| 00:00.23 | JeffM | does it take them to apple's site and charge them 1500$ |
| 00:00.29 | Winny | sure |
| 00:01.08 | Winny | also prints out a giant picture of steve jobs |
| 00:01.53 | JeffM | we'll get sued for that |
| 00:03.09 | Winny | Fine, it prints out a giant picture of brlcad |
| 00:03.47 | JeffM | pstt.. I've met him.. he is steve jobs |
| 00:03.56 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:09.07 | F687s | I never got why you would wear a turtleneck in California... |
| 00:09.57 | F687s | s/you/anyone/ |
| 00:10.07 | JeffM | it's not always hot |
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| 00:11.45 | Winny | Just like it's not always cold in canada :p |
| 00:14.17 | Winny | I bed I know how I can scare JeffM |
| 00:14.31 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/kyle/snow/SnowPano.jpg :P |
| 00:14.49 | JeffM | oh I don't mind snow |
| 00:14.56 | JeffM | kinda like to vist it |
| 00:15.03 | whodaman | same |
| 00:15.07 | JeffM | but I don't live where it is by choice ;) |
| 00:15.18 | Winny | night |
| 00:15.45 | JeffM | and seriously man. I'd think that fire would work a lot better :) |
| 00:16.02 | Winny | eh? |
| 00:16.07 | JeffM | for clearing snow |
| 00:16.27 | Winny | You remove one foot and 2 more come :p |
| 00:16.54 | JeffM | well that happens with the blower too |
| 00:17.49 | Winny | Think it's worth having the SVN address on the download page? or should that go on the development page? |
| 00:18.35 | JeffM | you can mention it, perhaps just linking to the svn page on the wiki |
| 00:18.46 | Winny | alright |
| 00:19.23 | whodaman | Winny, where's your page located atm? |
| 00:19.31 | Winny | http://bzflagr.net/drupal/ |
| 00:19.58 | Winny | I think |
| 00:20.01 | JeffM | the gradient is too harsh |
| 00:20.10 | JeffM | the dark side belnds in with those dar icons |
| 00:20.18 | Winny | which one, the download one? I havent updated it since this morning |
| 00:20.25 | JeffM | and then it goes to light VERY fast and nearly blurs out the text |
| 00:20.26 | JeffM | yes |
| 00:20.34 | Winny | yeah, that is tres` old |
| 00:20.59 | JeffM | main page dosn't look horible tho |
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| 00:21.23 | JeffM | I could do with out the icon overlay in the title image |
| 00:21.34 | JeffM | no need to have it duplicated there and in the box below |
| 00:21.58 | Winny | I'mm probably get rid of the one on the what is bz box |
| 00:22.03 | Winny | I'll* |
| 00:22.05 | JeffM | I like that one |
| 00:22.10 | JeffM | I don't like it over the image |
| 00:22.15 | JeffM | can't tell what it is |
| 00:22.56 | Winny | hmm, ok |
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| 01:14.47 | JeffM | use pastebin.bzflag.bz |
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| 01:22.29 | blast007 | poof |
| 01:22.32 | Winny | hehe |
| 01:22.44 | Winny | someone go re-break CGI IRC ;) |
| 01:22.59 | blast007 | "them selfs" ... |
| 01:24.25 | Winny | JeffM, how about now? http://bzflagr.net/drupal/node/2 |
| 01:24.54 | JeffM | still don't like the blend, or the icon image overlay |
| 01:25.07 | JeffM | it's not as bad on the dark side |
| 01:25.16 | JeffM | but the light side blends too mcuh |
| 01:27.48 | JeffM | you only have 18% contrast at the end of vista |
| 01:28.48 | Winny | hmm |
| 01:29.25 | Winny | Stop! It's ham..er drop shadow time |
| 01:31.14 | JeffM | you can not touch this! |
| 01:35.02 | Winny | there, drop shadowed |
| 01:35.26 | Winny | hmm, I guess added the download link might be wise |
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| 02:10.11 | Winny | It fills in the block content.. but it ignores the subject :/ |
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| 02:23.58 | Winny | JeffM, crap alert |
| 02:24.00 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12357 |
| 02:24.13 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12358 |
| 02:27.59 | JeffM | thats the best he could come up with? |
| 02:33.20 | Winny | apparantly so |
| 02:33.37 | JeffM | weak sauce |
| 02:34.47 | Winny | What was his IP? |
| 02:35.11 | JeffM | some proxy |
| 02:35.23 | Winny | hmm, ok |
| 03:23.09 | spldart | Man.. I gotta sit on my left hand to play ducati style LOL |
| 03:34.30 | spldart | Ok... tanker name "Niglett" I think I should find that offensive. Second opinion? |
| 03:34.51 | JeffM | registered? |
| 03:35.07 | spldart | I'd have to ssh in... it was in my bzadmin |
| 03:35.54 | JeffM | tisn |
| 03:35.58 | JeffM | tisn't reged |
| 03:36.00 | spldart | Ok.. not |
| 03:36.04 | spldart | just checked |
| 03:36.05 | JeffM | and yes it probably is meant to be offensive |
| 03:36.12 | spldart | okies.. ban time... |
| 03:38.08 | JeffM | and now shan't ever be registered :) |
| 03:38.46 | spldart | Were under the precise name "Niglett2" and I can supply an IP too if you wish |
| 03:39.17 | JeffM | not reged ether |
| 03:40.09 | JeffM | damn.. now I think I'm going to have to buy the larger xbox 360 hard drive :/ |
| 03:40.40 | spldart | Game images or else? |
| 03:40.48 | JeffM | downloadable content |
| 03:40.52 | spldart | ah |
| 03:40.52 | JeffM | tv shows |
| 03:41.04 | JeffM | kept me out of the HD format war |
| 03:41.18 | JeffM | disks are so 20th centry ;) |
| 03:41.25 | spldart | Hah! |
| 03:42.00 | JeffM | when I move I'll seriously be looking at the ATT uverse stuff, instead of dsl/cable |
| 03:45.56 | spldart | N/A here |
| 03:52.42 | JeffM | whoot got the xbox to play the non protected content from iTunes :) |
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| 08:11.41 | brlcad | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/Application_Guidelines |
| 08:30.05 | brlcad | excellent |
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| 13:14.37 | spldart | Time for work |
| 13:17.21 | Winny | hehe |
| 13:18.08 | Winny | Why is the OS X binary so big? Are all the libs built in or something? |
| 13:25.45 | ruskie | Winny, probably all binaries for other versions |
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| 14:02.27 | brlcad | the libs are in there as well as entire duplicates for the uni types |
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| 14:22.32 | Winny | brlcad, can you think of a reason it (drupal) would insert a title in the navagation block, but not the custom blocks? |
| 14:22.40 | Winny | It was intserting them before.. |
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| 14:25.12 | Winny | o.O I renamed it and it worked... odd. |
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| 15:42.28 | Winny | oh dear god no |
| 15:42.33 | Winny | more snow on Thursday :/ |
| 15:42.45 | Lukstr | Winny, Really? |
| 15:42.53 | Lukstr | Winny, did you get slammed like I did? :P |
| 15:43.03 | Winny | If we get any more Ill need a goddamn periscope |
| 15:43.10 | Winny | Lukstr, where are you? |
| 15:43.15 | Lukstr | Ontario |
| 15:43.18 | Winny | me too |
| 15:43.19 | Winny | :o |
| 15:43.21 | Lukstr | hah |
| 15:43.22 | Winny | Ottawa |
| 15:43.27 | Lukstr | I'm in Guelph |
| 15:43.30 | Winny | ah |
| 15:47.03 | Winny | :) |
| 15:48.29 | Lukstr | hehe |
| 15:48.32 | Lukstr | I want to go skiing |
| 15:49.06 | Winny | pah, outside things |
| 15:49.22 | Lukstr | hehe |
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| 15:58.54 | Winny | :o) |
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| 15:59.43 | JeffM | he can do a couple hoodies in the mix |
| 16:00.11 | JeffM | tho he can't do the URL on the shoulder for them, but I figure that is ok |
| 16:07.23 | JeffM | what site? |
| 16:07.23 | Winny | drupal |
| 16:07.23 | JeffM | for screenshots and the ilk? |
| 16:07.24 | JeffM | it woudl be nice |
