| 00:00.18 | nn64 | I'm not good at version control yet :( it's my weekest point |
| 00:00.20 | brlcad | sam |
| 00:00.23 | brlcad | everyone knows sam |
| 00:00.26 | brlcad | sam he is |
| 00:00.28 | nn64 | lol |
| 00:00.29 | JeffM | nn64, so just say "no" |
| 00:00.32 | nn64 | my friend |
| 00:00.39 | JeffM | and I would know that how? |
| 00:00.59 | brlcad | sam did not like green eggs and ham |
| 00:01.45 | nn64 | about the sam way i do .... Not at all. I really don't know any version control yet |
| 00:01.57 | Winny | brlcad: but do you like green eggs and ham? |
| 00:01.58 | nn64 | same* |
| 00:02.09 | nn64 | lol |
| 00:02.21 | brlcad | Winny: why yes, yes I do |
| 00:02.28 | Winny | and will you eat them in a box? |
| 00:02.32 | JeffM | nn64, is the gtk_timeout_add callback suposed to take a paramater? |
| 00:02.38 | Winny | or with a fox? |
| 00:02.39 | spldart | arg @ dr suess |
| 00:02.41 | brlcad | Winny: only if there's a fox |
| 00:02.46 | spldart | heh |
| 00:03.01 | brlcad | mm.. foxy mamacita |
| 00:03.24 | nn64 | ??? this map looks like it was bilt up side down ? |
| 00:03.39 | nn64 | CORUSCANT02.map |
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| 00:04.23 | brlcad | hello Winny |
| 00:04.23 | EvanEjk | Hi |
| 00:04.30 | brlcad | er, Wyk3d |
| 00:04.37 | Winny | waves to brlcad anyways |
| 00:04.39 | brlcad | there's a new dub-ya in the house for tab-completion |
| 00:04.57 | {JAH} | tim? |
| 00:05.11 | brlcad | ~ask |
| 00:05.11 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 00:05.35 | nn64 | one of the things i did in the editor was make the boxes red and pyramids blue in color mode. |
| 00:05.50 | nn64 | teleports are yellow |
| 00:06.03 | brlcad | sounds exciting |
| 00:07.14 | AHA | nn64, take a screenie of it so all of us who can't compile it can see |
| 00:07.28 | JeffM | so you don't like C++ but you are faking constructors, and other C++ constructs, in C..... |
| 00:07.49 | JeffM | you don't have to use classes in C++ if you don't want ot |
| 00:07.50 | JeffM | to |
| 00:08.45 | nn64 | ya I know that. I just fall to the #C I learned when I was 12 |
| 00:09.05 | JeffM | that was just last year, so whopyt do |
| 00:09.23 | nn64 | lol I'm 15 now |
| 00:09.27 | Think_Differentl | the code doesn't seem to compile, nn |
| 00:09.40 | Think_Differentl | well, it compiles, but doesn't run. |
| 00:09.50 | nn64 | not in windows ; no :( |
| 00:10.05 | nn64 | gcc it seems purfect |
| 00:10.09 | Think_Differentl | not here |
| 00:10.15 | nn64 | ? |
| 00:10.21 | Think_Differentl | I'm running ubuntu 64. |
| 00:10.23 | JeffM | don't assume everyone runs windows |
| 00:10.37 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, run sh compile.txt |
| 00:10.43 | Think_Differentl | I did. |
| 00:10.55 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, you missing libs ? |
| 00:11.05 | Think_Differentl | http://pastebin.ca/985410 |
| 00:11.09 | Think_Differentl | apparently not. |
| 00:11.09 | spldart | oh god. I gotta try it now :-p |
| 00:11.44 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, lol you have to hand it a map file to display |
| 00:11.53 | JeffM | loves the variable names |
| 00:11.56 | JeffM | g->t |
| 00:12.01 | Think_Differentl | nn64, how am I supposed to know, there's no documentation. |
| 00:12.02 | JeffM | it just says.. so much |
| 00:12.09 | Think_Differentl | no docs=no clue |
| 00:12.19 | nn64 | sory I aught to put a better explination there |
| 00:12.23 | JeffM | finaly.. it compiles |
| 00:12.36 | nn64 | Yay |
| 00:12.48 | JeffM | now to get it to link |
| 00:12.49 | nn64 | ./gtkbzedit mymap.bzw |
| 00:13.07 | JeffM | windows is not linux |
| 00:13.09 | JeffM | to not presume |
| 00:14.22 | nn64 | yes i know this is version 0.1 i will fix it soon |
| 00:14.46 | Think_Differentl | I supply a map, but now it just eats all my CPU |
| 00:14.50 | Think_Differentl | and does nothing. |
| 00:14.58 | nn64 | ? |
| 00:15.13 | Think_Differentl | missing, phrase error or ??? |
| 00:15.20 | nn64 | some maps it won't run due to a bad read of the name var |
| 00:15.26 | nn64 | box |
| 00:15.29 | nn64 | name bob |
| 00:15.33 | nn64 | will kill it |
| 00:15.46 | Think_Differentl | >_< |
| 00:15.46 | AHA | fix it then :p |
| 00:16.04 | nn64 | trying to fix it but it's not going to be nice |
| 00:16.32 | nn64 | i allready tryed to fix it and failed i will have to think it through for a while |
| 00:16.44 | nn64 | then come up with a solution |
| 00:16.48 | AHA | nn64, take a screenie of it so all of us who can't compile can see it |
| 00:17.01 | nn64 | ok |
| 00:17.24 | spldart | so.. sh compile.txt? |
| 00:17.27 | Think_Differentl | it doesn't even work with hix |
| 00:17.33 | spldart | Cuz I'm getting a butt load of errors on debian |
| 00:17.46 | Think_Differentl | spldart, do you have the libs? |
| 00:18.11 | spldart | what linux libs do I need ? |
| 00:18.13 | Think_Differentl | I'm not sure which ones it requires, since there isn't much documentation, but I managed to build it. |
| 00:18.21 | spldart | err |
| 00:18.53 | spldart | It's my test rig.. I build a few modules, versions of curl occasionaly and the occasional kernel along with lots of bzflag builds but yeah |
| 00:19.04 | Think_Differentl | gtk? |
| 00:19.10 | spldart | lemme check |
| 00:19.16 | JeffM | what is libdl? |
| 00:23.22 | nn64 | ok one secound and i will give the links to the snap shots |
| 00:24.47 | nn64 | http://bzfmaps.net/~nn/hostme/gtkbzedit1.png |
| 00:24.56 | nn64 | http://bzfmaps.net/~nn/hostme/gtkbzedit2.png |
| 00:25.11 | Think_Differentl | which one shall I click? |
| 00:25.30 | AHA | first |
| 00:25.33 | AHA | and then the second |
| 00:25.38 | nn64 | the secound one is the same map in color |
| 00:26.56 | nn64 | it draws lines in 3d based off a Orthormal matrix. |
| 00:28.03 | Think_Differentl | I'm not sure what the mouth/black holes mean. |
| 00:28.38 | JeffM | it crashes |
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| 00:30.39 | silver | hello |
| 00:31.05 | spldart | Well.. I have gtk.. and I've considered compiling the latest unstable just to be cutting edge.. and then I dismissed the idea ;-p |
| 00:31.51 | Winny | goodbye |
| 00:32.05 | spldart | You are the weakest R.R. |
| 00:32.42 | Winny | You are the weakest link. Goodbye. |
| 00:33.23 | JeffM | nn64, makes a nice blank window |
| 00:33.32 | nn64 | lol |
| 00:33.41 | nn64 | it makes a blank window |
| 00:33.46 | nn64 | then loads a map |
| 00:33.56 | JeffM | nn64, I did |
| 00:34.00 | JeffM | oh |
| 00:34.01 | JeffM | I see |
| 00:34.01 | nn64 | then when you hit a key it draws the map |
| 00:34.06 | JeffM | the box is ONE pixel |
| 00:34.10 | AHA | lol |
| 00:34.42 | JeffM | no, sorry |
| 00:34.44 | nn64 | the 'h' key prints the keys help |
| 00:34.45 | JeffM | it's a dead pixel |
| 00:34.52 | nn64 | lol |
| 00:34.55 | JeffM | you have to hit a key to draw |
| 00:34.58 | JeffM | that's not usefull |
| 00:35.24 | nn64 | well i havent fixed that yet |
| 00:35.38 | nn64 | this is the first relese Beta 1 |
| 00:35.49 | JeffM | nn64, beta means it is feature complete |
| 00:35.57 | JeffM | you are not near beta |
| 00:36.01 | JeffM | nor even alpha |
| 00:36.14 | nn64 | ah oups |
| 00:36.43 | JeffM | it works on windows now, where do you want it? |
| 00:39.01 | nn64 | can you file bin the source and the app here |
| 00:39.12 | JeffM | huh? |
| 00:39.15 | JeffM | file bin? |
| 00:39.15 | nn64 | http://bzfmaps.net/~nn/hostme/filebin.php |
| 00:39.39 | Think_Differentl | oh, you have to hit a button? |
| 00:39.47 | JeffM | you also realy should include the license file in it |
| 00:39.48 | Think_Differentl | maybe it doesn't just eat my CPU for no reason. |
| 00:39.49 | nn64 | ya |
| 00:39.58 | nn64 | lol |
| 00:40.08 | Think_Differentl | still no luck |
| 00:40.09 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, did it work ? |
| 00:40.14 | nn64 | oh |
| 00:40.17 | Think_Differentl | my CPU cycles are wasted. |
| 00:40.18 | JeffM | Think_Differentl, yeah it eats your CPU for a silly reason ;) |
| 00:40.34 | Think_Differentl | kill -9 NO MORE CPU TIME! |
| 00:40.39 | nn64 | because it's trying to barafrase a broken file |
| 00:40.52 | Think_Differentl | I don't think hix is that broken... |
| 00:40.53 | nn64 | phrase a broken map |
| 00:41.02 | JeffM | barafrase? |
| 00:41.05 | JeffM | parse |
| 00:41.10 | JeffM | it's parse |
| 00:41.15 | JeffM | the file is uploaded |
| 00:41.26 | JeffM | good lord, how do you get by in school? |
| 00:41.55 | JeffM | but there ya go |
| 00:42.00 | JeffM | has code changes |
| 00:42.04 | JeffM | and a windows build system |
| 00:42.06 | JeffM | and a release bin |
| 00:42.13 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, this one works : http://bzfmaps.net/~nn/hostme/Castle+Spiff.map |
| 00:42.21 | JeffM | you should set up a svn syste4m |
| 00:42.47 | nn64 | JeffM, thanks a TUN :) |
| 00:42.56 | JeffM | TON |
| 00:42.58 | Winny | ton* |
| 00:43.00 | JeffM | wow |
| 00:43.11 | JeffM | are you doing persective in your drawing? |
| 00:43.26 | nn64 | ya |
| 00:43.36 | spldart | Yay!Q I'm imortilized in a screen shjot |
| 00:43.43 | spldart | oops |
| 00:43.53 | Think_Differentl | I get a box. |
| 00:44.04 | Think_Differentl | with some lines. |
| 00:44.23 | Think_Differentl | not sure what the lines mean. |
| 00:44.54 | JeffM | nn64, you should use GL |
| 00:44.58 | Winny | JeffM, this is sort of OT, but do you know of any good books / resources that outline drawing in 3 dimensions? |
| 00:45.19 | JeffM | Winny, you mean software rendering? |
| 00:45.53 | Winny | I'm trying to find something that outlines the algorithms used to draw in 3 dimensions |
| 00:45.53 | JeffM | my first book on basic rendering was called "engines of creation" for classic macs |
| 00:46.05 | JeffM | Winny, depends what you mean by "draw" |
| 00:46.09 | JeffM | like wireframe stuff? |
| 00:46.27 | Winny | yeah |
| 00:46.35 | JeffM | that's software rendering |
