| 00:00.00 | awilcox | no. |
| 00:00.03 | awilcox | Linux NAMERICA1 2.6.15-29-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Sep 24 17:24:47 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:00.10 | awilcox | /bin/sh: update: command not found |
| 00:00.11 | awilcox | er |
| 00:00.15 | awilcox | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.33 | awilcox | ^ try doing that with a windows :P |
| 00:00.47 | blast007 | doing what on Windows? |
| 00:00.52 | blast007 | running the uptime command? |
| 00:00.56 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:01.03 | awilcox | up 60 days. the furthest I've ever gotten is 52 days |
| 00:01.29 | awilcox | Of course, I only stopped at 52 days because it just so happened I replaced Windows with Linux on that date, due to a power outage from Hurricane Wilma. |
| 00:01.36 | a_meteorite | awilcox: why not use windows 32-bit? |
| 00:01.49 | awilcox | a_meteorite: 7 gigs of RAM > 32-bit Windows |
| 00:01.59 | a_meteorite | oh, you have 7GB? :o |
| 00:02.12 | awilcox | well I have 4GB right now. but one of my friends has 3GB spare. |
| 00:02.17 | a_meteorite | install ubuntu for the time being :) |
| 00:02.22 | awilcox | and I hate having to upgrade/change OSEs |
| 00:02.23 | awilcox | *OSes |
| 00:02.25 | a_meteorite | don't break your dual channel just to get 7GB... |
| 00:02.36 | awilcox | a_met: why would I break dual-channel? |
| 00:02.41 | a_meteorite | heck, changing brands is enough to break dual channel many times |
| 00:02.49 | a_meteorite | awilcox: it must be in pairs, 3GB isn't a pair |
| 00:02.51 | awilcox | 2GB/2GB pair for 0, 512M/512M pair for 1/2/3 |
| 00:02.59 | Erroneous | a_meteorite: 2 2gb, 2 1gb, 2 512mb = 7gb |
| 00:03.11 | a_meteorite | would it still operate dual channel like that? |
| 00:03.17 | blast007 | sure |
| 00:03.21 | blast007 | as long as you match up their pairs |
| 00:03.22 | Erroneous | as long as you have all pairs, yes |
| 00:03.30 | awilcox | actually 2 2GB and 6 512M, but close enough ;) |
| 00:03.43 | Erroneous | that's a lot of slots :) |
| 00:03.53 | blast007 | awilcox: I have a Windows 2000 Pro machine here at work that has 182 days of uptime |
| 00:03.55 | awilcox | Erroneous: I know. fun time. it can take up to 32GB, when memory comes down :P |
| 00:04.04 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:04.31 | blast007 | heh, my old server can only go up to 16GB ;) |
| 00:04.33 | a_meteorite | 8GB would be considerably cheap to do with DDR2 |
| 00:04.34 | awilcox | blast007: Ah. Yeah, Windows 2000 is where I attained 52 days of uptime. 2K seems like the best for reliability (never actually had XP on more than 10 days at at ime) |
| 00:04.43 | blast007 | but it's 32-bit CPUs (4 of them) |
| 00:04.46 | a_meteorite | less than $300 |
| 00:05.23 | awilcox | blast007: Hah. I have two processor sockets (64-bit), but quad-core support on each. (I'm not *that* insane, I only have 1 quad-core in it for the time being ;) ) |
| 00:05.52 | awilcox | Things are zippy now. It's like computing is all shiney and new again :D |
| 00:05.56 | Winny | dude get another one |
| 00:06.07 | awilcox | Winny: another quad-core CPU? |
| 00:06.11 | Winny | yes! |
| 00:06.11 | Erroneous | Winny: what on earth would he do with 8 cores? |
| 00:06.16 | Winny | render |
| 00:06.18 | blast007 | calculate pi |
| 00:06.24 | Winny | I'd give me left foot for 8 cores |
| 00:06.24 | awilcox | I don't run that many multi-threaded apps :P |
| 00:06.29 | Erroneous | s/on earth/useful/ :) |
| 00:06.29 | whodaman- | haha, blast007 |
| 00:06.52 | blast007 | Erroneous: run 8 instances of folding@home and help cure disease? ;) |
| 00:07.00 | awilcox | Winny: well, my setup with another quad-core proc would only run you like 1700$ or so |
| 00:07.03 | Erroneous | now there's an idea :) |
| 00:07.27 | a_meteorite | awilcox: eh, 8 cores and 4GB for $1700? PM me the links to all your parts! |
| 00:07.31 | awilcox | blast007: I do plan on running folding@home when I get |
| 00:07.34 | blast007 | I was doing that on my quad CPU, but the room was getting too hot, so I stopped that |
| 00:07.36 | awilcox | *get it running |
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| 00:07.46 | Winny | awilcox, that's less then I paid for my p4 a few years ago ;) |
| 00:07.58 | blast007 | Erroneous: yeah... I was doing it during summer... in an upstairs room |
| 00:08.01 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:08.15 | awilcox | this thing runs at lower-than-room temperature at idle |
| 00:08.18 | blast007 | the room peaked at like 95F |
| 00:08.21 | awilcox | I can't see it being that bad doing f@h |
| 00:08.22 | blast007 | with fans on |
| 00:08.29 | Winny | blast007, ouch |
| 00:08.45 | awilcox | blast007: my "server" room got to 88F when the A/C broke |
| 00:08.57 | blast007 | and now I don't have room for it, since I have the huge gaming box |
| 00:09.21 | awilcox | Winny/a_met: I will get you links to my parts in a bit, need to burn another disc first |
| 00:09.27 | a_meteorite | aww |
| 00:09.29 | Winny | I don't want your parts :p |
| 00:10.39 | awilcox | Winny: you said you'd give your left foot for eight cores...you don't want linkys? :P |
| 00:11.44 | blast007 | Winny: I had a machine with 64GB of RAM priced out years and year ago. The RAM alone was $75k ;) |
| 00:12.00 | Winny | nice |
| 00:12.01 | awilcox | I priced a machine similar to this one in 2003 for 25k$ |
| 00:12.12 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:12.15 | awilcox | getting it for 2k$? I had to save my pennies and do it :D |
| 00:12.27 | awilcox | (well, actually more like 1598$ or something, I'm rounding) |
| 00:12.27 | blast007 | funny how fast things change |
| 00:13.01 | Winny | my p4 (which was 2100$ 3 years ago), can be bought for around 250$ now |
| 00:13.12 | awilcox | blast007: everyone I talk to says this year, the CPU/mobo market is going to stabilise and graphics cards are going to be the new "buy-new-every-week" item |
| 00:13.35 | Winny | don't people say that EVERY year? |
| 00:13.57 | awilcox | Winny: not afaik |
| 00:14.22 | Erroneous | graphics cards have been an "every couple months" upgrade for the last few years, where've you been? :) |
| 00:14.46 | awilcox | Erroneuos: I said every week, not couple months :) |
| 00:14.49 | a_meteorite | don't need to upgrade if you don't upgrade your names |
| 00:14.58 | a_meteorite | *games |
| 00:15.19 | Erroneous | sure you do, better performance out of existing games is always welcome |
| 00:15.23 | blast007 | Crysis - Sponsored by Intel, nVidia, and ASUS |
| 00:15.27 | Erroneous | and then there was the whole vista thing |
| 00:15.28 | awilcox | and think about it...with quad-core and 7GB RAM, I might actually get 1 frame per second in crysis! :P |
| 00:15.31 | a_meteorite | it depends on your current performance too |
| 00:15.40 | a_meteorite | awilcox: your 8600GTS will wimp out |
| 00:16.00 | blast007 | is it the new GTS or the old one? |
| 00:16.10 | a_meteorite | new |
| 00:16.13 | a_meteorite | but still not good enough |
| 00:16.20 | awilcox | a_met: an SLI'd 9600GT would prolly wimp uot :P |
| 00:16.26 | awilcox | *out |
| 00:16.26 | Winny | once nvidia released it's 9800GT's I'm upgrading |
| 00:16.55 | blast007 | awilcox: my 7900GTO runs crysis in Medium quality at 1920x1200 |
| 00:17.13 | blast007 | not well, but I can play it ;) |
| 00:17.41 | awilcox | hehe |
| 00:18.09 | blast007 | if you're gonna run DX10 and go to the ultra setting, you'll need a really beefy system |
| 00:18.21 | awilcox | what is surprising to me and maybe you can explain this |
| 00:18.47 | awilcox | my previous system, lappy, Celeron/1.6GHz, 512MB RAM, Radeon 7000. Flash applets took 100% CPU |
| 00:19.04 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:19.07 | a_meteorite | poorly coded flash? |
| 00:19.23 | awilcox | now this system, Xeon/2.0GHz...yes it's quad, but I still assumed that it would use a full core to process flash -- the exact same flash applet doesn't even register on task manager O_O |
| 00:19.33 | awilcox | 2% CPU usage right now |
| 00:19.59 | Winny | :) |
| 00:20.02 | awilcox | and 1% of that 2% is the proxy server that I haven't removed yet |
| 00:20.12 | awilcox | so I mean...d00d...something must be wrong with lappy |
| 00:20.30 | Erroneous | awilcox: or a xeon 2.0 is 10x or so faster than a celeron 1.6, which is true |
| 00:20.52 | Erroneous | celeron 1.6's had a really hard time outperforming p3 900's |
| 00:20.52 | awilcox | unless Flash uses hardware rendering? I'm talking youtube-like things here. |
| 00:21.04 | awilcox | Erroneous: oh...wow... |
| 00:21.15 | Winny | was it based on netburst? |
| 00:21.17 | Erroneous | netburst sucks |
| 00:21.19 | awilcox | yes |
| 00:21.19 | Erroneous | yeah |
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| 00:21.28 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:21.33 | awilcox | it was a Celeron/1600...Williamette or whatever that NetBurst Celeron thing was. |
| 00:21.45 | Winny | my P4 OCed to 3.7ghz still takes 30 seconds to run superpi at 1m digits >_< |
| 00:21.45 | awilcox | the first celly/1600, I can tell you that (bought Feb 2003) |
| 00:21.53 | Erroneous | yeah, first gen netburst. hot, expensive, and slow |
| 00:22.09 | awilcox | Erroneous: Yes! well, not expensive. was like 600$ or 700$ after the rebates. |
| 00:22.36 | Erroneous | awilcox: expensive compared to the athlon4's that were amd's notebook equipment at the time |
| 00:24.22 | awilcox | Winny: I just ran SuperPi at 1 million digits |
| 00:24.24 | awilcox | took...24 seconds |
| 00:24.25 | awilcox | lol |
| 00:24.33 | Winny | o.O |
| 00:24.36 | awilcox | and it only used two cores! |
| 00:24.42 | Winny | my p4 3.7 can do it in 29-30 s |
| 00:25.09 | awilcox | hmmm...that's strange then. |
| 00:25.11 | Erroneous | Winny: he's running at approximately half your clockspeed |
| 00:25.24 | Winny | but he's on 4 cores |
| 00:25.25 | a_meteorite | with 2 cores tho |
| 00:25.33 | Erroneous | he said it only used two |
| 00:25.40 | Winny | wait, superpi is not mutlithreaded >_< |
| 00:25.47 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 00:25.57 | awilcox | ohhhh. |
| 00:25.59 | Winny | my c2d can do ~28 seconds |
| 00:26.00 | awilcox | yeah. |
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| 00:26.48 | awilcox | the 1st core wasn't used, the 2nd core maybe hit ~20%, the third core sorta spiked to ~70%, and the fourth hit 100% |
| 00:27.02 | Winny | my total system hit about 3-40ish |
| 00:27.06 | Winny | 30-40* |
| 00:27.16 | awilcox | yeah, total system here was 29% at max |
| 00:27.35 | Erroneous | 48 secs here |
| 00:27.37 | awilcox | but, a Pentium/90 takes 35 hours to do what I just did in 24 seconds \o/ |
| 00:27.49 | Erroneous | athlon 3800 |
| 00:27.52 | Winny | we ran it at school on one of the hardware project computers... 9 min :P |
| 00:36.11 | awilcox | Winny: Google "QuickPi" and run it |
| 00:36.27 | awilcox | I just ran it -- it supports quad core processors. I hit 1.27 seconds for 1m digits. |
| 00:36.40 | awilcox | Ooh 1.25 seconds! |
| 00:36.40 | Winny | wow! |
| 00:36.42 | Winny | jesus |
| 00:37.27 | Winny | where did you find it? I can't seem to see a working download link |
| 00:37.34 | awilcox | Winny: Wikipedia |
| 00:37.42 | awilcox | Winny: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PiFast |
| 00:38.02 | awilcox | there's a link to "Stu's Pi page" -- there, is a link for -> QPI-QuickPi v4.5 |
| 00:38.36 | Winny | command line? |
| 00:38.40 | awilcox | yes |
| 00:38.48 | awilcox | do "qpi 50m pi.txt", that's what I'm doing |
| 00:40.16 | awilcox | Hello. |
| 00:40.33 | awilcox | 124.58 seconds (2 mins, 4.58 secs) for 52,428,800 digits of pi |
| 00:40.49 | Winny | 50m? jesus |
| 00:41.38 | Winny | 1.7 sec |
| 00:41.43 | Winny | something seems weird here |
| 00:41.47 | Winny | why would superpi take 30? |
| 00:42.04 | a_meteorite | using only one core? |
| 00:42.07 | Erroneous | because it's slower? :) |
| 00:42.10 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:42.48 | Winny | now awilcox |
| 00:42.55 | Winny | go memorise all those digits :) |
| 00:43.02 | awilcox | Um. |
| 00:43.17 | awilcox | *** awilcox brain: Kernel panic, not syncing (out of memory) |
| 00:43.22 | Winny | :P |
| 00:43.26 | awilcox | :P |
| 00:43.49 | Winny | Ha ha ha. |
| 00:44.58 | Winny | s/renderer/game copy/ |
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| 01:12.18 | Winny | holy crap, it reads map files |
| 01:12.38 | Winny | :D |
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| 02:09.16 | Slynderdale | How do you make a server completly private? No matter what I do, people I don't invite always joins the server. |
| 02:09.33 | blast007 | are you using -public ? |
| 02:09.34 | awilcox | well you could always /ban * |
| 02:09.40 | whodaman | fail aw |
| 02:09.43 | awilcox | but that would have some ill effects too :p |
| 02:09.45 | whodaman | *awilcox, even |
| 02:09.46 | Winny | set in the conf -advertise none |
| 02:09.48 | blast007 | I assume you want to use global login |
| 02:09.56 | blast007 | yeah, was just going to suggest that ;D |
| 02:09.57 | Winny | that way only people who know about it can join |
| 02:09.58 | blast007 | thanks Winny |
| 02:10.07 | blast007 | wasn't 100% sure if it was 'none' |
| 02:10.22 | Winny | ;D |
| 02:11.00 | Slynderdale | Winny: I'll try that |
| 02:11.14 | Slynderdale | Heres what I currently have http://pastebin.com/m2beb42dc |
| 02:11.36 | awilcox | whodaman: I do not fail, I just do everything all-or-nothing :p |
| 02:11.39 | whodaman | Slynderdale, you'll have to add the path to -world |
| 02:11.40 | Winny | never heard of -q :p |
| 02:12.13 | blast007 | -q might just block multicast stuff, but I'm not sure |
| 02:12.17 | whodaman | Winny, I used to run my servers with the sample config and had every possible setting :D |
| 02:12.23 | Slynderdale | whodaman: The world is in the same place as the config file and has no problems |
| 02:12.25 | Winny | good for you |
| 02:12.27 | blast007 | I would leave -q off, and just use the -advertise none |
| 02:12.54 | Slynderdale | blast007: Whats the benefits of leacing -q off? |
| 02:13.04 | Winny | just use -advertise none |
| 02:13.05 | blast007 | the fact that I don't really know what it does ;) |
| 02:13.24 | Winny | -q was probably for before global login or something |
| 02:13.33 | blast007 | yeah, I think it's been there for ages |
| 02:13.34 | Winny | globall groups* |
| 02:13.47 | whodaman | global* |
| 02:13.49 | whodaman | :p |
| 02:13.50 | blast007 | so my guess it only affects the LAN detection code |
| 02:14.35 | blast007 | hehe, yeah, it's even in 1.7g2 |
| 02:14.43 | Winny | hehe |
| 02:14.47 | awilcox | wowsers |
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| 02:16.49 | Winny | whee |
| 02:17.25 | blast007 | only two? get back to work! |
| 02:17.44 | awilcox | Winny: a port of windows vista to an 8088? |
| 02:17.45 | Winny | but mr. blast007, my head hurts! |
| 02:18.01 | Winny | awilcox, no. my mario clone :P |
| 02:18.13 | blast007 | Winny: switch to the spare |
| 02:18.16 | awilcox | Winny: ah, get it working? |
| 02:18.29 | Winny | no :P |
| 02:18.47 | Winny | all it does now is read the map file, store it in an array, and then render the objects |
| 02:19.58 | awilcox | ^ 1000s of man years of code, thrown away never to be used again. Now. Does two hours seem so bad? :) |
| 02:20.08 | Winny | yes :P |
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| 02:22.58 | awilcox | no! |
| 02:23.01 | awilcox | I need that for tomorrow D= |
| 02:23.23 | Winny | ~steal donny_baker awilcox |
| 02:23.23 | ibot | ACTION grabs donny_baker awilcox and gives it to winny |
| 02:23.27 | Winny | err |
| 02:23.30 | Winny | that failed |
| 02:23.30 | awilcox | lol. |
| 02:24.02 | blast007 | ~steal bacon |
| 02:24.03 | ibot | ACTION grabs bacon and gives it to blast007 |
| 02:24.08 | blast007 | I win |
| 02:24.12 | Slynderdale | Winny: HMM, SEEMS TO BE WORKING SO FAR, THANKS :) |
| 02:24.25 | Winny | Slynderdale: NO PROBLEM AT ALL :D |
| 02:24.31 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:24.35 | awilcox | ~steal blast007's bacon, give it to winny |
| 02:24.36 | ibot | ACTION grabs blast007's bacon, give it to winny and gives it to awilcox |
| 02:24.36 | Slynderdale | Winny: I hate my keyboard |
| 02:24.46 | Winny | lol |
| 02:24.47 | awilcox | haha! |
| 02:25.24 | Slynderdale | awilcox: Your map is cool but culd use a little fixing xD The teleports are a little akward and some bases are missing them |
| 02:25.41 | awilcox | don't remind me about the teleports =/ |
| 02:25.44 | awilcox | they suck. |
| 02:25.45 | Winny | oh my |
| 02:26.51 | Slynderdale | Hmm, anyone know of any maps I can try out thats good for Capture the Flag/Free for All? |
| 02:27.02 | Winny | HiX |
| 02:27.12 | awilcox | Can't go wrong with HiX. <3 |
