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| 00:02.28 | JeffM | ibot seen jclardy88 |
| 00:02.30 | ibot | JeffM: i haven't seen 'jclardy88' |
| 00:02.35 | JeffM | tisk tisk |
| 00:03.38 | JeffM | hopes that Dv0 does a patch so that he can have a cleanup project that is actualy valid |
| 00:03.40 | Constitution | that's not even registered, nore in seenserv |
| 00:07.04 | Constitution | nor |
| 00:07.05 | Constitution | * |
| 00:07.34 | JeffM | it's the name I have on the application :) |
| 00:07.49 | JeffM | that means it's now off my "would mentor" list |
| 00:09.16 | JeffM | "kibiz0r" is working his way off that list too |
| 00:17.17 | Winny | just remove anyone with a number in their name ;) |
| 00:17.42 | JeffM | /kick JeffM2501 |
| 00:18.03 | Winny | :) |
| 00:19.10 | JeffM | ooo.. gonna have to take a couple points off for that one then |
| 00:19.20 | C0n5t1tut10n | uh-oh |
| 00:19.51 | Constitution | but at least that indicates that there were some points present to begin with ;) |
| 00:25.32 | Winny | hehe |
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| 00:28.36 | JeffM | whohoo, only one more XXL shirt left |
| 00:29.08 | JeffM | looks at the massive stack of mediums |
| 00:29.58 | Constitution | orders a medium for his brother's birthday |
| 00:32.30 | donny_baker | loves his olive shirt |
| 00:33.07 | Winny | will love his shirt once it arrives |
| 00:33.42 | donny_baker | redirects winny's shirt through Siberia |
| 00:33.57 | Winny | woo |
| 00:34.05 | Winny | Chilled shirt |
| 00:34.12 | JeffM | Winny, where does tracking say it's at? |
| 00:34.39 | Winny | "Status: Electronic Shipping Info Received" -- I doubt they track international packages |
| 00:34.45 | JeffM | probalby not :( |
| 00:35.07 | Winny | It'll be a surprise :D |
| 00:35.10 | JeffM | bets customs is all opening it and stuff |
| 00:35.49 | JeffM | I think you'll like the military green one |
| 00:36.26 | Winny | They all look awesome |
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| 00:44.50 | Ride- | anyone want to Come play some BZFlag at Winter Park |
| 00:44.57 | javawizard2539 | What server? |
| 00:45.08 | Ride- | maps.bzflag.uni.cc:9101 |
| 00:45.23 | javawizard2539 | I can play for around 5 minutes but then I'm eating dinner |
| 00:45.27 | Ride- | everyone is invited.... lol |
| 00:45.29 | Ride- | ok |
| 00:45.34 | Ride- | sounds good to me |
| 00:45.40 | Ride- | see you there |
| 00:45.41 | javawizard2539 | 2.0.10 or 2.99.x? |
| 00:45.52 | Ride- | 2.0.10 |
| 00:46.02 | Ride- | anyone else can come to! |
| 00:48.07 | JeffM | we can be heroes.. just for one day..... |
| 00:49.15 | Winny | If you sing/chant, it makes me want to rickroll |
| 00:49.30 | JeffM | JUST FOR ONE DAY! |
| 00:50.20 | JeffM | This was a trimph... I'm making a note here... huge sucsess! |
| 00:50.32 | JeffM | we do what we must.. because we can.. |
| 00:50.37 | Winny | oh boy :( |
| 00:50.38 | JeffM | for the good of all of us |
| 00:50.43 | JeffM | except the ones who are dead |
| 00:51.02 | JeffM | apperantly that's hillarious to play on rockband |
| 00:51.25 | brlcad | wears his new bzflag tee |
| 00:52.07 | brlcad | JeffM: not bad quality -- like it |
| 00:52.17 | JeffM | the shirt light enough? |
| 00:52.28 | JeffM | it weighs like 1/2 of the regular |
| 00:53.09 | brlcad | not *quite* as good feel as the micro polycotton, but not bad to say the least |
| 00:53.25 | brlcad | *way* better than the gsoc beefy |
| 00:54.10 | SportChick | wavicles |
| 00:54.23 | *** part/#bzflag tonyb486 (n=tonyb@xen1.tonybox.net) |
| 00:54.26 | JeffM | well that gildan regular one is better then a beffy :) |
| 00:54.30 | brlcad | howdy sportclavicle |
| 00:54.33 | JeffM | hey SportChick how's it going |
| 00:54.41 | SportChick | good, you, JeffM ? |
| 00:54.45 | JeffM | acceptable |
| 00:55.22 | JeffM | I'd be better if I coudl sell some medium shirts :) |
| 00:55.30 | JeffM | no love for the medium |
| 00:55.32 | JeffM | :( |
| 00:56.14 | Think_Differentl | I'll buy one...eventually. :P |
| 00:56.23 | JeffM | when we have blue? |
| 00:56.38 | Winny | Send a pack of blue magic markers with it |
| 00:56.39 | JeffM | if I don't sell the gray mediums I ain't printing any blue medium ;) |
| 00:57.15 | Think_Differentl | I might buy one grey to help it along. I like the green. I'd definitely get a green medium. |
| 00:57.44 | JeffM | well for the reprint you'll be able to buy whatever you want :) |
| 00:57.54 | Think_Differentl | heh |
| 00:57.56 | JeffM | I'm just going to have pulldowns for colors and sizes |
| 00:58.01 | spldart | What are you down to on the current mediums? |
| 00:58.04 | Think_Differentl | that's smart. |
| 00:58.19 | JeffM | spldart, down? |
| 00:58.24 | JeffM | haven't sold a single one :) |
| 00:58.27 | JeffM | still have 12 |
| 00:58.35 | SportChick | hehe |
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| 00:58.55 | JeffM | I've sold at least one of every size except med. |
| 00:59.10 | I_Died_Once | How many more XXX's you got? |
| 00:59.17 | JeffM | Zero! |
| 00:59.27 | SportChick | hiya TimRiker |
| 00:59.28 | JeffM | ya all bought those |
| 00:59.33 | JeffM | I totaly should have printed more of those |
| 00:59.41 | spldart | Wish I could make my check hurry up ;) |
| 00:59.59 | JeffM | like 6 mediums and then 3 more XXXL and 3 more XXL |
| 01:00.03 | I_Died_Once | I told my self, if that shirt don't come in today, I'm going to punch an infant |
| 01:00.14 | I_Died_Once | and burn down an orphanage |
| 01:00.27 | I_Died_Once | then the shirt arrived |
| 01:00.37 | I_Died_Once | so everyone gets a reprise |
| 01:00.38 | Ride- | where can i learn C++ |
| 01:00.40 | Winny | And you did it anyways? |
| 01:00.45 | Winny | google it, Ride- |
| 01:00.46 | JeffM | Ride-, the internet |
| 01:00.50 | I_Died_Once | THIS TIME |
| 01:00.55 | JeffM | google C++ tutorials |
| 01:00.58 | Winny | http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ |
| 01:01.09 | Ride- | Winny: Thank You |
| 01:01.18 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, still 3 days ain't bad for it going out friday. |
| 01:01.26 | Winny | I got about 30% into that one then started turing, heh |
| 01:02.14 | Ride- | JeffM: How long will it take me to learn it |
| 01:02.21 | Ride- | from the tutorials |
| 01:02.28 | Winny | as long as it takes you |
| 01:02.30 | JeffM | Ride-, depends on your effort and skill level |
| 01:02.33 | Winny | some people pick it up quickly |
| 01:02.38 | Winny | some people pick it up slowly |
| 01:02.39 | JeffM | probalby a couple weeks or so |
| 01:02.39 | Ride- | how long did it take you |
| 01:02.47 | Ride- | hmmm.... |
| 01:02.48 | JeffM | Ride-, well I went to school for it |
| 01:02.51 | JeffM | and was trained at work |
| 01:02.56 | Ride- | :O |
| 01:03.06 | JeffM | I learned my first programing language when I was 8 |
| 01:03.12 | JeffM | over a 10 week course |
| 01:03.15 | JeffM | going once a week |
| 01:03.21 | Ride- | drops his jaw |
| 01:03.23 | JeffM | or maybe I was 10 |
| 01:03.26 | JeffM | I don't remember |
| 01:03.31 | JeffM | was a freaking trash 80 |
| 01:03.32 | Ride- | well im g2g now so cya |
| 01:03.38 | Ride- | that's amazing |
| 01:03.50 | spldart | trs80 model 1 while I was about that age and Basic hehe |
| 01:03.50 | JeffM | Ride-, not really |
| 01:03.57 | JeffM | spldart, bingo |
| 01:04.07 | JeffM | then I got a comodore 64 |
| 01:04.13 | spldart | I had the vic20 |
| 01:04.18 | JeffM | I didn't learn C untill 1995 |
| 01:04.22 | spldart | made a game where a spaceship shot straight up |
| 01:04.27 | spldart | never made the badguys though |
| 01:04.33 | spldart | poke and peek baby! |
| 01:04.59 | JeffM | gotta love hardware sprites |
| 01:05.05 | JeffM | I did pascal in high school |
| 01:05.07 | JeffM | that was fun |
| 01:05.24 | JeffM | then I was mocked out of pascall at this job and into C then C++ |
| 01:07.28 | spldart | The memories! My spaceship looked like the one from Gorf and could slide left and right and shot straight up like the little ship from space invaders |
| 01:07.42 | JeffM | whoa Constitution realy did order one :) |
| 01:07.48 | JeffM | plugs in the printer |
| 01:08.03 | Winny | Turing has to be the easiest language ever... "turtleSprite (curItemPosition) := Sprite.New (turtleImg)" heh |
| 01:08.04 | spldart | After that and Apple II G where I used a hexeditor to cheat on ultima IV and all my other games |
| 01:08.51 | spldart | Then finally 486 dx2 @ 83mhz |
| 01:09.19 | spldart | win 3.1 |
| 01:09.23 | JeffM | Constitution, you want that shiped to your house not school right? |
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| 01:16.44 | JeffM | 28 shirts left |
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| 01:22.38 | FCfight | ride |
| 01:22.53 | Ride- | FCfight: go to your tab with just my name |
| 01:23.26 | FCfight | ok ride |
| 01:23.39 | Ride- | what? |
| 01:23.50 | Ride- | talk in the private message |
| 01:24.20 | Ride- | FCfight: what IRC client do you have |
| 01:24.36 | FCfight | strayer bzf |
| 01:24.41 | FCfight | brb |
| 01:24.44 | Ride- | ok |
| 01:25.04 | Ride- | aww man |
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| 01:26.31 | Constitution | JeffM: yeah |
| 01:26.51 | JeffM | you know they just say "fairserv" right? ;) |
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| 01:27.59 | Constitution | hmm? |
| 01:28.19 | bz75 | ride |
| 01:28.45 | bz75 | Ride |
| 01:28.48 | Ride- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.53 | Ride- | who is this |
| 01:29.04 | bz75 | i can get about 14 or 15 cops |
| 01:29.11 | Ride- | who is this |
| 01:29.12 | bz75 | me FC |
| 01:29.15 | Ride- | oh |
| 01:29.16 | Ride- | ok |
| 01:29.17 | JeffM | read the IP |
| 01:29.30 | bz75 | ride |
| 01:29.34 | Ride- | yes? |
| 01:29.44 | bz75 | have u gotten blast |
