? |
| 20:51.01 | lol_u | well this is my first time |
| 20:51.08 | lol_u | and I dont understand it |
| 20:51.14 | lol_u | but since you already know |
| 20:51.19 | lol_u | its easy for you I guess |
| 20:51.45 | donny_baker | lol_u: setting up a server is not trivial |
| 20:51.54 | lol_u | yeah blast told me |
| 20:52.26 | lol_u | so is there anyone online that helps people set up there server? |
| 20:52.38 | spldart | not officially |
| 20:52.53 | JeffM | yeah it's assumed you know enough about your computer to set one up |
| 20:52.56 | donny_baker | it is doable, but you really need to usderstand why you are doing things and how they work to minimize your exposure to risk |
| 20:53.10 | JeffM | if you do it worng you could open up your machine to lots of bad security stuff |
| 20:53.27 | JeffM | what part did you get stuck on in the fourm thread? |
| 20:53.33 | JeffM | that and how old are you? |
| 20:53.36 | lol_u | well i made the map |
| 20:53.39 | lol_u | and everything |
| 20:53.44 | lol_u | how old am I? |
| 20:53.46 | lol_u | 14 |
| 20:53.51 | JeffM | get your parents help |
| 20:53.54 | lol_u | lol |
| 20:54.01 | lol_u | they dont know anything |
| 20:54.02 | JeffM | you have to open holes in your router and firewall |
| 20:54.11 | lol_u | i already set everything up |
| 20:54.12 | JeffM | it's not trivial |
| 20:54.19 | lol_u | just need to get it running |
| 20:54.21 | JeffM | so you have your port routed? |
| 20:54.22 | lol_u | just need to get it runningthe terminal |
| 20:54.24 | lol_u | yes |
| 20:54.32 | lol_u | the terminal says that its a bad argument |
| 20:54.35 | JeffM | then just do bzfs -public "heya" |
| 20:54.36 | lol_u | and i looked |
| 20:54.39 | lol_u | ok |
| 20:54.53 | JeffM | see if that shows on the list as a server called "heya" |
| 20:54.54 | lol_u | oh |
| 20:54.58 | JeffM | if so then you are good |
| 20:55.03 | JeffM | if not, then you don't have it all setup |
| 20:55.14 | lol_u | ok how do i run it? |
| 20:55.19 | lol_u | I know I drag bzfs |
| 20:55.22 | JeffM | no |
| 20:55.23 | lol_u | to my terminal |
| 20:55.32 | lol_u | ? |
| 20:55.37 | JeffM | so you don't know enought about your computer to run command line apps? |
| 20:55.37 | lol_u | then thats my problem |
| 20:55.45 | JeffM | you need to learn the basiscs o that then |
| 20:55.46 | lol_u | not really i learned some |
| 20:55.49 | lol_u | ok |
| 20:55.50 | JeffM | learn more |
| 20:55.57 | lol_u | do i just google |
| 20:56.00 | JeffM | I assme you are on a mac? |
| 20:56.00 | spldart | much more |
| 20:56.04 | lol_u | yes |
| 20:56.14 | JeffM | you should learn about the bash shell on the mac |
| 20:56.26 | JeffM | running a server isn't drag and drop |
| 20:56.34 | JeffM | you need to understand what his happening. |
| 20:56.38 | lol_u | well |
| 20:56.41 | lol_u | in mac |
| 20:56.51 | Winny | in mac has nothing to do with it |
| 20:56.55 | lol_u | to enter a file rout |
| 20:56.59 | lol_u | route |
| 20:57.02 | Winny | a server is started the same way no matter the OS |
| 20:57.03 | lol_u | you just drag |
| 20:57.08 | lol_u | Winny |
| 20:57.14 | lol_u | then you can help? |
| 20:57.16 | lol_u | lol |
| 20:57.25 | bugQ | lol_u is right, that's one way of doing thins. |
| 20:57.28 | bugQ | *things. |
| 20:57.33 | donny_baker | lol_u: look at this - http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3940 |
| 20:57.45 | lol_u | ok |
| 20:57.46 | Winny | You can drag the application to get the path, but it does not give you any options. |
| 20:57.48 | JeffM | there is also the basic thread, http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 20:57.53 | JeffM | that has mac command line |
| 20:58.05 | JeffM | but realy if you don't know what you are doing, you can realy screw yourself up |
