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| 00:33.49 | {JAH}7 | +n |
| 00:34.09 | whodaman- | hi |
| 00:34.13 | {JAH}7 | hi |
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| 00:44.25 | Ride- | hey JAH |
| 00:44.37 | {Jah}9 | hey ride :) |
| 00:44.54 | Ride- | do /join ##BZW |
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| 00:58.44 | spldart | I'm such a sucker for toys http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826701009 |
| 00:58.59 | *** join/#bzflag Ride- (n=Ride-@24-197-250-9.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com) |
| 00:59.28 | JeffM2501 | wtf? |
| 01:00.15 | Winny | hehe |
| 01:00.26 | spldart | Some mice.. some HSF's and a stick of desktop memory |
| 01:01.10 | spldart | I can just imagine keymapping alot of feature for bzflag on that numeric keypas |
| 01:01.13 | spldart | pad |
| 01:02.20 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to flip up the door |
| 01:02.26 | JeffM2501 | or if you take the door off, it'll be horible |
| 01:02.54 | spldart | door off |
| 01:02.57 | spldart | oh well |
| 01:03.05 | spldart | I owe myself a gimick silly |
| 01:03.38 | JeffM2501 | now THIS. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826701010 |
| 01:03.42 | JeffM2501 | just screams quality |
| 01:04.02 | spldart | ooOOOOooo. I can plug it in the front usb for when I log into my checking account and balance the books!!! |
| 01:04.37 | spldart | newegg is slow |
| 01:05.25 | spldart | lol.. I looked @ that one.. and dismissed it LOL |
| 01:06.41 | spldart | cut and paste |
| 01:06.48 | spldart | oh well.. I got pogo a light up blue mouse.. she was craving one |
| 01:07.08 | spldart | Her case has blue bubblers in it |
| 01:07.34 | spldart | gah.. I'm messing up cuz I'm splitting my time between this bunked laptop and chat 8- |
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| 01:07.51 | limpo100 | wats up? |
| 01:08.00 | spldart | The sky |
| 01:08.06 | spldart | :~o |
| 01:08.07 | limpo100 | yea thats up... |
| 01:08.07 | spldart | :) |
| 01:08.25 | spldart | Wassup with you? |
| 01:08.47 | limpo100 | my comp wont read my AOE discs its lame!... |
| 01:08.59 | spldart | wow... Ok |
| 01:08.59 | spldart | :( |
| 01:09.04 | limpo100 | if i could play those i would play all day long |
| 01:09.30 | pacman87 | perhaps your computer is telling you to go outside for once |
| 01:09.30 | JeffM2501 | Z |
| 01:09.31 | spldart | Play bzflag :) |
| 01:09.33 | JeffM2501 | Z is up |
| 01:09.36 | limpo100 | just u know blowin up buildings and shooting people with ur troops yup the usual.. and u? |
| 01:09.50 | limpo100 | lol i do go outside |
| 01:10.05 | limpo100 | i mess around with my frnds alot! |
| 01:10.12 | spldart | UV rays are overated.. Xrays are where it's at |
| 01:10.27 | limpo100 | rite i have no idea wat u said |
| 01:10.29 | spldart | Did you have some bzflag queries? |
| 01:10.39 | pacman87 | prefers gamma |
| 01:10.43 | limpo100 | who? me? |
| 01:10.47 | Lukstr | pacman87: beat me to the punch |
| 01:11.05 | spldart | Or are you just hangin with the bzflag'ers? |
| 01:11.20 | limpo100 | can you costomize ur acc? |
| 01:11.43 | JeffM2501 | limpo100, huh? please use real english words. |
| 01:12.09 | limpo100 | :2{ ) happy face guy!.... with a mustace!.... |
| 01:12.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah... |
| 01:12.31 | JeffM2501 | randomly trolling web IRCs? |
| 01:12.34 | brlcad | 2/names |
| 01:12.39 | limpo100 | :2{ 0''''' |
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| 01:13.00 | JeffM2501 | what other name? |
| 01:13.18 | drummaster1 | hye |
| 01:13.20 | drummaster1 | hey |
| 01:13.34 | drummaster1 | how do i lower my packetloss? |
| 01:13.41 | AHA | get a better connection |
| 01:13.47 | pacman87 | don't use wireless |
| 01:13.54 | drummaster1 | it maakes me drop any flag on any server |
| 01:14.10 | AHA | Are you on wireless? |
| 01:14.14 | JeffM2501 | drummaster1, we told you already |
| 01:14.26 | drummaster1 | yes. i dont have anything else |
| 01:14.35 | AHA | try to get closer to the router then |
| 01:14.39 | JeffM2501 | drummaster1, then that'd be about it |
| 01:14.44 | JeffM2501 | did you change channels? |
| 01:14.57 | drummaster1 | my mac is right next to it |
| 01:15.17 | JeffM2501 | drummaster1, then plug into it |
| 01:15.21 | JeffM2501 | so you arn't using wireless |
| 01:15.23 | JeffM2501 | just to test |
| 01:15.43 | spldart | I find that if I can maintain 24mbps on my wireless G I can keep good lagstats |
| 01:15.49 | limpo100 | the only kinda backup game i have just in case of boredom is runescape lol but after that i go outside to play |
| 01:15.56 | spldart | if it slows to a best of 5 then it's not worth playing |
| 01:16.20 | drummaster1 | is there any other way than changing to landline? |
| 01:16.39 | drummaster1 | cause thats really slow and the only other thing |
| 01:16.40 | JeffM2501 | drummaster1, you don't know untill you find out if it IS your wireless |
| 01:16.49 | spldart | better antannae |
| 01:16.51 | drummaster1 | it is |
| 01:16.52 | spldart | perhaps |
| 01:17.03 | JeffM2501 | drummaster1, the wiress you have, is it your local router? or some sort of community thing? |
| 01:17.05 | spldart | are you haveing packetloss? |
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| 01:17.12 | spldart | oops.. I'll quiet for a bit |
| 01:17.13 | drummaster1 | local |
| 01:17.30 | drummaster1 | and yes spldart i am |
| 01:17.33 | JeffM2501 | then pluging an ethernet line into the router will not be ANY slower then your wireless |
| 01:17.41 | JeffM2501 | it will only be faster |
| 01:18.01 | drummaster1 | its WAy SLOWER |
| 01:18.10 | drummaster1 | oh |
| 01:18.12 | JeffM2501 | drummaster1, it can't be |
| 01:18.13 | drummaster1 | wait |
| 01:18.17 | drummaster1 | 1 min |
| 01:18.36 | JeffM2501 | your wireless goes with your wired out to the internet |
| 01:19.13 | javawizard2539 | Basically, wireless is converted to wired before actually going to your ISP |
| 01:19.14 | drummaster1 | ok... i checked and internet connection is plugged into the router |
| 01:19.29 | JeffM2501 | drummaster1, yeah, that's how it works :) |
| 01:19.33 | JeffM2501 | plug your computer into the router |
| 01:19.37 | JeffM2501 | see if that clears up the issue |
| 01:19.55 | JeffM2501 | if so then try changing channels on the router, you probably get interferenace |
| 01:20.00 | JeffM2501 | also wireless just has packetloss |
| 01:20.03 | drummaster1 | ok |
| 01:20.06 | JeffM2501 | it's what it does |
| 01:20.14 | AHA | You also might want to get a better router |
| 01:20.17 | spldart | I'm curious as to his connect bitrate indicated @ the pc/laptop |
| 01:20.25 | spldart | just curious |
| 01:20.38 | drummaster1 | ok. i changed channels. ill try it. brb |
| 01:22.23 | drummaster1 | it seems to be fine. sorry for the trouble. im a noob at this stuff ;) |
| 01:22.27 | CBG | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/kenpatt/WoWScrnShot_041308_005411.jpg |
| 01:22.38 | drummaster1 | thx guys |
| 01:23.04 | drummaster1 | see ya in the battlefield! |
| 01:23.21 | Ride- | on xchat how do i view a log from a private messaging conversation |
| 01:23.42 | JeffM2501 | Ride-, did you tell your client to keep logs? |
| 01:24.16 | Ride- | yes |
| 01:24.38 | JeffM2501 | then there is a button the prefrences under logs that will open the logs folder |
| 01:24.42 | JeffM2501 | logs are just text files |
