| 00:00.55 | JBdiGriz | The client shouldn't need to do anything with the list except create the display. |
| 00:01.00 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:01.04 | JeffM | and interpolate them |
| 00:01.14 | JeffM | that's the cool thing about it |
| 00:01.23 | JeffM | for now it'll colide with them |
| 00:01.34 | JeffM | and just yell back to the server that it hit this shot ID, what whould it do |
| 00:01.50 | JeffM | then the server will kill, drop, or transfer flags, etc.. |
| 00:01.51 | Constitution | won't the server determine that itself? |
| 00:01.54 | JBdiGriz | What will it collid with? |
| 00:01.56 | JeffM | eventualy |
| 00:02.11 | JeffM | just it's own tank |
| 00:02.14 | JeffM | hit tests |
| 00:02.39 | JBdiGriz | That should all move to the server, and the sooner the better. |
| 00:02.45 | JeffM | yes it should |
| 00:02.48 | JeffM | this is the first step |
| 00:02.53 | JeffM | once I get this working |
| 00:03.02 | JeffM | then I have the server interpolate it's shot list |
| 00:03.05 | JeffM | and compute the kills |
| 00:03.15 | JeffM | then we can do testing and compare server and client hits |
| 00:03.19 | JeffM | to see how it works out |
| 00:03.33 | JeffM | and once server is accurate enough, we just start ignoring client hits |
| 00:03.52 | JBdiGriz | It will be different, due to the effect of lag, but it won't be better/worse. |
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| 00:04.04 | JeffM | well we are doing lag compensations now, so it should not be too bad |
| 00:04.15 | spldart | Ah! |
| 00:04.19 | JeffM | it'll be nice to have some metrics on it to know what to expect |
| 00:04.41 | JeffM | I also want to do it in smaller steps so that if we have a problem, we can better figure out where it is |
| 00:05.30 | JBdiGriz | I always prefer the smaller steps. I was looking at the gsoc page, and we should break all of those projects into smaller steps so that we can accomplish some part of them over the summer. |
| 00:05.35 | spldart | Oh.. nothing to test.. still brokeded |
| 00:05.36 | JeffM | indeed |
| 00:05.59 | JBdiGriz | What's brokeded? |
| 00:05.59 | JeffM | the inital benifits of doing this right now, is that it becomes a lot harder to fake out a shot, or a hit, or theif steal, etc.. |
| 00:06.37 | spldart | client build linux... I'm confirming with rebuild now.. will repost pastebin when build completes |
| 00:06.47 | JeffM | it's going to be a decently big change to just get the shots out of the client :) |
| 00:07.04 | JeffM | spldart, did you do a new autogen, etc..? |
| 00:07.23 | spldart | new autogen.. after svn up each time? |
| 00:07.29 | JeffM | not each time |
| 00:07.33 | JeffM | you need to do one this time |
| 00:07.39 | spldart | OH!.. Okies |
| 00:07.50 | JeffM | if svn up tells you that one of the .am, or .ac files have changed, you rerun autogen |
| 00:08.01 | JeffM | cus that means the build system changes |
| 00:08.06 | JeffM | and this time the build system changed. |
| 00:09.18 | spldart | ok.. am did change... just one |
| 00:09.44 | spldart | I'll do the full debug build.. but config will stay no bzrobots unless you need that tested |
| 00:10.12 | spldart | But I think I heard something about needing python or some dependency to do bzrobots??? |
| 00:10.44 | KTL | python headers, minimal python, and swig |
| 00:11.00 | KTL | and then i still could not get the python running, lacked module bzrobots |
| 00:11.06 | spldart | Does anyone want me to bother building bzrobots for helping troubleshoot anything? |
| 00:11.23 | spldart | I'm in debian btw |
| 00:11.38 | KTL | and to build bzrobots i needed a small tweak to a makefile in src/date/Makefile.am |
| 00:12.16 | KTL | apt-get install python, python-dev, swig |
| 00:12.20 | JeffM | spldart, actuyaly please turn robots back on |
| 00:12.29 | JeffM | thats what the change in the AM was for |
| 00:12.29 | spldart | Ok.. |
| 00:12.44 | spldart | And get the dependencies ktl mentions? |
| 00:12.55 | JeffM | try without and see what happens:0 |
| 00:12.57 | JeffM | :) |
| 00:12.58 | spldart | Okies |
| 00:13.02 | spldart | will do |
| 00:13.07 | KTL | euhm before you build, look at the output of configure |
| 00:13.17 | spldart | will do |
| 00:13.24 | JBdiGriz | It shouldn't smoke, so you should be okay. |
| 00:13.30 | JeffM | Erroneous, you didn't mention in your post that bzRobots won't ship for windows in 3.0 ;) |
| 00:14.19 | L4m3r | :P |
| 00:14.20 | JeffM | indeed |
| 00:14.30 | Erroneous | JeffM: when I say "ship" I mean "in the source archive" ) |
| 00:14.32 | Erroneous | :) |
| 00:14.47 | Erroneous | it's up to the packager to decide what goes on each platform |
| 00:14.53 | JeffM | I have a feeling our standard users do not use the same definition |
| 00:15.12 | Erroneous | i.e. on debian I can just about guarantee bzrobots will be a separate package |
| 00:15.27 | spldart | What are you interested in outta config output? |
| 00:15.41 | KTL | at the end |
| 00:15.54 | KTL | bzrobots enabled? with or without python ... that type of things |
| 00:15.59 | spldart | BZRobots client ...: yes (without python) |
| 00:16.00 | KTL | without swig you wont have python |
| 00:16.16 | spldart | I think Jeff wanted me to try without |
| 00:16.29 | JeffM | I want you to config with robot |
| 00:16.48 | JeffM | robot should be good now |
| 00:17.17 | spldart | More specifically.. configure (without disabling bzrobots) but without loading up the python and other stuff correct? |
| 00:17.28 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:17.32 | JeffM | just run a normal config |
| 00:17.34 | spldart | doin just that now :) |
| 00:17.35 | JeffM | and see if it goes :) |
| 00:17.43 | spldart | Well.. ./configure --enable-debug |
| 00:17.45 | spldart | is that ok? |
| 00:18.06 | JeffM | ya |
| 00:18.07 | spldart | good |
| 00:18.08 | KTL | BZRobots client ...: yes (without python) <- just ./configure , while all dependencies are met to do python |
| 00:18.51 | spldart | I've never done ANYTHING with bzrobots... hehe |
| 00:19.42 | a_meteorite | don't drink and tank! |
| 00:20.18 | spldart | And I don't even have a class A liscense, registration or insurance for my tank |
| 00:20.50 | a_meteorite | naughty you |
| 00:21.08 | spldart | :) |
| 00:21.14 | L4m3r | I don't think you need tank insurance... they'd probably write it off as a total loss anyway |
| 00:21.37 | Constitution | I think it's for the liability |
| 00:21.38 | spldart | I'd like your badge number officer friendly :) |
| 00:21.47 | Constitution | #1337 |
| 00:21.50 | a_meteorite | spldart: mine is 1337 |
| 00:21.52 | spldart | LOL |
| 00:21.57 | a_meteorite | lol... |
| 00:21.59 | spldart | ~nickometer 1337 |
| 00:22.00 | L4m3r | "Blown to bits. Total loss. Driver's fault; will not pay" |
| 00:22.38 | L4m3r | wooo, they've finally charged out my order for bike parts |
| 00:22.47 | spldart | ooOOoo... make didn't fair wel |
| 00:22.54 | L4m3r | and they shipped the levers... heh |
| 00:22.55 | Constitution | fare ;) |
| 00:23.31 | spldart | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d5cffe480 |
| 00:24.18 | Winny | Disco inferno! |
| 00:24.23 | JeffM | that may be me |
| 00:24.25 | JeffM | one sec |
| 00:24.26 | spldart | No successful client |
| 00:24.51 | JeffM | let me get a clean tree |
| 00:24.59 | JBdiGriz | Why are warnings being treated as errors? |
| 00:25.00 | JeffM | I've fixed that localy alredy but I have other changes |
| 00:25.05 | JeffM | he'd building debug |
| 00:25.15 | spldart | np... I'll be here about 75% of the time for the next few hours... I'm too tired to do much else |
| 00:25.41 | JBdiGriz | So someone is getting serious about fixing warnings. I like that! |
| 00:26.00 | JeffM | I was told debug had to do that |
| 00:26.07 | spldart | I'm just glad to be involved in my own plebe way too :) |
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| 00:27.04 | JeffM | I was told it was a gcc thing |
| 00:27.15 | KTL | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m327884fa |
| 00:27.40 | JBdiGriz | It's a good idea, but we are still in charge. gcc hasn't taken over any of our projects yet. |
| 00:27.54 | JeffM | then I guess that's why they did it |
| 00:29.32 | JBdiGriz | It's explicitly requested in the gcc invocation "-Werror" |
| 00:29.42 | JeffM | k |
| 00:31.02 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16678 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.cxx: only the shadow knows. |
| 00:31.13 | spldart | hehehe |
| 00:31.17 | JeffM | spldart, there ya go |
| 00:31.40 | JBdiGriz | Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of code? |
| 00:31.50 | JeffM | I do |
| 00:31.54 | spldart | k.... make_ing |
| 00:32.34 | JeffM | KTL, what platform are you on? |
| 00:32.41 | KTL | debian |
| 00:32.42 | cl0aked | JBdiGriz, of open source code i don't know, but microsoft code contains a few demons from the inner circles of the burning hells |
| 00:32.44 | KTL | wait |
| 00:32.53 | JeffM | KTL, 32 or 64? |
| 00:32.53 | KTL | Linux 8NGEL 2.6.22-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 23:43:59 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:32.56 | KTL | 64 |
| 00:32.59 | JeffM | k |
| 00:33.18 | spldart | I'll delete my post |
| 00:33.50 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16679 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/BanCommands.cxx: some systems may not like using a size_t for a %d in a format, use an int. |
| 00:33.52 | spldart | is that deb testing? |
| 00:33.52 | JeffM | try that |
