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| 00:19.14 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16591 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: 2.2 is now 3.0. |
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| 01:24.34 | Legolas__ | hello! |
| 01:25.24 | blast007 | hi |
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| 02:13.03 | DrRobotnik | Hello |
| 02:13.10 | DrRobotnik | My server is back up |
| 02:13.27 | DrRobotnik | The moral of the lesson: |
| 02:13.33 | DrRobotnik | The moral of the lesson:The simple things go wrong |
| 02:13.45 | DrRobotnik | The complicated ones dont |
| 02:14.00 | DrRobotnik | Stupid Port fowarding |
| 02:14.14 | blast007 | real servers don't have that problem |
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| 02:34.27 | F687s | blast007: delayed heh |
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| 02:34.37 | Winny | Legolas_: why all the rejoins....? |
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| 02:39.22 | Winny | ... |
| 02:39.26 | a_meteorite | wow |
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| 02:56.21 | blast007 | ~lart Legolas__ |
| 02:56.21 | ibot | pours hot grits down the front of Legolas__'s pants |
| 02:56.33 | Winny | \o/ |
| 02:57.09 | blast007 | he's got two clients running, and then he's got a flaky connection... |
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| 03:06.05 | Winny | sheesh |
| 03:06.10 | Winny | lots of connection issues today |
| 03:09.15 | blast007 | teh interweb iz colapsing! |
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| 03:29.41 | F687s | It wasn't me! |
| 03:30.48 | blast007 | F687s: that's what they always say, as they unplug the internets. |
| 03:31.16 | F687s | As far as I recall, I've only broken BZFlag a few times. Not the entire internet. |
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| 03:31.40 | a_meteorite | breaking into the local IXP and unplugging random cables is always fun |
| 03:33.08 | a_meteorite | cause you know they'll never find their way through this to find out what got unplugged! http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2277/2180039413_f54b142ff4_o.jpg |
| 03:34.57 | blast007 | "Cut the yellow wire!" "They're ALL YELLOW!" |
| 03:35.07 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 03:39.33 | F687s | heh, hmm... |
| 03:40.46 | F687s | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20020109&mode=classic |
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| 04:55.35 | omgparticle | Tthink it would be possible to port virtualbox to the iphone? (snowballs chance in hell, really hard, or moderate difficulty?) |
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| 04:57.55 | omgparticle | also, ? - what step through debuggers or ide's are you using? |
| 04:58.20 | omgparticle | I happen to be on mac osx |
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| 04:59.26 | omgparticle | Hell, lol |
| 04:59.38 | omgparticle | thought I was on the vbox-dev channel |
| 04:59.41 | omgparticle | sorry |
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| 05:49.49 | blast007 | hi lan56 |
| 05:54.13 | lan56 | hey blast!! |
| 05:54.17 | lan56 | how are you? |
| 05:54.36 | blast007 | doing good, you? |
| 05:55.42 | lan56 | just fine. been playing bz a lot lately, after a long break. the only problem is I am still flat out of ideas for programming the game, but oh well, it's still a fun game, you know? |
| 05:55.56 | lan56 | have you been up to any programming lately? |
| 05:56.18 | blast007 | yeah |
| 05:56.26 | blast007 | mostly web stuff |
| 05:56.46 | lan56 | oh cool |
| 05:57.14 | blast007 | mostly this recently: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/web/submitimages/ |
| 05:58.21 | lan56 | is that an image uploading site? |
| 05:58.37 | blast007 | a rewrite of the one currently in use |
| 05:58.48 | lan56 | I didn't even know there is one in use |
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| 05:59.01 | lan56 | or do you mean for bzbb? |
| 05:59.13 | blast007 | no, for map texture hosting |
| 05:59.17 | blast007 | current one: http://images.bzflag.org/submitimages/ |