| 01:24.53 | Think_Differentl | Ride-, they should be in your xchat folder |
| 01:25.02 | Think_Differentl | if you can't access them the way jeff said |
| 01:25.46 | Ride- | found it |
| 01:27.31 | spldart | digs frantically for his laptop to desktop hdd adapter :-/ |
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| 01:41.05 | mib_ii64zq | map/server making: how do you make it impossible to kill teammates? |
| 01:41.33 | JeffM2501 | that's not an option untill 2.0 |
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| 01:41.36 | JeffM2501 | 3.0 sorry |
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| 02:05.07 | SLeEPiNG | ni hao ma |
| 02:05.28 | SLeEPiNG | uh oh somethings wrong with my name |
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| 02:51.09 | {JAH}7 | yo |
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| 02:58.31 | delusional | I'm looking at bzw.5.in ... a few lines after this "The .bzw file is a plain text file with a....." i see the word "transform" |
| 02:58.57 | delusional | is "transform" supposed to be there? i don't think so. |
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| 03:03.45 | AHA | doesn't think he will ever find out who is who: http://pics.bzleague.com/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=0 |
| 03:04.56 | Flash | well SportChick is easy, and she has her arm around mozul (or else mozul should be pissed) |
| 03:05.07 | JBdiGriz | You can always figure out who is in the hoodie. |
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| 03:30.59 | Grackle | Hi. I can map the semicolon key, but the setting does not stay. Is there anything that I can do about that? |
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| 03:33.49 | Grackle | BZFlag saves the setting to ~/.bzf/2.o/config.cfg, but upon reloading, the setting is ignored and the file is rewritten. |
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| 03:38.23 | delusional | try changing the "save settings" option to "no" |
| 03:38.50 | delusional | you can set your key mapping without opening config.cfg |
| 03:39.40 | delusional | ..but as long as your there, try making this change set showCoordinates 1 |
| 03:39.47 | L4m3r | JeffM: is the next run of hoodies going to use the same two types as before? |
| 03:40.09 | JeffM | L4m3r: if you want a 90/10 we can print one for ya ;) |
| 03:40.18 | JeffM | but yes that is the plan |
| 03:40.38 | L4m3r | I'll think about it :P |
| 03:42.50 | JeffM | got some time :) |
| 03:42.50 | delusional | I got my shirts yesterday.. it's a nice shade of grey. |
| 03:43.55 | JeffM | I'll price one out for you L4m3r so you can know what it'll run |
| 03:46.04 | JeffM | L4m3r: there is a pre-order for a front logo short tho |
| 03:46.08 | JeffM | it's actualy cheaper |
| 03:46.11 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 03:46.13 | L4m3r | saw that |
| 03:46.19 | AAA_awright | JeffM: No1522 Hammerhead. I figure in the future, we will have run out of cat names and will resort to fish. |
| 03:46.22 | L4m3r | might get one of each |
| 03:46.41 | JeffM | Hammerhead was used in a scifi show |
| 03:46.47 | JeffM | Space Above and Beyond |
| 03:46.56 | L4m3r | also, I found another Cheiftec 601 on the scrap heap today |
| 03:47.15 | L4m3r | this one had most of the system in it, minus one of the CPUs and drives |
| 03:47.33 | L4m3r | I think they have a cluster of these old dual socket A machines in the building somewhere :o |
| 03:50.10 | JeffM | L4m3r: it'll be like 32$ for that one tho |
| 03:50.12 | JeffM | they ain't cheap |
| 03:50.27 | JeffM | and that's with us cutting close to cost |
| 03:50.50 | L4m3r | damn |
| 03:51.03 | JeffM | yeah hanes aint' cheap |
| 03:51.24 | JeffM | I mean with no printing they are 28.70$ |
| 03:52.38 | L4m3r | I wish I knew what kind make my old Lost hoodie was |
| 03:53.00 | AAA_awright | JeffM: The Hyperdream! Corp® IonFisher⢠with QuietDrive® technology. idk. I thought Hammerhead, No1522 was pretty good. |
| 03:53.00 | L4m3r | that thing lasted for freaking years... through bike wipeouts and all |
| 03:53.06 | JeffM | where id you get it? |
| 03:53.11 | L4m3r | it was a gift |
| 03:53.23 | L4m3r | and all the branding says Lost :\ |
| 03:53.29 | JeffM | AAA_awright: the techicnal designation is VTA-107 |
| 03:54.09 | JeffM | L4m3r: probably a FOL, or gildan OEM job then |
| 03:54.22 | L4m3r | maybe |
| 03:54.24 | JeffM | or Hache en Mexico |
| 03:54.52 | L4m3r | but it's 80/20, so if it's a gildan it's one that logodogz doesn't have |
| 03:54.59 | L4m3r | (zipper) |
| 03:55.06 | JeffM | that would not suprise me :) |
| 03:55.18 | JeffM | they have a massive book of stuff that isn't online |
| 03:55.32 | L4m3r | heh |
| 03:56.08 | JeffM | I've asked them if I could order from that too |
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| 04:19.23 | AAA_awright | Oh, I remember why SVN sucks now. Tags are a copy of a directory into another directory. |
| 04:19.59 | JeffM | so? |
| 04:20.01 | AAA_awright | Alright, it doesn't "suck" |
| 04:20.30 | AAA_awright | But that really isn't a good thing in my pov, a tag must always have the same code, you shouldn't be able to commit over it... |
| 04:20.57 | JeffM | it becomes a branch then |
| 04:21.04 | JeffM | it's just a naming convention |
| 04:21.18 | JeffM | if you want a real tag you can lock it from changes |
| 04:21.27 | JeffM | basicly tag == branch |
| 04:21.52 | AAA_awright | I got around to realizing that when I actually needed to create a repo for MasterBot. It is looking quite capable, when it works properly. |
| 04:22.10 | JeffM | you just can't assume it works exactly like CVS |
| 05:10.04 | Grackle | Is there any way to specify the settings on random maps? Like, to turn up the speed perhaps? |
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| 05:10.27 | JeffM | Grackle: you can use /set |
| 05:10.30 | JeffM | to set the variables |
| 05:11.29 | Grackle | Can I set those variables in a config file? |
| 05:11.44 | JeffM | -set |
| 05:12.04 | Grackle | Ah, yup, just found it in the man page. Thanks! |
| 05:12.29 | Grackle | Oh, I see there is even a -vars flag to specify a variables file |
| 05:13.11 | JeffM | indeed |
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| 05:41.43 | mib_nkkyw6 | is reloadTime the same as how long a bullet lasts? |
| 05:42.58 | L4m3r | sometimes |
| 05:43.06 | L4m3r | it can be constrained by more than one var |
| 05:43.14 | mib_nkkyw6 | usually? e.g. on pillbox? |
| 05:43.38 | L4m3r | yeah, in most cases |
| 05:51.18 | blast007 | shotRange also comes into play |
| 05:52.29 | pacman87 | coogle's on brl.arpa.net:5156 |
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| 05:52.36 | pacman87 | advertising a cheat client |
| 05:53.15 | blast007 | meh, just banned them from my server a bit ago |
| 05:54.09 | javawizard2539 | blast007: http://trivergia.com/bzfi0020.png |
| 05:54.28 | javawizard2539 | It's the problem I was talking about |
| 05:54.43 | blast007 | ah, okay, I guess I did see that too |
| 05:54.56 | blast007 | I was probably forgetting to blink, so it was looking okay in-game |
| 05:55.08 | delusional | to understand _reloadTime set your server for one shot. then play with reloadtime..... add some L, MG, and F flags |
| 05:55.26 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 05:55.33 | blast007 | so yeah, that does look wrong to me |
| 05:56.03 | javawizard2539 | I'll try running the world on 2.99 and see if it still happens |
| 05:56.16 | blast007 | I have it running already on 2.99.x |