| 01:30.04 | bz75 | ride |
| 01:30.07 | Ride- | ok JeffM im going to go request a group and it would be nice if you could do that thing to it |
| 01:30.13 | Ride- | he hasnt answered yet |
| 01:30.21 | JeffM | Ride-,"that thing"? |
| 01:30.22 | Ride- | but ill leave him a p.m. |
| 01:30.29 | bz75 | ok |
| 01:30.34 | Ride- | JeffM: whatever it is that you do |
| 01:30.41 | JeffM | Ride-, what do you mean? |
| 01:30.47 | JeffM | you mean MAKE the group? |
| 01:31.02 | Ride- | yes, thank you you found the right word! |
| 01:31.07 | Ride- | yes do that please |
| 01:31.13 | blast007 | bz75: hmm? |
| 01:31.19 | Ride- | there he is |
| 01:31.26 | Ride- | blast we have a favor |
| 01:31.33 | bz75 | yea blast is here |
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| 01:31.48 | JeffM | Ride-, put it in the fourm, an admin will get to it when they do, bugging people about it does NOT help |
| 01:31.51 | Ride- | our GU team the Modern Warefare would like you to host a practice map for us |
| 01:32.02 | bz75 | blast |
| 01:32.05 | Ride- | JeffM: nevermind |
| 01:32.07 | blast007 | bz75: what? |
| 01:32.41 | JeffM | wow..... |
| 01:32.43 | bz75 | blast our gu team modern warfare would like u to host a practice map for us |
| 01:32.58 | Ride- | lol quoted perfectly |
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| 01:35.17 | JeffM | blast007, are you wearing your pokimon cologne again? |
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| 01:36.15 | bz92 | sry about that ride |
| 01:36.34 | bz92 | my internet quit |
| 01:37.03 | bz92 | ride |
| 01:37.25 | javawizard2539 | bz92, he's on as ride- |
| 01:37.25 | Ride- | yes? |
| 01:37.32 | javawizard2539 | nvm |
| 01:37.53 | bz92 | ok ride have u got it up |
| 01:38.00 | Ride- | i requested the groups |
| 01:38.03 | Ride- | just now |
| 01:38.10 | bz92 | k |
| 01:38.22 | donny_baker | hey guys, why not carry on this conversation in private... we really don't care |
| 01:38.33 | JeffM | bigtime |
| 01:39.08 | Think_Differentl | ~donny_baker++ |
| 01:39.10 | Ride- | bz92: talk in the private message tab |
| 01:39.14 | JeffM | Ride-, you can't requiest groups for other users |
| 01:39.21 | Ride- | i didnt |
| 01:39.22 | JeffM | the owner has to request them |
| 01:39.32 | JeffM | you wanted FC flight to be the moderator |
| 01:39.36 | JeffM | he has to request them |
| 01:39.37 | JeffM | not you |
| 01:39.49 | JeffM | that way we know he realy wants them |
| 01:39.49 | Ride- | i did that with my other group |
| 01:40.01 | JeffM | then the admin that did that, did it wrong |
| 01:40.32 | JeffM | the other group you requested was to have RIDE be the admin |
| 01:40.34 | JeffM | that is fine |
| 01:40.51 | blast007 | JeffM: apparently I am. |
| 01:41.01 | blast007 | musta grabbed the wrong one this morning |
| 01:41.50 | Lukstr | waves |
| 01:44.58 | AAA_awright | I can't get the -list option working, any ideas? |
| 01:45.10 | blast007 | AAA_awright: it works for me |
| 01:45.17 | blast007 | what are you passing it? |
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| 01:45.21 | JeffM | AAA_awright, buy a shirt |
| 01:45.36 | AAA_awright | bzflag -list "http://db.bzflag.org/db/" |
| 01:45.46 | AAA_awright | my. doesn't either |
| 01:45.50 | blast007 | try without quotes |
| 01:45.59 | AAA_awright | I did, will try again |
| 01:46.15 | AAA_awright | ...odd |
| 01:46.17 | AAA_awright | Thanks |
| 01:47.03 | AAA_awright | My server still doesn't work |
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| 01:47.42 | AAA_awright | Is there any way to bring up a prompt when not connected to a server? |
| 01:47.50 | blast007 | AAA_awright: no |
| 01:48.06 | blast007 | I always use -list at home |
| 01:48.09 | blast007 | or at least once |
| 01:48.28 | blast007 | I have a local proxy script that I pipe my clients through that filters out the servers I hate ;) |
| 01:49.33 | AAA_awright | Is there any special format? http://aaa.busyflag.org/db/ (http://aaa.busyflag.org/db/?action=LIST) still doesn't work |
| 01:51.03 | AAA_awright | It worked before, I can't figure out what is going on |
| 01:51.24 | blast007 | AAA_awright: looks like that should work |
| 01:55.46 | AAA_awright | What do the different colors represent? I have never figured it out. |
| 01:56.37 | JeffM | various server settings |
| 01:56.41 | JeffM | jump, shots, flags, etc.. |
| 02:01.00 | AAA_awright | JeffM: Do you know which option triggers blue-purple? |
| 02:01.28 | JeffM | not off the top of my head |
| 02:01.34 | JeffM | but I know mixes them |
| 02:01.42 | JeffM | more red for more shots, more blue for flags etc.. |
| 02:01.50 | JeffM | that kinda stuff |
| 02:02.24 | AAA_awright | All of the servers from my list are the same color, regardless of the shot count or other things it tells me about at the top |
| 02:02.39 | JeffM | let me look it up |
| 02:04.52 | JeffM | purple looks to be no shots |
| 02:04.55 | JeffM | one is blue |
| 02:04.58 | JeffM | 2 is green |
| 02:05.03 | JeffM | 3 is yellow |
| 02:05.12 | JeffM | more is a blend of orange -> red |
| 02:05.50 | JeffM | jumping adds green, CTF adds blue |
| 02:05.53 | JeffM | I guess |
| 02:06.02 | JeffM | it's some wierd logic |
| 02:06.25 | JeffM | your server returning a valid options ping? |
| 02:07.24 | AAA_awright | Appears so |
| 02:07.49 | AAA_awright | It says the shots vary, different modes, same color |
| 02:08.00 | JeffM | but a breakpoint in ServerMenu setSelected and step thru |
| 02:08.05 | JeffM | see what it's picking it on |
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| 02:48.04 | AAA_awright | Sending a binary server list can compress the data seny by up to 2.7 times |
| 02:48.21 | JeffM | via HTTP still? |
| 02:48.26 | AAA_awright | Yes |
| 02:48.41 | JeffM | and what does that actualy mean to a total time change in real world lookups? |
| 02:48.42 | AAA_awright | Well, this doesn't include the headers, do it is irrelevent. |
| 02:49.16 | AAA_awright | This is getting the data from the database each time, likely it would be cached. I'm gonna check total time now. |
| 02:49.35 | JeffM | cache the text data too and compare it |
| 02:49.48 | JeffM | I'll be the caching will be your big boon, rather then the format the data is sent in |
| 02:50.18 | JeffM | then you'll be comparing apples to apples |
| 02:50.26 | AAA_awright | 154ms plain text vs 139 compressed |
| 02:50.47 | JeffM | so didly squat |
| 02:51.00 | AAA_awright | That is over a fast local loopback |
| 02:51.10 | AAA_awright | Over a network, it is likely 2 times faster |
| 02:51.22 | AAA_awright | idk though |
| 02:51.23 | JeffM | I would not make that assumtion with out testing |
| 02:51.35 | JeffM | because I'll bet the time is the HTTP stuff and packet routing |
| 02:51.44 | JeffM | and you are probalby only saving a packet or 2 |
| 02:52.01 | AAA_awright | Also, this is lighttpd, which appears to be much faster then the tests I ran with Apache |
| 02:52.04 | JeffM | there are latencies with the protocll |
| 02:52.13 | JeffM | test it for real and see |
| 02:52.21 | AAA_awright | Yes, a_meteorite, you are correct, lighttpd is faster, I am wrong, you are right |
| 02:53.24 | AAA_awright | Those numbers were from ApacheBenchmark, with 50 tests averaged together |
| 02:53.27 | blast007 | test it over AOL dialup |
| 02:53.38 | AAA_awright | Heh :) |
| 02:53.41 | AAA_awright | Anyone want to test? |
| 02:53.46 | JeffM | just make sure the tests you do compare the same things |
| 02:54.07 | AAA_awright | Save the output of "ab -n 50 http://aaa.busyflag.org/db/?action=LIST" and "ab -n 50 http://aaa.busyflag.org/db/?action=LIST&m=b" |
| 02:54.52 | AAA_awright | The only thing changed is the data format, yeah. |
| 02:55.07 | AAA_awright | Even the MySQL query is the same |
| 02:56.43 | AAA_awright | blast007: Are you able to do that? |
| 02:57.11 | JeffM | I get the exact same result with both |
| 02:57.13 | JeffM | they time out |
| 02:57.26 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:57.34 | AAA_awright | Time out...? |
| 02:57.45 | JeffM | time.... out... |
| 02:57.55 | AAA_awright | Sorry, where is it timing out then |
| 02:57.59 | JeffM | error 7000, time out exceeded |
| 02:58.08 | AAA_awright | Odd. With ab? |
| 02:58.11 | JeffM | yep |
| 02:59.29 | AAA_awright | Try making it 5-10, maybe? |
| 02:59.43 | JeffM | I closed the ssh session |
| 02:59.49 | AAA_awright | Hm. |
| 03:00.37 | JeffM | and now I'm going home :) |
| 03:01.01 | AAA_awright | Bye |
| 03:01.48 | AAA_awright | Lets try packing the server list into XML, see how much that hurts it >:D |
| 03:02.39 | blast007 | this is taking forever.. |
| 03:04.04 | AAA_awright | My router says something is running |
| 03:06.30 | Lukstr | transferring the internets? |
| 03:08.14 | blast007 | it's still running... |
| 03:08.25 | blast007 | oh, just finished! |
| 03:08.46 | blast007 | averaged 8.82 seconds per request :P |
| 03:11.05 | AAA_awright | blast007: Plain text version? With no m=b? |
| 03:12.28 | blast007 | plain text |
| 03:12.34 | blast007 | running the other one now |
| 03:12.42 | blast007 | this is off my dedidcated server |
| 03:13.09 | blast007 | I assume you're running this off a really crappy host/connection? :P |
| 03:13.09 | AAA_awright | XML is twice as big, and 3.8 times as large as the compressed binary version |
| 03:13.15 | AAA_awright | Home connection |
| 03:13.44 | blast007 | 4.8 seconds average for the m=b one |
| 03:13.58 | blast007 | I'd like to see it run from a real server though |
| 03:14.01 | AAA_awright | Yeah |
| 03:14.11 | AAA_awright | Despite the name, cox is not sucky |
| 03:14.19 | AAA_awright | :p |
| 03:14.22 | blast007 | do you have a patch for it? |
| 03:14.39 | AAA_awright | No, this is something from scratch |
| 03:14.48 | blast007 | k? |
| 03:14.57 | blast007 | you rewrote the list server? |
