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| 00:33.12 | Winny | everybody dance! |
| 00:33.12 | Winny | :D\-< |
| 00:33.12 | Winny | :D/-< |
| 00:33.16 | a_meteorite | stop watching Oprah's Dancing with the Stars |
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| 00:49.22 | WeBeGood | Plugin to set |
| 00:49.32 | Winny | huh? |
| 00:50.05 | WeBeGood | if (TeamScore) IndividualScore =+ 10; |
| 00:50.27 | WeBeGood | Would be good for CTF |
| 00:50.51 | WeBeGood | ????????????????????????? |
| 00:53.36 | a_meteorite | huh? |
| 00:53.49 | Winny | I agree |
| 00:53.51 | a_meteorite | please state your question clearly and use proper english and grammar |
| 00:57.11 | Gnurdux | and if you want to use C grammer, use it correctly :) |
| 00:57.11 | Gnurdux | its +=, not =+ |
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| 01:05.56 | fiberchunks | jeffm2501 you around? |
| 01:06.50 | Winny | Last time he said something was ~2 hours ago I think |
| 01:06.54 | WeBeGood | I like Fortan, not C |
| 01:07.08 | fiberchunks | hrm... thanks |
| 01:15.48 | Winny | aww |
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| 01:26.53 | WeBeGood | += right |
| 01:36.30 | F687s | right isn't an integer ;-) |
| 01:37.25 | F687s | std::cout << "You'd better be speaking valid C/C++ here!\n"; |
| 01:38.55 | WeBeGood | print *,"As long as you get the idea, what's it matter?" |
| 01:41.09 | F687s | printf("It matters very much. Because you have not heeded, your programming skill level has now dropped to %d", -255.42); |
| 01:41.59 | AHA | echo("Isn't this much easier?"); |
| 01:43.25 | F687s | for (("Golly", "Heck", "\$#\@!")) { print "$_ NO!"; }; |
| 01:45.54 | WeBeGood | #!/bin/csh |
| 01:46.14 | WeBeGood | echo "yes, echo is easier. ;-)" |
| 01:49.04 | Winny | put "actually no, turing is far easier |
| 01:49.09 | Winny | dammit I forgot a " |
| 01:54.18 | F687s | Syntax Error!!! |
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| 02:13.59 | spldart | .....Nerds...... arguing..... = 10 print "OMG" |
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| 03:03.29 | brlcad | aww, missed the fiberchunky man |
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| 07:30.11 | bz05 | hello |
| 07:30.49 | macsforme | hi |
| 07:31.50 | bz05 | i am using cgi:irc. could you tell me if the yellow icons next to names in the chat list indicates idle or away status? |
| 07:33.54 | bz05 | sorry, i have to go |
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| 12:11.34 | Winny | ~Constitution++ |
| 12:11.42 | coffee | ~Constitution++ :D |
| 12:11.54 | Winny | ~Constitution++ |
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| 15:04.00 | bz55 | Quick question: is there an updated page? this one is rather outdated. http://www.bzcontest.saturos.de/ |
| 15:16.53 | blast007 | there hasn't been a BZContest since then |
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| 16:18.35 | delusional_ | hmmm.. bzflag #9 top download. http://www.apple.com/downloads/ |
| 16:20.48 | blast007 | delusional_: sweet |
| 16:21.04 | ts | Interesting..didn't thought that |
| 16:21.29 | delusional_ | the operative word there is "free" |
| 16:21.54 | ts | It just updated for me |
| 16:22.00 | ts | Now bz is gone |
| 16:22.27 | ts | Ah, I just clicked the wrong link. |
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| 16:51.39 | think_tank | neat to be on apple. bz is a 50mb download now??? so glad i still use 2.0.2 |
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| 16:53.28 | TheRedBaron | think_tank: the mac versions are significantly larger then linux or windows |
| 16:54.16 | think_tank | i was just checking that. i had a hunch that was the case |
| 16:57.39 | blast007 | think_tank: it's a universal binary now |
| 16:57.57 | blast007 | and I think it might contain non-striped binaries to aid in debugging |
| 17:01.55 | spldart | Was that suppossed to be 'stripped'? |
| 17:02.52 | blast007 | yeah ;) |
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| 18:19.55 | whodaman | I am trying to compile bzflag 2.0.11 on mac OSx. I follwed the instructions found here: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11845 , but i got this error when running 'xcodebuild': http://pastebin.ca/914191 |