| 00:34.14 | JBdiGriz | JeffM: I'm still getting that unallocated display crash on client quit with the recent code. |
| 00:34.16 | JeffM | unless you expect to have more then 2 billion bans |
| 00:34.18 | spldart | ah |
| 00:34.22 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, where? |
| 00:34.29 | JeffM | in the cleanup method? |
| 00:34.41 | JBdiGriz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.49 | JeffM | where is that called from? |
| 00:34.53 | JeffM | do you have a full stack? |
| 00:35.01 | JBdiGriz | 1 second |
| 00:35.50 | KTL | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d7a9e3087 |
| 00:36.13 | JeffM | wtf... |
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| 00:39.30 | JeffM | KTL, yours are all 64 bit things |
| 00:39.32 | JeffM | fixing |
| 00:39.42 | spldart | Allright.. I have successful build on client... Anything on the bzrobots front you want me to check? |
| 00:39.54 | JeffM | did it build it? ;) |
| 00:41.00 | spldart | I can check... ./src/bzrobots/? |
| 00:41.07 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16680 10/trunk/bzflag/include/MXpr.h: size_t is not an unsigned int on all systems (64 bit). there is no shame in using the size_t type as a variable. |
| 00:41.18 | JeffM | did configure say it was going to build it? |
| 00:41.23 | JeffM | KTL, round 3 |
| 00:41.29 | KTL | allready running |
| 00:41.41 | spldart | configure did say yes.. without python |
| 00:41.51 | JeffM | did make have any errors? |
| 00:42.28 | spldart | hehe... I got a little green bzrobots in ./src/bzrobots/:) |
| 00:42.37 | JeffM | cool |
| 00:42.46 | KTL | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d5e2790ce |
| 00:42.46 | JeffM | that means TS and jbd fixed the issues |
| 00:42.54 | spldart | Make looks fine to me |
| 00:43.09 | JeffM | and you are on a 32 bit OS? |
| 00:43.10 | spldart | Well great! |
| 00:43.13 | spldart | Yes |
| 00:43.15 | JeffM | k |
| 00:43.20 | spldart | dual k7 debian etch |
| 00:43.28 | KTL | dual o :) |
| 00:43.38 | spldart | Old system hehe |
| 00:44.00 | spldart | This sucker is turning 4 in a bit... the processors will be turning 3 |
| 00:44.49 | spldart | Funny.. The most and least I've ever spent have been on K7's but that's cuz I'm POOOR now lol |
| 00:45.04 | spldart | brb |
| 00:46.12 | JeffM | hmm I don't think jbd has curent code, he's getting display to be null, yet there is a check in the code to not call the res swap if it is null... |
| 00:51.05 | andrecastelo | hey |
| 00:51.10 | JeffM | hello |
| 00:51.18 | andrecastelo | did you guys send the gsoc application already ? ;D |
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| 00:51.29 | JeffM | brlcad is in charge of that |
| 00:51.34 | JeffM | dunno if he has sent it in yet |
| 00:51.38 | JeffM | we have till the 12th |
| 00:51.55 | andrecastelo | great ;D |
| 00:55.53 | spldart | Ok.. client plays and exits normally too... didn't go long enough to uncover that server error message though |
| 00:56.02 | spldart | In debug |
| 00:56.10 | JeffM | I have a feeling jbd is special ;) |
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| 00:56.47 | spldart | ic |
| 00:57.03 | JeffM | basicly he has the same problem that we had a couple days ago |
| 00:57.09 | JeffM | one that should be fixed |
| 00:57.16 | JeffM | and noone else has a problem with |
| 00:57.28 | JeffM | and his call stack just can't happen in current code |
| 00:57.29 | spldart | couple days ago... the resolution change issue? |
| 00:57.35 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:57.37 | spldart | ah |
| 00:57.50 | JeffM | I don't think he's clean |
| 00:57.55 | spldart | I learned someting new on that |
| 00:57.59 | KTL | what who? |
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| 00:58.04 | JeffM | jbd |
| 00:58.05 | spldart | Don't worry :) |
| 00:58.37 | JeffM | KTL your problem is that your 64 bit |
| 00:59.33 | JeffM | she said leave your name at the sound of the tone.. the lights are out but there is somebody home, better whach out when we are all alone... |
| 01:01.25 | spldart | Do you often have a tune on the membrane? |
| 01:01.35 | JeffM | ? |
| 01:01.45 | spldart | Song running through your head? |
| 01:01.52 | JeffM | no |
| 01:01.56 | JeffM | thats what was playing |
| 01:01.56 | spldart | oh |
| 01:01.59 | spldart | OH |
| 01:05.28 | TD-Linux | ew |
| 01:05.35 | TD-Linux | why does head compile with -mtune=i686? |
| 01:06.27 | TD-Linux | that makes no sense, it should probably be left off or to pentium 3 |
| 01:06.27 | JeffM | should it not detect at configure time? |
| 01:06.34 | TD-Linux | that would be better |
| 01:06.35 | JeffM | what is a 686 anyway? |
| 01:06.42 | TD-Linux | pentium 2 |
| 01:06.51 | JeffM | well thats better then pentium 1 ;) |
| 01:06.53 | KTL | ow pain |
| 01:06.58 | spldart | hehe 586 |
| 01:07.11 | TD-Linux | I think someone wanted -march=i686, not -mtune ;) |
| 01:07.50 | JeffM | janie's got a gun.. whole world's come undone. |
| 01:07.54 | TD-Linux | gcc 4.2 has a -mtune=native, but most distros don't have gcc 4.2 yet :( |
| 01:09.53 | spldart | BTW... Does BZFS for 3.0? look like it's gonna place any significant increase in demand on cpu of host machine? |
| 01:10.05 | spldart | It doesn't sound like it will |
| 01:10.07 | JeffM | probably not |
| 01:10.18 | JeffM | experimental will draw more faces |
| 01:10.23 | JeffM | ahh bzfs |
| 01:10.23 | spldart | Since game state is staying client side |
| 01:10.25 | JeffM | sorry |
| 01:10.31 | JeffM | it will use a smidge more |
| 01:10.37 | JeffM | but I doubt you'll be able to measure it |
| 01:10.38 | spldart | thought so |
| 01:10.42 | spldart | Okies |
| 01:11.15 | JeffM | how much CPU does it use now? |
| 01:11.18 | spldart | Just wish I had a touch more cpu for the big torrents |
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| 01:11.55 | JeffM | I want to make you .. take me, on your mighty wings.. make you take me, on your mighty wings across the sky! |
| 01:11.57 | spldart | Nothing much on a P 200 mmx.. but big torrents plus apache means occasional lag surge because of cpu load... |
| 01:12.09 | JeffM | do you have numbers for the current server? |
| 01:12.14 | JeffM | are you under 10%? |
| 01:12.15 | spldart | No |
| 01:12.20 | spldart | probably |
| 01:12.36 | JeffM | so we could make the server take up 9 times more CPU before you have a problem ;) |
| 01:12.44 | spldart | @ or under 8 players iirc |
| 01:13.00 | JeffM | the stuff we are doing server side isn't much |
| 01:13.08 | JeffM | the big CPU hits are spawns |
| 01:13.09 | spldart | Like I said... It's the torrents that can eat cpu before they eat enough bandwidth |
| 01:13.21 | spldart | when it does error checking |
| 01:13.26 | JeffM | run bzrobots |
| 01:13.29 | spldart | but that's not bzfs fault |
| 01:13.31 | JeffM | see how much CPU that takes |
| 01:13.33 | spldart | NO@! lol |
| 01:13.48 | JeffM | that is the max that we could make BZFS reasonaby take |
| 01:14.05 | JeffM | I bet its didly over squad |
| 01:14.08 | JeffM | squat |
| 01:14.08 | spldart | I imagine that bzrobots eats a bit more :) |
| 01:14.16 | JeffM | I would doubt it |
| 01:14.16 | KTL | i havent been able to run bzrobots properly |
| 01:14.21 | spldart | really? |
| 01:14.29 | JeffM | the majority of what a client does, is drawing |
| 01:14.34 | brlcad | already started working on the proposal |
| 01:14.38 | spldart | I've not tinkered with .. well I said that already |
| 01:14.39 | brlcad | but it's going to take several hours |
| 01:14.42 | JeffM | moving a tank along a vector is nothing |
| 01:14.48 | JeffM | brlcad, we have till the 12th |
| 01:14.51 | brlcad | last time it took the better part of a whole day to prepare it |
| 01:14.55 | spldart | Ah... yeah.. makes sense |
| 01:15.12 | brlcad | this time, a fair bit less simply because I can reuse a lot of response, but it'll still be several hours |
| 01:15.20 | brlcad | and has to be proofed etc etc |
| 01:15.30 | JeffM | I would dare say that in software more math is done drawing a single triangle then updating the state for a game. |
| 01:15.59 | spldart | wow |
| 01:16.10 | JeffM | filling triangles is no joke ;) |
| 01:16.24 | JeffM | moving a tank.. oooo 3 multiples and 3 adds ;) |
| 01:16.25 | spldart | Gives yah more respect for a game with lots of complicated 3d objects... LouMan really heats my cpu's |
| 01:17.07 | JeffM | you have to do more then 3 multipies and adds just to transform a triangle ;) |
| 01:17.18 | JeffM | then a lot more to walk it in pixel space |
| 01:17.59 | spldart | Making any 3d engine a more impressive piece of work than I prolly gave them credit |
| 01:18.24 | JeffM | naw, it's all done by GL and the card now |
| 01:18.40 | JeffM | that's why I said in software |
| 01:18.43 | KTL | 12th a deadline? |
| 01:18.55 | JeffM | 12 is the deadline for mentoring orgs to apply by |
| 01:19.01 | spldart | woah... not much more than a week |
| 01:19.34 | JeffM | if an org can't fill out a form in 9 days..... |
| 01:19.57 | spldart | That's... so... loaded |
| 01:20.22 | JeffM | well that means they have bigger problems then being able to say "yes I want to be a part of SoC" ;) |
| 01:20.32 | spldart | w0rd |
| 01:20.36 | JeffM | I don't even think we have to have our mentors setup yet |
| 01:21.18 | brlcad | just don't cross their fingers |
| 01:21.21 | brlcad | they need them to code |
| 01:21.24 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:21.33 | andrecastelo | lol |
| 01:21.37 | spldart | ok... I'll cross my toes for them via proxy |
