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| 00:30.14 | KTL | there is only shadow on the ground ... not on buildings |
| 00:30.52 | Winny | KTL, good job |
| 00:30.58 | blast007 | KTL: yeah, the shadows in bzflag aren't too advanced |
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| 00:31.20 | Winny | we need ogre :p |
| 00:32.28 | KTL | observer mode in trunk seems to be broken? |
| 00:33.43 | blast007 | how so? |
| 00:33.54 | KTL | i could not get into it |
| 00:34.01 | Winny | you can't roam |
| 00:34.03 | KTL | it asked "press i to begin " |
| 00:34.10 | KTL | or similar, as if i had to spawn |
| 00:34.17 | KTL | but i did not help |
| 00:35.14 | JeffM2501 | our shadows are only projected onto the ground plane |
| 00:35.19 | JeffM2501 | they are not 3d volumes |
| 00:35.28 | Winny | someone should fix that ;) |
| 00:35.33 | KTL | :) |
| 00:35.43 | JeffM2501 | there is more then one way to do that |
| 00:35.58 | JeffM2501 | and actualy I think a lot of people would complain |
| 00:36.05 | JeffM2501 | it has a tendency to make the maps a LOT darker |
| 00:36.14 | Winny | could be a client option |
| 00:36.28 | JeffM2501 | take a map into blender, and add a sun, render it ;) |
| 00:36.33 | Winny | too many textures |
| 00:36.34 | KTL | mmmm ... caves would need artificial lights ... |
| 00:36.36 | JeffM2501 | with hard shadows |
| 00:36.37 | Winny | remember rat's nest? :P |
| 00:36.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah, all "buildings" would be dark |
| 00:37.07 | Winny | isn't that the idea behind a shadow? ... |
| 00:37.14 | JeffM2501 | and if we do world lights you can't use GL's lighting |
| 00:37.29 | JeffM2501 | GL only does 8 lights and no shadows |
| 00:38.13 | JeffM2501 | so you have to build up some sort of system that not only computes the shadows, but does the 8 strongest lights per polygon/object. |
| 00:38.18 | KTL | ambient light? |
| 00:38.28 | JeffM2501 | you can do that |
| 00:38.37 | JeffM2501 | but too muich and it blows out the shadows and looks mucky |
| 00:38.50 | JeffM2501 | makes evertything in the shadow look bland |
| 00:38.53 | JeffM2501 | since it's not directional |
| 00:38.59 | Constitution | a 3D engine would do lights AND shadows |
| 00:39.08 | JeffM2501 | if the engine has a lighting solution ;) |
| 00:39.14 | Winny | Ogre! :D |
| 00:39.15 | JeffM2501 | not all do |
| 00:39.51 | JeffM2501 | but yes, at that point the work for implementing it may be less then an engine integration |
| 00:40.03 | JeffM2501 | IMHO the less graphics programing we have to do the better. |
| 00:40.17 | Winny | how is the rain done now, particles? |
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| 00:40.26 | JeffM2501 | but the more platforms we probalby loose |
| 00:40.39 | JeffM2501 | Winny, depends what you mean by particles |
| 00:40.44 | JeffM2501 | what is a particle? |
| 00:41.19 | JeffM2501 | it's a repeatedly drawn object that is moved in acordance with a predefined algoryighm |
| 00:41.36 | JeffM2501 | but it's not part of an overall particle system that can be used for other things. |
| 00:41.54 | Constitution | by using a 3D engine, we would lose full platforms? or just some old hardware support? |
| 00:42.05 | JeffM2501 | depends on the engine |
| 00:42.28 | JeffM2501 | I can't say that all engines support SGI and Sun machines, can you? ;) |
| 00:42.41 | Constitution | heh |
| 00:42.51 | JeffM2501 | OSG probalby has the largest OS support, but probalby the smallest feature gain |
| 00:43.02 | JeffM2501 | CS probalby has the smallest OS support |
| 00:43.02 | Winny | why are supporting thoe so important? |
| 00:43.10 | Constitution | well until we decide one way or the other, it's unlikely that anyone will want to put in the work |
| 00:43.27 | JeffM2501 | Winny, they shoudl be considered, we support them now. If we desuport them we will be pissing someone off |
| 00:43.32 | JeffM2501 | and we need to make sure that is worht it |
| 00:43.55 | JeffM2501 | it maybe that the features we get outweight the pissyness of 5 people |
| 00:43.58 | JeffM2501 | or it may not |
| 00:44.22 | donny_baker | JeffM2501: give me a list so we can decide ... if Winny is on it we can drop support :P |
| 00:44.40 | Winny | \o/ |