| 05:56.24 | javawizard2539 | Same problem? |
| 05:56.40 | blast007 | though I need to take out the public description about "this map is broken on 2.99.x", since that stuff is fixed now |
| 05:56.45 | blast007 | I haven't checked |
| 05:57.16 | javawizard2539 | What's the address? Nothing's showing up for me for the list server |
| 05:58.43 | pacman87 | i think coogle's back (as Colgeo) |
| 05:58.58 | blast007 | javawizard2539: yeah, it's bad there too |
| 05:59.08 | blast007 | javawizard2539: you have the latest code? |
| 05:59.14 | javawizard2539 | I'm updating right now |
| 05:59.28 | javawizard2539 | And judging from all of the updates svn's running, I don't have the latest code :) |
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| 06:08.18 | javawizard2539 | So what does the horizontal property of a teleporter object do? |
| 06:08.33 | blast007 | it was never completed |
| 06:08.53 | blast007 | it was going to make teleporters that were horizontal |
| 06:09.52 | delusional | nothing |
| 06:10.18 | delusional | ummm you can't have horizontal teleporters |
| 06:11.29 | mib_wlhtit | um we might need another admin at brl.arpa.net:5156 |
| 06:11.41 | delusional | If you meant the third number in size, eg. size 5 5 10, the third number is the height of the tele |
| 06:11.54 | mib_wlhtit | coogle keeps coming back |
| 06:12.47 | javawizard2539 | i meant the horizontal property |
| 06:12.51 | javawizard2539 | thanks |
| 06:14.56 | javawizard2539 | Random question, does bzflag create a nightly build anywhere? |
| 06:16.16 | delusional | actually, now that i think about it 5 5 10 is an invalid size for a teleporter...... you have to leave one of the first two numbers this size 0.1 .... there has to be a thin side, or you'll get incorrect operation. |
| 06:16.42 | delusional | no they do not do builds like that |
| 06:16.54 | delusional | you have to build yourself from cvs |
| 06:17.16 | javawizard2539 | They should |
| 06:17.32 | javawizard2539 | and actually they switched to svn |
| 06:18.12 | javawizard2539 | Devs: The above was not intended as a suggestion for consideration right now, merely as something that would be cool |
| 06:18.18 | javawizard2539 | I don't want that to come against me |
| 06:18.52 | delusional | it's not a big enough project, and it's cross-platform. |
| 06:20.14 | mib_wlhtit | mapmaking: if i have a shootthrough building, does that mmean i CAN"T get death physics on it? |
| 06:20.42 | delusional | yes |
| 06:20.57 | mib_wlhtit | :( |
| 06:21.56 | delusional | wait.. it's too late for me to concentrate... shootthrough should not affect physics it's DRIVETHROUGH that will |
| 06:22.10 | delusional | and try passable if you want both |
| 06:22.39 | mib_wlhtit | what's passable? |
| 06:22.52 | delusional | shootthrough + drivethrough |
| 06:23.24 | mib_wlhtit | that's pretty much for decoration then? |
| 06:25.06 | delusional | it still serves some purpose |
| 06:26.23 | delusional | .if you want decoration, use the decorative property, it stops drawinfo from displaying on pre-2.0.4 clients. |
| 06:26.36 | blast007 | javawizard2539: one of the devs does run an SVN trunk server that builds itself nightly, but that's as far as any "nightly build" goes |
| 06:27.42 | delusional | death physics only applies to the top of the building, not the sides |
| 06:27.43 | blast007 | delusional: I doubt he's using drawinfo |
| 06:27.52 | delusional | and other physics, too |
| 06:48.38 | Grackle | How do I make my server start a new game after one ends? |
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| 06:51.37 | mib_wlhtit | did you use -g |
| 06:52.20 | Grackle | Is that the only way to do it (with -g and some scripting)? No on-the-fly map loading that keeps users connected? |
| 06:52.43 | mib_wlhtit | lol actually -g makes it only 1 game |
| 06:53.00 | mib_wlhtit | so if u used it, take it out ;) |
| 06:53.35 | Grackle | Oh, I see what you mean. I have a time limit and a score limit. Once the game is over, users have to connect again to continue playing. |
| 06:53.38 | Grackle | I guess that's normal. |
| 06:54.12 | mib_wlhtit | yes |
| 06:54.49 | Grackle | Okay, that works. I was thinking that was worse than it really is. |
| 06:55.49 | Flash | FWIW to whomever updated MessageUtilities.cxx |
| 06:55.51 | Flash | MessageUtilities.cxx:60: warning: ISO C++ does not support the ?j? scanf length modifier |
| 07:05.07 | delusional | grackle.. loading new maps without kicking players is a feature that is planned for version3, |
| 07:05.44 | Grackle | Cool, cool. Is there a version 3 roadmap somewhere? |
| 07:05.45 | delusional | the mapchange plugin might interest you. |
| 07:05.49 | Constitution | catay: Flash's issue appears to be caused by your commit #16987 |
| 07:08.33 | L4m3r | delusional, do not utter the P word. it is forbidden. |
| 07:08.48 | delusional | grackle, have you seen the wiki? http://my.bzflag.org/w/Category:Development |
| 07:09.02 | L4m3r | ~plan |
| 07:09.03 | ibot | plans are for sissies |
| 07:09.41 | eTangenT` | amen to that |
| 07:12.55 | Grackle | delusional: Yeah, I'm reading all over the forum and wiki. I haven't taken a look at the development category yet.. Thanks for the link. *reads* |
| 07:14.02 | delusional | there was some talk of creating an "official" plan... don't know if anything came of it.... I think they said it would be posted at sourceforge. |
| 07:15.10 | Grackle | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=353248&group_id=3248&func=browse Oh, I guess this would be a good place to look. |
| 07:16.20 | delusional | well, that's the bug tracker, not wat you wanted, i think |
| 07:16.40 | Grackle | That's the feature request page. |
| 07:17.22 | Grackle | It's somewhat informative. Shows feature requests with assigned priorities. |
| 07:18.32 | delusional | 80 to 90 percent of those have zero chance of becoming reality |
| 07:18.40 | Grackle | haha :/ |
| 07:18.49 | Grackle | well |
| 07:18.55 | Grackle | Not so much ":/" |
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| 07:41.28 | javawizard2539 | So I'm gettin an http 500 when accessing the SF feature request page |
| 07:41.33 | javawizard2539 | Anyone having a similar problem? |
| 07:41.46 | javawizard2539 | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=3248&atid=353248 |
| 07:42.54 | javawizard2539 | nvm, it's back up |
| 07:43.34 | Manu | javawizard2539: patience is a virtue ;) |
| 07:43.52 | javawizard2539 | I've heard that about 20 times today |
| 07:43.54 | javawizard2539 | :P |
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| 07:59.10 | Manu | javawizard2539: then apply it to yourself ;) |
| 07:59.46 | javawizard2539 | Manu: I know, I know, I'm way too implusive, it's something I need to work on |
| 08:00.02 | Manu | :) |
| 08:00.21 | Manu | and SF is to be patient :) |
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| 15:17.40 | Kibiz0r_ | So, anyone wanna help me with my GSoC proposal? |
| 15:18.22 | Kibiz0r_ | I wanna do the game logic refactoring one, but I don't have time to read all the code right now and I cannot find an API reference. |
| 15:18.46 | Kibiz0r_ | It'd at least be helpful to know what areas are the most fucked-up. |
| 15:19.10 | Wyk3d1 | if you haven't submitted a proposal already then maybe next year .. the deadline has passed |
| 15:19.21 | Kibiz0r_ | I have, but it was rather abstract. |
| 15:19.29 | Kibiz0r_ | They requested it be more clear. |
