| 00:00.00 | JeffM | agree with who? |
| 00:00.12 | blast007 | I enjoy it when I can shoot upwards :P |
| 00:00.24 | blast007 | good for taking out WG players |
| 00:00.37 | DTRemenak | yup, turns L+some skill into an AA gun |
| 00:01.09 | DTRemenak | you can do a lot of nifty trick shots by using your tank's momentum |
| 00:01.09 | WeBeGood | blast i agree, great for taking out wings |
| 00:01.24 | DTRemenak | especially on low-friction worlds, or wings-heavy worlds with SKVV on |
| 00:02.23 | DTRemenak | and it's not like it's impossible to hit someone while moving sideways, you just have to keep in mind that your shot is not going to go straight |
| 00:04.47 | DTRemenak | anyway, now I think we're on the right track. I've explained why people think it's fun, now you can explain why other people think it's not as fun as the alternative you're proposing |
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| 00:05.53 | WeBeGood | DTR, you have lost me |
| 00:06.27 | WeBeGood | JeffM, is scoring a server function or client? |
| 00:06.43 | blast007 | WeBeGood: in 2.0 or 2.99.x? |
| 00:06.58 | DTRemenak | 2.0, client, 3.0, server |
| 00:07.12 | blast007 | 2.0 calculates the client's own score on their screen |
| 00:07.17 | WeBeGood | TeamScore += (NumberOfPlayersOnScoringTeam / NumberOfPlayersOnLosingTeam) ** 2; |
| 00:07.20 | blast007 | and the server calculates and sends out the scores of other players |
| 00:07.31 | blast007 | on 3.0, it's all the server |
| 00:07.35 | WeBeGood | would something like that go in the server or client? |
| 00:07.44 | WeBeGood | cool |
| 00:07.49 | WeBeGood | a plugin then |
| 00:07.53 | WeBeGood | ???????? |
| 00:07.59 | DTRemenak | yup, could be done as a plugin |
| 00:08.18 | WeBeGood | OK, cool. |
| 00:08.21 | blast007 | yeah, team score is fully severside on 2.0 and 3.0 |
| 00:08.59 | WeBeGood | Keeping a CTF gaming going without losing momentum of the game would be fun also |
| 00:09.00 | JeffM | well clietn computes it, but will accept a server overide. |
| 00:09.18 | JeffM | it's just the players score on 2.0.x won't accept a server overide for it's own score |
| 00:09.30 | WeBeGood | Ok, so the sever can simply overide it with the plugin |
| 00:09.43 | WeBeGood | constrained by what the client can display. |
| 00:09.45 | DTRemenak | yup. that sounds like a neat feature, and fairly simple, though |
| 00:10.02 | DTRemenak | might have a pretty good chance as a patch with a commandline option |
| 00:10.13 | WeBeGood | I have some others too, to make CTF play better. |
| 00:10.22 | WeBeGood | More fun. ;-) |
| 00:10.29 | DTRemenak | cool |
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| 00:11.22 | WeBeGood | I'm not a game designer, just a rocket scientist, so when there are physics errors with large magnitudes, it bothers me. |
| 00:11.47 | Winny | It's not a physics engine :) |
| 00:11.59 | WeBeGood | yes, understood |
| 00:12.31 | DTRemenak | I understand (had "a few" semesters of physics myself). You always need that little switch to turn on "suspension of disbelief" though :) |
| 00:13.02 | WeBeGood | It should have a physics engine that is correct, so people can relate real world to game world without learning new physics |
| 00:13.33 | WeBeGood | if game world physics are grossly wrong, it can teach real world childern incorrect physics |
| 00:14.19 | WeBeGood | JMO |
| 00:14.35 | blast007 | if kids learn physics from games, they're gonna learn a lot of wrong stuff |
| 00:14.47 | AHA | lol |
| 00:14.53 | DTRemenak | see, the thing is, we're not out to teach physics either :) (my opinion, of course) |
| 00:15.08 | CBG | Winny: every game has a physics engine. |
| 00:15.19 | blast007 | play some arcade racing games :P you hit a wall at 300 MPH, and you don't dent the bumper. |
| 00:15.19 | AHA | Im sure all the kids will think that the tanks in real life can jump onto buildings and grab flags that make them fly |
| 00:15.24 | CBG | Unless it's the sort of game where nothing can interact with anything else. ;) |
| 00:15.34 | Winny | CBG: you know what I'm talking about, stop trolling :) |
| 00:15.37 | Winny | :p |
| 00:15.41 | CBG | blast007: "arcade", sure. |
| 00:15.51 | CBG | Winny: *troll troll troll* |
| 00:15.57 | blast007 | CBG: there was that one truck racing game that was sold in stores... was supposedly the worst game ever released. |
| 00:16.06 | CBG | lol.. why? |
| 00:16.06 | blast007 | they didn't finish it ;) |
| 00:16.10 | CBG | heh |
| 00:16.34 | blast007 | you could drive the truck, but they hadn't coded collisions yet, or any AI for the other trucks, and there wasn't even any audio |
| 00:16.54 | CBG | ... wow |
| 00:17.20 | blast007 | http://www.gamespot.com/pc/driving/bigrigsotrr/review.html |
| 00:17.48 | CBG | rofl |
| 00:17.48 | blast007 | at least I think there wasn't any AI |
| 00:18.08 | blast007 | "Please do not play this game. We cannot stress this enough." |
| 00:19.38 | WeBeGood | Is anybody talking about updating the bzflag physics engine? |
| 00:19.39 | DTRemenak | heh. "This is to say, actually, that none of the game's races have a purpose because there's no competition and no time limit. You win every single time." |
| 00:20.27 | blast007 | "The supposedly computer-controlled truck you're supposed to be racing against in the game never actually moves." |
| 00:20.44 | Winny | wow |
| 00:21.41 | blast007 | I wonder how it earned a user score of 3.3 |
| 00:22.33 | blast007 | musta been a bunch of people that got together and said "let's vote 5 for the worst game ever!" |
| 00:22.33 | DTRemenak | sometimes things are so bad, they're fun |
| 00:22.33 | blast007 | or funny |
| 00:22.40 | DTRemenak | heh. http://www.gamespot.com/pc/driving/bigrigsotrr/player_review.html?id=550364&tag=readerreviews;continue;3 |
| 00:24.32 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:24.40 | Winny | take all kinds to make the world turn :P |
| 00:26.55 | a_temp_dist | gravity, molten core, accretion disc, etc |
| 00:28.55 | CBG | wow. pwned. |
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| 00:54.01 | Winny | blah |
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| 05:06.02 | pacman87 | using the 2.0 BZFS API: |
| 05:06.03 | pacman87 | bool bz_IPBanUser ( int playerIndex, const char* ip, int time, const char* reason ); |
| 05:06.03 | pacman87 | is playerIndex the playerID of the one to be banned? if so, why is the ip also required? |
| 05:06.03 | pacman87 | and what are the units for time? |
| 05:08.11 | a_meteorite | time should bz bz_getCurrentTime() + amount of time in seconds you want them to be banned |
| 05:08.50 | a_meteorite | as for why it wants IP, I guess that's so you could do octect banning (x.x.*.* or whatever) |
| 05:08.55 | JeffM | pacman87: it coudl be a range |
| 05:09.00 | a_meteorite | *octet |
| 05:09.09 | a_meteorite | yeah, what JeffM said |
| 05:09.19 | pacman87 | ah, cool |
| 05:09.33 | a_meteorite | though time may be just how many seconds you want to ban them |
| 05:09.37 | a_meteorite | I don't remember the implementation |
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| 07:09.23 | pacman87 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=121363 |
| 07:10.29 | L4m3r | I'm pretty sure that there was a check added to make sure a player was actually alive before being killed |
| 07:10.42 | pacman87 | this is for 2.0 |
| 07:10.45 | L4m3r | so dying at a faster pace than explodeTime should be possible |
| 07:10.53 | L4m3r | iirc it was committed to 2.0.9 |
| 07:11.13 | pacman87 | was that check in the client? |
| 07:11.26 | L4m3r | no... |
| 07:11.32 | L4m3r | the server knows when a player is alive |
| 07:11.52 | L4m3r | and this was fixed almost immediately as the griefers first appeared |
| 07:12.15 | pacman87 | i've seen it on my server |
| 07:12.23 | pacman87 | and i'm running 2.0.10 |
| 07:15.12 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 07:15.21 | pacman87 | there's a section in my logs where the playHistoryTracker plugin reports "... continues to rage on" about twice a second, with only two players on the server |
