| 00:02.08 | JeffM | peter_bz, why? |
| 00:02.44 | peter_bz | oops, just testing chatzilla features, sorry |
| 00:02.56 | JeffM | suuuureeeee |
| 00:03.15 | a_meteorite | why ... what? |
| 00:03.39 | JeffM | why he wanted to know what time it was here |
| 00:03.50 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 00:04.00 | L4m3r | at least he didn't ping the entire channel |
| 00:04.19 | JeffM | thats a killable offence |
| 00:04.23 | jftsang | peter_bz, your clock was fast by 52 seconds |
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| 00:10.11 | Ride | hello |
| 00:10.18 | Ride | ne one here |
| 00:10.42 | peter_bz | hello? |
| 00:10.46 | Ride | hey |
| 00:11.09 | Ride | do u no how i can put flags on my new map i just made on BZEdit Win 32 |
| 00:11.18 | peter_bz | you can't |
| 00:11.20 | JeffM | flags are part of the config |
| 00:11.22 | JeffM | not the map |
| 00:11.26 | JeffM | they are added by the server |
| 00:11.26 | peter_bz | you will have to use notepad |
| 00:11.34 | JeffM | see the docs on +f and +s |
| 00:11.34 | Ride | kk one sec |
| 00:11.57 | Ride | what if someone else is going to host my map? |
| 00:12.01 | peter_bz | use the bzflag wiki, it is very helpful |
| 00:12.09 | JeffM | then you tell them what to add |
| 00:12.20 | Ride | can either of u host my map... |
| 00:12.28 | peter_bz | no |
| 00:12.28 | JeffM | or you can add an options section to the map that will be merged into the config |
| 00:12.29 | JeffM | no |
| 00:12.41 | JeffM | is your map open source? |
| 00:12.42 | Ride | how do u do that |
| 00:12.48 | Ride | what |
| 00:12.58 | JeffM | read the documentation on the options object |
| 00:13.06 | JeffM | are you going to allow anyone to host or use your map? |
| 00:13.15 | Ride | yes |
| 00:13.21 | JeffM | then post it on the fourms |
| 00:13.24 | JeffM | under the map releases |
| 00:13.26 | Ride | k |
| 00:13.31 | JeffM | and perhaps a server owner will run it |
| 00:13.38 | Ride | then what |
| 00:13.42 | JeffM | then it's hosted |
| 00:13.48 | JeffM | what else do you want after that? |
| 00:13.54 | Ride | i know but then do they put flags on for me |
| 00:14.00 | JeffM | they can |
| 00:14.05 | JeffM | and it would not be for "you" |
| 00:14.07 | JeffM | it woudl be for them |
| 00:14.10 | JeffM | it is there server |
| 00:14.12 | JeffM | not yours |
| 00:14.17 | Ride | oh |
| 00:14.22 | JeffM | you just made the map |
| 00:14.28 | Ride | but wouldn't it still be my mapp |
| 00:14.30 | Ride | oh kk |
| 00:14.38 | JeffM | sure, but that dosn't mean it is your server |
| 00:14.45 | Ride | i know |
| 00:14.46 | JeffM | you would not automaticly have any sort of abilities |
| 00:14.58 | JeffM | they decide the game type, and other settings |
| 00:15.08 | Ride | oh |
| 00:15.10 | JeffM | you can put in sugested settings in the options block |
| 00:15.16 | JeffM | but they can overide them |
| 00:15.29 | Ride | where is the options block is it when i post it on forums |
| 00:15.35 | JeffM | you add it |
| 00:15.40 | Ride | hwo |
| 00:15.41 | JeffM | with a text editor |
| 00:15.43 | Ride | how |
| 00:15.45 | Ride | k |
| 00:15.47 | JeffM | youy type |
| 00:15.52 | Ride | do i download that |
| 00:15.58 | peter_bz | no, |
| 00:16.03 | peter_bz | you use notepad |
| 00:16.11 | peter_bz | open the map file in notepad |
| 00:16.12 | Ride | notepad?... |
| 00:16.20 | JeffM | any text editor will work |
| 00:16.22 | JeffM | the map is a text file |
| 00:16.35 | Ride | like word or the notepad app on cpu |
| 00:16.43 | JeffM | indeed |
| 00:16.48 | Ride | kk one sec |
| 00:18.25 | Ride | it wont let me open it in notepad |
| 00:18.39 | peter_bz | dose it display an error message? |
| 00:18.44 | JeffM | change the extensione to txt |
| 00:18.52 | JeffM | instead of map |
| 00:18.57 | Ride | no its just not in the folder i saved it in |
| 00:19.01 | Ride | what... |
| 00:19.10 | Winny | on the bottom of the open dialog box |
| 00:19.17 | Winny | select "all files" instead of "text files" |
| 00:19.23 | Ride | alright |
| 00:20.03 | Winny | JeffM, IIRC, the default map save type is .bzw, no? |
| 00:20.28 | JeffM | not for bzeditw32 :) |
| 00:21.10 | Winny | eh.. I just saved a map.. saved at .bzw |
| 00:21.14 | Winny | s/at/as |
| 00:21.16 | Ride | i cant find it lol |
| 00:21.17 | JeffM | neat |
| 00:21.28 | JeffM | Ride, change the filename to be .txt |
| 00:21.36 | Ride | i did |
| 00:21.37 | JeffM | then just double click it |
| 00:21.40 | Ride | oh wait |
| 00:21.43 | Ride | gotcha |
| 00:21.55 | JeffM | this is basic computer usage stuff |
| 00:22.43 | peter_bz | or in the open option in notepad change "text documents (*.txt)" to "all files" |
| 00:22.57 | Winny | peter_bz, I already said that :) |
| 00:23.33 | Ride | got it now what |
| 00:23.57 | Ride | its a whole bunch of words .... |
| 00:24.00 | Winny | ..open it in notepad at add the flags.. look on the wiki for more info |
| 00:24.11 | Winny | you need to add an options block at the top with you flags in it |
| 00:24.24 | Ride | options...? |
| 00:24.43 | JeffM | Ride, you need to read the docs |
| 00:24.46 | JeffM | on the options object |
| 00:24.49 | JeffM | on the wiki |
| 00:24.56 | JeffM | you will have to do some resarch and think a bit |