| 16:07.30 | Winny | "ilk"? |
| 16:08.33 | JeffM | it is a word |
| 16:08.33 | JeffM | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ilk |
| 16:09.13 | Lukstr | English is so much fun. |
| 16:10.55 | Tedius | good crossword word |
| 16:12.28 | Winny | JeffM, is there any way to disable posting and just have a poll? |
| 16:12.46 | JeffM | not in 2.0 |
| 16:12.49 | Winny | darn |
| 16:12.59 | JeffM | it's ok, I can manage one thread if I can manage them all ;) |
| 16:13.03 | Winny | :) |
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| 16:13.19 | JeffM | but I realy need to get a good idea for the shirt sizes before we order |
| 16:13.43 | JeffM | I have a feeling I'll have to order more smalls then I inital expected |
| 16:14.04 | Winny | oh? |
| 16:15.38 | JeffM | kids and those skinny bastards |
| 16:16.32 | Winny | oh |
| 16:16.38 | Lukstr | hah |
| 16:16.59 | JeffM | but I need to know before hand since it's not print on demand |
| 16:17.30 | Lukstr | yeah damn them skinny programmers, I got stuck with an XL shirt from my last job because it was the only size left :( |
| 16:17.35 | JeffM | heh |
| 16:22.41 | JeffM | I just need to find a shize chart |
| 16:33.38 | spldart | Woohoo tornadic storms rolling in here :) |
| 16:33.47 | Winny | :O |
| 16:34.12 | JeffM | metric countries would measure a shirt in CM right? |
| 16:34.52 | blast007 | spldart: if this was Operation Weather Disaster, you could fire the cyclonic missile |
| 16:35.11 | spldart | :) |
| 16:35.21 | Winny | oh crap I left tea brewing 2 hours ago brb |
| 16:35.41 | spldart | black sky |
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| 16:39.05 | Winny | ew.. the teabag like, dissolved |
| 16:41.49 | Chestal | what kind of tea? |
| 16:42.24 | Winny | Not sure, some cheap stuff |
| 16:42.41 | Chestal | black tea, though? must be yummy after 2 hours ;-) |
| 16:42.54 | Winny | hehe |
| 16:45.41 | JeffM | http://store.bzflag.bz/images/guldian_2000_size_chart.png |
| 16:45.45 | JeffM | that's the size chart |
| 16:48.19 | JeffM | I thought you wanted a hoodie? |
| 16:48.28 | Winny | that too |
| 16:48.32 | Winny | :) |
| 16:48.46 | JeffM | you will have to prepay for the hoodie, is that ok? |
| 16:48.55 | Winny | yep |
| 16:49.15 | JeffM | we can do them, I checked with the printer and we can add other items to the order at no penality as long as they use the same art, and same ink color |
| 16:49.58 | Winny | I assume the logo is going on the front? |
| 16:50.38 | JeffM | for the hoodie? or t-shirt? |
| 16:50.54 | Winny | hoodie |
| 16:50.59 | JeffM | dunno yet |
| 16:51.44 | JeffM | since they will be prepay, we can get a consensus from the few that are buying them |
| 16:56.25 | brlcad | JeffM: could prepay hoodies out of available funds |
| 16:56.35 | JeffM | brlcad, they ain't cheap |
| 16:56.35 | brlcad | if you didn't want to "pass it forward" |
| 16:56.56 | JeffM | how much do we have? |
| 16:57.19 | JeffM | and yeah he can do your special shirt too ;) |
| 16:57.22 | JeffM | I checked |
| 16:57.50 | JeffM | we can print on any style in the minium order as long as it's the same artwork and same ink colors |
| 16:57.52 | ts | How will the logos be placed on the shirts? |
| 16:58.04 | JeffM | probably on the back, but that depends on the final design |
| 16:58.10 | JeffM | I'm thinking logo on the back |
| 16:58.16 | JeffM | and a small URL on the cuff of the sleve |
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| 16:58.30 | JeffM | perhaps also the URL in the logo of course |
| 16:58.31 | brlcad | figured they're not, but we have about 500 to spare .. and the funds would replenish, it just covers the advance |
| 16:58.54 | brlcad | yaya for custom snazzy shirt |
| 16:58.58 | JeffM | brlcad, ok, it's an option. |
| 16:59.20 | ts | Will the logo be "foil" put on the shirts? |
| 16:59.29 | JeffM | ts no |
| 16:59.37 | JeffM | it will not be that cheap print on demands tuff |
| 16:59.38 | JeffM | stuff |
| 16:59.41 | brlcad | there's not a set design yet, is there? |
| 16:59.47 | JeffM | it will be a real silkscreen |
| 16:59.58 | JeffM | brlcad, no, but our man saturos has asked to take a crack at it ;) |
| 16:59.59 | brlcad | saturos working on something? |
| 17:00.01 | JeffM | so I am not woried |
| 17:00.02 | JeffM | yes |
| 17:00.09 | brlcad | okay |
| 17:00.19 | brlcad | he knows how many colors he has to work with? :)P |
| 17:00.22 | JeffM | I love working with him he is so very profestional |
| 17:00.23 | ts | ~dict silkscreen |
| 17:00.24 | JeffM | yes |
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| 17:00.39 | JeffM | ts, it is the normal printing process you'd see on a shirt from a regular store |
| 17:00.39 | ts | Aaah... |
| 17:00.47 | JeffM | the flexable type |
| 17:00.50 | JeffM | the good type :) |
| 17:00.53 | ts | I know... |
| 17:01.15 | ts | My shirt I have is the foil type. |
| 17:01.25 | whodaman- | heh |
| 17:01.33 | ts | The cheap type. |
| 17:01.52 | ts | (the phago shirts) |
| 17:01.57 | JeffM | yeah I don't like those |
| 17:02.05 | JeffM | those use a print on demand system |
| 17:02.13 | ts | cool |
| 17:02.14 | JeffM | we could go with those, and not spend any money |
| 17:02.20 | JeffM | but we would make less |
| 17:02.23 | JeffM | and they suck :) |
| 17:02.53 | ts | Well, the silver looks odd on the shirt..I'll see waves in it |
| 17:03.13 | ts | but the white is no problem (black shirt) |
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| 17:07.49 | JeffM | DTRemenak, time change.. come to work, it's 10! |
| 17:08.04 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:10.10 | JeffM | ts, is there a name that you know the slikscreen process by in europe? |
| 17:10.20 | JeffM | some term that will help me describe it better? |
| 17:10.30 | JeffM | Ive had a number of europeans not know what I mean |
| 17:12.03 | Winny | JeffM: Perhaps "Screen Printing"? I've heard it said that way before |
| 17:12.45 | JeffM | k, that's a good term |
| 17:12.48 | JeffM | any others? |
| 17:14.14 | ts | JeffM: I don't understand the question :/ |
| 17:15.02 | ts | If you mean another english term for the process then I have no clue. |
| 17:15.07 | JeffM | ok |
| 17:15.20 | JeffM | i"m just trying to make it as clear as I can :) |
| 17:15.26 | ts | I only know how it's called in my own language. |
| 17:15.40 | JeffM | ok |
| 17:20.45 | JeffM | everyone go vote :) http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=121943#121943 |
| 17:21.11 | Tedius | silkscreening = screen-printing= serigraphy |
| 17:21.20 | Tedius | (oops, I was too late) |
| 17:23.42 | JeffM | well you can add it as a post to the thread if need be :) |
| 17:24.43 | JeffM | is 5$ a fair price for a bzflag CD? |
| 17:25.40 | Tedius | yep |
| 17:25.59 | JeffM | hopefully I'll be able to test the store soon by selling some |
| 17:26.05 | JeffM | I got the link to USP working |
| 17:26.08 | JeffM | USPS |
| 17:26.11 | JeffM | it's kinda cool |
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| 17:29.19 | Winny | yay, creepy blender toon shading |
| 17:29.44 | JeffM | can a regular user verify that they can vote in that poll thread? |
| 17:30.30 | Winny | I just did |
| 17:31.09 | JeffM | yay |
| 17:35.46 | Winny | blah, toon shading looks icky |
| 17:39.05 | CBG | Random Thought: Screen Printing 10 T-Shirts would work out a lot more expensive than 'printing on demand'. |
| 17:39.19 | Winny | Printing on demand is horrible |
| 17:39.21 | Winny | it washes off |
| 17:39.27 | JeffM | CBG, we are printing 50 |
| 17:39.40 | JeffM | it will end up like 8$ish per shirt |
| 17:39.45 | CBG | Ok. It's just that there are only 7 votes. But I'm sure that'll go up... |