| 05:59.55 | lan56 | oh that is cool, I am sure that gets used a lot |
| 06:00.13 | blast007 | my temporary demo of the rewrite: http://images.bzexcess.com/submitimages/ |
| 06:00.46 | lan56 | wow the new one looks a lot better |
| 06:00.48 | lan56 | I like the logo |
| 06:01.22 | lan56 | terms of service look pretty thorough |
| 06:01.26 | blast007 | heh, I rendered that with some lame GUI interface to POV-Ray ;) |
| 06:01.29 | lan56 | *not a lawyer though* :) |
| 06:01.35 | lan56 | hah |
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| 07:18.09 | brlcad | blast007: how about some means for a moderator to browse through existing images in the database and manage them (maybe minimally just the ability to delete images already approved and/or users) |
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| 09:26.04 | brlcad | blast007: also, would be useful to see the user's e-mail in the moderation queue so they can be contacted before accepting/rejecting in case there are questions |
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| 09:55.47 | think_tank | someone can answer this later on today: The entry "* implement one way cross server teleporters" under the BZFlag to do list, is the concept you enter a tele on one server and come out a tele on another server? |
| 10:03.52 | Gilly | dunno - that would be funny :) though it raises a lot of problematic questions, i guess... |
| 10:05.38 | think_tank | "cross server" to me implies different servers, not different maps within the same server, which would be easier to implement (as far as perms) |
| 10:08.05 | think_tank | i can't see it being an instantaneous transfer either. there would likely be a delay for re-auth, texture loading, and perhaps sending some data along with the tank from one server to the next |
| 10:12.50 | Gilly | yes |
| 10:13.51 | Gilly | Why in obstacles are the variables driveThrough and shootThrough of type unsigned char and not bool? |
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| 11:09.53 | macsforme | think_tank: that concept has basically be rejected, I think |
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| 11:37.22 | Teppic | unsigned char < is that a real data type? |
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| 13:14.06 | rtfm | think_tank: a better way would be having different areas on a single bzfs instance |
| 13:14.18 | rtfm | and have the teleporters go between areas |
| 13:14.43 | rtfm | and players in an area only receive updates for players in that same area |
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| 14:15.06 | Mr_Burns | I just noticed an unexpected feature... |
| 14:16.05 | Mr_Burns | I was on a map with a large, slow SW radius and teleported from a point outside the SW to a point inside. I was killed upon materialising inside. |
| 14:17.57 | AHA | that is not unexpected |
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| 15:13.28 | Ride | hello |
| 15:13.54 | Ride | ne one know how i can post my finished map on the forums |
| 15:14.21 | Ride | ? |
| 15:14.24 | Ride | neone |
| 15:14.39 | brlcad | be patient for a response |
| 15:14.46 | Ride | lol |
| 15:15.45 | Ride | well ill try to figure it out by myself |
| 15:15.48 | Ride | cya |
| 15:15.58 | Winny | If you would like to be taken seriously, please take the time to type properly... if you don't take the time to type it, why should we take the time to anwser it? |
| 15:16.25 | brlcad | Ride: see the Map Releases forum |
| 15:16.34 | Ride | i did i asked if anyone new how i could post my map on the foroums |
| 15:16.43 | brlcad | when you post, there is an "Add an Attachment" button |
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| 15:27.05 | Teppic | If I patch an app, so now it needs to link to a new library, how do I update the makefile? |
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| 16:09.25 | Gilly | Teppic: unsigned char is a very real datatype (unless you are asking if it holds 'real numbers')... but why use unsigned char on those two obstacle properties, (shootThrough and driveThrough), that i don't know. |