| 00:24.56 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/w/ |
| 00:25.24 | Ride | dont i just have to type something in |
| 00:25.37 | Winny | yes, and you can research what to "type in" |
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| 00:26.05 | JeffM | Ride, we will not do your work for you |
| 00:26.10 | JeffM | you need to learn a bit |
| 00:26.12 | Ride | i know |
| 00:26.27 | Ride | just wait here for a minute i am at the site |
| 00:28.01 | JeffM | dude, you came to us, we 'll do what we will |
| 00:28.04 | JeffM | this isn't IM |
| 00:28.18 | Ride | it says to make options block and says how, but is that where i put in flag names and where they go? |
| 00:28.29 | peter_bz | read the wiki |
| 00:28.34 | Ride | i am |
| 00:28.37 | peter_bz | figure it out your self |
| 00:28.37 | Ride | right now |
| 00:28.42 | peter_bz | ]all the info is there |
| 00:28.44 | peter_bz | *all |
| 00:29.01 | Ride | im in only 9th grade im not as smart as u guys |
| 00:29.23 | JeffM | sure you are, you just have to try |
| 00:29.29 | JeffM | you'll get it |
| 00:29.35 | Ride | i am i swear |
| 00:29.39 | JeffM | you just need to have patience |
| 00:29.39 | JeffM | I know |
| 00:29.40 | JeffM | there is no rush |
| 00:29.43 | JeffM | just chill |
| 00:29.58 | JeffM | peter_bz, there is no need for you to keep repeating what we say. |
| 00:30.03 | Ride | yeah but i dont understand this stuff very well |
| 00:30.15 | JeffM | well then you need to slow down and read more about it |
| 00:30.17 | JeffM | untill you learn |
| 00:30.18 | Ride | im just learning |
| 00:30.24 | JeffM | it'll just take time |
| 00:30.26 | Ride | i did read it |
| 00:30.35 | JeffM | then if you don't get it, read more untill you do :) |
| 00:30.49 | Ride | i figured out how to make map i just cant comprehend codes |
| 00:30.51 | Ride | lol |
| 00:31.05 | Ride | can i send u my map |
| 00:31.24 | JeffM | no |
| 00:31.28 | JeffM | I don't host maps for people |
| 00:31.50 | Ride | i know but then u could see it and help me understand thats all im asking u |
| 00:31.52 | JeffM | I would sugest that you start by just posting what you have on the fourms, see if anyone likes it |
| 00:31.57 | JeffM | and maybe they can work with you to learn |
| 00:32.02 | JeffM | what don't you unerstand? |
| 00:32.02 | Ride | doubt it |
| 00:32.05 | JeffM | the command line options? |
| 00:32.16 | Ride | how to set flags with codes |
| 00:32.44 | JeffM | depends what you mean by "set flags" |
| 00:32.51 | Ride | zones |
| 00:32.52 | JeffM | do you just want random flags in places? |
| 00:32.54 | JeffM | ahh zones |
| 00:32.58 | JeffM | you never mentioned zones |
| 00:32.58 | Ride | yea |
| 00:33.03 | Ride | sry |
| 00:33.04 | JeffM | then for that you add zone objects |
| 00:33.11 | JeffM | you do not use the options object |
| 00:33.17 | JeffM | thos are very complex |
| 00:33.20 | Ride | how do u do zone objects |
| 00:33.21 | JeffM | I sugest you start simple first |
| 00:33.26 | Ride | with what |
| 00:33.40 | JeffM | no flags first, and learn how to host |
| 00:33.54 | Ride | i cant parents wont let me host |
| 00:34.01 | Ride | on my cpu |
| 00:34.23 | JeffM | well then that limits what you can do |
| 00:34.29 | Ride | i have to go thank you for ur help tho |
| 00:34.42 | JeffM | mom calling for dinner |
| 00:34.49 | Ride | r u shure i cant send it to u and u can just look at it |
| 00:34.53 | JeffM | yes |
| 00:34.56 | Ride | no soccer practice |
| 00:34.59 | JeffM | I will not do your work for you |
| 00:35.07 | peter_bz | ride, send it to peter.computer.art@googlemail.com |
| 00:35.09 | Winny | JeffM doesn't host or play BZFlag :P |
| 00:35.17 | JeffM | I only verbaly berate it |
| 00:35.23 | JeffM | and well |
| 00:35.29 | JeffM | make everyone's frame rates go down |
| 00:35.32 | Ride | ok peter u want it in notebook |
| 00:35.34 | JeffM | and break the network |
| 00:35.57 | Ride | peter? |
| 00:36.04 | peter_bz | we can speak in email, lets stop bother #bzflag for now :) |
| 00:36.16 | peter_bz | *bothering |
| 00:36.32 | Ride | ok well i have to go rite now so i might be on tommorow |
| 00:36.40 | Ride | cya guys thank you |
| 00:36.45 | Ride | for everything |
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| 00:36.52 | Ride | bye |
| 00:37.00 | peter_bz | cya |
| 00:37.16 | Winny | JeffM, yeah, I was thinking that as well |
| 00:37.26 | peter_bz | what? |
| 00:37.38 | Winny | IPs don't look to match, though |
| 00:37.59 | JeffM | proxy |
| 00:38.04 | JeffM | proxys are avery easy |
| 00:38.22 | Winny | every time I've tried CGI:IRC with a proxy, it's failed miserably |
| 00:38.32 | JeffM | dosn't mean it can't work |
| 00:38.36 | JeffM | tor could do it as well |
| 00:39.02 | JeffM | and it's rare that peter_bz pipes up |
| 00:39.06 | JeffM | now he's a chaterbox today |
| 00:39.12 | JeffM | strange things are afoot |
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| 03:10.40 | spldart | Weirdest thing. My linux router box failed. kept quitting over and over then failed to reboot anymore. I start the simplify process to find out why it can't get past the bios memtest and .. woah... removing the wireless card is the solution.. I moved it to another slot and Hazzah! We have boot... Yes.. I cleaned the connectors before switching to the next pci slot... Things that make you say Hrmmmmm |