| 15:19.41 | Manu | Kibiz0r_: don't you think it's too late? |
| 15:20.04 | Kibiz0r_ | The site says they had to be picked by Friday. :-\ |
| 15:20.34 | Manu | Kibiz0r_: have your read the commends? at your proposal page |
| 15:20.40 | Manu | comments* |
| 15:20.41 | Kibiz0r_ | Yes. |
| 15:22.36 | Kibiz0r_ | Kinda sucks, cuz I was expecting I wouldn't have to have a concrete plan already when I first looked at the GSoC timeline. |
| 15:22.56 | Kibiz0r_ | Cuz it says from April 21 to May 26 is Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
| 15:23.34 | Manu | Kibiz0r_: April 21.. the accepted applications... |
| 15:23.58 | Manu | we have been evaluating the applications the latest days |
| 15:24.10 | Manu | and we continue but the work is almost done |
| 15:24.23 | Kibiz0r_ | So, no dice eh? |
| 15:24.41 | Manu | it's really difficult, but I'll talk to the other mentors about your interest |
| 15:25.08 | Kibiz0r_ | Well, I understand your predicament. |
| 15:25.35 | Kibiz0r_ | I didn't intentionally wait this long, though, just final project craziness going on right now. |
| 15:25.50 | Kibiz0r_ | Sorry to transfer the burden to you guys. |
| 15:25.58 | Manu | np |
| 15:27.20 | Kibiz0r_ | So, what shall I do in the meantime? |
| 15:28.48 | Manu | as I said, the work is almost done. |
| 15:29.05 | Manu | you can wait for a response but it's difficult your application will be accepted |
| 15:29.38 | JBdiGriz | Did you read our application guidelines and requirements? http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code |
| 15:30.14 | Kibiz0r_ | Yeah, I know I'm a little lacking in deliverables. :-\ |
| 15:31.02 | JBdiGriz | So now you need to convince the mentors that you won't be lacking in deliverables during the program. |
| 15:31.30 | Kibiz0r_ | Well, I won't have 5 final projects to work on during the summer. :P |
| 15:32.26 | JBdiGriz | If you were a mentor, does that sound convincing to you? |
| 15:32.33 | joevano | any you are going to have to convince us quickly... because our final choices need to be decided by Friday 7:00 AM PST |
| 15:32.52 | Kibiz0r_ | Well, how about what I've been working on for the past week then? |
| 15:32.59 | Kibiz0r_ | It's C#, but it's a game. |
| 15:33.13 | Kibiz0r_ | So you can at least see what I can get done in the course of a week. |
| 15:33.14 | JBdiGriz | How does it mesh with the application requirements that we posted? |
| 15:33.25 | Manu | Kibiz0r_: c# is not c++ |
| 15:33.46 | Kibiz0r_ | Then how about my entry for SpeedHack? |
| 15:33.52 | Kibiz0r_ | It's C++, though incredibly hackish. |
| 15:34.06 | Kibiz0r_ | 72-hour competition, etc. |
| 15:34.11 | Manu | Kibiz0r_: other students have submitted a patch |
| 15:34.20 | Kibiz0r_ | I can do that, too. |
| 15:35.52 | Kibiz0r_ | I am competent, I'm just really busy right now. That'll change after the 9th, though. |
| 15:37.08 | JBdiGriz | The requirements have been there for a while, and they are not extremely time consuming. I would suggest reading through them, and determining if you can meet the requirements in time for the mentors to evaluate your proposal. |
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| 15:39.31 | Kibiz0r_ | Well, there is one time-consuming one, which is documenting the new design, since it necessarily involves reading a lot of code, which is where the hangup has been. |
| 15:39.50 | Manu | bugQ: hi |
| 15:39.55 | bugQ | hello... |
| 15:40.17 | Kibiz0r_ | Which is sorta why I came here in the first place. |
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| 15:40.27 | bugQ | I'm sorry for not being more responsive. I am very busy with classes. |
| 15:40.52 | Manu | bugQ: I emailed you and got no response :( |
| 15:41.32 | bugQ | yes, I saw it just now. |
| 15:41.44 | Manu | bugQ: dunno if it's too late |
| 15:42.47 | Manu | we wanted to talk you about your application |
| 15:42.48 | bugQ | I would like to as well. |
| 15:42.48 | JBdiGriz | Kibiz0r_: Talking to people in IRC will help you put together the design. In the meantime, you should bring the rest of your application up to a level where it can be evaluated fairly with everyone elses. |
| 15:43.30 | Kibiz0r_ | Other than the design, the only thing lacking is a patch. |
| 15:43.49 | bugQ | I don't have any other excuse other than I've been extremely busy. |
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| 15:45.43 | bugQ | I will try to find time to write a patch very soon, probably this weekend. |
| 15:45.55 | Manu | bugQ: this weeked probably is too late |
| 15:46.02 | bugQ | hm. |
| 15:46.44 | Manu | our final choice need to be decided next Friday 7:00 AM PST |
| 15:47.01 | Wyk3d1 | http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_timeline |
| 15:47.20 | bugQ | yes, ok. maybe tonight, then. |
| 15:47.52 | Manu | bugQ: hurry up |
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| 15:49.50 | Dont | hi |
| 15:50.13 | Dont | how can persons be a admin? |
| 15:50.45 | JBdiGriz | Run your own server. |
| 15:51.08 | bugQ | it's amazing how badly my gsoc schedule and my semester overlap...:/ |
| 15:51.18 | bugQ | *the gsoc schedule |
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| 15:52.30 | Kibiz0r_ | bugQ: You're not alone. :-\ |
| 15:52.52 | joevano | Dont: the first rule is usually "don't ask" |
| 15:53.00 | Dont | can you see my , when im on it? |
| 15:53.21 | Manu | Dont: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Creating_A_Server |
| 15:53.25 | joevano | Dont: nope |
| 15:53.45 | joevano | Dont: server owners invite people they would like to have as admins |
| 15:54.15 | joevano | Dont: usually the best course of action is just to be nice, friendly and helpfull and one day you may be noticed |
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| 15:55.12 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16988 10/trunk/bzwgen/src/bzwgen.cxx: don't leak memory, get rid of reinterpret_casts. rescope streams locally, keep output around in a std::string until finalize since we have to generate one implicitly anyway. |
| 15:57.13 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r914 10/trunk/ (12 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:57.13 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Remove a lot of code duplication caused by the char/wchar_t overloading |
| 15:57.13 | CIA-32 | FTGL: thanks to templates. No API change here. |
| 15:58.01 | Dont | creatig a server |
| 15:58.16 | Dont | can i host with my own IP? |
| 15:58.49 | Dont | hello!!! |
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| 15:59.20 | Dont | hello? |
| 15:59.22 | bugQ | http://www.displaymyhostname.com/ |
| 15:59.22 | pacman87 | Dont: yes, you probably need to set up port forwarding |
| 15:59.33 | Manu | Dont: all the info is there |
| 15:59.51 | Dont | pacman : you server is great and you bot too |
| 16:01.12 | Dont | what is the @ on name? |
| 16:01.29 | Manu | Dont: one ear ;) |
| 16:01.55 | pacman87 | @ = admin |
| 16:02.16 | Manu | in bzflag it means that user has extra power, admin, cop.. |
| 16:03.23 | Manu | Dont: here it means the user has the operator status |
| 16:03.28 | bugQ | Oh, about git/svn... |
| 16:03.38 | Manu | bugQ: we use svn |
| 16:04.10 | bugQ | I know, I use it to check out other projects as well. |
| 16:04.35 | bugQ | I was planning on using git internally to help me streamline my own development process. |
| 16:04.46 | bugQ | I probably didn't need to mention it at all. |