| 03:15.01 | AAA_awright | Kinda |
| 03:15.10 | blast007 | did you know that I had already started that and completed 90% of it? |
| 03:15.12 | AAA_awright | It only does listing from a database right now |
| 03:15.39 | AAA_awright | This is just something thrown together. |
| 03:15.46 | blast007 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/db/bzfls2/ |
| 03:16.13 | AAA_awright | I saw that. Too bad the rest of us are talking about a C++ daemon..... ..... |
| 03:17.08 | blast007 | that's why I stopped worked on mine ;) |
| 03:17.15 | brlcad | non-binary actually averaged 100ms faster for me |
| 03:17.40 | brlcad | not really stable numbers |
| 03:18.00 | blast007 | brlcad: might have been during my 'ab' session ;) |
| 03:18.01 | AAA_awright | Well, if two or three of you were running it at a time, this connection doesn't have THAT much bandwidth |
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| 03:18.55 | AAA_awright | The binary mode packs all the data, IPs into an unsigned long, teams into a character, etc, and gzips the server descriptions together at the end. All my (psudo-) tests have shown the biniary mode to be downloaded faster |
| 03:20.34 | AAA_awright | The BZFlag client rendering this would be interesting, you would see the host names appear, then the server descriptions, since they are in a seperate column store |
| 03:21.11 | AAA_awright | But this is extreme, I (personally) may not end up recommend doing that. |
| 03:21.56 | blast007 | again, I don't see the real delay being the sending of the data |
| 03:22.05 | blast007 | I see it more being the database calls |
| 03:22.25 | blast007 | have you tried just making it send a flat file from that script? |
| 03:22.40 | blast007 | so no database as all, no processing, just a readfile() call? |
| 03:23.10 | brlcad | or even better, already cached in memory -- just send it :) |
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| 03:24.17 | AAA_awright | blast007: Yeah, it doesn't reduce that much surprisingly |
| 03:24.40 | JeffM | how did the tests come out ;) |
| 03:25.19 | blast007 | JeffM: it line turned blue, oh wait, you mean the list server stuff? uh.... |
| 03:25.40 | blast007 | the line* |
| 03:25.58 | JeffM | heh |
| 03:25.59 | blast007 | AAA_awright: okay, I have files on my server now |
| 03:26.10 | blast007 | of the output from your script |
| 03:26.36 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/bzlist/ |
| 03:26.53 | blast007 | so ab those |
| 03:27.28 | AAA_awright | JeffM: brlcad got 100ms worse, blast got about 2x better, 4 seconds better that is. |
| 03:27.35 | AAA_awright | blast007: Doing that now |
| 03:27.41 | AAA_awright | Starting that now, I mean |
| 03:28.29 | JeffM | yeah so it's the requsting that probalby takes the time, not the actual data size |
| 03:28.56 | AAA_awright | That doesn't explain the 4 seconds loss, I don't think |
| 03:29.46 | JeffM | could depend on how the client handels the various stream types or someting |
| 03:29.46 | JeffM | or the max packet size per request,etc.. |
| 03:30.01 | AAA_awright | 361 biniary vs 527 text, from a home connection |
| 03:30.11 | AAA_awright | to a "real" server |
| 03:30.30 | JeffM | so some, but not a massive amount |
| 03:30.50 | JeffM | sounds like binary could be a last ditch optimisaiton after you get the rest of it working |
| 03:30.52 | brlcad | by the way, my average was 1300 ms so the 100ms worse is in the noise -- basically got the same |
| 03:30.57 | JeffM | the chaching will be your big thing I think |
| 03:32.27 | AAA_awright | That is easy enough. Storing it in memory should be faster, since there is no disk reads. I don't know if that really matters though. |
| 03:32.47 | JeffM | it will |
| 03:32.52 | JeffM | that will cut CPU overhead down |
| 03:32.56 | JeffM | and that's the killer now |
| 03:32.56 | blast007 | our current list server even swaps between two *databases* |
| 03:32.57 | JeffM | not bandwith |
| 03:33.02 | blast007 | so it could really be improved |
| 03:33.14 | blast007 | the list data and phpbb's stuff aren't in the same database |
| 03:34.26 | AAA_awright | That would be a problem any independent authentication system too. |
| 03:34.41 | blast007 | what would be? |
| 03:34.45 | AAA_awright | Actually, my current setup has the users and servers in the same database. |
| 03:34.58 | Lukstr | hey all |
| 03:35.06 | blast007 | AAA_awright: we would not have a script that had a "USE somedatabase" query in it :P |
| 03:35.07 | JeffM | sup |
| 03:35.12 | Lukstr | I got home way later today than I expect so I didn't have time to trudge though bug files |
| 03:35.12 | blast007 | the current bzfls.php has that |
| 03:35.17 | AAA_awright | It is in different databases from the pov of MediaWiki and phpBB though |
| 03:35.32 | blast007 | right? but we'd be using LDAP, not MySQL |
| 03:35.35 | Lukstr | maybe tomorrow morning. I think as an exercise I'll profile the code |
| 03:36.00 | AAA_awright | That is still two connections to make. I don't know if OpenLDAP even uses unix sockets, opposed to tcp or something |
| 03:36.03 | blast007 | do we wouldn't be telling mysql to close the current file it has open and then open a new one |
| 03:36.14 | brlcad | yeah, right now, it's flops between being mysqld limited and httpd limited depending on loads and requests coming in |
| 03:36.42 | JeffM | AAA_awright: have you profiled the current list server at all? |
| 03:37.00 | AAA_awright | No |
| 03:37.31 | JeffM | perhaps you should look into that so you know what areas to concentrate on, rather then picking things like the data format during trasport |
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| 03:37.42 | blast007 | AAA_awright: OpenLDAP has a unix socket too |
| 03:37.47 | JeffM | it can be very heplfull to know what to expect before you go into it |
| 03:38.10 | AAA_awright | Alright. All I know is that some PHP programs have asked for a port to connect to. |
| 03:38.13 | blast007 | at least shows something in a netstat -ap |
| 03:39.18 | mayB | hi i have modified my patch for the development version |
| 03:39.28 | Lukstr | yay, |
| 03:39.35 | JeffM | mayB: cool |
| 03:39.37 | mayB | so svn diff > FILE.patch this should do the job |
| 03:39.42 | JeffM | yeah it should |
| 03:39.43 | Lukstr | glad to hear you got everything working |
| 03:39.48 | mayB | thanks man |
| 03:40.12 | Lukstr | "patch.diff" is an equally acceptable format :P |
| 03:40.24 | mayB | where shud i run the command .... in trunk or in bzflag folder |
| 03:40.31 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:40.58 | blast007 | in the root of your SVN checkout |
| 03:41.17 | JeffM | in the bz folder basicly |
| 03:41.39 | Lukstr | finally scored a copy of Advance Wars: DS |
| 03:41.52 | mayB | ok thanks |
| 03:42.10 | blast007 | AAA_awright: how did the 'ab' results look going to my server? |
| 03:42.41 | AAA_awright | Read up, 361ms biniary vs 527ms text |
| 03:42.46 | blast007 | ah |
| 03:43.07 | blast007 | ms? |
| 03:43.11 | blast007 | yeah, nvm |
| 03:45.03 | Lukstr | would any of you personally recommend managing a web site with svn? |
| 03:45.33 | blast007 | Lukstr: I do it for my site's code. Is that what you mean? |
| 03:45.41 | Lukstr | yes |
| 03:45.48 | blast007 | then yeah, I'd recommend it |
| 03:45.49 | Lukstr | blast007: does the site's code run out of tag though? |
| 03:45.58 | blast007 | tag? |
| 03:46.07 | Lukstr | sorry, |
| 03:46.07 | blast007 | I run the trunk code on my page |
| 03:46.09 | Lukstr | as in the release |
| 03:46.12 | Lukstr | Oh okay |
| 03:46.13 | Lukstr | even better |
| 03:46.16 | Lukstr | thanks :) |
| 03:46.21 | blast007 | 'svn up' ftw |
| 03:46.46 | Lukstr | hehe |
| 03:47.15 | Lukstr | blast007: more questions on this later :) |
| 03:47.23 | blast007 | :) |
| 03:47.33 | Lukstr | night all! |
| 03:47.44 | JeffM | see ya |
| 03:47.55 | JeffM | ok, so do we ever expect to fix -solo bots? |
| 03:48.04 | blast007 | nah, just remove them |
| 03:48.07 | blast007 | ;) |
| 03:48.14 | JeffM | I'll do it |
| 03:48.19 | blast007 | heh... |
| 03:48.20 | JeffM | and I'd be ok with that |
| 03:48.26 | blast007 | I wouldn't mind |
| 03:48.31 | JeffM | I think we just need to agree |
| 03:48.35 | blast007 | I don't see a real point to them anyway |
| 03:48.39 | JeffM | if not I got shot stuff I have to fix |
| 03:48.54 | blast007 | more motivation to work on bzrobots |
| 03:49.07 | JeffM | brlcad: you cool with pulling solo bots? |
| 03:49.19 | blast007 | does bzrobots support more than one bot per bzrobots process? |
| 03:49.25 | JeffM | dunno |
| 03:49.56 | JeffM | I mean solo bots have been broken for what I can probably say now as "years" |
| 03:50.50 | JeffM | the developer that broke them has even quit and come back in that time... |
| 03:53.23 | AAA_awright | :D |
| 03:54.10 | AAA_awright | Caching shaves a network request for ~300 servers from 119ms to 72ms, both biniary |
| 03:55.38 | AAA_awright | plain text from 155ms to 58ms |
| 03:55.56 | AAA_awright | Local network |
| 03:56.01 | JeffM | so it makes text faster... awesome |
| 03:56.02 | JeffM | ;) |
| 03:56.08 | JeffM | probably also lowers CPU load too |
| 03:56.15 | JeffM | that's the key |
| 03:57.04 | AAA_awright | I am using gziped text, which I am just testing, but that is cacheable for the most part |
| 03:57.28 | AAA_awright | Unless -advertise shows different servers, but that can be handled as a special case |
| 03:58.45 | JeffM | everyone wave byebye to MsgGMUpdate |
| 04:02.37 | brlcad | JeffM: some as before -- when bzrobots actually replaces their functionality |
| 04:02.43 | JeffM | k |
| 04:02.44 | brlcad | which they don't do yet |
| 04:02.54 | JeffM | well solobots don't work ;) |
| 04:02.58 | brlcad | i noticed |
| 04:03.00 | JeffM | I went and made my changes to them |
