| 00:18.05 | awilcox | oww...good thing the GeForce I got is RoHS compliant, because one of the pins on the underside 'bit' my leg =/ |
| 00:18.19 | Winny | hmm? |
| 00:20.21 | awilcox | you know. the pins on the underside of a graphics card that are buggeredly sharp? |
| 00:20.49 | KTL | cutting yourself with gold :) |
| 00:21.01 | Winny | ohhh |
| 00:21.03 | Winny | ouch |
| 00:21.09 | awilcox | Winny: very ouch. |
| 00:21.17 | Winny | ;) |
| 00:21.19 | awilcox | teh NOES |
| 00:21.28 | KTL | gold is non toxic i see on wikipedia |
| 00:21.41 | KTL | Soluble compounds (gold salts) such as potassium gold cyanide, used in gold electroplating, are toxic to the liver and kidneys. |
| 00:21.48 | awilcox | KTL: yeah. and uh, silver |
| 00:22.14 | awilcox | hmm actually it may have been the server board |
| 00:22.19 | awilcox | eek, that has lead in the solder |
| 00:22.32 | awilcox | eh whats a little Pb between friends |
| 00:24.00 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:26.45 | Gnurdux | silver is toxic |
| 00:26.58 | Gnurdux | but not that toxic |
| 00:27.05 | Gnurdux | main side effect is that it turns you grey |
| 00:27.20 | Gnurdux | its very toxic to bacteria tho :) |
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| 00:44.27 | Winny | woo, segfault |
| 00:44.57 | Winny | err, ww |
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| 00:48.34 | Eliott | .. |
| 00:48.45 | Winny | hmm? |
| 00:49.09 | Eliott | So did you find a trick for VC9 to work with the release solution ? |
| 00:49.18 | JeffM | ya |
| 00:49.19 | Winny | 2.0 or 3.0? |
| 00:49.23 | Eliott | 3.0 |
| 00:49.25 | Winny | I keep forgetting |
| 00:49.25 | Winny | :p |
| 00:50.52 | Eliott | so.. ? :D |
| 00:51.02 | JeffM | aww crap who edited that page whiel I was ... |
| 00:51.14 | Winny | I thought you were done :/ |
| 00:51.18 | JeffM | what did you change? cus I'm about to blow it out |
| 00:51.28 | Winny | I Added an s where you forgot one |
| 00:51.32 | JeffM | ok |
| 00:51.33 | Winny | "erver list" |
| 00:51.34 | JeffM | then that's fine :) |
| 00:51.37 | JeffM | yeah I had fixed that |
| 00:51.41 | Winny | k :) |
| 00:52.00 | JeffM | you have a good start but your missing a lot of critical info |
| 00:52.04 | JeffM | like controlls |
| 00:52.06 | JeffM | and objectyives |
| 00:52.09 | JeffM | etc.. |
| 00:52.13 | spldart | Wow... I didn't know you could pick up a flag while in air |
| 00:52.27 | Winny | I was gonna do that tommorow |
| 00:52.55 | JeffM | Winny, I figured, but it needed to be there, insted of fluff like scoreboard and radar |
| 00:53.04 | JeffM | scorebord is pointless when you can't drive |
| 00:53.09 | Winny | yeah, guess so |
| 00:53.33 | JeffM | also your screen shot is horible |
| 00:53.36 | JeffM | and VERY non standard |
| 00:54.09 | Winny | "A typical server. This client has modified textures, so it will not look identical to yours." |
| 00:54.36 | JeffM | how does that help them at all |
| 00:54.49 | Eliott | Winny, so what's the trick to compile on 3.0 ? |
| 00:54.59 | JeffM | Eliott, update your coe |
| 00:55.00 | Winny | Eliott, click "Build solution"? |
| 00:55.01 | JeffM | code |
| 00:55.07 | JeffM | you have a bad project |
| 00:55.10 | JeffM | it was fixed |
| 00:55.24 | JeffM | Winny, I have a couple more small edits then I'll be done for a while |
| 00:55.34 | Winny | k |
| 00:55.35 | Eliott | cool.. |
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| 00:59.13 | Eliott | sweet. the compile worked for the release solution for bzflag.. |
| 00:59.21 | Eliott | i have 4 succeeded, is that right ? |
| 00:59.34 | Winny | should be more... |
| 00:59.46 | Eliott | i just build bzflag though.. |
| 00:59.50 | JeffM | Winny, no he built the others beforehand |
| 00:59.55 | Winny | ahh |
| 00:59.56 | JeffM | Eliott, that's fine |
| 00:59.57 | Winny | ok |
| 01:00.12 | JeffM | Winny, ok I'm done for now. I left some notes in *STUFF* |
| 01:00.20 | JeffM | to show oyu how to kinda frame it out |
| 01:00.23 | Winny | alright |
| 01:00.39 | JeffM | and I made it third person |
| 01:01.03 | JeffM | it would be nice if all the screenshots were the same size too |
| 01:01.25 | JeffM | and I added a section on the basic controlls |
| 01:03.07 | Eliott | So what's up with 2.0, is this so much different to compile on VC9 ? |
| 01:05.07 | Winny | JeffM, ok, added a standard 2.0 screenshot |
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| 01:13.11 | JeffM | Eliott, VC9 is not officialy suported with bzflag. 2.0 |
| 01:13.18 | JeffM | VC9 came out after it was released |
| 01:13.27 | JeffM | you have to do a number of things manualy |
| 01:13.51 | Eliott | ok |
| 01:14.02 | Winny | JeffM, what would you call non team flags? |
| 01:14.11 | JeffM | superflags and badflags |
| 01:14.13 | Winny | super flags is only for more powerful things, I thought |
| 01:14.38 | JeffM | superflags, badflags, and teamflags are the 3 types of flag |
| 01:15.40 | JeffM | and remember it's just an overview |
| 01:16.21 | Erroneous | flags are good, bad, team, or antidote |
| 01:17.38 | JeffM | even better |
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| 01:28.13 | spldart | oopsy... tripped on a cable @ the switch :( |
| 01:28.18 | Winny | hehe |
| 01:33.21 | Erroneous | that's more of a broken_circuit than a short_circuit |
| 01:34.29 | blast007 | JeffM: I'm around now. Still need me? |
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| 01:38.35 | spldart | bzzt |
| 01:39.11 | kierra | chestal, you awake by some chance? |
| 01:39.24 | kierra | [dmp] ping |