| 03:12.19 | Winny | poof |
| 03:12.30 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 03:13.45 | spldart | Well... if the Ralink card fails in the new slot I'll probably start in tomorrow building a module for my spare Atheros card and see if that calms things down :-D |
| 03:16.23 | JeffM | blast007, we have to pull that data pack the guy made |
| 03:16.37 | JeffM | he's distributing copyrighted materials with out the required license |
| 03:17.13 | Winny | \o/ |
| 03:17.27 | spldart | Boo Hiss on that behaviour |
| 03:17.40 | Winny | I agree |
| 03:17.41 | JeffM | specialy when they are our files ;) |
| 03:17.46 | spldart | w0rd |
| 03:19.28 | blast007 | should I delete the thread then? |
| 03:19.35 | JeffM | I'm douing it |
| 03:19.38 | JeffM | and sending him a PM |
| 03:19.39 | blast007 | k |
| 03:20.29 | JeffM | he has to pull the file from the webhost as well |
| 03:23.13 | JeffM | I've sent an abbuse report for it to the site. |
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| 03:23.48 | Winny | Sadly, most kids think that everything on the internet is free.. |
| 03:24.13 | Winny | some kids at my school thought that you pay for internet because its "like and all you can eat buffet" |
| 03:24.16 | Think_Differentl | Winny, teh linux is free! :D |
| 03:24.32 | Winny | ok, and? |
| 03:24.52 | Winny | we're not discussing linux, we're discussing copyright violation |
| 03:25.12 | Think_Differentl | Winny, but most of it is free and open, AND it's on the internet. |
| 03:25.30 | Winny | Once again, and? |
| 03:25.45 | Think_Differentl | ...\ |
| 03:25.57 | spldart | The is a giant grey area on internet and rights... |
| 03:27.01 | spldart | ..."this is not a router failure... I'm rebooting windows to crank up my cpu's clock speed and do some video encoding".... ;-) hehe |
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| 03:30.48 | spldart | It's really quite amazing how responsive a system gets running @ max front side bus speed |
| 03:31.44 | blast007 | spldart: until it bursts into flame |
| 03:31.48 | Think_Differentl | spldart, I just was running my qFSB @ 1337 |
| 03:31.52 | Think_Differentl | :D |
| 03:32.01 | spldart | LOL |
| 03:32.58 | Think_Differentl | I don't have sufficient cooling to run this board at it's max FSB, but 9x479 on a Core 2 is quite fast I imagine. |
| 03:33.36 | spldart | I'm much MUCH older school.. this rig is 4 y/o |
| 03:33.52 | a_meteorite | time for an upgrade if you gotta overclock just to video encode |
| 03:33.57 | spldart | dual k7 barton mobiles |
| 03:34.02 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 03:34.04 | spldart | I don't HAVE to.. |
| 03:34.20 | a_meteorite | dual k7's... REALLY nifty... |
| 03:34.21 | spldart | I just wanna get 10 hours of video done a bit faster |
| 03:34.25 | a_meteorite | send me that rig before you retire it :P |
| 03:34.30 | spldart | LOL |
| 03:34.47 | spldart | It'll be my next gen apache, samba, bzflag server down the road :) |
| 03:35.30 | a_meteorite | aw |
| 03:35.35 | spldart | ;-) |
| 03:36.04 | spldart | any idea how fast dual bartons @ 2.4ghz apiece can |
| 03:36.07 | spldart | ooops |
| 03:36.13 | spldart | 'make -j3' bzflag? |
| 03:36.24 | spldart | Extremely with OC bus |
| 03:36.25 | a_meteorite | slower than my core 2 :P |
| 03:36.36 | spldart | LOL |
| 03:36.50 | blast007 | spldart: I have a system I use 'make -j5' on ;) |
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| 03:37.05 | spldart | Nice being able to test new code in a matter of a few minutes isn't it? |
| 03:37.15 | blast007 | it's not a screamer |
| 03:37.19 | blast007 | only PIII's |
| 03:37.25 | spldart | Still |
| 03:37.29 | blast007 | but they are Xeon's, so extra cache |
| 03:38.01 | spldart | His core 2 and my dually both, i imagine, do the 'make' with client and all in a matter of a few minutes |
| 03:38.16 | spldart | How long a_meteorite? |
| 03:38.43 | a_meteorite | meh, I never timed it, a few minutes |
| 03:39.01 | a_meteorite | it's definitely faster than ~4 year old chips :P |
| 03:39.34 | blast007 | I never built the client |
| 03:39.40 | spldart | heh.... I remember when this rig was new... and very few could touch me :) |
| 03:39.46 | blast007 | it's an IBM server, so it's just for serving ;) |
| 03:39.54 | spldart | :-D |
| 03:40.01 | blast007 | the graphics chip is just an S3 Savage IX |
| 03:40.13 | spldart | Now.. building bzfs and bzadmin on a P MMX 200...that takes a bit longer |
| 03:40.18 | blast007 | hehe |
| 03:40.19 | spldart | and building kernel's... OMG |
| 03:40.27 | a_meteorite | binaries ftw |
| 03:40.37 | spldart | 1 day to build a light kernel |
| 03:40.50 | spldart | But dually does a kernel in 15 minutes |
| 03:41.15 | Think_Differentl | my core 2 box takes about 3 minutes to compile the latest svn (client and server) |
| 03:41.18 | a_meteorite | That's not even a linear scale |
| 03:41.28 | JeffM | yay for cheap hard drives :) |
| 03:41.57 | a_meteorite | It fail on you? |
| 03:42.04 | JeffM | no |
| 03:42.06 | spldart | Yeah.. I can't touch 3 minutes... but a couple more and I'm there |
