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| 00:23.13 | Winny | JeffM: hurt how much in shipping? |
| 00:23.29 | Winny | oh my.. 31.15 |
| 00:23.31 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:23.34 | Winny | For Canada, too :/ |
| 00:23.39 | JeffM | I'll check |
| 00:23.43 | JeffM | maybe not |
| 00:24.54 | JeffM | 23$ |
| 00:25.21 | JeffM | I could get it down to like 10, but no tracking, and it may take a while |
| 00:25.31 | Winny | 23 is fine |
| 00:25.48 | JeffM | I'll make a canada/mexico option |
| 00:26.17 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:26.19 | JeffM | ALL of them |
| 00:26.57 | KTL | the new national emblem |
| 00:29.30 | AHA | Is this avatar appropriate? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/images/avatars/uploads/45808815747d0797ac9882.png |
| 00:29.39 | AHA | Yet another z[h]ero avatar |
| 00:29.46 | Winny | JeffM: You said that a t-shirt and hoodie fit in the box? |
| 00:30.02 | JeffM | Winny, barely |
| 00:30.29 | JeffM | when we have the shits made I'll work out a free shiping cupon for you to use when you order the shirt ;) |
| 00:30.35 | JeffM | shirts, sorry |
| 00:30.38 | AHA | lol |
| 00:31.12 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:31.15 | JeffM | I can see that |
| 00:31.20 | JeffM | we can work it out |
| 00:31.38 | KTL | that's going to be expensive for europe |
| 00:31.40 | Winny | if you hold them until July I can come pick them up myself :P |
| 00:31.59 | JeffM | you coming down to LA area? |
| 00:32.07 | Winny | I that's the plan |
| 00:32.13 | JeffM | where in LA? |
| 00:32.14 | Winny | err, I believe* |
| 00:33.22 | Winny | not 100% sure yet.. we were either going to LA or SF |
| 00:33.45 | JeffM | ahh |
| 00:33.48 | JeffM | big diff |
| 00:33.54 | JeffM | more to see and do in SF, honestly |
| 00:34.04 | Erroneous | very true |
| 00:34.43 | JeffM | ok here it is, I can send you a gift certificate for the shiping cost of one shirt when you pre-order the hoodie :) |
| 00:35.00 | JeffM | that way you can buy the shirt, and apply the cert to that and just pay the shirt price, and it all gets tracked :) |
| 00:35.07 | Winny | :o |
| 00:35.32 | JeffM | I don't have all sorts of wacky shiping combination options unfortonatly :( |
| 00:36.33 | JeffM | wish I could do a "free shipping for one item" coupon, then I could send one out to everyone that does a preorder hoodie |
| 00:38.32 | JeffM | All the pre-order pages should have canadian options now :) |
| 00:39.28 | Winny | :) |
| 00:40.03 | JeffM | and there is now even one for brlcad's special shirt |
| 00:40.59 | Erroneous | gonna let others pre-order that also, or keep it brlcad-special? |
| 00:41.09 | JeffM | may as well let others |
| 00:41.12 | JeffM | thats why I put it there |
| 00:41.12 | Erroneous | cool |
| 00:41.24 | JeffM | since it's decently easy to do the pre-orders this way |
| 00:41.39 | JeffM | I guessed on the price |
| 00:41.56 | Winny | the hoodie comes up as 35.95$ in cart, I guess it adds the shipping on? |
| 00:41.59 | JeffM | based on what he wanted for another american appreal shirt and what american appreal was charging for it |
| 00:42.11 | JeffM | Winny, yeah for the preorders it's all together |
| 00:42.15 | JeffM | as an option |
| 00:42.19 | Winny | ah |
| 00:42.39 | JeffM | I have no way to tell the software that hoodies are big and can't fit into a priority envelope ;) |
| 00:42.54 | JeffM | so I did the shiping there as an option on the item |
| 00:42.59 | Winny | a doll hoodie! |
| 00:43.16 | JeffM | that way we also have it as a record in the order since they have to ship later |
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| 00:46.34 | Winny | "100 Units in Stock"? :p |
| 00:46.43 | JeffM | they are pre-order |
| 00:46.55 | JeffM | if I put 0, then it won't sell them to you |
| 00:47.02 | Winny | ahh |
| 00:47.08 | JeffM | and if 100 people order them I have bigger issues :) |
| 00:47.20 | Winny | hehe |
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| 01:00.12 | donny_baker | JeffM: i think you may be surprised by the initial order |
| 01:00.38 | Winny | donny_baker is actually ordering 200 shirts |
| 01:00.41 | JeffM | low or high? |
| 01:01.09 | JeffM | for the regular shirts I think we'll sell out, the special orders, I don't know |
| 01:01.13 | donny_baker | well 100 is probably too many but I think you'll be around 50 |
| 01:01.22 | JeffM | 50 hoodies? |
| 01:01.26 | donny_baker | for pre-orders |
| 01:01.37 | donny_baker | yep.. lots of people talking bout em |
| 01:01.38 | JeffM | for hoodies and the brlcad mussile shirt? |
| 01:01.43 | donny_baker | but i could be wrong |
| 01:01.57 | JeffM | we arn't doing preorders for the regular shirts |
| 01:02.00 | donny_baker | we will see |
| 01:02.05 | donny_baker | right |
| 01:02.17 | JeffM | well see when we have a design ;) |
| 01:02.21 | donny_baker | if we hit a good design |
| 01:02.28 | donny_baker | doh you beat me |
| 01:02.51 | Winny | but you have mine ;p |
| 01:02.55 | JeffM | I'm going to do a backup design that will work no mater what. |
| 01:02.58 | JeffM | yes we have yours |
| 01:03.08 | JeffM | I expect in the end we'll have some kind of vote thing |
| 01:03.15 | JeffM | where I post them all on the mentor blog |
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| 01:03.43 | whodaman- | or god |
| 01:03.51 | whodaman- | Naveedbzflag, yeah, I'm here |
| 01:03.54 | whodaman- | s/or/oh |
| 01:03.54 | Winny | hehe |
| 01:04.03 | Constitution | will we choose more than one final design? or are we only making one shirt |
| 01:04.17 | JeffM | for this first run we will make one shirt |
| 01:04.23 | Winny | Constitution, I believe the plan is to make more then one eventually |
| 01:04.31 | JeffM | but that dosn't mean I have to never make more |
| 01:04.32 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:04.42 | JeffM | if we sell over 1/2 the shirts we break even |
| 01:04.46 | JeffM | and I can do another run |
| 01:05.48 | Winny | how many are being printed? 50? |
| 01:05.55 | JeffM | that is the plan |
| 01:06.03 | JeffM | we have just enough money for about that |
| 01:07.00 | JeffM | if we sell out of the shirts, next time I can print 75 shirts ;) |
| 01:08.30 | Think_Differentl | how much are the shirts, and is it possible for local pickup? |
| 01:08.39 | JeffM | 13$ |
| 01:08.44 | Think_Differentl | not bad. |
| 01:08.45 | JeffM | and yeah we can work a deal |
| 01:08.56 | JeffM | tho it's less then 5$ shipping |
| 01:09.13 | Think_Differentl | oh, well in that case, might as well get it shipped :P |
| 01:09.22 | Constitution | going to drive out from DC, Think_Differentl? |
| 01:09.49 | JeffM | when we have them I'll figure out how many I can shove into a tyvec back and then divide that by 4lbs ;) |
| 01:09.50 | Think_Differentl | Constitution, I head out to the west coast every summer/winter, might be going down south for a few days this time. |
| 01:10.20 | JeffM | or for 8ish I can fit a number in a flat rate box |
| 01:11.17 | Constitution | Think_Differentl: ah, was thinking, a drive out to CA and back might cost a bit more than $5 for gas, meals, and time away :) |
| 01:11.23 | Winny | hehe |
| 01:13.00 | Think_Differentl | heh, my dad used to drive from San Leandro out to University of Rochester back then...no FM radio so it was really boring. |
| 01:13.17 | Think_Differentl | but at least gas was cheap. |
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| 01:26.54 | spldart | 8-X |
| 01:27.35 | Winny | yes, be very afraid.. |
| 01:28.56 | Think_Differentl | Winny, what kind of drivers? you guys get tested on whether you can write drivers? |
| 01:29.16 | Think_Differentl | uh, ow? |
| 01:29.46 | spldart | rrrrRRRRrrrrr crash!!! whir whir whir whirwhirwhirrrRRrrRrr... the hubcap comes to a rest |
| 01:30.04 | Think_Differentl | ohh! that kind of drivers test >_< |
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| 01:31.54 | Teamate | hi |
| 01:32.27 | JeffM | hello |
| 01:32.39 | Teamate | what is this place? |
| 01:32.51 | JeffM | an IRC channel for bzflag |
| 01:32.59 | Teamate | oh |
| 01:33.02 | Winny | The parralax between tron and real life |
| 01:33.10 | Winny | so yeah, IRC |
| 01:33.19 | Teamate | cool |
| 01:33.21 | JeffM | you went to the bzflag website to get on this webchat |