| 17:39.58 | JeffM | CBG, the thread has been up for like 15 min ;) |
| 17:40.06 | CBG | Yeah.. ;) |
| 17:40.21 | JeffM | it's hard to get print on demand shirts under 10$ a pop |
| 17:40.27 | JeffM | they also suck |
| 17:40.46 | JeffM | here we have a 16 shirt minium |
| 17:41.05 | JeffM | so it's not to hard to get that |
| 17:41.49 | JeffM | intersting, 2 smalls allready |
| 17:41.58 | Winny | the kiddies who won't actually buy one :p |
| 17:42.07 | JeffM | maybe |
| 17:42.09 | JeffM | maybe not |
| 17:42.15 | JeffM | if the shirt is cheap enough they may |
| 17:42.19 | JeffM | thats why I want to keep it down |
| 17:42.41 | JeffM | acording to saturos even with shiping we will be rather inexpensive for europe |
| 17:43.11 | Winny | how many colors are we aiming for? |
| 17:43.14 | JeffM | 2 |
| 17:43.22 | Winny | blargh |
| 17:43.31 | JeffM | but its only 0.50$ more per color per shirt |
| 17:43.40 | JeffM | so if the design is great we can work something out |
| 17:43.46 | JeffM | thats why I said 13 to 15$ |
| 17:43.52 | JeffM | we can go up to 4 |
| 17:43.57 | Winny | yay |
| 17:44.03 | JeffM | less is better |
| 17:44.42 | JeffM | I'd like the pricing to work out where if we sell between 60 and 75% of the shirts we break even |
| 17:52.07 | brlcad | yay, suppressed the main wiki page header |
| 17:53.37 | Winny | eh? |
| 17:53.49 | brlcad | it used to say Main Page at the top |
| 17:53.55 | brlcad | annoying |
| 17:54.07 | brlcad | now it's nice and clean with just the logo header |
| 17:54.13 | brlcad | s/logo/image/ |
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| 18:11.48 | Winny | I think I've developed the creepiest 80's tshirt ever |
| 18:24.06 | L4m3r | is Michael Jackson on it? |
| 18:24.58 | brlcad | does it involve your sister? |
| 18:25.25 | whodaman- | lol! |
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| 18:27.02 | donny_baker | ~brlcad++ |
| 18:27.26 | donny_baker | i am trying to find time to redo the body of the main page |
| 18:29.09 | brlcad | yeah, seriously needs reworked |
| 18:30.30 | donny_baker | doh... im the only one in my size :P |
| 18:31.12 | Winny | hehe |
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| 19:31.53 | JeffM | extra large.. In the lead! |
| 19:33.21 | SpazzyMcGee | JeffM, you posted about T-shirt designs. Are you looking for others? |
| 19:33.37 | SpazzyMcGee | What sort of specs would they need to be? |
| 19:34.18 | JeffM | max is 12 wide, 14 high |
| 19:34.31 | SpazzyMcGee | 12... inches? |
| 19:34.38 | JeffM | one to four colors |
| 19:34.39 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:34.41 | JeffM | inches |
| 19:34.49 | JeffM | on a colored shirt |
| 19:35.20 | JeffM | http://www.imprintablecatalog.com/catalog/search/?category=A&mill=42&style=2000 |
| 19:35.23 | JeffM | that has the colors |
| 19:35.36 | Winny | are those the silkscreen and shit colors? |
| 19:35.38 | JeffM | my current idea is to have the design/logo on the back |
| 19:35.38 | SpazzyMcGee | Are there standard background colors? Or should the background be transparent? |
| 19:35.46 | Erroneous | naw, 12 mm. very small shirts ;) |
| 19:35.48 | JeffM | those are ink colors |
| 19:36.07 | JeffM | 4 ink colors |
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| 19:36.12 | JeffM | one shirt color |
| 19:36.35 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, the bacground will be one of those shirt colors in the link |
| 19:36.47 | JeffM | I don't want a white shirt |
| 19:38.00 | donny_baker | aww.. i wanted a shirt with 4 different colors :p |
| 19:38.06 | SpazzyMcGee | yeah, but there are no actual color values. to make a seamless image it would need to be the same color as the shirt. |
| 19:38.21 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, transperant would be good |
| 19:38.26 | JeffM | vector art would be better |
| 19:38.34 | JeffM | it also can NOT have any blends |
| 19:38.36 | JeffM | no gradients |
| 19:38.39 | SpazzyMcGee | Yeah, that's what I meant. |
| 19:38.41 | JeffM | no anti aliasing |
| 19:38.48 | SpazzyMcGee | Yeah, obviously. |
| 19:38.51 | JeffM | just flat colors |
| 19:39.18 | SpazzyMcGee | OK, I'll do some designs. |
| 19:39.23 | JeffM | ok |
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| 20:46.12 | the_lone_tanker | well |
| 20:46.19 | the_lone_tanker | just wanted to say im sorry |
| 20:46.38 | JeffM | for? |
| 20:46.47 | the_lone_tanker | well my lang first off |
| 20:46.54 | JeffM | where? |
| 20:47.02 | the_lone_tanker | at the server |
| 20:47.05 | the_lone_tanker | servers |
| 20:47.19 | JeffM | ahh THE server, yeah, not like we have more then one. my bad ;) |
| 20:47.55 | the_lone_tanker | lol |
| 20:48.05 | the_lone_tanker | i got on the mb list amazingly |
| 20:48.12 | Winny | So, are you going to stop being stupid now? |
| 20:48.16 | the_lone_tanker | i didnt even half to do much but have bad lang and tk |
| 20:48.26 | the_lone_tanker | ya i am |
| 20:48.31 | F687s___ | Winny: Very subtle and gentle, there... |
| 20:48.38 | Winny | good |
| 20:48.48 | JeffM | the_lone_tanker, cool, good luck with that |
| 20:48.49 | the_lone_tanker | at 1 time i was admin at alot of places |
| 20:48.59 | JeffM | so? |
| 20:49.05 | the_lone_tanker | are u the real jeff? |
| 20:49.14 | JeffM | depends what you mean by real |
| 20:49.17 | JeffM | my name is Jeff |
| 20:49.21 | the_lone_tanker | nvm |
| 20:49.25 | Epyon | JeffM, any news on GSoC? |
| 20:49.30 | the_lone_tanker | what does it take to get off the mb list ? |
| 20:49.34 | JeffM | Epyon, such as |
| 20:49.52 | JeffM | Epyon, the org applicaiton process is still underway |
| 20:49.57 | Epyon | I dunno, I've been drinking the last 6 days, so I was "out of things" :P |
| 20:50.08 | Epyon | Have you submitted already? |
| 20:50.23 | JeffM | the_lone_tanker, get known server ops to ask for you to be back, they can set local exeptions to let you play |
| 20:50.27 | JeffM | Epyon, I belive we have |
| 20:50.35 | JeffM | orgs arn't picked for another 10 days |
| 20:50.48 | the_lone_tanker | so they control the masterbans? |
| 20:50.51 | JeffM | no |
| 20:51.09 | JeffM | they recomend to us who should be removed, and tell us if you really are "better" |
| 20:51.18 | the_lone_tanker | kk |
| 20:51.26 | JeffM | usualy takes a couple months |
| 20:51.28 | the_lone_tanker | so how do i get ahold of em they seem idle |
| 20:51.36 | JeffM | depends on the server |
| 20:51.41 | JeffM | but that's part of the legwork you have to do |
| 20:51.54 | JeffM | going out and contacting server owners and making nice |
| 20:51.58 | the_lone_tanker | i can still play bz but id like to do it honestly now |
| 20:52.04 | JeffM | the_lone_tanker, the do it |
| 20:52.09 | JeffM | that's all it takes |
| 20:52.17 | JeffM | personaly if I were you, I'd pick a new name |
| 20:52.18 | the_lone_tanker | then ill get mbed for that 2 |
| 20:52.41 | JeffM | only if screw up more |
| 20:53.05 | the_lone_tanker | i know 6 or 7 peopel who should be put on the mb list but are out havign a good time |
| 20:53.16 | JeffM | the_lone_tanker, not everyone can be masterbaned |
| 20:53.21 | the_lone_tanker | furble asked if he could carry on the lone tanker tradition |
| 20:53.30 | JeffM | but are you here to just grumble and argue? |
| 20:53.35 | the_lone_tanker | nope |
| 20:53.42 | JeffM | do you actualy care about the game? |
| 20:53.46 | the_lone_tanker | yes |
| 20:54.01 | JeffM | then why would you want others to cheat too? |
| 20:54.08 | the_lone_tanker | i dont know |
| 20:54.20 | JeffM | that's what you have to figure out before people will trust you |
| 20:54.21 | the_lone_tanker | im the 3rd lone tanker b4 me |
