| 00:00.57 | Constitution | can a plugin change the team that a player joins as? |
| 00:01.04 | Constitution | or I could test it, I guess |
| 00:01.16 | JeffM | Constitution, yes |
| 00:01.24 | JeffM | there is an autoteam message |
| 00:01.42 | Lukstr | the gsoc channel is a mad house |
| 00:01.54 | delusional | last october7.... Google (GOOG) crossed the $600-a-share threshold today, giving it a market capitalization of around $188.1 billion. |
| 00:02.47 | JeffM | 20 |
| 00:03.10 | JeffM | 27 teciuncaly |
| 00:03.19 | JeffM | that's like 1/2 of last year :( |
| 00:05.16 | Constitution | ~quote GOOG |
| 00:05.26 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:05.28 | Constitution | is that them? |
| 00:05.44 | Lukstr | haha |
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| 00:15.33 | me1 | shouldn't the 2.1.14 thing on the wiki downloads page be removed/changed? |
| 00:18.05 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:18.19 | JeffM | if there are still instances left, change them to 2.99.x |
| 00:18.25 | me1 | can't |
| 00:18.27 | me1 | its locked |
| 00:18.30 | JeffM | unless it' realy is talking about that spcific version? |
| 00:18.33 | JeffM | what page? |
| 00:18.37 | JeffM | oh downloads |
| 00:18.40 | me1 | yeah |
| 00:19.38 | JeffM | actualy that points to the 2.1.14 |
| 00:19.47 | JeffM | when we have a 2.99.something we'll replace it |
| 00:19.52 | me1 | ok |
| 00:22.38 | AAA_awright | Constitution: Alright |
| 00:23.01 | Constitution | aw darn, too late |
| 00:23.04 | Constitution | next year |
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| 00:26.35 | AAA_awright | Constitution: Does the group manager abstract the user session handler? |
| 00:26.51 | AAA_awright | I want to implement my single-sign on for the group manager |
| 00:27.23 | Constitution | no |
| 00:27.33 | Constitution | but you're welcome to implement it |
| 00:27.40 | AAA_awright | So I have a bit of re-coding to do :) |
| 00:28.06 | Constitution | just make sure you collaborate your work with "the plan", which doesn't exist ;) |
| 00:28.16 | Constitution | or rather, make sure you coordinate with the devs |
| 00:28.33 | AAA_awright | Well, it does a bit, there is the auth class |
| 00:28.48 | Constitution | I guess |
| 00:29.33 | Constitution | but it's just a class... I didn't intend for it to be a single-sign-on interface. It will probably need a lot of work before that happens |
| 00:29.35 | AAA_awright | Usually, php files are always .php, never .inc. the inc extension is a older extension which some web servers may display as plain text |
| 00:29.58 | AAA_awright | Mine is pretty simple, you call a function and it returns information about a user if they are logged in |
| 00:30.29 | Constitution | my auth class talks to the data interface, which *is* intended to be used by other things |
| 00:30.34 | AAA_awright | bzid, callsign, email, language |
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| 00:32.22 | AAA_awright | I see a call to header() with "Location: ." which isn't a valid header, Location: needs to provide a full URL, including http: |
| 00:33.56 | blast007 | hmm, guess the specs do state that |
| 00:33.58 | AAA_awright | Constitution: It doesn't seem like the user stays logged in when they submit the form |
| 00:38.07 | AAA_awright | I'm gonna replace instances of username with callsign, it is important we keep a single term to refer to the login name |
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| 01:01.49 | blast007 | AAA_awright: don't the other 3rd party web apps use 'username'? ;) |
| 01:03.11 | TaylorKillian | David W here? |
| 01:03.50 | blast007 | TaylorKillian: do you know their IRC nickname? |
| 01:04.13 | brlcad | TaylorKillian: many mentors are listening, just talk :) |
| 01:04.27 | donny_baker | probably all of them |
| 01:04.46 | JeffM | for some values of "listening" |
| 01:04.47 | TaylorKillian | heh, alright, just wanted to say hey |
| 01:04.53 | donny_baker | hey |
| 01:05.12 | TaylorKillian | my proposal was for a dynamic sound system |
| 01:05.18 | JeffM | indeed |
| 01:05.36 | TaylorKillian | one that will generate music to suit the situation |
| 01:05.37 | JeffM | cutting it rather close to the deadline |
| 01:06.14 | Erroneous | I'm curious, what do you know about our existing music capabilities? |
| 01:06.18 | TaylorKillian | JeffM: yeah, my application wasn't origionally designed for bzflag, but i thought it might be something you guys would like |
| 01:06.22 | JeffM | and the project in genral |
| 01:06.24 | JeffM | general |
| 01:06.32 | JeffM | TaylorKillian, we can tell |
| 01:06.39 | JeffM | you left worldforge in there |
| 01:06.43 | TaylorKillian | blushes |
| 01:06.45 | blast007 | heh |
| 01:06.53 | JeffM | so you don't know much about us do you? |
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| 01:07.05 | TaylorKillian | anyways, i know a bit about you guys |
| 01:07.12 | TaylorKillian | i play bzflag |
| 01:07.17 | JeffM | how much do you know about our current music system? |
| 01:07.37 | TaylorKillian | not a lot (and i suck at it), but i have it installed on all the machines in the lab i manage |
| 01:07.54 | JeffM | we don't have a music system |
| 01:07.56 | TaylorKillian | not a lot = not playing it alot |
| 01:08.19 | JeffM | I assume you applied to worldforge as well? |
| 01:08.28 | TaylorKillian | yeah |
| 01:08.38 | TaylorKillian | i'm not to happy with them though :/ |
| 01:08.47 | JeffM | well if you want us to take a look at yours you have a fair amount of work to do |
| 01:08.54 | TaylorKillian | no responces on their irc and little activity on their forums |
| 01:08.56 | JeffM | starting with reading our requirements |
| 01:09.08 | JeffM | and getting your application talored to our project |
| 01:09.13 | brlcad | nice to see the application, but you will likely be critiqued (harshly) as your app needs updates |
| 01:09.19 | JeffM | yes |
| 01:09.24 | JeffM | it's not a horible idea |
| 01:09.31 | brlcad | especially as a last-minute submission with the wrong project listed :) |
| 01:09.33 | JeffM | it's nice to see an origonal idea |
| 01:09.34 | Erroneous | that said, it's nice to see some original proposals, and it's not a bad idea |
| 01:09.44 | blast007 | it could play taps ever time you die :) |
| 01:09.44 | TaylorKillian | JeffM: i realize, and i intend to do so, just wanted to at least get my foot in the door though ;) |
| 01:09.52 | JeffM | TaylorKillian, fair enough |
| 01:09.55 | Erroneous | so don't take this all as a complete diss. but you're not really starting on the right foot here :) |
| 01:10.09 | JeffM | have you read our wiki pages on our proposal requirements? |
| 01:10.27 | brlcad | and development requirements |
| 01:10.43 | JeffM | best to start there |
| 01:10.48 | TaylorKillian | yeah, i read them after David W wrote a responce |
| 01:10.51 | JeffM | good |
| 01:10.57 | Erroneous | cool, that's a good start :) |
| 01:11.00 | JeffM | I'd get those all setup and running |
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| 01:11.18 | JeffM | then take a look at what you need to do to fix up the application to be more specific |
| 01:11.30 | JeffM | a number of things you have there may be harder then you expect |
| 01:11.42 | JeffM | our sound system is rather primitive by todays standards |
