| 00:03.28 | awilcox | JeffM2501: just fyi, Model.cxx and Model.h don't have newlines at end of file (and gcc hates that). |
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| 00:04.32 | ts | JeffM2501: Found the problem |
| 00:05.42 | JeffM2501 | what is it? |
| 00:06.58 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03t-s * r16587 10/trunk/bzflag/src/geometry/TankGeometryMgr.cxx: append path to mediaPath |
| 00:06.58 | ts | A + should be a += |
| 00:08.08 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:08.09 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 00:08.10 | ts | I got another question: I'm very jittery in svn trunk..is that a known problem? |
| 00:08.29 | ts | When I launch a second client my lag goes up to 2 seconds |
| 00:08.37 | blast007 | (reading the backlog, and found the right URL) http://bzgirl.bzflag.bz/decks.html |
| 00:08.42 | ts | at DTR's server |
| 00:08.52 | JeffM2501 | actualy jittery? or just that's what the lagstats thing says? |
| 00:08.53 | awilcox | blast007: \o/ thank you highly :) |
| 00:08.58 | JeffM2501 | how is the gameplay |
| 00:09.39 | ts | JeffM2501: I don't have a second player to test but what I see is that I get "nr" from time to time with 2 clients. |
| 00:10.00 | awilcox | ts: you will have me to test with in just a minute...my compile is compiling... |
| 00:10.18 | awilcox | it's already 10 mins into it, should only have 50-70 mins left |
| 00:10.35 | JeffM2501 | ts there have been lots of reports that the lag comp code has "gone wacky" |
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| 00:10.46 | JeffM2501 | but there has not been any indication that actual lag has increased |
| 00:11.40 | ts | awilcox: Heh, I have 1:11 AM here, already feeling "a bit" sleepy |
| 00:12.10 | ts | JeffM2501: What is nr being measured by? |
| 00:12.19 | awilcox | I have 19:12 here and am feeling not-at-all sleepy ;) |
| 00:12.21 | JeffM2501 | dunno |
| 00:12.25 | ts | JeffM2501: I thought nr is time from last packet to new packet. |
| 00:12.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah but the clock may be wrong :) |
| 00:12.41 | ts | so a bit independend of lagstats |
| 00:12.52 | JeffM2501 | basicly it's all been reportd, but I don't think anyone has looked into it |
| 00:12.55 | JeffM2501 | so feel free :) |
| 00:12.56 | awilcox | ooh, networking code to fix! finally. |
| 00:13.38 | awilcox | JeffM2501: You wouldn't happen to have an equivalent to an RfC describing bzflag's protocol, do you? |
| 00:13.49 | blast007 | the code ;) |
| 00:14.24 | ts | blast007: That's one of the meanest answers I've yet read :ΓΌ |
| 00:14.51 | ts | The 'code' is so odd partly. |
| 00:15.44 | ts | Also numerical unstable computations like the flying curve make the "fun" perfect. |
| 00:16.52 | ts | I thought of using a cubical spline for jumping but I'm not sure if that would be proper, either. |
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| 00:20.00 | awilcox | nn ts. |
| 00:27.33 | JeffM2501 | awilcox, there is some wiki and doc work on older versions of the protcoll |
| 00:27.45 | JeffM2501 | many current changes are undocumented. |
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| 00:37.46 | awilcox | JeffM2501: |
| 00:37.48 | awilcox | /home/andreww/bztrunk/bzflag/src/geometry/TankGeometryMgr.cxx:309: undefined reference to `OBJModel::draw()' |
| 00:37.57 | awilcox | ../geometry/.libs/libGeometry.a(TankGeometryMgr.o):/usr/include/c++/4.2.1/bits/stl_construct.h:81: more undefined references to `OBJVert::OBJVert(OBJVert const&)' follow |
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| 00:44.32 | awilcox | JeffM2501: Is my compiler still retarded or is there a code problem now? |
| 00:46.19 | JeffM2501 | awilcox, do you have all the files? |
| 00:46.23 | JeffM2501 | new ones were added |
| 00:46.33 | JeffM2501 | you probalby have autogen and config again |
| 00:46.45 | JeffM2501 | so yes.. your build system sucks |
| 00:49.41 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16588 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/Model.h src/3D/Model.cxx): newline @ eof |
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| 00:50.29 | JeffM2501 | why does gcc care about that? |
| 00:50.40 | Erroneous | catches truncated files |
| 00:51.32 | Erroneous | used to be that restoring files from tape archives could often leave truncated files, which lead to difficult-to-debug errors |
| 00:51.47 | Erroneous | so unix compilers tend to throw a warning if there's an unexpected eof |
| 00:52.17 | Erroneous | it's a bit of an anachronism these days |