| 20:58.19 | donny_baker | big time |
| 20:58.26 | lol_u | well I have blast007 helping me |
| 20:58.28 | JeffM | if you can't navigate to the app with out draging, you have big problems |
| 20:58.30 | lol_u | and he doesnt know y |
| 20:58.35 | lol_u | its not working |
| 20:58.41 | lol_u | he says everything looks fine |
| 20:58.47 | lol_u | but you know the ?? |
| 20:58.51 | JeffM | lol_u, no mostly you have bast being anoyed with you because you don't know what you are doing, and screwing up his instructions |
| 20:58.52 | lol_u | in the config file? |
| 20:58.58 | JeffM | you also need to speak in COMPLETE sentances. |
| 20:59.00 | Winny | You need to learn how to do it right, then. We're not here to teach you how to use your computer. |
| 20:59.20 | JeffM | the basics are |
| 20:59.22 | JeffM | open the terminal |
| 20:59.30 | JeffM | use CD to change to the dir where bzfs is |
| 20:59.36 | lol_u | i know that |
| 20:59.42 | JeffM | then have you done that? |
| 20:59.43 | spldart | Best advice is do it just like They say do it lol_u... and JeffM is a top expert :) |
| 20:59.48 | lol_u | yes |
| 20:59.50 | lol_u | but look |
| 21:00.01 | lol_u | i think I'll look at donny_bakers link |
| 21:00.10 | lol_u | it seems pretty helpful so far' |
| 21:00.11 | JeffM | you havce run bzfs -public "my server" and it shows up? |
| 21:00.17 | JeffM | that's the most basic test |
| 21:00.20 | lol_u | nope |
| 21:00.22 | donny_baker | predicts a 2501 before this is over |
| 21:00.23 | lol_u | it didnt show up |
| 21:00.32 | JeffM | then you are not setup correctly |
| 21:00.37 | lol_u | hmmm |
| 21:00.41 | JeffM | did you route your port? |
| 21:00.41 | lol_u | then the online isnt good |
| 21:00.43 | Winny | then you need to set up your router and / or firewall correctly |
| 21:00.48 | lol_u | guess I gotta do it by hand |
| 21:00.57 | lol_u | i already did everything with the security |
| 21:01.24 | lol_u | look I think Im really getting you guys ticked off |
| 21:01.28 | lol_u | and I feel bad now |
| 21:01.29 | donny_baker | well then your just seconds away from having it up |
| 21:01.35 | lol_u | so i'll just go |
| 21:01.55 | lol_u | and i didnt know i was bothern Blast |
| 21:02.02 | lol_u | because JeffM told me |
| 21:02.08 | lol_u | so i think i'll just go |
| 21:02.21 | lol_u | srry to disturb you guys :( |
| 21:02.28 | lol_u | thanks alot though |
| 21:02.30 | lol_u | bye |
| 21:02.32 | lol_u | :( |
| 21:02.36 | donny_baker | cya |
| 21:04.04 | whoda|iPod | heh... |
| 21:05.17 | TheRedBaron | bah - go easy on him. |
| 21:05.32 | TheRedBaron | When was the last time you had a newbie apologize for being being a disturbance? |
| 21:07.59 | JeffM | lol_u, wow |
| 21:08.03 | JeffM | you don't actualy read do you |
| 21:08.14 | JeffM | what I told you to do was to check your router |
| 21:08.24 | JeffM | has nothing to do wiht "the online one" whatever that is |
| 21:10.47 | Constitution | Erroneous: yeah I'll take a GSoC rank :) |
| 21:11.26 | Constitution | I'll probably want to go back once the summer is over |
| 21:11.33 | Erroneous | Constitution: set :) |
| 21:11.40 | Erroneous | ok, that's fine too |
| 21:11.42 | Constitution | thanks :) |
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| 21:12.46 | JeffM | Constitution, ok, so my dry cleaning needs to be picked up by like 3:30 |
| 21:12.59 | Winny | hehe |
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| 21:20.52 | bugQ | OK, now at http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFWeb |
| 21:21.08 | Constitution | JeffM: ok, IRS guidelines are like $0.45/mi., sound good? |
| 21:21.25 | JeffM | Constitution, sure bill gogole |
| 21:21.49 | Constitution | heh |
| 21:21.57 | Constitution | if my 94 Volvo would even make it |
| 21:22.16 | bugQ | oops, one last use of "I". |