| 03:42.08 | JeffM | I just purchased one |
| 03:42.13 | Think_Differentl | my 20G deathstar is clicking again :/ |
| 03:42.14 | JeffM | 250gig |
| 03:42.22 | spldart | I'm loving Fry's drives on sale :) |
| 03:42.22 | JeffM | 99$ |
| 03:42.22 | Think_Differentl | JeffM, Seagate? |
| 03:42.29 | JeffM | toshiba |
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| 03:42.48 | Think_Differentl | laptop then? |
| 03:42.54 | JeffM | ya |
| 03:42.58 | Think_Differentl | ah |
| 03:43.01 | spldart | ooOOoo... loook! a stack of 300 gig'ers in the front of the store! I don't need one but Yooiiiinnkkk |
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| 04:36.44 | EmoNemo | Hilary backs out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8NhrzqxEhc |
| 04:39.59 | JeffM | EmoNemo: was it worth the ban? |
| 04:40.08 | EmoNemo | yes |
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| 04:40.31 | JeffM2501 | just so you know, don't go there |
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| 04:47.26 | a_meteorite | wow |
| 04:47.50 | JeffM2501 | anyone know if he plays? |
| 04:48.07 | a_meteorite | I think he said he does, but I've never seen him play |
| 04:48.10 | spldart | Not seem him myself... but I don't play alot |
| 04:48.15 | a_meteorite | he hangs out in ##planetmofo |
| 04:48.42 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/playerinfo.php?callsign=EmoNemo |
| 04:48.59 | JeffM2501 | non reged it seems |
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| 13:24.20 | spldart | I guess I got that router fixed ;-p |
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| 14:33.30 | spldart | Time for work :-( |
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| 15:35.07 | bz96 | how do i activate my account? it is currently unactivated? |
| 15:35.56 | blast007 | you should have received an email |
| 15:36.00 | blast007 | bye... |
| 15:46.22 | brlcad | heh |
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| 15:55.14 | whatitdo142 | hi |
| 15:55.20 | blast007 | hello |
| 15:55.34 | whatitdo142 | i need help with meh lag |
| 15:55.43 | whatitdo142 | how do i lower it? |
| 15:56.10 | whatitdo142 | hello? |
| 15:56.23 | blast007 | play on servers closer to you |
| 15:56.44 | whatitdo142 | how do i know if the server is close to me? |
| 15:56.46 | blast007 | and don't run background applications that user the Internet (like download tools) |
| 15:56.51 | blast007 | whatitdo142: by trying different ones |
| 15:57.06 | whatitdo142 | servers? |
| 15:57.09 | blast007 | yes |
| 15:57.16 | blast007 | try some and find ones that have lower lag for you |
| 15:58.37 | blast007 | what kind of connection do you have? high-speed? or dialup? |
| 15:58.40 | whatitdo142 | but how can know if the lag is low before i connect to the server |
| 15:58.56 | blast007 | you won't know |
| 15:59.00 | whatitdo142 | is there a way to find that out |
| 16:00.09 | whatitdo142 | whats ur fav. server |
| 16:00.35 | blast007 | I don't really have one |
| 16:00.35 | ts | We have a shell script called pingtimes.sh in misc |
| 16:00.51 | blast007 | ts: you're assuming he knows what a shell script is ;) and that he runs *nix |
| 16:00.52 | whatitdo142 | i like the hide and seek with no radar. and planet mofo |
| 16:01.13 | ts | blast007: I'm assuming he can google and find out :) |
| 16:01.19 | whatitdo142 | ok |
| 16:01.24 | blast007 | ts: hehe... |
| 16:01.39 | blast007 | ts: you assume much ;) |
| 16:02.09 | ts | I am Mr. Assumption :p |
| 16:02.44 | blast007 | it's possible he's on 56k. His ISP does offer it. |
| 16:02.47 | blast007 | as well as DSL |
| 16:03.07 | ts | Wow. |
| 16:03.27 | ts | My ISP offers nothing lower than at least 2Mbit/s downstream |
| 16:03.37 | ts | and that's already pretty slow |
| 16:03.48 | blast007 | and they even offer ISDN! woo ;) |
| 16:04.38 | ts | I've ISDN, too. I don't like VOIP. |
| 16:05.33 | ts | However 56k already sounds like stone age |
| 16:06.15 | blast007 | some people can either get 56k, or satalite |
| 16:06.26 | blast007 | and they get better game performance over 56k |
| 16:08.47 | ts | My last OS update was 180MB..how long does that need with 56k? |
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| 19:59.43 | awilcox | ts: 180MB @ 56Kbits (~4KB/sec) = |
| 19:59.50 | awilcox | ~180*1024/4/60 |
| 19:59.51 | ibot | 768 |
| 19:59.57 | awilcox | 768 minutes, apparently. |
| 20:00.03 | awilcox | ~768/60 |
| 20:00.04 | ibot | 12.8 |
| 20:00.06 | awilcox | 12.8 hours. |
| 20:00.28 | awilcox | try downloading ISO images with that! took all of two days :/ |
| 20:03.01 | awilcox | And JeffM, it _is_ possible that the troll (emonemo) plays under a different callsign than his nick. My callsign is AWOS in bzflag. just saying, not all of us use our nicks for callsigns (or vice versa) |
| 20:04.56 | Constitution | JeffM isn't here |
| 20:05.12 | awilcox | Aw man =/ |
| 20:19.23 | awilcox | My attempt to be funny and annoying at the same time. |
| 20:20.01 | awilcox | I had AHeartAttack while watching Doctor-Who because a_meteorite was gonna hit and cause a chaoscon. I have a weak Constitution, and my computer is deprecated. I'm trying to find out whodaman is that isn't giving ibot maxpower. I also saw a Birdie Flash while playing with SportChicks. I saw a Suspect inchworm trying to scuttle to a CIA-2 office to find a loophole, but their think_tank was nn64. I may be a L4m3r for boop-ing everyone, and a little |