| 01:33.48 | Teamate | i know that just wondering what this place was |
| 01:34.03 | Winny | it is the main development channel for BZFlag |
| 01:34.06 | spldart | You passed alot of really cool info to get here :) read up |
| 01:34.27 | Teamate | why is my name teamate? its really teamate joe |
| 01:34.36 | JeffM | you can't have spaces |
| 01:34.38 | spldart | teh space |
| 01:34.40 | spldart | oop |
| 01:34.40 | spldart | sry |
| 01:34.40 | JeffM | IRC dosn't allow it |
| 01:34.57 | Teamate | that sucks |
| 01:35.02 | JeffM | it is what it is |
| 01:35.08 | Winny | not really |
| 01:35.13 | Teamate | i guess |
| 01:35.14 | Winny | it's meant to be a nickname, not a full name :) |
| 01:35.27 | JeffM | the IRC protcoll is space deliminated. |
| 01:35.50 | Winny | I don't see why they did that, it's just an ASCII char |
| 01:36.45 | JeffM | Winny, telnet |
| 01:36.59 | JeffM | IRC is based of telnet and man readable charactes |
| 01:37.12 | JeffM | IRC clients are all new fangled and stuff ;) |
| 01:37.12 | Teamate | g2g bi |
| 01:37.16 | JeffM | see ya |
| 01:37.19 | spldart | Cyah |
| 01:37.29 | Winny | JeffM: ahh, didn't realize that |
| 01:37.36 | Winny | learn something new every day |
| 01:37.46 | spldart | carry over from days of ye old |
| 01:38.08 | JeffM | it all used to be just a telnet client |
| 01:38.22 | JeffM | so the space was to username message ;) |
| 01:38.37 | JeffM | and I don't think they realy thought it out that far |
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| 02:10.09 | JeffM | hmm is 15$ too much to pay for a coffie cup? |
| 02:10.20 | whodaman- | maybe $12 |
| 02:10.29 | JeffM | -12 |
| 02:10.33 | JeffM | ww :) |
| 02:10.41 | whodaman- | :D |
| 02:10.43 | JeffM | that's not too bad |
| 02:10.49 | Winny | JeffM: oh no |
| 02:10.51 | JeffM | they'd basicly cost 8.50 to make |
| 02:10.52 | Winny | coffee cups next? |
| 02:10.57 | JeffM | just thinkin ;) |
| 02:11.04 | Winny | I'll be broke :P |
| 02:11.10 | JeffM | maybe |
| 02:11.20 | JeffM | shipping would be fun |
| 02:11.24 | Winny | hehe |
| 02:11.55 | JeffM | that price is thru cafe press too |
| 02:13.44 | Winny | hmm, BZFlag backpacks? |
| 02:13.54 | Think_Differentl | If you guys could get a design like the Intel mug I have, that'd be perfect. Most coffee cups don't seem to work well for me :P |
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| 02:14.33 | Winny | Think_Differentl, well |
| 02:14.38 | Winny | first you lift up the cup |
| 02:14.50 | Winny | then you bring it to your mouth and tip backwards... perhaps that helps? |
| 02:16.01 | Think_Differentl | Winny, I hold my cups in a different way. |
| 02:16.14 | Winny | special |
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| 02:26.15 | delusional_ | XL and XXl |
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| 02:26.57 | delusional_ | where's the store page.. I've been out. |
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| 02:30.30 | JeffM | yeah yeah, edits |
| 02:31.09 | JeffM | not that you don't have a login too |
| 02:31.12 | brlcad | arf, how the heck do I make drupal e-mail when someone posts a comment |
| 02:31.14 | brlcad | oh yeah |
| 02:31.25 | JeffM | but I'm allreayd in there |
| 02:31.32 | JeffM | you may just want to know how to do it, just in case |
| 02:31.42 | Ebert | wow, i've always read brlcad as "bricad" |
| 02:31.50 | JeffM | burlycad ;) |
| 02:36.18 | JeffM | ok, brlcad is fixed |
| 02:36.29 | JeffM | now on to the next one blast found :) |
| 02:38.02 | brlcad | also noticed that no order number nor shipping address were passed forward to paypal |
| 02:38.22 | JeffM | yeah, we would have to pay to get that |
| 02:38.23 | brlcad | (as paypal asked me to use a diff address) |
| 02:38.43 | JeffM | we are using the most basic form of paypal payments |
| 02:38.57 | JeffM | IPN, not webcart pro or anything |
| 02:39.37 | JeffM | I'm totaly suprised they let us get this far with out a bank account ;) |
| 02:39.47 | brlcad | cool |
| 02:40.02 | delusional_ | If it's >50% cotton, I'll need a triple-XL |
| 02:40.03 | brlcad | the trick will be what happens if/when you go over 500 |
| 02:40.19 | JeffM | delusional_, the t-shirt is 100% coton |
| 02:40.26 | JeffM | brlcad, I checkd on that |
| 02:40.29 | JeffM | we are cool |
| 02:40.38 | delusional_ | Shrinkage! |
| 02:40.39 | brlcad | like the fonz |
| 02:40.47 | JeffM | the only limits I have is 500 withdrawl |
| 02:40.54 | JeffM | and 2000 sending moeny to others |
| 02:41.15 | JeffM | I put a credit card as a backup funding source so they took away some of the limits |
| 02:41.17 | brlcad | hm, okay, must have changed rules or i'm remembering diff |
| 02:41.20 | brlcad | ahh |
| 02:41.22 | JeffM | delusional_, they are pre-shrunk |
| 02:41.39 | JeffM | I can link you to the page on the shirt if you want |
| 02:41.48 | JeffM | but I planed on printing 2 tripple XLs |
| 02:41.59 | delusional_ | I don't trust that... it'd better be dark color. |
| 02:42.06 | JeffM | it will be |
| 02:42.10 | JeffM | that is the plan at least |
| 02:42.14 | JeffM | no white shirts ;) |
| 02:42.31 | delusional_ | OK, a double-X might make it |
| 02:42.41 | brlcad | gah |
| 02:43.01 | JeffM | delusional_, I'll make sure we have enough tripples if that'll be better ;) |
| 02:43.24 | JeffM | I can hold one for you |
| 02:43.40 | delusional_ | I'll pick up the slack if there's leftovers. |
| 02:43.55 | blast007 | "We have one small left" |
| 02:43.57 | JeffM | I'm going to order 2 right now, and I know of you and another |
| 02:44.01 | JeffM | so we should be fine |
| 02:44.14 | JeffM | delusional_, unless you are going to order more then one tripple? |
| 02:44.31 | delusional_ | One is enuff |
| 02:44.32 | JeffM | blast007, I have a feeling tim's going to clean us out of smalls |
| 02:44.39 | delusional_ | Thankyou |
| 02:44.39 | JeffM | delusional_, then all should be good |
| 02:44.40 | blast007 | heh... |
| 02:44.45 | blast007 | he wears small? |
| 02:44.55 | JeffM | his kids do |
| 02:44.57 | JeffM | all 3 of them |
| 02:44.58 | blast007 | oh |
| 02:45.11 | blast007 | I was gonna say... |
| 02:45.26 | JeffM | I only plan on doing 5 smalls |
| 02:45.26 | delusional_ | I'll take a singleX a doubleX and a XX |
| 02:45.28 | delusional_ | X |
| 02:45.33 | delusional_ | 3x's |
| 02:45.47 | JeffM | maybe 6 smalls |
| 02:45.55 | JeffM | delusional_, we should have plenty for that |
| 02:46.00 | JeffM | we are making 50 |
| 02:46.03 | JeffM | if all goes well |
| 02:46.10 | delusional_ | Kthanxbye |
| 02:46.13 | JeffM | heh |
| 02:46.14 | delusional_ | 3 for me |
| 02:46.40 | blast007 | is that what the CD label actually looks like? |
| 02:46.40 | JeffM | my current plan is 5 smalls, 10 medium, 15 large, 15 XL, 3 XXL and 2 XXXL |
| 02:46.45 | JeffM | blast007, yep |
| 02:46.50 | blast007 | snazzy |
| 02:46.51 | JeffM | winny pulled it from the art |
| 02:47.32 | JeffM | dtr and I even did a stress test on the packaging and the CD and the label :) |
| 02:47.42 | JeffM | as long as it is not hit with a hammer, should be cool ;) |
| 02:47.51 | blast007 | did you actually try the hammer? |
| 02:48.15 | JeffM | I grabed the envelope with CD by the end and swung it as hard as I could at the corner of my cube |
| 02:48.36 | JeffM | that busted the cardboard around the CD, the Case, and the CD ) |
| 02:48.42 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:48.59 | blast007 | so basically it's not DHL safe then? ;) |
| 02:49.14 | blast007 | USPS ftw |
| 02:49.34 | JeffM | since then I have swaped to a bubble wrap plastic envelope, put the CD inbetween a pair of cardboard plates, and then wraped in a paper |
| 02:49.46 | JeffM | that better survive |
| 02:49.51 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:50.23 | blast007 | put a note in there saying "If the CD doesn't work, just go to the website and download everything :P" |
| 02:50.24 | JeffM | one of the puch outs in the box for our software at work is prefectly CD sized, so I just grabed a pile of the scrap |
| 02:50.40 | blast007 | cool |
| 02:50.47 | blast007 | yeah, should survive |
| 02:50.53 | JeffM | it's form the part in our box where the CD goes :) |
| 02:51.01 | blast007 | I mean, look at AOL CDs. I bet ever. single. ONE of those works |
| 02:51.05 | blast007 | every* |
| 02:51.06 | JeffM | heh |