| 16:04.52 | Manu | :) |
| 16:05.32 | bugQ | it's just because it makes things like branching and merging so easy and cheap. |
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| 16:06.41 | bugQ | e.g. I might be working on more than one feature at once, so I don't want to screw one up while I work on the other. |
| 16:07.40 | bugQ | but yes, I'll do patches against the SVN tree. |
| 16:07.51 | bugQ | should I just take that bit out from my app? |
| 16:08.54 | Manu | bugQ: SF uses cvs and svn |
| 16:08.54 | bugQ | or phrase it better... |
| 16:09.12 | Manu | we switched from cvs to svn |
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| 16:09.35 | bugQ | yeah, I have no problem with that |
| 16:09.39 | joevano | bugQ: there are a few devs (ok, at least one) that use git and have a git <-> svn connector and it works well (i think) |
| 16:10.15 | joevano | but in the end we use SVN |
| 16:12.38 | joevano | isn't there a server command that will reload all of the server variables back to what they were when the server restarted |
| 16:13.36 | bugQ | what's the gsoc_irc branch? |
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| 16:15.22 | bugQ | i.e. of the SVN tree |
| 16:17.08 | joevano | bugQ: look here http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/ and the SVN page of the wiki, you should be able to figure it out |
| 16:18.11 | joevano | oh, or were you not looking for it but asking what it is about |
| 16:18.16 | bugQ | right. |
| 16:18.37 | joevano | one of last years gsoc projects for integrated server chat |
| 16:18.43 | joevano | between servers |
| 16:18.51 | bugQ | ah, ok. neat. |
| 16:22.09 | JeffM | changed the name I see joevano ;) |
| 16:23.16 | JeffM | needs to find saturos to get some logo variants, he has found some very intersting info from yon shirt printer |
| 16:24.43 | catay | hi |
| 16:24.50 | catay | brlcad: thanks :) |
| 16:25.12 | catay | Flash: ooh, what OS do you build on ? |
| 16:25.53 | catay | Flash: i'll put it back to %lld then ,but didn't build on mine then with debug enabled |
| 16:25.59 | brlcad | catay: hm? |
| 16:26.41 | catay | 00:33:50 <@brlcad> catay: congratulations :) |
| 16:26.47 | brlcad | ah, heh |
| 16:26.54 | catay | i'm laggy :) |
| 16:27.13 | brlcad | just a bit :) |
| 16:27.55 | Dont | im still here |
| 16:28.09 | bugQ | so am I! |
| 16:28.10 | Dont | how can persons be an admin? |
| 16:28.25 | bugQ | if the owner likes you. |
| 16:28.38 | blast007 | Dont: by paying me lots of money |
| 16:28.39 | Dont | :-) |
| 16:28.50 | Dont | :-( |
| 16:29.04 | blast007 | being an admin isn't anything great, you now |
| 16:29.08 | blast007 | know* |
| 16:29.21 | Dont | http://www.displaymyhostname.com/ |
| 16:29.27 | Dont | go on it |
| 16:29.44 | blast007 | you spend most of your time banning cheaters, listening to people whine about your server, and reviewing logs/replays |
| 16:29.49 | catay | Flash: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/987537 |
| 16:29.51 | Dont | my name is Dont kill my im a beginer |
| 16:30.22 | blast007 | Dont: you do realize your name is spelled wrong, right? |
| 16:30.39 | Dont | this is short |
| 16:30.45 | catay | Flash: any idea what the format for intmax_t would be that works for all platforms ? |
| 16:30.45 | blast007 | no, I mean the full one |
| 16:31.10 | blast007 | it should be "Don't kill me I'm a beginner" |
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| 16:32.33 | blast007 | Dont: anyway, I don't think you have the technical knowhow to even consider running a server. It's not trivial, and we're not here to teach you the basics of computers and networking. |
| 16:32.52 | Dont | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.53 | blast007 | we already have more servers than players |
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| 16:33.13 | Dont | im on the way to host |
| 16:33.26 | blast007 | do you know what a static IP is? |
| 16:34.24 | Dont | yes my IP is : i doooont want to say you that! |
| 16:34.52 | blast007 | what? |
| 16:34.58 | blast007 | you didn't answer my question |
| 16:35.07 | Dont | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.13 | blast007 | that was a joke |
| 16:35.18 | Dont | yes , i know |
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| 16:37.04 | Dont | hello? |
| 16:37.35 | JeffM | wow |
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| 16:37.48 | bz62 | hello |
| 16:38.02 | Manu | wow II |
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| 16:38.35 | JeffM | hello |
| 16:38.36 | blast007 | bz62: you should really get a real IRC client with logging. it's not really worth my time to explain much to you, considering when you close the client or have a network glitch... like that... then I'll have to re-explain everything |
| 16:39.38 | JeffM | bz62, to answere your question, in a serious manner. Owners pick admins, admins don't pick owners. If you are a owner, you are your own admin. Otherwise it is up to each owner. |
| 16:39.48 | bz62 | hello? |
| 16:39.54 | bz62 | oh |
| 16:40.07 | blast007 | bz62: please install something like X-Chat and use that instead |
| 16:40.14 | JeffM | so if there is a server you are involved with, alearn more about it's owner and see what they need |
| 16:40.32 | JeffM | but just asking "can I be admin" automaticly means 'no' to most people |
| 16:40.49 | joevano | bz62: Changing callsigns and asking the same questions does not get you different answers |
| 16:41.00 | joevano | bz62: we already covered this with you |
| 16:41.06 | JeffM | bz62, how old are you? |
| 16:41.41 | joevano | bz62: or should we call you Dont? |
| 16:41.55 | JeffM | I"m guessing he's "Dont shoot me I'm a noob" |
| 16:42.06 | JeffM | but spaces are NFG on IRC |
| 16:42.07 | blast007 | joevano: it was obvious it was still him ;) he had a network glitch |
| 16:42.11 | bz62 | hey! |
| 16:42.17 | blast007 | same hex IP |
| 16:42.20 | bugQ_ | oh that's who this is. I was gone while he changed has handle. |
| 16:42.32 | bz62 | my name is "Dont kill my im a beginer" |
| 16:42.40 | JeffM | bz62, ok, whatever |
| 16:42.43 | joevano | but my point still stands "asking the same questions and expecting different results" |
| 16:42.44 | JeffM | I didn't remember the exact name |
| 16:42.48 | JeffM | bz62, how old are you? |
| 16:43.31 | bz62 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.44 | JeffM | bz62, no |
| 16:43.50 | blast007 | ..... |
| 16:44.18 | bugQ | ok then. |
| 16:44.32 | JeffM | indeed |
| 16:44.36 | blast007 | they always use "my" instead of "me" |
| 16:44.51 | bugQ | who are 'they'? |
| 16:45.04 | JeffM | children |
| 16:45.09 | JeffM | bets 14 |
| 16:45.13 | blast007 | they said "dont kill my" on my server, and someone said "only if you use 'me' instead of 'my'" |
| 16:45.34 | bugQ | heh. |
| 16:45.41 | L4m3r | understood the difference between 'me' and 'my' much younger than 14 |
| 16:45.45 | JeffM | home school children with unatentive parents |
| 16:45.55 | JeffM | L4m3r, but I'm guessing you were educated ;) |
| 16:46.01 | L4m3r | true |
| 16:46.03 | L4m3r | but still |
| 16:46.12 | JeffM | indeed |
| 16:46.18 | JeffM | it coudl be 12 |
| 16:46.37 | L4m3r | I mean, I would think that most kids learn that before they even enter school |
| 16:47.35 | JeffM | L4m3r, you'd think that ;) |
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| 16:48.09 | bugQ | I was home-schooled, but not like most think. |
| 16:48.34 | L4m3r | some parents do it right |