| 20:20.20 | Winny | awilcox, why are you mass-pinging? |
| 20:20.24 | a_meteorite | huh |
| 20:20.25 | Winny | it's seriously lame |
| 20:20.34 | awilcox | Winny: My attempt at being funny and annoying at the same time. |
| 20:20.42 | tannerld | hmm? |
| 20:20.45 | L4m3r | it's lame as hell |
| 20:20.48 | L4m3r | and I would know. |
| 20:21.15 | a_meteorite | kinda made sense |
| 20:23.12 | awilcox | oh and rtfm sometime! |
| 20:23.37 | Winny | awilcox, seriously. It. is. lame. |
| 20:23.45 | awilcox | a_met: haha. yeah it sorta started out as a contest on another channel. |
| 20:24.13 | think_tank | fascinating |
| 20:24.15 | awilcox | ~pooh Winny |
| 20:24.16 | ibot | ACTION pooh poohs Winny |
| 20:24.32 | Winny | heh |
| 20:26.25 | rtfm | awilcox: the strange part is that I didn't get highlighted there... |
| 20:26.33 | awilcox | Hahaha. |
| 20:26.55 | Constitution | what client? |
| 20:26.59 | rtfm | irssi |
| 20:27.12 | Constitution | irssi only highlites when your nick is at the very beginning, afaik |
| 20:27.14 | rtfm | must just be a config difference between this one and blast007 |
| 20:27.15 | awilcox | if you /nick'd to it, you'd have to set /hilight |
| 20:27.24 | blast007 | cuz I just highlighted myself there |
| 20:27.26 | awilcox | rtfm: now does it highlight? |
| 20:27.27 | Constitution | ah maybe a conf |
| 20:27.32 | rtfm | yes |
| 20:27.39 | awilcox | yeah see there's a config option for that |
| 20:27.46 | blast007 | already tested it in my channel ;) |
| 20:27.53 | blast007 | both irssi, but they behave differently |
| 20:28.05 | blast007 | this one is quite tweaked though |
| 20:28.12 | awilcox | doing /hilight rtfm would prolly work, but would make it danged active depending on which channels you are on :P |
| 20:32.32 | awilcox | (I also was going to say "But this is a blast007!" but it didn't fit in the message. too long.) |
| 20:33.24 | awilcox | Eh. Anyway. wasn't there some networking borkedness that yall needed help with? |
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| 22:23.35 | Ride | hello |
| 22:23.40 | a_meteorite | hi |
| 22:23.46 | awilcox | Ello. |
| 22:23.46 | Ride | hey dude whats up |
| 22:23.56 | blast007 | not much |
| 22:23.59 | a_meteorite | America's Army |
| 22:24.12 | Ride | finally figured out how to put zones on my new map ... lol |
| 22:24.18 | blast007 | cool |
| 22:24.36 | Ride | now i just need someone to host it |
| 22:24.49 | Ride | havent found anyone yet |
| 22:25.01 | a_meteorite | did you post it on the boards along with screenshots? |
| 22:25.08 | Ride | not yet |
| 22:25.14 | Ride | screen shots? |
| 22:25.18 | Ride | ? |
| 22:25.37 | awilcox | Ride: The F5 key. |
| 22:25.44 | Ride | i know that |
| 22:25.51 | pacman81 | host it locally |
| 22:25.59 | Ride | but how do i take screen shots of it if i cant play in it lol |
| 22:26.02 | Ride | yet |
| 22:26.04 | pacman81 | join as observer |
| 22:26.18 | Ride | its not up and runing yet |
| 22:26.26 | Ride | its still on BZEdit |
| 22:26.26 | pacman81 | you just have the map file? |
| 22:26.34 | Ride | and notepad file |
| 22:26.45 | pacman81 | make a copy of the .conf file included in your install |
| 22:26.59 | Ride | ? |
| 22:27.15 | pacman81 | the map file is a .bzw |
| 22:27.24 | pacman81 | has all the buildings and geometry |
| 22:27.39 | pacman81 | the configuration file tells the server how to play the map |
| 22:27.43 | Ride | idk what ur talking about dont know how to do that |
| 22:28.00 | pacman81 | is it a ctf or ffa map? |
| 22:28.24 | Ride | ctf |
| 22:28.40 | Ride | using BZEdit Win 32 |
| 22:29.02 | pacman81 | ok |
| 22:29.20 | F687s | does BZEdit have a "Test Map" feature? |
| 22:29.20 | pacman81 | open the folder where you installed bzflag |
| 22:29.26 | Winny | BZEdit doesn't set the gametype, it just ads base type |
| 22:29.31 | Winny | err, base objects |
| 22:30.01 | pacman81 | i think it's under /misc/bzfs.conf |
| 22:30.18 | Ride | one sec |
| 22:30.27 | pacman81 | ie, C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.10\misc\bzfs.conf |
| 22:31.21 | Ride | what am i doing this for again? lol |
| 22:32.01 | F687s | to create a Conf file to host your maps... |
| 22:32.01 | Ride | ? |
| 22:32.07 | Ride | k |
| 22:32.20 | pacman81 | the configuration file has all the details about the gameplay on your map |
| 22:32.39 | pacman81 | how many shots, ricochet or no, jumping or not, what flags... |
| 22:32.44 | pacman81 | did you find the file? |
| 22:32.54 | blast007 | Ride: you run windows, right? |
| 22:32.54 | Winny | not to mention configuration settings, the map location, etc. |
| 22:33.00 | Ride | yes |
| 22:33.07 | blast007 | let me get you a link |
| 22:33.13 | Ride | ? |
| 22:33.18 | blast007 | you might have to install something else first to run this though |
| 22:33.18 | Winny | a link |
| 22:33.41 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11785 |
| 22:34.21 | blast007 | works for testing a map out |
| 22:34.34 | blast007 | but you need the .NET framework 1.1 |