| 00:52.22 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 00:52.42 | JeffM2501 | is there a compiler flag to turn it off? |
| 00:52.49 | Erroneous | probably |
| 00:53.00 | JeffM2501 | mayhaps we should do it one day |
| 00:53.06 | JeffM2501 | cus I won't remember that one |
| 00:53.19 | JeffM2501 | not when you also stipulate that the ex info has to be at the end ;) |
| 00:53.45 | Erroneous | it has to be within the last three lines, and on the last non-blank line |
| 00:53.59 | Erroneous | you may have one or two extra carriage returns |
| 00:54.07 | JeffM2501 | but not 0 |
| 00:54.18 | Erroneous | extabsettings will work fine with 0 |
| 00:54.24 | JeffM2501 | but gcc won't |
| 00:54.27 | Erroneous | right |
| 00:54.33 | JeffM2501 | that's my conundrum |
| 00:54.37 | Erroneous | maybe I should whip up a "common gcc problems" plugin :) |
| 00:54.37 | JeffM2501 | I copy and paste it |
| 00:54.42 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:54.49 | Erroneous | check for unused function params |
| 00:54.49 | JeffM2501 | I bet it'd sell like hotcakes |
| 00:54.53 | JeffM2501 | shadows |
| 00:54.54 | Erroneous | check for newline at eof |
| 00:55.00 | Erroneous | check for shadowed vars |
| 00:55.37 | JeffM2501 | can you check the case of header files? |
| 00:55.52 | JeffM2501 | and uses of \ instead of / in them |
| 00:56.13 | Erroneous | 2.1/1.2 "If a source file that is not empty does not end in a new-line character, or ends in a new-line character immediately preceded by a backslash character, the behavior is undefined". - ISO C++ standard |
| 00:56.34 | Erroneous | sure, probably could |
| 00:56.44 | Erroneous | I mean, I have access to the whole file |
| 00:56.53 | Erroneous | don't terribly want to write a full parser though ;) |
| 00:58.41 | Erroneous | ANSI is much more strict: "A source file that is not empty shall end in a new-line character, which shall not be immediately preceded by a backslash character." |
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| 00:59.21 | scgtrp | how do i turn off showing the messages in huge letters at the top of the screen? |
| 01:03.38 | Winny | can't I think |
| 01:03.56 | scgtrp | hmm. is that one against the game design too? :P |
| 01:04.12 | scgtrp | sometimes people say stupid stuff i don't want in giant letters at the top of the screen |
| 01:04.45 | Winny | silence them :) |
| 01:04.46 | brlcad | it's also simply an inconsistency in the file which can make parsing a pita by other tools -- every 'line' by definition is terminated by a newline |
| 01:05.20 | brlcad | so when the last line doesn't have it, becomes a special exception that processing tools could miss if they don't account for "newline or EOF" |
| 01:05.36 | scgtrp | Winny, i'd prefer to just turn it off entirely |
| 01:05.49 | JeffM2501 | scgtrp, that is not a feature of the software as it stands |
| 01:08.14 | KTL | linker: geometry/TankGeometryMgr.cxx:301: undefined reference to `OBJModel::draw()' |
| 01:08.24 | Erroneous | scgtrp: comment out playing.cxx:2987 and 2988 |
| 01:08.25 | KTL | geometry/TankGeometryMgr.cxx:306: undefined reference to `OBJModel::read(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&)' |
| 01:08.44 | Erroneous | KTL: re-run autogen.sh anytime recently? |
| 01:08.47 | KTL | ah right same error as previously mentioned |
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| 01:08.59 | KTL | recently: 2 days ago is not recent in this case |
| 01:09.04 | Erroneous | right :) |
| 01:09.06 | scgtrp | Erroneous, i didn't compile my own copy, but i'll remember that if i ever feel like it. thanks |
| 01:09.10 | Blizzard- | Cheater at pieinthesky, we need an admin there please |
| 01:09.26 | JeffM2501 | and people wonder why I don't use make ;) |
| 01:09.42 | Blizzard- | We need an admin at pieinthesky, coogle is there. |
| 01:09.43 | JeffM2501 | would there be some way for make to know if it was dirty or not? |
| 01:09.48 | Blizzard- | "Pie of Pus" |
| 01:10.00 | JeffM2501 | like keep an md5 of something? |
| 01:10.19 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, autogen.sh isn't make, it's autoconf or automake (keep mixing them up, don't know which). make is great, autotools suck |
| 01:10.31 | Winny | Blizzard-, just leave then |
| 01:10.44 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: brlcad can probably speak to this more than I, but I believe autotools has a way to automatically force regeneration of higher-level files, it's just super-flaky between versions |
| 01:10.44 | JeffM2501 | scgtrp, I know make isn't autogen, but I want to know if make can KNOW if autogen need to be re-run |