| 17:11.32 | Teppic | Gilly: Some research done, hmm, yes, I see, but the question still remains when might one want to use a signed char, its just a byte of data, the signedness of it is, currently, irrelevant to me. |
| 17:14.50 | Teppic | I think it may explain why none of my python sockets to a specific windows app *never* work though. |
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| 17:22.24 | SKGD23 | Hey guys. |
| 17:22.48 | Winny | hello |
| 17:23.03 | SKGD23 | hey guys |
| 17:23.30 | whodaman | Hi |
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| 17:26.21 | SKGD23 | Urgh. |
| 17:27.01 | Winny | Do you have a question? |
| 17:27.23 | SKGD23 | Yeah, I guess |
| 17:28.37 | SKGD23 | How can I use Pidgin (Pidgin.im) as a IRC client? It keeps saying 'unable to join IRC server' |
| 17:30.16 | Winny | joining irc.freenode.net? |
| 17:30.52 | SKGD23 | Yep. |
| 17:32.11 | Winny | #pidgin ? |
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| 18:07.33 | Winny | JeffM, did you ever get your server/ |
| 18:07.36 | Winny | ?* |
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| 18:14.29 | JeffM | Winny: yeah |
| 18:14.56 | JeffM | http://mirkwood.opencombat.net/ |
| 18:15.09 | Winny | sagonet? |
| 18:15.19 | JeffM | yep |
| 18:15.28 | Winny | :) |
| 18:15.56 | JeffM | it's even hosting a bzfs |
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| 18:16.11 | Ride | hey guys i got my map posted |
| 18:16.16 | JeffM | cool |
| 18:16.24 | Ride | along with pics from test simulator |
| 18:16.40 | Ride | and i got all flag zones set too |
| 18:16.45 | Ride | !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:17.16 | Ride | g2g check it out and tell me if you like it |
| 18:17.36 | JeffM | you may want to say what the server name and port is... |
| 18:17.43 | Ride | what |
| 18:17.50 | JeffM | well |
| 18:17.54 | Ride | it was local test simulator |
| 18:17.55 | JeffM | there are over 200 servers |
| 18:18.04 | JeffM | how do we know what one is yours if you want people to check it out? |
| 18:18.08 | Ride | g2g |
| 18:18.15 | whodaman | JeffM, nice (referring to the server) |
| 18:18.19 | Ride | there is pics |
| 18:18.22 | Ride | g2g |
| 18:18.26 | JeffM | Ride: where? |
| 18:18.32 | Ride | on the forums |
| 18:18.37 | JeffM | if you have to go, fine, but don't expect people to read your mind |
| 18:18.39 | Ride | its all posted |
| 18:18.39 | JeffM | geez |
| 18:18.48 | Ride | lol :) cya |
| 18:19.00 | JeffM | are you like 10? |
| 18:19.05 | Ride | nope |
| 18:19.09 | JeffM | 12 |
| 18:19.21 | Ride | look i have to go bye (i am 15) |
| 18:19.26 | JeffM | then go |
| 18:20.10 | Gilly | :) |
| 18:20.18 | Winny | well, I'm glad we know that he postd a map now |
| 18:20.25 | Winny | I was going to collapse if I hadn't of found it out |
| 18:20.37 | Gilly | he's so enthusiastic - don't mork him :D |
| 18:20.52 | Winny | heh |
| 18:20.54 | JeffM | mork? |
| 18:21.14 | Gilly | heh, i just realised there's no such a word :P |
| 18:21.40 | JeffM | it's the name of a character robin williams played in a late 70's sitcom ( maybe very earyly 80s ) |
| 18:21.51 | Gilly | heh :) |
| 18:21.54 | Winny | mork and mindy? |
| 18:21.59 | JeffM | indeed |
| 18:22.18 | Gilly | In finnish "morkata" is a verb and means like "to tease verbally" |
| 18:22.33 | JeffM | mock is the term you mean |
| 18:22.36 | Gilly | yes :P |
| 18:22.48 | JeffM | and it was not teasing, he was just not being understandable |
| 18:23.21 | Gilly | but i think mork is fine too :D I could start using it... It resembles the word "dork". |
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| 18:33.03 | Eliott | hi all |
| 18:33.38 | Eliott | is it possible to -easily- compile bzflag with vc++ 2008 ? |
| 18:34.12 | Eliott | I tried with Dev-C++ but it ask for Gnu Make, that I can't find for Windows .. |
| 18:34.52 | JeffM | depends what version of BZ you are talking about |
| 18:35.03 | JeffM | 2.99 ( what will be 3.0 ) yeah prety easy |
| 18:35.11 | JeffM | 2.0.x it shoudl work with some tweaks |
| 18:35.33 | JeffM | that reminds me I wanted to try building branch on vc9 today |
| 18:36.12 | Eliott | where is 2.99 ? I thought the current one was 2.0.10 |