| 02:27.29 | Winny | cotton eyed joe!... |
| 02:27.40 | awilcox | O_o |
| 02:27.41 | awilcox | o_O |
| 02:27.48 | Winny | you've never heard it? |
| 02:28.40 | awilcox | c/~ I'll be the eagle's flyin higher and higher! c/~ |
| 02:29.02 | blast007 | lower and lower! |
| 02:29.02 | awilcox | :o |
| 02:29.13 | Winny | lol |
| 02:29.26 | awilcox | Shooting eagles are illegal as they are endangered. |
| 02:29.32 | awilcox | ~arrest blast007 |
| 02:29.32 | ibot | http://blast007.wasarrested.com |
| 02:29.57 | awilcox | ...there is not an emoticon for what I am thinking right now |
| 02:29.57 | Winny | haha! |
| 02:30.09 | Winny | "Report: Blast007 arrested for indecent exposure!" |
| 02:30.35 | awilcox | hahahahahahaha |
| 02:30.36 | Winny | oh god, I didn't see the side column |
| 02:31.01 | Winny | "Blast007 Is A Transvestite: video" |
| 02:31.04 | Winny | o.O |
| 02:31.10 | awilcox | zomg |
| 02:31.17 | awilcox | VIDEO!? |
| 02:31.31 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:32.02 | a_meteorite | wait, what |
| 02:32.27 | Slynderdale | Whats a good, average acelleration limit for HIX? |
| 02:32.41 | Winny | none |
| 02:32.43 | a_meteorite | default? |
| 02:32.45 | Winny | -a 0 0 |
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| 03:00.31 | JeffM | zone even |
| 03:05.41 | awilcox | JeffM: Why? |
| 03:05.43 | awilcox | Fri Feb 29 22:05:26 EST 2008 |
| 03:05.58 | JeffM | cus it should be 8 |
| 03:06.03 | awilcox | It's 20:05:26 there. You're lucky. You can stay up until 4am my time and it'll only be *2* am there. |
| 03:06.08 | JeffM | well should be 6 |
| 03:06.19 | JeffM | but it's 7 |
| 03:06.34 | awilcox | Oh, you're in mountain time? |
| 03:06.38 | awilcox | I mean, pacific? |
| 03:07.12 | awilcox | JeffM: That's easily rectified; fly to Alaska, it's 6pm there :P |
| 03:07.14 | JeffM | AZ is pacific, but no daylight |
| 03:10.39 | JeffM | or I just drive home |
| 03:11.41 | me1 | huh, has this been seen before: some guy joins. i just die with it saying he killed me, and one of his bullets flys forward out of my tank. I spawn. repeat steps 2-4 |
| 03:11.53 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:11.57 | JeffM | it's a known issue |
| 03:12.18 | me1 | ok |
| 03:12.27 | JeffM | the server in svn for 2.0.x branch, has it fixed |
| 03:14.15 | JeffM | ok, well should prevent some of it |
| 03:14.41 | JeffM | it all comes down to trust on the client side |
| 03:17.47 | JeffM | if we get at least server side tracking of shots, we can send the shot ID with the kill message, and verify it. |
| 03:18.00 | JeffM | unless he's using the shot inside you spawn |
| 03:18.11 | JeffM | then that's already fixed in trunk IIRC |
| 03:18.51 | pacman87 | me1 was on my server, so i guess it |
| 03:18.58 | pacman87 | it's time to build 2.0.11 ;) |
| 03:19.39 | blast007 | me1: which server? |
| 03:20.02 | pacman87 | blast007: mine |
| 03:20.06 | blast007 | oh |
| 03:20.10 | blast007 | what version you running? |
| 03:20.14 | pacman87 | .10 |
| 03:20.21 | pacman87 | i'm getting .11 now |
| 03:20.33 | blast007 | hrm, I don't think there was a fix for that cheat then |
| 03:20.49 | pacman87 | .11 is latest, right? |
| 03:21.04 | blast007 | .11 doesn't refer to a specific version |
| 03:21.06 | JeffM | l43mrs spawn fix will limit one TK per explode time |
| 03:21.16 | blast007 | JeffM: it wasn't anything about a TK |
| 03:21.24 | JeffM | ahh |
| 03:21.27 | pacman87 | the cheat me1 was talking about is something different |
| 03:21.29 | JeffM | then it's the shot spawn |
| 03:21.30 | blast007 | it was a homing bullet |
| 03:21.35 | JeffM | ahh |
| 03:21.36 | pacman87 | blast007: yes |
| 03:21.41 | JeffM | spawn the shot inside the player? |
| 03:21.46 | blast007 | shooting from the position of the player ;) |
| 03:21.50 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:21.51 | blast007 | other player* |
| 03:21.59 | JeffM | thats fixed in trunk IIRC |
| 03:22.04 | blast007 | sorta |
| 03:22.30 | JeffM | the shot's postion is based on the shooters pos |
| 03:22.31 | blast007 | might be better now, but I was able to get around it even in trunk a while back |
| 03:23.11 | JeffM | unless they get it there with a shot update |
| 03:25.34 | pacman87 | is there a detailed log plugin or something to record and analyze cheats? |
| 03:25.48 | JeffM | nope |
| 03:25.55 | blast007 | pacman87: there is a recording system built into bzfs |
| 03:26.06 | blast007 | replay* |
| 03:26.08 | JeffM | but it's prety easy to figure out hwo they do things |
| 03:26.15 | JeffM | it's all just trust on the client |
| 03:26.22 | JeffM | we trust most of the things the client says |
| 03:31.00 | awilcox | no sanity checks? |
| 03:31.08 | JeffM | not really |
| 03:31.17 | JeffM | what would we check it against? |
| 03:31.37 | JeffM | why, it's not a failure in C++ coding style |
| 03:31.41 | JeffM | bzflag is a LAN game |
| 03:31.45 | JeffM | not an internet game |
| 03:31.55 | JeffM | it was writen when cheaters coudl be slaped |
| 03:32.12 | awilcox | _always_ _sanity_ _check_. and uh, check it against valid values? I don't know, there should be some way to check for cheating |
| 03:32.20 | JeffM | what is a valid value? |
| 03:32.32 | awilcox | Not inside the other player's tank? |
| 03:32.39 | JeffM | that is valid sometimes |
| 03:32.41 | JeffM | not others |
| 03:32.58 | JeffM | all the values are valid for certan states |
| 03:33.00 | awilcox | Only allow shots that come out of the source tank's barrel. I've never seen a bullet come out of anywhere else |
| 03:33.12 | JeffM | tha'ts what is happening |
| 03:33.16 | JeffM | the shot is coming out of the barrel |
| 03:33.26 | JeffM | just the barrel is moved to a new location very fast |
| 03:33.29 | JeffM | then put back |
| 03:33.37 | awilcox | oh. |
| 03:33.43 | blast007 | in 2.0.x you might not even have to do that |
| 03:33.51 | JeffM | yeah 2.0 just did a realy |
| 03:33.55 | JeffM | 3.0 uses the tank pos |
| 03:34.07 | JeffM | but checking for the tank pos to be sure it's "right" is not easy |
| 03:34.18 | JeffM | specialy when you have to take lag and packetloss into account. |
| 03:34.27 | awilcox | um.... don't allow the barrel to move so quickly? I don't know, I think I need to Use The Source<tm> and find out why the speed can't be limited to erase most of the cheats I see |
| 03:34.34 | JeffM | awilcox, that's the trick |
| 03:34.42 | blast007 | awilcox: that's harder than it sounds |
| 03:34.48 | JeffM | indeed |
| 03:34.51 | blast007 | for instance, teleporters ;) |
| 03:34.52 | JeffM | it's not impossible |
| 03:35.01 | awilcox | teleporters...good point |
| 03:35.30 | blast007 | and if you just check if they've teleported recently, that won't solve all of the cheat |
| 03:35.35 | blast007 | since they might have faked a teleport |
| 03:35.41 | JeffM | there are ways to minimise it |
| 03:36.09 | JeffM | basicly the only way to verify it is to also keep another copy of an unmodified state on the server |
| 03:36.11 | JeffM | and compare them |
| 03:36.16 | blast007 | one of the issues right now is that our 'state' is just 'what is the stuff like NOW' |
| 03:36.28 | blast007 | there's no history to check for sanity |
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| 03:36.39 | JeffM | well server does DR now, so that helps |
| 03:36.45 | blast007 | k |
| 03:36.46 | JeffM | the checks are better |
| 03:36.57 | JeffM | more peopel can leave the movment checks on in trunk |
| 03:37.02 | JeffM | in branch they are basiclky worthless |
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| 03:38.18 | BZFlagr71 | hello |
| 03:38.22 | JeffM | hello |
| 03:38.38 | BZFlagr71 | im back jeff |
| 03:38.45 | JeffM | umm ok |
| 03:38.59 | BZFlagr71 | my dads busy i cant ask him |
| 03:39.06 | JeffM | ok |
| 03:39.25 | BZFlagr71 | just stopping to say hi |
| 03:39.32 | JeffM | umm great.... |
| 03:39.53 | BZFlagr71 | sigonasr2 |
| 03:39.58 | BZFlagr71 | lol |
| 03:40.04 | sigonasr2 | Hello? Who are you/ |
| 03:40.21 | BZFlagr71 | im peter 4B hello sigo |
| 03:40.37 | sigonasr2 | I see |
| 03:41.44 | BZFlagr71 | catay |
| 03:41.53 | JeffM | dude, stop bugging people |
| 03:42.06 | awilcox | BZFlagr71: Before you ping me, could you not ping random people? |
| 03:42.28 | JeffM | I've goten reports that you have been anoying lots of people |
| 03:42.33 | awilcox | Only say a person's name if you have a real, valid reason for asking them a real, valid question. |
| 03:42.42 | BZFlagr71 | im not pinging people |
| 03:42.46 | BZFlagr71 | ok |
| 03:42.49 | JeffM | yes.. yes you are |
| 03:43.20 | BZFlagr71 | what do u mean ive been annoying people |
| 03:43.37 | awilcox | Saying a person's nickname or callsign here is called 'pinging' and it can get annoying. |
| 03:43.44 | JeffM | what from the reports, just anoying people |
| 03:43.50 | JeffM | asking them things |
| 03:43.51 | BZFlagr71 | ok |
| 03:43.55 | JeffM | with no reason |
| 03:43.59 | BZFlagr71 | like annoying who |
| 03:44.15 | JeffM | use a /msg if you want to talk to someone |
| 03:44.20 | awilcox | BZFlagr71: Annoying the ops, mostly :P |
| 03:44.31 | JeffM | BZFlagr71, are you an admin asker? |
| 03:45.11 | BZFlagr71 | yes i never knew that u are not supossed toask to be an admin |
| 03:45.18 | BZFlagr71 | ok |
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| 03:45.38 | JeffM | how would you like it if someone constantly asked you if they use your stuff? |
| 03:45.56 | BZFlagr71 | i never knew u cant do that ok |
| 03:46.00 | awilcox | Also, BZFlagr71. This is a professional developer's channel; please use full English words (as in, use the word 'you' not 'u') when speaking here. |
| 03:46.01 | JeffM | it's common sense |
| 03:46.13 | JeffM | BZFlagr71, this is why I say I feel you are too immature |
| 03:46.37 | BZFlagr71 | i just found out about it a day or so after i asked them to be one |
| 03:46.49 | Slon02 | I doubt that they still are after 2 years, but are the zombie version servers still up? |
| 03:47.19 | BZFlagr71 | ok |
| 03:49.14 | BZFlagr71 | what else am i doing besides asking to be an admin |
| 03:49.25 | JeffM | just being anoying |
| 03:49.31 | hwilde | dude you don't know how to be admin? it's alt+f4 |
| 03:49.38 | JeffM | hwilde, be nice |
| 03:49.50 | Slon02 | So nobody knows? Ok, I'll guess thats a 'no' then |
| 03:49.53 | JeffM | BZFlagr71, from what I hear you are bugging people in PMs a lot |
| 03:50.03 | BZFlagr71 | like how |
| 03:50.13 | JeffM | well think about it |
| 03:50.15 | hwilde | you are giving him the attention he desires... |
| 03:50.24 | BZFlagr71 | you heard from longhair |
| 03:50.26 | JeffM | how many PMs do you send out to people a week? |
| 03:50.33 | Slon02 | BZFlagr71, you become an admin by being on servers and not trying to become an admin |
| 03:50.36 | JeffM | PMs that are unsollicted? |
| 03:50.38 | BZFlagr71 | 2or 3 g2g |
| 03:51.14 | awilcox | BZFlagr71: Normally, people ask before querying someone. It helps you seem polite, which is very important to succeed in life. |
| 03:51.20 | awilcox | Aw man he's gone. |
| 03:52.11 | awilcox | Maybe I am being extremely naieve, but my niceness seems to have a bit of an effect on him...maybe he is just stupid and needs guidance...or he's an evil troll and I'm really wrong. |
| 03:52.24 | JeffM | I don't htink he's evil |
| 03:52.28 | JeffM | just young |
| 03:52.31 | JeffM | very young |
| 03:53.04 | hwilde | need some classic servers man |
| 03:53.27 | JeffM | so run one |
| 03:54.05 | hwilde | thats like so much work |
| 03:54.12 | hwilde | i dont want all these noobs asking me to be admin |
| 03:54.24 | awilcox | hwilde: Then it obviously isn't worth it to you to run a classic server. Moving along... |
| 03:54.46 | hwilde | actually it is worth it to me that I would donate the money |
| 03:54.52 | awilcox | I have some files to copy off the server before I make it not the server anymore. anybody know why the Windows UI locks during network file transfers? |
| 03:54.52 | Slon02 | So then, if zombie mode is not being run on a server, does anyone know where I can find it? |
| 03:54.55 | hwilde | but I dont have time to play and admin, I just want to play |
| 03:54.56 | JeffM | hwilde, to who? |
| 03:55.08 | JeffM | servers are NOT run by the project |
| 03:55.35 | hwilde | but you could setup like a server farm and take donations |
| 03:55.45 | JeffM | that's like too much work |
| 03:55.46 | awilcox | hwilde: also, HiX and pillbox aren't classic enough? Maybe I haven't been here long enough. |
| 03:55.47 | JeffM | ;) |
| 03:55.55 | hwilde | nobody is in hix or pillbox atm |
| 03:55.59 | JeffM | hwilde, the issue is that someone woudl have to do that work |
| 03:56.07 | JeffM | some have talked about it |
| 03:56.09 | JeffM | none have done it |
| 03:56.16 | Slon02 | Pillbox is up with quite a few people |
| 03:56.34 | hwilde | it's 2v3 |
| 03:56.37 | hwilde | what fun is that in pillobx |
| 03:56.40 | awilcox | hwilde: I will play with you on HiX once my stupid file transfer |
| 03:56.43 | JeffM | find a server admin, pay them |
| 03:56.45 | awilcox | +is done |
| 03:56.52 | Slon02 | you join and its 3v3 |
| 03:56.59 | hwilde | hey somebody put boxy war |
| 03:56.59 | JeffM | it'd be a private arangement, not donations |
| 03:57.04 | JeffM | how much money you talking about? |
| 03:57.19 | a_meteorite | boxy war can only be hosted by permission, hwilde :) |
| 03:57.26 | hwilde | no I mean it is up |
| 03:57.28 | hwilde | right now |
| 03:57.30 | Slon02 | where have I heard that before met.. |
| 03:57.41 | JeffM | Slon02, from it's author |
| 03:57.41 | hwilde | everybody go play at boxy war |
| 03:58.01 | Slon02 | Well that tells me that you can at least hear me |
| 03:58.32 | JeffM | Slon02, everyone can hear you, just noone cared to asnwer your other questions. |
| 03:58.44 | Slon02 | ok |
| 03:58.51 | Slon02 | Servers don't live 2 years anyway |
| 03:59.01 | JeffM | only VERY good ones |
| 03:59.26 | awilcox | my server is already 9 years old...I guess I just take care of it well |
| 03:59.36 | JeffM | awilcox, running the same setup of bzflag? |
| 03:59.50 | awilcox | Oh. |
| 04:00.02 | awilcox | Well uh. |
| 04:00.16 | JeffM | Slon02 seems to be equating hardware too server map/setup |
| 04:00.36 | Slon02 | ? |
| 04:00.44 | JeffM | there are servers that run over 2 years |
| 04:00.50 | JeffM | but not always with the same setup |
| 04:00.57 | awilcox | You mean awilcox is equating hardware to server map/setup. |
| 04:01.00 | JeffM | setups/maps evolve |
| 04:01.21 | JeffM | awilcox, no you were using the correct term of server |
| 04:01.29 | JeffM | I'm sure your server has been up for that long |
| 04:01.31 | awilcox | Ohhhh. |
| 04:02.15 | JeffM | some people equate map to server as well |
| 04:05.03 | Slynderdale | awilcox: We should play a quick 1 on 1 later ;) |
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| 04:06.53 | Slynderdale | Anyone have a good config file for HIX? Like for gravity, ect and tweaking the jump height? |
| 04:06.57 | awilcox | Slynderdale: we can. |
| 04:07.24 | awilcox | Slynderdale: A guy on #AWOS-OffTopic has a really nice HiX setup...not sure if he's on atm |
| 04:07.26 | whodaman- | Slynderdale, don't even change that |
| 04:07.36 | whodaman- | Just leave the default settings |
| 04:07.47 | whodaman- | hix, 2 teams, no superflags :) |
| 04:07.51 | awilcox | I think he used Tim's own HiX setup, iirc. |
| 04:08.04 | awilcox | 4 teams! |
| 04:08.13 | Slynderdale | whodaman-: Eh, the jumping height is a bt off with the default settings and make platform jumping difficult |
| 04:08.44 | whodaman- | don't change those variables.. |
| 04:08.46 | awilcox | Slynderdale: If you are using the same one as bzf.bzflag.org, then the problem is, as nice as I can say, you :P |
| 04:09.03 | JeffM | hix was made for standard settings |
| 04:09.18 | whodaman- | exactly |
| 04:09.49 | blast007 | it's been around since before BZDB variables :P |
| 04:09.59 | pacman87 | which PDCurses do i need for v2_0branch in VC8? |
| 04:10.11 | awilcox | My map had a bit of influence from HiX. |
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| 04:10.32 | JeffM | pacman87, one that works in vc8;) |
| 04:10.44 | JeffM | pacman87, but just for the server, you don't need bzadmin |
| 04:11.28 | pacman87 | right, but i was thinking of some improvements to bzadmin i wanted to try out eventually |
| 04:11.39 | JeffM | ahh |
| 04:11.53 | pacman87 | from the SF page, there's pdc33dlls, -dllu, -dllw, and -dll |
| 04:12.03 | blast007 | I build my own pdcurses ;) |
| 04:12.11 | JeffM | you want the dll that comes with a .lib |
| 04:12.41 | awilcox | there should be a readme. I'm guessing dlls is source, u is unicode, w is wine, and just plain -dll has just dll |
| 04:12.44 | blast007 | speaking of improvements to bzadmin, I should commit the clear button I added |
| 04:12.46 | pacman87 | i got the .dll, and it has curses.h, panel.h, pdcurses.dll, and pdcurses.lib |