| 00:44.52 | Constitution | one feature that we get is that it makes future graphic enhancements a ton easier |
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| 00:45.02 | Winny | Epyon!! |
| 00:45.06 | JeffM2501 | Constitution, depends on the engine |
| 00:45.25 | JeffM2501 | not all engines upgrade cleanly |
| 00:46.06 | JeffM2501 | I mean Ogre says they only support windows, linux and OSX. |
| 00:46.07 | donny_baker | couldn't even guarentee that those that do upgrade cleanly now, will do so in the future |
| 00:46.26 | whodaman | Epyon, you always do that and he never reacts :p |
| 00:46.28 | JeffM2501 | that would blow out irix, solaris, and BSD just to name a few |
| 00:46.45 | whodaman | err |
| 00:46.45 | Winny | eh, I thought they supported irix |
| 00:46.51 | whodaman | Winny* not Epyon |
| 00:46.56 | whodaman | <.< |
| 00:47.07 | JeffM2501 | http://www.ogre3d.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=128 |
| 00:47.15 | KTL | some people are easely scared by enthousiasm :) |
| 00:47.20 | whodaman | heh |
| 00:47.25 | JeffM2501 | only 3 that are mentioned is win, lin, and tosh |
| 00:47.36 | Winny | I think that's for development, no? |
| 00:47.49 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous always brings up the point that people EXPECT us to run on irix |
| 00:47.56 | JeffM2501 | Winny, what do you mean "development"? |
| 00:48.07 | Winny | how many people do you think honestly run that OS and *no* other OSes? |
| 00:48.09 | JeffM2501 | irix people build there own |
| 00:48.17 | JeffM2501 | Winny, evreyone using an SGI machine |
| 00:48.28 | JeffM2501 | they ain't PCs |
| 00:48.38 | Winny | I bet if they have one, they'll have a PC somewhere |
| 00:48.49 | JeffM2501 | not at a school lab |
| 00:48.50 | Erroneous | they can play other games on their pc |
| 00:49.11 | JeffM2501 | the point is, they would NO LONGER be able to play on the SGI machine |
| 00:49.16 | JeffM2501 | and that's a big change |
| 00:49.21 | JeffM2501 | is it worth it? I don't know |
| 00:49.27 | Erroneous | bsd is rather important also |
| 00:49.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:49.44 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm betting Ogre has a decent shot of compiling on BSD |
| 00:49.53 | Erroneous | probably so |
| 00:49.55 | a_meteorite | probably just not in their support window |
| 00:50.06 | a_meteorite | Like "we explicitly support this and make sure it works" |
| 00:50.42 | JeffM2501 | CS gives a similar vauge "support" statement |
| 00:51.16 | Erroneous | http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/graphics/ogre3d/ |
| 00:51.48 | JeffM2501 | not too bad |
| 00:52.12 | Erroneous | and pkgsrc too / |
| 00:52.18 | Erroneous | http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-current/pkgsrc/devel/ogre/ |
| 00:52.37 | JeffM2501 | that's another reason I like ogre, they seem to be "on the ball" with regards to stuff like platforms |
| 00:53.08 | Constitution | ~brlcad++ |
| 00:53.29 | Winny | ~brlcad++ |
| 00:53.44 | brlcad | ~ogre++ |
| 00:53.50 | JeffM2501 | hej |
| 00:54.36 | JeffM2501 | ogre would not be a drop in ether |
| 00:54.39 | Winny | I could swear I read on the ogre site they support Irix |
| 00:54.53 | JeffM2501 | the closest thing to a drop in would be OSG |
| 00:54.53 | brlcad | or we'd just have to build ogre on the other platforms and push any changes upstream |
| 00:55.06 | JeffM2501 | but realy all we'd get outa that would be material managmeent and there sceengraph |
| 00:55.11 | brlcad | i don't see other plats really being a problem, just *they* don't want to support everything under the sun |
| 00:55.21 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 00:56.32 | a_meteorite | could probably package in ogre with bz and if it needs patching (hopefully small) for other platforms, then it'd be available |
| 00:56.32 | JeffM2501 | it'll still be a duanting task, and whatever branch it is done in will be busted for some time as everything gets moved over. |
| 00:56.45 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, no, make them get it |
| 00:56.47 | JeffM2501 | ogre is big |
| 00:57.00 | JeffM2501 | and has it's own list of dependencies |
| 00:57.15 | a_meteorite | so contribute patches back to ogre to help them |