| 02:51.41 | JeffM | I still need to print up a bunch of labels on the laser printer |
| 02:51.49 | JeffM | donny_baker got the last of the inkjet ones |
| 02:51.59 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:53.08 | JeffM | man, that sucks, we ate a buck on burlycad's shirt :( |
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| 02:56.23 | JeffM | may have to bump the shirt price to 13.50 to cover that... :( depends how many colors we end up using |
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| 03:24.36 | KTL | bzflag cd: 1 file "readme" stating "go to http://my.bzflag.org/w/Download and follow instructions" |
| 03:25.14 | KTL | "use this empty cd for wall decorations" |
| 03:25.25 | spldart | To complicated |
| 03:28.28 | spldart | I look forward to Suspect's Star Trek quote almost every night :) |
| 03:30.05 | KTL | ow you changed to amfyoyo to meh |
| 03:31.31 | spldart | I love amfyoyo |
| 03:32.08 | spldart | I started using that in '93 |
| 03:32.13 | spldart | or so |
| 03:32.27 | brlcad | JeffM: how so? |
| 03:32.37 | brlcad | CC fee? |
| 03:33.03 | spldart | I imagine |
| 03:33.32 | spldart | Some of the local quick marts started requiring a minimum purchase before you can use a card cuz of feez |
| 03:33.56 | JeffM | huh? |
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| 03:46.31 | andresj | where can I find info on building bots? |
| 03:52.19 | JeffM | for bzrobots? |
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| 03:53.46 | andresj | JeffM: I guess... |
| 03:54.03 | JeffM | you guess? |
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| 03:54.27 | andresj | bzrobot is a python module, right? |
| 03:54.40 | JeffM | yes and no |
| 03:54.46 | JeffM | bzrobots is an application |
| 03:54.57 | andresj | oh... |
| 03:54.59 | JeffM | it can read bot files from linux .so files, or python scripts |
| 03:55.11 | JeffM | that is the only system that allows bots to be "writen" for it |
| 03:55.35 | JeffM | the internal bots run wiht -solo use hardcoded logic in the client |
| 03:55.41 | andresj | so I guess that's what I mean :D |
| 03:55.49 | JeffM | so that you would change by writing C++ |
| 03:55.51 | andresj | bzrobots, yes |
| 03:56.22 | JeffM | what OS are you on? |
| 03:56.27 | andresj | Linux |
| 03:56.31 | andresj | (Ubuntu) |
| 03:56.39 | JeffM | bzrobts is only included with 3.0 |
| 03:56.56 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 03:57.00 | andresj | I see... I was also trying to compile svn |
| 03:57.11 | JeffM | and woudl be incopatable with 2.0.x |
| 03:57.52 | andresj | but when I run autoconf it says "configure.ac:85: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE" and many others like it |
| 03:58.11 | andresj | but is there a release of bzrobots for 2.0? |
| 03:58.37 | JeffM | not that has all the changes that were made last year |
| 03:58.59 | andresj | I see... do you know anything I can do to be able to compile bzflag svn? |
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| 03:59.11 | JeffM | trunk or branch? |
| 03:59.19 | andresj | trunk |
| 03:59.26 | JeffM | what errors are you getting? |
| 03:59.39 | andresj | when I run autoconf it says "configure.ac:85: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE" and many others like it |
| 03:59.58 | andresj | there is no ./configure prior to it, so I figured that's what i had to run. |
| 04:00.13 | JeffM | have you installed automake and autoconf? |
| 04:00.24 | JeffM | and did you read the readme? |
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| 04:01.06 | andresj | oh... there it is :D I had read README.Linux, but not README. Sorry :D |
| 04:01.19 | short_circuit | :-) |
| 04:01.32 | JeffM | both of them will contain info |
| 04:01.39 | JeffM | but you need to install automake and autotools |
| 04:01.42 | JeffM | etc.. |
| 04:01.56 | andresj | well thanks for your help :D. (I already have them installed) |
| 04:02.03 | short_circuit | trunk still use curl |
| 04:02.06 | short_circuit | ? |
| 04:02.46 | JeffM | you don't if you get those errors |
| 04:03.21 | JeffM | you ether have the wrong verison, or do not have it installed |
| 04:03.29 | JeffM | basicly it can NOT find the correct automake |
| 04:03.59 | short_circuit | Or rarely the link isn't working. I hate it when that happens |
| 04:03.59 | andresj | it works when I run ./autogen.sh... |
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| 04:04.08 | andresj | I have automake-1.9 |
| 04:04.12 | JeffM | oh |
| 04:04.18 | JeffM | you were running autoconf MANYUALY? |
| 04:04.39 | andresj | yep. |
| 04:04.48 | JeffM | yeah that won't work |
| 04:05.09 | andresj | got that now :D |
| 04:14.17 | JeffM | a backup shirt-design, http://www.opencombat.net/files/simple_2.png |
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| 04:55.57 | JeffM | does this look too much like a sports logo? http://www.opencombat.net/files/simple_blue.png |
| 04:57.24 | Ebert | i like the tanks-in-a-row much better |
| 04:58.13 | JeffM | I like the 3d one better then tanks in a row |
| 05:00.35 | JeffM | oh I may NEED to buy this one http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/popculture/9f70/ |
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| 05:04.13 | Ebert | heh, who is the Montoya thank that plays Hepcat maps |
| 05:04.23 | Ebert | *tank |
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| 07:14.08 | CIA-27 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16734 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: s/buyWho/byWho/ in startCountdown() |
| 07:26.53 | L4m3r | hehe, nice one Constitution :P |
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| 07:38.51 | Constitution | L4m3r: heh |
| 07:39.09 | Constitution | 'twas Tim's code ;) |
| 07:44.28 | L4m3r | wow |
| 07:44.55 | L4m3r | it went unnoticed for that long? heh |
| 07:45.16 | Constitution | I guess |
| 07:51.45 | Constitution | lol @ bzflag_en_US_l33t.po |
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| 09:06.55 | Constitution | ROFL http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1910830&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
| 09:07.03 | Constitution | now that, I have never seen |
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| 09:14.59 | praetorian | Constitution: sounds like a candidate for CLOSED,WONTFIX |
| 09:15.23 | Constitution | how's "deleted" sound? :) |
| 09:15.51 | Constitution | deleted, invalid, priority = lowest :) |
| 09:17.40 | praetorian | aww ok.. |
| 09:17.42 | praetorian | if you insist |
| 09:20.21 | Constitution | guy must've been desparate |
| 09:24.24 | L4m3r | the "little brother" defense... what a tool |
| 09:25.07 | Constitution | haha |
| 09:25.21 | Constitution | he posted it in Support Requests too |
| 09:25.31 | L4m3r | I mean, honestly. do they really think we haven't seen that story before? |
| 09:25.52 | Constitution | heh |
| 09:26.04 | Constitution | I think I'll resolve this one as "Works for me" :P |
| 09:26.11 | L4m3r | lol |
| 09:26.32 | L4m3r | aww, hugin is crashing |
| 09:26.39 | L4m3r | oh, there it goes |
| 09:26.56 | L4m3r | it's only 30 10MP images... some 800 control points... :P |
| 09:31.37 | Constitution | mm, perhaps it's time to update the categories for the tracker? there's bzflag, bzfs, and bzedit now... I can think of several of the other projects that could use categories of their own |
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| 11:36.22 | the_lone_tanker | ? |
| 11:36.30 | the_lone_tanker | i think i lost connection |
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| 14:32.44 | Winny | wow |
| 14:32.48 | Winny | that guy is getting annoying |
| 14:33.57 | donny_baker | yeah, he is PMing me several times a day and doesn't wait for an answer |
| 14:34.28 | Winny | :? |
| 14:34.30 | Winny | :/* |
| 14:44.11 | spldart | Nuke 'em Rico. |
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| 15:26.03 | KTL | http://users.edpnet.be/dpf/bzfi0001.png |
| 15:26.11 | KTL | http://users.edpnet.be/dpf/bzfi0004.png |
| 15:26.35 | KTL | i got the feeling that graphics card isn't worth a lot |
| 15:26.57 | Winny | Got the newest and correct drivers? |
| 15:27.33 | Constitution | http://www.apple.com/getamac |
| 15:27.40 | Winny | ~lart Constitution |
| 15:27.40 | ibot | executes killall -HUP Constitution |