| 04:12.56 | blast007 | clears all the messages from the buffer for the Curses UI |
| 04:12.57 | awilcox | pacman87: bada bing, there ya go. |
| 04:13.09 | pacman87 | ok, thanks for the help |
| 04:14.28 | pacman87 | one last (hopefully) thing: the readme says i 'may' need zlib.dll. do i just try it and see if it works without? |
| 04:14.46 | JeffM | you will probably need it |
| 04:16.49 | blast007 | awilcox: or you could use it for AOL dial-up! |
| 04:17.22 | JeffM | awilcox, cus you don't trust the inernet? |
| 04:17.51 | awilcox | blast007: Yeah right. |
| 04:18.20 | awilcox | JeffM: eh. I was just free-thinking. stop being so realistic and start enjoying the funness :p |
| 04:18.35 | JeffM | I've actualy set it up before |
| 04:18.39 | JeffM | it's very feasable |
| 04:18.49 | JeffM | just SLOW |
| 04:18.56 | JeffM | and unrelyable |
| 04:19.14 | JeffM | many phone lines won't handle dialup anymore, since it's all digitized |
| 04:19.16 | awilcox | well yeah it'd be slow, 47600bps or whatever isn't exactly speed-daemon. |
| 04:19.24 | JeffM | you'll never get that speed |
| 04:19.35 | JeffM | and at least 300ms latency |
| 04:19.37 | awilcox | 9600bps? yay for bbs :p |
| 04:20.01 | awilcox | well remote desktop would be suck...and that's all I'd probably use it for...so meh, guess not. |
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| 04:21.58 | awilcox | yeah, RDP. That. |
| 04:22.41 | bryjen | its the Remote DTRemenak Protocol |
| 04:22.55 | blast007 | hehe |
| 04:23.05 | awilcox | Ah. Was that release in the Microsoft Open thing? ;) |
| 04:23.05 | JeffM | he is a child of the net |
| 04:23.22 | JeffM | he's lain's brother |
| 04:24.58 | awilcox | Hm. |
| 04:25.34 | awilcox | I have to move 62GB of data through the network, format a 100GB hard disk, install Windows Server 2003 on it, then format part of a 500GB disk, and install XP x64 on it. In two and a half hours. think I can do it? |
| 04:26.13 | pacman87 | all on the same machine? |
| 04:26.26 | awilcox | pacman87: no, the 100 and 500 are separate machines |
| 04:26.40 | awilcox | but 2003 has to be installed to preserve the SIDs before I can wipe the 500 |
| 04:27.23 | pacman87 | what build target should i be using for 2.0.11 in VC8? |
| 04:27.36 | awilcox | prolly release, unless you want debug. |
| 04:28.02 | awilcox | er oops, not 62, it was 66. and now it's down to 65G. |
| 04:29.36 | pacman87 | what's different about release_pdcurses? does it use pdcurses, or exclude it? |
| 04:29.48 | JeffM | uses it |
| 04:29.52 | JeffM | release is semi busted |
| 04:30.00 | JeffM | and compiles it but dosn't use it |
| 04:30.15 | pacman87 | so i should use release_pdcurses? |
| 04:30.20 | JeffM | no |
| 04:30.26 | JeffM | well, if youw ant curses yes |
| 04:30.42 | JeffM | if you don't you can disable the two curses fire |
| 04:30.44 | JeffM | files |
| 04:31.01 | pacman87 | what's 'semi-busted' mean? |
| 04:31.39 | JeffM | that it compiles the 2 curses files, but dosn't link or enable pdcurses |
| 04:32.25 | JeffM | so you need the headers, but it dosn't use em |
| 04:32.55 | pacman87 | all i really want right now is a working 2.0.11 bzfs.exe |
| 04:33.06 | pacman87 | what's the best/easies way to do that? |
| 04:33.19 | JeffM | right click on the bzfs project, and hit build |
| 04:33.45 | pacman87 | what target? |
| 04:33.54 | JeffM | any |
| 04:34.02 | JeffM | well any release |
| 04:36.13 | Slynderdale | http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&thread.id=2534367 Damn :o Now I'm jealous |
| 04:43.23 | pacman87 | JeffM: Build: 8 succeeded, 1 failed |
| 04:43.32 | JeffM | what failed? |
| 04:43.50 | JeffM | do you have curl? |
| 04:44.25 | pacman87 | yes |
| 04:44.39 | pacman87 | what's the pastebin link? |
| 04:44.47 | JeffM | pastebin.bzflag.bz |
| 04:45.30 | pacman87 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m72756b77 |
| 04:45.32 | JeffM | want me just to build you one? |
| 04:46.01 | pacman87 | part of the fun is doing it myself |
| 04:46.02 | JeffM | you are using VC8 EE arn't you? |
| 04:46.05 | pacman87 | yes |
| 04:46.17 | JeffM | you didn't install and configure the platform SDK did you? |
| 04:46.31 | pacman87 | i compiled 2.99 without problems |
| 04:46.50 | JeffM | you are missing windows core stuff |
| 04:48.46 | pacman87 | 2.0 uses a different platform sdk than 2.99? |
| 04:50.33 | JeffM | no |
| 04:52.16 | JeffM | but you can't find MessageBox |
| 04:52.26 | JeffM | that's part of the platform SDK |
| 04:52.30 | JeffM | what target did you build? |
| 04:53.51 | pacman87 | release_pdcurses |
| 04:53.57 | JeffM | use regular release |
| 04:54.00 | pacman87 | ok |
| 04:54.46 | pacman87 | what's _modern and _modernp3? |
| 04:54.58 | JeffM | old attempts at various optimisations |
| 04:55.11 | JeffM | they arnt' used anymore since VC8 only does blended code |
| 04:57.25 | JeffM | thats why we pulled them for trunk |
| 05:00.31 | pacman87 | JeffM: looks like the same 15 errors again |
| 05:00.43 | JeffM | wierd |
| 05:01.59 | pacman87 | might help if i read the readme... i didn't add teh path to the NSIS installer builder |
| 05:02.28 | JeffM | dosn't matter |
| 05:02.32 | JeffM | you arn't building the installer |
| 05:02.52 | JeffM | your problem is libs |
| 05:07.38 | hwilde | good game on BoxyWar :) come play |
| 05:32.17 | blast007 | alright, who cut the fiber line? |
| 05:32.25 | JeffM | your mom |
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| 05:33.05 | Slynderdale | blast007: It was an accident :( |
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| 05:34.50 | blast007 | hi dadinator |
| 05:35.10 | dadinator | hey.. i'm looking for swigg |
| 05:35.41 | blast007 | if they're registered on the forum, you can PM them |
| 05:36.02 | blast007 | I don't see anyone by that name here |
| 05:36.20 | dadinator | neither do i.. |
| 05:36.48 | blast007 | if you PM them on the forum, they'll (typically) receive an email alerting them to the message |
| 05:37.31 | dadinator | kinda new here |
| 05:37.38 | dadinator | trying to find 'em |
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| 05:47.10 | pacman87 | JeffM: i'd still like to get 2.0 to compile, but until then, if you could make me a current bzfs.exe, that'd be great |
| 05:48.49 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/code/bzfs.zip |
| 05:49.00 | JeffM | well now |
| 05:49.06 | JeffM | it just finished uploading |
| 05:50.38 | pacman87 | ~JeffM++ |
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| 06:18.36 | dadinator | back..thansk JeffM for the info |
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| 06:57.32 | Slynderdale | You know what would be fun? A nuke flag. ;p Fires a projectile that takes a long time to reload but when it hits something, it creates a shockwave like flash. |
| 06:58.31 | a_meteorite | I believe it has been suggested before, but I am not aware if it was accepted, rejected, or pending |
| 06:59.42 | blast007 | too much like shockwave |
| 07:00.20 | a_meteorite | well, if it was a small shockwave.. ;) |
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| 07:02.01 | Slynderdale | A flamethrower flag with a short range flame but has a wide arc in front of the cannon? |
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| 07:02.48 | a_meteorite | Personally I've always wanted a shotgun flag |
| 07:02.54 | blast007 | I want a cow launcher |
| 07:03.02 | a_meteorite | Uses x amount of bullets to spread in x radius |
| 07:03.11 | Slynderdale | blast007: Yes! |
| 07:03.12 | a_meteorite | And x reload ratio |
| 07:03.18 | a_meteorite | blast007: you've played Postal 2 too long |
| 07:03.49 | pacman81 | a_meteorite: scroll wheel to fire while turning works well enough |
| 07:03.56 | blast007 | there is no cow launcher in Postal 2 |
| 07:04.00 | a_meteorite | pacman81: it's the thought that counts :) |
| 07:04.02 | blast007 | cow head, yes, but no launcher |
| 07:04.07 | a_meteorite | blast007: haha... |
| 07:04.20 | Slynderdale | a_meteorite: Hmm, a mortar flag? It shoots a projectile up in an arc and causes an explosion where it lands or if it hits something in mid air and could be fired over buildings |
| 07:04.32 | a_meteorite | that would be interesting... |
| 07:04.44 | AAA_awright | It has been rejected, "too complex" |
| 07:05.29 | AAA_awright | I like the shotgun though. I thought you could shoot, say, 3 bullets and use only 2. Or something. |
| 07:06.30 | a_meteorite | yes, which is why it could be controlled via bzdb |
| 07:06.51 | Slynderdale | Hmm, a telsa electricty gun? If fired at a tank, if others are near by (Ally or enemy) the electricty would jump from the inital tank to the next and so on. Each jump using a shot. |
| 07:06.52 | blast007 | too cowplex! |
| 07:07.25 | blast007 | Slynderdale: I'd rather see less cheats than more flags |
| 07:07.36 | a_meteorite | ~pw |
| 07:07.36 | ibot | it has been said that patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 07:07.51 | blast007 | a_meteorite: I don't have to write patches though ;) |
| 07:08.03 | a_meteorite | sure you write a patch, but you commit your patch instead |
| 07:09.03 | Slynderdale | blast007: Well, problem is, the client is open source and can be modified all someone wants. Also most everything that happens are checked clientside. The only way to prevent most cheating is have the server do all the checks like hit detection, death, flags, ect |
| 07:09.26 | blast007 | Slynderdale: right, I already know that ;) |
| 07:09.36 | a_meteorite | Slynderdale: he is a dev, y'know ;) |
| 07:09.52 | blast007 | nah, they probably didn't know |
| 07:11.20 | brlcad | woooooo |
| 07:12.25 | a_meteorite | brlcad, huh? |
| 07:12.46 | brlcad | nada olvidao muchacho |
| 07:12.57 | AAA_awright | Slynderdale: Wow, great idea |
| 07:13.33 | brlcad | hello AAA_awright |
| 07:13.38 | AAA_awright | Maybe, when you shoot a tank, and the tank explodes, it lets out a bunch of bolts in the direction of surrounding tanks |
| 07:13.41 | AAA_awright | Hi brlcad |
| 07:14.04 | a_meteorite | maybe all the bullets left in the tank you shot's reload counter |
| 07:14.07 | AAA_awright | You get points for all of them, of course. |
| 07:14.10 | a_meteorite | that would be really neat.... |
| 07:14.13 | blast007 | hehe |
| 07:14.14 | AAA_awright | Yeah |
| 07:14.35 | a_meteorite | randomly spun though, not just ground bullets, could go in the air |
| 07:14.44 | a_meteorite | and don't want the process to continue, only for tanks you directly shoot |
| 07:15.03 | a_meteorite | I bet that'd get rejected though :( |
| 07:15.20 | brlcad | most flag ideas have been thought of already to some capacity... |
| 07:15.35 | brlcad | if you think you have somethitng new, put it up on the wiki |
| 07:15.51 | brlcad | read the other flagt ideas on the wiki first though |
| 07:16.00 | a_meteorite | yeah there are some repeats on there brlcad |
| 07:16.02 | brlcad | make sure its' not already suggested |
| 07:16.16 | brlcad | a_meteorite: if they are *true* repeats, you shoudl condense them |
| 07:16.49 | brlcad | if the variation is really really minor then condense to one and make a note of the confg diff |
| 07:17.48 | Slynderdale | Hmm, on pick up powerups/flags that have a one shot use? Like if you touch a powerup flag you could have all your ammo reloaded, randomly teleported to another point on the map, have all your ammo depleted, ect |
| 07:18.02 | a_meteorite | I think teleportation was denied |
| 07:18.08 | brlcad | wow .. lot of chatter and not much said |
| 07:18.39 | a_meteorite | brlcad: a paradox! |
| 07:20.54 | brlcad | hamas! |
| 07:21.31 | brlcad | jamas |
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| 07:31.12 | Tupone | A male hugs :) |
| 07:31.37 | Tupone | I remember the first time I asked for what it means |
| 07:37.23 | brlcad | :) |
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| 07:47.32 | Mets | hey, if anybody is here and can help, i'm having a problem compiling the 2.0 branch |
| 07:47.59 | Mets | i ran autogen then tried to configure, and it says it's missing install.sh in the /misc folder |
| 07:48.19 | Mets | but there's no install.sh file on sourceforge |
| 07:49.25 | AAA_awright | I wasn't aware of an install.sh :/ |
| 07:49.35 | AAA_awright | ./autogen.sh && ./configure && make |
| 07:49.40 | AAA_awright | that doesn't work? |
| 07:49.52 | Mets | nope |
| 07:49.57 | Mets | fails at configure, says no install.sh |
| 07:50.10 | Mets | i looked in the 2.0.10 source and there is some install.sh file in there |
| 07:50.19 | Mets | I tried just adding that but it doesn't like it |
| 07:52.18 | Tupone | Mets: what you downloaded ? |
| 07:52.40 | Mets | i did svn co https://...v2_0branch |
| 07:52.59 | Mets | it seems to have downloaded everything that was up there, but it won't configure without this file for some reason |
| 07:53.07 | Tupone | ahh, do you have automake & autoconf ? and what version? |
| 07:53.36 | Mets | automake? not sure |
| 07:54.09 | Mets | uh yeah i just typed in "automake" and it said I do |
| 07:55.16 | Tupone | and libtool too? |
| 07:55.40 | Mets | yes sorry, when i run autogen it finds automake, autoconf, libtool |
| 07:56.17 | Tupone | try to run "autoreconf -I m4" |
| 07:56.37 | Mets | with configure.ac? |
| 07:57.26 | Tupone | hmm? just go to the directory that have the README.* and type that line |
| 07:57.36 | Mets | k one sec |
| 07:59.39 | Tupone | automake --version |
| 08:00.41 | Mets | ok for autoconf i got a whole bunch of errors |
| 08:00.53 | Mets | about undefind macros |
| 08:01.27 | Mets | and i have automake version 1.7.3 |
| 08:01.37 | Tupone | ahh, what distro you are on? |
| 08:01.55 | Mets | suse |
| 08:02.28 | Mets | version 10 |
| 08:02.28 | Tupone | ok, I guess you need newer automake, but try to run ./configure in the same directory |
| 08:03.36 | Mets | configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in misc ./misc |
| 08:04.14 | Mets | i can compile 2.0.10 fine though for some reason |
| 08:04.29 | Mets | only difference i've seen is file install.sh is actually there |
| 08:05.37 | Tupone | can you try to install a new automake on your system? or try to see if automake-1.10 is there |
| 08:06.18 | Mets | i can't, i don't have root access :( |
| 08:08.30 | Tupone | when you run autoreconf, automake does not say anything about install-sh ? |
| 08:09.46 | Mets | it did give me a bunch of errors about missing macros, but nothing regarding install.sh |
| 08:10.01 | Mets | err, undefined macros |
| 08:10.32 | Tupone | autoreconf -I m4 -i (try this, should add missing files, but it should have told ) |
| 08:11.54 | Mets | nope |
| 08:11.58 | Tupone | rpm -qa | grep automake |
| 08:12.19 | Mets | 1.9.5.3 |
| 08:12.36 | Tupone | you told you have 1.7 |
| 08:12.39 | Mets | automake-1.9.5-3 |
| 08:12.48 | Mets | that's what it says when i ran autogen.sh |
| 08:13.09 | Mets | Found GNU Automake version 1.7.3 |
| 08:13.21 | Tupone | automake --version you told it said 1.7.3 |
| 08:13.33 | Mets | right, i'm just relaying the output |
| 08:13.38 | Tupone | installed automake you told is 1.9.5 |
| 08:13.46 | Tupone | type automake |
| 08:14.08 | Mets | k typed automake |
| 08:14.19 | Tupone | type type automake |
| 08:14.52 | Mets | automake is hashed (/usr/local/bin/automake) |
| 08:14.59 | Tupone | ahhh |
| 08:15.13 | Tupone | local bin :) why ? |
| 08:15.37 | Mets | not sure, it's a server and I don't run it, i just have access |
| 08:15.44 | Mets | non-root |
| 08:15.44 | Tupone | you should remove that from the path, at least temporaryly |
| 08:17.24 | Mets | yeah i don't think i have enough access to do that |
| 08:17.31 | Mets | maybe I should just stick with 2.0.10 |
| 08:17.44 | Tupone | export PATH=${PATH/\:\/usr\/local\/bin} |
| 08:18.17 | Tupone | and then "echo $PATH" here |
| 08:19.20 | Mets | k it's a huge amount |
| 08:19.43 | Tupone | is there "local" somewhere? |
| 08:20.10 | Mets | yeah a few refrences |
| 08:20.21 | Tupone | how many lines are? |
| 08:21.03 | Mets | 3 |
| 08:21.13 | Tupone | you can paste those here then |
| 08:22.39 | Mets | @sys/local/lib: |
| 08:23.09 | Mets | support/synplicity/sun4_55/image/usr/local/synplcty/bin |
| 08:23.24 | Tupone | ok, if only this, you can do autoreconf again |
| 08:23.32 | Mets | :/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/tetex/bin: |
| 08:23.40 | Mets | k |
| 08:23.41 | Tupone | ok, do it |
| 08:24.05 | Tupone | type type automake again ? |
| 08:24.19 | Mets | just autoreconf or with other options |
| 08:24.41 | Mets | automake is /usr/bin/automake |
| 08:24.44 | Tupone | ok |
| 08:24.54 | Tupone | do autoreconf with all the options I told |
| 08:25.31 | Mets | Not enough arguments for mkdir at /usr/bin/autoreconf line 500, near "$aux_dir |
| 08:25.31 | Mets | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.32 | Mets | Execution of /usr/bin/autoreconf aborted due to compilation errors. |