| 18:22.05 | JeffM | you can just run make as well |
| 18:22.13 | JeffM | or actualy HIT build from xcode |
| 18:24.08 | JeffM | none of those instructions are made by developers |
| 18:40.20 | AHA | JeffM, make gets the same error |
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| 18:40.55 | blast007 | AHA: and you ran autogen.sh and configure? |
| 18:41.01 | whodaman | yep |
| 18:41.36 | blast007 | install Windows XP. it works better. |
| 18:41.40 | whodaman | ... |
| 18:42.14 | blast007 | I'd try building on my mac, but well, it's not even hooked up right now |
| 18:45.25 | AHA | lol |
| 18:46.01 | spldart | ~lart blast007 |
| 18:46.01 | ibot | whips out his power stapler and staples blast007's foot to the floor |
| 18:48.58 | JeffM | apple has made the mac so complex it requires mystic socercy to compile |
| 18:50.22 | blast007 | JeffM: or it requires buying it from someone who had mystic socercy ;) |
| 18:50.34 | JeffM | indeed |
| 18:50.43 | JeffM | you still on that same OS install? |
| 18:51.22 | blast007 | yup |
| 18:51.40 | JeffM | then that's hand tweaked by brlcad himself :) |
| 18:51.52 | whodaman | hehe |
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| 19:32.17 | Winny | boo boo boo |
| 19:32.21 | Winny | bo bah |
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| 19:47.42 | Thumper_ | brlcad / JeffM : Do either of you object to the following cleanup patch? http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/mc2d2847 |
| 20:05.23 | brlcad | Thumper_: yes, I could |
| 20:05.27 | brlcad | s/could/would |
| 20:05.41 | brlcad | posix says that, but hardly anyone conforms to that one gracefully |
| 20:06.04 | Thumper_ | fair enough - thanks |
| 20:06.04 | brlcad | those checks prevent crashes inside delete/free on some systems |
| 20:06.15 | brlcad | what tool is that? |
| 20:06.32 | Thumper_ | tool? |
| 20:06.55 | brlcad | looks like something that was run on the sources that found those |
| 20:07.11 | Thumper_ | I used git to find them and edited them manually |
| 20:07.17 | Thumper_ | patch is most of the git format-patch output |
| 20:07.45 | brlcad | ah git actually did source analysis? |
| 20:07.59 | Thumper_ | just a git grep |
| 20:08.04 | Thumper_ | it was pretty easy |
| 20:08.26 | brlcad | ooh, you just searched for free/delete |
| 20:08.29 | Thumper_ | basically does a fast equivalent of grep -R on all files in the project |
| 20:08.33 | Thumper_ | correct |
| 20:08.42 | Thumper_ | and looked a few lines above for test of the same thing we're freeing |
| 20:09.09 | Thumper_ | thought I'd ask before I just commit things :) |
| 20:09.18 | brlcad | some things are also conditionally allocated and not initialized to null |
| 20:09.31 | brlcad | so while we could IFF they were null, they're not null and not allocated |
| 20:09.47 | Thumper_ | then the check for delete will fail too |
| 20:09.56 | brlcad | yep |
| 20:10.03 | brlcad | (and does) |
| 20:10.41 | Thumper_ | I think I only hit the cases where things are checked for null before freeing - I left the other ones |
| 20:11.13 | Thumper_ | anyway it didn't take long - (compared to recompiling the project and testing it) |
| 20:11.19 | Thumper_ | but I only have one platform... |
| 20:11.37 | brlcad | if you apply the patch and it seems to work across the board, it could possibly be alright .. but at least historically we have run on plenty of non-compliant systems |
| 20:12.04 | Thumper_ | the problem is the testing it on all platforms part... |
| 20:12.25 | brlcad | bug someone on each platform to compile and test it ;) |
| 20:12.35 | Thumper_ | SGI? :) |
| 20:12.45 | brlcad | sure |
| 20:12.49 | Thumper_ | what do we support nowadays? |
| 20:12.56 | Thumper_ | who has that? |
| 20:13.24 | Thumper_ | hehe |
| 20:14.48 | Thumper_ | anyway it's no big deal. we don't need make-work-projects - there's enough other work to do like fixing bugs |
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| 20:29.05 | jftsang | hi. |
| 20:29.21 | jftsang | is there a plugin (or otherwise) which stops players from shooting unless they have a certain flag? |