| 00:46.48 | JeffM | not many books on that anymore |
| 00:47.40 | Winny | hmm, ok |
| 00:47.50 | JeffM | I'll have to think |
| 00:47.57 | nn64 | JeffM, intresting fixes |
| 00:48.13 | JeffM | most books now would be on using an API to do the drawing |
| 00:48.14 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, use the arrow keys |
| 00:48.26 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, and hit 'h' key |
| 00:49.00 | Think_Differentl | h doesn't seem to do anything |
| 00:49.04 | Think_Differentl | arrows move it around |
| 00:49.28 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, the h key will onily work if the window is selected |
| 00:49.37 | Think_Differentl | ...it is. |
| 00:49.46 | nn64 | the h key will print on the shell prompt |
| 00:49.54 | Winny | JeffM: ah, hmm |
| 00:50.10 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, its the help key |
| 00:50.12 | JeffM | Winny, I'll look aroudn tho |
| 00:50.19 | JeffM | I mean there is stuff like computation geometry |
| 00:50.34 | Winny | I suppose I could stop dabbling in turing and go into python, where pyopenGL could be used |
| 00:50.52 | JeffM | Winny, it's not a bad thing to know the basics of rendering |
| 00:51.00 | JeffM | from a math point of view |
| 00:51.17 | Think_Differentl | what's flipped keys mode? |
| 00:51.35 | Think_Differentl | oh, inverse? |
| 00:51.56 | JeffM | Winny, you won't find a book on just wireframe, but all the books on 3d rendering will start with wireframe |
| 00:52.43 | nn64 | lol |
| 00:53.01 | JeffM | nn64, where did you get your rendering code from? |
| 00:53.08 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, i though it would be usefull to have pg up down switch with arrow keys |
| 00:53.23 | jorgenpt | brlcad: I'm adding you on LinkedIn, is that acceptable? |
| 00:53.27 | nn64 | JeffM, inspeired form bze |
| 00:53.33 | Think_Differentl | anti-aliasing could be nice. |
| 00:53.41 | nn64 | JeffM, got the equations there |
| 00:53.48 | jorgenpt | assumes yes. |
| 00:54.07 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, have you tryed the c key |
| 00:54.13 | JeffM | inspired == ripped ;) |
| 00:54.16 | JeffM | but ok |
| 00:54.17 | JeffM | no book |
| 00:54.18 | brlcad | jorgenpt: I guess you'll find out ;) |
| 00:54.26 | Think_Differentl | C just makes it red. |
| 00:54.27 | jorgenpt | brlcad: meep! |
| 00:54.36 | nn64 | JeffM, m2 is different from c |
| 00:54.45 | JeffM | nn64, huh? |
| 00:54.46 | nn64 | JeffM, hand copyed and converted it |
| 00:54.47 | jorgenpt | The search feature on LinkedIn isn't exactly .. great. |
| 00:54.56 | jorgenpt | I couldn't find you when I searched for name and your name, brlcad. |
| 00:55.01 | JeffM | nn64, yeah ripped |
| 00:55.03 | JeffM | that's fine |
| 00:55.13 | Think_Differentl | why hand copied? |
| 00:55.16 | JeffM | I was just trying to see if you used a book to help Winny |
| 00:55.26 | jorgenpt | But I found you when I set 'bzflag' as a previous position. :P |
| 00:55.30 | nn64 | lol well the math is the same no matter if i took it from bze or not |
| 00:55.58 | Think_Differentl | wonders if his graphic calculator would be capable of doing something similar |
| 00:56.17 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, if its programmable yes |
| 00:56.37 | Think_Differentl | it's ARM based an has compilers for C and C++ |
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| 00:57.18 | nn64 | cool go have a try |
| 00:57.53 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, the equations are all in mesh3d.c |
| 00:59.07 | nn64 | is using gtkbzedit to poke through bzfmaps2004 colection |
| 00:59.27 | Think_Differentl | I doubt it would run/compile. the calculator doesn't run *nix |
| 01:00.20 | nn64 | lol |
| 01:00.27 | nn64 | it dosent have to |
| 01:00.37 | nn64 | just take the equations |
| 01:00.46 | nn64 | and use a different draw line function |
| 01:01.02 | nn64 | and cut out the gtk code |
| 01:01.31 | nn64 | i just use gtk for window and draw area; and draw line |
| 01:02.25 | Think_Differentl | i think the HP 50G acts a bit differently. |
| 01:02.51 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, Jeffm fixed some bugs with floats and pointers and compiled it for window :::: http://bzfmaps.net/~nn/hostme/gtkbzedit-0.1.zip |
| 01:03.03 | nn64 | windows* |
| 01:03.07 | Think_Differentl | 404 |
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| 01:05.28 | nn64 | ok one secound |
| 01:06.04 | nn64 | http://bzfmaps.net/~nn/hostme/gtkbzedit-0.1-windows.zip |
| 01:06.08 | Think_Differentl | it's ok |
| 01:06.13 | Think_Differentl | I don't run windows. |
| 01:06.27 | AHA | nn64, downloading it now |
| 01:07.18 | nn64 | JeffM, Thanks again :) |
| 01:07.37 | JeffM | nn64, sure |
| 01:07.43 | JeffM | I'm making a C++ version |
| 01:07.49 | nn64 | cool |
| 01:07.56 | JeffM | just so you can see that it's not bad |
| 01:08.25 | nn64 | then i can base other programs of that simple c++ example |
| 01:08.37 | nn64 | :) |
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| 01:11.25 | lol_u | Hello everyone! |
| 01:12.10 | blast007 | hi |
| 01:13.19 | JeffM | nn64, what does rt stand for? |
| 01:13.52 | blast007 | nn64: BZE is not under an open-source license. It only lists a copyright. |
| 01:16.12 | nn64 | JeffM, Rotation Matrix has to do with the :: orthogonal matrix |
| 01:16.46 | nn64 | AHA, you got it to work ? |
| 01:16.51 | JeffM | then you shoudl call it RotationMatrix ;) |
| 01:17.02 | nn64 | rt is for short |
| 01:17.13 | JeffM | and undescriptive |
| 01:17.49 | nn64 | I'm not the best at typing so i shorten things to make the job easear |
| 01:18.02 | nn64 | I know its a bad habit :( |
| 01:18.16 | Think_Differentl | nn64, perhaps you should take a course in typing |
| 01:18.17 | JeffM | no better way to learn |
| 01:18.31 | nn64 | I'm getting better |
| 01:18.47 | nn64 | linux helps with that |
| 01:18.48 | Think_Differentl | has no letter marks on his keyboard |
| 01:19.02 | nn64 | lol :-D |
| 01:19.32 | lol_u | What are you guys working on? |
| 01:20.05 | nn64 | the biggest map i have opened yet ::: 1836 objects ;; 1682 boxes |
| 01:20.36 | lol_u | whats the ip and port? |
| 01:20.41 | lol_u | i'll check it out |
| 01:21.44 | nn64 | lol_u, were working on my editer |
| 01:21.53 | lol_u | ok :) |
| 01:22.12 | nn64 | lol_u, http://bzfmaps.net/~nn/hostme/gtkbzedit-0.1-windows.zip |
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| 01:23.30 | lol_u | @nn64 When do you think it'll be released? |
| 01:24.27 | nn64 | lol_u, you can down load it from this link: http://bzfmaps.net/~nn/hostme/gtkbzedit-0.1-windows.zip |
| 01:24.37 | lol_u | ;) thanks |
| 01:25.14 | nn64 | lol_u, rember you have to give it a map file or it will not run |
| 01:25.36 | nn64 | lol_u, drag and drop the map on the exe file |
| 01:26.13 | nn64 | lol_u, to view it use the arrow keys |
| 01:26.18 | lol_u | Im viewing it |
| 01:26.22 | lol_u | :) |
| 01:26.23 | lol_u | :)Nice Map |
| 01:26.34 | lol_u | I think you'll be successful ;) |
| 01:26.46 | lol_u | of making it playable |
| 01:28.02 | lol_u | g2g doing some patroling on some servers that im admin on....later everyone and good luck nn64! |
| 01:28.27 | nn64 | lol_u, bye |
| 01:29.52 | nn64 | I'm starting to consider putting some of these maps in my map change. |
| 01:33.15 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, hows it going ? |
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| 01:55.22 | JeffM | nn64, is your matrix "product" realy just a contactination? |
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| 02:00.02 | nn64 | JeffM, I don't really know I didn't make it and I don't know much about math yet :( |
| 02:03.03 | blast007 | nn64: did you see my comment about BZE? |
| 02:04.21 | JeffM | oh that's right, this is sotlen code |
| 02:04.26 | JeffM | nn64, you can't release this man |
| 02:04.28 | JeffM | at all |
| 02:04.44 | nn64 | lol not really |
| 02:04.46 | JeffM | nn64, yes |
| 02:04.51 | nn64 | i hand wrote it |
| 02:05.01 | nn64 | and it is not stolen |
| 02:05.15 | JeffM | but you did it by using code you did not have legal access too |
| 02:05.16 | nn64 | i could have taken a math book and made the same thing |
| 02:05.21 | JeffM | yes, but you didn't |
| 02:05.23 | JeffM | that's the problem |
| 02:05.57 | nn64 | lol bze had a error in its math my friend fixed it using a math book on line |
| 02:06.04 | JeffM | nn64, this isnt' lol |
| 02:06.09 | JeffM | this is dead serious |
| 02:06.17 | nn64 | what |
| 02:06.30 | JeffM | you can't just go and use code you don't hve right sto |
| 02:06.31 | JeffM | to |
| 02:06.37 | JeffM | even if you translate it into another langauge |
| 02:06.46 | JeffM | you need to repsect copyright |
| 02:06.55 | JeffM | and you for sure as heck, can't relicense it |
| 02:06.56 | nn64 | I wrote my own code and i don't have wright to it |
| 02:07.05 | JeffM | nn64, you admit that you didn't |
| 02:07.09 | JeffM | you don't understand the code |
| 02:07.21 | JeffM | you pulled it from existing code and converted it to C |
| 02:07.35 | JeffM | you admit you don't even understand the math |
| 02:07.59 | nn64 | because i used a Math refrence; i understand the code well enofught to write it my self but not well enofugh to answer the above question |
| 02:07.59 | JeffM | have you tried to contact the author of bze? |
| 02:08.07 | JeffM | nn64, that's not the point |
| 02:08.17 | JeffM | you admit to the fact that you STOLE the code |
| 02:08.23 | JeffM | the point is you did not respect copyright |
| 02:08.33 | nn64 | I did not steel code |
| 02:08.37 | JeffM | yes you did |
| 02:08.42 | nn64 | I did not even use m3 |
| 02:08.43 | JeffM | you took it, and translated it |
| 02:08.44 | nn64 | m2* |
| 02:08.52 | JeffM | did you read his code |
| 02:08.57 | JeffM | then convert it to C? |