| 08:26.34 | Tupone | try running autogen |
| 08:27.14 | Mets | Found GNU Autoconf version 2.59 |
| 08:27.14 | Mets | Found GNU Automake version 1.9.5 |
| 08:27.18 | Mets | so that's better |
| 08:27.38 | Mets | and now install-sh is there |
| 08:27.43 | Tupone | ok |
| 08:27.52 | Mets | k let's try to configure? |
| 08:27.54 | Tupone | yep |
| 08:28.33 | Mets | sweet works |
| 08:28.42 | Mets | thanks Tupone |
| 08:28.53 | Tupone | yw |
| 08:29.04 | Mets | what was the problem? I don't see what we fixed, just changed path variable? |
| 08:29.09 | Tupone | yeah |
| 08:29.22 | Tupone | I removed an old version of automake from the path |
| 08:29.48 | Mets | kewl, i have no idea how to do that but let's hope this works |
| 08:30.16 | Mets | darn there was an error with make |
| 08:30.25 | Mets | but i did make && make install so it went right to install |
| 08:30.30 | Tupone | Probably you don't need to change that again, as automake is used only for the startup. |
| 08:30.36 | Tupone | export PATH=${PATH/\:\/usr\/local\/bin} |
| 08:30.39 | Tupone | did that |
| 08:31.11 | Mets | cool, just removed the local bin refrence |
| 08:35.51 | Mets | k just installing now, we'll see what we end up with |
| 08:37.59 | Mets | g++: /usr/lib/libcurl.a: No such file or directory |
| 08:37.59 | Mets | make[2]: *** [bzfs] Error 1 |
| 08:37.59 | Mets | make[2]: Leaving directory `/.../bzflag-source/bzflag/src/bzfs' |
| 08:38.25 | Mets | i got the man folder and the share folder to install, then i got the above error |
| 08:41.08 | Tupone | eheh, another day .. your curl installation is messed I guess |
| 08:41.52 | Mets | k thanks for trying |
| 08:42.19 | Mets | I'm just gonna delete the whole thing and start again |
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| 10:08.43 | utrrrongeeb | Does BZFlag work on dial-up internet, does it refuse, or do you get blasted to bits because of the lag? :) |
| 10:11.46 | Tupone | I used to play from dial-up. It add some lag, but if you are enough near to server, I think is acceptable. Depend on the server characterists, number of shot, speed ... |
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| 10:27.46 | utrrrongeeb | Is BZFlag still being developed? (btw, Thanks for the response, Tupone) |
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| 10:28.13 | Tupone | well, some think it is |
| 10:29.04 | utrrrongeeb | Do you think the development with start again at some point in the future? |
| 10:29.45 | Tupone | if you see, the 2.0.10 went out just some months ago |
| 10:30.35 | a_meteorite | utrrrongeeb: Yes, work is being done on 2.99.x, which will be released as 3.0 |
| 10:30.58 | a_meteorite | 2.0 has been discontinued feature wise, the only releases will be to fix critical bugs |
| 10:32.02 | utrrrongeeb | Ah... So 2.0.10 was out ~6 months ago, but development is going on behind the scenes for 3.0? |
| 10:33.01 | utrrrongeeb | How hard is it to fight a human player compared to the robots? |
| 10:33.25 | Tupone | hmm, some humans are very very hard |
| 10:34.05 | a_meteorite | If you can't beat a robot, very very hard :) |
| 10:34.36 | utrrrongeeb | Are robots easier to fight close up or far away? |
| 10:34.44 | a_meteorite | I can easily beat up a 50:1 kill ratio on a dozen robots with only myself to fend... |
| 10:35.27 | a_meteorite | It depends on the map |
| 10:35.50 | a_meteorite | The only thing about robots is that they shoot with dead on accuracy. You must stay on your toes and avoid jumps. Engaging further away is usually preferable. |
| 10:35.58 | utrrrongeeb | Any strategy tips? ;) As you can tell, all I've fought are robots, and it's more accurate to say that _they_ fought _me_. |
| 10:36.06 | utrrrongeeb | Okay, thanks! (for the info) |
| 10:36.27 | a_meteorite | Did you use -solo robots? Or auto pilot? |
| 10:36.46 | a_meteorite | Auto pilot is considerably harder because they know how to jump among other things |
| 10:37.44 | utrrrongeeb | How do you make an autopilot robot? |
| 10:38.06 | a_meteorite | Press 9 |
| 10:39.10 | utrrrongeeb | But that makes _you_ a robot? So you launch another client? |
| 10:39.21 | a_meteorite | Yes |
| 10:40.23 | awilcox | grr...stupid thing requires an APIC! Qemu needs an overhaul >_> |
| 10:40.26 | awilcox | Oops, ww. |
| 10:40.28 | a_meteorite | utrrrongeeb: Does your callsign happen to be Beenz by any chance? |
| 10:41.07 | utrrrongeeb | Okay, thanks... |
| 10:41.22 | awilcox | He doesn't answer therefore he is :p |
| 10:41.29 | a_meteorite | Heh |
| 10:41.40 | utrrrongeeb | a_meteorite: I've never used BZFlag over this dial-up internet connection, so it can't be me. |
| 10:41.59 | a_meteorite | I was asking is because I read the topic. I applaud that person for sticking with it and dealing with the few that can be miserable. |
| 10:42.02 | utrrrongeeb | a_meteorite: Do you have any experience with dial-up connections and BZFlag? |
| 10:43.01 | a_meteorite | utrrrongeeb: I've played BZFlag mostly from DSL and cable, but for about a week while we moved I only had dial-up. I hosted 2 players comfortably on this, and iirc, I could play on servers "fine" - albeit, about twice or less the lag of my DSL. |
| 10:43.18 | a_meteorite | The only way you'd know is by trying it. |
| 10:44.03 | a_meteorite | If you don't connect up at at least 40+k, I could imagine problems. Or if there are 30 players on the server that could be bad. Also avoid high shots (no, 10 shots with lots of people would not be good). |
| 10:44.19 | a_meteorite | Just gotta experiment and try, you won't break anything by trying. :) |
| 10:44.23 | utrrrongeeb | What was that about the topic? This connection is 24 kbps |
| 10:45.48 | a_meteorite | Hmmm, that might be a bit painful. |
| 10:46.20 | utrrrongeeb | What were you saying about the topic? |
| 10:46.40 | a_meteorite | Instead of joining the top 2 servers, go down a bit. Play on servers that have less than 20 players and 5 shots. Should be OK, as long as the server isn't another continent... |
| 10:46.47 | a_meteorite | What topic? |
| 10:48.38 | utrrrongeeb | You said you asked because you read the topic. |
| 10:49.24 | a_meteorite | I didn't ask anything because of reading a topic... unless you mean the dial-up topic... |
| 10:49.36 | a_meteorite | You mean the channel topic? |
| 10:50.36 | utrrrongeeb | I'm not certain. Just wondering, but do you know anything about BZFlag's joystick support? |
| 10:51.12 | a_meteorite | I do not own a joystick but I have heard about people that do use a joystick. |
| 10:53.03 | Tupone | I use a joystick |
| 10:54.17 | utrrrongeeb | I have a joystick. It works with SuperTuxKart and FlightGear. It lets me steer, but not drive, in BZFlag. Any tips? |
| 10:54.48 | Tupone | go on the input menu and try to change the axis |
| 10:55.24 | ts | Ciao Tupone |
| 10:55.27 | a_meteorite | Good luck utrrrongeeb, you'll enjoy BZFlag. You're in good hands here as long as some people are awake. :) |
| 10:55.37 | Tupone | hallo ts |
| 10:56.01 | ts | Tupone: Out of curiousity: Can you steer how fast the tank drives with joystick? |
| 10:56.31 | Tupone | depends on my hand |
| 10:56.43 | utrrrongeeb | Tupone: Thanks, but last time I checked it said N/A in the axis settings, but steering worked anyway. |
| 10:57.18 | ts | Is it smooth, like with mouse, or only not moving, a bit forward and fast forward like with keyboard? |
| 10:57.33 | Tupone | it is smooth |
| 10:57.40 | ts | Wow |
| 10:57.52 | Tupone | Analog joystick |
| 10:58.50 | Tupone | utrrrongeeb: do you have a joystick selected on the menu? |
| 10:59.29 | ts | Does it go back into neutral position after stopping to touch it? |
| 10:59.43 | Tupone | yep |
| 10:59.45 | utrrrongeeb | You mean the Input Method (keyboard, mouse, joystick, auto) menu? |
| 10:59.52 | Tupone | not that |
| 11:00.37 | Tupone | Joystick Device |
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| 11:04.52 | utrrrongeeb | Could you explain? I have to leave soon... |
| 11:05.23 | Tupone | Should be an entry on the Options-> Input menu called Joystick Device |
| 11:05.33 | Tupone | You should have your joystick selected there |
| 11:05.46 | utrrrongeeb | Okay. Thanks, but I have to leave. Now. |
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| 12:45.44 | whodaman- | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12317 wrong forums |
| 12:55.27 | spldart | Oh wow... If you delete a user his/her pm's dissappear outta everyones inbox's?! |
| 13:01.46 | whodaman- | IIRC, yeah |
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| 13:24.52 | BZFlagr40 | hi |
| 13:25.06 | BZFlagr40 | hello |
| 13:25.33 | BZFlagr40 | sup |
| 13:25.37 | whodaman- | saying his once is enough |
| 13:25.43 | whodaman- | Most people are still asleep |
| 13:25.46 | BZFlagr40 | ok |
| 13:25.49 | whodaman- | this is NOT AIM |
| 13:26.02 | BZFlagr40 | I KNOW!!!!!!! |
| 13:26.09 | whodaman- | Then stop acting like it is |
| 13:26.11 | whodaman- | jesus |
| 13:26.15 | BZFlagr40 | ok |
| 13:26.31 | BZFlagr40 | im seeing if blast is here |
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| 13:41.21 | hwilde | somebody put overlord up |
| 13:41.53 | hwilde | overlord II it says |
| 13:44.52 | spldart | Wow! LouMan's Metropolis map looks sweet with clipping broke... or is that the wrong term... Mesh collision? Anywho.. Trunk client now builds for me without having to opt in --enable-client |
| 13:50.41 | spldart | But when I quit and then answer yes I'm sure it dumps segmentation fault |
| 13:51.09 | spldart | How do I ./configure and build in debug? |
| 13:56.07 | spldart | found it in bzflag ibot logs :) |
| 14:08.42 | delusional | I know that 255 is the recommended maximum amount of flags... does the antidote flag count against that? |
| 14:09.36 | hwilde | yesh |
| 14:09.52 | delusional | you sure? |
| 14:09.58 | hwilde | tis memory restriction |
| 14:10.06 | hwilde | antidote isn't free |
| 14:16.18 | spldart | What is it with debug... I can't get a client to build :( |
| 14:22.37 | *** join/#bzflag Upsetter (n=Ups@i577B446F.versanet.de) |
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| 14:27.54 | BZFlagr00 | hello |
| 14:28.19 | BZFlagr00 | hey |
| 14:28.34 | *** part/#bzflag BZFlagr00 (n=62c29ff6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/bzflagr.net/x-7052c6dc97920019) |
| 14:32.05 | F687s | Y HALO THAR! |
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| 14:45.44 | spldart | BZFlagr## is the cgi irc client right? |
| 14:46.05 | spldart | Duh... NM |
| 14:46.10 | spldart | Says it right there |
| 14:49.39 | spldart | Is that hexdec their actual ip? |
| 14:50.28 | ts | I think so. |
| 14:51.40 | spldart | Just looked it up.. I think it's that peter4b guy again |
| 14:52.08 | spldart | Hes really close to me so I'm worried he's eventually gonna get me caught in a subnet ban of his eventually |
| 14:53.03 | ts | I don't like those 3rd party sites offering cgi-irc |
| 14:53.22 | *** join/#bzflag Dessy2 (n=Dessy@88-134-79-104-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 14:53.24 | ts | We already have the one at mbo. |
| 14:55.36 | spldart | I'm c-98-197-19-35.hsd1.tx.comcast.net and he's c-98-194-159-246.hsd1.tx.comcast.net but we both have modems that bounce around periodically. |
| 14:57.22 | ts | I'm bouncing around everywhere. All 4 numbers change :) |
| 14:58.35 | spldart | Did a trace.. He's inside the 610 loop H-town texas. I show as south of sugar land texas but of course we both have the same provider |
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| 15:06.47 | hwilde | ts |
| 15:07.22 | ts | spldart: I heard in north america internet access through cable tv providers is quite common, is that true? |
| 15:07.22 | hwilde | ToughShooter |
| 15:07.38 | hwilde | yeah everybodys got cable modems |
| 15:07.53 | hwilde | it is shared bandwidth tho... everybody on your block steals your mb/s |
| 15:08.13 | ts | I'm wondering why. |
| 15:08.20 | hwilde | why what? |
| 15:08.42 | hwilde | bc all the coax cable runs go back to a giant splitter |
| 15:08.45 | ts | DSL gets up to 50 Mbit/s synch, why use access through cable tv? |
| 15:08.55 | hwilde | with dsl there is actually a phone line to your house |
| 15:09.12 | hwilde | well dsl isn't available everywhere |
| 15:09.29 | hwilde | and I guess sometimes cable could be cheaper because they sell a bundle deal with the tv |
| 15:09.39 | hwilde | or bc americans es stupido |
| 15:09.55 | ts | It's common here to use salite receivers for tv |
| 15:10.01 | ruskie | but then I'm not in the usa |
| 15:10.04 | hwilde | FIOS is the new thing - fiber optics right into your house |
| 15:10.08 | ruskie | ftth |
| 15:10.09 | ts | and cable tv is not available everywhere, either |
| 15:10.11 | ruskie | actually :) |
| 15:10.22 | ruskie | fiber to the home :) |
| 15:10.30 | ruskie | I just wish my isp started working on it... |
| 15:10.34 | ts | FTTH is cool..but still too pricey |
| 15:10.44 | ruskie | so far only the telco and one other company offer it |
| 15:10.52 | ruskie | ts, it's 14eur/month for 10 sync |
| 15:11.01 | ruskie | around here |
| 15:11.07 | ruskie | or 24 if you go with the telco |
| 15:12.00 | ts | Hmm |
| 15:12.18 | ruskie | though personaly I'd be happy with a 5 sync by anyone... |
| 15:12.59 | hwilde | the us is way behind :* http://www.oecd.org/document/7/0,2340,en_2649_34223_38446855_1_1_1_1,00.html |
| 15:13.00 | ts | 14€ is ASDL2+ without phone line... not much difference |
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| 15:25.09 | spldart | ts Yes |
| 15:25.46 | spldart | And here cable gets more bandwidth than dsl easily |
| 15:27.09 | *** join/#bzflag tj13810 (n=alihg@c-71-206-201-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 15:27.32 | tj13810 | does anyone know how to log all server events/chat into a logfile? |
| 15:27.44 | tj13810 | i've searched for 3 days on the forums |
| 15:28.08 | spldart | They were talking about it recently... might try to go through bzflag logs for the last few days... I'mma test it now |
| 15:28.26 | tj13810 | ok |
| 15:29.56 | blast007 | ts: at least in my area, cable internet has higher speeds than DSL, last I checked |
| 15:30.12 | ts | blast007: What's their max? |
| 15:30.29 | blast007 | my provider has 10mbps |
| 15:30.42 | spldart | I just tried what I thought I remembered to do that but it didn't work tjl3810.. sry |
| 15:30.51 | ts | mbs is for mega bit per second? |
| 15:30.56 | blast007 | ts: yeah |
| 15:31.38 | spldart | DSL ranged from 80kbs to 240 kbs around here... I regularly get 450 to 800kbs on cable. All download speeds |
| 15:31.46 | blast007 | one DSL I see here gets only 3mbps at most |
| 15:31.49 | ts | Hehe, that's a bit slow but ok for non power users |
| 15:31.56 | spldart | Houston, Sugarland, Katy etc |
| 15:32.16 | blast007 | ts: the 3mbps plan is called the "Power Plan" ;) |
| 15:32.34 | blast007 | but that provider also offers FIOS |
| 15:32.35 | spldart | Lemme do a bandwidth test real quick outta curiouslity |
| 15:32.41 | ts | My ISP doesn't even offer anything less than 3mbs |
| 15:32.49 | *** part/#bzflag itrebal (n=GrahamC@unaffiliated/grahamc) |
| 15:32.55 | blast007 | which offers 15mbps both ways |
| 15:33.32 | spldart | 2.54 mbps 309kbps |
| 15:33.38 | ts | 15mbs is ok, not that fast but ok :) |
| 15:34.01 | spldart | that's running slow right now.. the more neighbors are online the slower the locally shared bandwidth |
| 15:34.28 | blast007 | ts: in the US, 15mbps is fast |
| 15:34.34 | blast007 | 3mbps is probably average |
| 15:36.00 | ts | blast007: It's kind of fast here, too if people don't want to spend much money |
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| 15:36.27 | blast007 | the 15mbps FIOS is $63/month, which isn't too bad, I guess |
| 15:37.03 | ts | The difference between fast and usual gets bigger and bigger. |
| 15:37.04 | spldart | Speakeasy reports 7380 down and 2107 up for me @ the moment |
| 15:37.15 | ts | and the average is way below possibilities |
| 15:37.22 | spldart | first test was the bandwithplace |
| 15:37.27 | ts | Take that as example: http://www.wieistmeineip.de/speedtest/graph.php?s=3d9195db541645d1 |
| 15:39.29 | ts | The average is always slow from a power user perspective :D |
| 15:40.23 | ts | Anyone having a graph for north america? |
| 15:41.08 | blast007 | apparently as of June 2007, the average speed in america was 1.9mbps |
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| 15:41.37 | blast007 | hi DogsOfWar |
| 15:42.02 | blast007 | bye DogsOfWar |
| 15:42.18 | ts | Hehe |
| 15:43.16 | tj13810 | spldart i couldn't find anything, did you? |
| 15:44.05 | spldart | Not @ this time.. an I can't get what I did see a while back to work... Maybe it doesn support chat dump? |
| 15:54.33 | tj13810 | ok |
| 15:54.53 | tj13810 | i thought there was a sort of "switch" that was used in the batch line to start the server, i just can't remember it |