| 07:15.26 | pacman87 | and my _explode time is 5 |
| 07:16.01 | pacman87 | so that's around 10 deaths per second |
| 07:18.00 | L4m3r | if (!victim->isAlive()) return; |
| 07:18.23 | L4m3r | so unless they've found a way to spawn early |
| 07:18.45 | L4m3r | hm.... |
| 07:19.03 | pacman87 | where is this? |
| 07:19.58 | L4m3r | bzfs.cxx, playerKilled |
| 07:20.05 | L4m3r | in 2.0 DVN |
| 07:20.09 | L4m3r | SVN* |
| 07:20.17 | L4m3r | before any killer messages are sent |
| 07:20.27 | L4m3r | very odd indeed |
| 07:21.44 | pacman87 | could be they respawn early |
| 07:22.39 | L4m3r | yeah, I don't see a check |
| 07:24.59 | L4m3r | well that's silly |
| 07:26.48 | L4m3r | I'm not sure how I should fix that, though |
| 07:27.12 | pacman87 | is it worth it for the 2.0 branch? |
| 07:27.17 | L4m3r | certainly |
| 07:27.27 | L4m3r | it's a server side fix |
| 07:27.37 | pacman87 | ah, right |
| 07:27.39 | a_meteorite | many people run servers from SVN |
| 07:28.13 | pacman87 | i was thinking there wasnt' another release until 3.0, but that's just for the client, right? |
| 07:28.38 | a_meteorite | there won't be unless a critical issue needs to be done |
| 07:29.30 | L4m3r | yeah, we still make fixes |
| 07:29.55 | L4m3r | All the serious servers run from svn |
| 07:30.15 | L4m3r | and an anti-cheat fix would not go unused |
| 07:30.26 | L4m3r | (and early spawning is a cheat in its own right) |
| 07:30.32 | pacman87 | true |
| 07:31.34 | L4m3r | remind me to ask about it tomorrow |
| 07:31.45 | pacman87 | my algorithm should work, but i know nothing about the bzfs code, where to put it, or whether there's a better way to check |
| 07:32.13 | L4m3r | you could implement it with a plug-in for the time being |
| 07:32.21 | pacman87 | which is what i did ;) |
| 07:32.43 | L4m3r | you could just not allow spawns before _explodeTime has passed :P |
| 07:33.15 | L4m3r | it's not that complicated to write it into bzfs, but as far as I can tell, the server doesn't know when the player died |
| 07:33.21 | pacman87 | is there something in the bzfsAPI to control spawn timing? |
| 07:33.27 | L4m3r | so that has to be fixed |
| 07:33.31 | pacman87 | the playerDieEvent has a time with it |
| 07:33.36 | L4m3r | bz_AllowSpawn event or something |
| 07:33.39 | pacman87 | at least in the API |
| 07:33.56 | L4m3r | it has a time, but I'm not sure that bzfs actually stores it |
| 07:34.11 | pacman87 | ah |
| 07:34.22 | L4m3r | and I don't want to just go tweaking the player structure without talking about it first :P |
| 07:34.57 | pacman87 | well, until bzfs gets fixed, my plugin's out there |
| 07:35.46 | pacman87 | time to play some bzflag :) |
| 07:35.48 | L4m3r | for the best |
| 07:35.55 | L4m3r | it brought another issue to our attention :) |
| 07:36.04 | pacman87 | goodnight |
| 07:37.30 | a_meteorite | pacman87: did you release your plugin? |
| 07:37.50 | pacman87 | yes |
| 07:37.58 | pacman87 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=121363 |
| 07:38.06 | a_meteorite | ahh cool |
| 07:39.28 | Constitution | pacman87: have you tested it with a modified client? |
| 07:39.40 | pacman87 | modified? |
| 07:40.04 | Constitution | have you seen it work in practice :) |
| 07:40.07 | pacman87 | no |
| 07:40.12 | pacman87 | just wrote it tonight |
| 07:40.15 | Constitution | ah, k |
| 07:40.23 | pacman87 | idea was bouncing around for a week or two |
| 07:40.28 | pacman87 | finally got it all down |
| 07:41.13 | Constitution | what do you mean by "the same play erhas died twice in a row"? |
| 07:41.29 | Constitution | the player died and then died again before anyone else did? |
| 07:41.51 | pacman87 | right |
| 07:41.54 | Constitution | 'cause the cheater could just go in a loop and tk-kill everyone, and then go around again |
| 07:42.00 | pacman87 | no |
| 07:42.04 | pacman87 | cause the same player dies |
| 07:42.09 | pacman87 | it checks the dying player |
| 07:42.15 | Constitution | oh, right... ok |
| 07:42.19 | pacman87 | if no one else has died in between |
| 07:42.29 | pacman87 | implementation decisions |
| 07:42.38 | pacman87 | i didnt want to keep track of everyone's last death time |
| 07:43.54 | Constitution | once a player tk's, though, that player dies |
| 07:44.37 | pacman87 | yeah |
| 07:44.37 | Constitution | so if #1 is the cheating player, wouldn't it go #1, #2, #1, #3, #1, #4, etc.? |
| 07:45.41 | pacman87 | yeah, i only tested it on my all-rogue server... |
| 07:45.57 | pacman87 | it would work if it was targeting one player at a time, though |
| 07:46.23 | pacman87 | so i need to screen out the kills from the server due to a tk |
| 07:46.36 | Constitution | yeah |
| 07:46.40 | L4m3r | it's much easier to track the last time of death |
| 07:46.47 | pacman87 | per player? |
| 07:47.36 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 07:47.37 | Constitution | you could screen out the players who "blow themselves up" by checking if killerID == playerID |
| 07:47.43 | a_meteorite | std::set |
| 07:47.47 | L4m3r | std::map<int, double> |
| 07:47.54 | a_meteorite | er, map, yeah |
| 07:48.20 | pacman87 | then you have to worry about player joins/parts, right? |
| 07:48.32 | a_meteorite | that's easy, just nuke it when a person leaves |
| 07:48.44 | pacman87 | start the whole thing over? |
| 07:48.47 | a_meteorite | you don't even have to worry about it though |
| 07:48.58 | a_meteorite | cause you only access that one ID, it'd get reset |
| 07:49.03 | a_meteorite | eventually |
| 07:49.12 | a_meteorite | pacman87: no, you don't have to start the whole map over |
| 07:49.27 | L4m3r | you don't even have to maintain it, really |
| 07:49.33 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 07:49.37 | pacman87 | ah, right |
| 07:49.41 | a_meteorite | cause eventually the person would respawn and you'd set the time |
| 07:49.44 | pacman87 | cause if it's out of date, it doesnt matter |
| 07:49.45 | L4m3r | when someone rejoins in the same slot, the last death time will be way in the past |
| 07:49.45 | a_meteorite | reguardless of what ID |
| 07:49.52 | a_meteorite | mmhmm |
| 07:50.12 | L4m3r | tho I suppose you should initialize them to 0 when a player joins |
| 07:50.33 | pacman87 | just get the max # of players for the server |
| 07:50.36 | a_meteorite | unless you happen to be OCD about that sorta stuff, though I'm sure stl already allocates a lot of memory and it doesn't really grow at all |
| 07:50.42 | pacman87 | and set everything up at once |
| 07:50.51 | a_meteorite | no, that's not needed |
| 07:51.09 | L4m3r | std::map is easier, just set as you go |
| 07:51.40 | a_meteorite | yeah, stl is really about simplicity.. it handles all the dirty work.. as long as you don't go in some rampant loop and then never go back and get rid of the unneeded cruft, you'd be ok |
| 07:52.43 | pacman87 | i don't really _know_ c++. i took AP comp sci when they switched to java, so my knowledge of standard c++ data structures is weak |
| 07:53.30 | a_meteorite | they're simple |
| 07:53.41 | a_meteorite | much better than making your own in C |
| 07:54.21 | L4m3r | what a horrid first language |
| 07:54.38 | a_meteorite | that's what I first tried learning as well, I wish I never even tried |
| 07:54.58 | a_meteorite | I haven't had any formal education though, all self-taught |
| 07:55.04 | pacman87 | well, i'd played around with qbasic earlier |
| 07:55.18 | L4m3r | bad learning tool. it doesn't really teach you how to think about memory management and stuff like that |
| 07:55.18 | pacman87 | and i'd done some TI calc programming |
| 07:55.23 | pacman87 | yeah |
| 07:55.26 | pacman87 | or pointers |
| 07:55.40 | pacman87 | i'm taking a class in C right now |
| 07:55.43 | L4m3r | really, C++ isn't a great starter either... C is better for that |
| 07:56.06 | pacman87 | but it's an 'intro to programming' |
| 07:56.12 | L4m3r | but C++ can be taught in a way that introduces "the C way" first to get most of that stuff |
| 07:56.14 | pacman87 | not an 'intro to C' |
| 07:56.53 | L4m3r | for instance, in my data structures course, before we got to use the STL, we'd implement the same structures by hand :P |