| 21:24.37 | bugQ | there. |
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| 21:33.35 | Constitution | JeffM: I'm thinking that my project lends itself to a branch |
| 21:34.01 | JeffM | Constitution, yes and no |
| 21:34.15 | JeffM | it is post 3.0 for sure |
| 21:34.28 | JeffM | but if that post 3.0 codebase is also trunk... so be it :) |
| 21:34.37 | Constitution | darn, so I'm going to have to make my code actually work? |
| 21:34.39 | JeffM | your project is somewhat tied to my shot redo |
| 21:34.56 | JeffM | Constitution, I shoudl be saying that, I have to finish shots so you can use them on the server ;) |
| 21:35.19 | Constitution | ah :) |
| 21:35.51 | JeffM | but yeah you won't be in the 3.0 mainline that is for sure |
| 21:36.00 | Constitution | so are we still trying to release 3.0 before the coding starts? that's something like a month away, right? |
| 21:36.58 | JeffM | that... is a point of discussion |
| 21:37.08 | JeffM | there is no way we can make it IMHO |
| 21:37.25 | JeffM | but if we do it right, nothing says SoC has to kill a 3.0 release over the summer |
| 21:37.48 | Constitution | hm |
| 21:37.53 | Winny | Just wait until SoC is done |
| 21:38.01 | Winny | no point in making two major releases in a short time |
| 21:38.11 | Winny | better to deliver one final polished product, IMO |
| 21:38.29 | JeffM | Winny, that'd be 9 months away |
| 21:38.37 | JeffM | I say ship it |
| 21:38.43 | JeffM | so it's a short one |
| 21:38.56 | JeffM | that's our punishment for keeping it around for 2 years |
| 21:47.13 | Constitution | hm, I don't see how any of these projects would need to break protocol necessarily... the closest one would probably be the new auth daemon |
| 21:47.23 | Constitution | although that's not "protocol" technically |
| 21:47.35 | Winny | speaking of LDAP, brlcad, drupal :) |
| 21:47.58 | Erroneous | mmm, yours won't? |
| 21:48.17 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r921 10/trunk/ (24 files in 3 dirs): |
| 21:48.17 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Inset/outset contour support for fonts, by Eric Beets. For now, only |
| 21:48.17 | CIA-32 | FTGL: contours with exactly the same number of points are generated. |
| 21:48.27 | JeffM | Constitution, yeah, we are breaking proto big time ;) |
| 21:48.32 | JeffM | if all goes well |
| 21:48.51 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r922 10/trunk/demo/FTGLDemo.cpp: * Fine tune the demo so that the extrude mode shows the outset results. |
| 21:48.52 | JeffM | consider that the proto is also how the client behves |
| 21:48.57 | JeffM | not just the networkness |
| 21:49.05 | Constitution | Erroneous: it could, but wouldn't have to necessarily |
| 21:49.15 | Erroneous | bets it will :) |
| 21:49.17 | Constitution | if preserving compatibility is important... which it may not be |
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| 21:49.40 | Erroneous | I'm not sure I see the point of the work if it *doesn't* |
| 21:49.40 | JeffM | server side collsions prety much EXISTS to break compatability |
| 21:49.47 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:49.54 | sam | brlcad: http://zoy.org/~sam/ftgl-outset.png this is a new feature we added to FTGL, it allows to create bevels, chamfers and borders around glyphs |
| 21:49.57 | JeffM | the point is the current version is what we don't want to do. |
| 21:50.06 | sam | brlcad: and without breaking the API :) |
| 21:50.27 | blast007 | sam: cool |
| 21:53.15 | Constitution | basically, it sounds like the preferred method of collision handling is a *synced* state between the client and server rather than fully server-side deaths... correct? |
| 21:53.35 | JeffM | we don't know that yet |
| 21:53.45 | Constitution | oh, right, testing |