| 04:03.05 | JeffM | they haven't worked in over 2 years |
| 04:03.09 | brlcad | I couldn't even get two windowed non-bot clients to connect |
| 04:03.27 | brlcad | second would error out |
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| 04:09.21 | AAA_awright | JeffM: Where is MsgGMUpdate going? |
| 04:09.26 | JeffM | AAA_awright: away |
| 04:09.30 | AAA_awright | By that I mean why |
| 04:09.38 | AAA_awright | and/or who is replacing it? |
| 04:09.43 | JeffM | MsgShotUpdate |
| 04:09.45 | JeffM | and the server |
| 04:09.53 | JeffM | clients don't get to drive anymore |
| 04:09.57 | AAA_awright | MsgShotUpdate is new, then? |
| 04:10.02 | JeffM | and a GM is not a special shot anymore |
| 04:10.08 | JeffM | yes MsgShotUpdate is new |
| 04:10.13 | JeffM | and applicable to any shot type |
| 04:10.17 | AAA_awright | :/ |
| 04:10.28 | AAA_awright | Theme97 will have a field day with that |
| 04:10.48 | JeffM | ? |
| 04:11.07 | AAA_awright | I can imagine a plugin now: Zig-zag bullets |
| 04:11.17 | AAA_awright | or something worse :D |
| 04:11.33 | JeffM | well right now a CLIENT can do that |
| 04:11.39 | JeffM | just dont' play on that server |
| 04:11.44 | JeffM | if you don't like it |
| 04:12.10 | delusional | theme97 is still around? |
| 04:13.14 | JeffM | you do get unlimited world weapons out of the change tho |
| 04:13.17 | AAA_awright | every month or so |
| 04:13.19 | JeffM | ok well, 2 billion |
| 04:13.22 | JeffM | or so |
| 04:13.38 | delusional | I wanted to tell him that progFlag plugin magically started working with rogues, with bzfs2.0.10 |
| 04:13.57 | delusional | previously, it was very buggy with rogues |
| 04:17.19 | AAA_awright | Tomorrow: To work on groups (for real!) |
| 04:17.38 | AAA_awright | Play around with what works, what doesn't |
| 04:19.11 | AAA_awright | I would like some help going through some current and potential usage cases of global groups, and if a specific solution would be best served with a plugin or global group, tomorrow |
| 04:19.18 | JeffM | baslic AAA_awright the entire shot system is being redone to do away with per player shots |
| 04:19.32 | JeffM | and the server can update the shot state of anyone, even the shots you fire |
| 04:19.41 | AAA_awright | JeffM: So the client just says "I fired" and the server does the rest? |
| 04:19.45 | JeffM | so they all use the same synced states |
| 04:19.47 | JeffM | AAA_awright: yep |
| 04:19.54 | JeffM | I fired, and a timestamp |
| 04:19.56 | JeffM | that's it |
| 04:20.06 | AAA_awright | Doesn't the protocol allow for the server to fire shots for players |
| 04:20.07 | JeffM | for GM there is a MsgLockOn |
| 04:20.09 | JeffM | whenyou right click |
| 04:20.15 | JeffM | AAA_awright: not currently |
| 04:20.25 | JeffM | it does in my tree tho :) |
| 04:20.26 | AAA_awright | The protocol does, the server does not |
| 04:20.31 | JeffM | the client does not |
| 04:20.33 | JeffM | that's the problem |
| 04:20.41 | JeffM | shot IDs are fixed |
| 04:20.44 | AAA_awright | Ah, for the same client |
| 04:20.48 | JeffM | and tied to the player |
| 04:20.50 | JeffM | that' is gone |
| 04:20.55 | JeffM | every shot has a GUID |
| 04:20.58 | AAA_awright | The server can forge it, but the originating client would not see it? |
| 04:21.12 | JeffM | yeah, or if you shoot too many, you may crash clients |
| 04:21.18 | JeffM | the shot lists are fixed |
| 04:21.48 | JeffM | here when you shoot, you tell the server you shot, and make the shot localy, with a temporary ID |
| 04:21.48 | AAA_awright | I don't know how it allocates ID's, but it is an unsigned short, right? |
| 04:22.03 | JeffM | then the server gives you back the real ID for the shot |
| 04:22.14 | JeffM | then the server tells everyone, including you where that shot is |
| 04:22.19 | AAA_awright | How about position? You want to get the heading accurate... |
| 04:22.27 | JeffM | so you destroy your local shot and make a new one |
| 04:22.36 | JeffM | AAA_awright: signed int |
| 04:22.52 | JeffM | AAA_awright: before you shoot, you send a playerUpdate to ensure your info is correct |
| 04:23.01 | JeffM | so shooting sends 2 messages, an update then a shot |
| 04:23.22 | AAA_awright | Hm. Wouldn't it be better to send that in one packet, if they are always together?> |
| 04:23.26 | JeffM | no |
| 04:23.34 | JeffM | one may fail |
| 04:23.45 | JeffM | we want it to be very generic |
| 04:23.56 | AAA_awright | That is the purpose of sending it in one packet |
| 04:24.03 | JeffM | if it all fails we are screwed |
| 04:24.10 | JeffM | the update can fail, the shot can not |
| 04:24.45 | JeffM | it's all packed into the same packet buffer anyway |
| 04:24.58 | JeffM | no it's not sorry |
| 04:25.03 | JeffM | shot is TCP IIRC |
| 04:25.22 | AAA_awright | Two messages in one TCP or UDP packet? |
| 04:25.34 | JeffM | update is UDP, shot is TCP IIRC |
| 04:26.01 | AAA_awright | I don't know how well that would work.... :/ |
| 04:26.11 | JeffM | the UDP goes thru |
| 04:26.16 | JeffM | and the TCP goes thru |
| 04:26.19 | AAA_awright | nearly always, yeah |
| 04:26.30 | JeffM | if you are unlucky then it uses your interpolated postion |
| 04:26.39 | JeffM | and your shot goes from there |
| 04:26.43 | JeffM | better luck next time |
| 04:26.59 | AAA_awright | That sucks if the heading is off because of that though |
| 04:26.59 | JeffM | the important point is everyone sees the same shot in the same place |
| 04:26.59 | javawizard2539 | So wouldn't it be possible to accidentally shoot yourself if that happens? |
| 04:27.07 | JeffM | AAA_awright: don't have packet loos ;) |
| 04:27.16 | JeffM | javawizard2539: we'll see |
| 04:27.19 | JeffM | we can combine them if we have to |
| 04:27.24 | javawizard2539 | Ok |
| 04:27.29 | AAA_awright | Can't count on the TCP message being delivered first though |
| 04:27.29 | JeffM | I'm not saying we wont, i'm just saying we arn't right now |
| 04:27.40 | JeffM | AAA_awright: I don't want it frist |
| 04:27.43 | JeffM | I want it second |
| 04:27.52 | JeffM | update then shot |
| 04:28.03 | AAA_awright | But that is not guaranteed |
| 04:28.06 | JeffM | no |
| 04:28.08 | JeffM | it's not |
| 04:28.13 | javawizard2539 | But UDP generally is faster anyway |
| 04:28.15 | JeffM | so we'll see how it goes |
| 04:28.21 | JeffM | yeah it should work out |
| 04:28.30 | AAA_awright | Yeah, do lots of testing, make sure it is better then one UDP packet |
| 04:28.34 | JeffM | if we have to we can pack up another update into the TCP packet |
| 04:28.48 | JeffM | AAA_awright: this mechanism has bene in trunk for months |
| 04:28.51 | JeffM | this part I am not changing |
| 04:29.00 | JeffM | I am changing how the shotID work |
| 04:29.48 | AAA_awright | two packets = twice as likely to fail, so idk |
| 04:29.49 | JeffM | and getting rid of methods like fireGMworldWep |
| 04:30.04 | javawizard2539 | A TCP packet is guaranteed not to fail |
| 04:30.05 | JeffM | AAA_awright: they would get bufferd into the same packet on the client |
| 04:30.08 | JeffM | we don't have a send thread |
| 04:30.17 | AAA_awright | But it doesn't get sent in the same IP packet |
| 04:30.21 | javawizard2539 | So that leaves just the UDP packet |
| 04:30.32 | JeffM | AAA_awright: we could merge them if we had to I'm saying |
| 04:30.42 | JeffM | our networking don't assume one message per packet |
| 04:30.57 | JeffM | a msg update and a shot begin are less then a packet size |
| 04:31.04 | JeffM | so if we have to I can pack them into one message |
| 04:31.07 | JeffM | one packet |
| 04:31.16 | AAA_awright | That sounds better |
| 04:31.21 | JeffM | it just adds 4 bytes |
| 04:31.27 | JeffM | but again, this is all OLD |
| 04:31.31 | JeffM | been this way for ages |
| 04:31.54 | JeffM | trunk hasn't trusted shot messages for a long while now |
| 04:32.16 | AAA_awright | Hm. Well, later. |
| 04:34.36 | JeffM | can not think of any rason the API would need to fire world weapons in the past.... |
| 04:39.47 | javawizard2539 | So what does everyone think of this update to the description of the SE flag? |
| 04:39.48 | javawizard2539 | See stealthed, cloaked and masquerading tanks as normal. See invisible bullets and cloaked shots. |
| 04:40.21 | JeffM | what does it say now? |
| 04:40.40 | javawizard2539 | See stealthed, cloaked and masquerading tanks as normal. See invisible bullets. |
| 04:40.53 | JeffM | then sure |
| 04:41.03 | javawizard2539 | Ok |
| 04:41.16 | JeffM | adding "and cloaked shots" is not that big of an "update" ;) |
| 04:44.06 | a_meteorite | shots from a cloaked tank aren't invisible... |
| 04:46.14 | JeffM | a_meteorite: there is a new flag |
| 04:46.20 | JeffM | for cloaked shots |
| 04:46.25 | a_meteorite | oh, I have not seen it I guess |
| 04:47.00 | a_meteorite | interesting, but I use the radar wholly so invisible bullets is much more lethal :) |
| 05:16.33 | javawizard2539 | JeffM: It's just to tell people that it works on the CS flag as well |
| 05:20.07 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03javawizard2539 * r16935 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/Flag.cxx: Added to the SE flag description, and fixed indenting for the CloakedShot line of Flag.cxx |
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| 05:25.46 | mayB | hi just few questions regarding patch ... |
| 05:26.20 | mayB | how do i include the new class that i have created .... while submiting the patch |
| 05:27.58 | JeffM | like a file? |
| 05:28.02 | JeffM | it should do that for you |
| 05:28.05 | JeffM | if not just zip the file up |
| 05:28.57 | mayB | shud i zip the .cxx .h of the new class and the patch.diff and then upload |
| 05:29.37 | JeffM | check the diff, it should have the new file in it too |
| 05:30.07 | mayB | no its not showing the new file only the file which i have changed |