| 18:36.38 | JeffM | the current is 2.0.10 |
| 18:36.47 | JeffM | 2.99.x is the development version for 3.0 |
| 18:36.52 | Eliott | oh |
| 18:36.54 | Eliott | ok |
| 18:36.56 | JeffM | it is incompatable with any 2.x.x release |
| 18:37.01 | Eliott | no big deal |
| 18:37.11 | JeffM | you can't play on the same servers |
| 18:37.12 | Eliott | I just want to practice compiling and play here and there with the sources |
| 18:37.16 | Eliott | yeah, it s ok |
| 18:37.19 | JeffM | then you get it from svn |
| 18:37.37 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jannejun * r16592 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (8 files): |
| 18:37.37 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: - Added GetObstacles -request and accompanying replies: ObstaclesBeginReply and ObstacleReply |
| 18:37.37 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: - Added parsing of int type to MessageUtilities |
| 18:37.37 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: - Added registering of Death -event to RCMessageFactory |
| 18:37.37 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: - Added GetObstacles -function to BZAdvancedRobot |
| 18:37.38 | JeffM | http://www.bzflag.org |
| 18:37.44 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.15 | JeffM | there is a MSVC dir and in there is a VC9 dir, that has the projects for VC .net 2008 |
| 18:38.24 | Winny | JeffM, I have a strange idea for the title image, more of a novelty.. what about having two title images, one that displays during the day, and one during the night? |
| 18:38.37 | JeffM | meh |
| 18:38.42 | JeffM | more complexity then it's worth |
| 18:38.43 | Gilly | I started adding the obstacle stuff to bzrobots as can be seen.. :) would be nice if someone looked at the code. |
| 18:38.56 | Winny | figured :p |
| 18:39.20 | JeffM | I can not build bzrobots so I can not look |
| 18:39.33 | Gilly | you can't? |
| 18:39.37 | JeffM | nope |
| 18:39.39 | JeffM | windows |
| 18:39.41 | Gilly | ah |
| 18:39.49 | JeffM | the code is very much nix only |
| 18:40.12 | Gilly | that might be true :) |
| 18:40.20 | JeffM | not might, is |
| 18:40.52 | Gilly | yea, i don't have personal experience on windows since -95 and back then i was very young so i really don't know how that os works |
| 18:41.17 | JeffM | it can be made to compile on windows, but a lot of stuff will have to change |
| 18:41.27 | JeffM | wraper and glue code, etc.. |
| 18:41.36 | Gilly | i see |
| 18:42.16 | JeffM | you have to tell the compiler what classes and funcitons to export out to other modules, and bzrobts just assumes you can get anything it has |
| 18:42.30 | JeffM | you also can't pass STL across the dll boundry |
| 18:42.59 | Gilly | uhoh |
| 18:43.13 | JeffM | that was one of our failings in SoC, not checking the code enough |
| 18:43.35 | JeffM | and not doing anything during the desing phase |
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| 18:43.53 | Gilly | right |
| 18:44.25 | Gilly | i started inspecting bzrobots only a couple of days ago so i haven't formed the overall picture yet |
| 18:44.31 | Gilly | er |
| 18:44.39 | Gilly | i have formed an overall picture but not very detailed one |
| 18:44.55 | JeffM | fun |
| 18:47.39 | Gilly | yea... i'd like to code a good ducati 1vs1 bot :) |
| 18:47.48 | JeffM | good luck |
| 18:48.21 | Gilly | but then i noticed bzrobots missed a few important things, like you couldn't get a list of the obstacles on the map |
| 18:49.05 | Gilly | now i can, at least for boxes, pyramids, bases and teles, rest is still to be implemented |
| 19:00.06 | Eliott | hey JeffM I got SVN installed on my cygWin .. now, what trunk should I get in order to be able to compile with VC++ 2008 ? |
| 19:00.24 | JeffM | good lord, you used cygwin for something as simple as svn |
| 19:00.31 | JeffM | use tort man |
| 19:00.32 | Eliott | no |
| 19:00.41 | Eliott | I use cygwin for other stuff |
| 19:00.42 | JeffM | cygwin will probably actualy screw up the files |
| 19:00.49 | Eliott | why is that ? |
| 19:01.15 | JeffM | unix line endings |
| 19:01.19 | JeffM | you want windows line endings |
| 19:03.17 | Eliott | damn |