| 00:57.17 | a_meteorite | oh, make the users get ogre |
| 00:57.17 | JeffM2501 | the point of going with a 3rd party engine is so we don't have to maintain graphics code :) |
| 00:57.22 | a_meteorite | true |
| 00:57.31 | Winny | hopOnOneFoot-whileThe-blueMoonIsOut? |
| 00:57.33 | JeffM2501 | yes, of course we'd submit patches back, thats' what brlcad is saying |
| 00:58.01 | JeffM2501 | it's just someone say on irix would have to DO that work if they wanted to be able to use that version |
| 00:58.10 | JeffM2501 | and maybe that's acceptable |
| 00:58.13 | JeffM2501 | I'd be ok with it |
| 00:59.04 | a_meteorite | do we have that many irix users? |
| 00:59.06 | donny_baker | they would mostu likely be more capable of doing than a windows or mac user |
| 00:59.11 | a_meteorite | I think *BSD and Solaris is much more... |
| 00:59.16 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 01:00.15 | JeffM2501 | from what I understand there are few games that run on IRIX and many SGI labs play bzflag on private lans. |
| 01:00.28 | Winny | they could use 2.0 ;) |
| 01:00.37 | JeffM2501 | perhaps |
| 01:00.57 | JeffM2501 | but how would you feel if I told you that you could no longer upgrade? |
| 01:01.09 | a_meteorite | feel really bummed, for sure |
| 01:01.19 | JeffM2501 | specicaly since bzflag was started on irix |
| 01:01.30 | KTL | bzflag as teambuilding game in a company? :) |
| 01:01.37 | Epyon | whodaman, Winny, :) |
| 01:01.38 | Winny | JeffM2501, if I knew that I was one of the other ~10-20 people that used the game regularily, I wouldn't throw a fit |
| 01:01.41 | Winny | Epyon! :D |
| 01:01.47 | donny_baker | i thought it started on SGI... guess I thought wrong |
| 01:01.52 | JeffM2501 | how do you know its' only 20 people? |
| 01:01.58 | whodaman | Epyon, :D |
| 01:02.02 | spldart | I thought it started as a college experiment |
| 01:02.03 | spldart | hehe |
| 01:02.10 | JeffM2501 | donny_baker, SGI's run irix ;) |
| 01:02.15 | Winny | just guessing, note I said "regularily", too |
| 01:02.36 | donny_baker | ah... I have no experience with them ... obviously |
| 01:02.49 | JeffM2501 | SGIs run irix, sun's run solaris |
| 01:03.16 | donny_baker | yeah, i've had my share of sun systems to administer |
| 01:04.15 | brlcad | sgi's *used* to run irix ;) |
| 01:04.24 | brlcad | irix was officially deprecated last year |
| 01:04.35 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 01:04.40 | JeffM2501 | is it now linux? |
| 01:04.46 | Erroneous | mips-based sgis run irix |
| 01:04.49 | brlcad | it will be "dead" in 4 years |
| 01:05.01 | spldart | passing of an era? |
| 01:05.56 | brlcad | their new servers are all on the itanium2 bandwagon, running a (heavily) modified linux (rhel-based iirc) |
| 01:06.25 | Erroneous | some "bandwagon" :P |
| 01:06.42 | brlcad | it's a small band |
| 01:06.46 | Erroneous | heh |
| 01:06.48 | JeffM2501 | and a rickety wagon |
| 01:07.24 | donny_baker | could you call it a band or would it just be a small jam session |
| 01:07.57 | spldart | garage |
| 01:08.21 | brlcad | intel's itanium does alright in the supercomputing arena (almost single-handedly because of sgi) |
| 01:08.26 | Erroneous | donny_baker: if one-man-bands can call themselves band... ;) |
| 01:08.45 | Erroneous | hp's pushed itanium pretty hard at the upper end too |
| 01:09.09 | Erroneous | from what I've heard, if you write specifically for it, it's not a bad architecture |
| 01:09.55 | brlcad | yeah, the altix for all it's priceyness is my favorite dev platform when it comes to performance |
| 01:10.15 | brlcad | an utter i/o beast |
| 01:13.52 | brlcad | and the best scalable linux deployment barnone doing really well putting all of the processors to work, and allowing massive SMP image sizes |
| 01:19.12 | Winny | grr, every time I see brlcad I think it's brad, and when I see brad I think it's brlcad |
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| 03:05.18 | Eliott | hi all |
| 03:06.18 | brlcad | Winny: me too! |
| 03:06.46 | Eliott | so i m getting close to my goal.. bzflag 3.0 compiled, in a folder, with the other folder called data and the libcurl.dll file, but then now it still says "no fonts found" .. so what do i miss ? |