| 16:48.48 | JeffM | bugQ, yeah there are ways to do it right |
| 16:48.54 | JeffM | but there are also ways to do it wrong |
| 16:48.59 | L4m3r | but many also do ir wrong, resulting in under-educated, unsocialized children |
| 16:49.09 | bugQ | it usually depends on what reasons the parents had |
| 16:49.16 | JeffM | indeed |
| 16:49.31 | JeffM | and how much time and effort they put into it |
| 16:49.35 | bugQ | it's even funnier because I grew up in Provo, UT |
| 16:50.01 | L4m3r | My gf was homeschooled, but her mother is a teacher, and she went to community college to prepare for college |
| 16:50.19 | L4m3r | her GPA is at least a point above mine :P |
| 16:50.53 | JeffM | a lot of the kids that come on here asking these questions I fear are ones where parents just leave them home and say "read the book, and fill out this test" |
| 16:50.59 | JeffM | 0 social skills |
| 16:51.31 | bugQ | right, but I still wonder why so many confuse me/my. i've seen it elsewhere, too |
| 16:51.45 | JeffM | probably the way the parents speak |
| 16:52.06 | bugQ | hm, an accent? |
| 16:52.07 | JeffM | if that's all you've ever heard... |
| 16:52.14 | JeffM | that'd be my guess |
| 16:52.19 | JeffM | or me guess |
| 16:52.20 | JeffM | ;) |
| 16:52.24 | bugQ | mmkay. |
| 16:52.49 | JeffM | thinks we have just come up with a thesis idea for some linguistics students :) |
| 16:53.51 | bugQ | heh, I come up with possible thesis ideas on a monthly basis or so, but they're all useless for what I'm studying |
| 16:54.00 | JeffM | heh |
| 16:54.11 | JeffM | ok.... so.. polo shirts and hats.... who wants em? |
| 16:54.29 | bugQ | you're giving away swag? I'll take some. |
| 16:54.50 | JeffM | sadly not giving away |
| 16:54.54 | JeffM | printing for purchase |
| 16:54.56 | JeffM | :) |
| 16:55.09 | JeffM | donny_baker, you were intersted in a polo right? |
| 16:55.27 | JeffM | seems I can have stuff embroidered with no min. |
| 16:55.42 | JeffM | as long as I tack it onto my shirt order |
| 16:56.28 | donny_baker | JeffM: yes |
| 16:56.41 | donny_baker | what would be the cost? |
| 16:56.54 | JeffM | depends on the quality of the shirt |
| 16:56.59 | JeffM | cheapest would be like 18 |
| 16:57.06 | JeffM | most expensive, 50$ |
| 16:57.18 | JeffM | I'll go thru the book today |
| 16:57.24 | L4m3r | heh, my work polos are Gildan, and they're cut kinda weird |
| 16:57.41 | JeffM | I haven't even seen a gildan polo in this book |
| 16:57.48 | JeffM | they have WAY More brands in the book |
| 16:57.49 | L4m3r | wow, really? :o |
| 16:57.51 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:58.07 | JeffM | the book is like 450 pags |
| 16:58.10 | JeffM | pages |
| 16:58.28 | JeffM | all kinds of stuff |
| 16:58.31 | JeffM | backpacks... everything |
| 16:59.02 | JeffM | BZFlag custom leather jacket? |
| 16:59.04 | JeffM | anyone? |
| 16:59.06 | JeffM | anyone? |
| 16:59.33 | blast007 | heh.. |
| 16:59.51 | JeffM | donny_baker, we can also do a button down regular dress shirt |
| 17:00.17 | JeffM | I'm going to get a thin horizontal logo from saturos to see what we can do |
| 17:00.29 | donny_baker | yeah, i never wear those unless I got to wear my suit... and that probably wouldn't go with it :P |
| 17:00.37 | JeffM | ok |
| 17:00.47 | bugQ | get a pink one! |
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| 17:02.14 | JeffM | whoa.... 10XL...... |
| 17:02.30 | bugQ | that's disgusting. |
| 17:03.31 | JeffM | looks like yeah a port authority polo would be like 18$ |
| 17:03.40 | JeffM | donny_baker, pocket or no pocket |
| 17:04.11 | donny_baker | no pocket |
| 17:05.09 | JeffM | then yeah |
| 17:05.17 | JeffM | 18ish is my estimate |
| 17:11.30 | JeffM | hmmm.. may be able to do a hat for 15$ too |
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| 17:15.44 | bugQ | noo! |
| 17:15.46 | bugQ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.58 | bugQ | what's invalid about that? |
| 17:16.43 | JeffM | you hav a mac don't you? |
| 17:16.48 | bugQ | ..yes. |
| 17:17.01 | JeffM | you get to talk to brlcad |
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| 17:17.08 | bugQ | whee! |
| 17:17.17 | JeffM | or just take out the ... :) |
| 17:17.28 | JeffM | Apple did wierdness |
| 17:17.28 | JBdiGriz | bugQ: Where are you getting that error? |
| 17:17.32 | JeffM | or talk to him |
| 17:17.39 | bugQ | FTVectoriser.cpp |
| 17:17.39 | JeffM | yeah JBdiGriz uses those things too :) |
| 17:17.42 | JBdiGriz | I think I fixed it |
| 17:17.48 | JeffM | I thought you did too |
| 17:18.15 | bugQ | Is it just a g++ oddity in the version that comes with Darwin? |
| 17:18.48 | bugQ | because I can get a new version of it quite easily. |
| 17:19.06 | JeffM | what version of OSX do you have? |
| 17:19.16 | JBdiGriz | yes, if you look at the beginning of that file, there is an assumption of the gcc version |
| 17:19.17 | bugQ | 10.4.11 |
| 17:19.33 | JBdiGriz | I switched it to the latest gcc available in Xcode. |
| 17:19.35 | JeffM | what version of xcode do you have? |
| 17:19.52 | bugQ | I'm building from the cmdln. |
| 17:19.56 | JBdiGriz | is guessing 2.5 |
| 17:19.59 | JeffM | it still uses the GCC that comes with xcode |
| 17:20.12 | JBdiGriz | Which version of the Apple Developer Tools did you install? |
| 17:20.31 | bugQ | right, it's 2.5 |
| 17:20.32 | JBdiGriz | Of course, 2.5 has an issue with autogen, so it might be 3.0 or later. |
| 17:20.44 | JeffM | I'd get the current one |
| 17:20.45 | JBdiGriz | Were you able to autogen? |
| 17:20.55 | bugQ | yes, I have the libtool from macports |
| 17:21.12 | JBdiGriz | JeffM: The current one is 2.5, but there is an assumption that you have also installed 3.0 which is Leopard only |
| 17:21.29 | bugQ | I just need leopard. guh. |
| 17:21.32 | JBdiGriz | That's why you didn't hit the autogen issue. |
| 17:21.37 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:21.39 | JeffM | that sucks |
| 17:21.40 | JBdiGriz | I'm using Tiger and 2.4. |
| 17:21.48 | JeffM | install windows ;) |
| 17:21.48 | bugQ | I've been needing leopard for months. |
| 17:22.06 | bugQ | no thanks. I'd rather do it in a linux VM. |
| 17:22.15 | JBdiGriz | So have I, but I need to update my machines first. 7 year old machines don't cut it. |
| 17:22.33 | JeffM | bugQ, or just take out the ... ;) |
| 17:22.36 | JeffM | I bleive that fixes it |
| 17:22.47 | bugQ | well ok then. |
| 17:22.57 | JBdiGriz | For a quick fix to the problem, go to line 9 of FTVectoriser.cpp and change the version number to what you have. |
| 17:23.25 | JBdiGriz | To get your version number "gcc -version" |
| 17:23.43 | JBdiGriz | It will be in the first line right after the string build |
| 17:24.10 | bugQ | oh, are you serious? that's silly. why doesn't it check the version from the macros it sets? |
| 17:24.20 | bugQ | __GNUC__ et al |
| 17:24.42 | JeffM | make that part of your patch :) |
| 17:24.45 | bugQ | it reports 4.0.1 |
| 17:24.56 | JBdiGriz | It does check the version from the macros. The problem is that I was using 2.4 when I was setting the version number. |
| 17:24.59 | JeffM | brlcad can even get it into FTGL |
| 17:25.30 | JBdiGriz | Keep going in the report, it should say something like (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5367) |
| 17:25.39 | bugQ | 5370 |
| 17:26.00 | JBdiGriz | Change the 5367 in FTVectoriser.cpp to 5370 |
| 17:26.28 | blast007 | if I'm applying someone's patch from the Patch tracker, do I add them to NEWS? or is that only for user-visible changes? (this is converting the Downloads class to a singleton) |