| 07:57.33 | L4m3r | C isn't that hard to go to from java |
| 07:57.45 | L4m3r | once you learn to deal with pointers, it's just a matter of knowing what tools to use |
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| 08:18.44 | Constitution | hmmm, how does one change the distance at which far-away objects will be culled? |
| 08:19.44 | L4m3r | try grepping for "farclip: |
| 08:19.51 | L4m3r | "farclip" |
| 08:20.01 | Constitution | k, thanks |
| 08:24.01 | L4m3r | any luck? |
| 08:24.09 | Constitution | nope, nothing |
| 08:24.40 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 08:24.52 | L4m3r | from the behavior of the client, I'd think it's just some constant set somewhere. |
| 08:27.05 | Constitution | mm, something in BackgroundRenderer.cxx |
| 08:29.18 | uso | _cullDist |
| 08:29.42 | pacman87 | one thing i've been wondering about: why can you still see objects with a -z value through the ground? |
| 08:30.38 | Constitution | uso: that works for shortening the clipping distance, but not for extending it it seems |
| 08:31.13 | L4m3r | maybe there's just a hardcoded max |
| 08:31.51 | uso | Constitution: oh, maybe, thought it was infinite, but I usually don't play on really large maps |
| 08:32.06 | uso | s/it/the default/ |
| 08:36.50 | L4m3r | you'd need a huge map |
| 08:37.01 | Constitution | I'm trying to replace the mountains in 2.0 |
| 08:37.03 | L4m3r | I've never seen one that didn't cull unless you were way outside the map boundary |
| 08:38.53 | L4m3r | my 2.0 SVN clients have mixed-up mountains :\ |
| 08:39.01 | L4m3r | are you trying to fix that? |
| 08:39.18 | Constitution | no |
| 08:39.29 | Constitution | this is just a map feature |
| 08:39.43 | L4m3r | oh |
| 08:40.36 | Winny | Constitution, make the worldsize bigger, make fake walls, and then put the mountains in |
| 08:40.47 | Constitution | hmm |
| 08:40.51 | Winny | and decrease radar size |
| 08:40.55 | Constitution | no OO flags then, I guess |
| 08:44.23 | L4m3r | you can just make lethal pads behind the fake walls ;) |
| 08:44.37 | L4m3r | that's what I've always done |
| 08:54.34 | DTRemenak | the clipping is a function of world size |
| 08:55.56 | L4m3r | DTRemenak: if you read the backlog... it appears that bzfs does not check spawns against _explodeTime |
| 08:56.09 | DTRemenak | doesn't surprise me |
| 08:56.33 | DTRemenak | pw |
| 08:56.36 | L4m3r | well, that TK-kick griefing thing has come back |
| 08:56.45 | DTRemenak | lovely |
| 08:56.54 | L4m3r | my guess is early spawns |
| 08:57.01 | L4m3r | ...I don't need no stinking patches! |
| 08:57.06 | L4m3r | but I'm wondering how to do the check |
| 08:57.18 | L4m3r | I'd have to store the last time of death, I think... just not sure where/how |
| 08:58.03 | L4m3r | I don't want to just bodge something in... there's already plenty of that ;) |
| 08:58.35 | DTRemenak | yeah, store the time we received the death (not the timestamp, which can also be faked). then don't assign a spawn until the time has elapsed (just queue the request) |
| 08:59.03 | DTRemenak | for constant-lag non-cheating players nothing will change |
| 08:59.41 | DTRemenak | we have a player object you can tack it onto iirc |
| 08:59.55 | L4m3r | PlayerStatus? |
| 09:00.00 | DTRemenak | sounds right |
| 09:00.13 | L4m3r | hm... queue the request, good idea |
| 09:00.19 | L4m3r | cleaner than just kicking 'em |
| 09:00.28 | DTRemenak | then instead of sending as soon as we get the packet, just set a bit on the player that says "this guy wants a spawn" |
| 09:00.51 | DTRemenak | every loops, check the player to see if they have the bit set && the time has elapsed, and if so, send the spawn packet |
| 09:01.02 | DTRemenak | s/loops/loop/ |
| 09:01.09 | L4m3r | mmk |
| 09:01.36 | DTRemenak | so you'll end up adding a function to look through all the players and send out spawns as appropriate |
| 09:01.57 | DTRemenak | it'll be more complex than now, but shouldn't be too bad to do |
| 09:02.33 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 09:02.45 | L4m3r | I'd prefer something clean to something quick :) |
| 09:02.50 | DTRemenak | me too :) |
| 09:03.02 | DTRemenak | we've got enough quick "kick 'em" hacks as it is |
| 09:03.10 | DTRemenak | s/enough/too many/ even |
| 09:03.15 | L4m3r | yeah, I didn't even think of delaying the spawn |
| 09:03.35 | DTRemenak | yeah, if you don't, then people with non-constant lag might get kicked for no reason |
| 09:03.46 | DTRemenak | and that ain't cool |
| 09:03.46 | L4m3r | it's easy to say "Well, he's cheating, so just kick the bastard" |
| 09:04.00 | L4m3r | yeah, I had worried about that too |
| 09:04.17 | Pimpi | i git a few requests about dub servers and viper being down, so FYI yes, they're down ATM. It seems to be a hardware issue and i don't know when it will be solved :/ |
| 09:04.28 | Pimpi | s/dit/got/ |
| 09:04.30 | DTRemenak | it's usually better to force the client to follow the rules, than to kick them for breaking them |
| 09:04.35 | Pimpi | s/git/got/ |
| 09:04.44 | L4m3r | thanks, Pimpi, I'll pass it along when people ask |
| 09:04.48 | Pimpi | ty |
| 09:05.03 | DTRemenak | you'll also need to add a check for the MsgAlive to make sure they were sent a spawn position if there's not one already |
| 09:05.13 | DTRemenak | and ideally, check that they actually spawned at the right position |
| 09:05.38 | DTRemenak | otherwise they could just send Alive before getting the spawn position |
| 09:06.23 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 09:07.30 | L4m3r | not a problem to modify something in the "common" dir, right? |
| 09:08.10 | DTRemenak | it could be an indication that it's not the right place for the change, if it's a bzfs-specific change |
| 09:08.19 | DTRemenak | but no, not a real problem |
| 09:08.40 | DTRemenak | alternatively it could be an indication that the file is in the wrong place... ;) |
| 09:08.45 | L4m3r | well, as far as I can tell, both player classes (playerinfo and playerstate) are shared |
| 09:09.02 | DTRemenak | iirc there's some stuff in the game dir that is only used by the server |
| 09:09.08 | L4m3r | eek |
| 09:09.11 | DTRemenak | playerinfo might be one of them |
| 09:09.40 | DTRemenak | yeah, nethandler and friends is there for some reason. it's not a huge deal, just kinda wierd |
| 09:10.52 | L4m3r | a quick grep seems to indicate that the only thing using PlayerInfo in the game dir is... PlayerInfo.cxx :) |
| 09:11.09 | L4m3r | oh, and NetHandler. Doh. |
| 09:11.15 | DTRemenak | GameKeeper uses it from bzfs |
| 09:11.32 | DTRemenak | as does commands and bzfs |
| 09:11.38 | DTRemenak | so PlayerInfo is probably server-specific |
| 09:12.12 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 09:12.19 | L4m3r | only binary matches in the bzflag dir, also |
| 09:12.41 | L4m3r | guess I'll add it to playerInfo then |
| 09:12.58 | DTRemenak | heh, bzadmin uses it too |
| 09:13.07 | DTRemenak | CursesUI |
| 09:14.07 | DTRemenak | whoa, or maybe that's a different playerinfo |
| 09:14.11 | DTRemenak | that's not good :) |
| 09:14.41 | L4m3r | mm, kludge is tasty |
| 09:16.35 | DTRemenak | yeah, looks like playerinfo is the right place for the time and requested bits and so on |
| 09:16.49 | DTRemenak | won't be the right place for actual checks |
| 09:17.13 | L4m3r | oh no, of course not |
| 09:17.24 | L4m3r | just for storing info |
| 09:17.27 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 09:18.05 | DTRemenak | heh, although it does already use BufferedNetworkMessage |
| 09:18.05 | DTRemenak | so much for lib separation :) |
| 09:18.32 | L4m3r | Someone (tm) will fix it Someday (tm) Eventually (tm) |
| 09:18.53 | DTRemenak | I think the right term is Someone(tm) *ought* to fix it Someday(tm) |
| 09:19.07 | DTRemenak | ;) |
| 09:19.11 | L4m3r | true |
| 09:19.23 | DTRemenak | anyway, I'm going to bed. g'luck |
| 09:19.39 | L4m3r | thx. cya :) |
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| 14:56.02 | spldart | Can anyone help me with a 3d problem I'm having in debian... Problem is it's bigger than bzflag so It will be somewhat OT |