| 15:27.48 | Winny | \o/ |
| 15:28.01 | KTL | driver "intel" |
| 15:28.10 | Winny | check for newer ones |
| 15:28.20 | KTL | in linux that would mean |
| 15:28.25 | KTL | recompiling the kernel :) |
| 15:28.35 | KTL | and why should i, it's old hardware almost |
| 15:28.40 | Constitution | what distro? |
| 15:29.04 | KTL | wait i come with another irc client |
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| 15:30.20 | KTL2 | Linux 9Sisters 2.6.24-1-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Feb 11 13:47:43 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:30.37 | KTL2 | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 15:30.37 | KTL2 | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 15:31.30 | KTL | it does not look very important to me since the laptop isn't really suited for playing the game anyway |
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| 15:48.12 | spldart | god dsl sux around here |
| 15:48.22 | Winny | hehe |
| 15:48.28 | Winny | it seems internet sucks everywhere |
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| 15:51.48 | spldart | I have noticed a general bugginess increase lately... but cable is still pwning dsl locally in almost all respects |
| 15:52.00 | JeffM | move ;) |
| 15:52.25 | spldart | You mean change jobs? H-town @ work right now |
| 15:52.33 | JeffM | yeah get on it |
| 15:52.38 | spldart | Home? Sugar Land... I think not.. this town is the greatest |
| 15:52.41 | JeffM | chop chop! |
| 15:52.49 | spldart | chop suey |
| 15:53.03 | spldart | don't make me get foo_man_choo up in here LOL |
| 15:53.19 | Winny | heh |
| 15:53.37 | spldart | Europeon TV's FTL :(.. I hate working on Bang an Olufsen |
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| 15:56.19 | Constitution | oh, DST switched, didn't it... I was wondering why all the CA people were up so early ;) |
| 15:56.40 | Winny | Constitution, In canada in switched last sunday |
| 15:56.42 | JeffM | yeah you are now sycned up with the rest of the world again |
| 15:56.44 | Winny | it* |
| 15:56.48 | JeffM | Winny, his state dosn't change |
| 15:56.54 | Constitution | yeah |
| 15:56.58 | JeffM | they are "special" |
| 15:57.05 | Winny | hehe |
| 15:57.56 | Winny | iPhone? ;) |
| 15:57.59 | JeffM | if it works |
| 15:58.07 | Constitution | Winny: no, samsung |
| 15:58.13 | Winny | awww |
| 15:58.16 | JeffM | tho you probably live in one of those "population centers" they just got in AZ |
| 15:58.51 | Constitution | Prescott was the original capital of Arizona :) |
| 15:59.06 | Constitution | so we didn't "just get" our population |
| 15:59.29 | JeffM | sure sure, keep telling yourself that |
| 16:01.46 | JeffM | ahh you are off offramp where they screw you for gass before williams ;) |
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| 16:16.15 | whodaman | JeffM, he's awake :) |
| 16:16.38 | JeffM | well he's not on IM |
| 16:16.44 | JeffM | so I wait :) |
| 16:16.56 | JeffM | I do not wish to bug him too much |
| 16:41.09 | JeffM | oh, bzbb admins. some guy posted some form of "open source game survey" thing. It looked a bit hokey so I moved it to the playground pending him answering some questions about it. |
| 16:44.38 | L4m3r | mmhm, I noticed |
| 16:45.42 | JeffM | and the website for it is HORIBLE ;) |
| 16:49.16 | blast007 | it's a free domain, as well |
| 16:49.21 | blast007 | http://www.freedomain.co.nr/ |
| 16:49.45 | JeffM | and he dosn't say what he'll do with the data, etc.. |
| 16:49.49 | JeffM | it all seems "odd" |
| 16:50.47 | donny_baker | I "took" the survey and it really wasn't that good... very leading questions it seemed |
| 16:50.57 | donny_baker | about fixing bugs |
| 16:51.13 | JeffM | what personal info did he ask? |
| 16:51.21 | donny_baker | age and sex |
| 16:51.27 | JeffM | no e-mail or anything? |
| 16:51.33 | donny_baker | nope |
| 16:51.40 | JeffM | well that's at least good |
| 16:51.53 | L4m3r | might just be some kid trying to do some homework or something |
| 16:51.54 | JeffM | but unless it's a real study I don't think we want it on our boards. |
| 16:52.00 | JeffM | maybe |
| 16:52.01 | donny_baker | i would agree |
| 16:52.05 | JeffM | but he shoudl explain that then ;) |
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| 16:53.16 | blast007 | the IP address of the actual page (not his free domain) is registered to "Corporation for Financing and Promoting Technology" in vietnam |
| 16:54.16 | blast007 | ah, might just be an ISP: "Internet exchange and service provider(IXP/ISP)" |
| 16:55.38 | JeffM | we'll see if he responds |
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| 17:32.08 | JeffM | If I go crasy, will you still call me superman? if I'm alive and well will you still be there holding my hand? I'll keep you by my side with my super human.. my kryptonite! |
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| 17:38.26 | Tedius | I took the survey, it appears quite harmless, like a junior high science fair project or something |
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| 17:44.28 | JeffM | it may be, but he should have asked first ;) |
| 17:45.02 | JeffM | when your post says "do not delete" that tells me he knows he's on the edge of 'iffy' |
| 17:54.24 | Tedius | :) |
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| 18:02.27 | Constitution | JeffM: to brighten up your day: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1910830&group_id=3248&atid=203248 |
| 18:03.22 | Constitution | originally posted under both bugs and support requests |
| 18:09.37 | KTL | hihi |
| 18:09.50 | JeffM | HAH |
| 18:10.01 | spldart | bah |
| 18:11.40 | JeffM | did you set the one in bugs as deleted? |
| 18:11.48 | Constitution | both, yeah |
| 18:11.54 | JeffM | k |
| 18:11.59 | Constitution | and moved the one in bugs into support requests |
| 18:12.01 | JeffM | I sent him back a mesasge |
| 18:12.38 | JeffM | what think the world of this simple design? |
| 18:12.39 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/simple_blue.png |
| 18:19.37 | Constitution | why the capital 'L'? |
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| 18:20.41 | Constitution | are we trying to stay as far away as possible from BZFag? ;) |
| 18:21.55 | spldart | Frag |
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| 18:34.27 | JeffM | I did a capital L? |
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| 18:34.29 | JeffM | CRAP |
| 18:34.31 | JeffM | ok |
| 18:34.36 | JeffM | imagine that was small ;) |
| 18:34.44 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:35.04 | JeffM | I just just busting out quick roughs |
| 18:35.21 | JeffM | there is also |
| 18:35.21 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/simple_2.png |
| 18:35.27 | JeffM | but I like the blue one in a box better |
| 18:36.41 | Constitution | they're not terrible, but I would say I'd sooner go for some of the other designs that have been put forward |
| 18:36.58 | JeffM | ok |
| 18:37.20 | JeffM | I was just trying to keep something around as an ulitimate backup plan :) |
| 18:38.42 | JeffM | do you think we shuld set up a gallery type thing for them? or just throw them in a thread to let everyone comment? |
| 18:38.44 | Constitution | the one with the wireframe tank scene looked pretty good |
| 18:38.57 | JeffM | I may play with that some more |
| 18:39.01 | JeffM | I have some other color ideas |
| 18:40.02 | JeffM | a steel blue shirt, with gray outlines and maybe orange boxes :) |
| 18:41.00 | JeffM | yay, we have no more real limits on our paypal account :) |
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| 18:41.42 | JeffM | hmm, probably best to just put all the designs into a thread, then people can comment |
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| 19:21.21 | Winny | ;) |
| 19:21.35 | JeffM | you are just jealous ;) |
| 19:21.48 | Winny | am not! >:( |
| 19:26.39 | Winny | Satu submitted his stuff yet? |
| 19:27.23 | JeffM | he's working on stuff |
| 19:27.30 | JeffM | I have seen some of his idea images |
| 19:28.03 | Winny | he showed me a couple yesterday, but he probably has more done now |
| 19:28.13 | JeffM | I rather like one of them |
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| 19:29.05 | Winny | :) |
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| 19:51.13 | JeffM | brlcad, you arround? |