| 20:54.25 | JeffM | whatever |
| 20:54.39 | the_lone_tanker | 1999-2008 |
| 20:54.39 | JeffM | If I were you, I'd pick a new name, and just go play |
| 20:54.45 | the_lone_tanker | kk |
| 20:54.46 | JeffM | instead of all this braging. |
| 20:54.50 | the_lone_tanker | but yall ranged me |
| 20:54.59 | JeffM | and? |
| 20:55.06 | the_lone_tanker | i cant play |
| 20:55.18 | JeffM | that is why you go talk to the server owners for an exeption |
| 20:55.22 | the_lone_tanker | knightmare said theres nutting he can do for it |
| 20:55.26 | JeffM | your bed, you made it, now sleep in it |
| 20:55.44 | the_lone_tanker | im masterbanned i cant enter the game at all |
| 20:55.59 | JeffM | anitban |
| 20:56.13 | the_lone_tanker | i had antipollban |
| 20:56.16 | L4m3r | or servers can opt not to use the masterban |
| 20:56.18 | the_lone_tanker | not anti ban |
| 20:56.22 | JeffM | that isn't the same thing |
| 20:56.22 | the_lone_tanker | ok |
| 20:56.23 | L4m3r | or use their own |
| 20:56.24 | Winny | the_lone_tanker: aww. You cheated and got banned. Better think about that next time. |
| 20:56.31 | the_lone_tanker | hm |
| 20:56.38 | the_lone_tanker | i aitn the origoanl lone tanker\ |
| 20:56.39 | JeffM | the_lone_tanker, after what you pulled, I'm not willing to just remove your masterban on your word |
| 20:56.41 | Winny | You get what you give |
| 20:56.46 | JeffM | the_lone_tanker, dosn't mater |
| 20:56.55 | JeffM | work soemthing out with a server owner |
| 20:57.07 | the_lone_tanker | hell the first lone tanker was a asshole in 2000 |
| 20:57.11 | JeffM | if you can't, then sorry, you burned your bridgew |
| 20:57.16 | JeffM | the_lone_tanker, please watch your language here |
| 20:57.19 | the_lone_tanker | i got the job 2 years ago to carry on the work |
| 20:57.23 | JeffM | and again, I don't care about anyone else ith the name |
| 20:57.39 | Winny | the_lone_tanker: you didn't have to do anything |
| 20:57.42 | Winny | you chose to do it |
| 20:57.43 | JeffM | the masterban was for YOUR Ips, so that means it was based on YOUR action |
| 20:57.45 | JeffM | deal with it |
| 20:58.07 | the_lone_tanker | well ig2g |
| 20:58.12 | the_lone_tanker | thx guys for the chat |
| 20:58.44 | Winny | I wonder why he thinks we care |
| 20:59.05 | JeffM | he'll learn in time |
| 20:59.13 | JeffM | Winny, because some peopel DO care |
| 20:59.24 | JeffM | he just beat a horse that was dead too many times |
| 20:59.42 | JeffM | he could get back, it'll just take time |
| 21:01.58 | Winny | hehe |
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| 21:14.50 | newbie8787 | hello everyone |
| 21:14.54 | JeffM | hello |
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| 21:16.42 | the_lone_tanker | hey |
| 21:16.47 | JeffM | hello |
| 21:17.18 | the_lone_tanker | contacted 1 admin apparently he told me to fuck off and banned me from chat |
| 21:17.24 | the_lone_tanker | srry lang |
| 21:17.26 | JeffM | DUDE, language here |
| 21:17.31 | Winny | His choice |
| 21:17.33 | the_lone_tanker | i know! i forget |
| 21:17.34 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:17.37 | JeffM | his choice |
| 21:17.41 | JeffM | you have to you know, convince them |
| 21:17.44 | JeffM | we won't help you |
| 21:17.48 | Winny | Frankly, I'm not very akin to believe you, even if you ARE telling the truth |
| 21:18.04 | the_lone_tanker | winny i got the chat logs from yall talkign about me |
| 21:18.05 | JeffM | it will take lots of work on your part to do it right |
| 21:18.11 | JeffM | the_lone_tanker, it dosn't matter |
| 21:18.13 | the_lone_tanker | winny:oh god the lone tanker? |
| 21:18.18 | JeffM | people can say what they want |
| 21:18.23 | the_lone_tanker | agreed |
| 21:18.28 | Winny | I never said that, but nice try! |
| 21:18.34 | the_lone_tanker | hmm hold on |
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| 21:18.45 | JeffM2501 | the_lone_tanker, do not post private conversation with out permision |
| 21:18.54 | JeffM2501 | as far as I can tell you have not learned a thing |
| 21:18.58 | JeffM2501 | go do the work |
| 21:19.02 | JeffM2501 | and see what you get out of it |
| 21:19.18 | JeffM2501 | nothing you say here will change anything |
| 21:19.23 | JeffM2501 | it's as simple as that |
| 21:19.53 | newbie8787 | was going through the tasks for this years gsoc , glad to see that 3D Engine Integration has been split into two |
| 21:20.09 | JeffM2501 | newbie8787, it'll be more then 2 when it's done ;) |
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| 21:20.14 | the_lone_tanker | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/20071219.html.gz |
| 21:20.30 | the_lone_tanker | 22:17.53Winnyoh god, the lone tanker? |
| 21:20.33 | JeffM2501 | the_lone_tanker, what are you trying to prove |
| 21:20.36 | newbie8787 | yup , two is more of an understatement |
| 21:20.44 | JeffM2501 | ok,the the_lone_tanker bye bye |
| 21:20.49 | *** kick/#bzflag [the_lone_tanker!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 21:20.53 | Winny | \o/ |
| 21:20.59 | JeffM2501 | Winny, be nice |
| 21:21.06 | Winny | fine |
| 21:21.11 | newbie8787 | but splitting the logic and graphics is the first step!! |
| 21:21.13 | Winny | /o\ |
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| 21:21.22 | the_lone_tanker | whyd u kick me |
| 21:21.30 | JeffM2501 | the_lone_tanker, read your PM |
| 21:21.30 | the_lone_tanker | i was talkign and behaving |
| 21:21.40 | JeffM2501 | newbie8787, it is |
| 21:21.48 | jorgenpt | Yeah |
| 21:22.01 | jorgenpt | That'd be awesome, make bzrobots more maintainable ;) |
| 21:22.37 | JeffM2501 | it woudl make lots of things more maintainable |
| 21:22.47 | newbie8787 | but one real problem that i am facing is , i am not really able to understand a lot of the code owing to the fact that i cant find proper API docs |
| 21:23.33 | JeffM2501 | the API is only for the server |
| 21:23.35 | JeffM2501 | not the client |
| 21:23.47 | JeffM2501 | the wiki documents some of the API, but the code is the ultimate doc |
| 21:23.47 | newbie8787 | i know |
| 21:24.11 | newbie8787 | that API is avail only for the server |
| 21:24.34 | newbie8787 | coz processing is being moved from client to server |
| 21:24.53 | JeffM2501 | that's not the reason for the API, but sure, our eventual goal is to do more on the server |
| 21:24.59 | JeffM2501 | but you can always ask here about the API |
| 21:25.23 | newbie8787 | any function i dont understand?? just ask here? |
| 21:25.36 | newbie8787 | because i think that would be really annoying |
| 21:25.39 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 21:25.43 | Winny | <ot> holy crap compiz fusion has had over 700 commits today |
| 21:25.43 | newbie8787 | to you guys |
| 21:25.47 | JeffM2501 | well you are expected to do some resaerch |
| 21:25.56 | JeffM2501 | we will answer intelegent questions |
| 21:26.03 | JeffM2501 | and point you in the right direction |
| 21:26.06 | JeffM2501 | but we won't spoon feed you |
| 21:26.29 | newbie8787 | well i believe i have proved so far that i have done my homework |
| 21:26.29 | Epyon | OMG, WoW's UI Lua API is ... horrible D: |
| 21:26.50 | Epyon | JeffM2501, what's the state of BZ clients Font code? |
| 21:26.56 | JeffM2501 | newbie8787, it's not a proof thing, but sure |
| 21:27.06 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, what do you mean? |
| 21:27.30 | Epyon | JeffM2501, I remember there was work done to rewrite the font handling code, was it completed? |
| 21:27.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:27.41 | JeffM2501 | trunk is using my new font manager |
| 21:27.42 | Epyon | Can BZF use arbitrary fonts now? |