| 17:26.48 | JeffM | blast007, also to authors if they are new |
| 17:26.58 | bugQ | oh I see. Apple's version doesn't have a macro for that number, does it? |
| 17:27.18 | blast007 | JeffM: so is that a "yes, add them to NEWS" ? |
| 17:27.27 | JeffM | blast007, I bleive so |
| 17:27.45 | JeffM | tho I am lazy and gernaly only do that if it's a biggie |
| 17:27.55 | JBdiGriz | bugQ: The Macro is __APPLE_CC__, and it's used at the beginning of that file. |
| 17:28.21 | blast007 | I could build it in with "Fix -configdir" stuff that I did, since it was part that helped me out |
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| 17:33.50 | bugQ | ok, I see it. it would be nice to have a range of build numbers, huh? |
| 17:34.43 | JBdiGriz | Yes. I haven't tried it in 3.0, but there is an assumption that it behaves the same way as the rest of the world. |
| 17:35.04 | JBdiGriz | If it doesn't work in 3.0, then I'm tempted to just take out that check. |
| 17:35.27 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16989 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (CacheMenu.cxx Downloads.cxx Downloads.h playing.cxx): |
| 17:35.27 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: Accept patch #1942490 from catay: cleanup of Downloads.cxx Download.h |
| 17:35.27 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: Downloads class is now a singleton |
| 17:36.18 | bugQ | I guess I found what I'm going to patch, huh? |
| 17:38.03 | JBdiGriz | I would make a slightly larger patch than just changing the version number. :) |
| 17:38.34 | JBdiGriz | Although, including that is certainly useful! |
| 17:38.39 | bugQ | well, yeah. I'm going to try to find when the problem started and ended. |
| 17:38.46 | bugQ | then change it to a range check |
| 17:39.50 | bugQ | so that we won't have to worry about it every again. |
| 17:39.55 | bugQ | *ever |
| 17:41.35 | Erroneous | observes in blast007's general direction that catay can accept his own patches now |
| 17:42.24 | blast007 | Erroneous: I know |
| 17:42.32 | blast007 | and I asked if he wanted to ;) |
| 17:42.55 | blast007 | does the NEWS lines have to be within 80 characters? |
| 17:43.01 | catay | and i answered, go ahead, if it breaks , it's your fault :P |
| 17:43.11 | blast007 | and does that include the line break at the end? |
| 17:44.58 | JBdiGriz | Just put a c in the 5th column for a continuation line. ;) |
| 17:45.21 | Erroneous | hehe, ok then |
| 17:45.46 | Erroneous | news lines do have to fit within 80 characters, blast007 |
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| 17:45.57 | JBdiGriz | All hail Herman Hollerith |
| 17:46.01 | Erroneous | but they should describe only the user-visible changes |
| 17:46.04 | blast007 | Erroneous: including the line break? |
| 17:46.22 | blast007 | or does that not count one of the 80 characters? |
| 17:46.26 | Erroneous | heh...cutting a little close, huh? |
| 17:46.27 | blast007 | as one* |
| 17:46.38 | blast007 | well, some of them have characters all the way to 80 |
| 17:46.39 | Erroneous | I believe it is included |
| 17:46.41 | blast007 | and one is at 81 |
| 17:46.43 | Erroneous | but not sure |
| 17:46.45 | Erroneous | ah |
| 17:47.48 | bugQ | 79 chars without line break is common, IMX. |
| 17:49.57 | blast007 | we have one way back in 1.7e1 that was 80 characters + the line break ;) |
| 17:50.30 | bugQ | has class. |
| 17:54.57 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03catay * r16990 10/trunk/bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a typo , recipent should be recipient. |
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| 17:56.02 | Erroneous | ~catay++ |
| 17:56.22 | whodaman- | :) |
| 17:56.39 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16991 10/trunk/bzflag/NEWS: Add a note that -configdir on the client has been fixed. |
| 17:56.41 | JeffM | so serioyusly, noone wants a bzflag hat? |
| 17:56.50 | JeffM | what is wrong with you people? ;) |
| 17:58.57 | blast007 | we need BZFlag toilet paper with tank tread marks on the edges |
| 17:59.15 | JeffM | well, Erroneous has the catalog, he can check :) |
| 17:59.23 | blast007 | heh.. |
| 17:59.52 | JeffM | bzflag bright orange hunting cap?... anyone? |
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| 19:21.40 | donny_baker | JeffM: i would buy a bzflag knit cap for the winter... but there would be limited demand for those i think |
| 19:22.04 | donny_baker | from a regional standpoint and from a balding player standpoint ;) |
| 19:22.15 | shedelj | still wants a bzflag tie |
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| 19:27.32 | Lukstr | is finished exams! |
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| 19:47.34 | bugQ | OK, I've seen a few other examples of problems with that GLVoid (*)(...) sillyness, and I don't think it works on Leopard either. |
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| 19:52.47 | bugQ | ...so I have my patch. whee! |
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| 19:52.55 | a_meteorite | That does...? |
| 19:53.54 | bugQ | http://rafb.net/p/3wr4B019.html |
| 19:55.18 | Manu | bugQ: is that your patch? :) |
| 19:55.21 | bugQ | yup. |
| 19:55.58 | bugQ | nothing much, but it should fix the build issue with any version of Apple's screwy gcc. |
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| 19:56.57 | bugQ | this hasn't come up in the bug tracker, so shall I open one and provide the patch there? |
| 19:57.42 | brlcad | bugQ: that's not a good patch |
| 19:57.46 | brlcad | it breaks other macs |
| 19:57.52 | bugQ | which ones? |
| 19:57.53 | brlcad | there's a reason that == is in there |
| 19:58.00 | brlcad | you think it's just fluff? :) |
| 19:58.17 | brlcad | it probably needs to be > some smaller value instead of == but it can't just be removed |
| 19:58.19 | a_meteorite | spldart: ping |
| 19:58.23 | brlcad | else you break the build for others |
| 19:58.35 | spldart | pong |
| 19:58.39 | bugQ | Do you know which version of XCode introduced the problem? |
| 19:59.05 | bugQ | I wasn't able to find anything about that. |
| 19:59.08 | brlcad | if that was known, don't you think it'd be >= that version? |
| 19:59.22 | bugQ | muh. |
| 19:59.39 | spldart | a_meteorite: I was gonna contact you about that package I was gonna send you but now is a bad time. Catch me this evening. |
| 19:59.41 | brlcad | and it's not xcode |
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| 19:59.57 | brlcad | it's versions of the opengl headers |
| 19:59.59 | spldart | 2 to 4 hours from now prolly |
| 19:59.59 | a_meteorite | K |
| 20:00.07 | a_meteorite | I'll be at school |
| 20:00.14 | a_meteorite | But I'll be on later tonight and tomorrow night |
| 20:00.18 | spldart | ok |
| 20:01.39 | bugQ | oh crud, I was reading the error backward. |
| 20:02.19 | bugQ | the conversion was 'GLvoid (*)()' to 'GLvoid (*)(...)', which _is_ invalid. |
| 20:02.42 | bugQ | the opposite should be possible, though. |
| 20:04.14 | bugQ | if it's a bad header, then why are we basing the fix on __APPLE_CC__? |
| 20:08.15 | bugQ | oo, I found something good: http://xurl.cc/?1u |
| 20:08.30 | brlcad | the conversion is at least syntactically valid either just that it depends on the compiler -- casting void to ... -- it's a matter of vararg processing |
| 20:09.04 | bugQ | we have our number. |