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| 15:14.30 | spldart | NM on aforementioned query... I finally solved that B@$%& myself |
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| 15:35.19 | whodaman | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12289 again z[h]ero tops us all with his newest avatar |
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| 15:54.05 | spldart | That's just disturbing |
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| 16:06.45 | Aishiko | hi is there any reason that bzflag run natively under linux would not run at all? |
| 16:06.59 | Winny | hmm? |
| 16:07.07 | Winny | Do you have the correct video card drivers? |
| 16:07.18 | blast007 | more importantly, do you get an error message |
| 16:07.21 | blast007 | ? |
| 16:07.40 | blast007 | run 'bzflag' from a terminal |
| 16:08.20 | Aishiko | I get an X error |
| 16:08.35 | blast007 | okay, which one? |
| 16:09.00 | Aishiko | the video is just the built-in intel junk that this lowend motherboard wiht out AGP or PCIe has |
| 16:09.10 | blast007 | which error are you getting? |
| 16:09.43 | Aishiko | the minor is 10 |
| 16:09.55 | Aishiko | the major opcode of failed request 134 |
| 16:10.15 | Aishiko | value 0x5c |
| 16:10.19 | blast007 | XF86VidModeSwitchToMode |
| 16:10.29 | blast007 | run this: bzflag -window |
| 16:10.39 | Aishiko | OK I'll try it |
| 16:10.56 | Aishiko | OK that worked :) thanks |
| 16:10.59 | blast007 | then go to Options > Display Settings > Change Video Format and choose a resolution |
| 16:11.20 | blast007 | (probably one that matches your desktop resolution) |
| 16:15.52 | Aishiko | thanks :) I'll have to try it out when I've got some friends I know to play against |
| 16:16.01 | Aishiko | now that I can get it to run :) |
| 16:16.06 | blast007 | hehe :) |
| 16:16.13 | blast007 | or play online ;) |
| 16:16.25 | blast007 | usually around 200 people online at any time |
| 16:16.35 | Aishiko | no I don |
| 16:16.40 | Aishiko | 't do the online thing anymore |
| 16:16.45 | blast007 | k |
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| 16:18.44 | Aishiko | all to often, I end up against 5 yearolds with foul mouths, better to play against others that I know and we can joke around |
| 16:19.06 | Winny | You should join a league... people are usually more mature there |
| 16:20.15 | inchworm | yah, the snot nosed kids wear out there welcome and filter themselves out :P |
| 16:20.58 | Aishiko | I see |
| 16:21.16 | blast007 | or play on servers with active administrators |
| 16:21.30 | Winny | http://gu.bzleague.com |
| 16:21.31 | blast007 | they'll get rid of the foul mouthed kids ;) |
| 16:21.56 | blast007 | some servers even filter profanity out of chat |
| 16:26.29 | Aishiko | yeah, I've seen profanity filters be used as filters to filter out words that aren't obsene but the adminstrators find objectable for whatever reason |
| 16:30.32 | spldart | where do I get the opengl when building bzflag client in deb etch |
| 16:31.17 | Aishiko | opengl should already be installed I'd think |
| 16:32.06 | spldart | unfortunately configure is reporting this BZFlag client .....: no bzflag client binary! (need OpenGL)... same for bzrobots |
| 16:32.36 | blast007 | it's usually not OpenGL that is missing |
| 16:32.40 | spldart | This is 2.99 trunk though..... I have and can play the 2.0 client prepackaged with debian |
| 16:32.52 | blast007 | do you have g++ installed? (type g++ at a terminal) |
| 16:33.19 | spldart | g++: no input files |
| 16:33.25 | blast007 | okay, so you do :) |
| 16:33.30 | blast007 | check the config.log |
| 16:33.37 | blast007 | it will tell you what the issue actually was |
| 16:33.53 | blast007 | just might take a bit of poking around |
| 16:34.12 | blast007 | some of the errors in there aren't relevant to the actual problem |
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| 16:36.14 | short_circuit | power failed |
| 16:36.19 | Winny | :D |
| 16:36.21 | short_circuit | make corrupted |
| 16:36.26 | short_circuit | cd burn corrupted |
| 16:36.34 | short_circuit | transfer interupted |
| 16:36.36 | short_circuit | MY god |
| 16:37.02 | spldart | I guess I need new batteries in my UPS |
| 16:37.28 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:37.29 | spldart | Anywho... Any ideas on opengl problem |
| 16:37.51 | blast007 | I'll resend via PM |
| 16:43.31 | spldart | opengl does not seem to be fully available |
| 16:44.31 | inchworm | e.g. you only have opengl 1.1 and not 2.0 |
| 16:44.32 | inchworm | ? |
| 16:45.13 | spldart | g++: OpenGL: No such file or directory |
| 16:46.11 | spldart | server glx version string: 1.4 |
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| 16:53.40 | blast007 | spldart: that's the OSX test, I think |
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| 16:55.09 | spldart | cannot find -lopengl32? |
| 16:57.22 | spldart | I'm grabbing 2_0 branch now and I'm gonna see if it has the same error |
| 16:57.53 | blast007 | throw your config.log contents onto here: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz |
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| 17:02.13 | spldart | http://70.241.4.215:8080/config.log |
| 17:02.56 | spldart | If it will help I have a log of lsmod, Xorg.0.log, dmesg etc in another file |
| 17:05.50 | blast007 | you don't have the SDL (or SDL dev) package installed, which isn't the problem, but might be nice |
| 17:06.08 | blast007 | and then apparently OpenGL dev stuff *is* missing: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL |
| 17:06.25 | blast007 | do you have an nvidia card in there? |
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| 17:06.48 | spldart | yes |
| 17:06.52 | spldart | 6200 on this one |
| 17:06.56 | spldart | i think |
| 17:07.04 | blast007 | hmm |
| 17:07.05 | spldart | using nvidia drivers from apt |
| 17:07.10 | spldart | and nvidia gl |
| 17:07.22 | spldart | I'm installing sdl now |
| 17:07.23 | blast007 | not actually sure what package you need to get the GL lib |
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| 17:11.54 | spldart | Ok... I'm a bag full of dog farts.... Had nvidia driver and nvidia glx but not " nvidia-glx-dev" 2_0 says it will build client now.. goin back to trunk to try it |
| 17:13.04 | spldart | Yay! bzclient and bzrobots = yes |
| 17:13.49 | spldart | just started build on trunk |
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| 17:18.30 | spldart | build done.. |
| 17:20.15 | spldart | no bzflag, no bzfs no bzadmin |
| 17:20.25 | spldart | does make have a log |
| 17:22.21 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r16638 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): |
| 17:22.21 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Spelling |
| 17:22.21 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: durration -> duration globally |
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| 17:23.53 | blast007 | spldart: only what it outputs |
| 17:26.14 | spldart | I'm running a make on the 2_0 branch now and see if it will build client |
| 17:28.28 | blast007 | k |
| 17:30.01 | spldart | I'm SKEERED it will default to sdl |
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| 17:34.17 | spldart | take a while burning on 1 cpu... but I'm back @ burning cd's and watching enterprise episodes LOL |
| 17:34.39 | spldart | meh....s/first burning with/ building |
| 17:35.40 | spldart | Ok... 2_0 does indeed build |
| 17:36.00 | spldart | client that is.. But I still can't build client, bzrobot, bzfs or bzadmin in trunk |
| 17:37.48 | spldart | Ok.... Once this cd burn is done I'mma test play the 2_0 build... if I dissappear it's cuz of crash... if not I'm back on trunk :GRRR: |
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| 17:42.03 | spldart | wont start... Fonts not found |
| 17:42.31 | blast007 | are you running from the src/bzflag/ directory, or from the root of the source? |
| 17:42.43 | blast007 | you want to run ./src/bzflag/bzflag from the root of the source |