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| 15:56.17 | spldart | got it |
| 15:56.19 | spldart | -e |
| 15:56.33 | spldart | for echo..... it dumps chat in the terminal if your in linux |
| 15:56.49 | spldart | lemme see if I can direct it to a .log |
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| 15:58.36 | spldart | tjl3810.. In linux.. bzflag -e >/dir/logfile.log |
| 15:59.13 | spldart | prolly work in windoze too if you start bzflag in a box but I'm not gonna try it right now |
| 15:59.51 | spldart | BTW... use two > as in >> if you want to to keep adding more log onto the end of each client session instead of deleting the old stuff and just writing this new session |
| 16:01.14 | spldart | Oh wait... server... I do bzfs -conf /dir/dir/.conf >>/dir/dir/everything.log |
| 16:02.06 | tj13810 | so in windows i do bzfs -conf D:/path/.conf >>/D:/path/log.log |
| 16:02.46 | spldart | worth a try... It's been years since I served in windows |
| 16:02.55 | tj13810 | i use it just to get virii |
| 16:03.05 | tj13810 | i use my own linux distro for down and dirty stuff |
| 16:03.30 | spldart | that gives you chat, join ip's names of tanks, kicks etc |
| 16:03.47 | spldart | Oh.. and the log of each handshake with the listserver |
| 16:03.51 | tj13810 | wait >> isn't in windows is it? |
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| 16:04.17 | spldart | try it > first... I thought windows could do dumps like that |
| 16:04.18 | tj13810 | i would use // |
| 16:04.24 | spldart | oh ok |
| 16:04.40 | tj13810 | i'll try it, if not, i'll do a manual dump code, in maybe and external batch file |
| 16:04.47 | JeffM | spldart, you want to redirect? |
| 16:05.02 | spldart | tjl3810 was trying to in windoze |
| 16:05.09 | JeffM | you can |
| 16:05.12 | spldart | bzfs |
| 16:05.13 | JeffM | >> IIC |
| 16:05.53 | JeffM | sorry it's one > |
| 16:06.14 | blast007 | JeffM: only one will overwrite the file, two will append |
| 16:06.15 | JeffM | dir >dump.txt dumps the contents of dir to the file |
| 16:06.17 | JeffM | just don't have a space between the > and the file |
| 16:06.21 | JeffM | ahh |
| 16:06.32 | *** join/#bzflag bier (n=bier@p54A57E57.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:06.40 | tj13810 | so dir >>dump.txt |
| 16:06.42 | spldart | I think we got yah covered tjl :) |
| 16:06.46 | tj13810 | thanks |
| 16:07.08 | blast007 | eh, and you can use a space there too.... |
| 16:07.17 | tj13810 | yeah lol |
| 16:07.23 | blast007 | JeffM: what OS are you basing this information off? |
| 16:07.35 | JeffM | blast007, probaly and old old one ;) |
| 16:07.43 | JeffM | it's just always been in my head |
| 16:07.48 | JeffM | I know that no space works |
| 16:07.50 | JeffM | so I do that |
| 16:07.55 | blast007 | heh |
| 16:07.57 | blast007 | works on XP ;) |
| 16:08.00 | hwilde | either way works in linux. |
| 16:08.00 | tj13810 | ok i'll try them both |
| 16:08.01 | JeffM | cool |
| 16:08.18 | tj13810 | i'm in Windows server 2003, so XP rules for CMD should apply |
| 16:08.19 | JeffM | you only need one that works :) |
| 16:08.21 | blast007 | but they command prompt in NT is better |
| 16:08.22 | hwilde | one arrow replaces the file, two arrows appends |
| 16:08.26 | spldart | I've always done no space in xp as well ;-) |
| 16:08.27 | blast007 | the* |
| 16:08.55 | blast007 | I have the unxutils installed, so I could use bzfs -whatever | tee -a log.txt |
| 16:09.06 | blast007 | then I can see the output, and it also goes to the log file |
| 16:09.10 | blast007 | and the -a makes it append |
| 16:09.11 | JeffM | that's handy cus you can see the output |
| 16:09.22 | JeffM | > just redirects |
| 16:09.24 | blast007 | http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 16:10.03 | JeffM | I wonder if anyone has tried lots of flags on windows in trunk |
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| 16:10.13 | blast007 | JeffM: want me to? ;) |
| 16:10.20 | hwilde | some guy was on here earlier asking about 255 flag limit |
| 16:10.26 | hwilde | Overlord is up :) |
| 16:10.37 | tj13810 | i had like 200 flags once |
| 16:10.44 | JeffM | blast007, do you have a branch server that we know fails with some number of flags? |
| 16:10.45 | tj13810 | no problems either |
| 16:10.47 | blast007 | hwilde: '255 flag limit' ? |
| 16:10.56 | JeffM | I want to see if the buffered network message fixes it |
| 16:10.57 | blast007 | JeffM: I can try that as well |
| 16:11.04 | JeffM | blast007, that'd be good |
| 16:11.12 | JeffM | cus what I think it is, is how we pack the flag send |
| 16:11.20 | JeffM | and that's been fixed to be as long as it needs |
| 16:11.25 | JeffM | not busted into chunks anymore |
| 16:11.32 | blast007 | worst case, I'll grab the last alpha build of 2.1 |
| 16:11.46 | JeffM | blast007, I don't think that has buffered net message |
| 16:11.50 | blast007 | right |
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| 16:11.55 | JeffM | spldart, munchkins |
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| 16:15.35 | blast007 | JeffM: nope, the new network stuff in trunk still dies |
| 16:15.42 | blast007 | I tried with +f good{20} |
| 16:15.43 | JeffM | we should fix that |
| 16:15.45 | JeffM | k |
| 16:15.47 | blast007 | let me test with a linux server |
| 16:16.46 | blast007 | works from a linux server |
| 16:17.16 | tj13810 | it wont load the server now. |
| 16:17.27 | blast007 | tj13810: elaborate |
| 16:17.27 | JeffM | k |
| 16:17.47 | tj13810 | dir > "D:\bzflag\logs\chatlog.txt" |
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| 16:17.54 | tj13810 | it just opens the batch, then exits |
| 16:18.02 | JeffM | not dir |
| 16:18.04 | blast007 | tj13810: uh... |
| 16:18.05 | JeffM | I was using an example |
| 16:18.09 | JeffM | as a doss command |
| 16:18.13 | blast007 | dir lists a directory :P |
| 16:18.14 | tj13810 | hmm |
| 16:18.16 | JeffM | you want dir to be your bzfs server |
| 16:18.20 | tj13810 | ok |
| 16:18.25 | JeffM | what ever you nomraly use to start it |
| 16:18.30 | JeffM | then just tack on the > at the end |
| 16:18.33 | tj13810 | i thought it would take my dir from before |
| 16:18.35 | JeffM | the > is not a bzflag thing |
| 16:18.41 | JeffM | it is a terminal thing |
| 16:18.48 | JeffM | for any command line app |
| 16:21.30 | spldart | Quotes? |
| 16:21.47 | tj13810 | ok i now have "C:\path to bzfs"> "D:\path to logfile" |
| 16:21.49 | tj13810 | still wont load |
| 16:22.59 | tj13810 | the whole config is "C:\pathtobzfs" -conf "D:\pathtoconf" "C:\pathtobzfs"> "D:\pathtolog" |
| 16:23.09 | tj13810 | do i need a | ? |
| 16:23.10 | spldart | @ devs.. whenever I try to build trunk with --debug-enabled it fails to make the client with error... how can I proceed to diagnose from there |
| 16:23.36 | blast007 | spldart: it's probably a warning and not an error, but read the output |
| 16:23.54 | spldart | what make dumps out? |
| 16:23.54 | blast007 | in debug builds, warnings are treated as errors |
| 16:24.01 | blast007 | yeah |
| 16:24.09 | blast007 | make will tell you why it stopped |
| 16:24.13 | spldart | lemme see if I still have that up |
| 16:24.20 | blast007 | if not, just run 'make' again |
| 16:24.36 | blast007 | it'll zoom through and error out again |
| 16:25.10 | spldart | where can I paste the last of make were it seemed to go all wrong? |
| 16:25.39 | blast007 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz <--- and paste as much as you can |
| 16:25.40 | spldart | And I don't know if you noticed earlier but this morning checkout of trunk will build client without me having to --enable-client |
| 16:26.05 | blast007 | don't need all of the beginning stuff, but some context around the error is nice too |
| 16:26.53 | spldart | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d2189056c |
| 16:27.04 | spldart | Hope that's enough to assist |
| 16:27.14 | tj13810 | is there a way to put the log context into a config file for the server? |
| 16:27.22 | blast007 | it is |
| 16:27.32 | blast007 | that's in the latest trunk? |
| 16:27.32 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16656 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: |
| 16:27.32 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: add windows server flag count bug. |
| 16:27.32 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: sort more bugs into categories |
| 16:28.24 | blast007 | spldart: I'm firing up my linux lappy quick |
| 16:28.26 | spldart | I subversioned that outta trunk about 3 hours 20 minutes ago |
| 16:28.31 | JeffM | blast007, I know what it is |
| 16:28.33 | JeffM | shadow var |
| 16:28.36 | blast007 | JeffM: yeah |
| 16:28.38 | JeffM | cus of my display cleanup |
| 16:28.47 | blast007 | k |
| 16:29.25 | JeffM | if it's a copy of a BZDisplay * then we can probalby ditch it |
| 16:30.52 | blast007 | wee.... I just love my 'gaming' laptop... 47% battery left == 30 minutes ;D |
| 16:31.02 | JeffM | goti t |
| 16:31.19 | JeffM | I'm at 81% left |
| 16:31.27 | JeffM | 4:06 hours |
| 16:31.48 | blast007 | I have the thinkpad though too ;) |
| 16:31.58 | spldart | BTW... how would I update my subversion checkout or is it better to just recheckout fresh |
| 16:32.13 | blast007 | 4:50 minutes left with a full battery (with the battery at 18% wear) |
| 16:32.17 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16657 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/DisplayMenu.cxx: remove a shadow that hits the new display global |
| 16:32.28 | JeffM | spldart, that shoudl fix you |
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| 16:32.33 | JeffM | spldart, svn up |
| 16:32.37 | JeffM | in the root dir |
| 16:32.40 | spldart | okies |
| 16:32.45 | JeffM | svn up then just make |
| 16:33.00 | spldart | IC it's instant instead of lagging like the old checkout system |
| 16:33.32 | JeffM | yes svn is instant ish |
| 16:33.59 | spldart | I assume make clean doesn't effect my last ./configure --ena etc etc |
| 16:34.10 | JeffM | no |
| 16:34.22 | spldart | building now then :) |
| 16:34.24 | JeffM | nothing in the build system changed |
| 16:34.31 | ts | Has anyone seen this BTW: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m20948564 ? |
| 16:34.39 | JeffM | and no files were added or moved |
| 16:35.02 | ts | I'm not understanding where it crashes in trunk. |
| 16:35.10 | JeffM | ts, if that's trunk, brlcad has been working on it |
| 16:35.17 | JeffM | somthing in a static construrctor |
| 16:35.22 | JeffM | it's been very dificcult for him |
| 16:35.33 | ts | JeffM: Yes, that's trunk..it crashes when selecting quit menu item |
| 16:36.10 | ts | quite a bit funny to crash on quit |
| 16:36.20 | hwilde | whats the diff |
| 16:36.22 | JeffM | indeed |
| 16:36.44 | spldart | LOL... my first build on trunk early this morning gave a segfault on quit after confirmation |
| 16:36.57 | spldart | Non debug |
| 16:36.58 | JeffM | ts have you put a breakpoint in the quit menu and steped thru it to find out what it's dying on? |
| 16:37.00 | ts | spldart: That's what I was writing about |
| 16:37.16 | spldart | I know... It's funny |
| 16:37.33 | spldart | and confirmatory |
| 16:37.38 | spldart | if that's a word LOL |
| 16:38.00 | ts | I don't have time to do development |
| 16:38.22 | ts | I should be learning right now, too :& |
| 16:38.58 | JeffM | ts can you at least add it to the bugs file please, wiht a link to the traceback? |
| 16:39.45 | ts | Ok, I'll also note the untextured pause |
| 16:39.52 | spldart | build failed again for different reason |
| 16:40.03 | JeffM | spldart, what one this time? |
| 16:40.07 | spldart | should I pastebin again? |
| 16:40.10 | blast007 | yeah |
| 16:40.11 | JeffM | please |
| 16:40.17 | blast007 | I'm building now too |
| 16:40.32 | spldart | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d1df8285c |
| 16:40.57 | blast007 | Only the shadow knows. |
| 16:41.26 | JeffM | let me do a full search for display |
| 16:43.21 | spldart | Just in case if there is any other reason my builds might be producing errors I will pass any information on my system you may want... You might have to tell me how to extract aforementioned info but I don't want to lead you guys on a goose chase |
| 16:43.40 | JeffM | naw it's just linuxness |
| 16:43.44 | Winny | hehe |
| 16:43.58 | JeffM | gcc does warnings as errors on a debug build |
| 16:44.13 | JeffM | and I did a consolodation of variables named "display" but missed some |
| 16:44.18 | spldart | LOL... I can get a client that I can get to play without debug in trunk and I can get a perfectly good 2_0 client on same machine |
| 16:44.38 | JeffM | it would not have caused a bug, because the local was inited to the same pointer as the global in all cases |
| 16:44.52 | JeffM | I'll have it fixed in a bit |
| 16:44.56 | JeffM | it's building now |
| 16:44.58 | JeffM | just slowly |
| 16:45.01 | blast007 | spldart: right, in non-debug mode, the warning would just be that. a warning, not an error. |
| 16:45.17 | JeffM | spldart, it is NOT your machine |
| 16:45.24 | JeffM | it is the fact that you are building debug |
| 16:45.27 | JeffM | with trunk |
| 16:45.33 | spldart | I understand that now |
| 16:45.35 | JeffM | everyone using GCC will have this problem |
| 16:45.41 | JeffM | I don't use GCC |
| 16:45.41 | blast007 | mine is at the same point right now |
| 16:46.01 | spldart | I figured the fact that I can build pretty fast with make -j3 that I can go through the process over and over assisting bug hunts |
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| 16:47.12 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16658 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (DisplayMenu.cxx FormatMenu.cxx): remove a shadow that hits the new display global |
| 16:47.29 | JeffM | there ya go |
| 16:48.08 | spldart | time for another up? |
| 16:48.11 | blast007 | yup |
| 16:48.36 | spldart | 16658 making |
| 16:48.46 | spldart | at least that the number I thought I saw :) |
| 16:49.31 | JeffM | by the time you see the cia message, the server is updated. |
| 16:49.50 | JeffM | CIA is the last thing to happen |
| 16:50.40 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03t-s * r16659 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: More bugs to mention |
| 16:50.42 | blast007 | JeffM: another one ;) |
| 16:51.16 | blast007 | src/bzflag/DisplayMenu.cxx:233: undefined reference to `display` |
| 16:51.26 | blast007 | during the bzrobots build |
| 16:51.35 | ts | bzrobots..eww |
| 16:51.52 | ts | I remember my hackish long long fix |
| 16:51.52 | blast007 | so the error shows /home/blast/bzflag-trunk/src/bzrobots/../bzflag/DisplayMenu.cxx |
| 16:52.19 | blast007 | same error on like 216 and 168 of FormatMenu.cxx |
| 16:53.01 | blast007 | then for line 194 of FormatMenu.cxx, it says "more undefined references to `display' follow" |
| 16:53.22 | JeffM | hmmm interesting |
| 16:53.24 | JeffM | it's headless |
| 16:53.30 | JeffM | so it dosn't have display |
| 16:53.37 | blast007 | but the bzflag client built properly |
| 16:53.42 | blast007 | just bzrobots failed |
| 16:53.44 | JeffM | it shouldnot be building any of the menus for robots |
| 16:53.57 | JeffM | that sounds like an error in the robots build system |
| 16:54.03 | blast007 | yeah |
| 16:54.03 | JeffM | it should take out the menu files |
| 16:54.09 | JeffM | that I can not fix |
| 16:54.31 | JeffM | or if there is a robots #def, define it all out |
| 16:54.40 | JeffM | but really it should not be building those files |
| 16:54.44 | blast007 | yeah |
| 16:54.47 | JeffM | there should be nothing in there it needs |
| 16:55.02 | blast007 | it using the 3D lib too |
| 16:55.06 | JeffM | good lord |
| 16:55.14 | blast007 | ../3D/lib3D.la |
| 16:55.16 | JeffM | probalby cus player does |
| 16:55.38 | blast007 | linking to SDL, GLU, GL, and X11 |
| 16:55.59 | spldart | got the bzrobots failure too hehe |
| 16:56.12 | spldart | do have a client now though |
| 16:56.26 | spldart | gonna try it out out of curiousity |
| 16:56.43 | blast007 | spldart: if you want, try --disable-bzrobots for configure |
| 16:58.17 | spldart | I will next time |
| 16:58.40 | spldart | trunk client plays... I love seeing through all the meshes from underneath on louman metropolis hehe |
| 16:58.42 | blast007 | yeah, my build completed properly without bzrobots |
| 16:58.45 | blast007 | yeah ;) |
| 16:58.58 | blast007 | I made a note that the map is horribly non-playable |
| 16:59.34 | spldart | I know... earlier I managed to spawn underneath and drive around for a little while looking up the buildings 'skirts' before being destroyed by server :-D |
| 16:59.35 | blast007 | spldart: wanna test trunk on my random map server? |
| 16:59.46 | spldart | okies |
| 16:59.49 | JeffM | did you fix the tangibilty issue? |
| 16:59.57 | JeffM | I take it mine isn't running anymore? |
| 17:00.08 | blast007 | JeffM: no, haven't fixed that yet |
| 17:00.11 | JeffM | k |