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| 21:27.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:27.47 | JeffM2501 | all TTF |
| 21:27.55 | JeffM2501 | using FTGL |
| 21:28.20 | Epyon | Hmm, and as I understand there was no work done yet to customize the interface except for the menu options? |
| 21:28.25 | newbie8787 | problem is , i have worked mostly on libs that have really good docs , like Irrlicht or WxWidgets(not extensive), so reading code seems really irksome now |
| 21:28.38 | JeffM2501 | newbie8787, welcome to the real world ;) |
| 21:28.51 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, there is no work on that at this time, it's low on the list |
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| 21:28.59 | Epyon | newbie8787, you should have taken the blue pill :P |
| 21:29.23 | newbie8787 | i believe i have Epyon :D |
| 21:29.55 | spldart | Ok... got info for Jeff |
| 21:30.23 | JeffM2501 | spldart, cool |
| 21:30.52 | spldart | Corredor, 50 shirts, ranging from small to Xtralarge 2 color front or back 2 color sleeve is 8 bux a shirt but there is a one time 30 screen creation fee |
| 21:31.01 | spldart | So more shirts with same print don't need more screens |
| 21:31.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:31.18 | Epyon | JeffM2501, how low? |
| 21:31.24 | spldart | Now... 4 color front or back and 2 color sleeve is 8.55 each |
| 21:31.36 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.57 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, it'd be nice but I'd rather see a lot of other thigns done first, and if we do an engine port later, any work for UI customisation may have to be redone. |
| 21:31.58 | spldart | Every X past XL is 1 more dollar |
| 21:32.05 | Epyon | JeffM2501, I was thinking of proposing client-side lua scripting, aimed mainly at the UI |
| 21:32.05 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, defently not a 3.0 thing |
| 21:32.15 | JeffM2501 | spldart, past XL? ouch |
| 21:32.42 | JeffM2501 | spldart, then yeah that's going to cost more. THe shiping from this place is less then the screen fee |
| 21:32.47 | spldart | Yep... that's the quote... Not bad if your making enough shirts but wow |
| 21:33.22 | spldart | Oki doki.. just wanted to give it a whirl and see if I could get your costs down... No problem |
| 21:35.15 | F687s | Question: If you define a flag zone above an object (specifically a base), will the flags stay up in the air, or will they float down? |
| 21:35.32 | F687s | <http://bzfmaps.net/~f687s/odd.png> Is this possible? |
| 21:35.32 | Winny | down |
| 21:35.33 | spldart | float down |
| 21:35.44 | F687s | This managed to happen... |
| 21:35.50 | JeffM2501 | spldart, thanks for doing the legwork tho. it's good to know that it looks like we have a good deal :) |
| 21:36.00 | spldart | kew |
| 21:36.09 | Winny | F687s: do you have -fb enabled? |
| 21:36.30 | spldart | Our those flags on a tranparent mesh? err something? |
| 21:36.34 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, sure lua could work, but again it's very low. I'd like to know our eventual engine first, cus that engine may allow for externaly loaded UIs and we may not even need a script |
| 21:36.35 | F687s | Winny: Nope, that'd do it... |
| 21:36.51 | F687s | Or maybe not... |
| 21:37.12 | JeffM2501 | newbie8787, that's what source controll systems are for, you can always get it back from history ;) |
| 21:37.43 | Epyon | JeffM2501, to be honest, now that I think of it, the engine port is a blocker for most interesting GSoC ideas :/ |
| 21:38.05 | newbie8787 | jeff : WHAAAAAA ??? |
| 21:38.06 | Epyon | And I guess there wont be any resolution on that soon :( |
| 21:38.42 | JeffM2501 | newbie8787, where did you get the code? svn or a tarball? |
| 21:38.56 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, after 3.0 |
| 21:39.06 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, such as what ideas? |
| 21:39.12 | newbie8787 | dloaded it as a zip file from sourceforge |
| 21:39.28 | newbie8787 | looking through it on win xp |
| 21:39.34 | newbie8787 | work on it on Linux |
| 21:39.43 | JeffM2501 | newbie8787, try using subversion |
| 21:39.51 | JeffM2501 | you will be required to do so for SoC |
| 21:40.00 | JeffM2501 | source control is good :) |
| 21:40.11 | newbie8787 | kk |
| 21:40.14 | newbie8787 | will do |
| 21:40.23 | JeffM2501 | ugg.... |
| 21:40.51 | Epyon | JeffM2501, anything related to the client actually :/ |
| 21:40.59 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, I don't think so |
| 21:41.06 | newbie8787 | btw how many slots are there this year? (please dont say it depends on the applications) |
| 21:41.11 | JeffM2501 | as long as it's not graphics releated, it can be done |
| 21:41.17 | JeffM2501 | newbie8787, we don't know |
| 21:41.22 | JeffM2501 | techincaly we have not been accpeted |
| 21:41.28 | JeffM2501 | and yes it depends on the applicatons |
| 21:41.31 | JeffM2501 | and the mentor count |
| 21:41.33 | JeffM2501 | and how many we ask for |
| 21:41.38 | JeffM2501 | and how many google gives us |
| 21:41.44 | JeffM2501 | we will ask for 5 maybe 6 |
| 21:41.53 | JeffM2501 | if we get accepted |
| 21:41.58 | Epyon | JeffM2501, if it's not graphics/media related and not network related then that doesn't leave much :) |
| 21:42.12 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, sure it does ;) |
| 21:42.14 | JeffM2501 | game logic |
| 21:42.18 | JeffM2501 | physics |
| 21:42.20 | JeffM2501 | maping |
| 21:42.25 | JeffM2501 | etc.. |
| 21:42.29 | JeffM2501 | lots can be done |
| 21:42.32 | JeffM2501 | friends lists |
| 21:42.35 | JeffM2501 | list servers |
| 21:42.37 | Winny | you could finish BZWB ;) |
| 21:42.39 | JeffM2501 | all kinds of stuff |
| 21:42.53 | newbie8787 | yeah good luck with that !!! |
| 21:43.12 | F687s | Weird. The flags are sticking exactly where they are being told to stay... |
| 21:43.37 | newbie8787 | ummm..... and thats a bad thing because .... ?? |
| 21:44.22 | Epyon | AFAIR : game logic - there's a lot people against changing that, physics - adding that in the client is just adding more powah to cheaters, maping - on the client side? |
| 21:44.23 | F687s | Because they're not supposed to float in the air! |
| 21:44.45 | Winny | F687s: then put the zone down |
| 21:44.57 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, all depends on what the changes are. and yes the client has to draw the map ;) |
| 21:45.02 | Epyon | friend lists seem a to trivial task for GSoC, list servers depend on... list servers? :P |
| 21:45.12 | F687s | Winny: I did. It's just odd... |
| 21:45.27 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, by list servers I mean the display of said list in the game |
| 21:45.29 | Epyon | JeffM2501, how the client draws the map depends on the graphics engine doesn't it? ^_^ |
| 21:45.35 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, not always |
| 21:45.42 | JeffM2501 | in the end it just comes down to a list of triangles |
| 21:45.49 | JeffM2501 | we can send that to our engine, or a 3rd party engine |
| 21:46.18 | JeffM2501 | the features for new map object can, and should be implemted in a way that is not engine specific |
| 21:46.29 | JeffM2501 | and work could be done to REMOVE thigns from the client |
| 21:46.34 | JeffM2501 | that still involves the client |
| 21:46.43 | Epyon | Finally, I'd love to do some mapgen/mapfeature stuff, but my last years project has proven that that is an unpopular choice, so whatever good idea I'd come up with would probably be rejected this year :/ |
| 21:46.50 | JeffM2501 | very few ideas if any at all woudl be totaly client only |