| 22:34.43 | pacman81 | Ride: do you know windows command line? |
| 22:34.45 | blast007 | if you get an error when you launch my program, that is what you're mising |
| 22:34.49 | blast007 | pacman81: he doesn't have to |
| 22:35.00 | blast007 | pacman81: got to that link :P |
| 22:35.03 | blast007 | go* |
| 22:35.07 | Ride | k |
| 22:35.17 | Ride | what do i do there |
| 22:35.22 | pacman81 | have i been pacman81 all this time? |
| 22:35.28 | pacman81 | i should be pacman87... |
| 22:35.29 | Ride | yes |
| 22:35.56 | Ride | what do i do there |
| 22:35.58 | Ride | ? |
| 22:36.14 | blast007 | download my application |
| 22:36.21 | blast007 | next to the word "Download" |
| 22:36.28 | Ride | k ill be back then lol |
| 22:36.31 | Ride | one min |
| 22:36.34 | Ride | brb |
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| 22:37.35 | Ride | can u retype link please |
| 22:37.42 | pacman81 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.57 | Ride | brb |
| 22:38.15 | blast007 | you could always open a new browser window.. |
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| 22:40.06 | pacman87 | you can also save the .bzw file to C:\Documents and Settings\*YOUR NAME*\My BZFlag Files\worlds\YOUR_MAP_HERE.bzw |
| 22:40.12 | Ride | cant open it says it cant handle app |
| 22:40.22 | pacman87 | and launch from within bzflag |
| 22:40.34 | blast007 | Ride: what does? |
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| 22:40.56 | Ride | when i tried to download ur app it said i couldnt inlstall |
| 22:41.01 | Ride | *install |
| 22:41.09 | blast007 | my application does not install |
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| 22:41.26 | Ride | wouldnt let me download |
| 22:41.29 | blast007 | did you get THIS file? http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/tools/BZWTestLauncher-beta1.exe |
| 22:41.33 | Ride | yes |
| 22:41.38 | blast007 | it does not install |
| 22:41.49 | blast007 | and what wouldn't let you download? |
| 22:41.49 | Ride | idk it wouldnt run ... |
| 22:41.51 | Winny | Your parents have parental controls installed probably |
| 22:41.53 | pacman87 | save it first |
| 22:41.57 | Ride | nope |
| 22:42.00 | Winny | or you havent installed the .NET framework |
| 22:42.02 | blast007 | did it give an error? |
| 22:42.04 | Ride | kk il try |
| 22:42.05 | Winny | like blast said to do |
| 22:42.21 | pacman87 | dont' try to run it from the link |
| 22:42.25 | Ride | k |
| 22:42.38 | Ride | one sec then ill try to save then run |
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| 22:43.45 | Ride | it worked now what |
| 22:44.42 | Ride | hello |
| 22:44.50 | pacman87 | blast007: now what? |
| 22:44.57 | Ride | what do i do now that its running |
| 22:45.06 | Winny | you do what it says |
| 22:45.13 | Ride | it says nothing |
| 22:45.18 | Winny | yes it does |
| 22:45.28 | Winny | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/tools/BZWTestLauncher.png looks like it says things to me |
| 22:45.30 | Ride | just abunch of blanks i dont know what to do in |
| 22:45.56 | Ride | no i have the app running right now |
| 22:46.10 | pacman87 | you have to tell it where you installed bzflag |
| 22:46.15 | Winny | ok, so browse for the files it asks for |
| 22:47.05 | Ride | it asks for BZW.exe Binary |
| 22:47.08 | Ride | what is that |
| 22:47.16 | pacman87 | bzfs.exe? |
| 22:47.16 | Winny | it asks for the BZFS.exe binary |
| 22:47.23 | Ride | yes that |
| 22:47.32 | pacman87 | that's the server |
| 22:47.32 | Winny | the program... |
| 22:47.47 | pacman87 | should be in the same directory as bzflag.exe |
| 22:47.59 | Ride | so what do i put in the blank |
| 22:48.04 | Winny | Ride, look: if you don't even know how to use this simplfied program, I advise you brush up on some basic computer terms |
| 22:48.21 | a_meteorite | browse to C:\Program Files\BZFlag ...\bzfs.exe |
| 22:48.25 | a_meteorite | the ... depends on what version you have |
| 22:48.29 | Ride | hey man chill im in 9th grade give me a break Winny |
| 22:48.33 | a_meteorite | so it could be BZFlag2.0.8 |
| 22:48.37 | a_meteorite | or 2.0.10 |
| 22:48.40 | a_meteorite | just browse and find out |
| 22:48.47 | Ride | k |
| 22:48.52 | Winny | so? To run a server you should know SOME basic computer terms. Just saying. |
| 22:48.55 | a_meteorite | yeah, I knew this stuff in 3rd grade |
| 22:49.14 | Ride | yeah i dont so im learning from people experienced |
| 22:49.21 | Ride | good for u |
| 22:49.50 | blast007 | if you get the application to run, fill in the boxes with the right information |
| 22:49.54 | Winny | We're not here to teach you basic computer usage skills, though... |
| 22:49.58 | a_meteorite | using shortened words, aka "AOL speak" is a huge turnoff for me, I advise that you don't use that so everyone else and I continue helping you... |
| 22:50.19 | pacman87 | i wholeheartedly concur |
| 22:50.25 | blast007 | a_meteorite: lol k asl?? |
| 22:50.31 | blast007 | anyway |
| 22:51.00 | blast007 | my launcher tool will fire up a copy of the server and then run a client and connect it to the server automatically |
| 22:51.18 | a_meteorite | convenient |
| 22:51.23 | Ride | got it to work brbg |
| 22:51.37 | pacman87 | blast007: is there a command line option to tell bzflag.exe what server to join? |