| 01:11.47 | TaylorKillian | yeah, i intend to do a major rehaul tomorrow (running on no sleep atm) |
| 01:11.53 | JeffM | k |
| 01:11.56 | Erroneous | btw, David W is JBdiGriz here (as one of the wiki pages likely says) |
| 01:12.07 | JeffM | feel free to come here and ask us anything you need to |
| 01:12.12 | JeffM | we value comunication highly |
| 01:12.23 | Erroneous | and yeah, definitely don't make yourself a stranger :) |
| 01:12.33 | TaylorKillian | i won't ;) |
| 01:12.35 | brlcad | more highly than your proposal itself |
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| 01:13.03 | brlcad | major deficiencies in either is a non-starter |
| 01:13.15 | JeffM | the act of ripping sound and replacing it with somethign like openAL just so that it could DO music would make me happy ;) |
| 01:13.31 | JeffM | but I like the concept of dynamic music as well |
| 01:13.34 | Epyon | deficiencies O.o |
| 01:16.10 | TaylorKillian | erases proposal and writes "comming soon!" |
| 01:16.23 | TaylorKillian | j/k |
| 01:16.43 | Erroneous | that'd get an invalid stamp right away :) |
| 01:18.27 | TaylorKillian | lol |
| 01:19.15 | TaylorKillian | drives bztank up to bzmentors bzhouse and demands in!!! |
| 01:19.40 | JeffM | sleep on it and work on it when you feel beter |
| 01:20.03 | JeffM | you made it past the front gate, we'll see how you do after that |
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| 01:22.18 | TaylorKillian | good idea, gotta hang around until a x264 mentor gets on though :/ |
| 01:22.55 | JeffM | how many orgs did you apply to? |
| 01:23.34 | TaylorKillian | counts... |
| 01:23.49 | Epyon | At least 7 like a real man? |
| 01:24.23 | JeffM | Epyon, did you not only do 2? |
| 01:24.34 | Epyon | JeffM, hush. |
| 01:24.53 | Epyon | I'm not a man, I'm a girl btw :P |
| 01:25.13 | TaylorKillian | i submitted 10 unique proposals and 3 based on my other proposals |
| 01:25.25 | Epyon | ... |
| 01:25.32 | JeffM | to how many orgs? |
| 01:25.52 | Epyon | feels so hopeless :P |
| 01:25.58 | brlcad | so that makes this one ... lucky lucky 13 |
| 01:26.07 | TaylorKillian | 11 orgs |
| 01:26.14 | JeffM | k |
| 01:26.38 | Epyon | wonders if there was a man brave enough to submit 20 apps to 20 orgs. |
| 01:27.04 | JeffM | Epyon, I don't think that is bravery |
| 01:27.07 | JeffM | but stupidity |
| 01:27.12 | JeffM | those would all be very weak apps |
| 01:27.13 | Epyon | shhh |
| 01:27.24 | JeffM | makes notes on Epyon's application |
| 01:27.30 | Epyon | ^^ |
| 01:27.57 | Epyon | Why do you think I ended up with 2x2 :P |
| 01:28.12 | JeffM | that wasn't what I was noting |
| 01:28.23 | brlcad | Epyon: whom else? |
| 01:28.27 | Epyon | Ah, the other thing ^^ |
| 01:28.27 | brlcad | tp? |
| 01:28.31 | Epyon | brlcad, yes |
| 01:29.28 | brlcad | mithro is claiming a heck of a lot of good apps |
| 01:29.39 | JeffM | indeed |
| 01:29.42 | JeffM | 40+ |
| 01:29.47 | TaylorKillian | projects: (ARM Emulator, Secure Voting Machine, iTunes-Rockbox interface, Multicast file transfer, Dynamic Sound, 3d sound, video encoder for gpgpu's, audio player for openmoko, web browser for iphone, and automatic mla citation) |
| 01:29.49 | Epyon | Yeah, they had a really big count |
| 01:30.55 | Epyon | Although the amount of new active people on the channel is around 5-6 |
| 01:30.57 | brlcad | suspects they got that mediocre crowd that we were able to cull with the patches requirement this year |
| 01:31.17 | JeffM | that is probably why we have fewer "middle range" ones |
| 01:31.20 | Epyon | still didn't meet the patch req :/ |
| 01:31.33 | JeffM | best get on that |
| 01:31.38 | Epyon | I'll see to that tommorow though |
| 01:31.42 | JeffM | remember there are a number of easy things |
| 01:31.47 | brlcad | yeah, we had about 20+ more last year that were really 'bad' but valid -- only like 2 this year |
| 01:31.48 | TaylorKillian | JeffM: Typically I would agree that submitting a lot of applications would result in poor quality, if you actaully spend a good amount of time working on those apps, then i think they can be good quality |
| 01:31.59 | Epyon | Probably I'll take a look at those font related ones |
| 01:32.08 | Epyon | TaylorKillian, what do you plan for a patch? :> |
| 01:32.23 | JeffM | TaylorKillian, it's more then the app, it's comunity communication, etc.. |
| 01:32.34 | TaylorKillian | JeffM: for instance i spent 73 hours over the last 3 weeks talking to organizations, and revising my applications |
| 01:32.42 | JeffM | fun |
| 01:32.46 | JeffM | 0 with us ;) |
| 01:32.57 | Erroneous | approaching 1 |
| 01:33.00 | brlcad | we don't really want a project -- we want a new developer |
| 01:33.08 | TaylorKillian | senses some hostility |
| 01:33.10 | JeffM | indeed |
| 01:33.15 | JeffM | no, just facts |
| 01:33.19 | JeffM | so you know what we expect |
| 01:33.20 | JeffM | that's all |
| 01:33.22 | brlcad | not hostility in the least |
| 01:33.27 | spldart | commitment? |
| 01:33.40 | JeffM | I mean if you want to work with us, great |
| 01:33.46 | Erroneous | there's certainly some doubt and cynicism floating about, but don't mistake that for hostility |
| 01:33.47 | JeffM | again I rather like the idea |
| 01:33.58 | Epyon | spent at least 73 hours on #bzflag, including at lleast 7 hours of being on the poor side of a flamewar xP. Sometimes less is better ;] |
| 01:34.19 | spldart | Now now epyon hehe |
| 01:34.21 | TaylorKillian | anyways, just give me a chance please, i promise that you will be seeing a lot of me for at least the next week |
| 01:34.21 | JeffM | yeah, you did skid under the wire, and you've stated that we are a second choice after you got fed up wiht another project. |
| 01:34.36 | Erroneous | you've got a chance :) |
| 01:34.45 | JeffM | Epyon, remeber that drama queen thing... seriously man... |
| 01:34.53 | Erroneous | pretty good one actually, if you actually want to work with us |
| 01:34.56 | JeffM | oh yeah you totaly have a chance TaylorKillian |
| 01:35.13 | Epyon | JeffM, duh, I'm working for my reputation, aren't I? :P |
| 01:35.14 | JeffM | you've shown good faith by poping in as soon as you heard us reply, etc.. |
| 01:35.46 | JeffM | TaylorKillian, you coming and exlpaining took you out of the "spam" category |
| 01:36.01 | JeffM | and put you in the "maybe he'll pull somthing out" category |
| 01:36.05 | JeffM | so that's good |
| 01:36.07 | Erroneous | and the proposal itself is certainly interesting, if unexpected |
| 01:36.17 | TaylorKillian | soooo anyways... other than the organization name in the app, what all do you guys thing would need customization (i got some ideas, just curious) |
| 01:36.28 | Epyon | TaylorKillian, suggestion: take a look at all your apps, and decide upon 4 that you'd mostly want to get accepted. Focus on those. |
| 01:36.32 | JeffM | and last year we accepted projects that were unexpected. |
| 01:36.37 | Erroneous | indeed |
| 01:36.45 | TaylorKillian | i.e, how could this idea best be integrated with bzflag? |
| 01:37.01 | Erroneous | TaylorKillian: how about this: what kind of events should trigger variations in the music? and what kind of variations? |
| 01:37.02 | JeffM | yeah, showing that you've done the work to understand our project etc.. |
| 01:37.05 | JeffM | that would help a lot |
| 01:37.35 | JeffM | yeah stuff like that, showing that you have takent he time to know how bzflag works and plays |