| 21:53.51 | JeffM | but no mater what you'd need the client logic to be changed to defer to the server |
| 21:53.56 | JeffM | and the current client won't do that |
| 21:54.06 | JeffM | so no mater what we'll have to make sure everyones on the same level :) |
| 21:54.15 | JeffM | so we do a 4.0, big whup |
| 21:54.28 | Constitution | the client can already "defer" to the server if all the server is doing is kicking the player |
| 21:54.39 | JeffM | it'd be more then that |
| 21:54.45 | JeffM | it'd be killing htem |
| 21:54.52 | JeffM | as not all state problems may be kickable |
| 21:55.04 | JeffM | compatability isn't a massive issue in my book |
| 21:55.11 | Constitution | okay |
| 21:55.13 | Erroneous | kicks are almost universally a bad solution for state differences |
| 21:55.18 | JeffM | indeed |
| 21:55.21 | JeffM | better to fix it |
| 21:55.23 | JeffM | and go on from there |
| 21:55.26 | JeffM | lag happens |
| 21:55.35 | Erroneous | the only time kicks are really a good solution is when there's no possible way the client can be corrected |
| 21:55.59 | JeffM | we arn't making a punkbuster |
| 21:59.20 | Constitution | so the first thing we need to know is how well the state can be synced, I suppose |
| 22:00.02 | JeffM | yes |
| 22:00.09 | JeffM | the steps I see for you are as follows |
| 22:00.15 | JeffM | 1) you find all the collsion code |
| 22:00.44 | JeffM | 2) you copy it to something that is generic and used by libGame |
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| 22:00.53 | JeffM | that includes shot strats, etc.. |
| 22:01.15 | Constitution | or 2) replace code with if( pr->nickname == std::str("Constitution") ) return false; |
| 22:01.16 | JeffM | 3) hook the server into updating a state with shots using your new code |
| 22:01.38 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 22:01.41 | JeffM | 4) we hook up a server defined lag compensated effect system where we can show markers in game where the server things things should happen. |
| 22:02.08 | JeffM | then have the server state fire off events to show effects where the shots rico, end, and kill |
| 22:02.10 | JeffM | then test that |
| 22:02.20 | JeffM | and see if the server makers match what we see when we play |
| 22:02.37 | Constitution | ok |
| 22:02.39 | JeffM | then we can have a client go and track the time delta betwen the prediction and the reality |
| 22:02.50 | JeffM | that gives us hard stats on how "good" the server is |
| 22:02.57 | JeffM | after that we decide what to do with it |
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| 22:04.59 | JeffM | to me that seems the best way to fully understand what is going on as these cahnges are made |
| 22:06.38 | bugQ | cahnge is an awesome word. |
| 22:07.40 | Erroneous | you better believe it |
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| 22:28.47 | Constitution | bugQ: I'm sure you have a ton of code in the running to look over already, but I believe that some others have tried to develop BZFS web-based control sites, and their work might serve for some ideas: PHP_BZAdmin (by AAA_awright), http://labs.tssoftware.net/websvn/listing.php?repname=PHP_BZAdmin&path=%2F&rev=91&sc=1 , MasterBot, http://sourceforge.net/projects/masterbot , and BZWebAdmin, http://sourceforge.net/projects/bzwa |
| 22:28.56 | Constitution | among others, I'm sure |
| 22:29.07 | bugQ | ok then, thank you. |
| 22:29.38 | JeffM | bugQ, you should also look at the built in HTTP stuff we have now |
| 22:29.59 | JeffM | it could get you a good hook into a running bzfs |
| 22:30.05 | JeffM | for admin stuff |
| 22:30.10 | bugQ | right. |
| 22:32.35 | TD-Linux | masterbot was kinda weird, the last version used a plugin that opened a port with winsock and listened with a custom protocol |