| 20:29.35 | blast007 | can't do it in 2.0.x |
| 20:29.41 | blast007 | so for your purpose, no |
| 20:30.24 | Constitution | set _shotSpeed 0, then make the fast shot speed the speed of normal shots :P |
| 20:30.24 | blast007 | not even sure if there's functionality to do that in 2.99.x |
| 20:30.24 | jftsang | but doesn't it use multiplying |
| 20:30.24 | blast007 | Constitution: that wouldn't work |
| 20:30.35 | blast007 | yeah, it's a mult |
| 20:30.38 | Constitution | oh |
| 20:30.38 | blast007 | afaik |
| 20:30.45 | Constitution | set it to 0.0001, then ;) |
| 20:30.49 | blast007 | hehe |
| 20:30.55 | blast007 | Constitution: they could still shoot |
| 20:31.03 | blast007 | and then they'd just drive into their own bullets half the time |
| 20:31.13 | jftsang | or use them as mines |
| 20:31.19 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:31.19 | Constitution | heh |
| 20:31.39 | blast007 | even with shot speed 0, you can make them move as fast as your tank |
| 20:32.03 | jftsang | except you crash if you accelerate |
| 20:32.16 | blast007 | yeah ;) |
| 20:32.43 | blast007 | and all the GM flags would be mines, since they aren't affected by the tank velocity |
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| 20:33.13 | blast007 | it's forrestv`, forrestv` gump |
| 20:33.25 | jftsang | and I'm assuming that shots come out from the tip of the barrel of the tank? |
| 20:33.31 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:34.00 | blast007 | though before some of the > 0 checks were added, I could modify the variable to make it shoot out the back end of the tank ;) |
| 20:34.03 | jftsang | hm. How come then when _gmActivationTime is 0 you blow yourself up |
| 20:34.15 | ts | ItÄs a bug |
| 20:34.16 | blast007 | cuz it's buggy? |
| 20:34.36 | blast007 | it didn't used to do that in older versions, since we didn't even HAVE variables like that |
| 20:34.43 | blast007 | it was added as a workaround to the real issue |
| 20:35.20 | Winny | heh |
| 20:35.20 | blast007 | are you on Windows? |
| 20:35.34 | jftsang | yup |
| 20:35.41 | blast007 | cuz compiling might be "fun" if you are |
| 20:35.43 | ts | in general if _gmActivationTime is lower than your lag you blow up when shooting gm and driving forward |
| 20:35.59 | blast007 | I think the project files for 1.7 were only for Visual C++ 6 ;) |
| 20:36.10 | blast007 | maybe had 7.1 later on, but I wouldn't count on it |
| 20:37.44 | jftsang | it matters not |
| 20:38.07 | jftsang | I need MSVC6 anyway... NetHack is written with that |
| 20:44.00 | blast007 | why not just use a binary package for 1.7? |
| 20:44.06 | blast007 | they're on sourceforge |
| 20:46.51 | jftsang | *installing 1.6.5 :P* |
| 20:47.54 | blast007 | don't even think pre-1.7 had server commands |
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| 20:53.47 | jftsang | JeffM, I really see no point to speak as if |
| 20:54.14 | jftsang | I were in a Shakesperean theatrical |
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| 21:33.38 | jftsang | (the following idea was Enterprise's idea) would it be possible to make a hollowed out part in a map, e.g. hollow out bits in a block, or a door in a wall |
| 21:33.51 | Winny | uh |
| 21:33.55 | Winny | use a mesh? |
| 21:34.43 | jftsang | something like this: you have a box, and you can cut into it... e.g. to make a U shape |
| 21:35.05 | Winny | ... a mesh? |
| 21:35.40 | jftsang | (please explain?) |
| 21:35.59 | Winny | You sound like you want to make a mesh model |
| 21:36.12 | jftsang | well, he does, at least |
| 21:36.27 | jftsang | I'm happy right here :) |
| 21:36.53 | JeffM | if you want to make an object that is not one of our primitives, you make it as a mesh |
| 21:37.07 | JeffM | when makign that mesh you define the geometry however you want |
| 21:37.13 | JeffM | using polygons |
| 21:37.27 | jftsang | yes... but can I define a section of hollow space? |
| 21:37.41 | Winny | err |
| 21:37.43 | Winny | uh |
| 21:37.47 | JeffM | sure, uf you make your mesh have a hollow space :) |
| 21:37.54 | JeffM | the mesh does NOT have to be convex |