| 17:42.53 | spldart | I'm running from /src/bzflag |
| 17:42.58 | spldart | ok |
| 17:44.46 | spldart | Ok... 2_0 client runs BETTER than the client pre packaged for apt in etch distro |
| 17:44.54 | spldart | runs like the windows client |
| 17:45.19 | spldart | the prepackaged client make the sound kinda 'fast' and 'abridged' sounding |
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| 17:45.32 | spldart | And 2_0 reports opengl |
| 17:48.25 | menotume | ug, nightmare at it again |
| 17:49.21 | menotume | while playing 10v10 ducati-style, all greens TKed nightmare 138 times, instantly |
| 17:49.44 | spldart | Holy smackaronee |
| 17:55.52 | JeffM | do you have any logs on how he does it? |
| 17:56.05 | JeffM | does he send out 138 deaths and spawns? |
| 17:56.08 | JeffM | or just deaths? |
| 17:58.52 | spldart | Ok... got trunk client to build but instant segfault when trying to start it |
| 17:59.27 | blast007 | spldart: hehe |
| 17:59.35 | spldart | Ok... |
| 17:59.38 | blast007 | spldart: build debug and find out why ;) |
| 17:59.51 | blast007 | ./configure --enable-debug |
| 17:59.54 | blast007 | run make again |
| 18:00.10 | blast007 | then 'gdb ./src/bzflag/bzflag' |
| 18:00.15 | spldart | starting trunk client -window starts a window and all you see for 1/2 second is All Chat Server Misc text in bottome right |
| 18:00.22 | blast007 | and I think you then type 'run' |
| 18:00.28 | spldart | gonna try it blast |
| 18:00.32 | blast007 | k |
| 18:00.52 | blast007 | might want to use 'run -window' |
| 18:00.59 | blast007 | that way it won't lock your screen |
| 18:01.13 | blast007 | hmm, and the confine mouse might be an issue |
| 18:01.28 | spldart | yep... gdb is installed |
| 18:01.36 | spldart | oh definitely |
| 18:01.55 | blast007 | guess you could turn that off by editing the config |
| 18:02.25 | spldart | what line in the config? |
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| 18:02.57 | blast007 | set mousegrab false |
| 18:03.09 | blast007 | (that'll turn off confine mouse) |
| 18:03.24 | spldart | where is that... home/user/.bzf/cache? |
| 18:03.41 | blast007 | ~/.bzf/3.0/config.cfg iirc |
| 18:03.53 | blast007 | if it doesn't exist, create it with just that line in it |
| 18:04.28 | spldart | that was my next question.. I only have a 2.0 so far hehe |
| 18:04.54 | blast007 | k ;) |
| 18:09.05 | spldart | finally started build.. got sidetracked... couldn't find my shares and realized my fileserver was still off after power interuption |
| 18:13.23 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:14.47 | spldart | Ok.. this time client failed to build altogether |
| 18:15.25 | spldart | I'm cleaning up some stuff and I'll try again |
| 18:16.05 | spldart | will 'make install' in 2_0 branch install bzflag, bzadmin and bzfs? |
| 18:16.53 | spldart | n/m answer is yes |
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| 18:18.58 | blast007 | might want to uninstall the one from apt first ;) |
| 18:19.45 | spldart | already done... installed my new stable build and deleted all the build dir... now trunk is the only source I'm working on and I'm make clean ing it now |
| 18:26.11 | spldart | Ok.. it reports client yes with sdl... How can I use nice to thoroughly be nice.. I wanna keep burning my 'mashups' |
| 18:26.30 | spldart | Oh.. and it was configure --enable-debug |
| 18:27.21 | spldart | n/m I'mma try nice make -j3 |
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| 18:33.50 | spldart | singsong "Configure says yes yes yes, make says no no no" /singsong |
| 18:34.28 | JeffM | what OS are you trying today? |
| 18:34.51 | spldart | Ok.. I'm goin back to the configure that worked just to see if debug is toasting it... deb ecth jeff |
| 18:35.10 | spldart | have a segfault on the trunk code I'm trying to chase down |
| 18:35.10 | JeffM | why? |
| 18:35.38 | spldart | for fun... and it could help those working on the dev code... I thought.. If I troubleshoot the segfault |
| 18:35.52 | JeffM | fun |
| 18:36.23 | spldart | Sry.. am I filling the channel up with to much jabber? I'll try to keep it more limited if you want |
| 18:39.36 | JeffM | naw |
| 18:39.38 | JeffM | just curious |
| 18:41.19 | JeffM | queued? |
| 18:41.27 | L4m3r | mmhm |
| 18:41.33 | JeffM | as in? |
| 18:41.45 | L4m3r | pacman and I discovered last night that there's no check for spawns against _explodeTime |
| 18:42.01 | JeffM | there is a time check |
| 18:42.05 | JeffM | but it's a seperate variable |
| 18:42.06 | L4m3r | there is? |
| 18:42.10 | JeffM | yah |
| 18:42.15 | L4m3r | in the server? |
| 18:42.21 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:42.23 | JeffM | the wait time |
| 18:42.34 | JeffM | check handleCommand |
| 18:42.40 | JeffM | in the MSgAlive case |
| 18:42.48 | JeffM | snprintf (buffer, MessageLen, "You are unable to begin playing for %.1f seconds.", waitTime); |
| 18:42.57 | L4m3r | that's for rejoins, iirc |
| 18:43.02 | JeffM | I'm guessing you just need to check for whatever is longer, waittime, or explode |
| 18:43.06 | JeffM | ahh |
| 18:43.09 | JeffM | what is the spawn code? |
| 18:43.20 | L4m3r | it just spawns :P |
| 18:43.33 | L4m3r | from what I can tell, _explodeTime is enforced by the client |
| 18:43.33 | JeffM | then yeah have it boot them if they don't take long enough |
| 18:43.37 | L4m3r | that |
| 18:43.43 | L4m3r | that's what I was going to do |
| 18:43.53 | L4m3r | but DTR suggested delaying the response instead |
| 18:43.56 | JeffM | that's not realy queuing them tho |
| 18:43.58 | JeffM | ahh |
| 18:44.00 | JeffM | that's harder |
| 18:44.04 | JeffM | but not too bad |
| 18:44.05 | L4m3r | just a little |
| 18:44.15 | JeffM | I'd boot them for 2.0 and que for 3 ;) |
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| 18:44.32 | L4m3r | but it also lets me change the mechanism for the rejoin spawn, and queue those too :) |
| 18:44.36 | JeffM | when do you think you'll have it done? cus if you don't do it, I will. |
| 18:44.50 | L4m3r | I'm almost there |
| 18:44.53 | JeffM | cool |
| 18:45.00 | L4m3r | in v2_0branch, that is |
| 18:45.05 | JeffM | that should fix up the TK thing |
| 18:45.13 | L4m3r | yeah, that's what started it |
| 18:45.38 | L4m3r | pacman made a plug-in to mitigate that, and I said that we had added a check to prevent dead players from dying... |
| 18:45.48 | L4m3r | so we figured that the cause must be that players are spawning early |
| 18:45.54 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:46.01 | JeffM | the dead check has been in for a while |
| 18:46.04 | L4m3r | and that's a cheat in its own right, so it should be fixed |
| 18:46.18 | L4m3r | yeah, that was the first response to that TK thing, months ago |
| 18:46.26 | JeffM | make it so! ;) |
| 18:46.37 | ruskie | better cheat prevention through better code ;) |
| 18:48.25 | L4m3r | hm... it;s not to expensive to fetch a BZDB var every time someone dies, is it? |
| 18:48.27 | spldart | Ok.. this is interesting.... ./configure=fails to build client, ./configure --enable-debug=fails to build client, ./configure --enable-client=builds client but sefautls on startup with aformentioned screen, ./configure --enable-debug --enable-client=fails to build client. |
| 18:48.32 | JeffM | naw |
| 18:48.37 | JeffM | that does not happen often |
| 18:48.44 | JeffM | it's the multiple times per frame thing |
| 18:48.49 | JeffM | like tankspeed |
| 18:48.52 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 18:48.57 | JeffM | those you cache |
| 18:48.59 | L4m3r | that's what I thought |
| 18:51.06 | spldart | All with make -j3...... How can I easily do a compare and output the differences between the various config.log 's? |
| 18:51.20 | spldart | Imma make clean now |
| 18:51.54 | ruskie | diff -Nuar config.log1 config.log2 ? |
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| 18:54.04 | spldart | That's it... thanks |
| 18:54.36 | spldart | BTW... gotta client build this time that actually starts but isn't joining.. :dunno: |
| 18:55.50 | spldart | "There does not appear to be any key bound to enter the game" every time I start it in -window |