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| 01:53.06 | blast007 | brlcad: okay, with or without that SDL_VIDEO.. variabl set, it fails with: |
| 01:53.22 | blast007 | Could not set Video Mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual. |
| 01:53.37 | blast007 | ERROR: Unable to initialize an OpenGL renderer |
| 02:01.09 | JeffM | blast007, naw I foudn the file |
| 02:01.15 | JeffM | I done edited the bzflag main page :) |
| 02:01.19 | blast007 | k |
| 02:01.52 | blast007 | wow, my crudbuntu system makes a really nice screen while it goes into hibernation mode |
| 02:02.15 | blast007 | it's like video drivers + warp drive |
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| 02:12.57 | Eliott | back |
| 02:15.31 | blast007 | JeffM: did you get VC9 working? |
| 02:15.31 | Winny | k |
| 02:25.24 | whodaman- | ~ping |
| 02:25.25 | ibot | pong |
| 02:25.32 | whodaman- | phew |
| 02:26.02 | whodaman- | hm |
| 02:26.03 | me1 | is "setpassword" still a group permission? |
| 02:26.06 | whodaman- | list server isn't working for me |
| 02:26.46 | blast007 | works here |
| 02:28.09 | whodaman- | odd |
| 02:31.27 | me1 | what does the /setpassword command do? set the local registration passy? |
| 02:33.32 | a_meteorite | me1: Yes |
| 02:33.45 | a_meteorite | You need to be registered and identified first though, iirc |
| 02:33.53 | me1 | so it's depricated, thus not important |
| 02:34.11 | a_meteorite | Just so you know, local registration is highly NOT recommended. |
| 02:34.27 | me1 | i know |
| 02:34.28 | a_meteorite | In fact, 2.99.x removed all traces of it, iirc. |
| 02:34.34 | me1 | sweet |
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| 02:37.09 | awilcox | I have just learned two very important things |
| 02:37.22 | awilcox | 1) With enough force, any stubborn PCI slot cover can be removed |
| 02:37.42 | whodaman- | 1) your in the hospital and wont try it again |
| 02:37.44 | whodaman- | err |
| 02:37.44 | awilcox | 2) With enough force, the metal edge of a computer chassis can inflict a wound in a knuckle that WILL NOT BLEEDING |
| 02:37.46 | whodaman- | 2) |
| 02:37.50 | awilcox | *will not STOP bleeding |
| 02:38.55 | a_meteorite | awilcox: Watch out, blood is conductive! ;) |
| 02:41.51 | awilcox | lol |
| 02:41.56 | awilcox | it didn't get anywhere in the case |
| 02:42.08 | awilcox | but there was a pool of it in the sink when I ran to wash it |
| 02:42.36 | awilcox | but on the brighter side, I now have an installed GeForce 8600GTS |
| 02:43.24 | a_meteorite | SHARE! |
| 02:43.40 | a_meteorite | Is this your quad Xeon? |
| 02:43.51 | blast007 | me1: 2.99.x has no local registration at this point since it was deemed insecure |
| 02:44.06 | F687s | share? *hands a_meteorite a pool of excess blood* |
| 02:44.20 | a_meteorite | blast007: I think there was a proposal to keep local registration if it could be made to be secure. |
| 02:44.28 | blast007 | right |
| 02:44.50 | blast007 | as in, doing the MD5 encoding on the client instead of on the server |
| 02:44.58 | blast007 | so that they get a hash, not a password |
| 02:44.58 | a_meteorite | F687s: As long as I don't get blamed for killing awilcox when he bleeds out all over his quad Xeon |
| 02:45.02 | a_meteorite | Yeah |
| 02:45.09 | blast007 | still isn't that secure though |
| 02:45.16 | blast007 | since MD5's can be broken |
| 02:45.28 | blast007 | but I guess that's the risk they take |
| 02:45.52 | a_meteorite | Still a lot better than plain text |
| 02:46.19 | blast007 | yup |
| 02:49.42 | awilcox | a_meteorite: lol |
| 02:49.48 | awilcox | a_meteorite: yes this is my quad Xeon |
| 02:50.00 | a_meteorite | Please no pings now, just fired up A*A. |
| 02:50.03 | a_meteorite | Cool |
| 02:52.23 | awilcox | does that make me an official geek? |
| 02:52.33 | awilcox | now that I've bled due to the stupid chassis? |
| 02:52.46 | spldart | Stupid chassis! |
| 02:53.46 | F687s | at least you got the video card in ;-) |
| 02:54.01 | F687s | I just hope it wasn't your mousing hand... |
| 02:54.23 | awilcox | F687s: but it was |
| 02:54.24 | spldart | The one handed excersize hand |
| 02:54.52 | awilcox | I'm a righty, and it was my right hand, it was my *everything* hand |
| 02:54.57 | awilcox | except for the left side of the keyboard |
| 02:55.18 | awilcox | F687s: sure, just let me fire up lappy |
| 02:55.32 | awilcox | sadly the quad Xeon doesn't HAVE a quad Xeon yet...the processor STILL hasn't shipped |
| 02:55.46 | awilcox | the other parts including the nice monitor and gfx card are already here and installed. but no CPU |
| 02:55.49 | awilcox | >_< |
| 02:56.05 | awilcox | F687s: so where am I steering my bz client? |
| 02:56.16 | F687s | I was KIDDING... |
| 02:56.23 | awilcox | aw man |
| 02:56.30 | awilcox | I wanted to play some bz :( |
| 02:56.57 | awilcox | I hope I do pass out or somethin from all this blood loss |
| 02:57.02 | awilcox | s/do/don't/ |
| 02:57.23 | awilcox | ... jbot can't handle apostrophes |
| 02:57.25 | awilcox | s/can't/can/ |
| 02:57.26 | blast007 | you're already showing signs of blood loss! |
| 02:57.35 | awilcox | blast007: noooooo |
| 02:57.50 | awilcox | blast007: what should I dooooo? |
| 02:58.02 | spldart | turn to vampirizm |
| 02:58.15 | blast007 | hang upside down for an hour |
| 02:58.26 | awilcox | um |
| 02:58.27 | spldart | hrm... what server |
| 02:58.34 | awilcox | spldart: excalibur |
| 02:58.40 | spldart | mmmmm |
| 02:58.41 | awilcox | With this sword, I doth banish thee! |
| 02:59.17 | spldart | where do excal bne? |
| 02:59.47 | blast007 | awilcox: maybe there will be a "Press right mouse or 'i' to spawn" screen in Heaven. |