| 01:10.54 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 01:10.57 | KTL | pile of pus |
| 01:10.59 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, i'm sure you could make it do that |
| 01:11.01 | JeffM2501 | kdev ! |
| 01:11.04 | scgtrp | don't know how :) |
| 01:11.10 | JeffM2501 | no, I could not |
| 01:11.14 | JeffM2501 | someone like brlcad can |
| 01:11.26 | JeffM2501 | I can barely make a makefile for a one file app |
| 01:11.45 | scgtrp | s/you/someone/ |
| 01:11.53 | JeffM2501 | nope, brlcad ;) |
| 01:11.54 | Blizzard- | Can |
| 01:11.58 | Blizzard- | Someone get rid of him/ |
| 01:12.01 | Blizzard- | There's no admins there. |
| 01:12.02 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, i just have one makefile i copy for all my projects and change paths as necessary |
| 01:12.04 | JeffM2501 | not that I care much, I don't ever USE ake |
| 01:12.13 | scgtrp | don't use autotools, they're just insane |
| 01:12.21 | JeffM2501 | Blizzard-, sounds liek it's not a well admined server, we don't run servers, it would be best to find one that is better admined. |
| 01:12.33 | JeffM2501 | scgtrp, I don't use GCC |
| 01:12.33 | Erroneous | raw makefiles are completely inadequate for a project of reasonable size |
| 01:12.38 | KTL | hehe, the cheaters motivation: "because irritating people is great!" "just divine" -> hehe, same opinion :D |
| 01:12.42 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, what do you use? |
| 01:12.46 | Erroneous | autotools or some other replacement is absolutely necessary |
| 01:12.46 | JeffM2501 | not uless I can help it |
| 01:12.53 | Erroneous | (cmake, scons, etc) |
| 01:13.25 | JeffM2501 | I use cl |
| 01:13.31 | scgtrp | ? |
| 01:13.37 | JeffM2501 | at least I think it's cl |
| 01:13.41 | JeffM2501 | unless they renamed it |
| 01:13.44 | scgtrp | sounds like the microsoft thing |
| 01:13.50 | JeffM2501 | cl and link |
| 01:13.55 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 01:14.04 | Erroneous | cl runs fine in wine ;) |
| 01:14.10 | scgtrp | Erroneous, why would i do that? |
| 01:14.21 | JeffM2501 | cus the VC8 debuger rocks your world |
| 01:14.23 | scgtrp | they're all pretty much equivalent to me, they compile c files |
| 01:14.29 | Erroneous | scgtrp: if you were a masochist :) |
| 01:14.29 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, i don't use debuggers |
| 01:14.37 | scgtrp | Erroneous, that count? ^^ |
| 01:14.40 | Erroneous | then you are a fool |
| 01:14.43 | JeffM2501 | scgtrp, I'm sorry |
| 01:14.54 | scgtrp | Erroneous, no, i just prefer not to use debuggers |
| 01:15.01 | scgtrp | printf is my debugger |
| 01:15.24 | JeffM2501 | then you don't work on any sizeable proejcts in any signifigant way in any reasonable timeframe |
| 01:15.28 | Erroneous | unless you are working on extremely low-level code, a debugger is guaranteed to save time and increase productivity |
| 01:15.29 | JeffM2501 | student? |
| 01:15.41 | KTL | if it gets complicated then there is no way around asserts and a debugger i'm afraid |
| 01:16.05 | JeffM2501 | F9 -> F5 ->F10 :) |
| 01:16.46 | KTL | ? |
| 01:16.53 | JeffM2501 | oooo my cl.exe is NOT by microsoft.. HA! |
| 01:17.03 | JeffM2501 | made by Xoreax Software Ltd. |
| 01:17.04 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, no, i'm not a student (well, i am, but most of my code isn't for that) |
| 01:17.13 | scgtrp | yeah, whatever. it's still a .exe :) |
| 01:17.18 | JeffM2501 | scgtrp, so yes you are a student |
| 01:17.19 | awilcox | Erroneous: not even low-level code...even embedded kernels can break into gdb |
| 01:17.21 | KTL | cl.exe Microsoft C/C++ command line compiler |
| 01:17.22 | JeffM2501 | you will learn when you get older |
| 01:17.23 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: but it calls microsoft's :) |
| 01:17.40 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous,looks like it calls the dlls |
| 01:18.13 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, yes, you could say that. i've tried debugging before - vb (sucks, but 6.0 so i don't expect much) and gdb |
| 01:18.21 | JeffM2501 | vb |
| 01:18.22 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 01:18.23 | KTL | anyway, anything is better then make, even if it comes from the evil side |
| 01:18.28 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, that would be the student part |
| 01:18.40 | scgtrp | like i said, most of my code is written outside of school |
| 01:18.49 | JeffM2501 | like I say, you'll learn when you get a real job |