| 05:31.29 | JeffM | then yeah zipp it |
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| 05:37.15 | javawizard2539 | mayB, did you try running svn add on the new file first? |
| 05:37.21 | javawizard2539 | That should make it so it shows up in the diff |
| 05:38.11 | mayB | no i didnt do add |
| 05:38.13 | mayB | on it |
| 05:38.22 | mayB | svn add filename ? |
| 05:39.53 | javawizard2539 | yep |
| 05:40.11 | javawizard2539 | you can run that in the folder with the file to add, it doesn't need to be from the top level folder that you checked out |
| 05:47.45 | mayB | thanks javawizard .... it worked :) |
| 05:51.34 | brlcad | yay for better patches |
| 05:51.44 | brlcad | is done spamming mail boxes |
| 06:06.08 | mayB | finally ............ patch submitted :) |
| 06:06.51 | JeffM | be sure to add the URL to your application |
| 06:07.02 | mayB | ohhk |
| 06:10.16 | mayB | thank you all of you guys ..... helping submit the patch |
| 06:12.20 | brlcad | mayB: heh "finally"? have you seen how old some of our patches are? :) |
| 06:13.01 | brlcad | you're lucky they need to be reviewed for gsoc (which is why they need to be important too) |
| 06:14.32 | brlcad | nice patch too |
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| 06:15.48 | mayB | brclad: finally means ..... i did entire patch for old version ... then there were issues with installation of bzflag ..... and finally for creation of patch ...... so eventually i was able to .... relieved |
| 06:15.59 | brlcad | ahh :) |
| 06:16.15 | brlcad | finally on your part, thought you meant someone was already working on it :) |
| 06:16.59 | mayB | nope :) |
| 06:17.37 | mayB | brclad: i didnt get you when u said "you're lucky they need to be reviewed for gsoc" |
| 06:20.29 | brlcad | mayB: first .. it's brlcad, not brclad -- tab-completion dude ;) |
| 06:20.47 | mayB | oh sorry :( |
| 06:21.06 | brlcad | second .. what I meant is that fortunately the gsoc patches get reviewed (quickly) .. otherwise they might sit in the patches bin if the submitter doesn't interact with the developers |
| 06:21.47 | brlcad | we read through the patches, evaluate how hard/impressive they are, compare to others, becomes part of your gsoc evaluation |
| 06:22.37 | mayB | u also look for hardness .... i thought the only purpose was to get used to svn ..... other development stuff |
| 06:22.53 | brlcad | and fyi .. you really don't need to provide the patch in multiple forms -- the one diff file is sufficient and preferred, the zipping was only if that didn't work (as we're still used to cvs behavior) |
| 06:22.59 | mayB | mine is not at all hard .... its pure code reusability |
| 06:23.22 | brlcad | overall quality, not necessarily difficulty -- it all plays together |
| 06:23.35 | brlcad | i'm talking about the difference between fixing a typo and .. adding a new menu |
| 06:23.48 | mayB | ohhk |
| 06:24.51 | mayB | by the way what is "brlcad" ... |
| 06:25.12 | mayB | ;) |
| 06:26.02 | brlcad | ~BRL-CAD |
| 06:26.02 | ibot | brl-cad is probably a powerful constructive solid geometry solid modeling system that includes an interactive geometry editor, ray tracing support for rendering and geometric analysis, network distributed framebuffer support, image and signal-processing tools. |
| 06:27.13 | mayB | coooooooooooooooooooool |
| 06:27.30 | think_tank | is still trying to figure out what that meant. |
| 06:33.33 | brlcad | it's a computer-aided design software package for solid modeling |
| 06:37.47 | brlcad | mayB: also, you really should never put object files or auto-generated files into a patch contribution either |
| 06:38.03 | brlcad | even if it wasn't possible to make the single patch file |
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| 06:51.55 | mayB | brlcad: got you .... didn't knew what exactly to submit as a patch .... :( |
| 06:52.38 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/09/o2_accidental_call/ <-- rofl... brilliant... |
| 06:52.53 | Manu | hi ruskie :) |
| 06:53.29 | ruskie | lo |
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| 07:13.48 | brlcad | ruskie: who's O2 ? |
| 07:14.44 | ruskie | some british mobile telco... or some such |
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| 07:35.56 | brlcad | hello KingofCamelot |
| 07:38.50 | KingofCamelot | Hey |
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| 07:41.51 | KingofCamelot | Whats happening? |
| 07:43.15 | Manu | hi KingofCamelot |
| 07:54.08 | KingofCamelot | How's Spain Manu? :) |
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| 07:56.20 | Manu | KingofCamelot: all fine, thanks :) |
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| 12:24.53 | Gilly | anyone else having problems with ares 1.5.1 and bzflag 2 branch (haven't tested with svn trunk) |
| 12:25.05 | Gilly | but after latest gentoo upgrade i'm getting segfaults |
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| 14:11.28 | bz77 | ne1 there? |
| 14:13.20 | donny_baker | yes |
| 14:13.25 | donny_baker | lots of us |
| 14:13.41 | donny_baker | and we generally don't speek l33t |
| 14:13.57 | donny_baker | welcome :) |
| 14:14.00 | bz77 | sorry...i don't usually just trying to send short message to see if anyone is there |
| 14:14.40 | bz77 | trying to get my user id unlocked...changed email address and now can't get back in...can't find way to send admin an email. |
| 14:14.46 | donny_baker | IRC is usually lots of waiting with short periods of long discussion |
| 14:15.08 | donny_baker | well you are in luck... what is your callsign? |
| 14:15.16 | bz77 | LostUser |
| 14:15.42 | donny_baker | I'll e-mail you the e-mail in your account, you respond and I will unlock it |
| 14:16.11 | bz77 | if the email is lu@lu.com, it won't work...unless that didn't take. |
| 14:16.31 | bz77 | you need the email that was there previously? |
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| 14:17.24 | donny_baker | well see that is the problem... I can't tell what it was previously |
| 14:17.29 | bz77 | planetic1 at hotmail dot com |
| 14:17.47 | donny_baker | and it is lu@lu.com... which you said doesn't work |
| 14:18.07 | bz77 | it should be the other one I just mentioned |
| 14:18.10 | donny_baker | yeah, but there is now no way for me to be able to verify that it IS you |
| 14:18.19 | bz77 | heh...ahh. |
| 14:18.21 | donny_baker | you could be someone trying to steal the account |
| 14:18.37 | donny_baker | not saying you are.. but I need to protect the account |
| 14:18.57 | bz77 | Right...is there a way to re register under that account? I was just trying to change my email because I was paranoid about it displaying while I played. |
| 14:19.43 | donny_baker | yeah, that e-mail is only seen by board admins and never used for anything (other than account verification) |
| 14:20.03 | bz77 | why could I see others email address...some of them anyway? |
| 14:20.10 | donny_baker | tell you what... let me see if the address bounces the mail back |
| 14:20.34 | bz77 | the planetic1 email? |
| 14:20.49 | donny_baker | because the user puts them in |
| 14:21.01 | donny_baker | no the lu@lu.com |
| 14:21.10 | bz77 | Ahh...I could see some, and mine but mine only displays to me? |
| 14:21.40 | bz77 | lu@lu.com isn't a working email...I just put it there for a filler. I couldn't find a way to stop it from displaying. |
| 14:21.42 | donny_baker | unless you put it out there |
| 14:21.49 | bz77 | Its just short for LostUser |
| 14:22.00 | donny_baker | yeah, i figured |
| 14:22.18 | bz77 | heh..sorry about the problem...though it seems it is mostly mine now. |
| 14:22.51 | bz77 | can you ask me any information about the account that only I would know? I don't recall that it had much specific info though. |
| 14:23.08 | donny_baker | lu.com is libraries unlimited |
| 14:23.35 | bz77 | heh...oh...guess it may not be unused...didn't expect it to be used. |
| 14:23.38 | donny_baker | yeah.. there is nothing in the account that is specific although you did know the lu@lu.com was in it |
| 14:24.03 | JBdiGriz | bz77: Where did you sign up for the account (URL)? |
| 14:24.41 | bz77 | I signed up from the bzflag home website. |
| 14:25.03 | JBdiGriz | Could you give me the exact web site URL you used? |
| 14:25.18 | bz77 | I can forward you the reply email to planetic1@hotmail.com if you want. |
| 14:25.43 | bz77 | I'll have to check history if its still there for the exact url. |
| 14:25.50 | donny_baker | yeah, that gets me nothing... i could send it to JBdiGriz and he could respond saying the account was his |
| 14:26.08 | JBdiGriz | I just want to verify that you are trying to access the same place that you started. |
| 14:26.14 | donny_baker | i have to say I believe you... but |
| 14:27.02 | bz77 | No problem...I'll answer as many questions as you have...unless they get perverted or something like that ;) |
| 14:27.22 | bz77 | Still might answer those too though. |
| 14:27.58 | bz77 | Downloaded the game Monday from sourceforge... |
| 14:29.12 | bz77 | I have this link in history as (I think) the first registration page. http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=register&agreed=true |
| 14:30.08 | bz77 | Here is one of the login links. http://my.bzflag.org/bb/login.php?sid=529e47d94e27c80c78d09074ac2eaf52 |
| 14:30.47 | donny_baker | well we think the best course of action in this case is to have you just create a new callsign |
| 14:31.22 | bz77 | Bummer |
| 14:31.38 | donny_baker | there really is no way we can verify that the account is yours, at this point |
| 14:31.52 | bz77 | I do have my alternate...MeLostUser...I understand. |
| 14:32.00 | donny_baker | and as JeffM2501 says "callsigns are cheap" |