| 01:21.51 | andrecastelo | brlcad: will you send a proposal for the BRL-Cad ? |
| 01:21.57 | spldart | if ceterus parabus.. sp |
| 01:22.10 | TD-Linux | Elapsed compilation time: 10 minutes, 2 seconds |
| 01:22.53 | Winny | wow IE 7.. what the heck |
| 01:23.03 | spldart | I like the compile timer :) |
| 01:23.12 | TD-Linux | me too |
| 01:23.13 | TD-Linux | oh oh |
| 01:23.16 | TD-Linux | it segfaults :( |
| 01:23.22 | spldart | :( |
| 01:23.25 | TD-Linux | it comes up and does performance test |
| 01:23.29 | TD-Linux | goes low quality |
| 01:23.32 | TD-Linux | then low quality with texture |
| 01:23.33 | TD-Linux | then dies |
| 01:23.54 | spldart | 7:24 here... in debug |
| 01:24.12 | TD-Linux | now it says no fonts found :( |
| 01:25.01 | TD-Linux | doesn't help :( |
| 01:25.27 | JeffM | did you make install? |
| 01:25.29 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 01:25.39 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 01:25.44 | JeffM | did you have an old verson installed too? |
| 01:25.47 | TD-Linux | appears I did it over the top of 2.0 |
| 01:25.51 | spldart | ah |
| 01:25.53 | TD-Linux | I changed the executable prefix |
| 01:25.57 | JeffM | that could have problems. |
| 01:26.05 | TD-Linux | but looks like the data is overwritten |
| 01:26.12 | JeffM | 3.0's data dir looks very difrent from 2.0s |
| 01:26.20 | JeffM | specialy in the fonts area |
| 01:26.22 | TD-Linux | I'll give it its own special data dir |
| 01:26.28 | JeffM | TTF FTW |
| 01:27.05 | TD-Linux | can I just switch the /usr/share/bzflag? or are there more directories that I need to fix? |
| 01:27.24 | JeffM | everythign we have is in the data dir |
| 01:27.26 | JeffM | nothing else |
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| 01:28.16 | TD-Linux | --datadir=/usr/share/bzflag3/ |
| 01:28.18 | TD-Linux | should do it then |
| 01:28.22 | TD-Linux | for configure |
| 01:29.22 | TD-Linux | now it forces another 10 minute compile yay |
| 01:29.35 | spldart | :( |
| 01:29.45 | JeffM | hmm on windows all I do is hit F5 |
| 01:32.23 | spldart | Been a long while since I've used IE |
| 01:32.25 | Winny | it randomly chooses to render stuff outside a div.. whee! |
| 01:35.01 | spldart | OOp... sry... I have an IE running on debian on my work rig.... for compatibility issues with some manufacturers websites |
| 01:35.12 | spldart | I think... my beer.. is kicking in |
| 01:35.35 | Erroneous | was that...william shatner's...problem? |
| 01:35.48 | spldart | Yes.... spock! |
| 01:36.24 | hwilde | now that's funny |
| 01:36.55 | spldart | I'm dead Jim! :-( |
| 01:37.09 | JeffM | who wants to be a mentor in SoC? |
| 01:37.32 | hwilde | are there going to be hot college girls there? |
| 01:37.47 | Erroneous | hwilde: could be! |
| 01:38.13 | spldart | Just like electronics techs and engineers.. coding girls are rare |
| 01:38.25 | Erroneous | but not unheard of |
| 01:38.28 | spldart | No |
| 01:38.34 | spldart | just rare |
| 01:38.35 | hwilde | maybe the coding guys are blind |
| 01:38.41 | spldart | No |
| 01:38.47 | Erroneous | they do tend to gravitate more towards drupal and the likes though, and not so much towards the tank games ;) |
| 01:38.48 | spldart | They aren't |
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| 01:38.49 | hwilde | somebody's gotta be making all these pretty font colors |
| 01:38.56 | hwilde | like SportChick |
| 01:39.11 | spldart | Just... rare... Bones |
| 01:39.33 | spldart | must... resist... double pun |
| 01:39.43 | hwilde | easy on the dot key |
| 01:39.48 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:40.15 | spldart | Sry... <--- Jeff was speaking of SoC... |
| 01:40.26 | hwilde | you just morse coded SOS |
| 01:40.34 | hwilde | what are you trying to tell us |
| 01:40.42 | spldart | I know morse... now back on topic pweese |
| 01:40.46 | Erroneous | "stand back"? ;) |
| 01:40.50 | Ride- | hey spldary |
| 01:40.56 | Ride- | *spldart |
| 01:40.58 | JeffM | bryjen, you want to be a mentor? |
| 01:41.00 | JeffM | you'd kick butt |
| 01:41.24 | hwilde | I just kicked bryjen's but in badgerking :) |
| 01:41.39 | brlcad | ~bryjen++ |
| 01:41.43 | KTL | then he was probably not interested in kicking back :P |
| 01:41.45 | hwilde | then I had to sign off real quick before he caught up to my score lol |
| 01:41.57 | hwilde | I F12'ed right as he tied the battle |
| 01:42.10 | KTL | okay what's your nick in game? :D |
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| 01:42.34 | KTL | i wont be playing the coming months but i'll remember |
| 01:42.40 | hwilde | nick is hw* |
| 01:42.47 | hwilde | or any combination matching that regex |
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| 01:42.57 | KTL | okay sounds familiar |
| 01:43.02 | hwilde | what is yours ? |
| 01:43.05 | JeffM | spldart, want to be a backup/helper mentor? |
| 01:43.22 | KTL | clash for some time, lately simply evil |
| 01:43.29 | hwilde | simply evil lol |
| 01:43.33 | hwilde | I kill you so bad |
| 01:43.39 | KTL | when???? |
| 01:43.44 | hwilde | right now bring it foo |
| 01:43.46 | spldart | woah. I am not anywhere near knowledgeable enough... And my sp stinks :) |
| 01:43.51 | spldart | I'm quite flattered though |
| 01:43.55 | KTL | i wont reinstall the client now :) |
| 01:44.04 | hwilde | cold turkey huh |
| 01:44.04 | JeffM | spldart, you know enough to help a student get in the right direction |
| 01:44.21 | JeffM | or to get them to talk to the right person |
| 01:44.27 | JeffM | and you'll try to compile anything ;) |
| 01:44.29 | spldart | Really? But the root of this program is code |
| 01:44.30 | hwilde | is it better to be able to spell according to britain's rules, or to be able to interpret and understand people regardless of their expression format? |
| 01:44.34 | Erroneous | you're knowlegeable enough about the game to keep them on track, and you know the devs well enough to point the right way :) |
| 01:44.44 | JeffM | spldart, I'm not saying to asign a student to you, but to help out |
| 01:45.09 | KTL | hihi |
| 01:45.57 | spldart | I understand... I have no problem helping. If you think I know enough, and someone wouldn't mind having me assist then I guess I'll agree. So long as the requisites will fit what you have seen of me over the last few months and periodically seen of me over the last few years |
| 01:46.43 | hwilde | you can probably mentor is design and coding practices |
| 01:46.47 | hwilde | no spelling required |
| 01:46.53 | spldart | My gnu make is yours |
| 01:46.57 | spldart | lol |
| 01:46.57 | JeffM | spldart, you are here enough, and the importnat thing is you are a good representive of a player/server owner |
| 01:46.58 | hwilde | them kids better be able to code |
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| 01:47.03 | hwilde | what they need is how to think |
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| 01:47.17 | Ride- | nhello hobbsc |
| 01:47.18 | JeffM | also if they can't explain the app to you, then it ain't good enough for our users ;) |
| 01:47.28 | Mike___ | someone help me |
| 01:47.36 | hwilde | !help |
| 01:47.40 | JeffM | Mike___, with? |
| 01:47.48 | hwilde | no bot here? |
| 01:48.03 | Mike___ | jeff |
| 01:48.04 | JeffM | hwilde, just on anther character |
| 01:48.06 | JeffM | Mike |
| 01:48.13 | Mike___ | will the coppa peole kill u |
| 01:48.18 | JeffM | what? |
| 01:48.18 | spldart | I think I understand what your asking. My answer is yes as long as the mentor you try to have me assist is also nice and confortable with what they have seen of me. |
| 01:48.19 | AHA | ROFL |
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| 01:48.31 | Mike___ | jeffm |
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| 01:48.43 | JeffM | Mike___, ? you have to type something understandable |
| 01:48.54 | JeffM | spldart, if you have a google account, /msg it to me |
| 01:49.02 | Erroneous | please phrase your question clearly, completely, and concisely |
| 01:49.18 | Mike___ | jeff do the coppa people kill u |
| 01:49.22 | JeffM | kill me? |
| 01:49.26 | JeffM | what do you mean? |
| 01:49.41 | spldart | I do not have a google account |
| 01:49.41 | JeffM | the people that run the COPPA, the FTC? or the children who lie to us? |
| 01:49.52 | spldart | My wife said she could send me an invite for one |
| 01:50.06 | hwilde | spldart, you don't need an invite anymore but I got some if you really want to feel included |
| 01:50.11 | JeffM | pff I can send you an invite |
| 01:50.19 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:50.20 | AHA | Mike___, they do kill you. You better watch out, they are coming for you right now! |
| 01:50.21 | Erroneous | yeah, plenty of people have invites left |
| 01:50.27 | Mike___ | yea i signed up on the bo0m fourms and the people on gu# said the coppa people would kill me |
| 01:50.36 | brlcad | spldart: just so long as you don't mentor as short_circuit so I don't think you're some teenager again ;) |
| 01:50.44 | JeffM | Mike___, how old are you? |
| 01:50.47 | Mike___ | jeff is that true |
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| 01:50.54 | Mike___ | im peter4B |
| 01:50.54 | AHA | JeffM, he says he is 11 |
| 01:50.59 | hwilde | I only have 98 invites left lol I can't spare one for you |
| 01:51.14 | JeffM | Mike___, it is up to each system to decide how they want to handle COPPA |
| 01:51.19 | brlcad | (j/k spldart) |
| 01:51.21 | Erroneous | noone in the US can store your personal data without your parents permission |
| 01:51.28 | JeffM | the boom fourms are not run by the project |