| 22:32.45 | brlcad | sam: hah, that's pretty cool |
| 22:32.51 | TD-Linux | I might try porting that to the new API with its socket support sometime |
| 22:33.03 | brlcad | gets some ideas |
| 22:33.04 | TD-Linux | so it can run on the same port as bzfs |
| 22:33.40 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03catay * r17056 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): |
| 22:33.40 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: Added following BZFS API methods |
| 22:33.40 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: * bz_IPUnbanUser |
| 22:33.40 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: was already in header but not implemented, it is now. |
| 22:33.40 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: * bz_IDUnbanUser |
| 22:33.41 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: Added extra check on bzID in bz_IDBanUser. |
| 22:33.57 | Constitution | ~catay++ |
| 22:34.25 | catay | :) |
| 22:35.49 | catay | Erroneous: did you see my message here yesterday? |
| 22:35.59 | Erroneous | catay: no |
| 22:36.07 | Erroneous | at least, not that I recall |
| 22:36.13 | catay | I have this old totally not up to date system that still uses 1.3.0 or something |
| 22:36.20 | catay | cares that is |
| 22:36.24 | Erroneous | ah |
| 22:36.41 | catay | I noticed that configure takes automaticilly the bzflag shipped cares |
| 22:36.48 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 22:37.05 | catay | but after the build , an ldd on my bzflag binary shows it still uses the one of the system |
| 22:37.24 | Erroneous | hmm |
| 22:37.26 | catay | also ./confgire --enalbe-ares-build fails |
| 22:38.05 | catay | i tried to figure it out but i'm afraid my configure-fu is very very limited :P |
| 22:39.19 | Erroneous | what do you mean by fails? |
| 22:39.41 | catay | doesn't build |
| 22:39.58 | catay | you know what, i'll paste the output on the bug tracker tomorrow |
| 22:40.02 | Erroneous | ok |
| 22:40.04 | catay | and the config.log |
| 22:40.09 | catay | I'll should go to bed now :) |
| 22:40.17 | Erroneous | from a fresh build too, please |
| 22:40.25 | catay | yes, I will |
| 22:40.29 | Erroneous | fixed some problem yesterday for system ares >1.5 |
| 22:41.04 | Erroneous | thanks :) |
| 22:41.05 | catay | I did it today with a fresh update, totally new tree and was still the same |
| 22:41.16 | catay | ok, i'm to bed , nite :) |
| 22:41.20 | Erroneous | yeah, your case is <1.5, which I haven't tested :( |
| 22:41.33 | Erroneous | 'night! |
| 22:47.05 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17057 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: initialize ares_works in the --enable-build-ares case. |
| 22:56.31 | Constitution | where on the wiki should I put my project info? |
| 22:56.51 | JeffM | you have 2 choices |
| 22:56.59 | JeffM | you can ether expand the server side shots one |
| 22:57.06 | JeffM | or make a new rticle |
| 23:02.39 | Constitution | hm, so maybe a new "collisions" section under taht article? |
| 23:02.54 | JeffM | sure |
| 23:03.01 | Epyon | Erroneous, this might be of some interest to us : http://code.google.com/soc/2008/sdl/appinfo.html?csaid=B5C9E98EE23C2168 :P |
| 23:03.04 | JeffM | since it is somewhat related |
| 23:03.26 | Erroneous | Epyon: it is, thanks |
| 23:03.57 | Epyon | Too bad the other SDL projects are not that useful, at least from my point of view :/ |
| 23:06.16 | JeffM | yeah those are kinda sad |
| 23:08.44 | Constitution | one step closer to BZFlag on the iPhone :D |
| 23:09.01 | JeffM | not |
| 23:09.22 | Epyon | omg |
| 23:09.27 | Epyon | iBZFlag O.o |
| 23:09.46 | Constitution | now at a wopping 0.87 frames per second! |
| 23:09.48 | JeffM | would apple even stamp it? |