| 03:09.38 | blast007 | Eliott: you're using the data directory from the 3.0 source, right? |
| 03:10.04 | blast007 | and doesn't it copy bzflag.exe to the root of the source directory anyway? and if so, does it run from *there*? |
| 03:14.37 | Eliott | blast007, ok, got it to work.. now.. is it me, or the tank is muuuuch more slower than 2.0.10 ? |
| 03:15.09 | a_meteorite | it may be the server setting Eliott |
| 03:15.56 | Eliott | oh, ok |
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| 04:05.25 | Eliott | oh my god |
| 04:05.33 | Eliott | those cheater clients are VERY annoying |
| 04:05.39 | Eliott | there's no fun anymore |
| 04:05.47 | Winny | heh |
| 04:05.50 | Eliott | i should get one. |
| 04:05.52 | Winny | ban them |
| 04:05.58 | Eliott | you can t kill me, i can t kill you , no more fun |
| 04:06.02 | Eliott | how do i do that ? |
| 04:06.11 | Winny | no cheating :) |
| 04:06.24 | Eliott | like i just quit a game, a guy had flying, guided missile, and oscillation |
| 04:06.29 | Winny | if you do it, you become part of the problem. |
| 04:06.39 | Eliott | Winny, well.. if i play their game, maybe they ll get pissed off and stop that shit |
| 04:06.50 | Winny | haha, no. |
| 04:06.58 | Eliott | this is sooo annoying |
| 04:07.00 | Eliott | gee |
| 04:07.21 | Eliott | no safe place anymore |
| 04:07.48 | Eliott | ok |
| 04:07.50 | Eliott | going ti bed |
| 04:07.53 | Eliott | ++ |
| 04:07.59 | Winny | k |
| 04:11.21 | spldart | Bed... that sounds good |
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| 04:41.57 | JeffM | and now the troll is angry.... |
| 04:42.35 | brlcad | i am not |
| 04:42.46 | JeffM | that'll do it |
| 04:43.00 | JeffM | next time you may not be on top of a roof |
| 04:43.05 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 04:43.07 | JeffM | and I did forget one thing |
| 04:43.11 | DTRemenak | but it was a good idea |
| 04:43.23 | JeffM | when did you reposition the optics of the magesight gogles to point down ? ;) |
| 04:43.31 | DTRemenak | didn't have goggles |
| 04:43.39 | JeffM | then how did you see over the edge? |
| 04:43.41 | DTRemenak | had an endoscope |
| 04:43.49 | JeffM | ok when did you reposition it? |
| 04:43.51 | JeffM | he moved |
| 04:43.53 | DTRemenak | attached to my crossbow scope |
| 04:44.05 | JeffM | then you would have had to move to the edge like Daniel |
| 04:44.13 | DTRemenak | no, just move the crossbow |
| 04:44.19 | DTRemenak | just like aiming |
| 04:44.31 | DTRemenak | but with the thing dangling off the edge |
| 04:44.52 | JeffM | then how did you know to have it dangling down that side? |
| 04:45.03 | JeffM | when before it was pointing over to them across the street? |
| 04:45.04 | DTRemenak | saw where the troll went |
| 04:45.15 | DTRemenak | I can draw a diagram if you want |
| 04:45.26 | JeffM | it was just never declared, thats all |
| 04:45.36 | DTRemenak | 'twasn't a large movement |
| 04:45.40 | JeffM | probably not |
| 04:45.53 | JeffM | it may be a good idea to get Chris a diagram of what that setup looks like |
| 04:46.04 | JeffM | cus he'll ask those questions |
| 04:46.06 | DTRemenak | if you want I'll announce it next time :) |
| 04:46.13 | JeffM | it's not me |
| 04:46.16 | JeffM | it'll be him |
| 04:46.26 | DTRemenak | so if he wants, I'll announce it :P |
| 04:46.27 | JeffM | it's the only thing that came to mind as I drove home |
| 04:46.38 | DTRemenak | or I'll just look over the edge |
| 04:47.05 | JeffM | the troll was going to toss a smoke grenade up there on his next turn |
| 04:47.13 | DTRemenak | the troll didn't get a next turn :P |
| 04:47.16 | a_meteorite | what are you guys talking about? ... |
| 04:47.22 | JeffM | trolls |
| 04:47.26 | a_meteorite | ummm ok |
| 04:47.30 | JeffM | and mages |
| 04:47.34 | JeffM | and sniper riffles |
| 04:47.35 | DTRemenak | and guns |
| 04:47.51 | JeffM | Mr. Moody just made the troll mad |
| 04:47.58 | a_meteorite | mages, never heard of it. Is this some sort of MMORPG reference? |
| 04:48.02 | JeffM | nope |
| 04:48.17 | JeffM | not all things are computerised ;) |
| 04:48.37 | JeffM | Rule #1 of shadowrun, shoot the mage |
| 04:48.48 | JeffM | Rule #2, kill the troll. |
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| 05:00.42 | Ride- | my map is being hosted |