| 02:10.00 | nn64 | look there is a lawyer at church I go to maby he can give me the legal info i need. To get people like you off my tail |
| 02:10.29 | JeffM | nn64, just answer the question |
| 02:10.48 | JeffM | the only person who can bring the law against you is the author |
| 02:11.02 | JeffM | did you try to contact them? |
| 02:11.04 | spldart | Dude! I would have to assume you did infringe someones intellectual property with teh attitude your taking |
| 02:11.05 | nn64 | I read the math in his code and used that |
| 02:11.12 | nn64 | in my own way |
| 02:11.12 | JeffM | nn64, then that is a form of theft |
| 02:11.17 | JeffM | you need to understand that |
| 02:11.30 | nn64 | why cant all programs be GPL |
| 02:11.40 | JeffM | nn64, because not every author wants to do that |
| 02:11.45 | JeffM | DID you try to contact the author? |
| 02:11.47 | JeffM | at all? |
| 02:11.52 | nn64 | I will contact him and ask him if it is under gpl |
| 02:11.58 | JeffM | nn64, so that is a no |
| 02:12.08 | nn64 | Not yet |
| 02:12.10 | JeffM | why can't you just answer questions |
| 02:12.14 | JeffM | you make it so hard |
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| 02:12.40 | nn64 | i thought re writing it would be a way to avoid that stupid broken licence he mesed up in writhing |
| 02:12.56 | JeffM | nn64, you thought wrong |
| 02:13.06 | JeffM | you can't apply your personal morals to other peoples works |
| 02:13.09 | JeffM | that's just wrong! |
| 02:14.09 | JeffM | I highly recomend that you take down your code untill you get permision from the author |
| 02:14.54 | nn64 | if i haden't told you it was inspired by bze and you compared the code it would be just a Tiny amount of Orthogonal math that you would requnize |
| 02:15.06 | JeffM | nn64, that dosn't change what you have done |
| 02:15.07 | nn64 | between the 2 |
| 02:15.18 | JeffM | hiding a crime isn't the same as not commiting one |
| 02:15.30 | JeffM | is a hidden sin still a sin? |
| 02:15.42 | JeffM | or is it cool to murder someone as long as noone finds out? |
| 02:15.46 | nn64 | great every time i bring somthing here its rejected i wonder some times why i do |
| 02:16.03 | JeffM | nn64, because you don't think things thru |
| 02:16.13 | JeffM | and if I recall, you were told about the license to this long ago |
| 02:16.19 | nn64 | Good night |
| 02:16.21 | JeffM | when you first stared playing with BZE |
| 02:18.20 | short_circuit | wonders the age |
| 02:18.30 | JeffM | he says 15 |
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| 02:19.40 | short_circuit | That's believable. |
| 02:20.00 | JeffM | perhaps |
| 02:21.14 | JeffM | I've sent the author a message |
| 02:21.22 | JeffM | we'll see what he does. |
| 02:21.24 | Think_Differentl | what's bze? |
| 02:21.28 | I_Died_Once | Never gonna give you up |
| 02:21.29 | nn64 | JeffM, about what ? |
| 02:21.33 | I_Died_Once | Never gonna say goodbye |
| 02:21.35 | nn64 | whether its gbl |
| 02:21.37 | nn64 | gpl |
| 02:21.44 | short_circuit | Yikes I_D_E |
| 02:21.47 | short_circuit | hehe |
| 02:22.12 | JeffM | nn64, we know it is NOT gpl |
| 02:22.13 | Think_Differentl | rickroll ftw |
| 02:22.15 | JeffM | that is not the question |
| 02:22.17 | JeffM | it never has been |
| 02:22.21 | JeffM | if it was, it would say so |
| 02:22.42 | JeffM | we'll see what he says |
| 02:22.59 | JeffM | he'll probably just MIT it or something |
| 02:23.05 | nn64 | what did you send him |
| 02:23.10 | JeffM | a message |
| 02:23.30 | nn64 | with what question |
| 02:23.48 | JeffM | techincaly that is private, between me and him, but it was about BZE |
| 02:23.55 | nn64 | ok |
| 02:24.22 | short_circuit | Someone's heart rate increases with their level of anxiety. |
| 02:25.17 | nn64 | well if its leagle for me to use most of the work i put into learing gtk and playing around with that anoying copy right matrex. Great if not i will have to find some other way; or give up. :( |
| 02:25.35 | JeffM | nn64, the core reason I take this to heart is that basicly, you sorta swindled me into working on code I techincaly should not have modified. |
| 02:25.42 | JeffM | I know you didn't see it that way |
| 02:25.44 | JeffM | I really do |
| 02:25.48 | JeffM | but it's important. |
| 02:26.42 | I_Died_Once | they're going to throwe Jeff in jail for this, yo |
| 02:26.48 | I_Died_Once | software laws are harsh |
| 02:27.11 | I_Died_Once | he might not never walk right again if we don't all chip in for some soap on a rope |
| 02:27.20 | JeffM | steals I_Died_Once's secret stash |
| 02:27.48 | I_Died_Once | send me a postcard from Guantanamo Bay, Jeff |
| 02:28.05 | JeffM | lets terrorists win |
| 02:28.11 | nn64 | well thanks for the fixes ; sory i didn't get all this stuff correct. I'm a little bit a new be so I generally use 4 programs as bounce point refrences |
| 02:30.23 | JeffM | I still think you should contact the author as well |
| 02:30.27 | nn64 | This is a mixtrue of code I learned form the fallowing refrences : gtkatlantic; bze; Gnome Documentation library ; and mixed internet sources. |
| 02:30.28 | JeffM | letting him know what you did |
| 02:31.25 | JeffM | if he says he dosn't care, then you don't need a license as he has given you express permission. |
| 02:31.31 | nn64 | Lets just say :( I hope he answers you in english. |
| 02:32.07 | JeffM | so you arn't going to do it? |
| 02:32.09 | nn64 | his code had Itialan notes and m2's manual was in italian |
| 02:32.18 | JeffM | so? |
| 02:32.19 | JeffM | translate |
| 02:32.24 | JeffM | google can do it |
| 02:32.34 | JeffM | I'm fairly certan he can read english |
| 02:32.38 | nn64 | i will contact him anyway |
| 02:32.42 | JeffM | as parts of his website are writen in it |
| 02:34.11 | nn64 | :( i probably should have stade on my remake of gtkatlantic |
| 02:34.47 | blast007 | stayed* |
| 02:35.11 | nn64 | O well if this never gets anyware i will have atleast learned somthing about gtk drawing |
| 02:35.36 | nn64 | which i already started to use in my newest idea a calender |
| 02:35.39 | blast007 | Oh* anywhere* at least* something* |
| 02:35.44 | nn64 | in gtk |
| 02:36.12 | Think_Differentl | calendar* |
| 02:36.28 | nn64 | lol |
| 02:36.59 | nn64 | the more sleepy i get the worse i spell..... Good Night |
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| 02:56.38 | KingofCamelot | Interesting conversation I missed |
| 02:57.35 | JeffM | it's all fun and games untill a giant robot smashes tokyo! |
| 03:01.25 | KingofCamelot | Indeed :) |
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| 04:07.15 | JeffM | yay for non busted laptops |
| 04:15.14 | mayB | JeffM: hi .... i was asked to submit more details about my application by chrisotpher ... i have added on the soc application dashboard .... |
| 04:15.25 | JeffM | cool |
| 04:15.29 | mayB | is this sufficient |
| 04:15.37 | JeffM | dunno :) |
| 04:15.42 | JeffM | havent read it |
| 04:15.48 | mayB | i dont know about christopher |
| 04:15.56 | JeffM | that's brlcad |
| 04:16.05 | mayB | ohhhk |
| 04:16.33 | mayB | i was asking in the terms of do i need to send him a email of some sort |
| 04:16.43 | JeffM | naw |
| 04:16.56 | JeffM | comments in the application are prefectly fine |
| 04:17.05 | Flash | blast007: you have a memory issue (in your code ;-) |
| 04:17.12 | mayB | ok ... no prob |
| 04:17.14 | mayB | thanks |
| 04:21.04 | blast007 | Flash: I'm sure I do ;) |
| 04:21.18 | Flash | would you like a penultimate fix? |
| 04:21.42 | blast007 | sure |
| 04:21.58 | Flash | ok, I'll send a patch inbound ;-) |
| 04:22.04 | blast007 | thx |
| 04:23.03 | Flash | any resistance to auto_ptr? |
| 04:24.38 | brlcad | mayB: I read it, thanks for the update -- I do like the mockup |
| 04:26.43 | brlcad | mayB: what I meant about the appearance and interaction design is how it looks (which you partially addressed in the pdf) and how you'd actually work with the interface, how you navigate, select options, key bindings, etc |
| 04:27.08 | mayB | brlcad: thanks .... a lot ..... i could have done better ..... but just wanted to convey the idea ..... sorry for the colors ;) |
| 04:29.34 | mayB | i know that there are few unanswered questions even after this pdf ...... |
| 04:29.48 | mayB | anyways thanks |
| 04:30.44 | blast007 | Flash: was that question directed to me? |
| 04:31.11 | Flash | it was a general question (but related to your memory problem) |
| 04:32.40 | blast007 | should that be necessary? |
| 04:32.48 | blast007 | it's not use in any of the code at this point |
| 04:32.53 | blast007 | used* |
| 04:32.54 | Flash | it simplifies things |
| 04:33.08 | Flash | less worrying about remember to delete things |
| 04:33.16 | Flash | plus auto-init of "pointer" values |
| 04:33.23 | blast007 | well, what is the real issue right now in the code? |
| 04:33.31 | blast007 | I am delete'ing the object, correct? |
| 04:33.46 | Flash | first, your pointer is not initialized (undefined behavior) |
| 04:33.57 | Flash | second, you delete it but don't change the value |
| 04:34.07 | Flash | the pointer is used all over the place |
| 04:34.13 | Flash | using it after delete would be bad |
| 04:34.21 | blast007 | it isn't used after the delete |
| 04:34.46 | Flash | then why is it allocated at all? |
| 04:34.47 | blast007 | all of the calls to it are made between when I new and delete it |
| 04:35.00 | Flash | if the scope is between the beginning and end of the function |
| 04:35.16 | blast007 | what else should I do? |
| 04:35.54 | blast007 | before it was static, and was being initialized before the CLI options were parsed, thus the -configdir wasn't working for the access list file |
| 04:35.59 | Flash | you can declare a stack variable of type AccessList |
| 04:36.09 | Flash | in startDownload |
| 04:36.18 | Flash | but that may be messy for all the functions |
| 04:36.27 | Flash | however, not any less dangerous |
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| 04:36.51 | blast007 | so I should init it to NULL, and then set it to NULL after I delete? |