| 19:03.25 | Eliott | so what's tort ? |
| 19:03.29 | blast007 | TortoiseSVN |
| 19:03.46 | JeffM | did you read the wiki page we have on SVN? |
| 19:03.47 | Eliott | ok, got it.. |
| 19:03.51 | JeffM | from the link I pointed you to? |
| 19:04.30 | Eliott | not all the way. when I saw snv on cygwin, i was going to use this one.. but i m going to do it with tort. then .. gimme a little while to install / downlaod and try to compile |
| 19:05.35 | blast007 | technically it should work anyway, but the odds are better with windows line endings |
| 19:05.48 | brlcad | svn under cygwin thinks 'native' is unix line endings? |
| 19:05.49 | blast007 | I know VC6 has issues with line endings, but I thought that was fixed in later versions |
| 19:06.02 | brlcad | the files are marked to checkout as 'native' format, unlike what cvs used to do |
| 19:11.16 | Eliott | gotta reboot |
| 19:11.27 | Eliott | BRB |
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| 19:14.54 | brlcad | Gilly: looks pretty good to me -- only a couple comments .. whether float parse() should also do something with Inf (and why do we need float if there's one for double already), and whether the int parsing should be longs since iirc that is what's used for map bounds |
| 19:16.49 | brlcad | otherwise if float just makes things easier, would probably be more maintainable to have it just call the double parse() and downcast the result |
| 19:18.34 | blast007 | brlcad: saw your comments about the image submitter. I have uploader email portion almost complete. |
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| 19:19.41 | brlcad | cool |
| 19:20.07 | blast007 | I'll have to think about the best way to implement the other thing (managing already uploaded images) |
| 19:21.01 | brlcad | even a simple "master" list of all images on one page with a checkbox would probably suffice for starters |
| 19:22.20 | Eliott | ok.. not sure I understand the tortoise stuff on windows. Anytime I put the url https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/ in my explorer, then Mozilla pops up .. |
| 19:22.28 | Eliott | am i missing somehting ? |
| 19:23.54 | JeffM | no |
| 19:23.58 | JeffM | right click in a folder |
| 19:24.01 | JeffM | and pick SVN checkout |
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| 19:25.00 | Eliott | never mind |
| 19:25.02 | Eliott | yeah |
| 19:25.03 | Eliott | just got it |
| 19:26.29 | Eliott | so with this one , I should be able to use VC++ 2008 express with no headaches ? |
| 19:27.26 | JeffM | you using full VC9 or the express edition? |
| 19:27.47 | Eliott | VC++ 2008 2\express |
| 19:28.05 | Eliott | s/2\\// |
| 19:28.06 | JeffM | did you install the platform SDK, and the DIrectX SDK from april 2007? |
| 19:28.12 | Eliott | nah, nothing yet |
| 19:28.16 | JeffM | you need them |
| 19:28.22 | JeffM | read the readme in the source |
| 19:28.25 | JeffM | it says what you need |
| 19:28.42 | JeffM | once you have those, you can build the debug or release builds, but not the "distrobtuion" targerts |
| 19:28.45 | Eliott | ok. i ll be back in a couple of .. hours .. i guess.. it s going to take me for ever to install 2008 express via this stupid hotel wireless |
| 19:28.49 | JeffM | for those you need pdcurses and glew |
| 19:29.22 | JeffM | if you get a directX SDK AFTER april 2007, you will have to make a mod or 2 to get bz to build |
| 19:29.28 | JeffM | since they pulled dinput.h |
| 19:29.33 | Eliott | hhhaaaaaa damn them |
| 19:29.42 | Eliott | ok, thanks for the info.. i ll give it a shot |
| 19:29.46 | JeffM | well it got rolled into dinput8 |
| 19:29.54 | JeffM | and we haven't build a build target for that yet |
| 19:41.56 | Gilly | brlcad: int parsing is used for obstacle type and if it's a base also for team |
| 19:42.35 | Gilly | brlcad: about float parsing: yes, i think i could modify the float parsing function to use the double parsing function instead |
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| 19:47.03 | Eliott | so JeffM , the SVN at https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/ is the one I want, for VC2008 , right ? |