| 01:37.41 | JeffM | and if you play sounds like that part is easy |
| 01:37.58 | JeffM | the rest would be showing you can work with our codebase and developers |
| 01:38.03 | JeffM | hence the patch thing etc.. |
| 01:38.09 | JeffM | so you have a good shot |
| 01:38.24 | JeffM | you arn't the only one that has to clean up there proposal too :) |
| 01:38.53 | Epyon | TaylorKillian, generally it's not only the idea that counts -- it's also your enthusiasm for it that matters. It's also your call to be excited by the proposed idea, not only the dev's part :) |
| 01:39.53 | Epyon | TaylorKillian, people that show enthusiasm and interest in their project are people that are more likely to stay afterwards. And that's what I think that the devs are looking for now. |
| 01:39.56 | TaylorKillian | Epyon: i only submitted two ideas that were from the "idea lists", so i actually do have an interest in all my projects ;) |
| 01:40.30 | JeffM | cool |
| 01:40.58 | TaylorKillian | Epyon: also, I have thought about possibilities for triggers |
| 01:41.17 | spldart | Epyon be careful interpreting the intent and desire of the dev's |
| 01:41.33 | TaylorKillian | Epyon: the primary idea will involve the number of team mates in your area vs the number of enemies |
| 01:42.11 | Epyon | TaylorKillian, interest in your project and interest in "the" project you're submitting to may be easily mistaken. |
| 01:42.22 | JeffM | TaylorKillian, I'd also think you could detect score swings, and play music that varies based on if you are gaining or loosing |
| 01:42.35 | TaylorKillian | oh, and btw, I was once the leader of an open source org, so i totally get the idea of community :) |
| 01:42.38 | Epyon | spldart, sorry, just my humble opinion, that I will retract if told otherwise |
| 01:43.32 | JeffM | TaylorKillian, how much time per week are you planing on commiting to SoC? are you working during the summer? or taking classes too? |
| 01:43.50 | TaylorKillian | JeffM: good idea (score swings) |
| 01:44.33 | JeffM | are you expecting every player to have seperate music? |
| 01:44.37 | TaylorKillian | JeffM: I'm taking japanese on the weekends, an i'm a TA for about 10 to 15 hrs per week during the summer |
| 01:44.40 | JeffM | or one score for the entire game too |
| 01:44.49 | JeffM | ok, that's not too bad |
| 01:45.03 | JeffM | we generaly consider SoC to be a part time to full time job |
| 01:45.13 | JeffM | and expet lots of commits/work with devs etc.. |
| 01:45.24 | TaylorKillian | yeah, i did gsoc last year also |
| 01:45.32 | TaylorKillian | spent a hell of a lot of time coding, lol |
| 01:45.38 | JeffM | good |
| 01:45.56 | javawizard2539 | TaylorKillian, suggestion for another trigger, the sound could be changed slightly based on where you're looking |
| 01:46.03 | Epyon | TaylorKillian, what did you do last year? |
| 01:46.05 | Erroneous | TaylorKillian: who with, out of curiosity? |
| 01:47.03 | TaylorKillian | JeffM: player specific music is definitely a possibility. i do not see global music working especially because the score swing thing would not work unless you have team based music |
| 01:47.03 | javawizard2539 | and you might want to go a bit easy on language |
| 01:47.17 | JeffM | TaylorKillian, yes many things would not want to work |
| 01:47.23 | JeffM | if it was global |
| 01:47.24 | Erroneous | ah, or I could actually be observant and read your app :) |
| 01:47.30 | JeffM | heh |
| 01:47.41 | Erroneous | wonders why he missed that first pass |
| 01:47.42 | JeffM | wonders who else is here |
| 01:47.54 | JeffM | yay I don't have to lock up :) |
| 01:47.57 | TaylorKillian | javawizard2539: i'm not sure how that would work. could you give an example? |
| 01:48.27 | javawizard2539 | I don't know, I just thought that maybe if you're looking somewhere where there's a lot of the other team then the music changes |
| 01:48.45 | TaylorKillian | Epyon, Erroneous: ikiwiki http://code.google.com/soc/2007/ikiwiki/about.html |
| 01:49.00 | javawizard2539 | It shouldn't have a huge impact, score and people in your immediate vicinity seeming to be the primary influences |
| 01:49.02 | Erroneous | yup, I found it...my bad at not reading carefully to begin with :) |
| 01:49.05 | javawizard2539 | or whatever you've decided |
| 01:50.10 | TaylorKillian | javawizard2539: alright, i get where your coming from. makes sense |
| 01:50.57 | TaylorKillian | heh, sounds like people in here actually play the game, thats good :) |
| 01:51.53 | brlcad | 73 nicks in a channel for a game .. I'd hope at least one or two play the game :) |
| 01:52.32 | TaylorKillian | heh, yeah |
| 01:52.47 | TaylorKillian | so anyways, how did gsoc go last year go? |
| 01:52.58 | TaylorKillian | get anything good done in it? |
| 01:53.28 | brlcad | lots of good stuff |
| 01:53.47 | brlcad | you can read about it: http://my.bzflag.org/gsoc/bzflag_gsoc2007_post_mortem.pdf |
| 01:54.06 | TaylorKillian | lol, 15mb |
| 01:55.20 | bugQ | is it too early to ask the BZFlag mentors what they think of my application? |
| 01:55.31 | bugQ | for gsoc, that is. |
| 01:56.02 | brlcad | comments will be posted if they haven't been already |
| 01:56.06 | JBdiGriz | You can always ask, but we might have to go searching to determine which one is yours. |
| 01:56.56 | bugQ | it's under Harrison Reiser, but I can wait, if that's the case |
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| 01:59.01 | *** topic/#bzflag by brlcad -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || 2.0.10 is the latest public release || BZFlag is in GSoC 2008, mentor blog at http://tanks4code.blogspot.com || GSoC applications are being reviewed throughout the week -- applicants should keep an eye on their app for comments and continue to work on their patch(es) |
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| 02:05.55 | JBdiGriz | bugQ: It's a good thing you mentioned it, because you didn't put your IRC nick into the application. Overall it looks ready to be evaluated. |
| 02:06.12 | bugQ | Should I have? |
| 02:07.05 | JBdiGriz | Most of our interaction here is with you as your nick. Rarely do we call each other by actual name. It makes it easier for us to associate our interactions with the application. |
| 02:08.15 | bugQ | right then. |
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| 02:12.42 | bugQ | Is it all right that I used Markdown? It was a sort of experiment to see if it really is as readable as John Gruber claims |
| 02:13.31 | TaylorKillian | muahaha... |
| 02:13.42 | TaylorKillian | did development in markdown |
| 02:13.52 | TaylorKillian | (in ikiwiki) |
| 02:14.07 | bugQ | <3 ikiwiki. |
| 02:15.01 | JBdiGriz | bugQ: It's readable. To me that's more important than what you actually used. |
| 02:15.22 | bugQ | shweet. |
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| 02:21.05 | Epyon | 'Night all |
| 02:22.10 | brlcad | cya Epyon |
| 02:24.14 | DTRemenak | 'night Epyon |
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| 02:29.26 | TaylorKillian | going to bed, gnight |
| 02:29.31 | JeffM | see ya |
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| 02:30.23 | spldart | Eye of the tiger! |
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| 02:40.06 | bugQ | "a random BZFlag city generator"? dang, I should have shot higher, I guess. |
| 02:46.11 | bugQ | hears silent agreement. |