| 03:00.18 | F687s | awww....you made me lol! |
| 03:00.50 | Winny | blast007, what about spawn kills? |
| 03:01.27 | awilcox | blast007: Haha |
| 03:01.53 | blast007 | Jesus is using God mode! |
| 03:01.54 | awilcox | spldart: excalibur.revelantis.net port 5154...and I'll be right there |
| 03:02.02 | awilcox | hahahahaha |
| 03:02.18 | awilcox | blast007: you need to be one of those people that you consult with when you die...lol |
| 03:02.20 | blast007 | /hostban *.jesus.hvn 0 (Jesus) God mode |
| 03:05.58 | awilcox | spldart: the nos, the server is gone |
| 03:06.32 | awilcox | spldart: bzf.bzflag.org port 5155 will do |
| 03:07.44 | awilcox | spldart: see you there |
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| 03:10.43 | awilcox | spldart: coming? |
| 03:13.31 | awilcox | Well this is just lovely. The last bzmatch before I *DIE* and nobody comes. |
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| 03:26.56 | Winny | ~lart Jeff's spelling |
| 03:26.56 | ibot | beats Jeff's spelling into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 03:34.13 | Eliott | hey Winny , did not you say that you wrote a howto build from scratch ? |
| 03:34.20 | Winny | nope |
| 03:34.39 | Eliott | once I have the .exe, i have a ton of messages about hte fonts missings, and stuff like that. i tried to copy then all in the same folder, but it still not working .. |
| 03:38.58 | blast007 | Eliott: you need the whole data directory in the same directory as the .exe |
| 03:42.35 | Eliott | blast007, I tried that I think... will try again |
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| 04:11.14 | blast007 | weee.... |
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| 05:40.02 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16616 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (templates/email_upload.tpl upload.php): |
| 05:40.02 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: If the database query for inserting a new upload to the database fails, don't kill the script. Instead, add an error message and mark it invalid. |
| 05:40.02 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Generate the email content to notify moderators of new pending images. |
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| 06:05.21 | Constitution | someone's using bzbb uploads as in-game textures again |
| 06:05.32 | JeffM | wh? |
| 06:05.34 | JeffM | who? |
| 06:05.44 | Constitution | R3laX, afaict |
| 06:05.57 | Constitution | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/files/stripes_702.png and http://my.bzflag.org/bb/files/the_dark_side_751.png |
| 06:06.20 | JeffM | they attacmhements in some thread? |
| 06:07.01 | Constitution | I guess... finally got ahold of him on his server... discussing it with him now |
| 06:07.14 | JeffM | we don't expressly forbid it |
| 06:07.22 | JeffM | but it will not work with 3.0 |
| 06:07.31 | Constitution | oh |
| 06:08.25 | L4m3r | it can't be good for the server load tho :\ |
| 06:08.38 | L4m3r | not that it's a huge issue anymore |
| 06:08.54 | JeffM | if they were hosted on images.bzflag.org, it'd be the same load ;) |
| 06:09.01 | L4m3r | oh, nevermind then |
| 06:09.11 | JeffM | more then likely also the images will MOVE when we upgrade phpbb |
| 06:09.13 | L4m3r | phpBB doesn't store them in the db |
| 06:09.16 | JeffM | no |
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| 06:09.40 | Constitution | blast007 and I were discussing using an apache conf option to filter out the bzflag client from downloading from the bzbb directory |
| 06:09.47 | Constitution | not that it's a big deal |
| 06:09.56 | Constitution | but stuff can slip through |
| 06:09.59 | L4m3r | well, it does seem like a deliberate attempt to push things through without letting us moderate |
| 06:10.04 | JeffM | make sure the referer is from bzbb? |
| 06:10.14 | L4m3r | so I guess it depends on what his intention was |
| 06:10.16 | JeffM | L4m3r: we moderate bzbb |
| 06:10.25 | Constitution | JeffM: user agent check |
| 06:10.31 | JeffM | but yes, this is one of many reasons for the change in 3.0 |
| 06:10.46 | L4m3r | yes, but could he have attached them to a PM? |
| 06:10.55 | JeffM | dunno |
| 06:11.10 | JeffM | Constitution: it will block some but not all, do it. some is better then none |
| 06:11.16 | L4m3r | IMO it's all about intent |
| 06:11.27 | L4m3r | if he found the pics there and was lazy about it, whatever |
| 06:11.31 | JeffM | tjat |
| 06:11.39 | JeffM | that's the probable reason for this one |
| 06:11.43 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 06:12.09 | JeffM | but no mater what, that is not going to be a valid URL forever |
| 06:12.22 | L4m3r | "Never attribute to malice that which can easily be attributed to incompetence" :P |
| 06:13.24 | L4m3r | does the client allow dynamic URLs? |
| 06:13.33 | JeffM | a url is a url |
| 06:13.47 | JeffM | it will ask the server for that resource and the server will or will not return it |
| 06:13.52 | JeffM | HTTP is a very simple protocoll |
| 06:14.52 | L4m3r | well, perhaps the client should not download URLs containing ?, for instance |
| 06:15.00 | blast007 | why? |
| 06:15.09 | JeffM | the URL change will do what we need it to do |
| 06:15.12 | L4m3r | or make it an option in the download access |
| 06:15.25 | JeffM | and yeah, why prevent use from using something besides files later |
| 06:15.35 | blast007 | L4m3r: I guess I don't understand what you're referring to |
| 06:15.49 | JeffM | if you are going to change the software, the limiting URL change is good enough |