| 21:50.24 | newbie8787 | Jeff : sorry if i sound really nooby , but i've never used subversion ! |
| 21:50.31 | Epyon | D: |
| 21:50.34 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:50.43 | JeffM2501 | check our wiki, we have a page on how to use it |
| 21:50.45 | JeffM2501 | it's very cool |
| 21:50.53 | JeffM2501 | many students havent' use it before |
| 21:51.03 | newbie8787 | ok |
| 21:51.05 | newbie8787 | ty |
| 21:51.12 | JeffM2501 | ugg. |
| 21:51.22 | JeffM2501 | dude, can you please type in full words |
| 21:51.41 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, if you are on oyur own, you may want to look at using GET |
| 21:51.43 | jorgenpt | !lart dude |
| 21:51.48 | jorgenpt | ~lart dude |
| 21:51.48 | ibot | blasts dude to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 21:51.59 | [dmp] | GIT? |
| 21:52.10 | newbie8787 | ok (i guess this is acceptable) |
| 21:52.16 | JeffM2501 | is that how it's spelled? |
| 21:52.37 | JeffM2501 | newbie8787, you guess that proper english as oposed to AOL babble is "Acceptable"? |
| 21:52.39 | newbie8787 | why does the irc community have such a problem with shorthands |
| 21:52.40 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 21:52.42 | [dmp] | JeffM2501: If it is the distributed reversion system, yeah |
| 21:52.46 | JeffM2501 | newbie8787, because it is childish |
| 21:52.56 | JeffM2501 | and hard to read |
| 21:53.02 | Winny | it takes 2 seconds to type the full word |
| 21:53.02 | JeffM2501 | AIM this is not ;) |
| 21:53.21 | newbie8787 | alright , peace people |
| 21:53.28 | Winny | cya |
| 21:53.31 | JeffM2501 | basicly it comes down to respect, if you don't respect the person you talking to enough to not even bother trying to comunicate clearly, then why should they bother typing back to you. |
| 21:53.48 | JeffM2501 | it also has to do with the fact that not everyone is from the US |
| 21:53.53 | newbie8787 | that , in my view is an overstatement |
| 21:54.00 | JeffM2501 | and may not understand that type of shorthand. |
| 21:54.01 | newbie8787 | neither am i |
| 21:54.07 | newbie8787 | i am Indian |
| 21:54.09 | newbie8787 | :D |
| 21:54.12 | newbie8787 | gotcha |
| 21:54.28 | JeffM2501 | [dmp], it is, I've only hever heard it spoken :) |
| 21:55.04 | newbie8787 | sorry , didnt get you |
| 21:55.36 | Epyon | 1v1 nr fa, kk gz? |
| 21:55.57 | [dmp] | Its quite nice - I'm moving all my personal files to (g)it |
| 21:56.13 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:56.13 | newbie8787 | yay go Epyon |
| 21:56.15 | jorgenpt | You git. |
| 21:59.28 | spldart | brb |
| 21:59.49 | JeffM2501 | yay, paypal billing works :) |
| 22:00.20 | Winny | is it only paypal? |
| 22:00.57 | Winny | JeffM2501: red.. any better? http://bzfusion.net/bzflag/shirts/redtankshirt.jpg |
| 22:00.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah we will only do paypal |
| 22:01.03 | JeffM2501 | it's a lot simpler that way |
| 22:01.09 | JeffM2501 | now to get shiping to work :) |
| 22:01.20 | JeffM2501 | Winny, that is better |
| 22:01.34 | JeffM2501 | from a color perspective |
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| 22:03.25 | newbie8787 | jeff , i am trying to run BZ on my Xp comp ,the menu is really slow(and i have a decent computer), is that to be expected? |
| 22:03.37 | Winny | Get some drivers |
| 22:03.45 | Constitution | or set quality->high |
| 22:04.03 | Winny | newbie8787: what video card? |
| 22:04.10 | newbie8787 | ATi |
| 22:04.29 | Winny | ...what model |
| 22:04.35 | Constitution | JeffM2501: our 2.0.10 OS X unibin works on 10.3, fyi |
| 22:04.52 | newbie8787 | xpress 200 i think , but it performs good i have ran some pretty heavy games using it |
| 22:05.00 | Winny | hmm |
| 22:05.04 | Constitution | set your graphics quality to high |
| 22:05.19 | Constitution | low and medium don't work well on some cards for some reason |
| 22:05.49 | newbie8787 | ok |
| 22:06.09 | newbie8787 | what do you think Winny? |
| 22:06.35 | Constitution | newbie8787: did you try it? |
| 22:06.45 | newbie8787 | am ... |
| 22:06.53 | newbie8787 | be back in 2 |
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| 22:08.56 | JeffM2501 | Constitution, does it? |
| 22:09.03 | Constitution | indeed |
| 22:09.05 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 22:09.26 | JeffM2501 | newbie8787, is it a laptop? |
| 22:10.28 | Winny | it gets the Jeff Myers stamp of approval? |
| 22:10.32 | JeffM2501 | it does |
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| 22:11.00 | JeffM2501 | I just did a sample order, and it has all tools to handle the packing list, invoice, etc.. |
| 22:11.18 | JeffM2501 | and it mailed me back on each step update, did the paypal, everything |
| 22:12.06 | JeffM2501 | the site know I had paid it, and then showed the order, and everything |
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| 22:13.59 | Winny | oi |
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| 22:16.01 | newbie8787 | jeff : no it isnt a laptop |
| 22:16.20 | JeffM2501 | newbie8787, where did you get your drivers? |
| 22:16.27 | JeffM2501 | from ATI? or windows update? |
| 22:16.51 | newbie8787 | came bundled when i bought my computer |
| 22:17.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah so crap driver |
| 22:17.12 | JeffM2501 | ATI.com |
| 22:17.15 | JeffM2501 | get the current drivers |
| 22:17.18 | newbie8787 | ok |
| 22:17.53 | JeffM2501 | drivers that ship with hardware always old |
| 22:18.18 | newbie8787 | you havent heard the bad news yet ... :D |
| 22:18.27 | newbie8787 | the card is Onboard :D |
| 22:18.29 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 22:18.38 | JeffM2501 | all the x200's are |
| 22:18.44 | Winny | the driver is just softwrare |
| 22:18.45 | JeffM2501 | I knew that when you said the name |
| 22:18.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:18.50 | Winny | just download and install |
| 22:18.58 | newbie8787 | for some reason people hate onboards |
| 22:19.02 | JeffM2501 | get the current chipset drivers and the current video drivers from ATI |
| 22:19.11 | JeffM2501 | oh it's a slow chip |
| 22:19.14 | JeffM2501 | because it's onboard |
| 22:19.17 | JeffM2501 | it won't do well |
| 22:19.25 | newbie8787 | see |
| 22:19.31 | JeffM2501 | but that dosn't mean that there arn't drivers for it |
| 22:19.39 | JeffM2501 | there are slow video cards too |
| 22:19.41 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 22:19.50 | newbie8787 | i'm looking .. i'm looking |
| 22:20.08 | newbie8787 | and mine is one of them |
| 22:20.11 | newbie8787 | :D |
| 22:21.00 | newbie8787 | jeff : is my card too slow to properly compile and run bz |
| 22:21.21 | newbie8787 | like if i somehow get selected and i have to develop |
| 22:21.24 | JeffM2501 | the video card has nothing to do with compile |
| 22:21.28 | newbie8787 | will ti be enough |
| 22:21.31 | JeffM2501 | it will not run bz very fast |
| 22:21.33 | newbie8787 | i know it doesnt |
| 22:21.35 | JeffM2501 | but it should run it |
| 22:21.52 | JeffM2501 | it all depends on what parts you expect to develop on |
| 22:21.55 | newbie8787 | thats what i was asking |
| 22:22.00 | JeffM2501 | if you want to be a graphics guru, probalby not |
| 22:22.05 | JeffM2501 | for other stuff it may be fine |
| 22:22.14 | newbie8787 | i was mostly thinking about modularization odf code |
| 22:22.27 | newbie8787 | separating game logic and graphics |
| 22:22.29 | JeffM2501 | then the speed that it runs at won't be a big issue |
| 22:22.44 | JeffM2501 | how much programing experience do you have? |
| 22:23.35 | newbie8787 | well i have developed 2 game sin Irrlicht (games are not very good , but what the heck ...) |