| 23:10.05 | Epyon | who the hell needs support for many mice? O.O |
| 23:11.17 | Lukstr | JeffM: Thanks!!! Glad to hear I'll be working with you all |
| 23:11.41 | Epyon | Lukstr, gratz :> |
| 23:11.51 | Erroneous | Epyon: multitouch is generally implemented via multiple mouselike interfaces from an API perspective |
| 23:12.31 | Epyon | Erroneous, well but it seems pretty useless from my perspective -- I'd rather much think that a solid multi-monitor support would be much more useful. |
| 23:13.04 | Lukstr | It's been a long day of moving my stuff back home :) |
| 23:13.19 | JeffM | so we went up 33% in proejcts, I wonder how the other returning orgs did |
| 23:13.23 | Epyon | It will take ages before corporate graphics app developers will even look at SDL, and a mult-monitor support would be useful right now. |
| 23:13.43 | Epyon | TB went 125% |
| 23:13.44 | JeffM | Epyon, I'm guessing they didn't have a strong applicaiton for that |
| 23:13.44 | Lukstr | 6, nice |
| 23:13.46 | Epyon | TP :P |
| 23:13.58 | JeffM | they have 8, how many did they have last year? |
| 23:14.02 | Epyon | 3+1 |
| 23:14.06 | Lukstr | congratz Epyon |
| 23:14.17 | JeffM | they had 4 last year? |
| 23:14.22 | JeffM | I thought it was more |
| 23:14.37 | Epyon | And even worse, one person bailed out. |
| 23:14.54 | JeffM | I just means slots at start |
| 23:15.06 | JeffM | so they doubled this year? |
| 23:17.16 | Epyon | yeah |
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| 23:25.16 | JeffM | so how many developers would be interested in a special developer shirt? |
| 23:25.37 | JeffM | like with your name on it |
| 23:25.40 | JeffM | or really, heck ANYONE |
| 23:25.43 | JeffM | not just developers |
| 23:26.15 | me1 | I would be interested if I had money |
| 23:26.25 | JeffM | so that's a no :) |
| 23:26.56 | Constitution | JeffM: sure |
| 23:27.20 | Constitution | do we get big numbers on our backs too? :) |
| 23:27.33 | JeffM | no, like a gas station work shirt |
| 23:27.49 | JeffM | you get a custom name tag on it, and a patch on the arm just for your shirt |
| 23:28.00 | Constitution | cool |
| 23:28.23 | JeffM | yours will have this http://cheap-threads.com/mopapa.html |
| 23:29.23 | TD-Linux | shoulder rank and ribbon bar included please :) |
| 23:29.31 | JeffM | I've pondered it |
| 23:29.37 | JeffM | seriously |
| 23:30.08 | JeffM | I was going to put the OSI logo on the left shoulder but now I'm thinking of just doing rank bars |
| 23:30.19 | JeffM | http://www.usamilitarymedals.com/enlisted-dress-blue-stripes-male-size-gold-blue-c-2069_1530_2533_2534.html?ummID=9fd68744ce38de4deeb6f90146a9d230 |
| 23:30.54 | JeffM | that means I'd do a different nametag style too |
| 23:32.39 | JeffM | I was thinking of gas station mechanic look, but military may not be horrible |
| 23:38.04 | JeffM | sports is harder |
| 23:38.18 | JeffM | as you need the big name on the back, and a number, etc.. |
| 23:55.58 | Constitution | so... no PHP client port application this year? |
| 23:56.02 | Constitution | AAA_awright, we have failed |
| 23:56.08 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:56.11 | Winny | the horror! |
| 23:57.16 | JeffM | failes Constitution |
| 23:57.45 | JeffM | where is that button to remove commit access... |
| 23:57.57 | Winny | steals an e from JeffM and runs off |
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| 23:58.16 | nn64 | hi all ! |
| 23:58.19 | blast007 | hi |
| 23:58.20 | Winny | heh |
| 23:58.22 | JeffM | word up |
| 23:59.06 | Winny | XP SP3 on April 29th |
| 23:59.31 | nn64 | I'm testing the last 1 or 2 additions before I release my next version of gtkbzedit |
| 23:59.42 | JeffM | does it do anything? |
| 23:59.58 | blast007 | nn64: have you look into the BZWorkBench code ever? |