| 17:00.13 | blast007 | I'm not exactly sure how to |
| 17:00.26 | JeffM | well the simplest thing is to return solid |
| 17:00.30 | JeffM | that way we'll collide |
| 17:00.42 | JeffM | but you won't be able to set tang for meshes |
| 17:00.51 | JeffM | but you can at least play |
| 17:00.55 | blast007 | still, like I was saying yesterday, that's actually good to leave that way so we know it's broken ;) |
| 17:01.02 | JeffM | if we have to pull the tangibility stuff, wI don't m ind. |
| 17:01.11 | JeffM | it was an idea |
| 17:01.21 | blast007 | it's close to working |
| 17:01.26 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:01.33 | JeffM | it'd be cool to have doors :) |
| 17:01.35 | blast007 | and I've already had some ideas of how to use it |
| 17:01.53 | JeffM | if I can tie material changes to a mesage it can be REALLY cool |
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| 17:06.15 | blast007 | spldart: client crashed when I changed resolutions |
| 17:06.22 | spldart | oh |
| 17:06.32 | spldart | what os do you build in anyway? |
| 17:06.47 | blast007 | windows for the one I was running |
| 17:06.51 | spldart | Oh... |
| 17:06.53 | blast007 | but I have the linux laptop too |
| 17:07.02 | spldart | Btw... why were gm's not doing anything? |
| 17:07.15 | blast007 | hmm? |
| 17:07.44 | spldart | It seemed like I shot through you with GM without you blowing up... did I miss and it looked like solid hits? |
| 17:07.56 | spldart | I forgot to check my lag |
| 17:08.12 | blast007 | they weren't locking from what I could tell |
| 17:08.30 | blast007 | set resolution "640x480 @60Hz 16 bitsÍýýýý" <-- that looks good... |
| 17:08.43 | blast007 | it was showing the Íýýýý part in the menu too |
| 17:09.26 | spldart | Hrm..... might be a bug there... I had them tracking and everything |
| 17:09.45 | blast007 | heh, and I manually edit that, and it ignores it and goes to 1024x768 (instead of 800x600 like I put in) |
| 17:09.57 | blast007 | and then when I try to go to the Change Video Format menu, it crashes |
| 17:10.11 | spldart | Hehe..... Segmentation fault on every quit :-D |
| 17:10.45 | JeffM | breakpoint :) |
| 17:10.48 | spldart | Should I run client $gdb bzflag? |
| 17:10.53 | JeffM | totaly |
| 17:11.00 | spldart | okies |
| 17:11.11 | spldart | does it dump output to terminal? |
| 17:12.06 | JeffM | hmm yeah it exits with a code of 3 |
| 17:13.30 | spldart | umm... I cannot get it to start with "gdb bzflag" |
| 17:13.41 | blast007 | gdb src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 17:13.50 | blast007 | then type 'run -window' |
| 17:13.55 | JeffM | hmm display is bad |
| 17:13.57 | spldart | yeah... It dumps me to a prompt with (gdb) |
| 17:14.01 | spldart | Oh |
| 17:14.18 | blast007 | you'll want to turn off Confine Mouse too |
| 17:14.23 | blast007 | and then save the config |
| 17:15.01 | blast007 | JeffM: my client is from the 28th, so I'm gonna rebuild |
| 17:15.13 | JeffM | it's from my reorg |
| 17:15.17 | blast007 | ok |
| 17:15.18 | JeffM | something is blowing out the display pointer |
| 17:15.24 | JeffM | I can dupe it |
| 17:15.26 | JeffM | on windows |
| 17:15.34 | spldart | No luck... lemme dump what I've tried |
| 17:15.38 | JeffM | running with a conditional breakpoint on the var now |
| 17:15.43 | blast007 | ok |
| 17:15.47 | JeffM | spldart, it's ok, I know where it's dying |
| 17:15.53 | JeffM | in cleanupClient |
| 17:16.02 | JeffM | display->setDefaultResoultion(); |
| 17:16.07 | JeffM | cus display is NULL |
| 17:16.12 | blast007 | heh |
| 17:17.12 | JeffM | found it |
| 17:17.21 | spldart | I would like to figure this out for later reference... I've tried gdb ./src/bzflag/bzflag and I'm left with (gdb) for a prompt |
| 17:18.14 | blast007 | spldart: type: run -window |
| 17:18.18 | blast007 | and hit enter |
| 17:18.32 | spldart | yes.. but it doesn start |
| 17:18.32 | blast007 | 11:14:18 <+blast007> you'll want to turn off Confine Mouse too |
| 17:18.32 | blast007 | 11:14:23 <+blast007> and then save the config |
| 17:18.35 | spldart | wierd |
| 17:18.38 | blast007 | what does it say? |
| 17:19.12 | spldart | No executable file specified..... grr .. lemme tinker with this |
| 17:19.35 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16660 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: don't set display to Null at the end of the playing loop, it's a global now and is deleted later. |
| 17:19.41 | blast007 | spldart: were you at the root of the source? |
| 17:19.51 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16661 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: verify the display is valid in the cleanup stage. |
| 17:19.59 | JeffM | there ya go |
| 17:20.34 | JeffM | control + b FTW :) |
| 17:21.17 | JeffM | wonder how hard it is to set up bz to debug in kdev |
| 17:21.27 | JeffM | or kdbg |
| 17:22.33 | JeffM | spldart, you may want to try kdbg, I found it a lot easier to work out |
| 17:22.38 | spldart | whew.... saved the session |
| 17:22.39 | spldart | LOL |
| 17:23.38 | spldart | okies.. I figured out I cannot do gbb ./src/bzflag/bzflag.. I have to do gdb /the/dir/from/root/src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 17:24.12 | spldart | Ok... there was no entry for confine mouse in my .conf so what was the exact wording agian? |
| 17:24.21 | JeffM | grabmouse |
| 17:24.24 | JeffM | mousegrab |
| 17:26.05 | spldart | have no entry in the config.cfg for mousegrab... |
| 17:26.11 | JeffM | add one |
| 17:26.29 | JeffM | not everything is in the config by default |
| 17:27.09 | spldart | NM.. found the entire thing in the logs from last sunday :) |
| 17:29.38 | spldart | Oh... so Blasts's change res crash and the segfaults on quit I noticed are both related to display? |
| 17:30.01 | JeffM | yes |
| 17:30.08 | JeffM | on quit we try to put the res back |
| 17:31.35 | spldart | Ok... Well... i've learned a more about debug and how to save my xsession when I lock up partially :) |
| 17:32.06 | ruskie | :) |
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| 17:38.19 | spldart | ok... upping to 16661... has anyone else already? |
| 17:38.48 | blast007 | there is also a menu item for Confine Mouse under Options > Input Options |
| 17:39.18 | spldart | I'm goin ahead and trying --enable-debug and --disable-bzrobots this time |
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| 17:40.05 | blast007 | I'm gonna jump back on the random map spldart, want to join? |
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| 17:44.53 | spldart | Not yet.. building with 16661 now... had to chase some kids a second ago. when the build is done I'l play in gdb |
| 17:46.42 | spldart | OK.. I'm in |
| 17:46.57 | boop | ~she |
| 17:46.58 | ibot | i heard she is not |
| 17:50.50 | JeffM | brlcad, you arround? |
| 17:52.56 | Winny | it's been bugging me for a week: it's "around" :p |
| 17:54.03 | blast007 | yeah, 2.99.x still has some network "issues" |
| 17:54.38 | blast007 | 3 of us were playing, and all of a sudden, the lag spikes, and all of us get disconnected with "Server communication error" messages (LOTS of them) |
| 17:54.45 | KTL | happened 2 times |
| 17:54.51 | blast007 | I did see that spldart and KTL got lagkicked though |
| 17:55.10 | blast007 | (before I dropped off) |
| 17:55.25 | blast007 | so maybe we're all getting lag kicked, and that's why we're getting "server communication error" messages? |
| 17:56.01 | spldart | Holy crap |
| 17:56.11 | spldart | I got locked up but good! |
| 17:56.20 | blast007 | JeffM: can we make the new bullets easier to see? maybe the're too transparent or something, but it's easier to see the old ones |
| 17:56.26 | spldart | couldn't pull menu's or anything |
| 17:56.35 | JBdiGriz | I'm trying to get beyond the graphics issues to find some of the network issues. drawCelestial crashes the application upon startup, and cleanup crashes the application upon leaving. |
| 17:56.36 | JeffM | blast007, sure they can be tweaked |
| 17:57.10 | spldart | Program received signal SIGPIPE, Broken pipe. [Switching to Thread -1226627360 (LWP 17391)] 0xb7fc9410 in ?? () |
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| 17:58.20 | spldart | I had to switch ctr/alt/f1 then go to superuse and kill gdb just to get my xsession unlocked |
| 17:58.41 | blast007 | JBdiGriz: jeff might have fixed some crashes, but I haven't tried on linux |
| 17:58.53 | JBdiGriz | These are on mac. |
| 17:58.57 | blast007 | ah |
| 18:03.52 | JeffM | brlcad has been tracking down a semi randomish crash in OSX for a while |
| 18:05.35 | JBdiGriz | These aren't random. I've traced them down to the source code. Something is being set incorrectly. |
| 18:18.18 | JeffM | ok |
| 18:18.30 | JeffM | would not suprise me :) |
| 18:18.44 | brlcad | yeah, I'm around .. still detoxing a bit |
| 18:18.48 | JeffM | heh |
| 18:18.57 | JeffM | I think I worked around it |
| 18:19.01 | JBdiGriz | You didn't invite me? |
| 18:19.03 | JeffM | was wondering where you got the OSS code |
| 18:19.08 | JeffM | sorry OSS logo |
| 18:19.16 | JeffM | but I ganked it from your PDF |
| 18:19.17 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/CD_logo_red.png |
| 18:19.36 | JeffM | still needs some nudges |
| 18:20.07 | brlcad | twas a long night.. |
| 18:20.23 | JeffM | was she cute? |
| 18:20.44 | Winny | haha |
| 18:20.48 | brlcad | she was |
| 18:20.57 | JBdiGriz | Is she still |
| 18:21.00 | brlcad | nice disc |
| 18:21.06 | JeffM | did you charge her 25$ |
| 18:21.17 | L4m3r | JBdiGriz: ahaha :P |
| 18:21.33 | brlcad | nope, but the bartenders sure did to me |
| 18:21.35 | Winny | that depends on if he continued drinking :p |
| 18:22.02 | spldart | LOL |
| 18:22.20 | JeffM | k |
| 18:22.22 | JeffM | wasn't sure |
| 18:22.26 | JeffM | thats why it's so light |
| 18:22.29 | brlcad | maybe just put http://BZFlag.org |
| 18:22.35 | Winny | JeffM, shadow on the tank logo? |
| 18:22.44 | Winny | it's on the thing on the bottom, it should be evrywhere, then. |
| 18:22.50 | JeffM | good ideas, both of them :) |
| 18:22.58 | brlcad | or put the Open Source logo down there and something else on the right |
| 18:24.48 | KTL | the title is too crispy |
| 18:24.55 | JeffM | the URL is a good idea |
| 18:28.02 | JeffM | I'll have to print some when I get home and see how they look |
| 18:29.18 | Winny | that's not at all unreasonable |
| 18:29.27 | Winny | most shirts at walmart are at least 15 |
| 18:30.02 | JeffM | what is the advantage of charging more then we need too? |
| 18:30.18 | Winny | You want to make some money to support the project, no? |
| 18:30.20 | JBdiGriz | Having a bit of surplus for doing the next round of shirts. |
| 18:30.40 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, I have 2$ per shirt profit allready built in |
| 18:30.49 | JeffM | we arn't doing it for cost |
| 18:31.09 | JBdiGriz | Will that be enough to put a graphic down the sleeve next time? |
| 18:31.10 | JeffM | basicly if we sell 75% we break even, and the rest goes tward makin the next round |
| 18:31.23 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, probably |
| 18:31.41 | JeffM | I'm not totaly adverse to 15 |
| 18:31.45 | JeffM | but I think cheaper == better |
| 18:32.02 | JeffM | actualy taking it up to 13, gives us $2.50 per shirt |
| 18:32.14 | JeffM | I'll know more when I find out the exact prices |
| 18:32.33 | JeffM | Winny, don't forget that we'll also be charging 5$ shipping |
| 18:32.42 | JeffM | so that takes the shirt up to 20$ |
| 18:33.02 | JBdiGriz | Where will they be shipping from? |
| 18:33.10 | JeffM | I don't know yet |
| 18:33.15 | JeffM | oh you mean when sold |
| 18:33.18 | JeffM | california |
| 18:33.26 | JeffM | $5 covers flat rate USPS |
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| 18:33.29 | JeffM | for US |
| 18:33.36 | JeffM | it'll be about 10$ for international |
| 18:33.40 | JBdiGriz | I was thinking we should just have a pickup party in Moorpark or Westlake. |
| 18:33.49 | JeffM | that can be aranged |
| 18:33.55 | JeffM | :) |
| 18:34.02 | Winny | JeffM, ahh |
| 18:34.07 | JeffM | the current plan is for me to keep them at work |
| 18:34.16 | JBdiGriz | Of course, the cost of the beer will probably be more than $5. :D |
| 18:34.19 | JeffM | that way, there are 2 bzflag devs there in case bad things happen to one |
| 18:36.06 | ts | Hmm, DHL charges 13€ for international packages |
| 18:36.38 | Winny | JeffM, what would the shipping be if someone ordered two things? (International) $20? |
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| 18:37.49 | JeffM_ | I will never us DHL |
| 18:37.51 | JeffM_ | ever |
| 18:38.10 | Winny | JeffM_, what would the shipping be if someone ordered two things? (International) $20? |
| 18:38.25 | JeffM_ | Winny, since I'm using flat rate envelopes, yeah |
| 18:38.30 | Winny | ok |
| 18:38.38 | JeffM_ | one shirt per evnvelope, flat rate |
| 18:38.50 | JeffM_ | I am hoping that I can setup the store to let you pick your shiping method |
| 18:39.51 | JeffM_ | I'm getting the USPS bags for free from work |
| 18:40.25 | JBdiGriz | It's nice when work subsidizes open source development. |
| 18:40.34 | JeffM_ | indeed |
| 18:40.56 | JeffM_ | I get to keep the shirts there too, and just send them out with the mail pickup we have |
| 18:41.04 | JeffM_ | so that works out nicely |
| 18:41.19 | Winny | You won't run away to Mexico with our cash? ;) |
| 18:41.21 | JeffM_ | and paypal can print the shiping labels for me, and pull the fees from what was paid via paypal |
| 18:41.31 | JeffM_ | Winny, it'll all be held in paypal |
| 18:41.36 | JBdiGriz | Winny: I'll stop him on the way. |
| 18:41.41 | JeffM_ | I will proably not even have access to it |
| 18:41.52 | JeffM_ | that's why I like this setup :) |
| 18:42.48 | JeffM_ | the only thing I could do woudl be to take the shirts and run, and DTRemenak can stop me from doing that ;) |
| 18:42.58 | Winny | hehe |
| 18:43.01 | JeffM_ | and what would I do with 50 bzflag shirts |
| 18:43.26 | Winny | be stylish? |
| 18:43.27 | JeffM_ | but really the nice thing is, if I get sick, or something. dtr can do shipments for a day or 2 from work too. |
| 18:43.34 | JBdiGriz | Hang out on the border with the guys selling oranges? |
| 18:44.27 | JeffM_ | ok, 49 regular shirts and 1 brlcad special shirt ;) |
| 18:44.40 | JeffM_ | and probalby one dtr hoodie |
| 18:45.58 | Winny | JeffM_: I'd be interested in a hoodie |
| 18:46.07 | JeffM_ | Winny, you'd have to prepay |
| 18:46.12 | Winny | sure |
| 18:46.14 | JeffM_ | k |
| 18:46.22 | JeffM_ | this is the place I'm looking at using |
| 18:46.24 | JeffM_ | http://www.brunettotshirts.com/ |
| 18:46.30 | JeffM_ | they seem to have very reasonable prices |
| 18:46.40 | ts | What is a hoodie? |
| 18:46.41 | Winny | I'd pay you, and it would get sent? |
| 18:46.41 | JeffM_ | and I have a number of shirts that are printed by them |
| 18:46.44 | Winny | Or I'd pay them? |
| 18:46.51 | JeffM_ | ts, sweatshirt with a hood |
| 18:47.20 | JeffM_ | Winny, you'd have to pay us ( the paypall we setup) before we made the order. and when we got it, I'd special ship it to you. |
| 18:47.32 | Winny | ok |
| 18:47.36 | JeffM_ | since we won't be printing them as a regular run the first time |
| 18:47.52 | ts | Ah, good ibot knows what a hood is at least :) |
| 18:48.09 | JeffM_ | http://www.imprintablecatalog.com/catalog/search/?category=B&mill=42&style=12500 |
| 18:48.24 | JeffM_ | well, probably the better one |
| 18:48.25 | JeffM_ | http://www.imprintablecatalog.com/catalog/search/?category=B&mill=42&style=9500 |
| 18:48.38 | JeffM_ | the hoodies will proalby run 26-28$ when all is done |
| 18:49.01 | JeffM_ | then 10$ shiping in the US, and proably 15$ international |
| 18:49.02 | JBdiGriz | The heavy sweatshirt looks like a good option as well. I would guess it would also be around $30. |
| 18:49.07 | JeffM_ | yeah |
| 18:49.21 | JeffM_ | eventualy I'd like to have 3 items |
| 18:49.30 | JeffM_ | short sleve, long sleve, and hoddie |
| 18:49.38 | JeffM_ | with the long sleeve with the URL along the arm if we can |
| 18:49.47 | JBdiGriz | Let me know when I have to prepay. |
| 18:49.49 | JeffM_ | or if not, breast pocket |
| 18:50.11 | JeffM_ | we don't have a final desgn yet |
| 18:50.18 | JBdiGriz | I still want a GM along the sleeve. :) |
| 18:50.20 | JeffM_ | I just threw up a quicky one on the test site |
| 18:50.33 | JeffM_ | JBdiGriz, for a price that can probalby be done |
| 18:50.58 | JeffM_ | I need to find out what his bigest screen is, but I haven't yet since we don't have a design |
| 18:51.58 | Winny | darn |
| 18:52.02 | JeffM_ | JBdiGriz, I have the store framework setup with dummy products |
| 18:52.04 | JeffM_ | http://store.bzflag.bz/ |
| 18:52.31 | Winny | you should leave the brlcad thing there and see how many people buy it :P |
| 18:52.37 | JeffM_ | heh |