| 02:46.20 | blast007 | or just silence |
| 02:46.28 | blast007 | ;) |
| 02:46.36 | Flash | "the sounds of silence" |
| 02:46.55 | blast007 | Flash: that would be a great audio CD to sell. It could just be a blank CD-R. ;) |
| 02:47.27 | spldart | mmmMMMmmm a .cda of lots of 0 bits |
| 02:47.34 | Flash | The Sound of Silence3:07Simon & GarfunkelThe Best of Simon & Garfunkel$0.99Folk |
| 02:47.43 | Flash | darn, I was hoping that was a link |
| 02:47.48 | bugQ | Already been done. It's a single of John Cage's 4'33". |
| 02:48.01 | Flash | http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?i=192775853&id=192775840&s=143441 |
| 02:48.36 | brlcad | bugQ: there is hopefully next year too ;) |
| 02:48.58 | bugQ | oh, yeah. always there is next year. |
| 02:49.19 | blast007 | except for the year 2012. That's when the world is gonna end. |
| 02:49.26 | blast007 | The aliens are coming. |
| 02:49.36 | Flash | remember 2525? |
| 02:49.37 | blast007 | or so says some late night radio show. |
| 02:49.45 | bugQ | if not that, then ozone is gone by 2020. |
| 02:50.11 | brlcad | blast007: coming? we're already here. |
| 02:50.13 | Flash | http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?i=165399445&id=165398862&s=143441 |
| 02:50.18 | blast007 | brlcad: hehe.. |
| 02:50.26 | spldart | I've got the 'O' zone hanging |
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| 02:52.24 | spldart | Man.. I bring the *crickets* |
| 02:52.40 | Flash | chirp |
| 02:52.45 | blast007 | Ignition... that name sounds familiar |
| 02:53.39 | blast007 | hmm, guess it was just from a simple conversation with them |
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| 02:57.22 | Lukstr | howdy spldart |
| 02:59.37 | spldart | Hi Dee Ho |
| 02:59.54 | Flash | who is Dee Ho? |
| 03:01.56 | bugQ | you probably don't want to know. |
| 03:02.29 | Lukstr | heeey mentors, I don't mean to pester, but should I expect any more comments over the next few days? |
| 03:03.11 | brlcad | points at topic |
| 03:04.11 | Lukstr | aye brlcad, patient I will be then |
| 03:05.31 | Lukstr | how many apps did you lads end up getting this year? |
| 03:09.09 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16927 10/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: read in the PROGRAMFILES env var so we have a localized installer that works on non-english Windows |
| 03:09.31 | Lukstr | brlcad: nice |
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| 03:09.48 | Lukstr | that was a problem I ran into a lot last summer |
| 03:10.02 | brlcad | really? never heard anyone report it here |
| 03:10.10 | Lukstr | not with BZflag but with other software |
| 03:10.28 | Lukstr | I was part of the translation team |
| 03:10.30 | Lukstr | for some software |
| 03:12.24 | Lukstr | It wasn't fun :( |
| 03:12.34 | brlcad | ~((7000.0 / 6179.0) - 1.0) * 100.0 |
| 03:12.34 | ibot | 13.286939634245 |
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| 03:12.56 | brlcad | hm, odds are much better this year for applicants compared to last year |
| 03:13.13 | JeffM | how many total? |
| 03:13.17 | brlcad | 7k |
| 03:13.24 | JeffM | how many last year? |
| 03:14.00 | brlcad | orgs and slots increase by roughly 30%, submissions only by 13% |
| 03:14.08 | brlcad | 6.2k |
| 03:18.54 | JeffM | I wonder why the overall submissions re not larger |
| 03:19.36 | bugQ | students wouldn't spread the word, since it would decrease they're odds. |
| 03:19.38 | bugQ | i dunno. |
| 03:19.56 | brlcad | still thinks easter had a huge impact |
| 03:20.07 | JeffM | probably |
| 03:20.17 | bugQ | *their. |
| 03:20.25 | bugQ | homonyms grr. |
| 03:21.07 | brlcad | short_circuit: heh, sorry |
| 03:21.36 | Lukstr | yeah, I don't remember what happened last year but the timing this year was pretty bad |
| 03:21.40 | short_circuit | np |
| 03:23.15 | brlcad | thinks he somehow instinctively associates short_circuit with young teenage memories |
| 03:23.29 | brlcad | you hear they're making another movie? |
| 03:23.30 | JeffM | NO DISASEMBLE! |
| 03:24.06 | Lukstr | wonders if he timed out or something |
| 03:24.12 | Lukstr | movie? |
| 03:24.22 | brlcad | johnny five.... IS ALIVE!!! |
| 03:24.37 | JeffM | lukstr when were you born? |
| 03:24.54 | Lukstr | '88 |
| 03:24.59 | JeffM | DAMN |
| 03:25.08 | brlcad | two years too late |
| 03:25.17 | brlcad | and yeah.. *damn* |
| 03:25.18 | JeffM | now I feel so very very old |
| 03:25.21 | Lukstr | what happened in 86 that was so glorious? |
| 03:25.24 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:25.24 | spldart | meh |
| 03:26.12 | spldart | 86 |
| 03:26.12 | JeffM | and you shuddap too mr .1985 |
| 03:26.13 | spldart | reagan second term |
| 03:26.13 | spldart | My sr year in hs |
| 03:26.13 | DTRemenak | if you were born in 86 or before, you are drinking age in the US. I'm guessing that's what they're after. |
| 03:26.13 | spldart | The cars were on mtv |
| 03:26.17 | brlcad | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091949/ |
| 03:26.18 | JeffM | DTRemenak, not you ttoo |
| 03:26.25 | JeffM | totaly |
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| 03:26.41 | Lukstr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_5 |
| 03:26.41 | JeffM | short fraeking circuit |
| 03:26.53 | DTRemenak | ah, wasn't reading the backlog |
| 03:26.55 | brlcad | classic |
| 03:28.19 | DTRemenak | and yeah, you're very very old :P |
| 03:28.22 | DTRemenak | runs away |
| 03:30.25 | brlcad | mails JeffM a box of 80's garbage pail kids to throw at DTRemenak |
| 03:30.49 | JeffM | those... were stupid |
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| 03:31.11 | brlcad | that's why a box of them can be put to good use as a projectile |
| 03:31.19 | I_Died_Once | is still waiting for his BZFlag T-Shirt |
| 03:31.30 | brlcad | otherwise you could beat him over the hood with a cabbage patch kid |
| 03:31.43 | I_Died_Once | hopes it comes tomorrow so hew can take a picture of himself in it |
| 03:31.46 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, was sent out friday IIRC |
| 03:31.50 | JeffM | should |
| 03:31.58 | JeffM | did it send you tracking info? |
| 03:32.34 | I_Died_Once | i think so |
| 03:32.45 | I_Died_Once | if it aint come by tomorrow i'll start tracking |
| 03:32.49 | JeffM | k |
| 03:32.50 | I_Died_Once | where it is coming out of? |
| 03:32.55 | JeffM | socal |
| 03:33.03 | I_Died_Once | you guys are in Butt Montana, right ? |
| 03:33.15 | I_Died_Once | Walla Walla Washington ??? |
| 03:33.16 | JeffM | it was droped off at the post office friday night |
| 03:34.03 | I_Died_Once | oh gawd some nigga in south central is gonna be wearing mah shirt |
| 03:34.12 | JeffM | language pelase |
| 03:34.22 | I_Died_Once | English |
| 03:34.28 | short_circuit | not funny |
| 03:34.34 | I_Died_Once | pero yo puedo ENsanol tambien |
| 03:34.47 | I_Died_Once | **Espanol |
| 03:35.03 | short_circuit | NO! por favor |
| 03:35.09 | I_Died_Once | por que no? |
| 03:35.18 | I_Died_Once | es un idioma bonita |
| 03:35.34 | I_Died_Once | me gusto muche escribo en Espanol |
| 03:35.54 | short_circuit | Others here do as well |
| 03:36.43 | short_circuit | >south tejas< |
| 03:37.10 | I_Died_Once | >Gringo, Savannah, Georgia< |
| 03:37.30 | short_circuit | <Gringo aqui> |
| 03:37.34 | I_Died_Once | "westside" to be exact |
| 03:38.14 | I_Died_Once | el tienes la cara de ratera |