| 14:32.55 | donny_baker | yeah, sorry we can't help you out on that one... but the e-mailaddress provided to the forums is not available to anyone, so no need to worry about it |
| 14:33.10 | donny_baker | well.. other than the forums admins |
| 14:33.30 | bz77 | That was my main concern...I don't need anymore junk mail...though it is hotmail so...;) |
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| 14:33.47 | donny_baker | the e-mail string in the client is fully provided by the end user and usually doesn't contain an e-mail anyway |
| 14:34.08 | donny_baker | i leave mine blank usually |
| 14:34.51 | bz77 | So, just to verify, the account email doesn't show to anyone else but admins. |
| 14:35.03 | bz77 | The reason I see others is that they put it in with their account name? |
| 14:35.22 | donny_baker | and in your profile you can set whether you want your e-mail address to be displayed on the forums |
| 14:35.32 | donny_baker | yes, you are in total control of it |
| 14:35.47 | bz77 | Right, I was just wondering on the email while I was playing being displayed. |
| 14:36.02 | donny_baker | and the only reason we require it to sign up is so we have a mechanism to get confirmation that you are "real" |
| 14:36.10 | donny_baker | we never use it for anything |
| 14:36.18 | bz77 | btw. I just registered MeLostUser so am good to go on that. |
| 14:36.31 | bz77 | It did get a wierd message when I changed the email address. |
| 14:36.52 | bz77 | It said critical information was changed (or something like that). |
| 14:36.52 | donny_baker | yeah.. i beleive we are changing the name of that from 'e-mail' to 'tag' or something else |
| 14:36.59 | bz77 | Ahh. |
| 14:37.12 | bz77 | Then I think it said the account was locked out. |
| 14:37.31 | donny_baker | in the client it is a little confusing I would agree, especially for new users |
| 14:37.48 | donny_baker | yes, when the e-mail changes you need to re-verify |
| 14:38.07 | bz77 | The game is cool btw...bit of a learning curve for some things especially with a lot of tanks buzzing around. |
| 14:38.17 | donny_baker | I am reffering to the e-mailthe e-mail on the forums |
| 14:38.55 | donny_baker | yeah, it takes a while to get reasonably good... and there is always someone better than you |
| 14:39.21 | donny_baker | the first lesson BZFlag teaches you is to die gracefully :P |
| 14:39.47 | bz77 | Heh...yeah...not for people who don't want to keep trying. |
| 14:40.22 | bz77 | I play scorched 3d but it is a slow game sometimes...same thing on dying though. You can definitely see when someone rq's. |
| 14:40.22 | donny_baker | i don't think I had a positive score for the first two months I played |
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| 14:45.05 | MeLostUSer | Lost my connection |
| 14:45.10 | MeLostUSer | Is there a timeout? |
| 14:46.06 | MeLostUSer | Someone post that or lost connection again? |
| 14:46.19 | MeLostUSer | Ahh...Well, thanks folks for your help. |
| 14:47.04 | donny_baker | np... have fun, and be careful... BZFlag is HIGHLY addictive |
| 14:47.34 | donny_baker | oh, and visit our store (especially if you wear medium shirts) ;) |
| 14:47.54 | KTL | highly |
| 14:47.57 | MeLostUSer | LOL...ok. Can't play anymore now. Time to work...thanks again for the help. |
| 14:48.13 | donny_baker | your welcome |
| 14:48.23 | MeLostUSer | Is there a command to quit? |
| 14:48.34 | MeLostUSer | First time using IRC. |
| 14:49.11 | KTL | not needed, but /quit works |
| 14:49.16 | MeLostUSer | Ahh.../help helps |
| 14:49.26 | MeLostUSer | Gotcha...thanks...later. |
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| 15:31.24 | bz03 | where can i find a list of all errors? |
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| 15:51.07 | Wyk3d | blast007: ping |
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| 16:16.00 | JeffM | ok... so rememeber how yesterday I was complaining that we hadn't sold any medium shirts? |
| 16:16.12 | spldart | yes |
| 16:16.25 | JeffM | in an odd turn of events, medium is now the best seller |
| 16:16.34 | JeffM | (yes we still have some left for you :) ) |
| 16:16.39 | spldart | :) |
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| 16:17.32 | JeffM | we sold 10 shirts |
| 16:17.47 | JeffM | SGI israel make a huge order |
| 16:18.09 | JBdiGriz | is surprised that there is an SGI left in Israel |
| 16:18.28 | JeffM | then sent me an e-mail asking if they could add another. |
| 16:19.02 | JeffM | http://www.sgi.co.il/ |
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| 16:36.42 | JeffM | 21 shirts left |
| 16:37.33 | JeffM | spldart, you were going to order 2 mediums right? |
| 16:37.51 | spldart | 3 is the plan |
| 16:37.54 | JeffM | k |
| 16:37.59 | JeffM | I'll pull em out of stock for now |
| 16:38.03 | spldart | medium... And another XL... mid next week is the plan |
| 16:38.18 | JeffM | XLs I'm fine on |
| 16:38.24 | JeffM | still have 7 of those |
| 16:38.36 | spldart | How about XXL's Outta curiousity |
| 16:38.41 | JeffM | one left |
| 16:39.18 | spldart | Don't bother holding that... But if it's still there when I order I may be after it |
| 16:39.26 | JeffM | current counts are 3 small, 6 med, 4 large, 7 xl, 1 xxl, 0 xxxl |
| 16:40.07 | JeffM | and we are currently holding at 404$ |
| 16:40.16 | JeffM | with another 12$ coming from SGI |
| 16:40.23 | spldart | pretty cool |
| 16:40.29 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:40.36 | JeffM | shortly we will break even |
| 16:41.52 | JeffM | guess that means I sould start to build the pages for the next pre-order |
| 16:43.05 | spldart | ooOOoo.. more preorder hoodies? |
| 16:43.12 | JeffM | that'd be the plan stan |
| 16:43.27 | spldart | is kid in candy store... My tax return check mails on friday |
| 16:43.37 | spldart | Several grand |
| 16:43.41 | JeffM | wow |
| 16:43.48 | JeffM | didn't do the electronic filing thing? |
| 16:43.56 | spldart | E-file yes |
| 16:44.01 | spldart | But can't e-deposit |
| 16:44.04 | JeffM | ahh |
| 16:44.30 | spldart | long story and to OT for here so :-x :) |
| 16:44.57 | JeffM | for this run I'm also going to take pre-orders for the shirts in the various colors too |
| 16:45.16 | JeffM | but I want to break even on money first |
| 16:47.12 | JBdiGriz | has to mail the tax return checks :( |
| 16:49.45 | Erroneous | mailed his return today |
| 16:50.01 | Erroneous | refunds ftw |
| 16:50.05 | JeffM | wow |
| 16:50.10 | JeffM | I did mine January 8th |
| 16:50.22 | Erroneous | I didn't have some of the paperwork until a few weeks ago |
| 16:50.41 | JeffM | you get a W2 from Nan, what else do you need? ;) |
| 16:50.50 | spldart | :( My wife lost here w2 for a few weeks.. turned the house over looking for it.. it fell behind the piano 8-0 |
| 16:51.09 | JeffM | I didn't actualy have to send any papers to anyone |
| 16:51.16 | JeffM | not even the W2 |
| 16:51.27 | JeffM | turbotax got it directly from payroll |
| 16:52.44 | donny_baker | i finished miny over the weekend... getting a huge $15 refund |
| 16:53.16 | L4m3r | I had my tax return done a while ago (for FAFSA) and discovered that I OWE money |
| 16:53.41 | JeffM | I owed like 70$ to state, got 465$ back from fed |
| 16:53.58 | L4m3r | I owe $150 or so from the gsoc payments |
| 16:54.09 | JeffM | ouch |
| 16:54.15 | JeffM | we'll owe for our SoC too |
| 16:54.25 | JeffM | well brlcad will |
| 16:54.31 | L4m3r | Google shoulda sent a form out |
| 16:54.42 | JeffM | what form? |
| 16:54.48 | JeffM | you sent them a tax fourm |
| 16:54.52 | JeffM | the w9 |
| 16:55.00 | L4m3r | some weird one |
| 16:55.06 | JeffM | 1099? |
| 16:55.09 | L4m3r | "non-employee compensation" |
| 16:55.10 | L4m3r | maybe |
| 16:55.33 | JeffM | IIRC the w9 lets them just report it to the fed |
| 16:55.38 | JeffM | it's up to you to claim it, etc.. |
| 16:55.50 | L4m3r | let's just say that I'm REALLY glad I updated my address when I moved in here |
| 16:55.51 | JeffM | cus you were an employee |
| 16:55.56 | L4m3r | in the web app |
| 16:55.58 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 16:56.29 | L4m3r | because they didn't really say much about it until people asked, and by the time I found out, the SoC 2007 web app had been shut off |
| 17:02.41 | Erroneous | JeffM: several of my 1099s were still routed to my parents' house |
| 17:04.53 | Erroneous | did everything on paper, too :) |
| 17:05.04 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:05.09 | JeffM | how many jobs do you have? |
| 17:05.16 | Erroneous | just the one |
| 17:05.54 | JeffM | then why you still getting 1099s? |
| 17:06.05 | Erroneous | interest and dividends |
| 17:06.09 | JeffM | ahhhh |
| 17:06.22 | JBdiGriz | He's a financial wizard as well. ;) |
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| 17:06.40 | JeffM | the interwebs can manage some of that for you I hear |
| 17:07.11 | Erroneous | yeah, that's something I'd really rather be able to manage online, too. just haven't set it up. |
| 17:07.18 | JeffM | speaking of that, brlcad I assume you haven't had time to look into the NPO more? |
| 17:13.28 | ruskie | wonders when the package will arrive... |
| 17:14.34 | JeffM | 6-10 working days |
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| 17:36.00 | brlcad | JeffM: not in the least with setting things up for ranking and reviewing apps |
| 17:36.27 | JeffM | I figured ;) |
| 17:36.39 | JeffM | I got to rank another one today |
| 17:36.44 | brlcad | that's funny.. sgi israel |
| 17:36.49 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:37.52 | Wyk3d | just out of curiosity, how do you guys go about doing that ? do you have a system of points that you give to certain parts of an application ? |
| 17:38.15 | JeffM | Wyk3d, well we have this big wheel right |
| 17:38.20 | JeffM | with colored sectors |
| 17:38.25 | brlcad | Erroneous: paper, that's crazy talk :) |