| 04:37.04 | Flash | that's minimally correct, yes |
| 04:37.06 | blast007 | I'm not used to pointers |
| 04:37.23 | Flash | at least then you'll reliably segfault if someone uses it when you don't expect it |
| 04:38.38 | blast007 | the other functions that use it are only called from inside startDownloads, afaik |
| 04:39.46 | Flash | the challenge with functions is that you shouldn't depend on an order of execution/calling |
| 04:44.53 | blast007 | hmm, guess one of the functions is called from playing.cxx |
| 04:44.57 | Flash | ok, now I have to look at what catay did |
| 04:48.18 | blast007 | ah, they made the Downloads class a singleton |
| 04:48.35 | Flash | depends on why you want it initialized |
| 04:48.40 | Flash | *when |
| 04:51.09 | Flash | interesting that you start downloads from two different places |
| 04:52.07 | blast007 | well, one is for when they hit the "Update Downloads" menu item |
| 04:52.35 | Flash | pretty much, I like his change |
| 04:52.45 | Flash | probably what I would have done if I had taken the time ;-) |
| 04:53.01 | Flash | except I'd use an auto_ptr instead of having to remember to delete in the ctor |
| 05:08.05 | Flash | hopes no one pays attention to him |
| 05:08.08 | Flash | *dtor |
| 05:11.51 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 14:03.24 | Rebel | suppo!! |
| 14:03.42 | Rebel | -_- |
| 14:03.48 | Rebel | 0_0 |
| 14:04.00 | Rebel | 0_0" |
| 14:04.17 | Rebel | =D |
| 14:04.22 | Rebel | =) |
| 14:04.41 | Rebel | =3 |
| 14:04.55 | Rebel | 9_9 |
| 14:04.55 | whodaman | hi |
| 14:04.59 | whodaman | uh |
| 14:05.06 | Rebel | oh heyyyyyy man!! |
| 14:05.06 | whodaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.14 | whodaman | hi |
| 14:06.03 | Rebel | i jusat came here because theres no servers that have smart people |
| 14:06.16 | menotume | oh my |
| 14:07.25 | Rebel | and...i cant work with some of these poeple there are like 6 year olds tking and everything so i came here |
| 14:07.56 | Rebel | well i'll be talking in heere and be on gubzleague |
| 14:08.20 | menotume | and you are ... ? eight ? |
| 14:09.01 | Rebel | huh oh 14 |
| 14:09.26 | menotume | ahh, okies :) |
| 14:09.33 | Rebel | lol |
| 14:10.27 | Rebel | well see ya round |
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| 14:23.16 | CBG | nice work menotume |
| 14:23.21 | CBG | ~menotume++ |
| 14:54.07 | eTangenT | indeed |
| 14:54.09 | eTangenT | ~menotume++ |
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| 15:08.37 | catay | blast007: not the AccessList , the Downloads , a singleton that is |
| 15:09.26 | catay | it looks nicer that way, not sure it's the right thing to do :) |
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| 15:10.10 | brlcad | eeeep! |
| 15:10.27 | catay | eek, thats odd, i submitted that patch twice ... |
| 15:11.00 | catay | hmmm, how did that happen |
| 15:12.53 | donny_baker | catay: time warp? |
| 15:13.58 | catay | creepy :) |
| 15:14.15 | catay | i guess i must have hit refresh or something when closing browser |
| 15:14.34 | catay | it's around the time I went to bed last night |
| 15:16.57 | mcintyem | Additional prototypes on http://soc08.blogspot.com ... need more color, etc, these are rough, but Sean asked for an idea on the listing page. |
| 15:21.52 | catay | yay , got my t-shirt :) |
| 15:23.26 | donny_baker | catay: nice isn't it |
| 15:25.19 | catay | donny_baker: yah looks good, can't wait till it's summer so I can show off with it ;) |
| 15:36.22 | blast007 | catay: yeah, I saw the patch later :) |
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| 15:38.29 | catay | blast007: does it still do what it should do now ? |
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| 15:42.08 | blast007 | catay: seems to work fine |
| 15:42.14 | blast007 | but I tell a bit more |
| 15:42.18 | blast007 | I'll* |
| 15:42.44 | blast007 | I'll probably fire up linux here at some point and try it there too |
| 15:46.54 | TimRiker | ponders another 2.0 release, at least a debian upload to add the .desktop and #include changes. |
| 15:47.54 | catay | blast007: cool |
| 15:48.46 | blast007 | but the change looks good, so I don't see why I won't add it after I test :) |
| 15:49.01 | blast007 | I even tried out the "Update Downloads" menu item |
| 15:49.14 | blast007 | though I was never too clear what that actually did ;) |
| 15:49.21 | catay | hehe |
| 15:49.29 | catay | well, same here :p |
| 16:03.05 | spldart | Debian could use it imho |
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| 16:10.23 | JeffM | got a responce back from the bze Guy |
| 16:10.46 | brlcad | bze? |
| 16:10.57 | SportChick | pokes brlcad |
| 16:11.03 | SportChick | hugs JeffM |
| 16:11.03 | brlcad | nudges SportChick |
| 16:11.04 | JeffM | the little editor nn64 was stealing code from |
| 16:11.11 | brlcad | ah |
| 16:11.13 | JeffM | hey SportChick how's it goin |
| 16:11.28 | SportChick | hiya JeffM |
| 16:11.37 | JeffM | he BSDed it so now it CAN actualy be used for a learning resource |
| 16:11.52 | spldart | lucky nn |
| 16:11.58 | JeffM | indeed |
| 16:11.59 | jorgenpt | What's up, jeffm? Who's this nn64? |
| 16:12.03 | spldart | btw english or italian? |
| 16:12.15 | JeffM | spldart, his respoince? english |
| 16:12.22 | spldart | hehe |
| 16:12.23 | JeffM | he even updated the source comments to engilsh |
| 16:12.28 | JeffM | seems like a very nice guy |
| 16:12.43 | JeffM | jorgenpt, a player/server owner/youngin |
| 16:13.25 | JeffM | then I went and rewrote the entire thing |
| 16:13.33 | JeffM | gives props to GTK for sucking less |
| 16:13.57 | jorgenpt | :p |
| 16:14.27 | JeffM | they had a premade version, it worked |
| 16:14.28 | brlcad | howdy jorgenpt, how goes it? |
| 16:14.39 | JeffM | and other then installing a ton of incude dirs.. it wasn't too bad |
| 16:14.40 | jorgenpt | Slightly hung over. :o |
| 16:14.50 | brlcad | excellent |
| 16:15.12 | jorgenpt | How so? ;-P |
| 16:15.15 | jorgenpt | And how're you? :) |
| 16:16.14 | brlcad | too busy and not hung over enough |
| 16:16.29 | jorgenpt | Hehe :-) |
| 16:16.39 | jorgenpt | How's me being hung over excellent, though? ;-) |
| 16:17.13 | JeffM | means you had a good time last night |
| 16:17.38 | jorgenpt | That's true. At least I didn't end up like my mate, who woke up at about 7-8AM .. sitting in a computer lab at school |
| 16:17.54 | jorgenpt | (our uni is pretty close to where I live) |
| 16:18.19 | jorgenpt | How're GSoC apps going? |
| 16:19.08 | JeffM | prety good |
| 16:19.24 | JeffM | not as many as we would have hoped for but I think we'll get some good ones |
| 16:19.37 | jorgenpt | Coo' :-) |
| 16:19.44 | jorgenpt | You guys are reading their proposals and commenting atm? |
| 16:20.20 | JeffM | we've done that part |
| 16:20.56 | JeffM | mostly just waiting on any straglers to acutaly show up and do something ( I doubt it ) and working out some conflicts |
| 16:21.24 | jorgenpt | ok =) |
| 16:21.28 | jorgenpt | Cool! |
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| 16:49.44 | mcintyem | brlcad: I saw your latest comments on my SoC app, and wrote you back. Have you seen the latest prototypes? Thoughts? |
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| 16:55.38 | mcintyem | blast007, JeffM: Same question? |
| 16:55.51 | JeffM | yeah I have seen them |
| 16:55.59 | JeffM | honestly they don't wow me |
| 16:56.06 | JeffM | they are kinda generic and bland |
| 16:56.25 | JeffM | I was hoping to have new non suck interface elements done as part of the project |
| 16:56.36 | JeffM | I realy dislike our paging list thing |
| 16:56.55 | mcintyem | Well, that's exactly the sort of feedback I am hoping for at this point. |
| 16:57.30 | JeffM | I envissioned a cool tab system |
| 16:57.35 | JeffM | more like our chat panel |
| 16:57.44 | JeffM | with a scrilling list |
| 16:57.50 | JeffM | that could be done in flat or tree views |
| 16:57.58 | JeffM | so that you could group servers by hostname, or instance |
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| 16:59.04 | mcintyem | Definately do-able. From previous projects, I take first revision prototypes to be a way to get input about exactly what sucks about something. |
| 16:59.16 | JeffM | heh |
| 16:59.23 | mcintyem | ? |
| 16:59.36 | JeffM | crap on wall approach |
| 16:59.39 | JeffM | see what sticks |
| 16:59.43 | JeffM | it can work :) |
| 16:59.58 | JeffM | so very much wants to be done with CRC :( |
| 17:00.47 | mcintyem | I mean, they are things that only take a little while to put together, and (for example) just got one great idea. |
| 17:00.56 | JeffM | indeed |
| 17:01.06 | JeffM | gets the ball rolling |
| 17:01.55 | mcintyem | Right-- I'll put together an example tab-driven page later today and throw it up there. |
| 17:02.03 | JeffM | cool |
| 17:03.07 | mcintyem | What do you think should be the involvement of the community's opinion on making these sorts of changes? |
| 17:03.33 | JeffM | that if you do, you will find yourself boged down in lots of noise |
| 17:03.40 | mcintyem | Will we want to put a few versions to vote in a forum? |
| 17:03.53 | JeffM | better to work it out with a smaller group first, then show them what you have when it's functional |
| 17:04.01 | JeffM | we don't do votes |
| 17:04.09 | JeffM | bzflag is not a democracy ;) |
| 17:04.12 | mcintyem | Ah, "bzflag is not a democracy" |
| 17:04.16 | JeffM | indeed |
| 17:04.19 | mcintyem | (all ready typing that :)) |
| 17:04.30 | JeffM | I mean there is a ballance of course |
| 17:04.35 | JeffM | we can't do things they will hate |
| 17:04.45 | JeffM | and we should take end user usefullness into account |
| 17:04.53 | JeffM | but ... there are a lot of wiered people out there ;) |
| 17:05.07 | JeffM | it's just realy hard to get them to focus on something like a design discussion |