| 22:23.50 | JeffM2501 | I mean general programing |
| 22:24.02 | newbie8787 | well professionally .... none |
| 22:24.22 | newbie8787 | generally , i have been coding for like 2 years now |
| 22:24.33 | newbie8787 | this and that kind of stuff |
| 22:25.16 | newbie8787 | i have come to the conclusion though that working on a project with a timeline yeilds much more experience |
| 22:25.29 | newbie8787 | than haphazard reading and coding |
| 22:25.44 | newbie8787 | thats basically why i wanna participate |
| 22:27.40 | newbie8787 | jeff : no comments? |
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| 22:33.15 | Epyon | newbie8787, what do you expect - praises, "you suck" or a kick? :P |
| 22:34.46 | newbie8787 | Epyoon : i relly dont know , hence the nick |
| 22:34.49 | newbie8787 | newbie |
| 22:35.00 | Epyon | If the last one, then you'll have to wait for JeffM2501 to execute it - I'm no op here. If the second one, I may deliver it. If the first one then you'd have to show us more :) |
| 22:36.28 | newbie8787 | well i'll upload the the first ever game i made and will give u the link , its pretty lame actually , just a dumb soccer simulation with some wind flowing around |
| 22:36.54 | newbie8787 | kind of a soccer free kick , without the goalkeeper |
| 22:37.05 | Epyon | Screenshots maybe |
| 22:37.13 | newbie8787 | one sec |
| 22:39.27 | newbie8787 | there ya go Epyon |
| 22:39.42 | Epyon | No DCC - security issues -_- |
| 22:40.10 | newbie8787 | pic hosting? |
| 22:40.24 | newbie8787 | its a real hassle |
| 22:41.03 | newbie8787 | what kind of security issues? |
| 22:43.52 | brlcad | newbie8787: you're seriously going to have to be a bit more patient when it comes to interacting (and by patient, I mean present and quiet) |
| 22:43.55 | Epyon | Hmm, I think I found a bug in 2.0.10 |
| 22:44.22 | Epyon | brlcad, is the lack of "f" key support on the server list a known bug? |
| 22:44.39 | brlcad | Epyon: hm, not that I'm aware of -- is it listed in BUGS? |
| 22:44.44 | Epyon | "f" toggles to favourites view and doesn't get types in the filter :/ |
| 22:44.55 | Winny | mm, food |
| 22:45.17 | Epyon | I tried looking for it in the bugtracker, but sf's bugtracker is really hard to search through -_- |
| 22:45.20 | Constitution | should be 'f' on, 'esc' off iirc |
| 22:45.40 | newbie8787 | brlcad : sorry , but am just not used to waiting around , people mostly tend to either reply instantaeneously or not at all |
| 22:45.45 | Constitution | although I guess it says 'f' is the toggle |
| 22:46.09 | brlcad | newbie8787: you'll have to get used to it if you intend to hang around ;) |
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| 22:46.25 | brlcad | some responses will come hours (or even days) later |
| 22:46.38 | Epyon | Constitution, well in the current situation you can't enter a filter wit5h "f" in it at all :) |
| 22:46.40 | newbie8787 | brlcad : i have gotten used to a lot of things here (i hope that wasnt a thereat) |
| 22:47.14 | brlcad | not a threat, just how our channel (and most on irc for that matter) operates |
| 22:47.20 | newbie8787 | http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10je5.jpg there ya go Epyon |
| 22:47.35 | newbie8787 | ok , i will try |
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| 22:47.37 | brlcad | otherwise it gets really annoying really fast |
| 22:48.05 | newbie8787 | you dont realize the problem, i am in a different time zone |
| 22:48.11 | newbie8787 | and its 4 am here |
| 22:48.17 | newbie8787 | so i am kinda sleepy |
| 22:48.18 | brlcad | so? |
| 22:48.36 | newbie8787 | and when one is sleepy, he tends to forget patience |
| 22:48.48 | Winny | dude 4am? go to bed |
| 22:48.54 | Winny | You've almost beaten Constitution's record |
| 22:48.56 | brlcad | maybe you do, the point still stands -- it's how the channel operates |
| 22:49.12 | newbie8787 | point has been made |
| 22:49.20 | Constitution | Winny: neva |
| 22:50.03 | newbie8787 | but i will ask Epyon once more , did u see the screenshot? |
| 22:50.53 | newbie8787 | i have to be up so late , coz i want to find out how to work on bz and most of the developers are asleep when it is day here |
| 22:51.36 | brlcad | actually, had you gone to be around 10pm and woken up at 6 am, it'd be prime time for talking to several of the devs :) |
| 22:52.00 | brlcad | at least those in the US |
| 22:52.12 | newbie8787 | i know |
| 22:52.21 | newbie8787 | but i am not in the US |
| 22:52.36 | brlcad | eh, that was the point |
| 22:52.49 | Erroneous | what brlcad is saying is that in about 2 hours we'll be quite active |
| 22:52.58 | brlcad | you really should probably go to bed, not making a good impression of deductive/reasoning skills there |
| 22:53.05 | newbie8787 | ok ... thats my cue |
| 22:53.06 | JeffM2501 | huh what? I was working/talking to Erroneous |
| 22:53.22 | newbie8787 | yeah i got that much |
| 22:53.27 | newbie8787 | am sleepy |
| 22:53.42 | newbie8787 | too sleepy to be working , good day to you all |
| 22:53.50 | Winny | night |
| 22:53.58 | Winny | err, morning perhaps |
| 22:54.09 | newbie8787 | yup thats more like it |
| 22:54.10 | newbie8787 | bbye |
| 22:56.08 | Epyon | D: |
| 22:56.14 | Winny | Epyon: want some textures? |
| 22:56.28 | Epyon | Winny, joke noted :P |
| 22:56.35 | Winny | :P |
| 22:57.46 | Epyon | brlcad, how do you judge of anything mapgen related having any chance in this years GSoC? |
| 22:58.45 | brlcad | Epyon: really really hard to say, there is more work that is needed for integrating it cleanly so that's a big plus |
| 23:00.19 | brlcad | it depends on the overall scope of applications received, and the quality of any follow-on proposal |
| 23:00.40 | Epyon | brlcad, actually I was thinking of something like pluginizing bzwgen, while adding several more options to it. But judging by bzwgens popularity of bzwgen I don't stake the chanes high :/ |
| 23:01.17 | Epyon | s/bzwgens popularity/popularity/ |
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| 23:01.59 | Epyon | There were a *lot* of things I wanted to do with bzwgen that I didn't have the time for :( |
| 23:03.20 | brlcad | the lack of popularity has more to do with the state of build system integration, documentation, and marketing/tutorials |
| 23:03.32 | brlcad | than it does with the tool itself |
| 23:03.45 | Constitution | I don't think that many people realize its potential... most regard it as a "city map generator," I'm guessing |
| 23:04.03 | brlcad | the common user, even common server operator, don't know what to do with it |
| 23:05.01 | brlcad | that was why at the beginning of the design phase last summer, it was emphasized over and over that it needs to either be directly integrated with bzfs or exist as a plugin ;) |
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| 23:05.31 | Epyon | *sigh* I guess I should have polished it up before and gain some popularity for it to increase my followup application chances :/ |
| 23:05.56 | brlcad | was hoping you would |
| 23:06.14 | brlcad | i think the server ops would love to have it as a feature they could just turn on |
| 23:06.23 | Epyon | brlcad, so was I, but phd studies hit me for full damage :) |
| 23:06.50 | Epyon | the first semester I was completely overwhelmed by running my first course (3ds max) |
| 23:08.22 | Epyon | But I guess I will write my "BZWGen pluginization and expansion" application anyway, for completeness sake |
| 23:08.39 | brlcad | you should |
| 23:10.44 | Erroneous | Epyon: there are still a few months before student applications start too. as far as pluginization, I had some plans for that for 3.0 that would make it pretty trivial. |