| 19:51.47 | Winny | No, he's a square! |
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| 20:14.45 | Winny | ~blast007++ |
| 20:15.09 | JeffM | what did he do now? |
| 20:15.09 | Winny | :) |
| 20:15.17 | JeffM | does it involve science? |
| 20:15.47 | Winny | sure |
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| 20:20.16 | andrecastelo | good evening everyone |
| 20:20.22 | Constitution | hi |
| 20:21.06 | Winny | hi |
| 20:21.49 | blast007 | 3 more of those, and we'd have a hi five |
| 20:22.05 | Winny | ~blast007-- |
| 20:22.07 | Winny | :P |
| 20:22.10 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 20:24.38 | JeffM | saturos did do a nice comparison of the old tank to the new tank, http://saturos.de/s/ZZ767BF872.png |
| 20:25.35 | F687s___ | Hey, the tanks changed! *looks closer* |
| 20:25.48 | JeffM | hence the terms, old to new ;) |
| 20:26.46 | Winny | JeffM: the turret is still too wide, I think |
| 20:26.58 | JeffM | I know you do |
| 20:27.01 | F687s___ | The only thing noticeable is more texturing, and the turret is slightly different |
| 20:27.20 | JeffM | F687s___, and the barrel, and the back, and the treads and the sizes ;) |
| 20:27.27 | JeffM | http://saturos.de/s/tankv6-2.png |
| 20:27.32 | JeffM | that shows it by itself |
| 20:28.08 | JeffM | F687s___, if you have something that can read an obj; http://www.opencombat.net/files/geometry/tank_v6.obj |
| 20:30.30 | donny_baker | JeffM: quite nice... I think the barrel and turret look pretty good for size and shape |
| 20:31.36 | donny_baker | most modern turrets are pretty wide |
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| 20:39.32 | brlcad | JeffM: sup |
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| 20:42.03 | jftsang | anybody here watched Robot Wars? Would it be feasible to make something like Robot Wars out of BZFlag? |
| 20:42.22 | JeffM | AI classes have tried to/done that |
| 20:42.35 | JeffM | that is kinda the reason bzrobots exists |
| 20:43.46 | jftsang | whilst we're on the subject of BZRobots, is there actually any way to use it for Windows? |
| 20:44.06 | JeffM | not at this time |
| 20:44.16 | JeffM | it was not writen to be platform independent |
| 20:44.28 | JeffM | but it can be made to run on windows with some work |
| 20:44.45 | jftsang | oh, so it requires certain features of <insert name of OS> |
| 20:45.23 | JeffM | it is writen to use linuxes share library system |
| 20:45.30 | JeffM | windows does some stuff difrently |
| 20:45.43 | JeffM | IIRC it also needs winsoc code for all it's networking |
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| 21:18.23 | JeffM | here are all the shirt designs I have so far, http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/shirts/proposals/ Winny and SpazzyMcGee I did some recolors of yours |
| 21:20.29 | Winny | JeffM, did you not like http://bzfusion.net/bzflag/shirts/NewStripe.png ? (Either the filled in cross, or the bar under BZFlag) ? |
| 21:20.38 | JeffM | no |
| 21:22.57 | Winny | Satu's could do without the "free online multiplayer tank battle game" text, I think.. but that's me |
| 21:23.05 | JeffM | I like it |
| 21:23.14 | JeffM | but yes it could also work with out it |
| 21:23.18 | JeffM | his woks on many levels |
| 21:23.27 | JeffM | all the way from one color to 4 colors |
| 21:24.12 | F687s | Neat-ish |
| 21:24.38 | JeffM | if saturos's comes out the way I think it will, it will take the cake |
| 21:25.03 | JeffM | I could see doing Winny's and SpazzyMcGee's as later run shirts as well |
| 21:25.30 | JeffM | Winnys is more vintage artsy, and people may like that |
| 21:25.46 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee's has an intersting enough concept |
| 21:27.02 | JeffM | mine is stupid |
| 21:27.27 | Winny | I like the original wireframe one |
| 21:27.46 | JeffM | that one could work if it was redone |
| 21:27.51 | JeffM | the tank should look better |
| 21:28.23 | Winny | I;m upload the full-rez version of the one you have there as a PSD |
| 21:28.27 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/bzflag/shirts/Concept2.psd |
| 21:28.43 | Winny | (higher the the original 1000x1200 it was at) |
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| 21:35.19 | Winny | Lou1990? :P |
| 21:37.07 | brad | ~lart Winny |
| 21:37.07 | ibot | smacks Winny up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 21:37.14 | Winny | ~smack brad |
| 21:37.14 | ibot | ACTION smacks brad upside the head. |
| 21:37.18 | F687s | Woohoo! |
| 21:37.58 | donny_baker | i like the advertisement on Satu's |
| 21:38.21 | Winny | I think it could be shortened to "online tank battle game" |
| 21:39.13 | F687s | Whatever makes the wearer look like he has as little of a life as possible. ;-) |
| 21:39.38 | JeffM | "I Love my mom's basement" |
| 21:39.49 | Winny | no, "I love your mom's basement" |
| 21:40.13 | Winny | that sounded more dirty then it did when I typed it |
| 21:41.03 | F687s | No, that sounds like a ThinkGeek shirt... |
| 21:41.03 | Winny | hmm |
| 21:41.03 | Winny | BZFlag ties |
| 21:41.24 | Winny | that would be a new low I think ;) |
| 21:42.22 | kirun | Wouldn't those send the message "I have gone to the effort and discomfort in order to achieve professionalism, while having failed to reach it" ? |
| 21:42.44 | F687s | It would be a subtle logo... |
| 21:43.11 | F687s | People would think it would be a logo for some munitions factory. |
| 21:43.17 | Winny | haha |
| 21:44.34 | kirun | You could sell them to lawyers, they probably lie and say they are arms dealers in social situations so people don't totally hate them |
| 21:45.39 | kirun | Jack Thompson excluded, of course |
| 21:45.44 | Constitution | Regarding the idea for an improved stats system as a GSoC idea, wouldn't that necessarily be a very large-scale project (specifically if the idea is to make it an open system for things other than bzflag)? |
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| 21:47.29 | F687s | Define "an open system for things other than bzflag" |
| 21:47.43 | Saturos | heya heya |
| 21:48.03 | Constitution | F687s: have you seen the ideas page? it's described there |
| 21:48.21 | F687s | Constitution: not in a while... *looks* |
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| 21:49.53 | JeffM | Saturos, what is the green you used on yours? kelly green? or forrest green? brlcad was wondering |
| 21:50.20 | Saturos | I have no clue.. I took a dark green from the color table in inkscape. |
| 21:50.25 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:50.33 | JeffM | we are crently thinking of the military green, dark heather, steel green, or black |
| 21:50.36 | JeffM | ahh ok |
| 21:50.37 | brlcad | Saturos: the design looks great |
| 21:50.39 | Saturos | It doesnt have to be green |
| 21:50.43 | JeffM | indeed it does |
| 21:50.44 | brlcad | ~Saturos++ |
| 21:51.09 | Saturos | As I just said to Jeff personally I dont like it because its very "standard". It looks fairly good but its nothing special. Theres no idea, its just routine. |
| 21:51.19 | JeffM | for those that have not seen it ( cus I didn't know if he wanted it public ), http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/shirts/possible/ZZ20CBB8A7.png |
| 21:51.19 | Saturos | I just did it in case I wont come up with a good idea. |
| 21:51.21 | brlcad | probably not worth it to complicate things, but can we get two or three colors? |
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| 21:51.34 | JeffM | brlcad, you mean of shirts? |
| 21:51.38 | brlcad | yep |
| 21:51.44 | JeffM | as long as the ink colors are the same, yeah |
| 21:51.45 | brlcad | sets of shirts |
| 21:51.48 | Saturos | you'll get the inkscape svg, so you can pick colors or delete layers the way you want |
| 21:51.59 | brlcad | so we could let the user pick their color |
| 21:52.09 | JeffM | well I have to print them all at once |
| 21:52.11 | brlcad | make the screenshot / selection in the store for each color |
| 21:52.22 | JeffM | brlcad, yeah that means more inventory |
| 21:52.22 | brlcad | sure, make it like the preorder |
| 21:52.26 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.55 | JeffM | both stores will let me mix colors as long as the art and ink is the same |
| 21:53.02 | JeffM | for the hoodies I was just going to do black |