| 17:05.53 | JeffM | and they don't always know what is best for our long term, or what is usefull to everyone, etc.. |
| 17:06.02 | JeffM | you may get someone who is totaly adimant about some feature |
| 17:06.06 | JeffM | and demand it go in |
| 17:06.22 | mcintyem | Right, makes sense. Will there be an opportunity to get feedback from other mentors/developers? For example, can we commit a working version at some point and have a select group try to use it? |
| 17:06.23 | JeffM | only to find out that she's the only one to use that |
| 17:06.28 | L4m3r | I WANT GUIDED LASERS WAH WAH WAH |
| 17:06.43 | L4m3r | :) |
| 17:06.44 | Erroneous | heh. those will come, actually... |
| 17:06.49 | JeffM | mcintyem, your entire development process would be done with metors |
| 17:06.57 | JeffM | L4m3r, yeah, 4.0 can have em |
| 17:06.59 | L4m3r | some of the cheaters already have them |
| 17:07.12 | JeffM | L4m3r, about 70% of it is coded |
| 17:07.18 | mcintyem | L4m3r: I don't think that fits well into the project of improving server search and listing functionality ;) |
| 17:07.25 | mcintyem | JeffM: Great. |
| 17:07.40 | Erroneous | ah, limiting your scope. smart man ;) |
| 17:07.46 | blast007 | heh |
| 17:08.21 | L4m3r | well I can't really think of a feature that's too ridiculous for server listing |
| 17:09.50 | mcintyem | Erroneous: I've got an educated feeling that the success of a time-limited project like this has everything to do with scope. (Including defining the right one from the get-go) ... So-- Prototypes ver 0.2: Dawn of the Tabs (on Internets everywhere Tuesday evening) |
| 17:10.46 | JeffM | L4m3r, constatnly pingining all the servers ;) |
| 17:11.05 | mcintyem | :) |
| 17:11.22 | L4m3r | heh |
| 17:11.42 | JeffM | BZFlag, flood machine eddition |
| 17:11.43 | L4m3r | if someone wants that enough, they'll probably just write it in |
| 17:14.22 | JeffM | or use a better tool |
| 17:14.30 | JeffM | but as we have seen our cheaters are lazy |
| 17:14.36 | JeffM | look at all the F5 abbusers |
| 17:14.45 | L4m3r | not all of them are lazy |
| 17:14.47 | JeffM | there are way simpler ways to cheat, yet they go and spam that key :) |
| 17:14.52 | JeffM | no not all of them |
| 17:15.03 | brlcad | <lh> thanks, they are freakin' sweet. wore mine to lug radio live usa |
| 17:15.05 | JeffM | so that means if they wanted to ping flood all the servers they wo9uld have |
| 17:15.17 | JeffM | brlcad, whoot :) |
| 17:15.17 | brlcad | <lh> thanks, please send my love right back at them. :) |
| 17:15.22 | JeffM | did they have enough? |
| 17:15.35 | brlcad | (to all the devs) |
| 17:15.42 | Erroneous | feels loved |
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| 17:27.30 | javawizard2539 | Is bzflag.com owned by bzflag? |
| 17:33.19 | mcintyem | It seems like a bad idea to even think about incorporating navtive window-system toolkits like Motif into a bzflag feature. Confirmed? |
| 17:35.30 | brlcad | javawizard2539: yes |
| 17:35.52 | brlcad | rather, tim holds the domain name |
| 17:36.08 | brlcad | mcintyem: yes, that would be bad |
| 17:36.10 | mcintyem | Reasoning: BZFlag is famously cross platform and adding a (/another?) platform-limiting dependancy seems like a significant compromise. |
| 17:36.28 | brlcad | stick to opengl toolkits (there are a bunch) |
| 17:36.50 | brlcad | or our own gui facilities |
| 17:38.01 | mcintyem | On the other hand, developing a completely cross platform portable widget library so that it looks good with BZFlag is a large task in itself... forget then using that to implement new functionality. However, BZFlag seems to have a good start on widget-like functionality... menus, tabs, which I assume is reusable OO, though admittedly haven't dug into it. |
| 17:38.21 | JeffM | snickers |
| 17:38.38 | Erroneous | oh stop snickering. it's not that bad. |
| 17:38.52 | Erroneous | lil' odd maybe |
| 17:38.54 | JeffM | it's better then it used to be |
| 17:39.04 | Erroneous | and no mouse support, but that's by design |
| 17:40.31 | L4m3r | growls |
| 17:40.50 | Erroneous | snarls |
| 17:41.02 | mcintyem | Would you (all) say the best bet (both for the feature, and the future of BZFlag) would be to approach this with the plan of improving the BZFlag GUI functions or bring in an outside library? |
| 17:41.12 | mcintyem | (meant that as an either/or) |
| 17:41.32 | Erroneous | aw, too bad about the parenthetical afterwards |
| 17:41.35 | Erroneous | was gonna say "yes" |
| 17:41.57 | mcintyem | saw that coming. |
| 17:42.17 | Erroneous | my personal preference is to improve the existing hud items |
| 17:42.17 | JeffM | it would probbly be simpler IMHO to extend what we have |
| 17:42.35 | brlcad | it's easy enough to use, that's for sure -- can't say that about a lot of the toolkits |
| 17:42.38 | JeffM | tho part of that may be tied to our eventual goals to move to a third party engine. |
| 17:43.00 | JeffM | so having our own hud system that we could wrap around an engine specific system isnt' bad |
| 17:43.05 | JeffM | makes port tiem easier |
| 17:43.07 | JeffM | time |
| 17:44.54 | mcintyem | That's my instinct-- outside libraries are bad because: 1) They may not be as portable 2) They may be portable now, but not later 3) If you freeze the code and maintain it yourself you lose the benefit of their bug fixes 4) If you don't freeze the code-- then you're a slave to an interface outside your control (as a project) |
| 17:45.37 | mcintyem | But, if you write it yourself, then --- you have to write it yourself. |
| 17:45.42 | Erroneous | outside libraries are not necessarily bad. but the advantages need to be weighed against those points as well as others. |
| 17:46.45 | mcintyem | Erroneous: Agreed. I didn't mean all outside libraries. It's a good think bzflag didn't reimplement OpenGL itself! |
| 17:47.52 | JeffM | mcintyem, besides it being impossible ;) |
| 17:48.04 | JeffM | libs are fine as long as there is good benifit |
| 17:48.13 | JeffM | we are actualy swaping to more libs with each relase |
| 17:48.30 | JeffM | like we no longer do our own font drawing |
| 17:48.35 | JeffM | nor our own HTTP |
| 17:48.59 | JeffM | and eventualy, I hope, no longer do own own sceene graph |
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| 17:51.41 | mcintyem | JeffM: So-- this will take some research on my part to see what the current state of the BZFlag GUI is. Really, this is at the core of the "conservative" nature of those prototypes I put up -- I haven't been deep enough into the BZFlag code to feel comfortable claiming that I am prepared to do something fancy (fancy (often) = difficult). Sounds like there is a decent GUI base in BZFlag, so hopefully that will look like a + in the do-ability column for tab-dr |
| 17:52.12 | JeffM | code wise I think it's decent |
| 17:52.20 | JeffM | graphics wise I think it looks like ass, personaly |
| 17:53.19 | Erroneous | graphically it's very simple. I think that's a good thing |
| 17:53.28 | Erroneous | is not big on boxes and gradients |
| 17:53.40 | JeffM | simple yes, but I think we could make it more clean |
| 17:54.00 | Erroneous | the worst part is the total lack of consistency between menus. but that's not a hudui problem, that's a menus problem |
| 17:54.09 | JeffM | yes |
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| 17:54.13 | JeffM | that's the clean part |
| 17:54.28 | jftsang | hello |
| 17:54.36 | jftsang | I'm having some troubles with http://pastebin.com/d56a24a39 |
| 17:54.40 | JeffM | I don't want boxes or gradients, but a couple HRs to break sections apart would not hurt :) |
| 17:54.44 | Erroneous | and I totally agree we need to clean up the menu system. I just don't think we need new widgets to do it (aside from maybe a generic tab control) |
| 17:54.51 | jftsang | it builds, but the server refuses to send a message or to kill the player |
| 17:55.00 | JeffM | Erroneous, and a scrolling list |
| 17:55.13 | mcintyem | Would I be assigned one or two mentors specifically, or are all the mentors everyone's mentors? Reason I ask is if, while developing the software requirements, we decide there is a more critical/basic task, the time could be redirected. |
| 17:55.14 | Erroneous | scrolling list can be done now, very easily |
| 17:55.18 | JeffM | k |
| 17:55.36 | JeffM | jftsang, have you steped thru in the debuger ? |
| 17:55.36 | Erroneous | nav queue takes care of that. all you'd need is a scrollbar. |
| 17:55.52 | jftsang | oh, no |
| 17:56.05 | JeffM | jftsang, step in and see why |
| 17:56.35 | Erroneous | jftsang: in branch, you can't send messages during shot fired events. |
| 17:56.45 | Erroneous | otherwise it tramples the shot message |
| 17:57.05 | mcintyem | It sounds like BZFlag would benefit foremost from GUI enhancements. Maybe that should be priority #1, even in the context of improving the server listing. |
| 17:57.39 | jftsang | ok. |
| 17:57.57 | jftsang | but I can kill them, right? |
| 17:58.07 | JeffM | jftsang, you should yes |
| 17:58.13 | JeffM | but you don't know what is happening |
| 17:58.19 | Erroneous | kill doesn't send a message right away? |
| 17:58.28 | JeffM | is it even calling the kill function |
| 17:58.49 | JeffM | jftsang, what version of the server are you running |
| 17:58.55 | JeffM | Erroneous, text message then kill player ;) |
| 17:59.01 | jftsang | 2.0.11 |
| 17:59.06 | JeffM | current code? |
| 17:59.09 | JeffM | like latest? |
| 17:59.14 | jftsang | yep |
| 17:59.20 | JeffM | then should be good |
| 17:59.21 | Erroneous | the shot fired event is called while it's packing the message iirc, so if you try to send a different message it'll kill the buffer. unless you fixed that in branch. |
| 17:59.33 | JeffM | I fixed it for text |
| 17:59.35 | JeffM | not for kill |
| 17:59.37 | JeffM | so that's why |
| 17:59.44 | JeffM | jftsang, use trunk :) |
| 17:59.58 | jftsang | :) |
| 18:00.01 | JeffM | or send the kill in tick |
| 18:00.11 | jftsang | k. |