| 17:38.34 | Manu | Wyk3d: and a dice ;) |
| 17:38.34 | JeffM | then DTRemenak jumps up an pulls the lever.... |
| 17:38.41 | brlcad | darts |
| 17:38.44 | JeffM | the hard part is when the duck gets out |
| 17:38.55 | Wyk3d | colored sectored .. sounds fun :) |
| 17:39.01 | Wyk3d | *sectors |
| 17:39.14 | JeffM | but yes, a system of points basicly |
| 17:39.38 | JeffM | with a BIG red 0 in one section for those that ain't sent in a patch yet :) |
| 17:39.51 | Wyk3d | heh :) |
| 17:39.56 | JeffM | guesses he ain't gonna see a patch from Feng :( |
| 17:40.19 | Manu | is willing to mentor Feng |
| 17:40.21 | Manu | k |
| 17:40.49 | brlcad | Wyk3d: in classic BZ style, we load up a BZFlag map filled with MQ flags and play a few rounds of Rabbit Hunt with each mentor representing a different applicant |
| 17:41.15 | Wyk3d | :D |
| 17:41.22 | Erroneous | doesn't think MQ makes much sense in Rabbit |
| 17:41.37 | pacman87 | it might be good for the rabbit |
| 17:41.39 | Manu | Erroneous: bah.. details ;) |
| 17:41.43 | JeffM | and in clasic bz style, I just type /superkill in te end and win! |
| 17:41.48 | brlcad | Erroneous: and playing BZ to rank apps does? :) |
| 17:42.00 | Erroneous | brlcad: sure, why not!? :) |
| 17:42.08 | brlcad | ~decks! |
| 17:42.08 | ibot | it has been said that decks is http://bzgirl.opencombat.net/decks.html |
| 17:42.12 | brlcad | aww |
| 17:42.13 | Erroneous | will go for any excuse to play bz :) |
| 17:42.19 | Manu | gives extra points if a stutent can beat him in bzflag :-p |
| 17:42.27 | Manu | student* |
| 17:42.29 | JeffM | epyon needs to finish his patch then we can play |
| 17:42.56 | brlcad | sheds a tear glancing at where bzgirl used to sit |
| 17:43.12 | JeffM | I'm sure she gets to hear enough crying now adays |
| 17:43.15 | Manu | bzgirl.. long time no see |
| 17:43.23 | JeffM | bzmomie |
| 17:43.30 | pacman87 | Manu: are those extra points transferable to another project? |
| 17:43.32 | Manu | yes, I know |
| 17:43.48 | Manu | pacman87: nope :) |
| 17:44.02 | pacman87 | try to talk brlcad into it ;) |
| 17:44.26 | Manu | heh |
| 17:46.48 | brlcad | like all bzflag matches, the scores reset when we leave the server :) |
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| 17:53.59 | Wyk3d | hmm "WSAPoll could not be located in the DLL WS2_32.dll" |
| 17:54.58 | Wyk3d | anyone seen that before ? i get it when starting bzflag trunk .. |
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| 17:59.30 | Erroneous | Wyk3d: running windows 95? |
| 17:59.56 | Erroneous | that's the only time I've seen that particular error...'95 without the winsock2 fixes |
| 18:01.14 | blast007 | Wyk3d: pong |
| 18:04.58 | Wyk3d | winxp2 here |
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| 18:05.43 | Wyk3d | hi blast007 .. so you said you aren't working on the list server rewrite anymore ? |
| 18:05.54 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:05.57 | blast007 | it was in PHP yet |
| 18:06.03 | Wyk3d | thing is that |
| 18:06.11 | blast007 | it was just organized better, and wasn't tied to phpBB |
| 18:06.36 | Wyk3d | i think it might be better to keep a php list server for backwards compatibility |
| 18:06.48 | Wyk3d | did you read in my application about that ? |
| 18:08.00 | Wyk3d | like .. a common data backend, but the php list server serves the old clients and the c++ daemone serves the new ones, and until every function of the list server is posted to c++ you would have a hybrid of both |
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| 18:08.23 | Wyk3d | *posted->ported |
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| 18:09.30 | Lukstr | Woah |
| 18:09.36 | Lukstr | when are we shooting mentors?! |
| 18:10.30 | Wyk3d | the daemon could be made to handle older clients too but then you'd have to make it a webserver and there's not much point in that |
| 18:11.49 | blast007 | Wyk3d: we don't need a PHP list for backwards compatability |
| 18:12.02 | blast007 | our C++ daemon could run a mini web-server |
| 18:12.26 | blast007 | but yeah, it could work as PHP too, and just make it pull data from the new daemon |
| 18:12.46 | Wyk3d | it wouldn't need to talk to the daemon much |
| 18:12.48 | Wyk3d | just to ldap |
| 18:12.56 | Wyk3d | or ? |
| 18:13.14 | blast007 | that's up to the one designing it ;) |
| 18:13.38 | blast007 | it would probably just be a dumb system, and read everything from the daemon |
| 18:13.47 | blast007 | and cache some info, like the server list |
| 18:14.03 | blast007 | but auth would get passed to either LDAP directly, or to the daemon |
| 18:14.24 | blast007 | hmm, technically should go to the daemon, since that could generate our token too |
| 18:14.25 | Manu | Lukstr: is not so easy to shoot some mentors |
| 18:14.34 | blast007 | would* |
| 18:14.43 | Wyk3d | the list server can generate its own token |
| 18:14.54 | Wyk3d | doesn't need to care what/how the daemon does things |
| 18:15.02 | blast007 | right, but then we're duplicating code |
| 18:15.13 | blast007 | the auth daemon should be doing that |
| 18:15.21 | Wyk3d | the code is already there |
| 18:15.33 | blast007 | sure, but the code is not set up for the new system |
| 18:15.35 | Wyk3d | or well 90% written as you said :) |
| 18:15.53 | blast007 | w;) |
| 18:15.55 | blast007 | ;)* |
| 18:16.06 | blast007 | something to consider |
| 18:16.53 | blast007 | the code of my rewrite is in SVN if you are interested |
| 18:17.12 | blast007 | it's under db/bzfls2/ |
| 18:17.13 | brlcad | ~no decks is http://bzgirl.org/decks.html |
| 18:17.14 | ibot | okay, brlcad |
| 18:17.27 | blast007 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/db/bzfls2/ |
| 18:17.34 | Wyk3d | i know it is .. but the thing is i don't know PHP much |
| 18:18.01 | blast007 | ah |
| 18:18.39 | blast007 | you'll probably want to get familiar with a bit of it if you're wanting to do this ;) you'll have to read how the current stuff works |
| 18:18.57 | blast007 | the old list would be painful for you to read through |
| 18:19.00 | Wyk3d | well no, my proposal was for the auth daemon |
| 18:19.09 | Wyk3d | this is part of long term goals |
| 18:19.14 | Wyk3d | how it would fit into the whole system |
| 18:19.15 | blast007 | ah |
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| 18:19.22 | blast007 | okay |
| 18:19.41 | blast007 | I have the proposal printed off, just have to read through it again in detail |
| 18:20.00 | blast007 | has his highlighter ready ;) |
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| 18:38.24 | Lukstr | Manu: hehe |
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| 19:46.12 | JeffM | time to apply my 98k patch file :) |
| 19:46.40 | blast007 | heh |
| 19:46.48 | spldart | woah |
| 19:46.54 | JeffM | I really should just make it a branch |
| 19:47.09 | Winny | JeffM: is it a rickroll video? |
| 19:47.13 | JeffM | yes |
| 19:47.14 | JeffM | yes it is |
| 19:47.18 | Winny | ;) |
| 19:47.22 | JeffM | that is ALL I ever thing about |
| 19:47.48 | JeffM | it as a joke, has not goten so very very very old that it makes me want to vomit |
| 19:48.57 | JeffM | down to 59 errors tho :) |
| 19:49.24 | spldart | puts Winny's humor on a heavy table at a Gallager Show and hands everyone else some plastic sheets ;-) |
| 19:51.51 | JeffM | awww yeah, get to fix one my favoriately named functions |
| 19:51.56 | JeffM | gotBlowedUp(); |
| 19:51.56 | Winny | goes back to commenting code |
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| 19:56.40 | JeffM | hmmm why do we pack the flag into the killed message? |
| 19:56.47 | JeffM | the server should know that from the shotID |
| 19:57.16 | JeffM | in fact we don't even need to send the killer |
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| 20:20.18 | evanejk | sup |
| 20:20.37 | JeffM | hello |
| 20:22.18 | spldart | is there a way to get a distinction shown between 2.0 servers and trunk servers on serverlist.php or elsewhere? |
| 20:22.28 | evanejk | will there ever be a newer version of bzflag for mac? |
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| 20:25.31 | JeffM | evanejk, newer then 2.0.10? |
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| 20:28.49 | evanejk | Jeff there isn't a 2.0.10 for mac is there? |
| 20:28.56 | JeffM | yes there is |
| 20:29.02 | evanejk | oh |
| 20:29.09 | evanejk | ok |
| 20:29.14 | JeffM | was uploaded in febuary |
| 20:29.23 | JeffM | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3248&package_id=53923 |
| 20:35.12 | evanejk | they should make it so you can have one map link to another through a teleporter or something so you could go somewhere else where the config and /sets are diferent |
| 20:35.34 | evanejk | like a more advanced zone |
| 20:35.50 | Winny | Then you'd need to sync players and shots between servers |
| 20:36.06 | JeffM | who is "they"? |
| 20:36.16 | evanejk | i'm not sure who they are |
| 20:36.28 | JeffM | magic gnomes? |
| 20:36.32 | evanejk | ya |
| 20:36.37 | evanejk | gnomes |
| 20:36.47 | JeffM | wishes the gnomes would finish his shot work |
| 20:37.19 | evanejk | casts a magic gnome spell that makes them appear in his room |
| 20:37.30 | JeffM | umm... |
| 20:37.41 | evanejk | ok im going ton go |
| 20:37.53 | JeffM | I assume you mean software developer by "them" and you are talking to one |
| 20:37.58 | JeffM | heck you can even be one |
| 20:38.05 | JeffM | just start coding :) |
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| 20:41.17 | blast007 | I still prefer the idea of teleporters going to a different "zone" (or some other term, since we already have 'zones' as something else) in the same server process and connection, instead of to a different server/port |
| 20:41.34 | blast007 | wouldn't be a reconnect delay |