| 21:53.05 | brlcad | have it open for a month, we could still order an extra 10-20 in just one color later |
| 21:53.07 | JeffM | cus the design looks cool on black too |
| 21:53.13 | brlcad | or N months |
| 21:53.34 | JeffM | we have a minium of 18 shirts from bruneto, 24 shirts from logodawg |
| 21:54.22 | JeffM | brlcad, so you don't want to do a salmon colored shirt? ;) |
| 21:54.49 | brlcad | heh, only if it's made of fresh sushi grade salmon that I can eat |
| 21:54.56 | F687s | Heh |
| 21:55.01 | JeffM | texas orange? |
| 21:55.05 | JeffM | vegas gold? |
| 21:55.21 | JeffM | I think the color in the image is close to the "leaf" shirt color |
| 21:55.35 | JeffM | personaly I like the olive color |
| 21:56.00 | Saturos | do you think the black lines are thick enough? |
| 21:56.08 | brlcad | I could go with olive |
| 21:56.11 | JeffM | how large would they be in the print? |
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| 21:56.30 | brlcad | military green would be a close tie pick |
| 21:56.50 | Saturos | Once I converted them to a path it'll be hard to make them thicker. |
| 21:56.52 | Saturos | What are we aiming at for the print's width? 25cm? |
| 21:56.58 | brlcad | oh, we could make shirts for each of our tank colors... |
| 21:57.00 | JeffM | max is 12 inches |
| 21:57.02 | JeffM | wide |
| 21:57.04 | JeffM | 14 inches long |
| 21:57.17 | JeffM | so yeah 25 is close to 10 inches |
| 21:57.18 | JeffM | so yeah |
| 21:57.24 | Saturos | sry, long means its the height? |
| 21:57.28 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:57.30 | Saturos | k |
| 21:57.37 | JeffM | brlcad, at a later date, yes I'd like to do that |
| 21:57.47 | Saturos | ok, I'll calculate how thick the lines are when we print 25 cm |
| 21:58.07 | JeffM | Saturos, I had a shirt on that he did yesterday, and it had lines that looked to be less then 1mm wide |
| 21:58.45 | Saturos | They'll be definitely thicker than 1mm.. between 1mm and 1.2mm |
| 21:58.51 | JeffM | that should be fine |
| 21:59.27 | JeffM | we can always increase the image size up to like 26 or 27mm |
| 21:59.34 | JeffM | if it becomes an issue |
| 21:59.48 | JeffM | that still gives some leyway to the edge |
| 22:00.32 | JeffM | and you were right Saturos that font does look good for the name |
| 22:00.56 | Saturos | its called "insignia" |
| 22:01.02 | JeffM | the next question would be, to put the URL just over the breast pocket area, or across the entire front, with the icon on it? |
| 22:02.52 | Saturos | I think breast pocket looks more precious.. |
| 22:03.10 | Saturos | just a small eye catcher on the front |
| 22:03.48 | Saturos | but one gets a problem with shoulder bags.. they'll probably cover it |
| 22:07.46 | Saturos | My father just says the tank needs a flag. |
| 22:08.08 | Saturos | One would remember a tank with a flag, even if you dont know the game.. a tank alone is nothing special. |
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| 22:09.10 | AR53 | hello peeps |
| 22:10.14 | AR53 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.31 | Saturos | 2.0.10 is the newest. |
| 22:10.43 | AR53 | src, rpm ? |
| 22:11.06 | Saturos | Compiling it yourself will work. |
| 22:11.34 | AR53 | ewww no, too time consuming |
| 22:11.43 | Winny | heh |
| 22:11.57 | Saturos | brb |
| 22:12.09 | Winny | is it really hard to run ./autogen.sh, ./configure, make, make install? |
| 22:12.37 | AR53 | eah especially when you have no interest in programming whatsoever |
| 22:12.51 | Constitution | it's the reality of running on linux |
| 22:12.52 | AHA | compiling != programing |
| 22:12.56 | AR53 | its not |
| 22:12.59 | Constitution | if it's not in your repository, you'll have to compile it |
| 22:13.02 | Constitution | yes it is |
| 22:13.25 | AHA | AR53, apt-get installs version 2.0.6, or version 2.0.8 |
| 22:13.35 | AHA | dont remember which |
| 22:13.37 | AR53 | So far I havnt had to open up a terminal window in mint, why should i |
| 22:13.59 | AHA | AR53, if you wanted to play BZFlag, you would need t |
| 22:14.00 | AHA | *to |
| 22:14.22 | AR53 | ahhh so its not linux thats the problem then :) |
| 22:14.43 | Winny | You should compile the newest client yourself |
| 22:14.48 | Winny | it's really not hard. |
| 22:14.50 | Constitution | AHA: not all distributions use apt-get |
| 22:15.47 | AR53 | there was a version i did use with ubuntu and it worked fine, Mint is ubuntu based . |
| 22:16.18 | Saturos | then either live with the old version in your repo, add a repo that has 2.0.10 or compile yourself |
| 22:16.20 | Winny | If you're so versed against compiling something, look in the repos for BZFlag |
| 22:16.26 | AHA | If you dont like opening up a terminal, you really shouldnt be a linux user IMO |
| 22:17.35 | Constitution | likewise, if you don't feel like comiling, you may want to chose a mainstream linux distro that has a large number of packages available |
| 22:17.41 | Winny | using a terminal is pretty much part of _any_ OS |
| 22:18.30 | AR53 | Rubbish! and thats why linux will never match Windows for is user base. until the terminal window is finally dispensed with it will never be as popular as windows |
| 22:18.43 | Winny | Windows has a terminal window too. |
| 22:18.53 | AR53 | that never gets used |
| 22:18.53 | Winny | So does OS X. |
| 22:18.59 | Winny | I use it all the time |
| 22:19.07 | Winny | it is quite useful |
| 22:19.13 | AR53 | o dear the point has been completely missed |
| 22:19.21 | AHA | AR53, i use my windows terminal almost every day |
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| 22:19.59 | Winny | We've already anwsered your question, If you want to use the newest version you are going to need to compile it. If you want to use an older version, look in your repos. |
| 22:20.02 | AR53 | what i am talking about here is, the simple users of the windows fraternaty, not you |
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| 22:20.28 | AR53 | ok thanks, i get the point |
| 22:20.39 | Winny | 2.0.8 is in the Ubuntu/ Debian repos, but I believe 2.0.10 has many bugfixes you'll want |
| 22:20.54 | AR53 | many thanks winny |
| 22:20.58 | TurkeyBait | Can anyone help with finding the config file? I point to a location, but when I make changes, it does not save them....UGH!!! |
| 22:21.14 | Winny | TurkeyBait: which config, BZFS or BZFlag? |
| 22:21.20 | TurkeyBait | BZflag |
| 22:21.39 | brad | windows ? |
| 22:21.39 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12333 That help at all? |
| 22:21.49 | TurkeyBait | yes...windows |
| 22:21.55 | Winny | ohh, you need to close your BZFlag client before editing the config file |
| 22:22.00 | Winny | if that's what you're talking about |
| 22:23.19 | AR53 | for i go or get kicked, remember this, windows is a tool like a hammer is to most people, nothing more nothing less. Linux IS getting there without question, but not everyone speaks in geek infact in comparison 1% |
| 22:23.35 | AR53 | bye |
| 22:23.44 | TurkeyBait | Does it create aconfig file if it does not exist? |
| 22:23.50 | brad | yes |
| 22:26.33 | TurkeyBait | the biggest change here, and it's very simple is where the quotes are located....In one forum I found only quotes are the directory name ("C:\temp\") while here it's around everything...IT WORKED |
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| 22:30.49 | JeffM | Saturos, yeah you could put a flag up there, maybe give it a gray shade for a wave |
| 22:32.16 | Saturos | yeah, I'm just trying to do that |
| 22:32.20 | Constitution | what's the are the respective uses of doKeyCommon and doKeyPlaying? |
| 22:32.25 | Saturos | but inkscape decides to crash again |
| 22:32.30 | Winny | hehe |
| 22:32.33 | JeffM | :( |
| 22:32.48 | Winny | that pesky open source stuff |
| 22:32.56 | JeffM | Constitution, common handles the menus and stuff, playing handles the game stuff IIRC. |
| 22:33.13 | GLC | what is the biggest pipe width you need to run a 20man server? |
| 22:33.17 | JeffM | common is functions that are available at all times, excape, F4, etc |
| 22:33.25 | JeffM | GLC, how many shots? |
| 22:33.37 | GLC | say 8? |
| 22:33.52 | JeffM | for that I'd get a datacenter |
| 22:33.57 | Constitution | hmm... there's a bug where pressing a key when using the mouse will switch you to keyboard movement, but it won't move you... you have to let it up and press it again to get it to work |