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| 18:57.59 | spldart | working on diff'ing configs now |
| 18:58.10 | JeffM | L4m3r: I have a whitespace checkin in bzfs.cxx, do you think it will screw you up? |
| 18:58.29 | L4m3r | probably not |
| 18:58.49 | L4m3r | most of the work is in PlayerInfo |
| 18:59.13 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16639 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): whitespace and eventlog fixes. |
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| 19:08.38 | blast007 | spldart: you might have to delete that config file you created earlier for 3.0 |
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| 19:12.25 | spldart | K.. I'll try that... btw --enable-debug is doing nothing that I can find that would cause the client to fail to build.. and of course it reports that client = yes. I'm at a loss there |
| 19:12.51 | spldart | I just see the usual few entries for debug=1 in various places and forms in the new config.log |
| 19:13.50 | blast007 | one thing it probably does then is treat warnings as errors |
| 19:13.55 | blast007 | so that could be halting the build |
| 19:14.29 | blast007 | when you run the make, and it encounters an error, it will output that and stop |
| 19:14.37 | spldart | can I option the debug build to continue... I think I remember seeing a force buid option in the man.... |
| 19:14.54 | blast007 | not sure |
| 19:15.05 | blast007 | I'm more of a Windows user ;) |
| 19:16.54 | spldart | hehe... me1 is on one of the trunk servers LOL... can't talk though |
| 19:17.21 | me1 | can't? |
| 19:17.30 | spldart | If I get rid of the config.cfg in 3.0 and start it.. even in window I may get locked in |
| 19:17.33 | spldart | but I'll try |
| 19:17.52 | spldart | having problems getting a good client build in trunk me1 |
| 19:18.01 | me1 | oh |
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| 19:19.09 | spldart | Ok.. no .cfg mean back to segfault |
| 19:19.14 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16640 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx): missing playerID param |
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| 19:25.23 | spldart | Got it!... but I don't remember stable having this problem... hadda copy my entire cfg from 2.0 to 3.0... but of course I still have the no client in debug... I'm gonna trouble shoot that now |
| 19:25.52 | spldart | But I can get 3.0 to join and play with only one configure... that is ./configure --enable-client |
| 19:26.26 | spldart | and me1 noticed/I confirmed... roaming observer doesn't work? |
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| 19:30.24 | spldart | bbl... beer run and then I'm getting back on debug builds of trunk code |
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| 20:02.43 | jftsang | hi? is it possible to make the floor slippery without making any other surfaces slippery? |
| 20:03.37 | jftsang | http://pastebin.com/d58b75505 doesn't work |
| 20:04.05 | JeffM | what does slide do? |
| 20:05.09 | jftsang | slide 1 |
| 20:05.54 | JeffM | I wasn't aware that slide was a phydriv param, but one for texture matrixes |
| 20:06.05 | jftsang | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Physics |
| 20:06.32 | jftsang | unless I mucked up my mesh |
| 20:06.41 | JeffM | you'll probalby have to turn the ground off, and move the mesh up off of 0 |
| 20:06.47 | JeffM | so that you hit the mesh before the ground |
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| 20:10.15 | jftsang | hm. it appears that I seriously mucked up my mesh somewhere |
| 20:10.49 | jftsang | the vertices should be in anti-clockwise order right? |
| 20:10.58 | JeffM | yeah |
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| 20:11.14 | jftsang | ah. that's the problem |
| 20:13.13 | jftsang | any chance of diffraction as a property in future versions? |
| 20:14.52 | inchworm | that'd be cool |
| 20:15.14 | inchworm | kiinda hard though with raster rendering though, whouldn't it? |
| 20:22.29 | jftsang | would be interesting for lasers |
| 20:22.47 | spldart | ahhh |
| 20:24.42 | leileilol | i recognize the teleporter sound :OO |
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| 20:25.12 | leileilol | i've heard it in Star Trek The Original Series |
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| 20:51.35 | F687s | with the new "custom flags" in 3.0, could you use them to apply different server variables for that person only? |
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| 20:54.43 | F687s | For example, I could make a "High Bounce" flag that sets _jumpVelocity to 100.0 and _gravity to -75.0 |
| 20:55.17 | DTRemenak | no |
| 20:55.21 | JeffM | bzdb vars are global,not per tank |
| 20:55.40 | F687s | I meant for 3.0, with the custom flags |
| 20:55.49 | JeffM | still no |
| 20:55.59 | JeffM | you can't set the gravity and jump per tank |
| 20:55.59 | F687s | darn... |
| 20:56.03 | JeffM | only globaly |
| 20:56.24 | JeffM | speed, gravity, etc.. anything thats IN bzdb is global for all tanks |
| 20:56.51 | blast007 | F687s: also, you can't make "Custom" flags anyway |
| 20:57.01 | blast007 | the flags that are available are still fixed |
| 20:57.04 | DTRemenak | blast007: you can in 3.0 |
| 20:57.07 | JeffM | well you can name them |
| 20:57.09 | blast007 | you can? |
| 20:57.11 | JeffM | and set the effect |
| 20:57.11 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 20:57.13 | JeffM | and the shot type |
| 20:57.23 | blast007 | eww |
| 20:57.25 | JeffM | but it's the predefined effects, or plug-in mucking |
| 20:57.39 | blast007 | I knew about the shot type ;) but not the other |
| 20:57.45 | blast007 | hmm, true |
| 20:57.50 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o blast007] by blast007 |
| 20:57.52 | DTRemenak | so you can add new flags with their own description and hame |
| 20:58.03 | JeffM | yeah with that and shot type you can do the old useless mods the "right" way |
| 20:58.16 | JeffM | but the only effects you can have are stuff you can do with the API right now |
| 20:58.31 | blast007 | can you add additional flags? |
| 20:58.40 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's the point |
| 20:58.45 | blast007 | ok |
| 20:58.45 | DTRemenak | they don't override existing flags |
| 20:58.50 | JeffM | it just taks them onto the end of the list |
| 20:58.53 | blast007 | oh |
| 20:59.10 | blast007 | okay, so less "eww" then ;) |
| 20:59.12 | DTRemenak | basically the plugin says "hey, when you're doing flag negotiation, send these new flag details to the client" |
| 20:59.36 | JeffM | then the magic happens |
| 20:59.39 | DTRemenak | so they're "real" flags, they just have absolutely no client-side effects |
| 21:00.03 | JeffM | that's why all you can is the plugin defined effects |
| 21:00.23 | JeffM | if we split the effect out of the flag too, then we could have those custom flags do existing effects |
| 21:00.24 | DTRemenak | their utility will increase as more stuff goes server-side |
| 21:00.48 | DTRemenak | but there will always be limitations |
| 21:00.49 | JeffM | you could make the shakespear flag |
| 21:01.01 | JeffM | everytime you shoot you say a line from a work in shakespear |
| 21:01.19 | blast007 | hehe |
| 21:01.19 | F687s | Ooh, sounds like a demo plugin! |
| 21:01.23 | DTRemenak | or a "double score" flag ;) |
| 21:01.33 | JeffM | or a "your mom" flag |
| 21:01.39 | DTRemenak | which I've seriously considered doing just for kicks |
| 21:02.07 | DTRemenak | to show off the new server-side score control AND the custom flags at the same time |
| 21:02.07 | blast007 | just let me know when we can make the "cow launcher" flag |
| 21:02.07 | JeffM | I have pondered a 3 way flag |
| 21:02.15 | JeffM | but I'd need the shotIDs to be redone first |
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| 21:21.12 | L4m3r | amazing how an extraneous semicolon can completely change or even reverse the behavior of something |
| 21:21.22 | L4m3r | >_< |
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| 21:22.28 | blast007 | L4m3r: yes it; is |