| 19:47.18 | JeffM | that's trun |
| 19:47.21 | JeffM | 2.99.0 |
| 19:47.30 | JeffM | it has projects for VC7.1 8.0 and 9.0 |
| 19:47.34 | JeffM | you are using VC 9.0 |
| 19:49.11 | Eliott | nah |
| 19:49.18 | Eliott | vc++ 2008 express |
| 19:49.23 | JeffM | yes |
| 19:49.29 | Eliott | hu ? |
| 19:49.31 | JeffM | the compiler VERSION for 2008 is 9.0 |
| 19:49.37 | JeffM | I do know what I am talking about |
| 19:49.41 | Eliott | oh |
| 19:49.42 | Eliott | ok |
| 19:49.42 | JeffM | the marketing name is 2008 |
| 19:49.46 | JeffM | the version is 9.0 |
| 19:49.49 | JeffM | we use the compiler version |
| 19:49.59 | JeffM | since they may change it with an update |
| 19:50.34 | Eliott | ok |
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| 20:02.53 | KTL | what are the buttons to work with observer mode? |
| 20:03.40 | JeffM | you mean change who you follow and stuff? |
| 20:03.49 | KTL | yes, cant find them in the help |
| 20:03.56 | JeffM | F6 F7 F8 |
| 20:03.57 | SpazzyMcGee | F8 changes mode |
| 20:03.58 | KTL | did not see them in the key mapping either |
| 20:04.02 | KTL | aha thanks |
| 20:04.32 | blast007 | KTL: also, the 'L' key turns on tank labels |
| 20:04.53 | KTL | that was in the key mapping |
| 20:04.57 | blast007 | then you use Ctrl/Alt/Shift+Arrow Keys to move |
| 20:04.57 | blast007 | k |
| 20:05.25 | KTL | aaa ctrlaldshift too brb playing with that |
| 20:08.50 | KTL | i've never been able to look down with an angle |
| 20:09.01 | KTL | first time:) |
| 20:09.02 | blast007 | KTL: ah, another thing is that if you use the SlowKeyboard key (defaults to 'a') it will make the movement in observer mode smoother |
| 20:09.17 | blast007 | basically like the camera has momentum |
| 20:09.40 | KTL | momentum indeed |
| 20:10.02 | KTL | there are a bunch of features noone knows about! |
| 20:11.06 | KTL | btw, the clouds, are they configurable or not? maybe these should be map specific too |
| 20:12.51 | KTL | just a thought |
| 20:12.58 | blast007 | you can do a skybox in the game |
| 20:13.08 | blast007 | and I think you can turn off the clouds |
| 20:13.22 | blast007 | and then just put in a mesh face with a moving texture |
| 20:13.23 | JeffM | not really |
| 20:13.34 | JeffM | yeah you could do it with big ass textures |
| 20:15.07 | blast007 | wouldn't have to be *too* big, since the coulds are fairly far away on a typical map, so fine detail isn't required |
| 20:18.49 | JeffM | hit + and - |
| 20:19.41 | KTL | = and - |
| 20:21.23 | KTL | i play this game since long and a lot, I only discovered that it was possible to play with the light now |
| 20:21.44 | DTRemenak | KTL: speeding it up would kinda defeat the point..."the work that has been put in it" was to make it as accurate as possible to RL. all of the celestial bodies are positioned exactly as they would be right now, right where you are (assuming you have set latitude and longitude correctly, and your clock is right) |
| 20:22.48 | KTL | assuming you have set latitude and longitude correctly, ... who has configured these to his coordinates? :D who has done that? :D |
| 20:23.00 | DTRemenak | and some servers have, and use synctime |
| 20:23.03 | KTL | i cant even find it in the config file :D |
| 20:23.18 | KTL | ah it is server side? |
| 20:23.38 | DTRemenak | both |
| 20:23.46 | DTRemenak | from the default client config: |
| 20:23.48 | DTRemenak | #set latitude 37.5 |
| 20:23.51 | DTRemenak | #set longitude 122 |
| 20:24.05 | DTRemenak | server side they're _latitude and _longitude |
| 20:24.34 | KTL | oki found it mmm there is something strang here :D |
| 20:25.42 | KTL | so ... the bzflag client can ... report to the server ... in theory ... where the players play from on earth ... |
| 20:25.51 | DTRemenak | no |
| 20:26.15 | DTRemenak | _latitude is sent to the client. latitude is never sent to the server. |
| 20:26.50 | KTL | yes it's not implemented, /me thinking |
| 20:27.01 | JeffM | no |
| 20:27.08 | JeffM | bzdb dosn't go that way |
| 20:27.14 | DTRemenak | client-side variables are never relayed to the server, there is no mechanism to do that |
| 20:27.25 | JeffM | if you did it you'd want to send it to the list |