| 06:15.55 | L4m3r | blast007: http://somedomain.bzflag.org/proxy.php?img=http://goatse.cx/... |
| 06:16.14 | blast007 | L4m3r: uh, ok? |
| 06:16.21 | JeffM | URL change fixes that |
| 06:16.36 | blast007 | why is that any worse than http://somedomain.bzflag.org/goatse.png ? |
| 06:16.56 | L4m3r | come to think of it... hm... |
| 06:17.11 | L4m3r | use of any dynamically-generated images is a bad idea, because of the cache setup |
| 06:17.26 | JeffM | depends on there use |
| 06:17.51 | blast007 | I still don't understand what you're referring to. was someone using dynamic images? |
| 06:17.51 | JeffM | you may not want them cached |
| 06:17.52 | JeffM | blast007: no just bzbb as an image source |
| 06:18.00 | blast007 | right. |
| 06:18.04 | blast007 | so what is L4m3r talking about? |
| 06:18.12 | L4m3r | just a thought |
| 06:18.17 | JeffM | I think he's just overthinking problems again ;) |
| 06:18.24 | blast007 | a dynamic image doesn't have to have a ? in the URL |
| 06:18.33 | blast007 | hell, I could make it end in a png extension |
| 06:18.42 | L4m3r | blast007: of course not |
| 06:18.43 | JeffM | blast007: do the images move or get put into a db in phpbb3? |
| 06:18.44 | blast007 | I do that already to get a dynamic image on the forum |
| 06:18.57 | blast007 | JeffM: I haven't checked |
| 06:19.04 | blast007 | let me see |
| 06:19.24 | JeffM | and they have some way to prevent direct linking |
| 06:19.29 | L4m3r | well, if they have those URLs, they probably get stashed on the server, and phpbb just references them |
| 06:19.33 | blast007 | still as files |
| 06:19.38 | JeffM | cus I'm sure that's a problem for other systems as well, web commics, etc.. |
| 06:19.40 | blast007 | under the files/ directory |
| 06:19.54 | JeffM | fun |
| 06:19.57 | L4m3r | hotlinking is relatively easy to prevent |
| 06:20.00 | blast007 | JeffM: but we could go with my idea and move to forum.bzflag.org ;) |
| 06:20.12 | blast007 | L4m3r: I don't think the client sends a referrer |
| 06:20.21 | blast007 | since it's not a browser ;) |
| 06:20.23 | JeffM | blast007: dosnt' solve anything, just moves em |
| 06:20.39 | JeffM | not that we shoudl not move to a domain per anyway |
| 06:20.51 | JeffM | and get Tim to turn all current 3rd party bzflag.org domains into bzflag.net |
| 06:21.01 | JeffM | THAT solves more then one problem |
| 06:23.55 | JeffM | do that, and get some sort of anti-hotlink tech in there ( it has to exist, webcommics and geocities have done it for years ) and then we are in a better place. |
| 06:25.55 | L4m3r | blast007: good point : |
| 06:25.58 | L4m3r | :\ |
| 06:26.18 | L4m3r | tho we could fix that for 3.0 |
| 06:26.28 | L4m3r | or just allow "no referrer" |
| 06:26.54 | blast007 | L4m3r: we could block the 'curl' user agent from downloading stuff from the files/ directory |
| 06:27.08 | blast007 | assuming that the client sends that user agent |
| 06:29.20 | L4m3r | well, if the client doesn't send a referrer, can't we just say no? |
| 06:29.33 | L4m3r | I'm pretty sure that's how existing mechanisms work |
| 06:29.55 | blast007 | heh, apparently it doesn't send a user-agent.. just a "-" shows up in my access log |
| 06:31.00 | blast007 | doesn't send a referrer either |
| 06:31.22 | blast007 | L4m3r: I'd be more apt to block based on a blank user agent instead of a blank referer |
| 06:31.41 | blast007 | some people run plugins/extensions/browsers that conceal or fake the referer |
| 06:31.53 | L4m3r | heh |
| 06:32.07 | blast007 | even links has an option to blank the referer |
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| 07:12.54 | awilcox | blast007: I used .htaccess to prevent hotlinking |
| 07:13.29 | awilcox | well, mine was more (don't remember exact syntax) if referrer & "myspace" then include no_copyvio.png |
| 07:13.50 | awilcox | and no_copyvio.png was the red (C) from Wikipedia that they use in the fair use templates :P |
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| 07:57.25 | awilcox | UGH |
| 07:57.38 | awilcox | okay so I'm play bz...getting 13fps, good for my RADEON 7000... |
| 07:57.51 | awilcox | all of a sudden, the computer starts to 'miss' |
| 07:58.10 | awilcox | the "time" thing read 71ms, then 400ms, then 50ms, then 300ms, in fact it once hit 4000ms |
| 07:58.37 | awilcox | obviously it's very difficult to run the BZlympics (or even drive a tank) like this. |
| 07:58.45 | awilcox | Any ideas on why it would be doing this? |
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| 14:30.43 | whodaman- | ~ping |
| 14:30.44 | ibot | pong |
| 14:34.43 | ts | uso: Looks like bzf 5155 crashed. May you restart please? |
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| 15:02.03 | a_temp_dist | having trouble logging into BZBB |
| 15:03.28 | a_temp_dist | didn't work with safari, but does now with firefox - nevermind |
| 15:05.41 | whodaman- | a_temp_dist, clear your cache |
| 15:06.20 | a_temp_dist | *cough* |
| 15:06.43 | blast007 | Install Windows. |
| 15:07.00 | ts | Eeek |
| 15:07.19 | a_temp_dist | 'this site works best with IE', eh? |
| 15:07.25 | whodaman- | lol... |
| 15:08.05 | blast007 | 'this site works ONLY with IE' |
| 15:08.28 | blast007 | I've had some sites use VBScript.... |
| 15:08.48 | blast007 | nice job limiting your website to one browser for no reason.. |
| 15:10.22 | ts | IE is not a browser, it's a collection of bugs |
| 15:13.01 | blast007 | hehe |
| 15:13.43 | ts | Windows are really nie, just the Windows is ugg ;) |
| 15:30.26 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16617 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (9 files in 4 dirs): |