| 20:42.47 | blast007 | spldart: "distinction shown between 2.0 servers and trunk servers" What do you mean? |
| 20:44.06 | Wyk3d | blast007: did you finish highlighting all the juicy stuff ? :) |
| 20:44.59 | blast007 | nope ;) |
| 20:46.19 | spldart | http://my.bzflag.org/serverlist.php lists all servers in mass. Trunk and current. It'd be nice to be able to see @ a glance which 4, 5 or 6 servers are trunk |
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| 20:47.04 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST&version=BZFS0059 |
| 20:47.10 | blast007 | not as nice to look at |
| 20:47.28 | blast007 | but the stats site doesn't properly support trunk servers anyway, nor does ibot |
| 20:47.32 | blast007 | it shows the wrong player counts |
| 20:47.38 | blast007 | the hex string format changed a bit |
| 20:47.41 | spldart | Oh yeah! I remember that.. I knew there was a way |
| 20:47.55 | spldart | thanks |
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| 22:18.27 | JeffM | grrrrr.. I keep rewriting more and more with the shot thing |
| 22:18.53 | JeffM | other then the "X was killed by Y with Z" message, is there ANY reson that the client needs to know who shot ya? |
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| 22:28.11 | JeffM | right now the killed message that goes into chat dosn't have a "from" person does it? |
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| 22:53.13 | ducktapebz | hi all |
| 22:53.18 | JeffM | hello |
| 22:53.46 | whodaman- | hi |
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| 23:12.39 | Constitution | Ride? |
| 23:16.46 | JeffM | guesses epyon dosn't care that much about his patch.... |
| 23:17.09 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16936 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: finish sorting bugs int classes. |
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| 23:23.34 | whodaman- | Would it be possible to set it up, so your client could download replays from a replay server? Similar to the save world function, just that you save the whole replay? |
| 23:24.19 | JeffM | the client dosn't know what a replay is |
| 23:24.23 | JeffM | the client knows what a world is |
| 23:24.37 | JeffM | so no, not with out changes |
| 23:24.57 | whodaman- | hmm, would be such an awesome feature |
| 23:25.05 | whodaman- | but I dunno how big the replay files would be.. |
| 23:25.13 | JeffM | simpler would be to have the server host them as HTTP |
| 23:25.17 | JeffM | that'd be easy |
| 23:25.32 | JeffM | then when a replay started just have it say the URL in chat, and you could download it offline |
| 23:25.52 | whodaman- | right |
| 23:25.56 | whodaman- | that'd be cool too |
| 23:26.19 | JeffM | write it up |
| 23:26.29 | JeffM | should be rather easy with the HTTP base class |
| 23:36.20 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16937 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (DisplayMenu.cxx defaultBZDB.cxx): remove menu for stencil shadows, but leave it in the config. They look a lot better and are faster on most hardware. Default all new configs to use stencil shadows. |
| 23:41.46 | L4m3r | er |
| 23:41.59 | L4m3r | do you mean remove stipple shadows? |
| 23:42.12 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16938 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/version.h src/bzflag/clientConfig.cxx): |
| 23:42.12 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: bump the config version to 3 |
| 23:42.12 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: use the correct config version when updating the config. |
| 23:42.12 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: force the config to use stencil shadows for all old configs. |
| 23:42.17 | JeffM | L4m3r, not remove |
| 23:42.28 | L4m3r | remove the menu, that is |
| 23:42.36 | JeffM | yeah the shadow menu is gone |
| 23:42.45 | L4m3r | oh, I see |
| 23:42.46 | JeffM | stencil for EVERYONE! |
| 23:42.52 | L4m3r | er |
| 23:42.57 | L4m3r | what about the "off" option? :P |
| 23:42.59 | JeffM | unless you go and set it in your config |
| 23:43.02 | JeffM | crap |
| 23:43.11 | JeffM | shadows for EVERYONE! |
| 23:43.12 | JeffM | ;) |
| 23:43.35 | JeffM | Revert for EVERYONE! |
| 23:43.49 | L4m3r | hahaha |
| 23:44.08 | L4m3r | you could roll it into the lighting options, perhaps |
| 23:44.24 | JeffM | naw I'll just have it have "on and off" |
| 23:45.07 | L4m3r | stencils don't work well for me |
| 23:45.18 | L4m3r | the shadows overlap each other, creating darker shadows |
| 23:45.31 | JeffM | hmm |
| 23:45.38 | L4m3r | not sure if it's the hardware or the algorithm used to merge them |
| 23:45.45 | JeffM | well then I'll leave it, but just update everyone to use them by default |
| 23:45.49 | TD-Linux | happesn to me too, L4m3r |
| 23:45.53 | TD-Linux | independent of hardware |
| 23:46.09 | TD-Linux | but it's not an inherent problem with stencil shadows, I've seen a lot of them that worked well |
| 23:46.25 | JeffM | it's our lighting model |
| 23:46.29 | JeffM | aka SUCK |
| 23:46.29 | TD-Linux | needs a different blending mode maybe |
| 23:47.02 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16939 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/DisplayMenu.cxx: put the shadow menu back in, cus it may have issues, but leave the default be to stencil so people see it. |
| 23:47.02 | L4m3r | so yeah, I still use stipple because it blends better |
| 23:47.08 | JeffM | no it's not a "mode" |
| 23:47.13 | JeffM | it's what we draw with the stencil |
| 23:47.19 | JeffM | we need a full lighing pass |
| 23:47.41 | JeffM | it looks the way it does because it IS blending |
| 23:48.04 | JeffM | basicly what you are suposed to do is,fill in your stencil buffer with where all the shadows are |
| 23:48.15 | JeffM | then render your light sceene |
| 23:48.21 | JeffM | then flip the stencil |
| 23:48.27 | JeffM | and render the shadow sceeene |
| 23:48.42 | JeffM | then the stencil makes your shadow sceene only draw where the shadows are suposed to |
| 23:48.53 | JeffM | we do it one shadow at a time |
| 23:49.00 | JeffM | instead of all of them at once |
| 23:49.24 | JeffM | mmmm shadow volumes :) |
| 23:49.25 | L4m3r | hm. a buffer would make it easier to compute the union of the shadows. |
| 23:49.45 | JeffM | L4m3r, that woudl be the stencil buffer ;) |
| 23:50.04 | JeffM | it's just we use it once for each shadow instaed of batching it all up |
| 23:50.09 | JeffM | cus for stipple you don't batch |
| 23:50.28 | L4m3r | yeah, overlap doesn't matter |
| 23:50.32 | JeffM | our current stencil use is kind of a hack |
| 23:50.35 | L4m3r | can't get blacker than black |
| 23:50.39 | JeffM | exactly |
| 23:50.50 | JeffM | computing shadow volumes would be fun |
| 23:51.26 | L4m3r | do we even get shadows on objects? |
| 23:51.50 | JeffM | right now each object casts a flat shadow onto the ground |
| 23:51.51 | JeffM | that's it |
| 23:52.11 | JeffM | if we did volumes we'd get inter object shadows |
| 23:52.15 | JeffM | and self shadowing |
| 23:52.20 | JeffM | aka, AWESOME |
| 23:52.29 | L4m3r | self-shadowing is done to a degree by lighting |
| 23:52.39 | JeffM | no not really |
| 23:52.41 | JeffM | that's self shading |
| 23:52.51 | JeffM | shadows need an occluder |
| 23:53.03 | JeffM | self shading is only the same as self shadowing on convex objects |
| 23:53.15 | L4m3r | ah, I see |
| 23:53.32 | JeffM | one leg of a teleporter dosn't cast a shadow onto the other for example |
| 23:54.17 | JeffM | we could actualy do a prety good job of shaodw volumes too |
| 23:54.37 | JeffM | we could cache them for like 5 min or something |
| 23:54.42 | JeffM | cus the sun moves so slow |
| 23:54.46 | L4m3r | heh... so should shadows go through teleporters? :P |
| 23:55.09 | JeffM | then just compute a few moving volumes for shots |
| 23:55.33 | JeffM | L4m3r, even if it dosn't go thur the field, you could make a porter thick enough where the sadow from one leg could have to cross the other |
| 23:55.41 | JeffM | or even just have hte light be side on |
| 23:55.50 | JeffM | on the ground the shadow would go over to the other leg |
| 23:56.07 | JeffM | but the inside face of the other leg would be just as bright as the outside face of the first leg |
| 23:56.12 | JeffM | cus they hav the same normal |
| 23:56.31 | JeffM | openGL just uses the normal and the light postion to pick a color |
| 23:56.43 | L4m3r | no, I mean, if the path of a shadow went through the face of a tele, would the shadow show on the other end? :P |
| 23:56.43 | JeffM | it dosnt' know that another face occludes it |
| 23:56.54 | JeffM | well light goes thru porters, so why not shadow |
| 23:57.03 | L4m3r | :) |
| 23:57.10 | JeffM | a shadow isn't a thing |
| 23:57.13 | JeffM | it's a lack of light |
| 23:57.15 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 23:57.33 | L4m3r | so you could model the light going through... it could get complicated though, with teles facing other directions |
| 23:57.35 | JeffM | I would treat the porter field as like smoked glass |
| 23:57.45 | JeffM | L4m3r, that's called a raytracer ;) |
| 23:57.56 | JeffM | to do that you have to model the light |
| 23:58.05 | JeffM | stencil shadows fake it by modeling the dark |
| 23:58.16 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 23:58.46 | JeffM | the fun part with stencil shadows comes into play for stuff inside a folume |
| 23:58.48 | L4m3r | I still love the idea of being able to see through a tele, too |
| 23:58.48 | JeffM | volume |
| 23:58.51 | JeffM | specificly YOU |
| 23:59.01 | JeffM | L4m3r, a portal system could do that |
| 23:59.27 | L4m3r | we should totally have a portal gun flag, too |
| 23:59.32 | JeffM | heh |
| 23:59.41 | JeffM | I think we need an insane AI first |
| 23:59.51 | L4m3r | heh, why? |