| 20:27.28 | JeffM | not the game server |
| 20:27.31 | JeffM | the game server dosn't care |
| 20:27.46 | KTL | bzdb that is what everything seems to turn around, only recently i start having an idea what it is, is it just a big map that maps strings to float values? |
| 20:27.57 | DTRemenak | and most of them would end up being near weihai, china (yay for being backwards) |
| 20:28.09 | JeffM | it stores keys and values |
| 20:28.25 | JeffM | and some of them are send from server to client |
| 20:28.27 | JeffM | and kept udated |
| 20:28.31 | JeffM | it's used for lots of stuff |
| 20:28.42 | KTL | the keys and values have to be from the same type always ? |
| 20:28.49 | JeffM | there only is one type |
| 20:28.50 | KTL | keys strings, values floats |
| 20:28.51 | JeffM | string |
| 20:28.51 | DTRemenak | keys are strings, values are variants |
| 20:29.01 | KTL | variants, the union type? |
| 20:29.02 | JeffM | the values can be parsed as floats, bools, or ints |
| 20:29.08 | JeffM | they are stored as strings |
| 20:29.18 | DTRemenak | KTL: in a broader sense. autoparsable strings |
| 20:29.28 | JeffM | you call one of the eval methods to tell it how to read it |
| 20:29.46 | JeffM | so basicly the caller has to know what to expect it as |
| 20:29.54 | DTRemenak | just like a union variant |
| 20:30.00 | DTRemenak | but without the union ;) |
| 20:30.00 | KTL | and by simply mentioning them in the config file they become accessible everywhere in the code by just asking bzdb::getvalue(keystring) or similar |
| 20:30.11 | JeffM | if the var for _tankSpeed is set to "bob" eval will return 0 for the float ;) |
| 20:30.20 | JeffM | KTL: yeah |
| 20:30.33 | KTL | cool by simplicity and effectiveness |
| 20:30.48 | JeffM | and slowitude |
| 20:30.53 | JeffM | bzdb evals arn't fast |
| 20:31.00 | JeffM | thats why we have the callbacks and the cache |
| 20:31.01 | DTRemenak | that's what bzdbcache is for ;) |
| 20:31.05 | KTL | :D |
| 20:31.53 | brlcad | would be pretty cool to use stellarium or celestia for the skydome rendering |
| 20:32.19 | KTL | and graphicscard breaking |
| 20:32.22 | DTRemenak | yeah, our current selection of stars is somewhat limited |
| 20:34.08 | DTRemenak | though there are around 400 iirc |
| 20:34.30 | DTRemenak | which is more than you can see from the ground in most cities |
| 20:34.33 | KTL | 400 pixelsize dots |
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| 21:58.35 | JeffM | we built this city.. we built this city on.. rock and rool |
| 22:04.59 | spldart | Smells like.... mothball.... I mean Teen Spirit |
| 22:09.05 | TD-Linux | inchworm, lucky |
| 22:09.11 | TD-Linux | I'm stuck with an old ion engine clunker |
| 22:11.20 | inchworm | :) |
| 22:12.03 | JeffM | at least your efficent |
| 22:12.11 | spldart | mmMmm Iron engine |
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| 23:03.26 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jannejun * r16593 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/MessageUtilities.cxx: - Modified MessageUtilities parse function for floats to use the function for doubles and then convert. |
| 23:05.56 | a_meteorite | who is jannejun? |
| 23:07.27 | [dmp] | Gilly i think |
| 23:08.47 | jftsang | how many developers are there |
| 23:09.29 | [dmp] | jftsang: SF page can give you a hint :) |
| 23:11.09 | a_meteorite | Gilly? never heard of him.. |
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| 23:20.29 | Constitution | a_meteorite: 18:02 -!- Gilly [n=btw@about/essy/ilkimys/gilly] has quit ["leaving"] |
| 23:20.33 | Constitution | ;) |
| 23:21.12 | a_meteorite | still never heard of this gilly... is he new? |
| 23:21.37 | Winny | nope |
| 23:21.39 | Winny | he's a dev |
| 23:22.00 | a_meteorite | an old one? |
| 23:22.00 | blast007 | recently added as a dev |
| 23:22.05 | blast007 | in the last week |
| 23:22.10 | a_meteorite | hmmm, it's amazing I've never heard of him |
| 23:22.27 | a_meteorite | he must not be too talkative :) |
| 23:23.57 | blast007 | a_meteorite: you must just not read the scrollback |
| 23:24.27 | a_meteorite | guess not |
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