| 18:00.42 | Erroneous | yeah, you can always queue your own events and fire the messages in tick |
| 18:00.49 | Erroneous | probably the safest thing to do in branch |
| 18:01.57 | donny_baker | mcintyem: all mentors would be your mentor, we take a group approach... one would be assigned as the mentor who does the reporting |
| 18:02.57 | L4m3r | so be nice to that one |
| 18:02.59 | L4m3r | :P |
| 18:03.07 | spldart | hehe |
| 18:15.08 | blast007 | :) |
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| 18:23.18 | mcintyem | donny_baker: :) Thanks. |
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| 18:33.11 | jftsang | http://pastebin.com/d3cc847ba |
| 18:33.14 | jftsang | so like this? |
| 18:33.37 | jftsang | (I've already declared toKill and given it a value of -1) |
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| 19:01.57 | Wyk3d | hmm the status of my application is now "Reviewer assigned" .. is it supposed to show who that is somewhere or may I ask ? :) |
| 19:15.05 | Manu | Wyk3d: be patient ;) |
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| 19:53.32 | jftsang | netsplit? |
| 19:53.32 | brlcad | happens |
| 19:54.06 | jftsang | http://pastebin.com/d3cc847ba |
| 19:54.06 | Winny | brlcad: drupal |
| 19:54.06 | Winny | :P |
| 19:54.06 | jftsang | is this code crrect? |
| 19:54.06 | brlcad | Winny: thx |
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| 19:55.16 | Erroneous | jftsang: yes, assuming you init toKill correctly on startup, and don't expect more than one person to violate the rules in any one tick |
| 19:55.29 | jftsang | ok thanks |
| 19:55.59 | jftsang | so I've already got int toKill = 1; at the beginning of the file |
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| 19:59.19 | jftsang | nope, I don't seem to be dying when I shoot without a flag? |
| 20:05.09 | Erroneous | you registered for both events? |
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| 20:14.10 | jftsang | *censored* |
| 20:14.16 | jftsang | Erroneous, nope :) |
| 20:14.48 | Erroneous | :) |
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| 20:22.05 | Winny | can VC not compile individual cpp files? |
| 20:22.54 | JeffM | Winny, it needs a proejct |
| 20:23.00 | Winny | figured |
| 20:23.05 | JeffM | cus it needs to know what to complie it into |
| 20:23.11 | JeffM | tho you can do it from the comamndline |
| 20:23.20 | JeffM | nmake probably |
| 20:23.42 | JeffM | is the file an application in itself? |
| 20:24.02 | Winny | is doing cpp tutorials |
| 20:24.07 | Winny | so, yeah :p |
| 20:24.15 | JeffM | then just make a new command line app |
| 20:24.22 | Lukstr | Winny: nice |
| 20:24.31 | JeffM | that will make a sample file for oyu |
| 20:24.39 | JeffM | just replace it's contents |
| 20:24.58 | Lukstr | if you want some good problem solving for C/C++, I know a good one |
| 20:25.13 | Lukstr | as in, website to practice on |
| 20:25.19 | JeffM | nn64, did you get my e-mail? |
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| 20:25.46 | Winny | Lukstr sure, what is it? :) |
| 20:25.49 | nn64 | checking |
| 20:25.51 | mcintyem | the compiler tool is called cl.exe and the linker is called link.exe, but if you do work from the command line, run vcvars32.bat first, which should put all the right things in your path |
| 20:25.57 | Lukstr | Winny: http://www.uwp.edu/sws/usaco/ |
| 20:26.00 | Lukstr | click training |
| 20:26.16 | JeffM | mcintyem, it's easier to just build an auto-project :) |
| 20:26.31 | mcintyem | JeffM, Agreed! |
| 20:26.40 | Lukstr | Winny: though, beware some of them can take a while :P |
| 20:26.49 | Winny | :) |
| 20:27.11 | nn64 | JeffM, Just got it |
| 20:28.04 | nn64 | JeffM, How exactly in the headder do I credit him can you give me a example or line I should put up there. |
| 20:28.23 | JeffM | "Based on code from XXXX, copyright YYYYYY by ZZZZZ" |
| 20:28.38 | JeffM | then it's also good to give a link |
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| 20:31.46 | mcintyem | Woot. Just logged into my USACO account-- last visit: Nov 7, 2003 |
| 20:33.06 | whodaman- | lol. |
| 20:34.37 | mcintyem | I'm just suprised they still had my information. |
| 20:35.03 | JeffM | goes back to lego pictures |
| 20:35.35 | Winny | wonders if JeffM is at work |
| 20:35.40 | JeffM | totaly :) |
| 20:35.48 | catay | JeffM, fyi, t-shirt arrived today :) |
| 20:35.56 | JeffM | catay,whoot |
| 20:36.02 | JeffM | Winny, your's get there yet? |
| 20:36.06 | Winny | nope |
| 20:36.08 | JeffM | hmm |
| 20:36.12 | whodaman- | hah |
| 20:36.14 | JeffM | I bet the boxes take longer in customs |
| 20:36.15 | Winny | only the 7th day |
| 20:36.15 | whodaman- | Canada, eh? |
| 20:36.18 | JeffM | y eah |
| 20:36.33 | JeffM | well that's good news, at least now I know one of the internationals has gone thru |
| 20:36.39 | jftsang | you know how tanks can "bump" up small changes in height? is this not possible when the tank is bumping up onto something with matref or phydrv? |
| 20:36.53 | JeffM | that makes me feel better |
| 20:37.04 | JeffM | jftsang, no those are meshes |
| 20:37.05 | catay | yeah, i arrived pretty fast actually |
| 20:37.08 | catay | *it |
| 20:37.08 | JeffM | and they don't repsect the bump |
| 20:37.20 | JeffM | catay, yeah I figured the single envelopes would go faster |
| 20:37.24 | JeffM | was the packing ok? |
| 20:37.36 | JeffM | Erroneous and I were woried that the cardboard wouldnt' hold up |
| 20:37.51 | catay | yes it was still in one piece :) |
| 20:38.12 | catay | wasn't damaged at all |
| 20:38.27 | JeffM | good |
| 20:38.32 | JeffM | those are the cheapest way to ship em |
| 20:40.02 | Birdie | damaging a shirt which is packed is pretty hard though:) |
| 20:41.20 | JeffM | we were woried about the packing ripping |
| 20:43.06 | nn64 | JeffM, is this correct? http://rafb.net/p/4nL9p590.html |
| 20:47.13 | nn64 | JeffM, ? |
| 20:47.56 | catay | the only drawback of the envelopes is you have to ironing the t-shirt immediatley :) |
| 20:48.28 | Erroneous | heh :) |
| 20:48.48 | Erroneous | has never ironed a t-shirt |
| 20:48.52 | Winny | JeffM, ahhh |
| 20:48.55 | Winny | the tracking updated |
| 20:48.57 | Winny | "Status: Into Foreign Customs" |
| 20:49.04 | Winny | :) |
| 20:49.25 | nn64 | Winny, do you use windows |
| 20:49.31 | catay | me neither , that's were my mother jumps in :) |
| 20:49.42 | Winny | nn64, depends |
| 20:49.50 | nn64 | ah so you use both |
| 20:49.59 | nn64 | ? |
| 20:50.17 | Winny | s/both/three |
| 20:50.36 | nn64 | what versions do you prefer |
| 20:50.56 | Winny | "versions"? You mean operating system? |
| 20:51.07 | JeffM | Winny, really? cool |
| 20:51.09 | nn64 | ya I use gentoo |
| 20:51.30 | JeffM | nn64, it would be nice to put a link to his page in there too |
| 20:51.53 | JeffM | nn64, also he redid his comments on his newly released package, and translated them to english |
| 20:52.04 | JeffM | he seems like a very nice fellow |
| 20:52.10 | nn64 | JeffM, Ya :) I saw the link |
| 20:52.37 | JeffM | nn64, also do you want the version I rewrote? |
| 20:53.14 | nn64 | yes please |
| 20:54.25 | nn64 | Can you post it on http://linuxmain.net (my site) |
| 20:54.33 | JeffM | no |
| 20:54.38 | JeffM | I will throw it on my server |
| 20:54.40 | JeffM | now that it is valid |
| 20:54.45 | nn64 | ok cool |
| 20:54.59 | nn64 | whats your server |
| 20:57.39 | JeffM | hang on, I have to find a copy of the GPL |
| 20:59.52 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/code/bz/C++%20gtkbzedit-0.1.zip |
| 21:00.45 | catay | I wonder, is it a good/bad idea to replace createFunction = (createHandle)createAddr32; |
| 21:00.49 | catay | with createFunction = reinterpret_cast<createHandle>(createAddr32); |
| 21:01.09 | JeffM | IIRC reinterp casts are always better |
| 21:01.17 | catay | otherwise trunk doesn't build on my gentoo 64bit with --enable-debug |
| 21:01.48 | nn64 | catay, Yay more gentoo's :) |
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| 21:02.00 | catay | I've seen a lot of comments on inet about reinterpret_cast being unsave |
| 21:02.29 | catay | because it's system dependent and they recommened to use static_cast instead but build fails also with that |
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| 21:04.32 | drummaster1 | hey |
| 21:04.40 | JeffM | hello |
| 21:04.43 | drummaster1 | i keep having this prob |
| 21:05.12 | drummaster1 | i am unwillingly dropping the flag |
| 21:05.12 | Winny | let me guess |
| 21:05.25 | whodaman- | You drove near soxs? |
| 21:05.27 | whodaman- | ducks |
| 21:05.32 | Winny | eheh |
| 21:05.52 | drummaster1 | i have a mac |
| 21:06.16 | SpazzyMcGee | Hooray, they say we're going to have another great depression |
| 21:06.22 | drummaster1 | it used to happen on only 2 servers, now on all |
| 21:06.24 | Winny | I bet it's someone using a flag taking cheat |
| 21:06.38 | Winny | try going on a server by yourself with no one else and see if it happens |
| 21:06.43 | drummaster1 | it says my pocketloss is too high |
| 21:06.44 | nn64 | JeffM, your code is giving me a hedake |
| 21:06.54 | Winny | headache* |
| 21:07.03 | SpazzyMcGee | *ignore that, wrong chan. |
| 21:07.20 | whodaman- | lol |
| 21:07.23 | JBdiGriz | It sounds like the packetloss is causing a flag drop. What is your network connection? |
| 21:07.32 | drummaster1 | i already tried going to an empty server |
| 21:07.33 | catay | throws some prozac at SpazzyMcGee :P |
| 21:07.36 | nn64 | JeffM, classes are to confusing |
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| 21:08.03 | JeffM | nn64, not really |
| 21:08.07 | drummaster1 | wats rong pocketloss is too high |
| 21:08.07 | JeffM | they are just like your structs |
| 21:08.20 | JBdiGriz | drummaster1: What is your network connection? |
| 21:08.24 | drummaster1 | wat should i do |
| 21:08.28 | JeffM | catay, we use reinterp casts in other places, so that's fine |