| 22:51.43 | blast007 | pacman87: yeah |
| 22:51.56 | blast007 | pacman87: run bzflag.exe with -help |
| 22:52.22 | Ride | k cant find server lol |
| 22:52.34 | pacman87 | blast007: i hadn't thought to try it |
| 22:52.36 | blast007 | press Stop and read the output |
| 22:52.49 | blast007 | the server probably didn't launch because of an error in your map |
| 22:53.04 | sigonasr2 | pacman87: Use bzflag.exe pacman87:password@someserver.com |
| 22:53.12 | Ride | it says that world was not specified |
| 22:53.29 | pacman87 | sigonasr2: same syntax as bzadmin, right? |
| 22:53.35 | sigonasr2 | basically |
| 22:54.00 | blast007 | Ride: read up higher |
| 22:54.00 | awilcox | sigonasr2: someserver.com not found. :P |
| 22:54.04 | blast007 | there should be an error |
| 22:54.31 | Ride | base was not defind for red team and world not specified |
| 22:54.51 | awilcox | Ride: sounds like you have a specific error that you should be able to rectify. |
| 22:54.52 | blast007 | hmm, my code probably doesn't handle not having all the bases ;) |
| 22:54.55 | pacman87 | sigonasr2: you forgot to add :port to the end |
| 22:55.12 | awilcox | :5154! |
| 22:55.14 | sigonasr2 | well, yeah. That's just connects to 5154 if not specified |
| 22:55.53 | Ride | what |
| 22:55.59 | blast007 | Ride: do you have an options block in your map file? |
| 22:56.18 | Ride | nope |
| 22:56.22 | Ride | do i need one |
| 22:56.41 | blast007 | let me check the code quick |
| 22:56.56 | pacman87 | Ride: try saving the .bzw file to C:\Documents and Settings\*YOUR NAME*\My Documents\My BZFlag Files\worlds\YOUR_MAP_HERE.bzw, and load it from inside bzflag |
| 22:57.13 | Think_Differentl | pacman87, his username, you mean |
| 22:57.29 | pacman87 | Think_Differentl: yeah |
| 22:58.19 | blast007 | Ride: what color bases do you have in your map? |
| 22:58.33 | Ride | blue and green |
| 22:58.41 | pacman87 | Ride: launch bzflag, go to 'join game'>'start server' |
| 22:58.55 | Ride | yes then |
| 22:58.57 | pacman87 | and change the settings |
| 22:59.01 | blast007 | pacman87: that probably won't work anyway, since it's going to die with the same error |
| 22:59.07 | pacman87 | really? |
| 22:59.14 | pacman87 | lemme check one of my 2 team ctf maps |
| 22:59.17 | pacman87 | brb |
| 22:59.21 | blast007 | the in-game menu is about as complex as my application ;) |
| 22:59.38 | Ride | so what should i do? lol |
| 22:59.53 | pacman87 | no files to find, though |
| 23:00.35 | blast007 | hmm |
| 23:00.46 | blast007 | well, if he comes back, I have a solution ;) |
| 23:00.51 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:01.24 | *** join/#bzflag Ride (n=18c5fa09@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:01.29 | Ride | what should i do |
| 23:02.04 | Ride | anyone there still |
| 23:02.11 | Winny | nope |
| 23:02.15 | Ride | lol |
| 23:02.18 | Ride | :) |
| 23:02.20 | Winny | seriously |
| 23:02.27 | Winny | IRC is not IM |
| 23:02.30 | Winny | we are not always here |
| 23:02.46 | Ride | when did blast007 leav |
| 23:02.50 | Ride | *leave |
| 23:02.51 | Winny | most people let their clients idle.. for example, my client stays on 24/7, even when I'm not here |
| 23:02.53 | blast007 | Ride: okay, add this to the map, using notepad |
| 23:03.02 | blast007 | options |
| 23:03.04 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.05 | blast007 | end |
| 23:03.17 | Ride | alright do i need the - tho |
| 23:03.24 | blast007 | yes |
| 23:03.25 | Winny | yes... |
| 23:03.28 | Ride | or is that indent |
| 23:03.30 | Ride | ed |
| 23:03.35 | Ride | indented |
| 23:03.38 | Winny | doesn't matter |
| 23:03.41 | Winny | you need the - though |
| 23:03.43 | Ride | alright |
| 23:03.48 | blast007 | if you want further assistance, please install a real IRC client |
| 23:03.48 | Ride | one sec |
| 23:03.53 | Ride | at top right |
| 23:04.45 | blast007 | http://www.silverex.org/download/ <-- free IRC client that works better than the crappy web interface, and supports logging (if you turn it on) |
| 23:05.03 | blast007 | logs are great so you can then go back and review things that have been said |
| 23:05.22 | Ride | done now what |
| 23:05.46 | blast007 | try the map again, in my launcher |
| 23:05.52 | blast007 | make sure to save it too, first |
| 23:05.55 | Ride | k one sec |
| 23:05.55 | blast007 | (the map) |
| 23:07.18 | pacman87 | blast007: you were right |
| 23:07.35 | blast007 | pacman87: yeah, figured |
| 23:07.50 | Ride | IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:07.50 | blast007 | my launcher doesn't specify any -mp, and neither does the in-game launcher |
| 23:07.55 | Ride | its awsome |
| 23:07.56 | blast007 | yay :) |
| 23:08.16 | pacman87 | blast007: why does bzflag not work for this? |
| 23:08.30 | pacman87 | blast007: does it check to make sure each joinable team has a base? |
| 23:08.30 | blast007 | pacman87: hmm? |
| 23:08.36 | blast007 | yeah |
| 23:08.40 | blast007 | in CTF mode it does |
| 23:08.49 | blast007 | it's a bzfs issue |
| 23:09.05 | pacman87 | ah, probably a good sanity check, too |
| 23:09.11 | blast007 | instead of failing, it might be nice just to disable that team ;) |