| 21:22.54 | L4m3r | especially when one absent-mindedly sticks one on the end of an if statement |
| 21:23.02 | L4m3r | "Why are tanks spawning the instant they die?!?!?" |
| 21:23.03 | blast007 | heh |
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| 21:34.16 | Gnurdux | better than "Why are tanks dying the instant they spawn?!?!?" |
| 21:38.10 | blast007 | Gnurdux: that's actually an issue in 3.0 right now with some maps ;) |
| 21:38.16 | blast007 | one being Louman's Metropolis |
| 21:38.19 | Gnurdux | wow |
| 21:38.32 | blast007 | and if I don't die, I just fall through everything |
| 21:38.40 | blast007 | the mesh collisions are b0rked |
| 21:38.44 | me1_ | oh |
| 21:38.46 | me1_ | thats why |
| 21:39.06 | blast007 | the dying on spawn might be something with the water level stuff |
| 21:39.12 | blast007 | but I haven't tested that theory |
| 21:39.26 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03l4m3rthanyou * r16641 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Queue spawns. Don't let tanks respawn until _explodeTime has passed. |
| 21:39.28 | blast007 | there's also death objects in the map, so it could be those too |
| 21:39.39 | blast007 | ~L4m3r++ |
| 21:39.59 | L4m3r | planning to add a spawn pos check as well |
| 21:40.44 | L4m3r | as an added benefit, quick rejoins (faster than _rejoinTime) will now cause a delay in spawning, instead of just killing the player the instant they spawn |
| 21:41.06 | blast007 | L4m3r: cool |
| 21:41.41 | L4m3r | rejoinTime was also a convenient way to test, without having to modify a client :P |
| 21:41.57 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:42.03 | spldart | LOL |
| 21:42.15 | spldart | I was just noticing mesh collisions problem 30 seconds ago |
| 21:42.36 | blast007 | spldart: yeah.. ;) |
| 21:42.56 | blast007 | I'm sure it's something like a != instead of an == somewhere |
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| 21:46.44 | jftsang | are shots tracked in 3.0? |
| 21:47.20 | JeffM | not yet |
| 21:47.34 | blast007 | only when the spy satalite is in the right position |
| 21:47.59 | JeffM | blast007: it was shot down, remember. |
| 21:48.06 | blast007 | oh right, nvm |
| 21:48.31 | jftsang | by "not yet", do you mean it's not currently implemented but will be, or will not be implemented at all? |
| 21:48.55 | JeffM | for some values of "will" sure |
| 21:54.01 | spldart | lol |
| 21:58.22 | spldart | Wow... I see I still have my forte in bunking code horribly. |
| 22:01.59 | JeffM | DTRemenak: you there? |
| 22:02.04 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 22:02.16 | JeffM | you running any bzfss on mirkwood? |
| 22:02.27 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 22:02.35 | blast007 | fun, the v2_0branch bzfs is broken |
| 22:02.37 | JeffM | when you do, what ports will you need? |
| 22:02.52 | DTRemenak | I can put them wherever |
| 22:02.54 | JeffM | blast007: probalby me |
| 22:03.22 | blast007 | Connecting to test@localhost:5154 |
| 22:03.22 | blast007 | Communication error joining game [No immediate respose]. |
| 22:03.28 | blast007 | (bzadmin client) |
| 22:03.32 | JeffM | DTRemenak: so you want 5150 to 5199? and I'll take 5100 to 5149? |
| 22:03.51 | JeffM | blast007: oh, tha'ts not me then |
| 22:03.56 | blast007 | ooo, I guess bzfs is segfaulting |
| 22:03.57 | DTRemenak | sure, whatever |
| 22:03.58 | JeffM | I tested connecting before I commited ;) |
| 22:04.28 | JeffM | DTRemenak: I'm just going to set some up today, so I wanted to check :) |
| 22:04.45 | DTRemenak | k. use whatever, I'll find an open range to put mine on if & when I do :) |
| 22:05.19 | JeffM | think we should doc the prots somewhere? cus we have so many users? |
| 22:05.28 | DTRemenak | probably |
| 22:10.07 | blast007 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m16ac7c1 <-- backtrace |
| 22:10.32 | blast007 | dying in this? bzIdentifier = ""; |
| 22:10.41 | blast007 | on* |
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| 22:11.35 | JeffM | client accept, that's good |
| 22:11.49 | JeffM | odd |
| 22:11.50 | JeffM | not good |
| 22:12.07 | DTRemenak | clientAddr=@0xbfffee00 <- that does not look right |
| 22:12.40 | spldart | Power interupted again... saved this machine but lost router... this is getting ridiculous on beautiful sunny day |
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| 22:14.02 | L4m3r | wasn't me! :P |
| 22:14.44 | blast007 | L4m3r: I built without your change when I ran it though GDB ;) |
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| 22:38.07 | Robotnik | Hello All! |
| 22:38.20 | Robotnik | I have a question about BZFS configuration |
| 22:38.24 | blast007 | ok |
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| 22:39.01 | DrIvoRobotnik | hello |
| 22:39.03 | blast007 | hi |
| 22:39.11 | JeffM | word up |
| 22:39.20 | DrIvoRobotnik | hello |
| 22:39.25 | DrIvoRobotnik | LAG |
| 22:39.38 | JeffM | pardon? |
| 22:39.46 | DrIvoRobotnik | The HTML client is laggy |
| 22:39.56 | blast007 | yeah |
| 22:40.02 | L4m3r | ~garc |
| 22:40.02 | JeffM | IRC is laggy ;) |
| 22:40.07 | blast007 | better to use a real IRC client like X-Chat |
| 22:40.26 | DrIvoRobotnik | I have 1 question. |
| 22:40.40 | JeffM | go for it |
| 22:40.54 | DrIvoRobotnik | I have set up groups on my server |
| 22:41.03 | DrIvoRobotnik | but I cant apply the group to myself |
| 22:41.08 | DrIvoRobotnik | yes |
| 22:41.12 | DrIvoRobotnik | I will do that. |
| 22:41.27 | blast007 | heh, guess it is laggy |
| 22:41.29 | JeffM | global or local groups? |
| 22:41.42 | DrIvoRobotnik | or to anyone |
| 22:41.58 | DrIvoRobotnik | I am gettigna real client |
| 22:42.09 | a_meteorite | yawn.. |
| 22:42.17 | blast007 | hehe, the web stuff is about 20 or 30 seconds behind |
| 22:42.30 | a_meteorite | which makes it oh-so useful |
| 22:42.32 | blast007 | maybe more |
| 22:42.46 | blast007 | guess he responded to my question over a minute later |
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| 22:42.57 | DrIvoRobotnik | ok |
| 22:43.01 | blast007 | DrIvoRobotnik: welcome back ;) |
| 22:43.06 | blast007 | global or local groups? |
| 22:43.09 | DrIvoRobotnik | this should fix the lag issues |
| 22:43.12 | DrIvoRobotnik | local |
| 22:43.28 | JeffM | with local or global users? |
| 22:43.40 | DrIvoRobotnik | I have the line for the Password and Group File |
| 22:43.49 | DrIvoRobotnik | And I set up gorups |
| 22:43.51 | DrIvoRobotnik | so |
| 22:43.52 | JeffM | local users are bad |
| 22:43.57 | JeffM | bad bad bad |
| 22:44.09 | DrIvoRobotnik | This si just for me and a few others |
| 22:44.10 | JeffM | for local users you'd have to have each person localy register |
| 22:44.19 | DrIvoRobotnik | that is fine for me |
| 22:44.22 | JeffM | best to use global users, but local groups |
| 22:44.31 | DrIvoRobotnik | Ok |
| 22:44.37 | DrIvoRobotnik | how would I do that? |
| 22:44.44 | JeffM | then you just use the BZID in the group IIRC |
| 22:44.49 | JeffM | no sorry |
| 22:44.52 | blast007 | no, the name |
| 22:44.55 | JeffM | yeah name |
| 22:45.00 | JeffM | and set the perms |
| 22:45.02 | blast007 | you can use /setgroup |
| 22:45.09 | blast007 | easier than hand editing the file |
| 22:45.20 | DrIvoRobotnik | I cant run /setgroup |
| 22:45.25 | JeffM | why not? |
| 22:45.31 | DrIvoRobotnik | it wont let me |
| 22:45.40 | JeffM | you have to do a server password |
| 22:45.47 | DrIvoRobotnik | I have that |
| 22:45.49 | DrIvoRobotnik | Here |
| 22:45.50 | JeffM | then use /password to become local admin |
| 22:45.58 | DrIvoRobotnik | come to my server to see |
| 22:46.00 | JeffM | what error does it give you? |
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| 22:46.14 | DrIvoRobotnik | but it is |
| 22:46.31 | DrIvoRobotnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.43 | DrIvoRobotnik | but it is enabled in the config |
| 22:46.47 | a_meteorite | you need to use a userdb for it to be available |
| 22:46.51 | JeffM | it probalby wants a userdb |