| 21:08.38 | JeffM | please just go and commit the change you need to build |
| 21:08.44 | drummaster1 | wat u mean JBdiGriz |
| 21:08.54 | catay | yah, i'll submit it |
| 21:08.57 | drummaster1 | i have safari on a mac |
| 21:09.04 | JeffM | catay, no commit it |
| 21:09.14 | Erroneous | :) |
| 21:09.14 | JeffM | I'm tired of applying your patches |
| 21:09.19 | JeffM | and contratulations |
| 21:09.20 | Winny | drummaster1: That is not your connection |
| 21:09.20 | JBdiGriz | You are connected to the network via dialup, DSL, cable modem, something else. |
| 21:09.23 | catay | hehe |
| 21:09.27 | nn64 | JeffM, except they have dissapearing things and "Point operator -= ( const Point& p )" code like that that i have no idea what its doing |
| 21:09.27 | catay | Thanks :) |
| 21:09.34 | JBdiGriz | Are you using a wireless connection? |
| 21:09.39 | drummaster1 | oh. wireless comcast |
| 21:09.43 | JeffM | nn64, that lets you do point1 = point2 -point 3 |
| 21:10.09 | Erroneous | nn64: nothing disappears. and operator overloads are cool. point -= point in your example, just like int -= int. |
| 21:10.19 | JBdiGriz | It sounds like the wireless connection is having problems. Get in touch with comcast. |
| 21:10.24 | JeffM | intead of point1.x = point2.x - point3.x; point1.y = point2.y - point3.y; point1.z = point2.z - point3.z; |
| 21:10.27 | nn64 | you have to tell it to allow you to do that ? crasy |
| 21:10.37 | Erroneous | not to allow, you have to tell it HOW |
| 21:10.40 | JeffM | nn64, how else does it know how to do it? |
| 21:10.42 | drummaster1 | no its fine 100% great |
| 21:10.44 | JeffM | you could not do that in C |
| 21:11.04 | JeffM | catay, if you have issues setting up your SVN to commit, let us know |
| 21:11.06 | JBdiGriz | It's obviously not 100% great if you are dropping packets. |
| 21:11.32 | JeffM | catay, and you can go apply your other patches and close them out |
| 21:11.33 | catay | JeffM: I will, gonna read the wiki stuff first |
| 21:11.50 | JeffM | catay, ok, the big thing to get is the autoprops or whatever they are called |
| 21:11.56 | drummaster1 | i just had a guuy fix it earlier 2day |
| 21:12.01 | JeffM | and just be safe, if you have any questions, ask |
| 21:12.08 | JeffM | and try not to break stuff :) |
| 21:12.19 | catay | i'll be gentle :) |
| 21:12.24 | JeffM | I'm sure you'll be fine |
| 21:13.09 | JeffM | nn64, in genreal the clases made it so that 275 instances of g-> were not needed all over the code |
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| 21:13.24 | drummaster1 | what can i do to prevent from regularly dropping flags |
| 21:13.25 | JeffM | I admit the singletons are probbly slightly confusing |
| 21:13.39 | JeffM | just treat them as globals :) |
| 21:13.47 | drummaster1 | and why does it say my pocketloss is too high |
| 21:13.56 | Winny | because you are dropping packets |
| 21:13.59 | mib_qqh8nm | Anyone: jumpVelocity = how far you can jump, or the initial vertical velocity? |
| 21:14.01 | Winny | because your connection is broken |
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| 21:14.10 | JeffM | mib_qqh8nm, velocity |
| 21:14.14 | Ebert | maybe he's on wireless |
| 21:14.20 | drummaster1 | i am |
| 21:14.31 | JeffM | drummaster1, get off wireless and try it |
| 21:14.32 | Ebert | there's your sign |
| 21:14.47 | drummaster1 | i dont have anything else |
| 21:14.47 | Winny | wireless usually only works well for games if you're close to the router |
| 21:14.49 | JeffM | or change channels or soemthing |
| 21:15.00 | drummaster1 | i am close to the router |
| 21:15.10 | JeffM | drummaster1, you are probalby getting interfernce |
| 21:15.15 | JeffM | try changing channels |
| 21:15.27 | JeffM | but basicly your data is geting lost |
| 21:15.28 | drummaster1 | k |
| 21:15.33 | JeffM | and that is the cause of your problems |
| 21:15.39 | JeffM | the way to fix it is to make your data not get lost |
| 21:15.40 | drummaster1 | ill try the game again |
| 21:15.50 | drummaster1 | brb |
| 21:15.50 | JeffM | and that is an issue on your local network |
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| 21:38.34 | mib_9vmims | about 2.99: in mapmaking, does it support a group within a group? |
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| 21:39.21 | Constitution | I believe it does |
| 21:39.29 | mib_9vmims | YEESSSH |
| 21:39.37 | Constitution | try it and see |
| 21:39.52 | Winny | 2.0 supports it, so I assume 2.99.x does |
| 21:40.03 | mib_9vmims | 2.0 does not support it |
| 21:40.14 | Winny | uh, yes it does |
| 21:40.17 | Winny | I've done it before |
| 21:40.24 | mib_9vmims | which version of 2.0 |
| 21:40.38 | Winny | uh |
| 21:41.36 | Erroneous | I have several maps that use nested groups extensively, from 2.0.2 or so |
| 21:41.58 | mib_9vmims | hm i'll try it again then |
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| 21:46.08 | nn64 | JeffM, Another thing I don't like about classes is that all the programs vars are spread all over the place which I don't like. I like all my vars in one small area ( global.h) |
| 21:46.42 | mib_9vmims | nn64: i agree :D |
| 21:47.19 | JeffM | nn64, you group them by what they go with, not just all shoved into one common place |
| 21:47.23 | JeffM | makes finding them easier |
| 21:47.30 | JeffM | it's called modularity |
| 21:48.00 | nn64 | JeffM, how about printing you have to shuffle a lot of paper :) |
| 21:48.09 | JeffM | noone prints man |
| 21:48.11 | Winny | dude don't print your code |
| 21:48.11 | nn64 | to find the name o f a var. |
| 21:48.20 | JeffM | use your editor |
| 21:48.21 | mib_9vmims | i print |
| 21:48.22 | JBdiGriz | etags, not paper |
| 21:48.35 | nn64 | Winny, i onily print the file with the var names |
| 21:48.45 | JeffM | nn64, get a real editor and learn how to use it |
| 21:48.53 | KingofCamelot | I had to print out code today to turn in homework today...seemed like such a waste of paper, heh |
| 21:49.06 | nn64 | lol |
| 21:49.14 | nn64 | you should see my room |
| 21:49.20 | JeffM | no thanks |
| 21:49.28 | Erroneous | KingofCamelot: you don't submit electronically? |
| 21:49.37 | nn64 | Statacks of paper all over the place :) |
| 21:49.52 | Winny | heh |
| 21:50.03 | JeffM | nn64, that dosn't mean you are normal |
| 21:50.04 | Erroneous | I don't think I had a single CS class that didn't do electronic submission (due at midnight or 1am usually, too) |
| 21:50.08 | KingofCamelot | Erroneous, we did last quarter, but this quarter we have to print it out and turn it in, which seems pretty illogical |
| 21:50.21 | Erroneous | huh |
| 21:50.23 | Erroneous | wierd |
| 21:50.44 | KingofCamelot | Not to mention he didn't collect it in class, we had to go to some building across campus to put it in the homework box, lol |
| 21:51.16 | KingofCamelot | But I guess if he wants to make his TAs grade 10 pages of code every week, that's his choice |
| 21:51.20 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:51.25 | JeffM | homework.. box.... that is so 20th centry |
| 21:51.39 | Erroneous | you should totally introduce subtle errors that make your programs not compile |
| 21:51.40 | KingofCamelot | Indeed, lol |
| 21:51.50 | Erroneous | and see if the TAs catch it, without the electronic version :) |
| 21:51.56 | Winny | haha |
| 21:52.07 | KingofCamelot | I doubt they would without the electronic version, no one would bother to type it in to test it, heh |
| 21:52.11 | Erroneous | or that make your program do things that aren't expected |
| 21:52.23 | Erroneous | practice for the obfuscated c contest :) |
| 21:52.31 | Constitution | lol |
| 21:52.34 | KingofCamelot | lol |
| 21:54.37 | whodaman- | lol |
| 21:56.54 | JeffM | nn64, have you ever tried just reading your code on the computer? |
| 21:56.58 | JeffM | and using searches to find stuff? |
| 21:57.09 | JeffM | or maybe using kdev? |
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| 21:58.33 | Erroneous | or emacs, or vim |
| 21:59.00 | JeffM | thats what I meant for searches :) |
| 22:00.31 | Erroneous | seems like a bit of a stretch to call that a search, but whatever :) |
| 22:00.56 | KingofCamelot | I've grown rather fond of Notepad++ on Windows for viewing code |
| 22:01.09 | me1 | notepad++? |
| 22:01.09 | KingofCamelot | I like the color coding and collapsable loops :) |
| 22:01.40 | KingofCamelot | @me1, http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm |
| 22:02.42 | Erroneous | ew, frames |
| 22:03.07 | KingofCamelot | lol |
| 22:03.15 | me1 | Does it do linux? :P |
| 22:04.16 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03catay * r16987 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (MessageUtilities.cxx SharedObjectLoader.cxx): |
| 22:04.16 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: Fix to make it build on linux 64bit with --enable-debug. |
| 22:04.16 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: - replaced C cast notation cast with reinterpret_cast |
| 22:04.16 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: - replaced %lld formatting for intmax_t in sscanf with %jd |
| 22:04.16 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: Changes were tested both on linux 32/64 bit. |
| 22:04.27 | KingofCamelot | Unfortunately not |
| 22:04.30 | catay | yay :) |
| 22:04.48 | Erroneous | there are plenty of good editors on unixlike systems |
| 22:04.56 | Erroneous | ~catay++ |
| 22:05.19 | catay | ty :) |
| 22:06.21 | catay | gonna check in the others tomorrow, bedtime now :) |
| 22:06.27 | catay | nite folks |
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| 22:08.00 | JeffM | ok, second printing shirt and hoodie pre-orders are up at http://store.bzflag.bz/ |
| 22:08.32 | JeffM | from now till the end of Sunday April 27th |
| 22:08.40 | Winny | tempting, but I'll have to pass ;) |
| 22:08.45 | JeffM | I figured |
| 22:08.48 | JeffM | but for others |
| 22:09.01 | JeffM | you are lucky Winny you get the mil green one, it looked nice |