| 05:01.42 | Ride- | :( no one is here sniff sniff |
| 05:01.54 | a_meteorite | this isn't AIM |
| 05:02.01 | JeffM | many are here |
| 05:02.09 | JeffM | they just did not choose to respond to you |
| 05:02.12 | JeffM | such is the nature of IRC |
| 05:02.17 | Ride- | :( |
| 05:02.18 | JeffM | who is hosting your map? |
| 05:02.30 | Ride- | Benefish tommorow |
| 05:02.36 | JeffM | then there ya go |
| 05:02.43 | Ride- | PETER got it done for me |
| 05:02.48 | Ride- | :D |
| 05:02.49 | JeffM | good for him |
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| 05:03.29 | bz16 | ;l |
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| 08:38.45 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16625 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/TimeKeeper.cxx: In Windows, set the processor affinity on a per-thread basis rather than a per-process basis. This will be important when we start spawning more threads. |
| 08:40.33 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16626 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: try to come up with a reasonably robust configure test for pthreads. warning: completely untested (maybe I'll get around to it tomorrow). |
| 08:45.14 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16627 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/clientCommands.cxx: |
| 08:45.15 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: spawn a new thread for screenshot compression and writing. pthread side of |
| 08:45.15 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: things is loosely based on randomparticle's patch #1885849, fixed up a bunch so |
| 08:45.15 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: as not to break any existing functionality (write notifications, renderer string |
| 08:45.15 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: output, etc) and not make pthreads a mandatory dependency. warning: not tested |
| 08:45.17 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: on any unixlike machines, YMMV. |
| 08:45.43 | Constitution | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 08:46.11 | DTRemenak | someone(tm) might want to test all that on a real os ;) |
| 08:46.49 | DTRemenak | I'm putting my money on "won't get past autogen.sh" personally |
| 08:49.27 | Constitution | autogens ok on OS X |
| 08:49.52 | DTRemenak | wow |
| 08:51.02 | Constitution | during configure it says "checking for working pthreads..." but doesn't say "yes" or "no", and doesn't add a newline, so the GLEW check starts on the same line |
| 08:51.09 | DTRemenak | heh, oops |
| 08:51.13 | Constitution | e.g., "checking for working pthreads... checking for GLEW library... yes" |
| 08:51.52 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16628 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: always good to throw in an AC_MESSAGE_RESULT too |
| 08:54.30 | Constitution | seems to work |
| 08:54.43 | DTRemenak | detects pthreads and everything? |
| 08:54.47 | Constitution | at least for systems that do have it :) |
| 08:54.53 | Constitution | haven't tested on a system without it |
| 08:54.54 | DTRemenak | cool, that's half the battle ;) |
| 08:56.03 | DTRemenak | or more...'cause that means my untested test code actually compiles and links |
| 09:03.59 | DTRemenak | does bzflag build (and screenshotting work) too, or has it not gotten there yet? |
| 09:04.23 | Constitution | mm, didn't try to build |
| 09:04.26 | Constitution | will do that now |
| 09:04.59 | DTRemenak | thanks |
| 09:17.57 | Constitution | yep, seems to work |
| 09:18.03 | DTRemenak | sweet! |
| 09:18.36 | Constitution | good work :) |
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| 09:20.28 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16629 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: some BSDs have pthreads natively in the reentrant c lib (libc_r), and may not have libpthread. check for it... |
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| 09:35.02 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16630 10/trunk/bzflag/NEWS: threaded screenshots |