| 03:39.06 | JeffM | goes back to thinking of spaceship names |
| 03:43.24 | brlcad | I_Died_Once: you like making up words? :) |
| 03:44.44 | brlcad | porque lo que estás diciendo no tiene sentido |
| 03:46.44 | Lukstr | JeffM: spaceship names for what? |
| 03:48.05 | JeffM | my book |
| 03:48.22 | Lukstr | I always liked "Theseus" |
| 03:48.34 | JeffM | fighter name |
| 03:48.51 | Lukstr | oh, heh |
| 03:48.52 | JeffM | like we have "falcon" "eagle" or "raptor" |
| 03:48.57 | Lukstr | any bird of prey |
| 03:48.58 | Lukstr | ahe |
| 03:49.09 | blast007 | "U-Go-B00M" |
| 03:49.18 | Lukstr | Harrier? |
| 03:49.22 | JeffM | the main ship is the USS Hainsborough |
| 03:49.42 | JeffM | I was hoping not to use a current name |
| 03:49.48 | Lukstr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Birds_of_prey |
| 03:49.51 | JeffM | sorry Gainsborough |
| 03:49.58 | JeffM | it does not have to be a bird of prey |
| 03:50.05 | Lukstr | yeah but they're easy :P |
| 03:50.07 | JeffM | just our current ones are |
| 03:50.10 | short_circuit | falcon |
| 03:50.12 | JeffM | easy is not always good |
| 03:50.16 | JeffM | short_circuit, that's current |
| 03:50.25 | short_circuit | poop |
| 03:50.32 | JeffM | no, that would not be a good name |
| 03:50.38 | JeffM | "everyone to your poops" |
| 03:50.40 | short_circuit | LOL.. |
| 03:50.42 | JeffM | see no ring |
| 03:50.45 | Lukstr | haha |
| 03:51.19 | JeffM | I have them named "dash fighters" but that sounds stupid |
| 03:51.32 | Lukstr | gets his thesaurus |
| 03:51.39 | short_circuit | how about 'parts of' .. Everyone to your Talons |
| 03:51.58 | I_Died_Once | brlcad, ok, so i spelled something wrong |
| 03:52.05 | JeffM | Techincal name is the VTA 107 Trans-atmospheri superioirty fighter. |
| 03:52.09 | I_Died_Once | nit IS a second language after all |
| 03:52.30 | I_Died_Once | I can cuss in spanish amost as good as I can cuss in ENglish |
| 03:52.34 | short_circuit | n/m sounds like a car |
| 03:52.34 | I_Died_Once | (almost) |
| 03:52.45 | JeffM | There is also the KC 1052 heavy support craft aka "the pigbelly" |
| 03:52.49 | JeffM | that name I lke |
| 03:52.51 | JeffM | like |
| 03:53.36 | Lukstr | Esprit? |
| 03:53.51 | JeffM | that's a car |
| 03:54.32 | Lukstr | eh, and Torrent is a violent rain |
| 03:54.47 | JeffM | too many conotatons with current technology |
| 03:55.02 | Lukstr | that's my point, they named a car the Torrent |
| 03:55.04 | Lukstr | it's silly |
| 03:55.16 | JeffM | meh |
| 03:56.08 | JeffM | I was trying to stay away from birds cus the main Character's last name is Hawker |
| 03:57.35 | Lukstr | fink? |
| 03:57.59 | JeffM | wonders where he put the pictures of the lego ships he built |
| 03:58.12 | Lukstr | :o you do lego ships? That's like my dream hobby |
| 03:58.21 | Lukstr | delicious greebs |
| 03:58.31 | JeffM | I only made some to try and visualise |
| 03:58.34 | JeffM | I suck at it |
| 03:58.43 | Lukstr | hehe I imagine I would too |
| 03:58.54 | Lukstr | but I'm no good with 3D-modelling software |
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| 03:59.08 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/lego/ |
| 04:00.00 | JeffM | please note that my phone takes crap pictures |
| 04:17.40 | Lukstr | they're decent |
| 04:19.00 | JeffM | ooo I should build them again and use the new camera :) |
| 04:26.29 | Lukstr | JeffM: http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/bz/bzfi0018.png you made these? |
| 04:33.19 | brlcad | indeed he did |
| 04:33.54 | Lukstr | pretty slick |
| 05:00.57 | BulletCatcher | One-line bugfix for the day: add flag.png to the skins_DATA list in data/skins/blue/Makefile.am |
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| 05:29.08 | JeffM | lukstr I did not model those |
| 05:29.22 | Lukstr | JeffM: aww |
| 05:30.50 | JeffM | that one I bought |
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| 05:30.56 | JeffM | I did the other models buried in there |
| 05:33.05 | JeffM | like these http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/Screamers%20Site/Pod.png |
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| 05:35.23 | mib_0c6i6k | const you there? |
| 05:35.57 | pacman87 | ~ask |
| 05:35.57 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 05:38.15 | Lukstr | the pods are pretty slick |
| 05:39.00 | Lukstr | low-poly models with nice textures are sexy |
| 05:40.08 | JeffM | they used to drive like boats |
| 05:40.42 | Lukstr | the pods? |
| 05:41.13 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:41.26 | Lukstr | what game are they for? |
| 05:41.56 | JeffM | an expirment |
| 05:42.18 | Lukstr | reminds me of f-zero |
| 05:44.56 | JeffM | it started on the mac, long long long ago |
| 05:45.05 | Lukstr | hehe |
| 05:45.07 | JeffM | with an engine called '3d game machine' |
| 05:45.23 | pacman87 | sounds like how halo started |
| 05:45.41 | JeffM | way before halo |
| 05:45.51 | JeffM | halo was made to be marathon 4 |
| 05:45.59 | Lukstr | marathon was wicked |
| 05:46.05 | pacman87 | how is 4>infinity? |
| 05:46.06 | JeffM | mythathon |
| 05:48.17 | Lukstr | Marathon: NaN |
| 05:49.34 | JeffM | 3GM was like system 7 |
| 05:49.38 | JeffM | all software |
| 05:49.57 | JeffM | when you were 6 ;) |
| 05:50.40 | Lukstr | haha |
| 05:52.42 | Lukstr | anything playable come out of it? |
| 05:54.38 | JeffM | no game like stuff, but you could drive around |
| 05:56.25 | pacman87 | did it have ramps/non-level surfaces? </troll> |
| 05:57.29 | JeffM | it would have, yes |
| 06:03.34 | pacman87 | how did it die? |
| 06:04.49 | JeffM | software never dies |
| 06:05.00 | JeffM | it just sits on a harddrive |
| 06:05.02 | JeffM | I still have it |
| 06:06.09 | pacman87 | so it's hibernating |
| 06:06.19 | JeffM | umm sure |
| 06:06.39 | JeffM | if I worked on it tho I'd implement it in the GPX core or torque |
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| 06:37.18 | Flash | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.27 | Flash | google marathon map makers guild |
| 06:37.57 | Lukstr | yeah |
| 06:38.07 | Lukstr | There was a big port of it to a standalone engine |
| 06:38.13 | Lukstr | can't remember the name |
| 06:38.19 | pacman87 | aleph one? |
| 06:38.25 | Lukstr | graphics overhauled, the music's all been remixed too |
| 06:38.26 | Lukstr | yeah |
| 06:38.28 | Lukstr | that's the one |
| 06:39.57 | pacman87 | i played through marathon my freshman year |
| 06:40.16 | pacman87 | was disappointed there wasn't support for the 360 controller |
| 06:40.54 | Lukstr | dear god |
| 06:41.27 | Flash | I'm pretty sure it's all LUA now |
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| 11:32.48 | Flash | spldart: WAKE UP |
| 11:34.18 | whodaman | nu-uh |
| 11:38.22 | Flash | ~coffe whodaman |
| 11:38.47 | Flash | ~coffee whodaman |
| 11:38.47 | ibot | ACTION steals some of dcat's special coffee and gives it to whodaman on a silver platter. |
| 11:39.31 | whodaman | yeah, coffee is a hard one |
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| 11:46.35 | spldart | Was catching up on backlog |
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| 12:41.55 | spldart | gah... I really can't type anymore |
| 12:42.08 | spldart | I've really got to get on the wagon |
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| 17:47.21 | JeffM | yay |