| 20:09.20 | brlcad | what's more odd though is that on one system that was debugged, there wasn't a declaration in any one of the four gl headers on the system declaring ..., yet the compiler wanted that decl on the func pointer |
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| 20:10.04 | jftsang | nn64, you there? |
| 20:11.13 | nn64 | yes |
| 20:11.17 | nn64 | what |
| 20:11.20 | nn64 | ? |
| 20:12.53 | JBdiGriz | bugQ: As I suggested before, your patch should be a bit more than just changing the version number. |
| 20:13.48 | JBdiGriz | That from line looks incorrect as well. It used to be <= instead of == |
| 20:16.16 | Winny | JeffM: shirts are here :) |
| 20:17.18 | Winny | opens |
| 20:17.32 | JeffM | Winny, sweet |
| 20:17.38 | whodaman- | nice |
| 20:17.39 | whodaman- | wants |
| 20:17.40 | JeffM | so that was what the 8th day? |
| 20:17.50 | whodaman- | but you don't have them in my size :p |
| 20:17.57 | JeffM | whodaman-, what size? |
| 20:18.13 | whodaman- | the smallest is still to long |
| 20:18.15 | whodaman- | needs to grow |
| 20:18.22 | JeffM | how old are you? |
| 20:18.25 | whodaman- | 14 |
| 20:18.35 | JeffM | get a small, you'll grow into it :) |
| 20:18.44 | whodaman- | yeah...It's getting time |
| 20:19.43 | Winny | 7th day |
| 20:19.51 | JeffM | ok |
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| 20:19.59 | JeffM | well that's good to know at least |
| 20:20.07 | JeffM | your mom feel better about it now? |
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| 20:21.20 | Winny | yeah |
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| 20:22.35 | bugQ | JBdiGriz: that's essentially what I wanted to do, replace '== 5367' with '< 5465' |
| 20:23.24 | bugQ | it's not quite only a change of number.. :) |
| 20:28.02 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16992 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ftgl/src/FTVectoriser.cpp: bugQ seems to think the interface changed with 5465, we shall see |
| 20:28.18 | bugQ | not me, blender. |
| 20:28.20 | bugQ | http://xurl.cc/?1u |
| 20:28.59 | bugQ | other sources hover around that number also. |
| 20:29.48 | bugQ | but now that doesn't count as my patch. foo. |
| 20:32.39 | bugQ | well, now I have a bus to catch. ta. |
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| 20:50.03 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03catay * r16993 10/trunk/bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:50.03 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: Commit of patch 1941462 |
| 20:50.03 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: This patch fixes the following : |
| 20:50.03 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: - idbans report the wrong time remaining on a idbanlist |
| 20:50.03 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: - more accurate bantime registration |
| 20:50.04 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: Bug also removed out of BUGS file. |
| 20:51.55 | brad | ~catay++ |
| 20:58.17 | brlcad | ~seen epyon |
| 20:58.18 | ibot | epyon <n=Epyon@90-156-93-82.magma-net.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 21h 42m 39s ago, saying: 'gtk1 or 2?'. |
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| 20:58.45 | JBdiGriz | ~seen epyon_ |
| 20:58.46 | ibot | epyon_ <n=Epyon@90-156-93-82.magma-net.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5d 4h 36m 8s ago, saying: 'May proove difficult, time is cutting real short on me'. |
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| 21:07.03 | {JAH} | yo |
| 21:07.42 | JeffM | who IS that guy? |
| 21:08.22 | whodaman- | JeffM, old-ish player |
| 21:08.30 | whodaman- | he plays GU mostly |
| 21:08.39 | whodaman- | dunno what he's doing in here tho |
| 21:08.48 | JeffM | he's constantly asking me server setup questions |
| 21:09.17 | whodaman- | oh? |
| 21:09.17 | whodaman- | hm |
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| 21:16.00 | a_meteorite | same here |
| 21:16.15 | a_meteorite | I got pretty annoyed by him, he can't follow instructions very well |
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| 21:51.23 | JeffM | ibot seen epyon |
| 21:51.27 | ibot | epyon <n=Epyon@90-156-93-82.magma-net.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 22h 35m 48s ago, saying: 'gtk1 or 2?'. |
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| 21:57.46 | brlcad | Paul_PL: wake up :) |
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| 22:21.56 | whodaman- | ~catay+= |
| 22:22.05 | Constitution | nice |
| 22:22.13 | me1 | heh |
| 22:22.14 | whodaman- | err |
| 22:22.18 | whodaman- | ~catay++ |
| 22:27.10 | Constitution | anyone know what "checking for icc in use... rm: conftest.dSYM: is a directory" signifies? I can't even find a line like that in configure or .ac |
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| 23:22.48 | uso | JeffM: in a plugin is it forbidden to call bz_removePlayerFlag inside of the handler for the bz_eFlagGrabbedEvent ? |
| 23:23.25 | JeffM | uso, in 2.0.x yeah probably |
| 23:23.32 | uso | awww |
| 23:23.48 | uso | ok, so that may be the reason for some crashes |
| 23:23.49 | JeffM | basicly calling a function that sends a message, inside an event that is building up a message, is bad |
| 23:23.53 | JeffM | that's been fixed in 3.0 |
| 23:24.41 | uso | so what function to remove the flag from the player can i use than? |
| 23:25.01 | blast007 | does the bz_eFlagGrabbedEvent allow you to say "no, you didn't grab the flag" ? |
| 23:25.05 | JeffM | uso, that function |
| 23:25.12 | blast007 | if not, that's be a nice addition |
| 23:25.14 | JeffM | just not inside that callback |
| 23:25.22 | JeffM | blast007, not in 2.0, cus the client does pickups |
| 23:25.32 | blast007 | I mean in 3.0 |
| 23:25.41 | JeffM | ahh in 3.0 we can have that yeah |
| 23:25.57 | JeffM | uso, basicly save what you want to do, and do it in the tick |
| 23:26.16 | uso | how often is the tick called? ever millisecond? |
| 23:26.21 | JeffM | depends |
| 23:26.22 | uso | *every |
| 23:26.26 | blast007 | once per bzfs loop |
| 23:26.29 | uso | roughly? |
| 23:26.29 | JeffM | you set what your acceptable max wait time is |
| 23:26.38 | blast007 | so it might be 30ms, might be 1 second |
| 23:26.43 | JeffM | between 5 seconds and 1ms |
| 23:26.50 | uso | hehe |
| 23:26.58 | blast007 | if there are no players, then it's a longer delay |
| 23:27.32 | uso | could I remove the flag in a shot event (if sucvh an event exist)? |
| 23:28.04 | JeffM | any event that builds a packet would be bad |
| 23:28.36 | uso | bz_eShotFiredEvent? |
| 23:28.41 | uso | ok, sounds like a no |
| 23:28.46 | JeffM | I do not have all the event code in my head ;) |
| 23:28.51 | JeffM | see where it's called |
| 23:29.06 | JeffM | if getDirectMessageBuffer() is called before the event, then generaly no |
| 23:29.09 | JBdiGriz | starts shoving more code into JeffM's ear |
| 23:29.29 | Erroneous | shotfired is one of the ones that does not work iirc |
| 23:29.31 | JeffM | 3.0 has independent buffers for all messages |
| 23:29.41 | JeffM | there are a number of them that don't work |
| 23:29.49 | Erroneous | and some that do |
| 23:30.00 | JeffM | that would be infered ;) |
| 23:30.05 | Erroneous | indeed |
| 23:30.52 | uso | ok, so the tick will probably be it |
| 23:30.58 | uso | thanks |
| 23:31.01 | JeffM | tick will always work |
| 23:31.07 | JeffM | we never build a message in tick |
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