| 01:51.34 | Mike___ | will they kill me |
| 01:51.36 | hwilde | Mike___, even the chicken crossed the road... what is your purpose in life |
| 01:51.40 | JeffM | if you register with us, we will remove your data |
| 01:51.46 | JeffM | hwilde, please don't inturupt |
| 01:51.57 | spldart | hehe > brlcad |
| 01:52.06 | Winny | what do you mean "will they kill you"??? |
| 01:52.13 | JeffM | Mike___, they can say whatever they want. we have our rules on it, they have theres. |
| 01:52.15 | spldart | ugh! peter 4b? |
| 01:52.19 | brlcad | Mike___: can you get your parents to send in the coppa form? |
| 01:52.33 | JeffM | Mike___, they are teasing you |
| 01:52.34 | JeffM | ignore it |
| 01:52.36 | Mike___ | i sent it to tim riker |
| 01:52.40 | brlcad | k |
| 01:52.48 | brlcad | you shouldn't be the one sending, though .. :) |
| 01:52.59 | JeffM | Mike___, you did? or your parents did. if your parents did then we'll add you to the coppa group |
| 01:53.17 | Mike___ | my parents did i swear |
| 01:53.29 | JeffM | Mike___, ok cool |
| 01:53.35 | JeffM | tim will process it and add you to the group |
| 01:53.39 | JeffM | and it'll all be fine |
| 01:53.40 | Mike___ | my dad sent the message to tim riker |
| 01:53.44 | JeffM | ok good |
| 01:53.47 | JeffM | then it'll all be fine |
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| 01:54.01 | Mike___ | is he supposed to reply |
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| 01:54.18 | JeffM2501 | Mike___, he should yes, but it takes time. just chill |
| 01:54.56 | Mike___ | ok thks i got really scared because of aha |
| 01:55.14 | JeffM2501 | ye is a mean evil person |
| 01:55.26 | Erroneous | don't believe everything you hear on the internet ;) |
| 01:55.33 | JeffM2501 | we will simple delete your account if you did not send it in |
| 01:55.33 | brlcad | indeed |
| 01:55.41 | hwilde | unless it has al gore's stamp of approval |
| 01:55.51 | Winny | JeffM2501, you mean those ninja's weren't yours?! |
| 01:55.57 | JeffM2501 | Winny, I never said that |
| 01:56.03 | Winny | :p |
| 01:56.23 | TimRiker | Mike___: what's the username? |
| 01:57.10 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, he probalby hasn't registered yet |
| 01:57.18 | brlcad | *slightly* harder to convince someone to pretend to be your parent and have an adult voice than it is to forge an e-mail |
| 01:57.20 | Erroneous | brlcad: unfortunately phone calls cost real money |
| 01:57.20 | JeffM2501 | Mike___, go ahead and register and tell us the name you pick |
| 01:57.44 | TimRiker | k. I don't think I've seen anything about peter4B yet. |
| 01:58.20 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker does not suprise me |
| 01:58.23 | TimRiker | brlcad: coppa requires that we get authorization. to my knowledge it does not say how. |
| 01:58.35 | brlcad | interesting |
| 01:58.47 | TimRiker | they can just as easily lie when signing up and say they are over 13, we don't check that either. it's all fairly silly. |
| 01:58.48 | JeffM2501 | if the parents sue us, we can show that we did try to get one |
| 01:59.00 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: exactly. |
| 01:59.01 | JeffM2501 | that shoudl get us off the hook for doing reasonable measures in a court |
| 01:59.08 | JeffM2501 | that the pooint of it |
| 01:59.11 | JeffM2501 | so we don't get sued |
| 01:59.24 | brlcad | at least not successfully ;) |
| 01:59.41 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:00.00 | brlcad | wrath of an angry parent has few limits |
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| 02:02.59 | JeffM2501 | hey JBdiGriz is back |
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| 02:03.10 | JeffM2501 | JBdiGriz, want to be a mentor, full or assistant? |
| 02:03.22 | JBdiGriz | Where? |
| 02:03.32 | JeffM2501 | SoC |
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| 02:04.21 | JBdiGriz | I'll be a mentor, but I will have to check what the meaning of full or assistant is. I didn't see that in the FAQ. |
| 02:04.31 | JeffM2501 | it's my term |
| 02:04.40 | Erroneous | assigned a student, or in the pool |
| 02:04.42 | JeffM2501 | not all mentors are asigned a student to eval etc.. |
| 02:04.44 | JeffM2501 | or just help |
| 02:04.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:04.48 | Winny | yay, fixed it. |
| 02:04.55 | JeffM2501 | we are just getting the list of people together |
| 02:04.56 | cl0aked | about SoC - do you guys take students residing in UTC -3 Timezone ? |
| 02:04.58 | Winny | ~IE7-- |
| 02:05.10 | JBdiGriz | We take students in all timezones. |
| 02:05.15 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 02:05.20 | brlcad | mentor or backup mentor (like last year) |
| 02:05.27 | andrecastelo | great :D |
| 02:05.35 | Winny | someone should be a mento |
| 02:05.37 | brlcad | so if a mentor disappeared, you could become the primary for a student |
| 02:05.38 | JBdiGriz | Do I get a beep sound for the backup? |
| 02:05.38 | Winny | those are tasty |
| 02:05.49 | brlcad | JBdiGriz: only if you fsck cleanly |
| 02:05.50 | JeffM2501 | you get a t-shirt |
| 02:05.53 | andrecastelo | i'll be doing my homework and will send you guys an application, then :D |
| 02:06.09 | brlcad | andrecastelo: great |
| 02:06.23 | Erroneous | there are people around here for most of the day, so you're sure to be able to run into us no matter what timezone you're in |
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| 02:06.43 | andrecastelo | Erroneous: good to know :D |
| 02:06.46 | Winny | bz17: Why not stay in the real IRC client? |
| 02:06.49 | brlcad | i think we really need to add a note to the ideas page that the "hot topic" one that we're sure to get several submissions for again should only be attempted by folks intimately familiar |
| 02:07.07 | brlcad | the more I think about it and look at the code related, the less likely I see it happening |
| 02:07.12 | bz17 | where is tim riker |
| 02:07.28 | Winny | *sigh* dude, you just asked that 15 min ago |
| 02:07.32 | spldart | brb |
| 02:07.32 | JeffM2501 | bz17, he is on and off, what can we help you with? |
| 02:07.43 | Erroneous | brlcad: intimately familiar with bzflag, or with the other half |
| 02:07.54 | JeffM2501 | bz17, if you are peter, you just have to wait |
| 02:07.55 | bz17 | i saw him hes on a diffrent IRC server |
| 02:07.59 | JeffM2501 | like a day or so |
| 02:08.01 | andrecastelo | brlcad: intimately familiar with BZFlags project or with the skills involved ? |
| 02:08.12 | JeffM2501 | bz17, if you sent him the e-mail he will get it and be fine |
| 02:08.15 | JeffM2501 | just chill |
| 02:08.32 | brlcad | andrecastelo: no no .. I'm hintingly referring to a specific project in our suggested ideas list |
| 02:08.52 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, engine work? |
| 02:08.52 | Erroneous | brlcad: sorry, there was supposed to be a question mark on that sentence |
| 02:08.57 | brlcad | JeffM2501: bingo |
| 02:09.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's such a big one |
| 02:09.14 | JeffM2501 | we shoudl start it and let a student help |
| 02:09.15 | brlcad | Erroneous: and 'yes' |
| 02:09.15 | andrecastelo | brlcad: oh ok |
| 02:09.20 | Erroneous | brlcad: heh :) |
| 02:09.30 | Erroneous | is that "yes, both" or "yes, either"? :) |
| 02:09.48 | blast007 | Erroneous: the middle one |
| 02:09.51 | brlcad | if it requires us starting it, then it's really not a good project |
| 02:10.10 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, indeed |
| 02:10.14 | brlcad | Erroneous: yes :) |
| 02:10.31 | JBdiGriz | I think a number of projects would be better if we started by doing some design work, and breaking it up into smaller projects. |
| 02:10.32 | blast007 | is there a way to make the fonts in trunk not so blurry? |
| 02:10.33 | JeffM2501 | we need a lot of people to be familar with it is my fear |
| 02:10.36 | Erroneous | man, this is like pulling teeth :) |
| 02:10.40 | KTL | bryjen badgerking.fiedlers.us:5667 66 12.305 Red |
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| 02:10.43 | KTL | he is playing right now |
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| 02:10.58 | Mike___ | tim riker im here |
| 02:11.08 | blast007 | Mike___: dude... chill |
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| 02:11.49 | andrecastelo | what is the hot topic project you guys were talking about ? |
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| 02:12.04 | brlcad | andrecastelo: which one are you interested in? :) |
| 02:12.06 | JeffM2501 | andrecastelo, using a third party engine |
| 02:12.12 | brlcad | aww |
| 02:12.17 | blast007 | cow launcher |
| 02:12.36 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:12.43 | brlcad | damn console logging |
| 02:12.52 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:13.08 | blast007 | brlcad: sorry, let me turn off that botnet.. *cough* |
| 02:13.09 | brlcad | whoosh, firewalled for life |
| 02:13.19 | andrecastelo | well, the logic modularization seems to be par with my skills, but i haven't read the code yet |
| 02:13.50 | andrecastelo | and the third party engine sounds really interesting, but i have no idea where to start and i'm not familiar with any of those engines |
| 02:14.00 | brlcad | andrecastelo: don't feel compelled to pick something on our list either, there are several interesting ideas that would make great projects |
| 02:14.39 | andrecastelo | :D |
| 02:14.57 | andrecastelo | it's my first year, therefore i'm still getting to know the proccess |