| 17:47.28 | mayB | hi |
| 17:47.29 | JeffM | makes mayB welcome |
| 17:48.45 | mayB | thanks ...;0 |
| 17:48.47 | mayB | ;0 |
| 17:48.50 | mayB | :) |
| 17:48.51 | L4m3r | o_O |
| 17:50.38 | JeffM | mayB, so what are your patch ideas? |
| 17:51.25 | mayB | still thinking ? |
| 17:51.30 | JeffM | ok |
| 17:51.38 | JeffM | feel free to discuss them here if you want |
| 17:51.43 | mayB | ya sure |
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| 17:53.24 | donny_baker | wore my hoodie to work this morning... quite a few people were asking about it :) |
| 17:53.42 | JeffM | donny_baker, cool, make them buy medium shirts :) |
| 17:53.52 | donny_baker | can do :) |
| 17:59.09 | JeffM | heh |
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| 19:33.13 | Constitution | Erroneous: I was born in '87, and am now of legal drinking age ;) |
| 19:33.29 | JeffM | when was your birfday? |
| 19:33.36 | Constitution | March 27 |
| 19:33.37 | Erroneous | Constitution: correct, but there are people born in '87 who are not yet :) |
| 19:33.39 | whodaman- | yeah....I noticed that lately |
| 19:33.43 | whodaman- | runs |
| 19:33.43 | Constitution | true :) |
| 19:33.59 | JeffM | happy post dated birthday |
| 19:34.07 | Erroneous | indeed |
| 19:34.22 | Lukstr | laughs at silly American drinking ages |
| 19:34.32 | Constitution | My sister and brother-in-law bought me some sort of... something (alcoholic beverage) for my birthday... I'm kinda scared to try it :P |
| 19:34.34 | Winny | ~hapbir Constitution |
| 19:34.35 | ibot | ACTION sings a variant of Happy Birthday (to avoid royalty fees) to Constitution |
| 19:34.36 | Constitution | and thank you |
| 19:34.36 | whodaman- | Lukstr, where are you from? :) |
| 19:34.39 | Lukstr | Canada |
| 19:34.44 | Winny | \o/ |
| 19:34.58 | JeffM | it's 3 years, a pittance in the grand sceeme |
| 19:35.03 | whodaman- | 16 ftw |
| 19:35.43 | JeffM | uploads better pictures of his legos |
| 19:37.13 | Lukstr | JeffM: it's been a lego morning for me, here |
| 19:37.19 | JeffM | heh |
| 19:37.25 | Lukstr | I've killed half the day browsing brickshelf |
| 19:37.58 | JeffM | I spend the morning reading applications and working on CRC implementations |
| 19:38.04 | Epyon | Who needs legal drinking age anyway :P |
| 19:38.20 | Constitution | anyone who doesn't want to get severely burned by the police |
| 19:38.31 | Epyon | laughs at the fact that in the US people first learn to drive and the to drink ^_^ |
| 19:38.45 | Epyon | Kinda... accident prone :P |
| 19:38.45 | whodaman- | Epyon, ! |
| 19:38.46 | whodaman- | indeed |
| 19:38.49 | Lukstr | Constitution: it seems to me that underage drinking is taken much more seriously in the states than anywhere else :P |
| 19:38.57 | Epyon | Yeah. |
| 19:39.09 | Constitution | true... still, the law is the law |
| 19:39.13 | Epyon | was almost caught in the states for that. |
| 19:40.13 | Lukstr | Constitution: you wouldn't like frosh week in university in Canada then :P |
| 19:41.38 | Constitution | hmmm ;) |
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| 19:56.19 | JeffM | there we go, CRC comands are done. |
| 19:56.32 | JeffM | now Epyon you get what you wanted to do for your patch worked out? |
| 19:57.08 | JeffM | and who else still needs to do a patch, Constitution, mayb, anyone else? |
| 19:57.21 | Lukstr | wants to do another if time permits |
| 19:57.43 | JeffM | you can do as many as you want, even after the deadline :) |
| 19:57.53 | Lukstr | hehe |
| 19:58.02 | Lukstr | it sucks that I have exams right now |
| 19:58.05 | Epyon | JeffM, is there an official patch deadline? |
| 19:58.20 | mayB | good question |
| 19:58.27 | JeffM | Epyon, we woudl want it this week |
| 19:58.29 | JeffM | sooner is better |
| 19:58.35 | Epyon | I know |
| 19:58.37 | JeffM | basicly we are ranking this week |
| 19:58.48 | Epyon | I want to take a look at the Font Manager related bugs |
| 19:58.58 | JeffM | if we don't have it by the end of that, it affects your ranking |
| 19:59.05 | JeffM | Epyon, honestly, I'd stay away from that |
| 19:59.07 | JeffM | it's in flux |
| 19:59.14 | Epyon | D; |
| 19:59.15 | JeffM | much of it's code has been removed |
| 19:59.28 | Epyon | You ruin my conception each time I have one :P |
| 19:59.30 | JeffM | to find a crash |
| 19:59.57 | JeffM | no, you just seem to always pick the ones that are tricky rather then going for the simpler ones. |
| 20:00.03 | Lukstr | will be back shortly |
| 20:00.09 | JeffM | you are welcome to do it, but I think you will run in to issues |
| 20:00.18 | JeffM | just my personal opinon to you, that's all |
| 20:00.26 | JeffM | take it as ayou see fit |
| 20:00.26 | Epyon | Where won't I? :P |
| 20:00.32 | JeffM | other places |
| 20:00.38 | donny_baker | Epyon: the goal is to do one, not impress us... just to make sure you can :P |
| 20:00.44 | JeffM | indeed |
| 20:01.03 | JeffM | the closer the patch is to the ranking deadline the less time we have to look at it |
| 20:01.28 | JeffM | and also the woorse it looks for you because it means you leave thigns to the last minute |
| 20:01.54 | JeffM | techincaly the patch dosn't even have to be usefull, tho that does look better |
| 20:02.08 | mayB | patch can be improvement right? .... it need not solve a bug |
| 20:02.17 | JeffM | it can be anything |
| 20:02.25 | Epyon | JeffM, we are not supposed to have free time now, but during the program :) |
| 20:02.29 | JeffM | if it's in imporovemnet you realy should discus it here |
| 20:02.33 | Epyon | My free time now is almost none ;( |
| 20:02.44 | JeffM | Epyon, your call |
| 20:02.52 | JeffM | submit a patch that just moves some stuff around |
| 20:03.01 | JeffM | for you, we have other examples of your code |
| 20:03.33 | Epyon | JeffM, I wanted to plug out the Explosions code from playing.cxx, but you said it's a bad idea. |
| 20:04.33 | JeffM | Epyon, if you are straped for time, just do anything |
| 20:04.59 | mayB | my idea was to add a recoil effect to the tank after ti fires a shot |
| 20:05.00 | mayB | ? |
| 20:05.12 | JeffM | cool |
| 20:05.31 | Epyon | mayB, however, believe me that it's harder than it sounds :) |
| 20:06.26 | mayB | problem is ... time .... i will give it a shot .... today |
| 20:06.28 | Erroneous | actually that sounds pretty straightforward. just need to add another component to the velocity for a few updates |
| 20:06.43 | mayB | ya ... i also thought the same way |
| 20:06.48 | JeffM | ooo a patch idea AND a pun ;) |
| 20:07.00 | Erroneous | heh |
| 20:07.04 | mayB | haha |
| 20:07.08 | Epyon | JeffM, BUGS states "- exploding tank parts sometimes move along the ground instead of |
| 20:07.18 | JeffM | that was actualy fixed |
| 20:07.23 | JeffM | that needs to be moved |
| 20:07.33 | Erroneous | hm, Lukstr forgot to include the change to the BUGS file in his patch? :) |
| 20:07.35 | JeffM | wo applied the patch for that? |
| 20:07.37 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:08.11 | Constitution | JeffM: my patch is ready, I can post it today |
| 20:08.15 | Constitution | rotating turrets |
| 20:08.21 | catay | I think the 'idban doesn't respect antiban perm' is also fixed |
| 20:08.21 | Epyon | D: |
| 20:08.48 | JeffM | Constitution, heh go for it |
| 20:08.56 | Constitution | heh |
| 20:09.12 | Constitution | I think I still owe you two bug fixes, don't I? |
| 20:09.18 | Erroneous | heh |