| 21:37.58 | JeffM | it can be concave |
| 21:38.24 | JeffM | you can make a mesh that is like a shoebox with no top |
| 21:38.52 | JeffM | just depends on how thick you want the sides to be |
| 21:39.41 | jftsang | I'm sorry, I still don't get what you're saying. Do you mean that I could have a large box, and cut bits out of it by using a mesh in the middle? |
| 21:39.47 | JeffM | no |
| 21:39.54 | JeffM | you would define the entire thing as a mesh |
| 21:40.17 | jftsang | ok then. |
| 21:40.28 | Winny | A mesh is an object that is defined by veticies, and those varticies form faces. You can "cut" bits in your modellere |
| 21:40.31 | JeffM | the primitive objects can not be changed |
| 21:40.40 | Winny | like, blender has a boolean difference function |
| 21:41.01 | blast007 | Winny: how 'true' that is! |
| 21:41.03 | JeffM | can the shape you want exist in the real world? |
| 21:41.14 | JeffM | coudl you carve it out of clay? |
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| 21:42.08 | goldie | hgello |
| 21:42.14 | JeffM | hello |
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| 21:42.17 | Winny | hi |
| 21:42.19 | jftsang | well. I would start off with a big cube of clay and then cut a corner off it |
| 21:42.23 | blast007 | hi |
| 21:42.26 | goldie | hello |
| 21:42.26 | jftsang | hi |
| 21:42.52 | JeffM | jftsang, ok, so then what you would do woudl define a mesh that follows the surface of that block |
| 21:42.54 | goldie | wot is packetloss |
| 21:42.57 | goldie | on the game |
| 21:43.05 | JeffM | we don't have any optiosn for "loping" stuff off |
| 21:43.16 | JeffM | goldie, it is when data you send to the server dosnt' make it |
| 21:43.16 | blast007 | goldie: lost network data |
| 21:43.26 | JeffM | are you on a wireless network? |
| 21:43.36 | goldie | nope |
| 21:43.59 | JeffM | are you connected to a server that is very far away from you? |
| 21:44.08 | jftsang | (geographically, e.g. Australia to UK) |
| 21:44.10 | goldie | no |
| 21:44.20 | goldie | im right next to the server |
| 21:44.23 | JeffM | and how much packetloss do you get? |
| 21:44.33 | goldie | 4 |
| 21:44.41 | JeffM | wow |
| 21:44.46 | blast007 | "right next" to you as in the same LAN? |
| 21:44.46 | JeffM | your lan must suck then |
| 21:44.47 | goldie | then it gets me off the game] |
| 21:45.05 | goldie | its a live box |
| 21:45.18 | JeffM | if the server is on your home network ( or same machine ) then you have networking issues |
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| 21:45.29 | JeffM | what does "live box" mean? |
| 21:46.09 | blast007 | my server is undead |
| 21:46.18 | goldie | its the box that connect you to the internet |
| 21:46.26 | JeffM | your modem? |
| 21:46.33 | goldie | yer |
| 21:46.34 | JeffM | and/or router |
| 21:46.38 | jftsang | can you even put BZFS on a modem / router? |
| 21:46.43 | JeffM | that is not the game server |
| 21:46.49 | JeffM | what game server do you connect to? |
| 21:47.01 | goldie | what do you mean |
| 21:47.16 | Winny | what server are you connecting to? |
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| 21:47.21 | JeffM | when you go to play a game, you pick a game server to play on. what one do you pick? |
| 21:47.41 | goldie | any one |
| 21:47.49 | Winny | then it's your connection |
| 21:47.50 | JeffM | and they all give you packetloss? |
| 21:47.59 | goldie | yer |
| 21:48.11 | goldie | and gitts |
| 21:48.13 | JeffM | then yes, it is ether your modem/router or your ISP |
| 21:48.18 | Winny | Make sure something else on your network isn't using all your bandwidth as well |
| 21:48.19 | goldie | jitts |
| 21:48.31 | JeffM | are there other computers on the network? |
| 21:48.37 | JeffM | and are they doing anything? |
| 21:48.40 | JeffM | like torrents? |
| 21:48.47 | goldie | no |
| 21:49.04 | goldie | there is the laptop but it isnt doin anything |
| 21:49.05 | JeffM | then it's your ISP or the hardware, or just your route out to the internet |
| 21:49.13 | JeffM | not much you can do about it |
| 21:49.16 | goldie | oh |
| 21:49.46 | goldie | ok |
| 21:50.34 | goldie | im on speed touch |
| 21:51.16 | Winny | which is? dialup? dsl? cable? |