| 18:52.54 | JeffM_ | I did think of one that was "A Beer from a BZFlag developer" |
| 18:53.09 | JeffM_ | and send them a cupon for if they ever see a dev, that dev has to buy them a beer |
| 18:53.20 | JBdiGriz | We can make that available in several locations. |
| 18:53.21 | L4m3r | I think it'd cost more than $25 to fly brlcad out to whoever bought that |
| 18:53.33 | JeffM_ | JBdiGriz, exactly |
| 18:53.42 | JeffM_ | L4m3r, that dosn't include shipping |
| 18:53.52 | L4m3r | JeffM_: You're Doing It Wrong (tm) |
| 18:53.52 | JeffM_ | it has a shiping weight of 175lbs |
| 18:54.08 | KTL | someone has done a lot of work on that store |
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| 18:54.14 | L4m3r | it'd be much easier and more fun to do "A Beer *for* a BZFlag developer" |
| 18:54.20 | L4m3r | :P |
| 18:54.21 | JeffM_ | KTL, it's zencart |
| 18:54.28 | Winny | "honey, I shunk the blast007_mini" |
| 18:54.32 | JBdiGriz | L4m3r: We do that all the time. |
| 18:54.37 | JeffM_ | KTL, like I said, it was just a quicky sample I made |
| 18:54.39 | L4m3r | ;) |
| 18:54.40 | JeffM_ | for testing |
| 18:54.41 | blast007_mini | Winny: :P |
| 18:55.03 | JeffM_ | L4m3r, I was thinking of more of a donation reward ;) |
| 18:55.05 | blast007_mini | meh, this is gonna take a while to build trunk on the mac... haven't built since the copyright flood :( |
| 18:55.10 | JeffM_ | heh |
| 18:55.30 | L4m3r | on that note, happy March |
| 18:55.39 | L4m3r | time is flying lately >_> |
| 18:56.21 | JeffM_ | KTL, if you have any ideas for full design, please submit them :) |
| 18:56.33 | JeffM_ | but we can't use that image |
| 18:56.43 | JeffM_ | it's not 2 color |
| 18:56.55 | JeffM_ | with silkscreen you can't realy do "shades" of a color |
| 18:57.07 | JeffM_ | thats why I went with the wire outlines |
| 18:57.20 | JeffM_ | tho it does give me some ideas with the new tank model |
| 18:58.41 | JeffM_ | once we have a design and the guy makes the screen, we can basicly do pre-paid one offs of anything in this catalog when we print. http://www.imprintablecatalog.com/ |
| 18:59.23 | JeffM_ | tha'ts how we'll do the hoodies, I'll just have to get exact prices for them, but it's good to know that at least 3 people right now would buy them |
| 18:59.48 | L4m3r | :D |
| 19:00.23 | JeffM_ | my current plan for the short sleve shirt is ether olive green, military green, black, or a brown/tan |
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| 19:02.20 | blast007_mini | src/FTVectoriser.cpp:187: error: invalid conversion from 'GLvoid (*)()' to 'GLvoid (*)(...)' |
| 19:02.21 | blast007_mini | src/FTVectoriser.cpp:187: error: initializing argument 3 of 'void gluTessCallback(GLUtesselator*, GLenum, GLvoid (*)(...))' |
| 19:02.29 | blast007_mini | was the fix for that to remove the ... ? |
| 19:05.01 | JBdiGriz | Yes, I actually modified the check at the top to look for Apple version <= 5370 |
| 19:05.21 | JBdiGriz | I haven't checked that one in yet. |
| 19:05.50 | blast007_mini | okay, thanks, it's getting further now :) |
| 19:05.55 | JBdiGriz | What version of Xcode are you using? |
| 19:06.09 | blast007_mini | I'm not building with xcode |
| 19:06.17 | blast007_mini | straight from the terminal at this point |
| 19:06.42 | KTL | JeffM_, where is the page with the tshirt logo again? |
| 19:06.54 | Winny | store.bzflag.bz |
| 19:06.59 | KTL | the big logo |
| 19:07.04 | JeffM_ | KTL, oh the ones I made? |
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| 19:07.29 | JeffM_ | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/brown_shirt_4_color.png |
| 19:07.30 | KTL | well he can see what has been done allready, no idea what he will do, maybe ... is there an obj of the bz tank somewhere? |
| 19:07.31 | JeffM_ | that one? |
| 19:07.41 | blast007_mini | not even sure where to find xcode to check what version I have |
| 19:07.46 | KTL | yes |
| 19:07.54 | JeffM_ | an obj, no. I did a vrml of it |
| 19:08.07 | JeffM_ | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/tank1.wrl |
| 19:08.18 | JeffM_ | there is the old tank somewhere too |
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| 19:09.34 | JeffM_ | I don't think I had the origonal one anywhere |
| 19:10.25 | blast007_mini | JBdiGriz: XCode 2.3 |
| 19:10.47 | blast007_mini | osx 10.4.10 |
| 19:11.02 | JBdiGriz | The 5370 should be sufficient then. That's the Apple cc version from Xcode 2.5. |
| 19:13.29 | blast007_mini | it's going, but it'll take a while. it's a 1.25GHZ G4 ;) |
| 19:13.53 | JeffM_ | KTL, please note that I am not the end all/be all of shirt design, I was just playing around. I am very much open to work from other people |
| 19:14.27 | KTL | i tell him that :) |
| 19:15.01 | JeffM_ | just note that the design needs to be made of solid colors |
| 19:15.06 | JeffM_ | more colors cost more |
| 19:15.18 | JeffM_ | right now I've got the prices planed out for 2 colors |
| 19:15.24 | JeffM_ | on a dark shirt |
| 19:15.37 | KTL | so the color of the shirt + 2 additional colors |
| 19:15.41 | JeffM_ | yes |
| 19:15.49 | JeffM_ | no blends, no gradients, no shades |
| 19:16.01 | JeffM_ | the ink ether goes down or it does not, bevause it's very thick |
| 19:17.28 | JeffM_ | crickets... |
| 19:18.21 | KTL | how come there isn't an obj file of the bztank around? |
| 19:18.30 | JeffM_ | there is |
| 19:18.36 | JeffM_ | it's not totaly accurate |
| 19:18.42 | JeffM_ | because bzflag dosn't read them from models |
| 19:18.47 | JeffM_ | I have one at home |
| 19:18.51 | JeffM_ | but I am not there right now |
| 19:19.15 | KTL | i can send him that file too then, soon |
| 19:19.25 | JeffM_ | who is "him" |
| 19:19.46 | JeffM_ | now the old tank kinda sucks as an artwork model |
| 19:19.55 | KTL | just a friend who has nothing to do with bzflag, but he is design-sensitive |
| 19:19.57 | JeffM_ | it is self intersecting, dosn't have treads, etcc. |
| 19:20.20 | JeffM_ | I have a modified version that I plan to use as the defualt tank for 3.0 |
| 19:20.27 | JeffM_ | it's what I used to make that art |
| 19:20.41 | JeffM_ | that I can get you as VRML now, and any other format later |
| 19:20.48 | JeffM_ | unless it's on the external |
| 19:21.09 | JeffM_ | oh, look. I have the old tank too |
| 19:21.19 | JeffM_ | KTL, I'm not home till sunday night |
| 19:21.31 | KTL | np |
| 19:22.16 | JeffM_ | http://www.opencombat.net/files/tank.obj |
| 19:22.21 | JeffM_ | that should be the classic tank |
| 19:22.22 | JeffM_ | I hope |
| 19:22.26 | JeffM_ | ether that or a hover tank |
| 19:22.43 | JeffM_ | I may have the new tank on my car keys |
| 19:23.58 | JeffM_ | I have the redone tank as a lightwave object |
| 19:24.00 | JeffM_ | that's it |
| 19:24.26 | blast007 | this might be one too: http://static.bzexcess.com/models/tankwithtreads.obj |
| 19:24.28 | JeffM_ | I only want to put one more thing into it |
| 19:24.47 | JeffM_ | that one there is a remodel of the tank, with treads |
| 19:24.55 | JeffM_ | it's not accurate to current code, but close |
| 19:24.55 | blast007 | ah |
| 19:25.02 | JeffM_ | good enough for art |
| 19:25.22 | JeffM_ | I never dumped trepans treads from the code to an obj |
| 19:25.23 | Winny | blast007: that doesn't have UV coords |
| 19:25.29 | Winny | IIRC |
| 19:25.31 | JeffM_ | so a couple people have rebuilt them in blender |
| 19:25.48 | JeffM_ | need to finish uv maping the new one soon |
| 19:25.59 | JeffM_ | I only wan to model one more thing on it, gas vents on the barrel |
| 19:26.15 | blast007 | JeffM_: is there a good way to dump the GL code to an .obj? |
| 19:26.29 | JeffM_ | but here are the LWOs http://www.opencombat.net/files/redoneTank_art.lwo and http://www.opencombat.net/files/redoneTank_art_triangulated.lwo |
| 19:26.39 | JeffM_ | blast007 write an app called GLPoop. |
| 19:26.44 | blast007 | heh |
| 19:26.47 | JeffM_ | it is not easy |
| 19:27.02 | JeffM_ | I lost the code that made the first one |
| 19:27.16 | JeffM_ | I wrote another dumper but it dosn't do strips and fans right |
| 19:27.34 | blast007 | the app would just have functions that are named the same as the GL calls? |
| 19:27.38 | JeffM_ | in the end I just remodeled the treads for the new tank, Ididn't like the round ones |
| 19:28.08 | JeffM_ | blast007 yeah, glBegin, glEnd,glVertex3f, glNormal3f,and glTexCoord2f |
| 19:28.52 | JeffM_ | I have it here, you want it to play with and try to fix? |
| 19:29.30 | blast007 | sure |
| 19:29.48 | JeffM_ | http://www.opencombat.net/files/code/ |
| 19:29.53 | JeffM_ | the gldump zip |
| 19:31.21 | JeffM_ | animated treads on the new tank should look very nice, they are offset, but follow the shape of the classic tank, and don't look cartoony |
| 19:32.37 | JeffM_ | KTL, you should give him the icon image too, as that is probably our best official image |
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| 19:33.43 | Winny | JeffM_, what would ya think of a grungey style shirt? |
| 19:33.59 | JeffM_ | as in disressed, I'd like it |
| 19:34.01 | blast007 | hmm, the mini failed to build |
| 19:34.24 | JeffM_ | the logo I made was simply inspired but a button saturos did |
| 19:34.28 | blast007 | /usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols: |
| 19:34.30 | blast007 | _display |
| 19:34.37 | Wyk3d | hello, has anyone succeeded in running BZFlag through a socks proxy via FreeCap or SocksCap ? |
| 19:34.55 | blast007 | Wyk3d: not even worth trying |
| 19:35.01 | JeffM_ | Wyk3d, no, not really, it would be too slow to play, and genrealy they don't do UDP |
| 19:35.02 | blast007 | you won't be able to play |
| 19:35.03 | Winny | your lag would be sky high |
| 19:35.11 | blast007 | why do you need to play over a proxy? |
| 19:35.17 | Wyk3d | all ports blocked |
| 19:35.23 | JeffM_ | blast007 that should be a paramater in beginPlaying or something |
| 19:35.33 | blast007 | all of them? |
| 19:35.44 | JeffM_ | Wyk3d, that mean they don't want you to play games |
| 19:35.47 | blast007 | wouldn't that include the socks proxy port? :P |
| 19:35.47 | Wyk3d | well no, stuff like http work but .. |
| 19:36.10 | blast007 | at a school or workplace? |
| 19:36.12 | Wyk3d | no JeffM_ the Counter Strike ports are open :)) |
| 19:36.23 | Wyk3d | school dorm |
| 19:36.31 | blast007 | school is for learning, not gaming |
| 19:36.49 | JeffM_ | how did the CS ports get open? |
| 19:36.57 | Wyk3d | they opened it :) |
| 19:36.59 | Winny | says blast007 as he probably teaches a class :P |
| 19:37.05 | Wyk3d | i don't know .. |
| 19:37.07 | JeffM_ | then have THEM open the bzflag ones |
| 19:37.19 | JeffM_ | gaming via proxy is never good |
| 19:37.20 | blast007 | Winny: do I have my mini at work? nope |
| 19:37.27 | Winny | true |
| 19:37.44 | Wyk3d | well i have a fairly good proxy, just for me but .. |
| 19:38.03 | JeffM_ | just the entire concept of the proxy makes it slow |
| 19:38.46 | Wyk3d | alright .. i'll try to get T.H.E.M to open bzflag ports |
| 19:38.50 | Wyk3d | :)) |
| 19:39.22 | blast007 | 5154 TCP/UDP is the default, but many servers run on other ports too |
| 19:39.34 | blast007 | but you'd at least be able to play on some servers |
| 19:39.34 | Winny | the usual range is 5100-5200 |
| 19:39.56 | Winny | although lots of people go into 4000's too |
| 19:40.10 | blast007 | JBdiGriz: are you able to build the latest svn trunk on your mac? |
| 19:40.36 | JBdiGriz | Yes, but I had to modify that one file. |
| 19:40.42 | blast007 | hmm |
| 19:40.46 | blast007 | mine is failing to link |
| 19:41.00 | JBdiGriz | Actually, I upgraded from svn yesterday, so I haven't checked today's sources. |
| 19:41.16 | blast007 | would you quick? wanna see if it's just a bad build here |
| 19:41.19 | JBdiGriz | I was having an issue with SDL, but I fixed the installation of SDL. |
| 19:41.32 | blast007 | takes so long on my machine, I'd hate to rebuild and have it give me the same error ;D |
| 19:41.48 | JBdiGriz | I'd rather keep a version where I can debug this network issue. ;D |
| 19:41.59 | blast007 | hmm, let me roll back a few revisions |
| 19:42.08 | blast007 | what svn revision are you on? svn info will show |
| 19:42.29 | Winny | blah, grunge is hard to do with 2 colors |
| 19:42.50 | JBdiGriz | Revision: 16651, updated on 2/26 |
| 19:43.07 | blast007 | thx |
| 19:43.12 | JBdiGriz | I'm saving off what I have, and I will upgrade to the latest. |
| 19:43.28 | blast007 | ok |
| 19:44.11 | blast007 | I'll rolling back to your revision there and seeing if it'll link |
| 19:44.19 | Wyk3d | just out of curiosity though, what exactly in BZFlag makes it not work with proxies ? .. I searched the FreeCap log and found this: "bzflag.exe [WARN] You're trying to establish tunnel for UDP stream, but you're using external proxy. It will not work." |
| 19:45.17 | Wyk3d | don't mind the lag, it doesn't even load the server list .. |
| 19:46.00 | Winny | most proxies don't do UDP |
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| 19:54.24 | blast007 | do *any* do UDP? |
| 19:56.57 | Wyk3d | From the Socks5 RFC documentation: The protocol described here is designed to provide a framework for |
| 19:56.57 | Wyk3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.57 | Wyk3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.54 | JeffM_ | Wyk3d, that may be so, but not all servers are set up to do that, and the bigest thing is, we don't do the socks, or any proxy protocolls in the game |
| 19:58.10 | JeffM_ | and no mater what it's laggy, and bzflag is very lag sensitive |
| 20:00.15 | Wyk3d | yes about that .. what makes BZFlag sensitive to lag ? |
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| 20:02.04 | JeffM_ | the way it's writen |
| 20:02.20 | JeffM_ | all action games are senitive in some way to lag |
| 20:02.54 | JeffM_ | the basic idea is, when you send out an update that says where you are, when it gets to everyone else, you arn't there anymore |
| 20:02.54 | blast007 | a proxy would usually be slower than trying to run over 56k |
| 20:03.02 | blast007 | since with a dialup modem, you'd at least have UDP |
| 20:03.25 | JeffM_ | yeah the time the proxy takes to translate the messages just adds lag |
| 20:03.55 | JeffM_ | KTL, this is what inspired what I did, http://16011.spreadshirt.net/de/DE/Shop/Article/Index/article/2492566 |
| 20:03.58 | Wyk3d | what if you send a timestamp, to tell everyone when that update was sent and then you can interpolate the correct location based on the movement direction ? |
| 20:04.09 | JeffM_ | that can help |
| 20:04.16 | JeffM_ | but if you turn, it screws it all up again |
| 20:04.26 | JeffM_ | the more lag you have the more possible postions you could be in |
| 20:04.33 | JeffM_ | since the input is basicly random |
| 20:05.13 | JeffM_ | we do the timestamp thing in our development version |
| 20:05.25 | Wyk3d | cool |
| 20:05.25 | JeffM_ | basicly bzflag was writen as a LAN game |
| 20:05.29 | JeffM_ | not an internet game |
| 20:05.52 | JeffM_ | so it makes a great number of asumption |
| 20:06.38 | Wyk3d | i see, thanks for the info :) |
| 20:07.24 | JeffM_ | if you want to code up proxy support you are more then welcome too |
| 20:07.28 | JeffM_ | so you can see how bad it is |
| 20:07.39 | Wyk3d | hehe |
| 20:08.10 | Wyk3d | well, well i wouldn't need proxy support per se.. SocksCap or FreeCap works perfectly with most applications |
| 20:08.19 | JeffM_ | then try it out |
| 20:08.22 | Wyk3d | i did |
| 20:08.24 | Wyk3d | doesn't work :) |
| 20:08.30 | Wyk3d | i have no clue why .. |
| 20:08.30 | JeffM_ | then find out why and fix it |
| 20:09.08 | JeffM_ | thats what debugers are for |
| 20:09.56 | blast007 | JeffM_: we need to add more graphical enhancements. the mini can still run 2.99. ;) |
| 20:10.12 | JeffM_ | we need to fix bugs |
| 20:10.12 | JBdiGriz | I assume the link worked? |
| 20:10.26 | JeffM_ | then I can kill it with new tank models |
| 20:10.51 | blast007 | JBdiGriz: after I rolled back to your version, I had another issue that I think ts fixed (the 'long long' thing) |
| 20:11.02 | blast007 | so I rolled forward 3 or 4 revisions and it worked |
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| 20:11.13 | blast007 | JeffM_: and I think you broke the mac build then with your display changes |
| 20:11.20 | JeffM_ | perhaps |
| 20:11.27 | JBdiGriz | Ah yes, I did fix that one as well. I just removed that long long, and the associated lld in the format. |
| 20:11.43 | blast007 | JBdiGriz: that one has been fixed already |
| 20:11.54 | JeffM_ | can we not use a global named "display"? |
| 20:11.55 | blast007 | oh, the lld thing? |
| 20:11.59 | JeffM_ | cus I can change it if need be |
| 20:12.10 | blast007 | JeffM_: the error mentioned the symbol '_display' |
| 20:12.16 | JeffM_ | where? |
| 20:12.24 | blast007 | when linking the client, afaik |
| 20:12.26 | JeffM_ | cus there used to be a var named _display |
| 20:12.31 | JeffM_ | it should have been removed |
| 20:12.41 | JBdiGriz | I'm definitely getting an error with the display on the client cleanup. |