| 20:09.46 | Erroneous | JeffM: looks like brlcad did |
| 20:10.55 | catay | it's not possible to idban a player when ANTIBAN perm is set in groupfile |
| 20:11.42 | mayB | heh guys .... can you suggest anything regarding: how can calculate the resources ( time memeory ) required when detecting collisions for mesh objects |
| 20:11.55 | catay | there is a check in doBanKick(..) in BanCommands.cxx which is used by IdBanCommands(...) |
| 20:12.08 | Erroneous | ah, that got refactored then |
| 20:12.13 | Erroneous | cool |
| 20:12.51 | catay | there is also a check in BanCommands() which is not needed I think , as later doBanKick() gets called there |
| 20:12.53 | Erroneous | do they still "report the wrong time remaining on idbanlist"? |
| 20:12.58 | catay | yes |
| 20:13.06 | Erroneous | catay: patches welcome to remove dead code too :) |
| 20:13.09 | catay | idbanlist is 1 minute different |
| 20:13.18 | catay | i'm still trying to find out why |
| 20:13.25 | Thumper_ | but /ban reload doesn't respect antiban and boots players |
| 20:13.39 | Thumper_ | still hasn't got around to fixing that :( |
| 20:13.51 | Erroneous | Thumper_: on trunk? |
| 20:13.54 | Epyon | JeffM, just got word that the package arrived. |
| 20:13.55 | catay | yes , i will make one to remove that, gonna test if first :) |
| 20:14.30 | JeffM | Epyon, cool |
| 20:14.33 | Thumper_ | Erroneous: um... not sure about trunk. |
| 20:14.51 | Erroneous | suspects that was hit by the refactoring also, but will go look |
| 20:16.05 | brlcad | hum, what'd I do? (or not do?) |
| 20:17.03 | Thumper_ | is probably thinking branch not trunk |
| 20:17.49 | brlcad | mayB: it can be anything *except* just ws/formatting changes |
| 20:19.05 | brlcad | wasn't aware that patch was directly related to that bug with the floating bits |
| 20:20.29 | mayB | brclad: are you talking about the recoil effect patch idea |
| 20:22.03 | Lukstr | Erroneous: I didn't fix any bugs |
| 20:22.23 | Erroneous | ah, ok |
| 20:22.33 | Erroneous | was confused |
| 20:23.20 | Lukstr | Erroneous: so was I. I don't think the bug really exists any more, but that's my hunch |
| 20:23.23 | JeffM | brlcad, it was ;) |
| 20:23.38 | JeffM | well your new code makes it so it can't happen |
| 20:23.48 | Lukstr | It couldn't have happened before, really |
| 20:23.52 | JeffM | I think you were correct in your assumtion that it was rand going to 0 |
| 20:23.58 | Lukstr | the *only* way it could have happened was if the tank didn't hop. |
| 20:24.15 | Lukstr | because the pieces are referenced to the tank, when you die they *must* go in a parabola with you, |
| 20:24.22 | Lukstr | the explosion code just moves them relative to that parabola |
| 20:24.27 | JeffM | well no mater what it needs to be pulled from the bugs |
| 20:24.30 | Lukstr | aye |
| 20:24.36 | JeffM | since you've testd it and verified that the code should be fine |
| 20:25.04 | Lukstr | I'll crack into the BUGS file again tomorrow evening after my exam |
| 20:25.32 | Epyon | JeffM, should "bzfs -j +f WG -set _wingsJumpCount 5" work? |
| 20:25.59 | JeffM | I've never used set |
| 20:26.00 | Epyon | Or should anything more should be added to allow multijumps with WG? |
| 20:26.19 | JeffM | the default jump count is infinate IIRC |
| 20:26.31 | Epyon | There's a bugreport about it not working in BUGS |
| 20:26.43 | Epyon | JeffM, wiki states it's one :/ |
| 20:26.52 | blast007 | it is one |
| 20:26.57 | JeffM | the only thing I'm not sure there is the formating of the -set |
| 20:27.02 | JeffM | if it takes one or 2 marmaters |
| 20:27.04 | JeffM | paramaters |
| 20:27.11 | JeffM | but yeah otherwise that looks fine |
| 20:27.33 | brlcad | liked the floating tank bits *ahem* |
| 20:27.36 | JeffM | I don't know if -set is like +f where it takes the param in a {} |
| 20:27.59 | Lukstr | brlcad: before or after? :P |
| 20:28.30 | Lukstr | (my patch) |
| 20:28.49 | Erroneous | -set takes two parameters, so yes, that should work |
| 20:29.04 | brlcad | Lukstr: just a joke, that bug has been in there for years |
| 20:29.17 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16928 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: remove bugs that done be fixed |
| 20:29.27 | Epyon | iset _boxBase 2 worked :P |
| 20:29.32 | Lukstr | brlcad: ahe, I heard about thatr :P Do you think that the new explosion is any good? :P |
| 20:29.59 | brlcad | still haven't seen it |
| 20:30.06 | brlcad | when I applied it, the client wouldn't connect |
| 20:30.12 | Lukstr | ah |
| 20:31.15 | Epyon | Okay, so it seems _wingsJumpCount is broken |
| 20:31.46 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16929 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/BanCommands.cxx: ws |
| 20:31.58 | Thumper_ | Erroneous: yeah I think it's still there (in trunk) |
| 20:32.17 | Thumper_ | if a plugin does a ban reload it defaults to isOperator=true which ignores player antiban perms |
| 20:32.58 | Thumper_ | can we just change the default for isOperator on rescanForBans ? |
| 20:33.02 | Erroneous | why do reloads allow overrides of antibans? we don't know whether the banner could override or not... |
| 20:33.10 | Thumper_ | no idea - no good reason I can thin of |
| 20:33.13 | Thumper_ | think* |
| 20:33.14 | Erroneous | pulls it :) |
| 20:33.30 | Thumper_ | if you're an operator you can ban other players with antiban |
| 20:33.36 | Thumper_ | and the server kicks but they can just rejoin |
| 20:33.43 | Thumper_ | if global perms give them antiban so it's kind of pointless |
| 20:33.48 | Thumper_ | maybe it made sense before global auth... |
| 20:34.40 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16930 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: /ban reload should never override antiban |
| 20:34.59 | Erroneous | heh. that is kinda silly... |
| 20:35.57 | Thumper_ | now isOperator is a noop |
| 20:36.05 | Erroneous | good point |
| 20:36.06 | Thumper_ | should probably just pull that param too |
| 20:36.18 | Erroneous | so why do we allow operators to override the antiban at all? |
| 20:36.31 | Erroneous | just out of curiosity |
| 20:36.55 | Erroneous | I mean, why would you ban a player that's in a group that you've said can't be banned...rather than removing them from the group? |
| 20:37.19 | Thumper_ | it doesn't make any sense to me :) |
| 20:37.20 | Erroneous | thinks the whole thing is silly |
| 20:37.48 | Thumper_ | for a whitelist you grant anti ban |
| 20:38.01 | Thumper_ | and if someone does a range/ip ban you should be exempt |
| 20:38.20 | Thumper_ | currently it' kicks off players and they can just rejoin but of course their score is toast |
| 20:39.02 | Erroneous | right...why would an admin choose to do that rather than pulling the player off of the whitelist, though? |
| 20:39.51 | Thumper_ | they wouldn't :) |
| 20:40.18 | Thumper_ | I don't use whitelists but other server owners do and they've noticed whitelisted players still getting booted on plugin ban reloads |
| 20:41.29 | Thumper_ | your latest commit looks good to me except for removing the isOperator param altogether since it doesn nothing now. I can take care of that if you don't get to it |
| 20:42.47 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16931 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (BanCommands.cxx bzfs.cxx bzfs.h commands.cxx): operators can no longer directly override antiban just by virtue of being an operator. if you are really an op you can just pull the dude's antiban perm. |