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| 10:08.08 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16631 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/clientCommands.cxx: oops, forgot a few lines (unbreak the GL Renderer tEXt chunk output) |
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| 10:44.53 | ts | DTRemenak: Seems like it works..still a bit odd but ok. |
| 10:46.12 | ts | DTRemenak: It produces a litle FPS slowdown when pushing the button, then fast again, slowing down when saving the file and finally back to old speed. |
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| 11:04.27 | jorgenpt | ts: Is that on a single-core system |
| 11:04.28 | jorgenpt | ? |
| 11:05.06 | brlcad | sweet, client got threads before server .. didn't expect that |
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| 11:07.59 | ts | jorgenpt: yes |
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| 19:26.14 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jannejun * r16632 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (MessageUtilities.cxx MessageUtilities.h): Changed parsing of ints to parsing of uint32_t. Added parsing for uint64_t. |
| 19:27.51 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jannejun * r16633 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (13 files): Started adding support for shot information delivery between Backend and Frontend. |
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| 20:38.03 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jannejun * r16634 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (8 files): Added support for retrieving the shot velocity. |
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| 21:19.02 | Winny | forum admins feel like deleting this? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12270 |
| 21:19.16 | Winny | I never even agreed to that... |
| 21:19.23 | Winny | so I dunno what he's talking about |
| 21:23.26 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:24.05 | Winny | he asked me a couple weeks ago, and I said "Ill get back to you, but I doubt it" ... |
| 21:24.09 | JeffM | I was wondering why you all needed some announcement when we had said you'd just use the dev foum |
| 21:24.13 | Winny | I guess that means "yes" to him |
| 21:24.35 | JeffM | saturos talked about it as well |
| 21:24.41 | JeffM | but I don't think you need a "group" |
| 21:24.46 | Winny | this isn't even related to my textures |
| 21:24.48 | JeffM | just make some art, and go from there |
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| 21:42.03 | JeffM | ahh the joys of installing windows |
| 21:42.18 | F687s | which Windows? |
| 21:42.23 | JeffM | XP home |
| 21:42.32 | F687s | ah... |
| 21:42.45 | JeffM | new drive for the laptop |
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| 21:43.50 | Winny | ick, XP Home? |
| 21:43.57 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:44.05 | JeffM | not like it ever logs into a domain |
| 21:45.34 | Gilly | JeffM: i'd need to make a simulation on a shot without altering the real shot... I need assumed info on a shot after some time dt |
| 21:45.46 | Gilly | i thought about copying the shot and updating the copy |
| 21:46.02 | Gilly | but there's a problem because I think i'd also have to copy the shotstrategy which is a private (or protected?) member |
| 21:46.14 | JeffM | copy the shot strat class |
| 21:46.32 | JeffM | yeah you'd copy the entire thing |
| 21:46.39 | JeffM | including the strat |
| 21:46.52 | Gilly | yea... but i'm looking at it from outside :( |
| 21:46.55 | Gilly | can't get the strat |
| 21:46.56 | JeffM | or make a method on the strat that takes a new DT, does the prediciton, but dosn't update the state |
| 21:47.06 | JeffM | that'd be simpler |
| 21:47.11 | Gilly | yea maybe |
| 21:47.22 | JeffM | kinda like a "where will you be" method on the shot, isntead of just a "update" |
| 21:47.30 | JeffM | that seems cleaner to me |
| 21:47.35 | JeffM | and more usefull for more people |
| 21:47.50 | Gilly | yes... should there be any need for "what will your velocity be"? |
| 21:47.58 | JeffM | no |
| 21:48.03 | JeffM | vel dosn't change |
| 21:48.08 | JeffM | just vector and postion |
| 21:48.14 | Gilly | not even for shockwave or anything else? |
| 21:48.17 | blast007 | nope |
| 21:48.19 | JeffM | they never slow down |