| 15:30.26 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Don't store the licenseid in the database. Instead, store the name and URL for our predefined licenses. License choices may change. |
| 15:30.26 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Rename the database field licensebody to licensetext to match the rest of the references. |
| 15:30.26 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: When uploading an image with an Other OSI-Approved License, tag the license name with an asterisk. |
| 15:30.27 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: When displaying images in the queue with an Other OSI-Approved License, replace the asterisk with [Other]. |
| 15:31.12 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16618 10/trunk/web/submitimages/templates/queue.tpl: s/Custom License/License/ |
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| 16:00.59 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16619 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 16:00.59 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Create a generic doPopup function in util.js. |
| 16:00.59 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: s/licensebody/licensetext/ |
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| 16:53.25 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16620 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Add a language selector to the top of the page. Store the selected language in a cookie. |
| 16:54.44 | brlcad | mmm.. cookies |
| 16:56.43 | blast007 | brlcad: did you see my response re: that SDL_VIDEO variable? |
| 16:57.14 | blast007 | didn't work even after I set that shell variable |
| 16:58.16 | blast007 | Could not set Video Mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual. |
| 16:58.16 | blast007 | ERROR: Unable to initialize an OpenGL renderer |
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| 17:02.00 | Gilly | brlcad: there are some design issues in bzrobots... namely sending the current shots to the frontend |
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| 17:03.02 | Gilly | i started the work by basically sending the stuff in the FireInfo of the shot and I think it might be enough... however sending the shooter gets tricky because the player replies use callsign and i don't get the playerids to the frontend atm. |
| 17:03.22 | Gilly | also using the callsign in the player replies should be investigated because i'm not sure if it handles spaces in callsigns |
| 17:06.26 | whodaman | nice.. |
| 17:06.33 | whodaman | Server crashed |
| 17:06.34 | whodaman | hm |
| 17:09.05 | whodaman | gaah |
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| 17:46.28 | JeffM | some kind of alien, waits for the opening and simply pulls a string. love comes walking in... |
| 17:50.07 | rtfm | well that's fun... my server is not responding... |
| 17:50.35 | JeffM | reboot |
| 17:50.43 | whodaman | rtfm, neither is bzflagr.net/fairserve.net :p |
| 17:51.11 | rtfm | JeffM: I'm assuming a network issue |
| 17:51.20 | rtfm | so I'm not going to reboot yet ;) |
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| 18:03.36 | rtfm | Gilly: technically, the bots shouldn't need to know *who* the bullets belong to, right? |
| 18:05.29 | JeffM | TimRiker, in the mood for a radical idea? ;) |
| 18:07.53 | Gilly | rtfm: hmm, yes and no, it would be useful to know if they are yours on no rico servers because it would simplify things (no need to check if they could hit us) |
| 18:08.19 | Gilly | also an evil bot could decide he won't give points to some certain player and die from someone else's bullets instead :D |
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| 18:41.07 | TimRiker | JeffM: that depends on the idea. |
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| 18:46.45 | JeffM | TimRiker, turn all the 3rd party *.bzflag.org domains you've given out into *.bzflag.net domains |
| 18:47.39 | JeffM | gets us around a big part of the images problem, and can fix some cookie issues |
| 18:47.49 | JeffM | basicly keep .org for offical, and .net for users |
| 18:49.07 | JeffM | I understand that the transition could be "ucky" but I think in the long run it affords us the most options. |
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| 19:15.57 | Gilly | This shot stuff really is complicated :P I mean... to write good bots in the future we'd have to be able to simulate the shot's course in the frontend, with ricos and stuff. Thus we'd have to either 1) transfer the full shotstrategy to the frontend or 2) reconstruct it there or 3) make our own simulation code in the frontend (or let bot creator do it) and send just the needed info for it |
| 19:16.22 | JeffM | the code is there for it |
| 19:16.28 | JeffM | but that's why I wanted to do bots on the server |
| 19:16.34 | JeffM | since the server would have to track the bot anyway |
| 19:16.38 | JeffM | track the shot anyway |
| 19:17.37 | JeffM | but yeah for a client side bot, it has to have all the client code ;) |
| 19:17.40 | Gilly | oh but that's not so fun... we like to be able to send our own bots to public servers I guess (if the server owners let us) |
| 19:17.54 | JeffM | I know |
| 19:17.58 | JeffM | there are multiple uses for bots |
| 19:18.21 | JeffM | but yeah, you'll have to have a copy of the shot strat |
| 19:18.23 | Gilly | yes it does need the code... and now since it is divided to backend and frontend where backend has all the client code but has to deliver the stuff into the bot. |
| 19:18.30 | JeffM | that's why we wanted all that to go into libGame |