| 20:44.18 | Erroneous | that should take care of it |
| 20:44.20 | Thumper_ | Erroneous: thx :) |
| 20:45.54 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16932 10/trunk/bzflag/NEWS: ops no longer automatically override antiban. |
| 20:52.36 | donny_baker | ~blast007++ |
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| 20:52.48 | Epyon | is there a command that I type info from the client code to the client console easily? |
| 20:52.57 | Epyon | For debuging purposes |
| 20:53.23 | JeffM | Epyon, huh? |
| 20:53.26 | Erroneous | huh? |
| 20:54.10 | Epyon | Console:print("I'm in jump()") :P |
| 20:54.17 | Epyon | smth like that |
| 20:54.19 | JeffM | oh |
| 20:54.20 | JeffM | yeah |
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| 20:54.27 | Erroneous | ControlPanel::addMessage |
| 20:54.29 | JeffM | yeah that |
| 20:54.31 | Erroneous | or printError |
| 20:54.33 | Epyon | thx |
| 20:54.37 | Erroneous | either one |
| 20:54.54 | Erroneous | ControlPanel::addMessage is accessible less places than printError |
| 20:55.14 | Erroneous | but has less-weird syntax |
| 20:55.23 | JeffM | lukstr, it still needs a name :) http://picasaweb.google.com/JeffM2501/Lego |
| 21:00.06 | TD-Linux | JeffM, you're pretty good with legos |
| 21:00.12 | JeffM | not really |
| 21:00.40 | TD-Linux | better than me |
| 21:00.49 | TD-Linux | or, at least you have all the fancy space parts :P |
| 21:04.35 | Lukstr | Cobra? :P |
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| 21:38.59 | Flash | or non-windowed mode, for that matter |
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| 21:50.19 | Epyon | JeffM, what does it mean if BZDB.eval returnes one value at the client, and another at the server? |
| 21:53.36 | blast007 | Epyon: that means it's time to get the debugger out |
| 21:53.37 | JeffM | Epyon, that there hasn't been a sync yet |
| 21:54.16 | Epyon | But other values are passed |
| 21:54.27 | Epyon | The one I'm looking at isn't |
| 21:54.36 | JeffM | what var is it? |
| 21:54.54 | Epyon | _wingsJumCount ;] |
| 21:54.58 | Epyon | Jump* |
| 21:55.18 | Epyon | The Client doesn't get that var. |
| 21:55.38 | JeffM | you steped into the set and watched it send out the update message? |
| 21:55.41 | Epyon | That's why that bug noted in BUGS happens |
| 21:55.52 | Epyon | Nope |
| 21:56.07 | JeffM | that'd be thing to do |
| 21:56.10 | Epyon | I don't get how BZDB works at all yet |
| 21:56.13 | JeffM | step in see where it goes |
| 21:56.34 | Epyon | I was wondering if there's a "list of sent values" anywhere |
| 21:56.48 | JeffM | global.cxx |
| 21:56.51 | Epyon | But from what you say it means that the vars are updated realtime? |
| 21:56.56 | JeffM | that has all the server vars and the permisions |
| 21:57.00 | JeffM | bzdb is a generic system |
| 21:57.04 | blast007 | Epyon: there is a message that sends all the updates too, so you could see which ones are being sent |
| 21:57.05 | JeffM | yes |
| 21:57.11 | JeffM | that is the entire POINT of bzdb |
| 21:57.13 | JeffM | realtime updates |
| 21:57.57 | Epyon | ok, thanks |
| 21:59.41 | Epyon | What does "persistent" mean in terms of BZDB values? |
| 22:00.04 | purple_cow | written out to the config file |
| 22:00.14 | Epyon | ah, thanks |
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| 22:14.12 | JeffM | haha, purple_cow saw bzdb ;) |
| 22:19.41 | purple_cow | JeffM: what really scares me is how similar it is to VMDB ;) |
| 22:19.52 | JeffM | hah |
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| 22:21.19 | Epyon | JeffM, seems that NO variables are passed from the server to the client at all |
| 22:22.45 | JeffM | Epyon, that would be bad |
| 22:22.52 | Epyon | It is bad :P |
| 22:23.03 | Epyon | I'll see if I can fix it |
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| 22:45.44 | catay | DTRemenak: that small code removal patch is on the tracker |
| 22:46.18 | catay | bedtime for me : |
| 22:46.23 | catay | nite folks |
| 22:47.06 | Winny | night |
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| 23:37.26 | Constitution | looks like KingOfCamelot put a lot of work into his patch |
| 23:37.36 | Constitution | and I kinda like the idea :) |
| 23:39.57 | spldart | pweeze point me to it? |
| 23:40.36 | spldart | 1930606 ? |
| 23:44.42 | Epyon | Ooookay.... the way I understand it... |
| 23:45.08 | Epyon | The Client connects to the server, and sends a MsgSetVar request |
| 23:45.46 | Epyon | The server send MsgSetVar to the client, the client handles it in handleMsgSetVars... right? |
| 23:45.59 | JeffM | for the inital data sure |
| 23:46.11 | JeffM | then anytime a var cahgnes it sends another messageSetVar |
| 23:46.15 | JeffM | for the changed data |
| 23:46.19 | JeffM | to update them all live |
| 23:46.22 | Epyon | So the joke is that handleMsgSetVars never gets called initialy. |
| 23:46.33 | JeffM | why not? |
| 23:46.43 | Epyon | I dunno yet |
| 23:46.52 | Epyon | But it doesn't. |
| 23:46.53 | JeffM | so the server isn't sending out the vars on connect |
| 23:47.04 | Epyon | Yes. |
| 23:47.07 | Epyon | So it seems |
| 23:47.10 | JeffM | compare it back to branch and see where it sends the vars |
| 23:47.16 | JeffM | it should happen in the same place on trunk |
| 23:47.38 | Epyon | branch? |
| 23:47.40 | Epyon | Which one? |
| 23:47.45 | JeffM | *sigh* |
| 23:47.47 | JeffM | 2.0.x |
| 23:48.00 | Epyon | just checking |
| 23:48.01 | JeffM | the one that has been "branch" for the past 3 years ;) |
| 23:48.44 | Epyon | Darn it. 2 hours code reading and I feel a lot wiser, but not a step closer. |
| 23:49.31 | JeffM | sure you are |
| 23:49.36 | JeffM | you know what to look for |
| 23:49.39 | JeffM | that's a lot clooser |
| 23:49.57 | JeffM | just a simple debug and backtrace in branch now and then match it up to trunk |
| 23:50.08 | JeffM | there will be a place in branch that sends out the message |
| 23:50.15 | JeffM | you can find it by searching for the message name |
| 23:50.20 | JeffM | then put a breakpoint there |
| 23:50.33 | JeffM | then just see who called that from the callstack |
| 23:50.45 | JeffM | then find the same place in trunk and see what's up |
| 23:51.15 | Epyon | Kay, but I think I'll have to leave that for tommorow :/ |
| 23:51.43 | Epyon | I need to prepare for tommorows classes. |
| 23:51.49 | JeffM | have fun |
| 23:52.02 | spldart | ooOOoo.. is this the patch that crashed my windows machine on sunday? |
| 23:52.11 | Epyon | At least I know that MsgSetVar isn't called. |
| 23:52.21 | JeffM | well you know it's not received |
| 23:52.25 | JeffM | now you need to find where it's sent |
| 23:53.20 | JeffM | I mean I found where it's sent with a couple searches |
| 23:53.34 | Epyon | So did I in trunk |
| 23:53.42 | JeffM | hmm vars is still using the old direct message buffer.... |
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| 23:55.39 | JeffM | hmmm I do not like how the inital vars are sent out |
| 23:55.50 | JeffM | sending in a destructor.. not intutive |
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| 23:55.54 | JeffM | OO gone wrong |
| 23:56.38 | Epyon | ~PackVars? |
| 23:56.52 | JeffM | the bot dosn't know about our source code |
| 23:56.55 | JeffM | ;) |
| 23:57.10 | Epyon | lol :D |