| 23:11.29 | Epyon | Erroneous, 3.0? So is it ANOTHER thing that is blocked for now, like with the graphics engine implementation? D: |
| 23:11.37 | Erroneous | 3.0 should be Real Soon Now |
| 23:11.54 | Erroneous | graphics engine is likely post-3.0 |
| 23:12.13 | Erroneous | the map stuff I had in mind is pre-3.0 (i.e. current development) |
| 23:12.40 | Erroneous | in other words, something I could check in now, if I had it written |
| 23:12.52 | Epyon | Hmm |
| 23:13.11 | Epyon | So what would you suggest? Go ahead and add it to my application? |
| 23:13.35 | Epyon | Or let someone else do it? |
| 23:16.14 | Constitution | or start working on it now ;) |
| 23:17.54 | Constitution | getting new developers to be involved beyond GSoC is one of the big reasons why we do it |
| 23:19.14 | Epyon | I'd love to if I had time :P |
| 23:23.28 | Winny | I wonder whose on leno tonight |
| 23:23.41 | Constitution | just saying, having a developer openly say that he won't be able to contribute at all before or after the program probably isn't a big plus ;) |
| 23:24.09 | Constitution | as far as getting the mentors interested in your project |
| 23:24.39 | Winny | Maybe he will pay people in China to code for him? |
| 23:27.33 | Constitution | although I'm obviously not one to speak on behalf of the mentors |
| 23:27.55 | L4m3r | yeah, you student bum |
| 23:27.58 | L4m3r | j/k :P |
| 23:28.12 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, you applying to any projects this year? |
| 23:28.19 | L4m3r | nope |
| 23:28.53 | L4m3r | hey now, I could be a mentor if I had the time :P |
| 23:29.01 | JeffM2501 | Constitution, I hate to say this, but I've meet both of you. you guys look the same ;) |
| 23:29.10 | Winny | ouch |
| 23:29.13 | Constitution | heh, really now |
| 23:29.16 | L4m3r | I'll say |
| 23:29.26 | Constitution | I think I'm a year younger :) |
| 23:29.31 | Winny | I'm not sure which one that insults more |
| 23:29.41 | L4m3r | probably Constitution |
| 23:29.52 | Winny | But at least you have a gf ;p |
| 23:29.58 | L4m3r | but I was a lot thinner last time I saw Jeff |
| 23:29.59 | JeffM2501 | Constitution, like I said, the same ;) |
| 23:30.00 | L4m3r | :P |
| 23:30.03 | JeffM2501 | Constitution, IIRC you are taller |
| 23:30.28 | Epyon | O.o |
| 23:30.38 | Winny | JeffM2501, next time you should take mugshots |
| 23:30.40 | spldart | To much McDonalds FTW? |
| 23:30.51 | JeffM2501 | Winny, we have pictures of L4m3r somewhere |
| 23:30.57 | L4m3r | I'm not exactly short |
| 23:31.06 | JeffM2501 | I do not own a camera to take a picture of Constitution |
| 23:31.12 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, no, but he's prety freaking tall |
| 23:31.12 | L4m3r | and those pics are ancient and barely recognizeable |
| 23:31.18 | L4m3r | :P |
| 23:31.19 | Winny | god knows how old these are http://pics.bzleague.com/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=0 |
| 23:31.22 | JeffM2501 | I thnk you are just a bit taller then me |
| 23:31.22 | Epyon | Speaking of which, I need a b33r. -_- |
| 23:31.56 | spldart | mmmMMMMmmm b33r |
| 23:33.49 | L4m3r | I'll have to find a way to sneak chillin away from her parents so she can come to the siggraph meeting this year :P |
| 23:35.02 | L4m3r | she wouldn't make it easy for him |
| 23:35.07 | Winny | -_- |
| 23:35.29 | JeffM2501 | I hear she bites |
| 23:35.37 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 23:35.54 | L4m3r | she did kick me in the shin the other day... |
| 23:36.02 | Winny | awww... :P |
| 23:42.12 | Winny | oooh, drupal has a gallery2 plugin |
| 23:42.13 | Winny | yay |
| 23:44.56 | Winny | She's a.. honky tony woman! (I'm just singing, not related to chillin in any way) |
| 23:44.58 | Winny | :p |
| 23:47.35 | *** join/#bzflag Havox (n=415caac2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-d0a9dcfbdb139155) |
| 23:47.56 | Havox | hey everyone...its me Havoc! |
| 23:48.12 | Winny | I couldn't have possibly guessed |
| 23:48.25 | Havox | lol |
| 23:48.33 | Havox | no one remembers me..? |
| 23:50.09 | blast007 | not really |
| 23:50.16 | blast007 | what can we do for you? |
| 23:51.22 | Erroneous | Epyon: you are welcome to apply with whatever you think can be improved. just be aware that if integration is part of it, it shouldn't be a big part because it shouldn't take more than a day or so at most once the extra hooks are in bzfs |
| 23:51.53 | Erroneous | I'm sure there's lots of other stuff that can be improved in bzwgen |
| 23:52.23 | Erroneous | there is a general impression running around that it's just a city generator. it'd be neat to be able to blow that away :) |
| 23:53.10 | andresj | why can't I play in bzflagr.net:5154? I am able to connect, but the player list never appears, can't chat or see messages, can't spawn... |
| 23:53.21 | andresj | don't see any ban message either... |
| 23:53.22 | Winny | you |
| 23:53.24 | Winny | err |
| 23:53.30 | Winny | you're caught in a range ban |
| 23:53.30 | blast007 | andresj: what kind of connection are you on? |
| 23:53.32 | Winny | one sec |
| 23:53.35 | blast007 | ah, okay |
| 23:53.37 | Winny | what's your in game name? |
| 23:53.40 | andresj | blast007: what do you mean? |
| 23:53.44 | blast007 | nvm |
| 23:53.46 | andresj | andresj |
| 23:54.01 | andresj | I got a fast connection, Comcast |
| 23:54.10 | Winny | try now |
| 23:54.14 | Constitution | heh, NightMare's range I think... I had to whitelist him on Divibox too |
| 23:54.19 | Winny | blast007: he's in *.ca.comcast.net |
| 23:54.21 | Winny | coogle |
| 23:54.24 | Constitution | ah |
| 23:54.32 | andresj | I can connect now |
| 23:54.37 | andresj | :) |
| 23:54.44 | Winny | :) |
| 23:54.49 | andresj | oh i see... |
| 23:54.52 | Winny | don't do anything stupid |
| 23:55.00 | andresj | banning *.ca.comcast.net is lots of people... |
| 23:55.02 | Winny | cause no one can ban you :P |
| 23:55.13 | andresj | :D |
| 23:55.14 | Constitution | andresj: not really |
| 23:55.23 | andresj | Constitution: what do you mean? |
| 23:55.42 | Erroneous | erm, yeah, it is a lot of people |
| 23:55.47 | Constitution | not as far as bzflag players... I've only had to whitelist 2 or 3 |
| 23:55.47 | Winny | andresj: you're the only one who has ever complained |
| 23:55.57 | Constitution | although Winny runs a much more popular server |
| 23:56.10 | andresj | mm... I see... well it was 6 months until I did anything about it |
| 23:56.14 | andresj | probably more |
| 23:56.22 | Erroneous | Constitution: so 3, out of how many unique visitors you get per week? |
| 23:56.33 | Winny | 4 |
| 23:56.34 | Winny | :P |
| 23:56.41 | Constitution | lol |
| 23:57.00 | Erroneous | and how many anonymous users who haven't bothered complaining, too |
| 23:57.00 | Epyon | Erroneous, less time with integration = more time for other stuff :P. Personally I can't imagine a situation like it's 1 month, but I already done all I wrote I would do so bye bye. |
| 23:57.06 | Constitution | don't really keep track... I'm guessing 50-80 |
| 23:57.18 | Epyon | There's ALWAYS something to improve :) |
| 23:57.54 | Erroneous | Epyon: yeah, exactly, there's plenty of other stuff to do with it :) my point was just that you shouldn't rely on integration stuff in your application, 'cause it's likely to be either already done, or so trivial it's not worth the space on the application ;) |
| 23:59.08 | Epyon | Although I'd really like to see the bzwgen plugin a part of the standard distro :/ |
| 23:59.31 | Erroneous | that's the plan |
| 23:59.39 | Erroneous | it should ship with 3.0 |
| 23:59.52 | Erroneous | which will hopefully release before soc2008 starts |