| 21:48.21 | Gilly | ok great |
| 21:48.22 | JeffM | or speed up |
| 21:48.27 | JeffM | they just bounce ;) |
| 21:48.38 | Gilly | gonna fix my getvelo right away then, i left a placeholder for dt there too ;) |
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| 21:53.25 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jannejun * r16635 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (5 files): Removed useless dt stuff in getVelocity for shots. |
| 21:53.43 | Gilly | And now to tackle that strategy :P |
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| 22:01.26 | donny_baker | ~seen Constitution |
| 22:01.28 | ibot | constitution <n=const@unaffiliated/macsforme> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 12h 42m 52s ago, saying: 'good work :)'. |
| 22:01.32 | Winny | :( |
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| 22:06.28 | Gilly | Um... actually, wouldn't velocity after dt still be relevant as it tells us also the direction the shot is going to? |
| 22:11.43 | JeffM | the magnitude of the vector is the velocity |
| 22:11.55 | JeffM | that's why you don't need a sperrate velocity variable |
| 22:14.59 | Gilly | err, i might be wrong but isn't the magnitude usually called "speed" and the vector itself a velocity? |
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| 22:16.20 | Gilly | at least when i've been speaking of velocity i've always meant this vector... |
| 22:16.28 | Gilly | so would dt still be relevant for this vector? |
| 22:16.56 | JeffM | oh yeah |
| 22:17.03 | JeffM | cus we can update that at any time |
| 22:17.06 | JeffM | and it changes on a rico |
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| 22:18.09 | Gilly | :P is there a fast way to revert a commit? |
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| 22:21.03 | JeffM | svn can do it, but I don't know the command line command |
| 22:21.25 | Gilly | i'll check it out soon |
| 22:34.18 | Winny | I'm gonna set a temporary onjoin, no one get mad at me |
| 22:34.19 | Winny | :P |
| 22:34.32 | Winny | ~onjoin Constitution #bzflag Winny: ping |
| 22:34.48 | Winny | hmm |
| 22:35.26 | Winny | disabled? :( |
| 22:35.32 | JeffM | dude, send him a PM on bzbb ;) |
| 22:35.41 | think_tank | brilliant! |
| 22:35.50 | a_meteorite | oh noes, isn't that what they were meant for? |
| 22:36.47 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jannejun * r16636 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (5 files): Reverted back to shot velocity retrieving with dt support... :P |
| 22:38.23 | JeffM | Winny, shoulda gone with BSD ;) |
| 22:38.28 | Winny | meh :p |
| 22:38.42 | JeffM | then you woudln't be rootzorded |
| 22:39.24 | JeffM | you sure you were attacked? |
| 22:39.49 | Winny | yeah, our machine started brtue forcing other machines |
| 22:39.54 | Winny | brute, even |
| 22:40.19 | JeffM | ouch |
| 22:40.29 | JeffM | a_meteorite, you get your UDP stuff worked out? |
| 22:40.49 | Winny | he cancelled his server :D |
| 22:40.57 | a_meteorite | nope, it was only dropping player update UDP packets |
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| 22:43.22 | JeffM | you ended up canceling? |
| 22:43.41 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 22:43.42 | JeffM | what is your plan now? |
| 22:44.01 | Winny | a_meteorite: join everyone else at sagonet :p |
| 22:44.16 | a_meteorite | getting another server |
| 22:44.29 | a_meteorite | probably/possibly sagonet |
| 22:44.37 | JeffM | priced it out, it wasn't that much diffrence over a year, tho it was less bandwith |
| 22:44.46 | JeffM | xlhost looked to be also decent |
| 22:44.51 | a_meteorite | very true indeed |
| 22:45.04 | JeffM | both can do paypall |
| 22:45.08 | Winny | mofo has had issues with them lately |
| 22:45.17 | Winny | Global crossing, more specifically |
| 22:45.21 | a_meteorite | yeah, paypal is a huge plus, cause sending off money orders is a pita |
| 22:45.22 | JeffM | Winny, because they haven't let them move the box ;) |
| 22:45.50 | JeffM | a_meteorite, tho with sagonet you will have to do some more serious contract work, auth on a credit card, provide photo ID, etc.. |
| 22:45.58 | JeffM | it won't be the same as the others you expect |
| 22:46.06 | a_meteorite | even for paypal? ick.. |