| 21:51.24 | JeffM | dosn't realy matter for us |
| 21:51.32 | JeffM | loss is loss :) |
| 21:51.47 | jftsang | goldie, are you familiar with tracert? |
| 21:52.04 | goldie | no |
| 21:52.15 | jftsang | ok, never mind then |
| 21:52.23 | JeffM | best thing to do is just call your ISP |
| 21:52.42 | jftsang | it is a Friday evening... so |
| 21:53.05 | goldie | bye cya later |
| 21:53.08 | jftsang | chances are too many people are connecting to your ISP |
| 21:53.18 | goldie | bye |
| 21:53.40 | JeffM | jftsang, is this what you want to make? http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/box.png |
| 21:53.57 | jftsang | yup |
| 21:54.04 | JeffM | that is a 7 face mesh |
| 21:54.33 | jftsang | ok then... just wondered if there were any shortcuts :) |
| 21:54.46 | JeffM | no, we don't do constructive solid geometry |
| 21:54.51 | JeffM | our map format is not a modeler |
| 21:55.21 | Winny | blender has nice difference functions for this kind of thing |
| 21:55.29 | JeffM | that's just a slice |
| 21:55.39 | JeffM | the other part is in the body bag :) |
| 21:57.31 | Winny | hmm? |
| 21:57.52 | JeffM | a slice isn't a boolean |
| 21:57.54 | JeffM | realy |
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| 21:58.20 | Winny | I know, I'm saying in refernece to his original "cut out" thing |
| 21:58.56 | big_daddy2 | hi all |
| 21:58.59 | Winny | hi |
| 21:59.01 | JeffM | he was thinking in quake terms wherer you can add a hollow brush to annother brush and have it "remove" |
| 21:59.03 | JeffM | hello |
| 21:59.19 | big_daddy2 | hey jeff, i though u quit? |
| 21:59.26 | JeffM | nope |
| 21:59.29 | big_daddy2 | kool |
| 21:59.30 | JeffM | never said I quit |
| 21:59.34 | JeffM | said I'd do less |
| 21:59.37 | JeffM | and I am |
| 21:59.40 | Winny | he just left for a few weeks to scare the others into coding ;) |
| 21:59.41 | big_daddy2 | ah |
| 21:59.49 | JeffM | never even left |
| 21:59.54 | JeffM | just said I'd admin less |
| 21:59.56 | JeffM | and I do |
| 22:00.00 | JeffM | tis a good thing |
| 22:00.03 | big_daddy2 | i see |
| 22:00.06 | TheRedBaron | big_daddy2: we could never be that lucky ;( |
| 22:00.12 | Winny | haha |
| 22:00.22 | JeffM | sure you can, just piss me off |
| 22:00.27 | JeffM | it woudn't even be that hard |
| 22:00.35 | big_daddy2 | exactly |
| 22:00.48 | Constitution | JeffM: when will 3.0 come out? it's been so long!!! |
| 22:00.56 | JeffM | when it's done |
| 22:00.58 | big_daddy2 | lol true dat |
| 22:01.20 | Winny | about the same time as Dukem Nuke... oh wait |
| 22:01.24 | jftsang | when 3.0 comes out, will anyone still play 2.0? |
| 22:01.26 | Winny | that is coming out suppostedly |
| 22:01.28 | JeffM | probably Winny |
| 22:01.45 | big_daddy2 | probably not jttsang, lol |
| 22:01.52 | big_daddy2 | but u always find some 1 |
| 22:02.01 | JeffM | the transition will take time |
| 22:02.09 | JeffM | probably 3-6 months |
| 22:02.11 | jftsang | I would... saves me having to build the plugins all over again :P |
| 22:02.20 | big_daddy2 | true... |
| 22:02.27 | Winny | woohoo, admining two servers at once |
| 22:02.32 | big_daddy2 | i just had to rebuild all my confs -.- |
| 22:02.46 | Winny | heh |
| 22:02.46 | whodaman | Winny, :p |
| 22:03.22 | jftsang | is there an ibot function that tells you the current server on which a specified player is playing? |
| 22:03.32 | big_daddy2 | there sure are alot of ppl on thee days, eh? |
| 22:04.00 | jftsang | big_daddy2, I would object to that |
| 22:04.13 | jftsang | there seems to have been a drop in 50 servers over this week alone |
| 22:04.16 | big_daddy2 | jftsang, how so? |
| 22:04.29 | big_daddy2 | dang.... |
| 22:04.38 | jftsang | there used to be around 300 - 330 servers... now we have 249 |
| 22:04.45 | Winny | heh |
| 22:05.11 | Winny | why is that a bad thing? |
| 22:05.38 | Winny | keep in mind, fairserve/bzflagr is down, which is probably 20-30 of those |
| 22:06.06 | JeffM | jftsang, no, that's what the stats site if for |
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| 22:06.14 | JeffM | ibot is not a bzflag only thing |
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