| 19:18.35 | JeffM | so it could be used anywhere |
| 19:18.50 | JeffM | then your backend should track it |
| 19:18.59 | JeffM | and the frontend can ask for projected paths |
| 19:19.15 | Gilly | yes, it already tracks it so maybe that would be the best option |
| 19:20.10 | Gilly | the thing is just that we want to keep the thing simple for the bot writer too, so we got to decide if we copy the shotpath as it is and make some helper functions or make our own wrappers and copy straight to them |
| 19:20.37 | JeffM | it's called making an API ;) |
| 19:20.44 | Gilly | that's true :) |
| 19:20.58 | JeffM | Good APIs generaly don't expose the low level data |
| 19:21.11 | JeffM | they give you methods to work with the data using the backends native code |
| 19:21.13 | Gilly | yea... |
| 19:21.18 | JeffM | that way if the backend changes, the API does not |
| 19:22.54 | Gilly | well, what we would need is: - the shots with their paths, - a way to tell where the shot is in x seconds (this info can be read from the path i guess), - the shooter of the shot, - what else? |
| 19:23.09 | JeffM | you don't need the path |
| 19:23.22 | JeffM | you just need a method to say "where will the shot be in XXX seconds" |
| 19:23.22 | Gilly | oh that's true, i can leave it to the backend ;) |
| 19:23.34 | JeffM | or "will the shot hit this volume" |
| 19:23.47 | JeffM | and why do you care about the shot owner? |
| 19:23.51 | JeffM | a player does NOT know that |
| 19:24.01 | Gilly | um he does |
| 19:24.06 | Gilly | he knows at least his own shots |
| 19:24.07 | JeffM | he infers |
| 19:24.12 | JeffM | sure, your own shots |
| 19:24.14 | JeffM | but not others |
| 19:24.18 | Gilly | and if he has colored shots he knows the team right? |
| 19:24.24 | JeffM | you do not know what player shot a shot at you |
| 19:24.24 | JeffM | sure |
| 19:24.33 | JeffM | but why would the bot Ever want to be shot? |
| 19:24.59 | Gilly | oh he wouldn't but on some servers you get blown up if a teamy hits you for example |
| 19:25.15 | Gilly | so if the bot gets to choose between teamy or enemy shot he could choose the enemy one |
| 19:25.17 | JeffM | all the more reason to avoid all shots ;) |
| 19:25.36 | JeffM | well you can put all that as accessors based on the shotID |
| 19:25.41 | Gilly | yes. |
| 19:25.55 | Gilly | we need a list of getShots which will return the shot ids currently on field |
| 19:26.03 | JeffM | the other reason for not giving out the path is that we may update the path in 3.0 |
| 19:26.09 | Gilly | *a function called getShots |
| 19:26.19 | JeffM | you probalby need more then one getShots |
| 19:26.32 | JeffM | one for all, one for in a volume, one for in a radius, etc.. |
| 19:26.53 | Gilly | oh, i'd like to get the shots and then have those functions defined for individual shots |
| 19:27.07 | JeffM | do both |
| 19:27.08 | Gilly | like getShotX(shotId) |
| 19:27.21 | JeffM | just because you want to program something one way dosn't mean everyone wants to do it one way |
| 19:27.30 | JeffM | it may be slow to get all shots and query them indivitual |
| 19:27.46 | JeffM | where it could be very fast to let the client's octree sort shots in a volume for you |
| 19:27.49 | JeffM | and just return those IDs |
| 19:27.59 | JeffM | so you do more then one accessor |
| 19:28.02 | Gilly | well, I'll start with general getShots and stuff for individual shots |
| 19:28.11 | JeffM | a good place to start |
| 19:28.14 | Gilly | what is octree? |
| 19:28.22 | JeffM | our visability system |
| 19:28.28 | Gilly | ah |
| 19:28.32 | JeffM | it allows us to quicly see what is in a 3d volume |
| 19:29.02 | Gilly | so you when ask for "shots in a volume" do you mean the shots in the visible area of the tank? |
| 19:29.15 | JeffM | that could be one volume |
| 19:29.24 | Gilly | but you can define others, i see, ok. |
| 19:29.25 | JeffM | but that would not be the only volume |
| 19:29.27 | JeffM | sure |
| 19:30.00 | Gilly | well thanks for you insightful ideas, i'll get coding :P |
| 19:30.07 | JeffM | have fun |
| 19:31.21 | Gilly | in ShotUpdate there's id but it's only per player, right? So I got to combine the player id and shot id to make an unique id? |
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| 20:23.13 | iWinny | sorry about the nick flopping |
| 20:23.17 | iWinny | changing my password(s) |
| 20:24.05 | whodaman | KyleVE, extra client... |
| 20:25.49 | awilcox | O_o |
| 20:26.12 | awilcox | Winny: I have 9 registered nicks with my hostmask, should I change my password now? |
| 20:26.16 | awilcox | :P |
| 20:26.23 | Winny | awilcox, difference |
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| 21:05.54 | JeffM | Gilly, yes, you can make it into a long if you want, with the playerID being the high short |
| 21:06.07 | JeffM | at a later date we may assign server GUIDs to all shots |
| 21:22.40 | Gilly | JeffM, brlcad, jorgenpt: I wrote down some design issues/ideas on shots and players here: http://btw.blobtrox.net/~btw/bzrobots_design_stuff |
| 21:23.05 | JeffM | Gilly, you know we have a wiki right? |
| 21:23.40 | Gilly | I would have assumed so but didn't consider it since this is so unorganized and I'm just using that as basis for IRC conversation. |
| 21:24.03 | JeffM | yeah but you can't have others colaborate on it if it's a text file on your website ;) |
| 21:24.32 | Gilly | well, i just didn't feel like i'd go on typing it all here |
| 21:24.53 | JeffM | and yes you should have a call to the back end for each method. Trying t combine it all into one coomon interface only makes it more ugly. |