| 22:46.18 | Winny | You got something to hide? :) |
| 22:46.26 | JeffM | you can setup paypall AFTER |
| 22:46.35 | a_meteorite | I don't have a state ID |
| 22:46.42 | JeffM | then get one |
| 22:46.46 | a_meteorite | it takes like 6 weeks to get one |
| 22:46.56 | JeffM | well you are a minor |
| 22:46.57 | JeffM | you can't do it |
| 22:47.00 | Winny | get one of those McLovin IDs from the superbad DVD boxes |
| 22:47.44 | a_meteorite | Winny: even my college and work ID is better than that :) |
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| 23:23.45 | Gilly | Shockwaves do not move, right? They just expand? |
| 23:24.14 | blast007_nokia | right |
| 23:25.26 | blast007_nokia | would be fun to mod a client/server so they would move ;) |
| 23:25.40 | blast007_nokia | shockcannon! |
| 23:29.41 | Gilly | :) |
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| 23:31.08 | Cybodog | anybody know what happened to urbancombat? Been sick for a few weeks, now it is not on the server lists |
| 23:31.47 | JeffM | servers come, severs go |
| 23:31.51 | JeffM | who owned it? |
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| 23:32.07 | Cybodog | not sure on the own, but Lady K and her man ran it |
| 23:32.11 | Winny | Cybodog, he hosted it on fairserve |
| 23:32.20 | Winny | which is down for, ehm, "maintence" lets call it |
| 23:32.44 | a_meteorite | Winny: quotes are mandatory ;) |
| 23:32.53 | Cybodog | does maintence main analyst? |
| 23:33.02 | JeffM | it means it's being worked on |
| 23:33.06 | Cybodog | K |
| 23:33.07 | JeffM | and will come back when they are done |
| 23:33.10 | Cybodog | just curious. |
| 23:33.16 | JeffM | but don't hold your breath |
| 23:33.27 | Winny | sholud be a day or two |
| 23:33.29 | Winny | I hope |
| 23:33.32 | Cybodog | still hopped up on the goofball and not even in close fighting form. |
| 23:33.36 | Cybodog | thanks |
| 23:33.46 | JeffM | please do not talk about that here. |
| 23:34.16 | Cybodog | na, all leagal script stuff :) |
| 23:34.20 | Cybodog | good stuff :) |
| 23:34.26 | JeffM | don't care |
| 23:34.28 | JeffM | this isn't the place |
| 23:34.38 | Cybodog | Anywhere, thanks for the heads up. |
| 23:34.57 | Cybodog | I will take my post surgury recovery elsware |
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| 23:35.06 | JeffM | good luck with it |
| 23:35.41 | Winny | grr, where is Const |
| 23:36.00 | Winny | I could go ahead and tell sagonet to reinstall, but that's not polite :p |
| 23:36.14 | a_meteorite | you guys did get a backup of all your stuff, right? |
| 23:36.18 | Winny | indeed |
| 23:37.29 | JeffM | Winny, there is no rush |
| 23:37.35 | JeffM | did you send him a PM or e-mail? |
| 23:37.44 | JeffM | or call him? |
| 23:38.02 | Winny | need him to authorize the install on the account ticket |
| 23:39.15 | JeffM | then you ether call him or wait :) |
| 23:41.09 | Gilly | Added those predicting functions to ShotStrategies and ShotPath... will commit now (it compiles but I haven't tested it, I'll do testing maybe tomorrow) |
| 23:43.05 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jannejun * r16637 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (9 files): Added functions to predict the shot position and velocity vectors after a given time. |
| 23:43.33 | Gilly | g'night folks ;) |
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| 23:58.08 | bz99 | hello? |
| 23:58.12 | bz99 | anyone here? |
| 23:58.17 | Winny | nope |
| 23:58.17 | bz99 | yoyooyoyoyo |
| 23:58.18 | Winny | boo |
| 23:58.22 | bz99 | haha |
| 23:58.34 | Winny | what can we help you with |
| 23:58.37 | bz99 | i have trouble getting on to bz flag |
| 23:58.46 | JeffM | what trouble do you have? |
| 23:58.56 | bz99 | it says it cant talk with the server lis |
| 23:58.59 | bz99 | *list |
| 23:59.10 | JeffM | are you behind a proxy server? |
| 23:59.30 | bz99 | i was playing a game and someone called and i stopped responding, havent been able to get on since |
| 23:59.37 | bz99 | idk what that this so i guess not |
| 23:59.48 | JeffM | it's probalby just your internet then |
| 23:59.51 | Winny | can you access http://my.bzflag.org ? |
| 23:59.51 | JeffM | it should come back later |
| 23:59.54 | JeffM | it can happen |