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| 02:15.10 | blast007 | oh yeah, that's one thing I'm missing on the image submitter... email |
| 02:15.18 | Erroneous | heh |
| 02:16.01 | andrecastelo | brlcad: do you mean something like procedurally generating a fracture decal ? |
| 02:16.09 | JeffM2501 | blast007, thats the same thing our server is missing, e-mail |
| 02:16.11 | brlcad | something like that |
| 02:16.23 | blast007 | JeffM2501: hmm? |
| 02:16.38 | JeffM2501 | blast007, Erroneous has been unable to set us up the MTA ;) |
| 02:17.41 | blast007 | are you trying to use exim? |
| 02:17.51 | Erroneous | postfix |
| 02:18.03 | blast007 | ah |
| 02:18.09 | blast007 | I'm using postfix on my server |
| 02:18.20 | blast007 | exim4 was a pain in the *** |
| 02:18.29 | blast007 | couldn't even get exim to SEND mail properly |
| 02:18.32 | Erroneous | I set up exim elsewhere. it's twitchy, but not bad. |
| 02:18.53 | Erroneous | just did not want to go through the pain of trying to change the default MTA to exim |
| 02:18.54 | blast007 | Erroneous: having never set up mail on linux before, exim was really bad |
| 02:19.18 | Erroneous | exim has really good debug logging |
| 02:19.40 | blast007 | I have no idea if my postfix is set up right, but I can at least send email now without it going into everyone's junk mail folder |
| 02:19.58 | brlcad | mm.. logging |
| 02:20.04 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:20.28 | Erroneous | the part I have not been eager about is getting virtual domains working right. I'm pretty sure I could get it set up as a single-domain solution with no big problems. |
| 02:20.34 | blast007 | if only exchange server ran on linux :P *click click* there's your new account! |
| 02:20.44 | Erroneous | blast007: webmin ftw :) |
| 02:20.48 | blast007 | yeah... |
| 02:20.52 | blast007 | I need to get that installed |
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| 02:22.20 | JeffM2501 | if he gets anoying to anyone, let me know. I've warned him heavaly that he's on thin ice. |
| 02:22.27 | JeffM2501 | he also got tim's e-mail wrong |
| 02:22.32 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:22.41 | JeffM2501 | it's rikers.org, cus there is more then one |
| 02:22.45 | spldart | Who.. the peter4b fellow? |
| 02:22.48 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 02:22.49 | blast007 | you mean his dad, right? ;) |
| 02:22.58 | spldart | Ah crap.. he got a coppa? |
| 02:22.59 | JeffM2501 | well he said he told his dad |
| 02:23.04 | JeffM2501 | the wrong addy |
| 02:23.08 | JeffM2501 | he may |
| 02:23.09 | blast007 | k |
| 02:23.11 | spldart | He pm'd me to the point of irritation |
| 02:23.23 | JeffM2501 | but I've told him that if he causes disturbances he will be removed, COPPA or not |
| 02:23.29 | spldart | good |
| 02:23.34 | spldart | sry for being short |
| 02:23.43 | spldart | He lives within 20 miles or so of me |
| 02:23.51 | spldart | don't know him personal though |
| 02:23.57 | JeffM2501 | cool, go tell his dad to parrent ;) |
| 02:24.02 | spldart | LOL |
| 02:26.06 | spldart | Speaking of parenting.. brb |
| 02:26.16 | KTL | hehe |
| 02:27.35 | Winny | spldart needs to let the kids out of the cage to pee |
| 02:28.41 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:29.31 | spldart | hehe. Just getting a bit noisy.. Happy noise I tolerate pretty good... unhappy noise however.. hehe |
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| 03:12.32 | brlcad | i'm telling ya, there's loads of fun to be had .. http://www.thetravelalmanac.com/honduras/images/cracked.jpg http://www.oldsouldesign.net/photo_blog/crackedglass.jpg http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/309692/2/istockphoto_309692_shattered_windshield.jpg |
| 03:13.22 | brlcad | i even have a nice research paper stashed away somewhere that implements several algorithms |
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| 03:29.43 | Constitution | ah ha, found that server with the "inappropriate name" |
| 03:30.01 | JeffM | and it is? |
| 03:30.29 | Constitution | bzflags.xanacreations.com:12345 "~~20~~ G**D** SHOTS!!!" |
| 03:30.46 | short_circuit | yeesh classy |
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| 03:31.01 | JeffM | that's borderline for me |
| 03:31.32 | JeffM | tho that is a supid server name |
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| 03:31.49 | JeffM | I'd ask them to change it to something less stupid and see what they do |
| 03:32.00 | blast007 | they didn't even spell "damn" right |
| 03:32.11 | JeffM | dam? |
| 03:32.14 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:32.22 | blast007 | ~~20~~ GODDAM SHOTS!!! CHAOS SERVER!! AHHHH?!?! |
| 03:32.26 | JeffM | I guess the lord does need something to hold back his waters |
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| 03:32.51 | Ride | retype again |
| 03:32.52 | short_circuit | dude! Ride! |
| 03:32.52 | Constitution | no admins online... guess I'll leave a /report |
| 03:33.25 | Ride | ok |
| 03:33.41 | blast007 | Ride: I pm'ed it to you |
| 03:34.12 | short_circuit | woah |
| 03:35.48 | JeffM | heh "inexistant" |
| 03:43.04 | blast007 | really annoying trying to help someone over CGI:IRC :P |
| 03:46.49 | blast007 | ick... guess it's a bad idea to run bzadmin clients connected to a trunk server |
| 03:47.14 | blast007 | both trunk servers crashed, and my bzadmin clients have been inf. looping and eating up all my CPU time |
| 03:47.31 | blast007 | first time I've seen all 3 load average numbers at 2.00 |
| 03:47.37 | short_circuit | trunk bzfs tends to crash if anything connects to long |
| 03:47.50 | short_circuit | and give lots of connection error's |
| 03:47.53 | blast007 | yeah.. |
| 03:48.00 | short_circuit | oop |
| 03:48.14 | short_circuit | yeah.. you know that ;-) |
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| 03:58.55 | JeffM | Winny: I have the new tank in obj format now |
| 03:59.26 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/geometry/ |
| 04:00.35 | blast007 | heh.... and there goes mibbit |
| 04:00.46 | JeffM | ? |
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| 04:00.52 | blast007 | 21:59:34 -!- Wyk3d [i=c1e206e2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a9dd9cf71f106393] has quit [K-lined] |
| 04:00.56 | blast007 | K-lined |
| 04:01.04 | JeffM | think it was a real one? |
| 04:01.09 | blast007 | yes |
| 04:01.13 | blast007 | it wasn't in quotes |
| 04:01.13 | JeffM | what |
| 04:01.20 | JeffM | what'd he do? |
| 04:01.26 | blast007 | not necessarily him |
| 04:01.33 | blast007 | he is on a web-based one |
| 04:01.37 | JeffM | ahh |
| 04:01.38 | JeffM | fun |
| 04:01.39 | blast007 | mibbit.com is an ajax IRC client |
| 04:02.52 | JeffM | ahh |
| 04:03.15 | JeffM | so an abuse factory |
| 04:05.19 | Winny | hehe |
| 04:08.32 | Winny | JeffM, hmm |
| 04:08.50 | JeffM | ? |
| 04:08.54 | Winny | the turrent shouldn't spill out onto the treads on the tank |
| 04:09.00 | JeffM | it dosn't |
| 04:09.03 | JeffM | it pulls in |
| 04:09.08 | JeffM | the old one actualy intersected |
| 04:09.11 | JeffM | that is the fixed one |
| 04:09.19 | JeffM | I may redo the top to get it further away |
| 04:41.42 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16682 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (includes/functions.php upload.php): Send an email to moderators when new image(s) are uploaded. |
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| 06:00.30 | andresj_____ | hello... I'd like my IP unbanned... I don't know why it is. |
| 06:00.45 | andresj_____ | I had to use a web client to be able to join this channel |
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| 06:03.13 | andresj_____ | well, anyways... how do I use the web interface to configure a bzfs? |
| 06:04.58 | andresj_____ | in http://my.bzflag.org/w/CreatingAServer#Configure_your_Server it says "a "nice" web-based configuration builder [...] the BZFlag folder in the start menu"... but I use linux... what command should I run? |
| 06:11.22 | a_meteorite | andresj_____: IP banned from where? this IRC channel? |
| 06:13.49 | think_tank | yes andresj is caught up in the hsd1.ca.comcast.net hostban for this ch annel |
| 06:13.58 | AAA_awright | See #divi a_meteorite |
| 06:14.19 | a_meteorite | for good reason |
| 06:15.26 | think_tank | I still don't think we should be hostbanning the state's largest cable provider because of one person, here or anywhere else |
| 06:15.45 | ruskie | lol |
| 06:16.11 | ruskie | then convince said provider to stop using dynamic ips |
| 06:16.39 | think_tank | ips were never meant to function as a personal identifier |
| 06:16.39 | a_meteorite | too bad providers wouldn't kick off troublesome people |
| 06:18.07 | andresj_____ | yep |
| 06:18.19 | andresj_____ | ~bzfquery local.andresjriofrio.com:5154 |
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| 06:19.02 | andresj_____ | ~bzfquery andresjriofrio.ath.cx:5154 |
| 06:21.48 | Constitution | andresj_____: register your nick (if you haven't already), and then get one of the ops to set you mode +e |
| 06:22.47 | andresj_____ | My nick is registered as andresj |
| 06:23.00 | andresj_____ | who is op here? :) |
| 06:23.01 | Constitution | k |
| 06:23.21 | andresj_____ | ~bzfquery local.andresjriofrio.com:5154 |
| 06:23.44 | Constitution | brlcad, purple_cow, Chestal, TimRiker |
| 06:23.59 | think_tank | heh mass ping |
| 06:24.03 | Constitution | as you can probably see :) |