| 22:33.59 | JeffM | probably hold a meg or so |
| 22:34.02 | Winny | GLC: I've run a 3 (or 4, don't remember) shot server with 22 players on my cable modem.. which averages about 1.2-1.3mbit |
| 22:34.13 | JeffM | GLC, what is your connection like? |
| 22:34.39 | GLC | thats interesting, I bet its not a windows instalation? |
| 22:34.59 | JeffM | windows servers have issues |
| 22:35.02 | GLC | pipe is 3-4mps |
| 22:35.05 | JeffM | down or up? |
| 22:35.07 | Winny | up, or down? |
| 22:35.10 | Winny | bah, JeffM |
| 22:35.14 | JeffM | it's the upstream that you need |
| 22:35.19 | GLC | down only 512 up |
| 22:35.26 | JeffM | GLC, that will not cut it |
| 22:35.45 | GLC | thanks jeff, it used too as you know, :( |
| 22:35.46 | JeffM | your upstream is the data you send to players, and you will flood that fast |
| 22:35.52 | Constitution | the issue seemed to be that setting the keys down was done in doKeyCommon, and the switch to keyboard movement is done in doKeyPlaying, which is called last |
| 22:35.59 | JeffM | GLC, not for hosting games like that |
| 22:36.20 | JeffM | Constitution, it shuld be like that now |
| 22:36.23 | GLC | I understand, thanks jeff, |
| 22:36.32 | Winny | If you're gonna host anything, I'd really reccomend grabbing a server in a datacenter |
| 22:36.40 | Winny | you can get em for ~$47 from sago |
| 22:36.51 | JeffM | GLC, home hosting is not always the best. If you want a good server, it is good to get a datacenter as Winny points out. |
| 22:37.24 | Constitution | JeffM: it is... but that results in initial keystroke being discarded, since the switch to keyboard movement is done after the movement keys are checked |
| 22:37.26 | GLC | cheers guys |
| 22:37.43 | JeffM | Constitution, ahh |
| 22:38.09 | GLC | I used to run a 8 man server with 8 shots on a 2 meg windows instal. in old versions :( |
| 22:38.30 | JeffM | 2 meg up? |
| 22:38.41 | JeffM | the download don't matter |
| 22:38.41 | GLC | no still 512 up |
| 22:38.43 | Winny | the kbits/sec increases exponentially as you get more players, I believe |
| 22:38.51 | JeffM | yeah 8 man, would proalby be fine |
| 22:38.56 | JeffM | yeah it's the 20 players that gets ya |
| 22:38.57 | GLC | that was v1.10 though :) |
| 22:39.05 | JeffM | the per player bandwith hasn't hcanged |
| 22:39.08 | JeffM | changed |
| 22:39.12 | JeffM | it's basicly the same |
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| 22:39.20 | JeffM | you can probalby do the 8 man server in 2.0.x the same |
| 22:39.29 | Constitution | I could probably move the logic over, but I wanted to determine what the purposes of each function were before move stuff around |
| 22:39.29 | JeffM | lots of flags may get you |
| 22:40.01 | GLC | very strange that, I can only run a 4 man with 8 shots on a 3-4 meg link....odd that |
| 22:40.14 | JeffM | again the DOWNload dont' matter |
| 22:40.21 | JeffM | check your upload thruput |
| 22:40.23 | GLC | has been that way since 1.06 if i remeber |
| 22:40.26 | JeffM | it may be less the 512 |
| 22:40.48 | Winny | GLC: because the server needs to send updates out to each player |
| 22:40.50 | GLC | aha cheers jeff i will do |
| 22:40.51 | SpazzyMcGee | JeffM: Final version http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2791/tankshirt3highresuo7.png |
| 22:41.05 | SpazzyMcGee | Saturos' looks great, BTW. |
| 22:41.07 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, did you see my recolr of yours |
| 22:41.15 | Winny | SpazzyMcGee: it looks anti-aliased? |
| 22:41.30 | Winny | not that it matters too much, I'd assume |
| 22:41.45 | SpazzyMcGee | Oh, crap, I forgot to turn it off. |
| 22:41.59 | SpazzyMcGee | Is it a big deal? |
| 22:42.15 | GLC | ok thanks guys, always get the help i need in here, all the best {A*$e!} the muted one :( |
| 22:42.16 | SpazzyMcGee | JeffM: You only changed the background right? |
| 22:42.29 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, no |
| 22:43.10 | SpazzyMcGee | Oh, what else? The red is darker? |
| 22:43.28 | SpazzyMcGee | No, not darker, less saturated |
| 22:43.32 | JeffM | that's called orange ;) |
| 22:43.44 | SpazzyMcGee | heh, indeed |
| 22:43.58 | SpazzyMcGee | That's an easy change. |
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| 22:44.28 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, what color hoodie you want, black, forest green, or dark heather? |
| 22:44.36 | SpazzyMcGee | Which colour would you prefer? |
| 22:44.45 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, you want honest truth? |
| 22:45.34 | SpazzyMcGee | That satu's is going to be the one used? |
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| 22:45.42 | spldart | I know it's late advice but with 512 up cable modem I could support 4 on 4 or 5 on 5 3 shot with 1 observer and have reasonable lagstats.... But that's the limit with no other demands on the bandwidth.. torrents, emule etc |
| 22:45.45 | spldart | crap |
| 22:45.48 | Winny | lol |
| 22:45.50 | JeffM | well that is proble, but I don't think that means we will never use yours |
| 22:46.01 | JeffM | I just meant on your colors :) |
| 22:46.06 | JeffM | your color choices are not great |
| 22:46.18 | JeffM | the red and the light blue don't do it for me at all |
| 22:46.25 | SpazzyMcGee | heh, I'm not tied down emotionally to the colour |
| 22:46.39 | JeffM | I went with more of a steel blue and an orange |
| 22:46.49 | JeffM | but that didn't wow me ether |
| 22:47.10 | JeffM | of all the other designs, I would pick yours for a second run of shirts |
| 22:47.25 | JeffM | and winny's third |
| 22:47.52 | Winny | \o/ I loose |
| 22:47.57 | JeffM | no |
| 22:48.02 | JeffM | I pick myself fifth |
| 22:48.10 | JeffM | blast is 4th |
| 22:48.17 | Winny | what about TD?! |
| 22:48.22 | JeffM | 6th |
| 22:48.24 | Winny | aww |
| 22:48.28 | JeffM | unless we print a baby bib |
| 22:48.31 | JeffM | then he is #1 |
| 22:48.35 | SpazzyMcGee | heh |
| 22:48.55 | JeffM | Winny, I am definaly going to post your design with the others. I could see it printed |
| 22:49.12 | JeffM | it has a style that a number of people may like |
| 22:49.32 | SpazzyMcGee | Why not do a poll for the second run, if there is one. |
| 22:49.33 | JeffM | spazzy's is clever |
| 22:49.37 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, that is the plan |
| 22:49.49 | SpazzyMcGee | OK |
| 22:49.52 | JeffM | specialy since I can do the pre-order stuff |
| 22:50.00 | JeffM | and I only need like 18 shirts to do a run |
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| 22:50.05 | Winny | hmm, what about shirt "packs"? |
| 22:50.18 | Winny | but that gets rather complex I guess |
| 22:50.22 | JeffM | maybe, after we get more more money |
| 22:50.27 | JeffM | but yeah it's possible |
| 22:50.49 | JeffM | I could totaly see us printing more then one design and offering them in a pack |
| 22:51.01 | JeffM | our input funds limit what I can print on the first run |
| 22:51.02 | SpazzyMcGee | Will demand really extend to that...? |
| 22:51.09 | JeffM | so that has to be one that everyone will like |
| 22:51.11 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, dunno |
| 22:51.13 | JeffM | it may |
| 22:51.24 | Winny | Just force everyone to buy a shirt to download the game ;) |
| 22:51.30 | JeffM | if the designs change constatly people may be willing to buy more then one shirt |
| 22:51.40 | SpazzyMcGee | True |
| 22:51.41 | JeffM | and we have enough player "churn" that it may hold |
| 22:52.01 | JeffM | also the shirts ain't that expensive |
| 22:52.08 | SpazzyMcGee | Like I said the other day, witty messages may be a good avenue. |
| 22:52.13 | JeffM | maybe |
| 22:52.20 | SpazzyMcGee | JeffM: I'd buy a mug! |
| 22:52.26 | Winny | me too |
| 22:52.32 | JeffM | I do not see this as the last time that we will ask for shirt designs |
| 22:52.39 | JeffM | you'd by a mug for 15$? |
| 22:52.42 | Winny | But I'd probably buy anything with "BZFlag" on it ;) |
| 22:52.43 | JeffM | they ain't cheap |
| 22:52.52 | SpazzyMcGee | Assuming it gets here in one piece. |
| 22:53.36 | Winny | what's the color limit on the mugs? |
| 22:53.38 | SpazzyMcGee | I probably wouldn't buy more than one thing. |