| 21:25.02 | JeffM | that's what he wiki is for |
| 21:25.07 | JeffM | typing it up in a document is good |
| 21:25.18 | JeffM | we use the wiki for design docs |
| 21:25.23 | Gilly | okies :) |
| 21:25.34 | JeffM | there is even a category for it |
| 21:25.39 | Gilly | does it understand that format I used? (It's almost reStructuredText) |
| 21:25.58 | JeffM | I'm sure you can make it work |
| 21:26.02 | JeffM | it's not that complex |
| 21:26.12 | JeffM | just if it's on a wiki others can add to the plan |
| 21:26.20 | JeffM | colaboration == good thing |
| 21:26.23 | TimRiker | JeffM: what is the point in a b.net domain then? just a nice name to type? |
| 21:26.29 | JeffM | TimRiker, yes |
| 21:26.37 | JeffM | and it's bzflagy |
| 21:26.42 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 21:26.53 | JeffM | and it's still kind that you host the name for those that don't have it, etc.. |
| 21:27.00 | TimRiker | are there b.o systems today that have image issues? |
| 21:27.01 | JeffM | it just seperates it from offical sites |
| 21:27.10 | JeffM | no, but you had mentioned it once |
| 21:27.25 | JeffM | so blast and I have have bene pondering solutions |
| 21:27.31 | TimRiker | what's the cookie concern? |
| 21:27.45 | JeffM | anyone with a bzflag.org domain could use a domain cookie |
| 21:27.47 | Gilly | does wiki have separate accounts or do i already have fun (via my.bzflag forums or sourceforge) ? |
| 21:27.54 | Gilly | *one |
| 21:28.03 | TimRiker | JeffM: ah. ic. |
| 21:28.31 | TimRiker | some of them, like the league sites, that might be a good thing, and for others, it's not. |
| 21:29.36 | JeffM | indeed |
| 21:29.42 | JeffM | thats why I figured a seperataion |
| 21:31.13 | JeffM | ones that are good things, we give .org, ones that are not, we give .net |
| 21:31.22 | JeffM | tis just an idea |
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| 21:32.35 | TimRiker | heh. and who decides what's a "good thing" and what's not? hmmm. |
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| 21:32.54 | JeffM | indeed |
| 21:32.58 | TimRiker | I'm open to dns changes if we can figure out what we really want to do with them. |
| 21:33.01 | JeffM | but I'd think you/porject admins |
| 21:33.10 | JeffM | ok,well that's something |
| 21:33.30 | TimRiker | could also have foo.unofficial.bzflag.org or something (shorter?) like that. |
| 21:33.51 | TimRiker | but the cookie issue still applies there. |
| 21:34.05 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:34.09 | JeffM | that would e thar issue |
| 21:34.20 | JeffM | and there is a way to gank somone'es cookie as I was told |
| 21:34.37 | JeffM | it was complex but possibler |
| 21:34.40 | JeffM | possible |
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| 21:38.23 | Ride | hello |
| 21:38.30 | JeffM | hello |
| 21:38.33 | Winny | boo |
| 21:38.39 | JeffM | Winny, be nice |
| 21:38.43 | Ride | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :O |
| 21:38.56 | Winny | JeffM, sorry |
| 21:38.56 | Ride | :D |
| 21:39.06 | Gilly | Ok, http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZRobots/ShotsAndEnemies :P |
| 21:39.22 | Ride | what is that |
| 21:39.23 | JeffM | Gilly, very nice |
| 21:39.54 | JeffM | Gilly, we have a design doc template, but I don't recall what it is called |
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| 21:40.29 | Gilly | ok :) |
| 21:40.56 | JeffM | the cool thing is now others can add/comment on it |
| 21:41.02 | JeffM | even if you happen to be offline :) |
| 21:41.08 | Gilly | the only thing i'm worried about going the way outlined in the document is that will many small packets instead of fewer big packets be slower? |
| 21:41.23 | JeffM | meh |
| 21:41.31 | Gilly | communication between frontend and backend go on TCP |
| 21:41.42 | JeffM | 99.9% of the time you are ether going to be on the same machine, or on a fast lan |
| 21:41.46 | JeffM | so it'll be fine |
| 21:42.03 | JeffM | I'm not a fan of the TCP method |
| 21:42.05 | JeffM | I understand why |
| 21:42.12 | JeffM | but I dont' think it was meant for internet transport |
| 21:42.22 | JeffM | so we can assume high bandwith and low latency |
| 21:42.41 | Gilly | well the thing is that i'm still experiencing packets spending as much as 1ms time |
| 21:42.45 | Gilly | um no more |
| 21:42.52 | Gilly | i meant 0.01 s :P |
| 21:43.02 | JeffM | one reason I do not like the TCP method ;) |
| 21:43.17 | JeffM | there is no way to know untill it's implemented and tested |
| 21:43.17 | Gilly | not individual packets but sending a request and receiving an answer |
| 21:43.21 | JeffM | I'd say start with multiple packets |
| 21:43.30 | JeffM | if it's too slow, add a common query as well |
| 21:43.39 | JeffM | then we can just swap |
| 21:43.41 | jftsang | is it possible to build BZRobots on Windows? |
| 21:43.49 | JeffM | nothing says you have to get it right the first time |
| 21:43.51 | JeffM | jftsang, nope |
| 21:43.55 | Gilly | well i think the problem might be with the playingloop in backend which only does one read per loop on the socket |
| 21:44.32 | JeffM | Gilly,maybe. start wtih what is fastest to implemnt then refactor later |
| 21:44.38 | Gilly | yea :P |
| 21:45.45 | Gilly | hmm, i could send the shot id in a real combination of player id and shot id to a long or both things individually which could be more friendly in some circumstances |
| 21:45.58 | Gilly | (getShooter would be simply "return playerid") |
| 21:46.09 | Gilly | not some AND mask + shift |
| 21:54.17 | JeffM | Gilly, the combo woudl be best, we may use a similar shot ID on the server as well at some later date |