| 06:24.16 | Constitution | think_tank: there's an issue to be addressed, so it's necessary |
| 06:24.48 | andresj_____ | hey can you guys try to enter local.andresjriofrio.com:5154 in bzflag? to see if it works? |
| 06:24.50 | think_tank | Constitution: no argument :) |
| 06:25.24 | Constitution | works for me |
| 06:28.03 | andresj_____ | so apparently it does work :D |
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| 09:55.51 | hwilde | shhhhhhhh be vewwwy vewwwy quiett |
| 10:09.09 | pacman87 | are you hunting wabbits? |
| 10:10.03 | hwilde | no theres nobody on the fox burrow rabbit chase |
| 10:10.17 | hwilde | there's nobody on most of hte servers |
| 10:10.25 | hwilde | what did people start sleeping or something |
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| 10:15.06 | pacman87 | you want a quick 1vs1? |
| 10:15.14 | Gilly | who? :) |
| 10:16.08 | hwilde | you will killlll me |
| 10:16.10 | hwilde | it will be painful |
| 10:16.12 | pacman87 | i was talking to hwilde, but are you interested? |
| 10:16.21 | hwilde | why dont you go to gu hix |
| 10:16.25 | hwilde | there's like 3 ppl there |
| 10:16.29 | pacman87 | cause then you'll kill me :) |
| 10:16.40 | Gilly | i could play :D |
| 10:16.53 | hwilde | where |
| 10:16.55 | hwilde | I will kill you all |
| 10:16.56 | hwilde | !! |
| 10:17.05 | Gilly | 1vs1? dub.bzflag.org 5160 :P |
| 10:17.08 | Gilly | i'll be right there |
| 10:18.44 | Wyk3d | bzflag trunk was crashing for me when starting a server.. fixed it :) |
| 10:18.49 | Wyk3d | http://pastebin.ca/927492 |
| 10:22.19 | Wyk3d | guess i should submit this to the sourceforge patch tracker ? |
| 10:24.19 | Wyk3d | can't even imagine how that worked at all with the buffer overflow in strncpy and no null pointer checks for base in strlen |
| 10:25.03 | hwilde | lol |
| 10:25.23 | [dmp] | Wyk3d: that wouldnt hurt - or tell the devs here, when they "wake up" later (in about 5+ hours) |
| 10:25.27 | hwilde | what's wrong with a lil seg faults |
| 10:35.46 | Wyk3d | alright submitted the patch :) |
| 10:37.53 | [dmp] | :) |
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| 11:28.55 | Gilly | Wyk3d: are you sure about that patch? (i looked at the one in pastebin) |
| 11:29.26 | Wyk3d | i did test it and it all seems logical |
| 11:29.42 | Gilly | i mean, the strlen(base) should give the length from base to the end of the string whereas base - serverCmd seems to me to give the length from serverCmd to where base starts |
| 11:29.49 | Gilly | so logically they are inequivalent |
| 11:29.53 | Wyk3d | i know they are |
| 11:30.07 | Wyk3d | and the way it was done was causing a buffer overflow :) |
| 11:30.12 | Wyk3d | overwrote the hudlist |
| 11:30.14 | Wyk3d | and crashed |
| 11:30.16 | Wyk3d | :) |
| 11:30.38 | Wyk3d | read http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1906888&group_id=3248&atid=303248 for more details |
| 11:30.40 | Gilly | right, well, i'm not very familiar with that part of the code anyways |
| 11:30.46 | Wyk3d | me either :))) |
| 11:33.08 | Gilly | yea there's a bug - not sure if your fix is the right one but it seems to me the chances are pretty high :) |
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| 11:39.59 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!*@*.nrflva.east.verizon.net] by brlcad |
| 11:40.12 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!*@pool-162-83-118-132.norf.east.verizon.net] by brlcad |
| 11:40.46 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!*@69.8.5.103] by brlcad |
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| 12:33.53 | short_circuit | yawn |
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| 13:10.32 | Mike___ | hello |
| 13:11.07 | whodaman | hi |
| 13:21.20 | Winny | man |
| 13:21.24 | Winny | being sick sucks :( |
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| 14:13.49 | Winny | Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down! Never run around and, desert you! |
| 14:13.58 | Winny | you've been rickrolled! |
| 14:14.38 | whodaman- | Winny, that first bit sounds like something soxs. would say to his comrade in bootcamp |
| 14:15.04 | Winny | heh |
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| 14:22.03 | short_circuit | Hrm... 3.0 release needs to have an autoban script for rickrolled before it's release |
| 14:22.47 | Winny | hehe |
| 14:22.58 | whodaman- | lawl |
| 14:23.45 | Winny | gah.. IE 7 |
| 14:24.36 | whodaman- | poor man |
| 14:24.43 | whodaman- | Safari 3.0 ftw |
| 14:25.33 | Winny | No |
| 14:25.44 | Winny | You see, each browser displays CSS and HTML slightly differently |
| 14:25.44 | short_circuit | time for work |
| 14:26.01 | whodaman- | Winny, and? |
| 14:26.12 | Winny | One needs to account for this when making a webpage |
| 14:26.12 | whodaman- | Safari's still the better browser, IMO |
| 14:26.16 | whodaman- | ah |
| 14:26.30 | Winny | Your fanboyism doesn't really matter to people who view a webpage :) |
| 14:26.49 | whodaman- | fanboyism.. |
| 14:27.09 | whodaman- | heh |
| 14:28.45 | Winny | :) |
| 14:42.16 | Winny | brlcad, you there? |
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| 14:55.28 | Winny | nice... |
| 14:55.31 | Winny | sagonet had a burp |
| 14:55.48 | Winny | seeing as SC and TS left too |
| 14:56.00 | whodaman- | Constitution was saved? |
| 14:56.24 | Constitution | guess so |
| 14:56.47 | Winny | Jeebus did it |
| 14:58.25 | Winny | haha, even sagonet.com is down |
| 14:59.29 | whodaman- | not for me |
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| 15:04.55 | whodaman- | eh |
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| 15:14.09 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.43 | brlcad | it was a rolling one, though, .bz was only unreachable for all of 2 minutes |
| 15:14.52 | brlcad | so probably a switch being reset |
| 15:15.15 | macsforme | yeah we're still down |
| 15:15.22 | Winny | ~lart sagonet |
| 15:15.22 | ibot | squishes sagonet like a bug |
| 15:15.25 | Winny | \o/ |
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| 15:19.01 | Winny | EEK |
| 15:19.16 | whodaman- | haha |
| 15:19.19 | whodaman- | nice |
| 15:23.49 | delusional_ | listserver slow? ..bzbb nonexistent? |
| 15:23.59 | Winny | delusional_: sagonet is having some issues |
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| 15:26.18 | andresj____ | ~bzquery local.andresjriofrio.com:5154 |
| 15:28.06 | blast007 | andresj____: I think brlcad unbanned your ISP |
| 15:28.13 | Winny | he did |
| 15:28.28 | Winny | * brlcad removes ban on *!*@*.hsd1.ca.comcast.net |
| 15:31.49 | Winny | hmm |
| 15:35.56 | whodaman- | nice |
| 15:36.01 | whodaman- | real client ftw :P |
| 15:37.35 | delusional_ | by using triangular tessellation on all the objects in a map I'm making I raised my FPS at maximum settings from 91 to 150 |
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| 15:38.01 | brlcad | that was short-lived :) |
| 15:38.21 | Winny | hmm, hopefully it's done |
| 15:39.11 | Winny | or not :/ |
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| 15:41.11 | SportChick | brl: ping |
| 15:41.57 | whodaman- | SportChick, in order to get the persons attention you need to use his full name |
| 15:42.02 | whodaman- | :p just kidding |
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| 15:42.12 | SportChick | <-- ignores whodaman |
| 15:42.22 | whodaman- | SportChick, >.> |
| 15:42.48 | Winny | I bet I'm ignoed too, heh |
| 15:43.41 | Winny | JeffM: I take it your server is down too? |
| 15:43.51 | JeffM | huh? |
| 15:44.02 | JeffM | I just woke up |
| 15:44.30 | blast007 | sagonet is (or was?) experiencing network issues |
| 15:44.47 | Winny | yeah.. mbo + mine is offline |
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| 15:45.00 | SportChick | Winny, ok, so it's not just me |
| 15:45.10 | SportChick | Winny, has someone spoken to brlcad? |
| 15:45.15 | JeffM | there is an issue at global crossing |
| 15:45.21 | whodaman- | SportChick, he's having the same problem |
| 15:45.23 | JeffM | it is not somethign he can fix |
| 15:45.25 | Winny | Well, his IRC sessoin is on the MBO box, so |
| 15:45.30 | SportChick | JeffM, ah ok |
| 15:45.46 | Winny | he knows, but isn't here (since it seems the network is choppy) |
| 15:45.50 | JeffM | global crossing to qwest is not hapy |
| 15:45.53 | SportChick | Winny, yes, mine too, but it seems to have been killed |
| 15:45.55 | JeffM | not down, but not happy |
| 15:46.02 | Winny | fun |
| 15:46.08 | Wyk3d | hi JeffM, i guess you haven't seen the patch i posted today then ? :) |
| 15:46.21 | Winny | ick.. http://internetpulse.com/ wow |
| 15:46.33 | JeffM | Wyk3d: I do not look at patches the moment they are posted. |
| 15:46.41 | JeffM | what does it do? |
| 15:47.02 | L4m3r | fixes a segfault in trunk, apparently |
| 15:47.04 | Wyk3d | ofcourse .. it fixes a crash |
| 15:47.23 | JeffM | explain more |
| 15:47.37 | Wyk3d | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1906888&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 15:47.39 | JeffM | this is the comunication part of checking you out |
| 15:47.41 | Wyk3d | explained there in detail :) |
| 15:47.51 | JeffM | no.. I want you to explain it to me. in your own words |
| 15:47.55 | JeffM | comunicate with me |
| 15:47.56 | JeffM | tlak |
| 15:47.58 | Wyk3d | oh sure |
| 15:47.59 | Wyk3d | well |
| 15:48.07 | Wyk3d | to tell you the whole story then |
| 15:48.16 | andresj____ | hey is the server list working? |
| 15:48.27 | Wyk3d | i started bzflag and tried to start a server and it crashed |