| 22:54.00 | SpazzyMcGee | BZFlag thongs. Everybody needs thongs. |
| 22:54.06 | whodaman | lol |
| 22:54.08 | Winny | how did you know |
| 22:55.17 | SpazzyMcGee | JeffM, I reckon the colours you used look a bit washed out. |
| 22:55.31 | spldart | Mr. Thong fetish |
| 22:55.54 | whodaman | :D |
| 22:57.42 | spldart | gimme a minute |
| 22:57.43 | SpazzyMcGee | Winny's life officially just hit rock bottom. |
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| 22:57.53 | Winny | SpazzyMcGee, it did a while ago |
| 22:58.01 | Winny | ;) |
| 22:58.03 | SpazzyMcGee | heh |
| 22:59.44 | Think_Differentl | Just wondering, is it possible to put the windows version of the bzflag client on a flash drive, have the my bzflag files folder on the drive too, and have it not touch any of the windows stuff? |
| 23:00.14 | Think_Differentl | I think there was a topic on the forums, but I can't seem to find it. |
| 23:00.17 | Winny | probably use -configdir or whatever the command is |
| 23:00.31 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12333 |
| 23:01.04 | Think_Differentl | thanks Winny |
| 23:01.14 | Saturos | we should make boxershorts with "Rapid Fire" printed on them |
| 23:01.24 | Saturos | or "damn! you grabbed the Tiny flag" |
| 23:01.33 | Winny | ... |
| 23:02.38 | whodaman | hahahahah |
| 23:03.01 | AHA | lol! |
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| 23:05.06 | AHA | Not all of our flags are tiny though :p |
| 23:05.41 | Saturos | we once did that in the german online store of bzflag.de... somebody really bought one of those rapid fire shorts |
| 23:05.54 | Winny | haha |
| 23:06.14 | Winny | any idea who it was? |
| 23:06.51 | Saturos | I think it was the only product that was ever bought out of that store.. besides my own orders. |
| 23:06.53 | Saturos | nope, no idea |
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| 23:09.11 | Winny | hmm, we needs a way to fit rick roll into one of the BZFlag products. |
| 23:10.08 | Saturos | wow, inkscape is close to a knock out |
| 23:10.13 | Saturos | it crashes every three clicks |
| 23:10.23 | Winny | wow |
| 23:10.39 | Saturos | weird stuff happening since 10.5.2 |
| 23:12.03 | spldart | One of my daughters got this at a garage sale... Winny's link reminded me of it |
| 23:12.07 | spldart | http://70.240.215.57:8080/tank.jpg |
| 23:12.17 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:12.26 | donny_baker | JeffM: what is the url for your wireframe shirt again? |
| 23:12.56 | spldart | I'm gonnna make the barrel bigger and paint it red. Since I usually play red |
| 23:13.35 | Winny | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/shirts/proposals/green_shirt_2_300.png ? |
| 23:14.07 | Constitution | http://www.opencombat.net/files/logothingy%20copy.png |
| 23:14.16 | Winny | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/shirts/raws/BigShirt_Green%20copy.png |
| 23:14.30 | donny_baker | ~Constitution++ |
| 23:18.18 | JeffM | all of them should be somewhere in the shirts dir |
| 23:18.37 | JeffM | sorry was in a meeting, had to get my yearly review |
| 23:19.03 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, yeah well, shirts do get washed :) |
| 23:19.25 | JeffM | Winny, 2 colors |
| 23:19.34 | Erroneous | mmm, now that's a warning I've not seen before: "warning C4717: recursive on all control paths, function will cause runtime stack overflow" |
| 23:19.36 | JeffM | well depends who I go with |
| 23:19.47 | SpazzyMcGee | you can have the PSD if you want to fiddle with the colours |
| 23:19.48 | JeffM | Erroneous, it's good that it can detect that |
| 23:19.56 | Erroneous | yeah, I was surprised |
| 23:20.03 | Winny | JeffM: two colors what? |
| 23:20.08 | SpazzyMcGee | It's set up so it's just the colour overlay blending effect. |
| 23:20.30 | JeffM | Winny, if I use cafe press, the mugs can have N colors, if I use another company ( cheaper at higher quantity, and they do clear mugs ) 2 colors for the mug image |
| 23:20.37 | Winny | ahh, the mug question |
| 23:20.40 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:20.41 | JeffM | I was gone |
| 23:20.44 | Winny | I forget quickly |
| 23:20.47 | Winny | :) |
| 23:21.14 | JeffM | it is going to be very hard to not buy a big ass TV |
| 23:21.19 | SpazzyMcGee | Two different colours or a colour nd the boackground? |
| 23:21.25 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, 2 |
| 23:21.26 | spldart | Congradulations JeffM |
| 23:21.44 | JeffM | tho I don't think I'll order 72 mugs, so I'll probably do cafe press |
| 23:21.51 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:21.53 | JeffM | where I can do just lots of like 20 |
| 23:22.12 | JeffM | the 2 color place offered these cool colored glass mugs tho |
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| 23:24.28 | SpazzyMcGee | http://www.discountmugs.com |
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| 23:31.14 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, yeah they have a 45$ screen charge per color |
| 23:31.25 | SpazzyMcGee | eek |
| 23:31.29 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:31.33 | spldart | woah |
| 23:31.36 | JeffM | many of them only make sense in volume |
| 23:31.59 | JeffM | I can get cafe press mugs shiped to me, for about 8.50 a pop |
| 23:32.29 | JeffM | so using the standard margin of "sell just over half to break even" takes me to around 15$ |
| 23:34.15 | JeffM | I'm prety sure it could fit one into a flat rate box with foam to not break |
| 23:34.25 | JeffM | unless they come in nice shiping boxes allready :) |
| 23:34.56 | Saturos | JeffM: Shall I aim for grey/white (2 colors) + black or anything dark from the shirt or grey/white/black (3 colors) and not use the t-shirt's own tone? |
| 23:35.32 | spldart | mmMMmm transhipping |
| 23:35.45 | JeffM | Saturos, go for 3 |
| 23:36.01 | Saturos | I wonder if the faces of the grey have to be very accurate or if the black just gets printed over some parts of the grey |
| 23:36.09 | JeffM | if we do 2 colors it'll be making the backgorund of back |
| 23:36.33 | JeffM | I can work 3 colors into the price |
| 23:36.38 | JeffM | it dosn't change it by much at all |
| 23:36.45 | JeffM | 13.50 instead of 13 :) |
| 23:36.51 | Saturos | Same for white. Do I have to cut out the tank from the white circle or is it just printed on top? |
| 23:37.02 | JeffM | it will proably be printed on top |
| 23:37.06 | Saturos | being independent from the shirt is good |
| 23:37.08 | JeffM | black, then gray, then white |
| 23:37.22 | JeffM | or maybe gray then black then white |
| 23:37.27 | Saturos | that way one could even have lighter colors for the shirt |
| 23:37.35 | JeffM | yeah your desing is very good at being shirt independent |
| 23:37.42 | Saturos | it depends on how I arrange the layers |
| 23:37.48 | JeffM | he'll seperate them |
| 23:38.07 | Saturos | at the moment I got a big whute circle, grey shaped over it and very straight black lines |
| 23:38.11 | Saturos | *white |
| 23:38.17 | Saturos | *shapes |
| 23:39.02 | L4m3r | hehe... you guys could do bumper stickers too. like, really cheesy ones. "My other car is a tank" |
| 23:40.27 | Saturos | http://saturos.de/s/ZZ26B95EBF.png |
| 23:41.09 | Saturos | with that layout white would be printed first, then grey, then black.. obviously. every layer overlaps its predecessor. |
| 23:41.53 | JeffM | ok that will work |
| 23:42.05 | Saturos | thats how I know it from flex print |
| 23:43.46 | Saturos | k, I'll try to stick a flag on top of it now |
| 23:45.01 | Saturos | btw, JeffM, your tank is awesome |
| 23:45.06 | Saturos | I'm totally loving it. |
| 23:52.22 | JeffM | the big test will be when it's textured |
| 23:52.27 | JeffM | but thank you |
| 23:52.53 | Winny | JeffM: how do you feel about texture baking some AO onto the tank? |
| 23:53.01 | JeffM | AO? |
| 23:53.08 | Winny | Ambient Occlusion |
| 23:53.17 | JeffM | lighting? |
| 23:53.45 | JeffM | yes I expect the texture to be shaded |
| 23:53.57 | Winny | sort of, it simulates the brightness in a given area if the object is in a uniformly lit sphere |
| 23:53.58 | JeffM | not totaly but darker in places that get less light, like under turret |
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| 23:57.42 | Constitution | or, we can wait until the 3D engine, when we'll be able to do real shadows ;) |