| 21:54.21 | JeffM | so then you'd be compatable |
| 21:56.21 | JeffM | but also please understand that I could also be talking out of my butt :) |
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| 21:57.24 | Winny | TD-Linux: boo |
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| 22:08.48 | jftsang | hm. any particular reason why people can't access my server from the outside? I've opened up port 5154 on my router |
| 22:09.05 | a_meteorite | is it behind a router? |
| 22:09.11 | a_meteorite | oh, wait, I just reread that |
| 22:09.17 | JeffM | the simple answer, is the port is blocked |
| 22:09.25 | a_meteorite | did you forward the port on your router? it has to be forwarded to the computer |
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| 22:09.40 | JeffM | now the complex answer is that you probalby have more then one place it's blocked at ;) |
| 22:09.50 | a_meteorite | heh, yeah, it could be blocked at the computer too |
| 22:09.58 | JeffM | or the ISP |
| 22:10.01 | jftsang | it's forwarding |
| 22:10.13 | jftsang | and I recall at one stage I managed to have a server |
| 22:10.20 | JeffM | does the server computer run firewall software? |
| 22:10.20 | jftsang | and now... the same config file |
| 22:10.28 | jftsang | nope |
| 22:10.30 | a_meteorite | I've seen ISPs block like port 80, and smtp, but not many other ports.. |
| 22:10.33 | jftsang | (it should) |
| 22:10.50 | jftsang | AFAIK, my ISP blocks SMTP but not 80 |
| 22:11.14 | JeffM | has your lan IP changed since you set up the forward? |
| 22:11.19 | jftsang | no. |
| 22:11.21 | blast007_nokia | does the server have a dynamic IP address? (sorry if that's been asked) |
| 22:11.28 | a_meteorite | might want to try setting a static dhcp |
| 22:11.29 | jftsang | *enables NAT and tries again* |
| 22:11.33 | a_meteorite | for the future |
| 22:11.47 | jftsang | I do use static DHCP |
| 22:12.12 | blast007_nokia | ... dhcp != static |
| 22:12.56 | jftsang | true.. what am I thinking |
| 22:13.01 | a_meteorite | blast007_nokia: that's what my router calls it |
| 22:13.40 | blast007_nokia | a_meteorite: heh... |
| 22:14.21 | blast007_nokia | it's more like a reservation |
| 22:14.27 | a_meteorite | indeed |
| 22:14.42 | a_meteorite | "This MAC address will always get this LAN address, no other MAC address can get it" |
| 22:14.56 | blast007_nokia | and that's what windows server calls it |
| 22:15.45 | blast007_nokia | I don't use it in case I replace a bad NIC ;) |
| 22:16.38 | a_meteorite | it has it's uses, if you get a new NIC you just get an IP out of the pool and change your MAC on the router :) |
| 22:16.56 | blast007_nokia | I mean at work |
| 22:17.19 | blast007_nokia | "where did the dns server go??" |
| 22:17.21 | JeffM | I love the fact that my router can setup routes based off the machine host name, so no mater where the machine goes the route goes with it :) |
| 22:17.32 | JeffM | as long as all the machines are DHCP |
| 22:17.54 | a_meteorite | that's useful |
| 22:17.58 | JeffM | very |
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| 22:42.21 | mmmm | hello |
| 22:43.07 | brad | hi |
| 22:43.28 | Mitch- | how do i register my name here so i can pm |
| 22:43.34 | Mitch- | :D |
| 22:43.40 | brad | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.13 | Mitch- | sweet ty |
| 22:44.25 | Mitch- | im making a map |
| 22:45.05 | Mitch-mmmm | hehe mmmm is my BZ callsign |
| 22:46.38 | Mitch-mmmm | is ne one on |
| 22:46.47 | Winny | this isn't an IM |
| 22:46.52 | Winny | we're not always all here |
| 22:46.55 | Mitch-mmmm | haha i know |
| 22:48.32 | Constitution | Mitch-mmmm: it is generally not advisable to send your nickserv pass through CGI::IRC relays |
| 22:48.49 | Constitution | I would recommend getting a real client |
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| 22:58.37 | jftsang | does anyone here know of the Logo programming language |
| 22:58.51 | blast007 | I do. or at least did, back in 4th grade |
| 22:59.05 | sigonasr2 | 4th grade? |
| 22:59.21 | JeffM | it is a somewhat of a kids language |
| 22:59.29 | JeffM | why? |
| 22:59.38 | sigonasr2 | I have done plenty in bash jftsang |
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| 22:59.58 | jftsang | I'm more of a Logo/LISP/Prolog programmer |
| 23:00.08 | blast007 | JeffM: and it's even more of a kids language when it involved Legos ;) |
| 23:00.11 | blast007 | Lego Logo ftw |
| 23:00.17 | JeffM | heh |
| 23:00.37 | JeffM | jftsang, the concept of a "pen" dosn't realy work for map objects |
| 23:00.53 | jftsang | yes, but I am not using the turtle :P |
| 23:01.07 | JeffM | then do it in lisp |
| 23:01.49 | blast007 | I'm more apt to say "work on BZWGen instead" ;) |
| 23:02.00 | JeffM | indeed |
| 23:02.24 | blast007 | jftsang: http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/ <--- how's that for a random map generator? ;) |
| 23:02.30 | jftsang | why is it that when people mention Logo, they think pen |
| 23:02.44 | JeffM | because thats what it was first built for ;) |
| 23:02.53 | blast007 | JeffM: I don't think pen. I think legos. |
| 23:02.56 | blast007 | er |
| 23:02.59 | blast007 | jftsang* |
| 23:03.37 | JeffM | it is a teaching language |
| 23:08.43 | Winny | you know you spend too much time on IRC when you see " Boolean ops!", and imagine the user(s) TRUE and FALSE |
| 23:09.03 | sigonasr2 | I still see Boolean ops :P |
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| 23:39.12 | JeffM | when I think of boolean ops I think of CSG |
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