| 15:48.28 | andresj____ | it tells me "Searching..." and never finishes |
| 15:48.40 | JeffM | Wyk3d: ok, where was the crash |
| 15:48.42 | Winny | andresj____: "<blast007> sagonet is (or was?) experiencing network issues" |
| 15:48.45 | JeffM | andresj____: there is an issue on the internet |
| 15:48.59 | andresj____ | and when I start my server, it cannot send the file to the server list |
| 15:49.05 | andresj____ | JeffM: what happened? |
| 15:49.07 | Wyk3d | i set some breakpoints and found that in the void ServerStartMenu::dismiss() a NULL pointer was not checked |
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| 15:49.24 | tofu | not likely |
| 15:49.25 | JeffM | andresj____: something on one of the networks, not somethign we can fix, or had anything to do with. |
| 15:49.25 | Winny | mm, tofu |
| 15:49.27 | Wyk3d | strchr returns a NULL pointer if the character is not found |
| 15:49.38 | Wyk3d | and strlen(base) crashes |
| 15:49.47 | Wyk3d | but that's only half of the problem |
| 15:49.48 | JeffM | Wyk3d: and we didn't check to see if that return was null? |
| 15:49.55 | andresj____ | JeffM: I see... do you know when it will be fixed? |
| 15:49.56 | Wyk3d | yes there was no check |
| 15:50.00 | JeffM | andresj____: no |
| 15:50.21 | Wyk3d | the potentially more serious part of the problem is the buffer overflow |
| 15:50.33 | Winny | a ha |
| 15:50.38 | Winny | new ticket posted |
| 15:50.49 | Wyk3d | btw it's the ServerStartMenu::execute() function not dismiss sorry |
| 15:50.50 | Winny | "There is currently a ddos attack that is affecting traffic and connectivity for some customers on Sago's Network. Servers are still up and running but there are some customers that may be receiving alerts that their server is down." |
| 15:52.01 | Wyk3d | so the base pointer points to the last occurance of / or \\ and lenrem = buffer_length - strlen(base) was passed as an argument to strncpy |
| 15:52.15 | JeffM | yeah we usualy don't check for overflows |
| 15:52.29 | JeffM | it's generaly not a security risk |
| 15:52.37 | Wyk3d | in this case it actually crashed |
| 15:52.45 | JeffM | tho I am sad to say we will probalby be removing that menu soon |
| 15:52.52 | JeffM | but looks to be a good fix |
| 15:53.03 | Wyk3d | so strncpy works by padding 0s after it copied |
| 15:53.11 | Wyk3d | but it copied more than would fit in the buffer |
| 15:53.19 | Wyk3d | it overwrote the hustlist |
| 15:53.23 | Wyk3d | and crashed when it was used |
| 15:53.24 | blast007 | hrm, wonder if it's the same botnet that hit XLHost yesterday |
| 15:53.49 | Wyk3d | listHUD variable i mean |
| 15:53.51 | brlcad | unless it's full |
| 15:54.34 | JeffM | Wyk3d: what is your real name? |
| 15:54.46 | andresj____ | hey anybody know how can i get the web-based configurator for bzfs? |
| 15:55.06 | Wyk3d | istvan .. that would be steven in english i guess |
| 15:55.06 | andresj____ | I read about it in the wiki: CreatingAServer |
| 15:55.35 | JeffM | don't need it in english |
| 15:55.38 | JeffM | just your legal name |
| 15:55.47 | JeffM | first and last |
| 15:56.14 | Wyk3d | szakats istvan .. why exactly ? |
| 15:56.22 | JeffM | for the changelog |
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| 15:57.54 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16683 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerStartMenu.cxx: Add patch 1906888 ( thanks szakats istvan ) to fix a crash in the server menu for non windows systems. |
| 15:58.32 | Wyk3d | cool :) |
| 15:58.35 | JeffM | thanks for the fix |
| 16:06.26 | Wyk3d | actually the crash was for both windows and non windows system |
| 16:06.26 | Wyk3d | s |
| 16:06.37 | Wyk3d | in particular it crashed for me on windows but never mind |
| 16:06.38 | Wyk3d | :) |
| 16:11.15 | JeffM | looked like most of it was in the else case of a #def for windows |
| 16:13.08 | Wyk3d | if something is outside an if, it's not necessarily in the else ^^ |
| 16:13.10 | JeffM | ahh cus you pulled that out |
| 16:13.11 | JeffM | I see |
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| 16:13.19 | JeffM | and it was an end |
| 16:13.22 | JeffM | I missread |
| 16:13.23 | JeffM | :) |
| 16:13.29 | Wyk3d | sure no problem ;) |
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| 16:26.14 | Winny | ick.. IE 7 expands a div to the full height of the BG image.. wow |
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| 16:36.25 | Wyk3d | JeffM: btw just curious, what will you replace that menu with ? |
| 16:36.36 | JeffM | external apps |
| 16:36.51 | JeffM | on windows blast007's server launcher |
| 16:36.58 | blast007 | I already have the start of a C# based application for launching local servers for testing |
| 16:36.59 | Wyk3d | oh so you won't be able to start the server from within BZFlag anymore ? |
| 16:37.10 | JeffM | Wyk3d: no, there is no real need to do so |
| 16:37.15 | Winny | does anyone even do that? |
| 16:37.22 | JeffM | lan games are a very small part of bzflag |
| 16:37.27 | JeffM | and we can do better with external apps |
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| 17:27.30 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16684 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:27.30 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: Send out an approval or rejection email to the uploader. |
| 17:27.30 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: Clean away the old code from queue.php. |
| 17:27.34 | blast007 | weeee |
| 17:27.56 | blast007 | that pretty much gets it's to a fully usable point |
| 17:28.23 | blast007 | next thing that would be nice is to show the user their currently pending images |
| 17:43.39 | Winny | brlcad: you here? |
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| 19:02.44 | [dmp] | Is BZFlag (client) dependent on ENV or something similar on Windows? I've made a small app to launch bzflag, and it works nicely under linux. But in windows bzflag laucnhes, opens its screen (display turn dark) and then exist - and i get some random returncode. If i try to launch something else (gimp - was one of them) it works as expected. On linux it also works as expected. |
| 19:03.24 | [dmp] | I've tried a few different ways - execl/ShellExecute and wxWidgets wxExecute, wxShell - all of them fail in the same manner - so im running out of ideas |
| 19:03.38 | JBdiGriz | [dmp]: Do you have a config file? |
| 19:04.35 | JBdiGriz | I'm making a random guess, based on a crash I observed on the mac. It's probably completely unrelated. |
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| 19:05.29 | [dmp] | JBdiGriz: If i launch it normally from the desktop, bzflag works |
| 19:06.17 | [dmp] | I also tried to output stdout (and error), but get nothing |
| 19:06.55 | JBdiGriz | What about the current directory? |
| 19:07.12 | [dmp] | i was just thinking that - i dont set that |
| 19:07.27 | [dmp] | so its probably my apps directory |
| 19:09.58 | Wyk3d | unless you use the -directory option as a command line argument, the data dir must be in the current path |
| 19:10.15 | Wyk3d | afaik :) |
| 19:16.05 | Erroneous | yes, on windows we require the launching directory to be set correctly |
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| 19:19.54 | JeffM | Wyk3d: windows only needs the working dir for the DLLs, it does not do the same type of search as the other OSs for the data dir |
| 19:20.09 | JeffM | the first place I try is the full path to the exe /data/ |
| 19:20.15 | JeffM | regardless of working dir |
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| 19:22.19 | JeffM | [dmp]: what errors are you getting? dll not found, or fonts not found? |
| 19:23.50 | [dmp] | JeffM: Nothing. But thats probably just me not knowing what I'm doing. Im trying to see if changing working-directory fixes it |
| 19:24.09 | JeffM | probably DLLs then |
| 19:24.15 | JeffM | and yeah working dir shoudl help that |
| 19:24.23 | JeffM | our shortcuts set the working dir |
| 19:24.28 | Wyk3d | JeffM: i don't know if this is specific to trunk but it didn't start because it didn't find any fonts |
| 19:24.34 | JeffM | but no environ is needed |
| 19:24.39 | Wyk3d | without -directory set |
| 19:24.46 | JeffM | Wyk3d: where was the exe? |
| 19:24.55 | JeffM | the default debug setup in the IDE is not correct |
| 19:24.56 | Wyk3d | in vc71\debug |
| 19:25.00 | JeffM | exactly |
| 19:25.03 | JeffM | you have to change that |
| 19:25.09 | JeffM | we copy the exe to the source root |
| 19:25.14 | JeffM | that is the one you run in the debuger |
| 19:25.26 | JeffM | in your case the data dir was NOT in the same dir as the exe |
| 19:25.28 | JeffM | so it failed |
| 19:25.50 | Wyk3d | well for me it ran the version in vc71\debug |
| 19:25.52 | JeffM | the debug command is not part of the proeject or solution, so we can not set it. |
| 19:25.57 | JeffM | yes that is the default |
| 19:26.01 | JeffM | cus that is the build target |
| 19:26.13 | JeffM | you have to manualy change that if you want to run from within the IDE |
| 19:26.25 | Wyk3d | it runs by setting -directory |
| 19:26.27 | Wyk3d | :) |
| 19:26.32 | JeffM | that is another way to do it |
| 19:27.19 | JeffM | running the one in the root runs it the same way that the final release builds run, so it is a better test for debuging |
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| 19:29.13 | JeffM | the readme.windows file in trunk mentions that you should do this |
| 19:32.53 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16685 10/trunk/bzflag/README.WINDOWS: only one s in targets |