| 22:09.15 | JeffM | I'd have kept it if you didn't buy it. |
| 22:09.22 | spldart | Sweet! I'm making my order tonight |
| 22:09.28 | Winny | feels bad now |
| 22:09.36 | JeffM | Winny, why? |
| 22:09.44 | JeffM | I'll just get one thist time :) |
| 22:09.57 | JeffM | I got the pine one instead, and it's nice |
| 22:10.30 | JeffM | I did add a note about shipping an hoodies to the page too |
| 22:11.47 | Constitution | yay, more hoodies |
| 22:12.16 | Winny | hehe |
| 22:12.53 | JeffM | and more shirt colors |
| 22:13.03 | JeffM | I basicly listed every color that wasn't too light |
| 22:13.10 | me1 | do the hoodies have other colors? |
| 22:13.15 | JeffM | yeah a few |
| 22:13.16 | JeffM | navy |
| 22:13.18 | JeffM | red |
| 22:13.23 | JeffM | and "dark chocholate" |
| 22:13.27 | Constitution | cool... got enough sharpies? |
| 22:13.34 | JeffM | chocolate |
| 22:13.39 | Constitution | ah |
| 22:13.59 | Winny | :o |
| 22:14.01 | JeffM | they arnt' available in as many colors as the shirts |
| 22:14.18 | JeffM | tho they did add some more print colors and new items this time |
| 22:14.46 | JeffM | there is a better version of brlcad's shirt |
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| 22:15.37 | JeffM | I didn't list gray, ash, sand, pink, light blue, or white for the hoodies, cus our print has a lot of white |
| 22:15.59 | Winny | pink! pink! I want a pink one. |
| 22:16.03 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:16.15 | JeffM | there is also an "indigo blue" but I figured we already had navy |
| 22:16.48 | JeffM | now was there anyone who actualy wanted a XXXL hoodie? |
| 22:16.50 | JeffM | cus I can do them |
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| 22:16.54 | JeffM | but they are a difrent brand |
| 22:17.01 | JeffM | and look to be lower quality |
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| 22:33.50 | brlcad | catay: congratulations :) |
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| 22:57.06 | spldart | How close is that goal for the shirt sales btw? |
| 22:57.45 | JeffM | goal? |
| 22:57.54 | JeffM | for non preorder stuff, we are just about broken even |
| 22:58.05 | spldart | That's what I was wondering |
| 22:58.08 | JeffM | with your preorder, we are over our input funds |
| 22:58.25 | JeffM | and we have now officialy sold out of one size :) |
| 22:58.39 | Winny | XXXL? :p |
| 22:58.39 | spldart | Yay |
| 22:58.44 | spldart | ah man |
| 22:58.46 | spldart | dude |
| 22:58.54 | spldart | I'm not fat I'm just big boneded |
| 22:59.10 | spldart | :-p |
| 22:59.21 | JeffM | XXL |
| 22:59.32 | JeffM | I didn't buy any XXXL for regular stock |
| 22:59.42 | Winny | oh |
| 22:59.48 | JeffM | so we never had any of those to sell to anyone |
| 22:59.51 | spldart | Yeah.. the XL's are a touch smaller than normal xl and I like baggy shirts |
| 22:59.53 | JeffM | just the 3 that had told me they wanted them |
| 23:00.09 | JeffM | comments spldart's wife on her color choice |
| 23:00.46 | spldart | comment? or compliment |
| 23:00.55 | JBdiGriz | probably commends |
| 23:00.59 | spldart | She says thank you :~) |
| 23:01.20 | spldart | She's a sick little puppy.. taking her ibuprofen and robitussin dm |
| 23:05.53 | JeffM | sorry |
| 23:05.56 | JeffM | commend |
| 23:06.25 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, when you gommin go get your hoodie? or do you want me to shipp it to you? |
| 23:06.59 | JBdiGriz | I'll be up in a couple of weeks. I have to drive by, and I owe you a beer. |
| 23:07.07 | JeffM | k |
| 23:07.30 | JeffM | I leave it in the box of lonely items |
| 23:07.59 | JeffM | tho then I don't have to give to the large item packing expert |
| 23:08.21 | spldart | is working on his managers laptop again.. infested with viruses to the point of booting to bsod |
| 23:09.31 | Winny | whodaman-: heh |
| 23:09.42 | whodaman- | Winny, not funny |
| 23:11.33 | JeffM | ok, so spldart wins the contest for largest store order... evar |
| 23:11.56 | JeffM | you even beat SGI |
| 23:12.16 | spldart | Really? |
| 23:12.21 | spldart | Sweet |
| 23:12.33 | JeffM | between the 2 of you, you've nearly cleaned out mediums |
| 23:13.00 | spldart | Glad to be a good customer :) And I'll have some happy teens |
| 23:13.13 | Winny | "dad I don't want to wear your nerd shirts" |
| 23:13.24 | JeffM | "We want mom's color" |
| 23:13.42 | spldart | can't wait to hear stories from them about their shirts @ junior high and highschool |
| 23:14.25 | spldart | Perhaps there will be a sudden influx of trolls from the sugarland area.. |
| 23:14.26 | spldart | heh |
| 23:14.58 | Winny | peter4b has cloned himself? |
| 23:14.58 | Winny | oh.. |
| 23:15.47 | spldart | He's 25 miles from me.. roughly |
| 23:16.04 | spldart | NW Houston.. I'm North Sugar Land ;) |
| 23:16.12 | spldart | Kinda scary :-/ |
| 23:17.18 | JeffM | well I've sent the printers an email so I should know about polo's tomorow hopefully. |
| 23:17.29 | spldart | Kew |
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| 23:17.51 | JeffM | they hav them in the books they sent with the order, but not on the website |
| 23:18.03 | JeffM | if we can order from the books too, then I may do a raglan too |
| 23:19.31 | spldart | sounds kewl, wife might be interested in one of those too heh |
| 23:23.09 | Think_Differentl | wants a bzflag tie |
| 23:23.14 | Winny | -_- |
| 23:23.21 | JeffM | heh |
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| 23:26.59 | spldart | Ah geez.. managers laptop.. win 2k and wont even boot safe mode.. just reboots :( |
| 23:27.20 | spldart | goes to pull the drive |
| 23:27.48 | Winny | was he the one with the pr0n habit? |
| 23:28.01 | spldart | think so |
| 23:28.11 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:28.12 | Winny | surprise |
| 23:28.13 | brlcad | it's not a habit, it's a way of life |
| 23:28.28 | spldart | He said 'My kids just go everywhere on the web and get in infested though heh |
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| 23:28.44 | spldart | 6 and 8 years old |
| 23:28.49 | Winny | lemme guess, running IE 6? |
| 23:29.10 | Think_Differentl | wooot, IE FTW |
| 23:29.11 | spldart | No clue... it wont boot.. and I last worked on it a year ago heh |
| 23:29.37 | Think_Differentl | spldart, make sure you install teh awesom n0rt0nz! |
| 23:29.39 | spldart | It only took 4 hours to fix it then :) |
| 23:29.44 | Think_Differentl | that'll keep it safe :P |
| 23:29.52 | spldart | heh |
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| 23:36.27 | jared_ | 19:36 -!- 8 - #bzflag: ban *!*@*.dyn.optonline.net [by douglas.freenode.net, 1145321 secs ago] |
| 23:36.33 | jared_ | You block my whole ISP :( |
| 23:37.16 | JeffM | was probably being used for an attack |
| 23:37.30 | jared_ | Anyway, I want to use a flag with BZFlag on my Mac.. but I want to do it the GUI way. Where it says "Map: Random" - I want to know where the maps directory is so I can just plop a map in there without a configuration file. |
| 23:37.37 | jared_ | Do you know where that directory is? |
| 23:37.51 | JeffM | it's easier to use the command line |
| 23:37.58 | jared_ | ... |
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| 23:38.36 | JeffM2501 | I'm not sure off the top of my head what dir it looks for on the mac |
| 23:39.08 | jared_ | Is there definitely an existant one? |
| 23:39.16 | JeffM2501 | there should be one |
| 23:39.23 | JeffM2501 | if it works or not, I don't know |
| 23:39.24 | CBG | What dir is that? |
| 23:39.31 | JeffM2501 | where the worlds are stored on the mac |
| 23:39.35 | JeffM2501 | for the start server gui |
| 23:39.39 | whodaman- | ah |
| 23:39.42 | whodaman- | I'll tell ya |
| 23:40.01 | CBG | ~/Library/Application Support/BZFlag/worlds |
| 23:40.02 | whodaman- | ok |
| 23:40.05 | whodaman- | whatever |
| 23:40.18 | whodaman- | ~CBG-- |
| 23:40.23 | CBG | ta |
| 23:40.30 | JeffM2501 | ibot CBG++ |
| 23:40.30 | CBG | pretty easy to remember |
| 23:40.40 | CBG | ... |
| 23:40.44 | whodaman- | JeffM2501, he's a -- guy |
| 23:40.46 | JeffM2501 | stupid 10 second wait time :( |
| 23:40.46 | whodaman- | ~karma CBG |
| 23:40.46 | ibot | cbg has karma of -523 |
| 23:40.51 | JeffM2501 | he'll live |
| 23:41.33 | CBG | dies |
| 23:41.33 | whodaman- | he likes it the other way :p |
| 23:41.33 | JeffM2501 | rolls his eyes |
| 23:41.33 | CBG | Indeed. |
| 23:41.33 | spldart | ~CBG-- |
| 23:41.33 | spldart | have fun |
| 23:41.33 | jared_ | CBG: There is no worlds, should I mkdir? |
| 23:41.39 | JeffM2501 | jared_, try and see :) |
| 23:41.40 | CBG | Wow. I think I'm about to lose all respect for Tanya Byron, if MCV is to believed. WoW, childish? *sigh* |
| 23:41.46 | JBdiGriz | Some people like it one way, some people like it another way. Some people like it both ways. |
| 23:41.50 | CBG | jared_: what version of BZ is installed? |
| 23:41.58 | whodaman- | JBdiGriz, true dat |
| 23:42.43 | CBG | Any of you folks aware of the game classification debate over here of late and more specifically, the Byron review? |
| 23:42.51 | jared_ | 2.0.10 |
| 23:43.14 | CBG | jared_: does the ~/Library/Application Support/BZFlag/ dir exist? |
| 23:44.13 | Winny | ~CBG-- |
| 23:44.39 | me1 | ibot, CBG-- |
| 23:44.44 | jared_ | CBG: Yes. |
| 23:44.54 | jared_ | CBG: I made the directory inside of it and it worked, thanks. |
| 23:45.00 | JeffM2501 | huzha |
| 23:45.07 | CBG | Ok, good. mkdir should be alright. I guess the worlds dir isn't created until you /saveworld |
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| 23:45.24 | JeffM2501 | most of our dirs arn't untill we write a file to there |
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| 23:51.56 | jared | == jared_ |
| 23:52.04 | jared | From the ISP that was blocked :) |
| 23:52.48 | CBG | ZOMG |
| 23:53.32 | jbinder | lol |
| 23:54.05 | Winny | I couldn't have guessed |
| 23:55.21 | JeffM2501 | why was it blocked? |