| 22:46.51 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:46.52 | DrIvoRobotnik | I have a global group file and a password file |
| 22:47.05 | JeffM | paswwords arnt enough |
| 22:47.07 | a_meteorite | passdb is only for /register and /identify local auth |
| 22:47.08 | blast007 | yeah, so group file and userdb |
| 22:47.09 | JeffM | you need a file to store the users |
| 22:47.13 | DrIvoRobotnik | ok |
| 22:47.14 | JeffM | you want to have a userdb |
| 22:47.16 | DrIvoRobotnik | what is the config line |
| 22:47.17 | JeffM | but no passdb |
| 22:47.20 | DrIvoRobotnik | ok |
| 22:47.24 | blast007 | -userdb iirc |
| 22:47.26 | DrIvoRobotnik | so what is the line for the config |
| 22:47.28 | DrIvoRobotnik | ok |
| 22:47.31 | blast007 | bzfs -help |
| 22:47.38 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFS_Command_Line_Options |
| 22:48.13 | DrIvoRobotnik | ok |
| 22:48.30 | DrIvoRobotnik | I added the line and a txt file for storing names |
| 22:48.33 | DrIvoRobotnik | so now what? |
| 22:48.40 | Winny | JeffM, by any chance did you ever get a chance to look at the new team flag in the art repo? |
| 22:48.45 | JeffM | nope |
| 22:48.45 | DrIvoRobotnik | brb |
| 22:48.51 | Winny | ok |
| 22:48.52 | Winny | :p |
| 22:49.46 | blast007 | DrIvoRobotnik: start up the server, use /password to gain admin, and use /setgroup |
| 22:49.57 | DrIvoRobotnik | I knoe |
| 22:49.59 | DrIvoRobotnik | typo |
| 22:50.00 | blast007 | if you want to know how to use setgroup, type /help setgroup |
| 22:50.01 | DrIvoRobotnik | know |
| 22:50.05 | DrIvoRobotnik | I have that done |
| 22:50.12 | blast007 | k |
| 22:50.15 | DrIvoRobotnik | jus too many superflags causing it to crash |
| 22:50.17 | blast007 | so problem solved then? |
| 22:50.20 | blast007 | heh |
| 22:50.25 | JeffM | how many do you have? |
| 22:50.29 | DrIvoRobotnik | 333 |
| 22:50.31 | DrIvoRobotnik | :P |
| 22:50.35 | JeffM | that's a bit much |
| 22:50.39 | DrIvoRobotnik | now 15 |
| 22:50.41 | Winny | I always had issues with over ~120 |
| 22:50.49 | *** join/#bzflag AHA_ (n=aha@unaffiliated/aha) |
| 22:51.04 | Winny | any more and I had to increase the TCP and UDP buffer sizes |
| 22:51.09 | L4m3r | wow, 2.99 has a lot less in the "game" dir |
| 22:51.19 | DrIvoRobotnik | I cant log in |
| 22:51.24 | *** part/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@host-091-097-060-011.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 22:51.27 | AHA_ | ~ping |
| 22:51.27 | ibot | pong |
| 22:51.34 | DrIvoRobotnik | it is stuck at Right Click or press l |
| 22:51.36 | Winny | AHA_: pong |
| 22:53.34 | blast007 | DrIvoRobotnik: too many flags then |
| 22:53.44 | blast007 | are you using +f good or +f bad ? |
| 22:53.53 | DrIvoRobotnik | Onley good |
| 22:53.54 | DrIvoRobotnik | ok |
| 22:53.59 | blast007 | cuz they don't add just one good or bad flag. they add one of EVERY good or bad flag |
| 22:53.59 | DrIvoRobotnik | I think I fixed it |
| 22:54.16 | blast007 | and +f good{10} adds *10* of *every* good flag |
| 22:55.38 | DrIvoRobotnik | IT WORKS |
| 22:55.43 | DrIvoRobotnik | THANK YOU! |
| 22:55.52 | DrIvoRobotnik | You all win Hero Of Server Award |
| 22:56.06 | DrIvoRobotnik | :) |
| 22:56.25 | DrIvoRobotnik | You all are much more helpful than the forum |
| 22:56.33 | DrIvoRobotnik | anyone want to come and test it? |
| 22:56.45 | DrIvoRobotnik | now that all the settigs are final? |
| 22:56.57 | DrIvoRobotnik | bye |
| 22:57.15 | JeffM | how does one run a shell command in the background, not using screen? % ot & or something? |
| 22:57.32 | L4m3r | & |
| 22:57.36 | L4m3r | at the end |
| 22:57.37 | L4m3r | iirc |
| 22:57.39 | JeffM | cool |
| 22:57.39 | JeffM | thanks |
| 23:00.53 | JeffM | there we go, 2 servers :) |
| 23:09.08 | leileilol | http://leileilol.mancubus.net/crap/bzflagtele.avi heh |
| 23:15.42 | AHA | With colored shots on in the GUI settings menu, how do you change the collor of the bullets? |
| 23:15.58 | a_meteorite | AHA: in 2.0? change the texture |
| 23:16.21 | AHA | Not the actual bullet color |
| 23:16.26 | Winny | in the radar |
| 23:16.30 | AHA | yes |
| 23:16.33 | AHA | i should have said that |
| 23:16.42 | CBG` | In the config file directly. |
| 23:17.26 | AHA | do you know which line to change/add? |
| 23:18.05 | CBG` | Well, actually, you can change the tank color, not entirely sure the shot color would change too... |
| 23:25.03 | CBG` | AHA: set blueradar "0 0.2 1" for example... |
| 23:25.24 | AHA | that would change the tank color? |
| 23:25.37 | CBG` | On the radar, year. |
| 23:25.49 | CBG` | Though whether or not it would affect shots, I don't know. |
| 23:26.02 | a_meteorite | that would be logical |
| 23:26.16 | CBG` | Since when was bz ever logical? |
| 23:26.20 | a_meteorite | never |
| 23:26.42 | CBG` | Right. |
| 23:26.58 | CBG` | So it probably doesn't effect shots. But hey, worth a try... And a great trick anyway. |
| 23:28.57 | L4m3r | iirc it does affect shots |
| 23:29.11 | CBG` | Well I never... ;) |
| 23:29.16 | CBG` | Whoda funk it? |
| 23:29.34 | L4m3r | set blueradar "0 .5 1 |
| 23:29.40 | L4m3r | much easier to see |
| 23:29.45 | L4m3r | I'm about ready to tweak red too |
| 23:29.57 | AHA | L4m3r, do you know how to change the color of the shots on the radar? |
| 23:30.13 | L4m3r | same way you change the tank color |
| 23:30.17 | L4m3r | I think it changes them both |
| 23:30.53 | AHA | ok |
| 23:32.28 | CBG` | ... It's ok, ignore me. What would I know? I didn't play bz more than anyone else for 3 years. |
| 23:32.43 | AHA | "<CBG`> So it probably doesn't effect shots" |
| 23:32.56 | AHA | oh |
| 23:33.03 | AHA | didnt see L4m3r's next line |
| 23:33.16 | CBG` | "hey, worth a try" |
| 23:33.19 | L4m3r | crap, where is msgalive handled for 2.99 bzfs? >_< |
| 23:34.29 | *** part/#bzflag leileilol (n=Hsi@c-76-118-249-203.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 23:35.30 | *** join/#bzflag jftsang (n=jftsang@88-108-137-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 23:35.48 | jftsang | guys... ashleypogi13 is running a server ad is using bots to up his server ratings... |
| 23:36.09 | Winny | her* |
| 23:36.09 | CBG` | How many? |
| 23:36.21 | jftsang | about eleven |
| 23:36.25 | L4m3r | >_< |
| 23:36.29 | CBG` | Mature. |
| 23:36.46 | jftsang | gone now. |
| 23:37.03 | jftsang | oh, he's still here, but fewer bots |
| 23:37.29 | blast007 | they're running 2.0.10, which doesn't report bots as actual players |
| 23:37.38 | blast007 | so that won't bump them up the list |
| 23:37.41 | a_meteorite | still pretty darn lame :) |
| 23:37.47 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:38.00 | blast007 | then don't play there |
| 23:38.38 | jftsang | it may become the next Pythonian |
| 23:38.58 | Winny | the whole reason bots aren't reported anymore is because of pythonian, IIRC |
| 23:39.12 | Winny | at least it was influenced by that |
| 23:39.12 | L4m3r | I wonder if anyone would care about that "Apple" server |
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| 23:40.36 | a_temp_dist | L4m3r, CBG, that "blueradar" change affects tanks, shots and score - but not the call sign column |
| 23:40.42 | *** part/#bzflag jftsang (n=jftsang@88-108-137-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 23:40.42 | a_temp_dist | http://tinyurl.com/2xujxk |
| 23:41.26 | L4m3r | heh |
| 23:41.37 | CBG` | That's very handy to know, not that I give a crap |
| 23:41.44 | CBG` | Funny though... that'd it's be so random. |
| 23:46.57 | L4m3r | looks like a fun way to screw with someone's client and confuse the hell out of them |
| 23:47.00 | L4m3r | along with some texture modding |
| 23:47.10 | CBG` | muahaha |
| 23:47.10 | Winny | haha |
| 23:47.14 | Winny | that's horrible |
| 23:47.18 | CBG` | more fun than cheating |
| 23:47.21 | L4m3r | "what, this tank is red!!!!" |
| 23:47.22 | CBG` | well, probably not. |
| 23:47.26 | CBG` | cheating is sure fun. |
| 23:48.13 | a_temp_dist | ban |
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| 23:50.38 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v L4m3r] by ChanServ |
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