| 23:09.37 | pacman87 | yeah, esp since there's not a more detailed way to input team sizes from inside bzflag |
| 23:09.42 | Ride | ahhh this is awesome now i just need to get all flags in |
| 23:09.55 | blast007 | Ride: that isn't set up to run a server online |
| 23:09.59 | blast007 | it is only for local testing |
| 23:10.04 | Ride | i know |
| 23:10.11 | pacman87 | Ride: the bzfs.conf file included in your installation should tell you everything you need to know |
| 23:10.11 | blast007 | currently, anyone that joins has full admin ;) |
| 23:10.13 | Ride | then i can get it hosted |
| 23:10.21 | Ride | im playing my bots |
| 23:10.29 | blast007 | you can put stuff in the options block for flags |
| 23:10.35 | pacman87 | Ride: i highly recommend reading it, it's very well commented |
| 23:11.13 | blast007 | there is also a bzfs manual included |
| 23:11.20 | blast007 | there should be a link to it in the start menu |
| 23:13.17 | pacman87 | blast007: i'd forgotten about that. bzflag is the first icon in my quicklaunch tray, right next to the start button :) |
| 23:14.51 | pacman87 | Ride: what's your ip addr? |
| 23:15.26 | Ride | in /set how do i change ground to mirror look |
| 23:15.45 | blast007 | /set _mirror black |
| 23:15.50 | blast007 | or one of many other colors |
| 23:15.52 | Ride | ty |
| 23:16.04 | blast007 | and to add that to the config, you can add this to the options block: |
| 23:16.06 | L4m3r | /set _mirror "0 0 0 0" |
| 23:16.09 | L4m3r | ;) |
| 23:16.12 | blast007 | -set _mirror black |
| 23:16.50 | blast007 | L4m3r: does that work better? |
| 23:17.13 | L4m3r | blast007: that makes a perfect mirror with no tint :P |
| 23:17.55 | blast007 | ah, didn't notice it was 4 values |
| 23:17.57 | blast007 | so alpha too |
| 23:18.00 | Ride | how do i make snow |
| 23:18.04 | Ride | fall |
| 23:18.46 | Ride | ne know? |
| 23:18.52 | Ride | *neone |
| 23:18.57 | blast007 | you may have to check on that one |
| 23:19.07 | blast007 | join a different server that has snow |
| 23:19.12 | blast007 | you can run the /diff command |
| 23:19.18 | blast007 | that will show you the variables they changed |
| 23:19.26 | Ride | k |
| 23:21.39 | Ride | couldnt find the variable on spldarts but he has snow |
| 23:22.02 | L4m3r | /set _rainType snow |
| 23:22.09 | L4m3r | not exactly intuitive |
| 23:24.00 | Ride | ty but tele ports dont work and i have all the links set |
| 23:26.45 | Ride | hey guys how do i save variables |
| 23:26.54 | Ride | ? |
| 23:27.00 | sigonasr2 | It's not possible |
| 23:27.07 | Winny | you put them in the options block |
| 23:27.09 | sigonasr2 | you have to change the numbers in the map file and reload it |
| 23:27.21 | Winny | Ride, as we've said before, you REALLY should read the wiki, and other documentation. |
| 23:27.43 | whodaman | Ride, the wiki has it all, go search around in there |
| 23:27.47 | Ride | alright |
| 23:28.14 | Ride | thank you for everything guys |
| 23:28.25 | *** join/#bzflag delusional (n=delusion@pool-151-201-238-184.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:28.55 | spldart | Ugh... Mr 'Ride' tried to bot up my server |
| 23:29.02 | *** join/#bzflag Potato_man (n=lee@host86-149-205-215.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:29.18 | *** part/#bzflag Potato_man (n=lee@host86-149-205-215.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:29.31 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 23:29.31 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 23:33.17 | *** join/#bzflag Potato_man (n=lee@host86-149-205-215.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:33.33 | Potato_man | hi, i have a question regarding the bzflag robot AI |
| 23:34.12 | Potato_man | how is the AI implemented? does it use a neural network? does it evolve, the more you play? |
| 23:35.07 | Constitution | it doesn't evolve afaik |
| 23:35.12 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (n=timr@68-27-84-43.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 23:35.12 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 23:35.13 | Constitution | your best bet is too read the code |
| 23:35.27 | Potato_man | hmm... |
| 23:36.22 | blast007 | Potato_man: depends which robot AI you're talking about |
| 23:36.30 | blast007 | there are at least 3 instances of AI |
| 23:36.45 | blast007 | the -solo bots in the client, the autopilot mode in the client, and the bzrobots project |
| 23:36.56 | blast007 | all of them use fixed AI, afaik |
| 23:37.14 | blast007 | bzrobots might be the only one that adapts, but I haven't done anything with that one |
| 23:37.34 | Potato_man | ill go look it up |
| 23:39.54 | *** part/#bzflag Potato_man (n=lee@host86-149-205-215.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:41.59 | awilcox | Think_Differentl: You are pinged in #bzfx. |
| 23:45.13 | *** join/#bzflag Erroneous (n=dtremena@67-131-219-2.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 23:58.40 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16590 10/trunk/bzflag/AUTHORS: |
| 23:58.40 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Credit Kyle Van Essen for new title image. |
| 23:58.40 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Credit Harry Keller for Mac DMG background image for 2.0.10. |