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| 20:28.43 | [dmp] | JBdiGriz, Erroneous, JeffM: That fixed it. Wished I'd ask about this yesterday :) thanks |
| 20:28.55 | JeffM | coo |
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| 21:09.01 | a_meteorite | ~bad Winny |
| 21:09.02 | ibot | Bad Winny, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 21:13.52 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03timriker * r16686 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (data/bzflag.desktop debian/rules): debian 396080 fixed in ubuntu |
| 21:14.11 | a_meteorite | first time I saw you commit in a long time TimRiker :) |
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| 21:21.01 | TimRiker | a_meteorite: heh. yeah, been watching, but busy in RL. holding 2 jobs at the moment. one is a startup and eats up whatever time I throw at it. |
| 21:21.27 | Winny | brlcad: ping? |
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| 21:26.18 | bz49 | hello |
| 21:26.43 | a_meteorite | hi, how can we help you? |
| 21:27.02 | bz49 | hi |
| 21:27.03 | Winny | Peter 4b .. |
| 21:27.10 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 21:27.17 | Winny | have some patience |
| 21:27.21 | bz49 | i dont need help |
| 21:27.34 | bz49 | i know i am |
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| 21:28.23 | tupone | TimRiker, regarding bzflag/data/bzflag.desktop: gentoo bzflag is in /usr/games/bin/, not /usr/games/ . I don't know for debian. Is the path ok, for debian? |
| 21:28.38 | a_meteorite | bz49: did you succeed in parental consent? |
| 21:28.47 | bz49 | what is the official bo0m website |
| 21:29.00 | Winny | Why the heck would we know |
| 21:29.05 | Winny | ask one of them |
| 21:29.19 | bz49 | ask who |
| 21:29.25 | Winny | .. boom ... |
| 21:29.34 | bz49 | viciousM |
| 21:34.02 | Winny | whee |
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| 21:45.31 | TimRiker | tupone: yes /usr/games/bzflag on debian. |
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| 21:46.10 | tupone | ok. Did you get my "bug notice" about the calendar on your irc logger? |
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| 22:26.19 | JeffM_ | mmmmmmmm foood goood |
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| 22:38.51 | TimRiker | there's a debian patch that adds includes like <cstring> all over the place. does it break any other c++ compilers? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=462425 |
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| 22:49.54 | Erroneous | TimRiker: I believe brlcad ran into some issues with those c++-style headers on irix, since they are all now protected with fallbacks to the c-style versions. See r4879 and nearby. |
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| 22:54.26 | obscurite | Hey, i'm getting creamed at pillbox, and at bzflag in general. Aside from adjusting the radar and key settings, any tips? |
| 22:54.56 | Winny | follow the top players in observer mode, watch what they do |
| 22:55.03 | obscurite | So far I've figured out how to hide behind stuff, and fire 2 shots so you have one left. |
| 22:55.33 | obscurite | Okay, i'll try that thanks.l |
| 22:55.33 | Winny | you should probably also learn to play with a mouse, you can make more sudden moves with it |
| 22:55.37 | obscurite | I've been playing with a mouse so far, and I like it better than the keyboard. |
| 22:55.49 | Winny | :) |
| 22:55.51 | Winny | also, map two fire keys if you havent already |
| 22:55.52 | obscurite | I'm getting about 1 kill for every 2 deaths |
| 22:56.07 | Winny | that way you can go key1 key2 key1 in a faster succession |
| 22:56.17 | obscurite | Okay |
| 22:56.21 | Winny | fire off a tighter band, which is harder/ impossible to dodge if you do it right |
| 22:56.28 | Winny | fires off* |
| 22:56.54 | obscurite | That sounds good. |
| 22:57.42 | Winny | if you're interested, joining a league like GU is good, too |
| 22:57.54 | Winny | you can get good tips from older players |
| 22:57.56 | obscurite | How do you join as an observer again? |
| 22:58.01 | Winny | (older as in, playing longer) |
| 22:58.12 | Winny | in the join game menu under team |
| 22:58.13 | obscurite | Is that through the forums? |
| 22:58.25 | Winny | http://gu.bzleague.com/ |
| 22:58.47 | spldart | Lotsa 1 on 1 to learn dodging with no jumping |
| 22:59.03 | Winny | yep |
| 22:59.35 | obscurite | Thanks guys! |
| 22:59.42 | Winny | sure |
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| 23:04.17 | spldart | o_O |
| 23:04.22 | Winny | :p |
| 23:05.06 | blast007 | obscurite: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Observer_Mode (not a completed page, but something) |
| 23:05.58 | a_meteorite | When I think of obscurite I think of an observer. Perfect link blast007. |
| 23:10.02 | TimRiker | Erroneous: the bug says that current source won't build with gcc 4.3 so, you're saying that fixing it breaks irix? |
| 23:13.19 | JeffM | TimRiker: WTF? http://rikers.org/gallery/riker/20050803_232803 |
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| 23:18.40 | TimRiker | JeffM: hehe. That was on the box that one of my t-shirts came in. |
| 23:18.47 | JeffM | heh |
| 23:19.00 | JeffM | cus we can model that up if you want |
| 23:19.41 | TimRiker | heh. if you're looking for inspiration, sure. :) |
| 23:19.57 | JeffM | not not really. I've allready redone the tank |
| 23:20.09 | TimRiker | :) |
| 23:20.16 | JeffM | same basic shape, just cleaner and in an obj loadable format for 3.0 |
| 23:20.38 | JeffM | and it has non silly treads :) |
| 23:20.40 | TimRiker | better texture maps now? |
| 23:20.51 | JeffM | not yet, but I plan to redo them |
| 23:20.55 | JeffM | it's set up for better UVs |
| 23:20.57 | TimRiker | the old mapping was uh.. odd. :) |
| 23:21.09 | JeffM | the old maping was just planar blob |
| 23:21.09 | TimRiker | cool. |
| 23:21.26 | JeffM | the treads in 3.0 at least don't have the camo texture anymore |
| 23:21.30 | JeffM | and you can load any obj now |
| 23:21.45 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/bz/bzfi0014.png |
| 23:22.03 | pacman87 | but the cake is a lie! |
| 23:22.21 | Winny | most certainly |
| 23:22.29 | JeffM | after we get a bunch of bugs fixed I'll go back and finsh up the obj support |
| 23:23.37 | Erroneous | TimRiker: I think the patch as is will break irix, yes |
| 23:24.06 | JeffM | yay for breaking irix ;) |
| 23:24.30 | Erroneous | we can do what we do right now, and protect everything with configure checks and fall back to c-style headers where necessary, and thereby fix both, but that sounds rather tedious to me |
| 23:24.44 | Erroneous | why does gcc 4.3 complain about c-style headers? |
| 23:24.52 | Erroneous | or is it just that we need to include a few more? |
| 23:25.29 | Erroneous | i.e. if we just throw <string.h>'s in where necessary, does that do it? or do we really need the <assert.h> -> <cassert> stuff? |
| 23:26.30 | TimRiker | Erroneous: don't know, not tried building it with 4.3 yet. |
| 23:26.51 | TimRiker | but it errors out someplace. let me see if i can find the build log... |
| 23:27.51 | TimRiker | ah, the bug just has a snippet: |
| 23:27.53 | TimRiker | FontManager.cxx:61: error: 'strcasecmp' was not declared in this scope |
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| 23:29.47 | TimRiker | so I suspect that <string.h>'s would be a more portable fix. |
| 23:32.12 | TimRiker | I'll upgrade and test with current debian 4.3 snapshot. |
| 23:36.33 | Winny | JeffM, use this for the OBJ |
| 23:36.35 | Winny | http://ingesidee.de/dateien/grafiken/de/_german_panther_2007_luftballon_luft_kleber_balloon_air_glou_960_x370_x_300cm-l.jpg |
| 23:37.03 | spldart | I like |
| 23:37.19 | Winny | then when you shoot soemone all the ballons would fly away ;) |
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| 23:37.42 | TimRiker | Winny: that's awesome. but why isn't it flying? |
| 23:37.43 | spldart | All the other tanks would load scatter shot instead of HEAT rounds |
| 23:38.35 | brlcad | what? |
| 23:38.37 | Winny | ahh |
| 23:40.23 | TimRiker | http://www.staedtische-galerie.nordhorn.de/bilder/ausstellungen/2007/hemmert13-g.jpg |
| 23:40.34 | Winny | TimRiker: :p |
| 23:48.05 | brlcad | TimRiker: so, with the two jobs, have any time and interest to mentor this year |
| 23:48.18 | brlcad | we're starting to get the list put together |
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| 23:48.33 | brlcad | (for GSoC, if that was out of context) |
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| 23:54.27 | TimRiker | brlcad: yep, been following. not time for signups yet though is it? |
| 23:54.51 | TimRiker | brlcad: well, if I get a free shirt, I might as well sign up. :) |
| 23:55.07 | brlcad | TimRiker: yes, you would at least get a free t-shirt :) |
| 23:55.48 | TimRiker | hopefully so of the list/game server changes would go through this year, and I'd be more involved in those I expect. |
| 23:55.56 | TimRiker | s/so/some/ |
| 23:56.37 | TimRiker | lots of these... ../../include/SceneRenderer.h:143: warning: type qualifiers ignored on function return type |
| 23:58.26 | TimRiker | I noticed that MESS now has some sgi systems emulated. Might be nice to get irix up in a box sometime. :) |
| 23:58.27 | brlcad | on head or branch? |
| 23:58.35 | TimRiker | looking at 2.0 still. |
| 23:59.21 | brlcad | ah! are you building on irix or something? |
| 23:59.46 | brlcad | or is gcc finally catching up to mipspro and complaining about that |