| 20:13.03 | blast007 | JBdiGriz: did yours build with all the latest code? or did you have to make a change |
| 20:13.06 | blast007 | ? |
| 20:13.30 | JBdiGriz | I'm still building with the latest version. I made sure to clean everything before starting the build. |
| 20:13.36 | JeffM_ | JBdiGriz, you have very current code? cus I fixed a problem with the display on cleanup |
| 20:14.00 | JBdiGriz | That was from the tuesday build. I will check it out with the latest code. |
| 20:14.03 | JeffM_ | we were setting display to null in startPlaying |
| 20:14.17 | JeffM_ | JBdiGriz, ok, then yeah it should be fixed as of this morning |
| 20:14.28 | JBdiGriz | That sounds like the problem. When it got to cleanup, it was apparently missing. |
| 20:14.32 | JeffM_ | yeah |
| 20:14.54 | JeffM_ | we used to have like 5 copies of the display pointer, often named the same thing, and I consolodated it down to one global |
| 20:15.12 | JeffM_ | but missed a place where we set a local to null, and it had the same name soo.. boom |
| 20:15.26 | JBdiGriz | I'm actually trying to work on the network connection on join. It's surprising how long it takes to get to that point. ;) |
| 20:15.35 | JeffM_ | yeah we do a lot of stuff |
| 20:15.54 | JeffM_ | more then I expected when I started to do cleanup |
| 20:16.12 | JBdiGriz | Unfortunately, a lot of that stuff isn't in my domain. |
| 20:16.41 | JeffM_ | well thats why I'm trying to split it into it's own functions |
| 20:16.48 | JeffM_ | better seperation etc.. |
| 20:17.10 | JeffM_ | blast007 did you do a clean? |
| 20:17.16 | JBdiGriz | As soon as I can get down into the network code, I'll ask you about splitting that out as well. |
| 20:17.21 | JeffM_ | heh |
| 20:17.24 | blast007 | JeffM_: no |
| 20:17.42 | JeffM_ | blast007 I bet you have cruft from the old function def, try it clean |
| 20:17.54 | JeffM_ | _display used to be a local param that we'd set display too |
| 20:18.03 | JeffM_ | what was stupid, was it was passed in from display |
| 20:18.03 | blast007 | JeffM_: I might be able to get that GLDump to work |
| 20:18.05 | JBdiGriz | clean goes very quickly, but the build after the clean takes a while. |
| 20:18.10 | JeffM_ | blast007 cool |
| 20:18.28 | blast007 | I already had a chunk of code with all the tank stuff in in, in the attempt to make a rotating tank screensaver |
| 20:18.33 | JeffM_ | heh |
| 20:18.34 | blast007 | including the new treads |
| 20:18.48 | JeffM_ | all it needs is the fan and strip stuff figgured out |
| 20:18.53 | JeffM_ | I dind't spend much time on them |
| 20:19.29 | JeffM_ | other then that it's not super complex code |
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| 20:35.03 | blast007 | hmm, well, now I'm not getting anything coming into Wings3D when I import :) |
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| 20:35.31 | JeffM_ | try the tankviewer |
| 20:36.29 | JeffM_ | did you remember that OBJ verts are 1 based? |
| 20:37.15 | blast007 | all I did was copy and paste in all the GL code functions I had ;) |
| 20:37.16 | JeffM_ | did I remember that too? ;) |
| 20:37.24 | blast007 | I didn't touch anything else yet |
| 20:38.28 | blast007 | oh, I need SDL for tankview :) |
| 20:38.49 | JeffM_ | yeah |
| 20:39.03 | JeffM_ | hmmm saturos is charging 20$ for a shirt |
| 20:39.07 | JeffM_ | wonder how many he sold |
| 20:39.21 | blast007 | meh, they have VC6 and VC8 dev binaries... |
| 20:39.42 | blast007 | should I just build my own? |
| 20:39.46 | JeffM_ | heh |
| 20:42.45 | blast007 | 4 copies of visual studio now :) |
| 20:45.02 | blast007 | bah, and SDL_image |
| 20:46.18 | Winny | JeffM_, where does he sell his? Never seem 'em... |
| 20:46.51 | JeffM_ | http://16011.spreadshirt.net/ |
| 20:47.05 | JeffM_ | it's all print on demand stuff |
| 20:48.19 | blast007 | JeffM_: you wouldn't happen to have a pre-build tankview, would you? :P |
| 20:48.26 | JeffM_ | not here |
| 20:48.29 | blast007 | I need libpng now too |
| 20:48.31 | blast007 | hehe, k |
| 20:48.53 | JeffM_ | does the obj look ok in a text editor? |
| 20:49.17 | blast007 | it looks like letter and numbers :P |
| 20:49.24 | blast007 | so... |
| 20:49.24 | blast007 | maybe |
| 20:50.14 | JeffM_ | http://chumbalum.swissquake.ch/ms3d/download.html |
| 20:52.35 | JBdiGriz | That lld error in bzrobots appears to still be there in MessageUtilities.cxx. |
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| 20:58.00 | blast007 | oh, wonder if it was building bzrobots when it gave me that error |
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| 20:58.28 | blast007 | guess I find out in a bit here, as it's rebuilding from after a make clean |
| 21:06.01 | Mets | ok i have a totally noobish question |
| 21:06.21 | Mets | where do the plugins end up after I compile from source (linux) |
| 21:07.27 | JeffM_ | in a folder called .lib |
| 21:08.31 | Mets | hmm, I used --prefix to install it to /home/mets/bzflag |
| 21:08.36 | Mets | when i configured |
| 21:08.51 | JeffM_ | plug-ins arn't installed |
| 21:09.01 | JeffM_ | look in each plug-in dir |
| 21:09.06 | JeffM_ | tehre should be a .lib dir |
| 21:09.12 | JeffM_ | it'll be hiden |
| 21:09.54 | Mets | back where I unpacked the initial source |
| 21:10.01 | blast007 | a 'make install' does install the plugins |
| 21:10.23 | JeffM_ | and unziping them dosn't build them |
| 21:10.30 | JeffM_ | you have to go get them manualy to use them |
| 21:10.39 | Mets | I know unzipping doesn't build them |
| 21:10.48 | blast007 | did you add them to the build system? |
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| 21:11.04 | Mets | I did run make install, it put two folders in the output: bin and share |
| 21:11.18 | JeffM_ | dude.. make install doesn't do anything with plug-ins |
| 21:11.21 | JeffM_ | area you listening? |
| 21:11.31 | Mets | blast007, I believe, I saw it while configuring |
| 21:11.43 | JeffM_ | you will see them when configuing |
| 21:11.48 | JeffM_ | but it dosn't copy them anywhere |
| 21:11.55 | JeffM_ | it leaves them in .lib |
| 21:12.02 | blast007 | mine installs to lib/ |
| 21:12.15 | blast007 | the plugins, that is |
| 21:12.24 | JeffM_ | in what dir? |
| 21:12.28 | JeffM_ | root /lib? |
| 21:12.34 | blast007 | well, it would |
| 21:12.39 | blast007 | I have them go to /usr/local/lib/bzflag |
| 21:12.49 | Mets | I'm not seeing any .lib directory anywhere :( |
| 21:12.53 | blast007 | or maybe /usr/lib |
| 21:12.57 | blast007 | not sure where it defaults to |
| 21:13.00 | JeffM_ | looking for hidden dirs? |
| 21:13.22 | Mets | yes |
| 21:13.28 | JeffM_ | where are you looking? |
| 21:13.52 | blast007 | Mets: you should probably pass --libdir=/whatever/you/want/lib |
| 21:13.55 | blast007 | to configure |
| 21:14.03 | blast007 | that controls where the plugins go |
| 21:14.10 | blast007 | --prefix might just be for the binaries |
| 21:14.26 | Mets | I looked in the output directory, in the original source directory, and a few of the plugin directories from source |
| 21:14.35 | Mets | hmm guess I can try that |
| 21:17.12 | blast007 | okay, and yes, it was bzrobots that fails with that symbol error about _display |
| 21:17.31 | blast007_mini | turned off the bots and trying again |
| 21:17.37 | Mets | can I compile without the client to speed it up? |
| 21:17.44 | blast007 | --disable-client |
| 21:17.53 | Mets | *duh* thanks |
| 21:18.14 | blast007 | ;) |
| 21:18.34 | Mets | heh, whenever you guess the obvious it isn't, and vice versa |
| 21:20.37 | Mets | k the --libdir= did nothing |
| 21:21.11 | blast007 | you're building 2.0.x? |
| 21:21.20 | Mets | 2.0.10 |
| 21:21.22 | blast007 | do you have --enable-shared as well? |
| 21:21.31 | blast007 | that's what builds the plugins |
| 21:21.41 | Mets | ...oups |
| 21:21.56 | blast007 | on 2.99.x, I think it automatically detects if they can be built now |
| 21:26.17 | Mets | sweet, all fixed, thanks |
| 21:26.35 | Mets | for the record, make install does put the plugins in the directory if you use --libdir= |
| 21:27.19 | blast007 | in which directory? |
| 21:27.27 | blast007 | the one you specify? |
| 21:27.33 | blast007 | cuz yes, it does |
| 21:27.35 | Mets | i did --libdir=/home/mets/bzflag/lib |
| 21:27.36 | Mets | yeah |
| 21:27.47 | Mets | put everything there quite nicely |
| 21:27.56 | blast007 | oh, "does" |
| 21:28.06 | blast007 | closer* |
| 21:28.09 | Mets | :p |
| 21:30.18 | Mets | speaking of plugins, is running newplug.sh actually necesssary or can I just go in and add the plugin directory to the Makefile and configure.ac |
| 21:30.58 | blast007 | you can typically just add the plugin by hand |
| 21:31.05 | blast007 | unless their build system wasn't set up right |
| 21:31.20 | blast007 | (like, if they didn't update their Makefile for the plugin) |
| 21:33.59 | blast007 | hmm, now the mac build isn't crashing on exit |
| 21:34.23 | blast007 | it crashed once after the rebuild though (or at least stopped responding when I tried to close) |
| 21:34.27 | blast007 | but it's not doing it now |
| 21:36.28 | JeffM_ | well that's good |
| 21:36.37 | blast007 | JeffM_: Milkshape gives me nothing either |
| 21:36.40 | JeffM_ | hmmm |
| 21:36.54 | blast007 | let me see which tank part is killing it |
| 21:37.01 | JeffM_ | are there any calls to glBegin(GL_TRIANGLES) |
| 21:37.34 | blast007 | yeah |
| 21:37.48 | JeffM_ | hmm those should at least work |
| 21:37.49 | blast007 | in DrawTankSides |
| 21:37.57 | JeffM_ | hmm |
| 21:38.02 | blast007 | I worked until I had it draw the wheels, I think |
| 21:38.33 | JeffM_ | heh, trunk won't even do wheels anymore |
| 21:38.50 | blast007 | oh? |
| 21:39.04 | JeffM_ | I took em out |
| 21:39.10 | blast007 | heh |
| 21:39.11 | JeffM_ | cus they are hardcoded |
| 21:39.21 | JeffM_ | can't do them with an obj cus it dosn't have animation info |
| 21:39.27 | blast007 | ah |
| 21:39.34 | JeffM_ | I'll add em back in later |
| 21:39.40 | blast007 | k |
| 21:39.49 | JeffM_ | ether with specialy named meshes, or a tank defintion document |
| 21:39.51 | JeffM_ | the tdd |
| 21:39.58 | blast007 | hehe |
| 21:40.29 | JeffM_ | then we'll have a tank refrecne document |
| 21:40.35 | JeffM_ | the TRD |
| 21:52.05 | brlcad | whodaman-: translation of "wanted" and "game developer"? |
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| 22:00.47 | whodaman- | brlcad, you don't think they'll understand that? |
| 22:01.26 | JeffM_ | is there a problem translatingit? |
| 22:02.30 | whodaman- | "Programmierer gesucht" |
| 22:02.52 | whodaman- | Programmierer = game developer |
| 22:02.58 | whodaman- | gesucht more or less = wanted |
| 22:06.21 | JeffM_ | any accents? |
| 22:06.47 | whodaman- | no? |
| 22:06.58 | whodaman- | german has no accents |
| 22:08.21 | Gilly | ich dachte die Leute in der Schweiz sprechen eigenartig deutsch |
| 22:09.03 | Gilly | aber mein deutsch kenntnisse ist fast nicht existent :P |
| 22:10.23 | JeffM_ | what do you call that two dot heavy metal thing? |
| 22:10.32 | brlcad | whodaman-: you tell me |
| 22:10.39 | JeffM_ | maybe accent wasn't the right term |
| 22:10.45 | Gilly | umlaut? |
| 22:10.47 | whodaman- | yes |
| 22:10.47 | Gilly | ä ö |
| 22:10.48 | JeffM_ | "thingy over a letter" |
| 22:10.48 | whodaman- | ? |
| 22:10.53 | JeffM_ | yeah any of those |
| 22:11.02 | brlcad | and why don't I believe that Programmierer == game dev .. seems more like Programmierer == Programmer :) |
| 22:11.02 | whodaman- | brlcad, I didn't translate that because I assumed they'd understand anyways |
| 22:11.13 | Gilly | brlcad: that's right :P |
| 22:11.46 | whodaman- | there's not really a good term for that in german |
| 22:11.47 | Gilly | Spielprogrammierer? :) |
| 22:11.55 | whodaman- | meh |
| 22:12.13 | whodaman- | And anyways most germans speak English quite well, at least the large majority does |
| 22:12.19 | Gilly | i had a big training session in german today :P |
| 22:12.28 | Gilly | sadly I suck in that language |
| 22:13.36 | whodaman- | brlcad, a lot of flyers and such have big english titles and then german text |
| 22:13.40 | whodaman- | makes them look "cool" |
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| 22:18.24 | brlcad | Manu: .es uploaded |
| 22:18.54 | jftsang | I think I asked before, but is there any support for East Asian fonts with BZFlag |
| 22:19.56 | Winny | I think 2.0 only supports ASCII, not 100% sure though |
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| 22:21.00 | brlcad | .de version uploaded too |
| 22:21.07 | brlcad | check them and make sure they look alright |
| 22:21.14 | whodaman- | brlcad, where to? |
| 22:21.43 | whodaman- | as in, where can I see them |
| 22:22.03 | brlcad | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2008 |
| 22:22.53 | whodaman- | *looks, even |
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| 22:29.18 | whodaman- | brlcad, if you wanted to put the "wanted game dev." in german than it'd have to be "Programmierer Gesucht" |
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| 22:29.27 | whodaman- | There's really no german word for game dev |
| 22:29.38 | Winny | make one! |
| 22:29.43 | whodaman- | k |
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| 22:29.45 | whodaman- | 'Winny sucks' |
| 22:29.47 | whodaman- | yay! |
| 22:30.18 | Winny | game developer isn't one word in english either? |
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| 22:30.35 | whodaman- | your point? |
| 22:30.49 | whodaman- | 'Spiel Programmierer' |
| 22:30.51 | whodaman- | hm, sounds odd |
| 22:31.05 | Winny | Programmierer du Spiel? |
| 22:31.14 | Winny | dunno, trying to remember how french would do it :P |
| 22:31.18 | whodaman- | Programmierst du |
| 22:31.25 | whodaman- | 1 person singular |
| 22:31.27 | whodaman- | *2 |
| 22:33.23 | think_tank | Entwickler? |
| 22:33.34 | whodaman- | think_tank, going to leo.org does not work |
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| 22:33.50 | brlcad | don't worry about it |
| 22:33.57 | whodaman- | brlcad, english works fine |
| 22:34.03 | whodaman- | for the title |
| 22:34.11 | brlcad | it's already taken hours just to get them updated and regenerated formats uploaded |
| 22:34.12 | whodaman- | everything else looks pretty good |
| 22:34.15 | brlcad | "good enough" |
| 22:38.40 | Manu | brlcad: downloading... :) |
| 22:39.13 | Constitution | ~brlcad++ |
| 22:39.26 | whodaman- | yep |
| 22:39.30 | whodaman- | ~brlcad++ indeed |
| 22:39.38 | Winny | ~brlcad++ |
| 22:39.41 | Winny | ~jeffm++ |
| 22:40.16 | Constitution | ~karma whodaman |
| 22:40.16 | ibot | whodaman has karma of 1 |
| 22:40.18 | Constitution | ~karma whodaman- |
| 22:40.18 | ibot | whodaman- has karma of 12 |
| 22:40.24 | Constitution | well then |
| 22:40.30 | Constitution | ~whodaman-++ |
| 22:40.34 | whodaman- | ah :) |
| 22:40.38 | whodaman- | yeah, whodaman is for the haters |
| 22:43.10 | whodaman- | grr |
| 22:43.17 | whodaman- | brlcad, I found a mistake :\ |
| 22:44.13 | Winny | oh noez |
| 22:44.26 | Manu | whodaman-: in the spanish version? :) |
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| 22:44.53 | Manu | whodaman-: I reported it :) |
| 22:45.05 | cl0aked | good evening guys |
| 22:45.12 | Winny | hi |
| 22:45.13 | Constitution | hi |
| 22:45.19 | cl0aked | :D |
| 22:45.49 | Winny | D: |
| 22:48.00 | whodaman- | http://pastebin.ca/925042 |
| 22:48.04 | whodaman- | brlcad, ^& |
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| 22:48.34 | whodaman- | it's "Programmierern" and not whatever else I had, forgot the 'n' or something |
| 22:48.40 | whodaman- | sorry about that |
| 22:49.06 | Constitution | ~whodaman--- |
| 22:49.13 | Constitution | sorry, had to do that ;) |
| 22:49.14 | Winny | lol |
| 22:49.14 | whodaman- | .. |
| 22:49.27 | Constitution | ~whodaman-++ |
| 22:49.33 | whodaman- | :P |
| 22:49.45 | Winny | SOMEONE SAID THAT 7 SECONDS AGO |
| 22:49.47 | Winny | ~whodaman-++ |
| 22:49.48 | whodaman- | double checked it though! |
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| 22:54.50 | brlcad | whodaman-: what's the change? |
| 22:55.11 | Winny | "<whodaman-> it's "Programmierern" and not whatever else I had, forgot the 'n' or something" |
| 22:55.27 | whodaman- | it's the second to last sentence |
| 22:55.51 | whodaman- | It says 'Programmieren' |
| 22:55.53 | whodaman- | I think |
| 23:00.20 | brlcad | any other changes? |
| 23:00.41 | brlcad | please double-check .. it takes a while to create/upload new versions repeatedly |
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| 23:03.40 | whodaman- | brlcad, really nothing I can see... |
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| 23:27.34 | spldart | mmMMmm rammmmm |
| 23:42.43 | Winny | tonywolfe121's posts just get more and more incohearant :( |
| 23:47.00 | Winny | someone woke a 3 year old thread: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4781 |