| 01:19.03 | Erroneous | awilcox: people working on kernels have an excuse. it is frequently necessary to intimately understand the code in question. working without a debugger can lead to more carefully considered and executed code. |
| 01:19.17 | scgtrp | even in vb, i use msgbox all the time instead of trying to play with the debugger |
| 01:19.26 | JeffM2501 | that'd be the student in you ;) |
| 01:19.38 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: ever tried to use vb's debugger? :) |
| 01:19.53 | JeffM2501 | never tried to use VB |
| 01:19.55 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, i wouldn't consider myself a programming student, i have one programming class and knew how to program before that |
| 01:20.02 | Erroneous | on anything but self-contained projects it's utterly crap |
| 01:20.04 | JeffM2501 | what is your major? |
| 01:20.09 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, high school |
| 01:20.15 | JeffM2501 | figured |
| 01:20.25 | JeffM2501 | what do you want to be when you grow up? |
| 01:20.36 | scgtrp | some kind of computer-related job, not sure what yet |
| 01:20.44 | scgtrp | coding is definitely an option though |
| 01:20.52 | Erroneous | trying to debug COM objects in VB is *easier* with msgbox than with the debugger :) |
| 01:20.57 | JeffM2501 | well if you do that, you'll learn the debuger then |
| 01:20.58 | KTL | (btw: i did reautogent ... still the same linker error) |
| 01:21.15 | JeffM2501 | KTL, did you run configure? |
| 01:21.18 | KTL | also |
| 01:21.33 | JeffM2501 | does geometry not link in 3d? |
| 01:21.42 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, you can't say a debugger will work better for everyone |
| 01:21.43 | KTL | src/geometry/TankGeometryMgr.cxx:301: undefined reference to `OBJModel::draw()' |
| 01:21.44 | Winny | JeffM2501, is it possible to do animations on the models yet? (tanks) |
| 01:22.01 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.19 | JeffM2501 | scgtrp, I can say that most profestioal places will expect you to use them, that is all. and at some point you should be taught how to use them. |
| 01:22.26 | JeffM2501 | Winny, treads only |
| 01:22.31 | scgtrp | <JeffM2501> cus the VC8 debuger rocks your world << rocks *your* world maybe, not necessarily everyone else's |
| 01:22.31 | KTL | (/me running the whole ./autogen.sh && ./configure --disable-bzadmin --disable-robot && make -j2 again ) |
| 01:22.32 | JeffM2501 | Winny, UV animation |
| 01:22.40 | Winny | ah |
| 01:22.44 | JeffM2501 | scgtrp, it does, you just don't know it yet ;) |
| 01:22.50 | JeffM2501 | you'll see when you get tehre |
| 01:23.07 | JeffM2501 | Winny, the only other animation off the bat MAY be spinning wheels, that's it |
| 01:23.15 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, i hate IDEs and debuggers :) |
| 01:23.23 | scgtrp | it's called *preference* |
| 01:23.30 | Erroneous | get over it, debugging is a better way to work |
| 01:23.34 | JeffM2501 | anything other then fixed rigid body stuff requires smething |
| 01:23.37 | Erroneous | it's called *efficiency* |
| 01:23.42 | scgtrp | i use linux because i prefer it, not because it's better or worse than windows for everything |
| 01:23.45 | JeffM2501 | scgtrp, and you'll learn that prefrence gives way to PAYCHECK ;) |
| 01:23.50 | scgtrp | Erroneous, efficiency is also per-person |
| 01:24.06 | JeffM2501 | Winny, what kind of anims do you want? |
| 01:24.26 | JeffM2501 | KTL, I'm betting that the geometry lib isn't linking to 3d or somthing like that |
| 01:24.29 | Winny | JeffM2501, treads and wheels, like you mentioned |
| 01:24.34 | KTL | i'm a strong fan of emacs, but i'm getting more and more trouble of building huge things in it, i am forced to use eclipse nowadays |
| 01:24.40 | Erroneous | scgtrp: a person trained in debugger use can find problems *many* times faster than the fastest person who does not use a debugger |
| 01:24.41 | JeffM2501 | is the error when linking on bzflag? |
| 01:24.57 | KTL | JeffM2501, still the same error, yes, while linking bzflag |
| 01:24.59 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, you're saying that a company not only cares what code i write (expected that, can't go in and write hello world all day and get paid for it), but how i write it too? |
| 01:24.59 | JeffM2501 | Winny, wheels are currently disabled, they will probably need a tank def file of some sort |
| 01:25.12 | Erroneous | scgtrp: and it's even more important when you're not the only person working on a project |
| 01:25.14 | JeffM2501 | scgtrp, ohh heck yeah |
| 01:25.18 | scgtrp | Erroneous, in most cases, probably |
| 01:25.35 | JeffM2501 | you may not be the perosn that maintains that code |
| 01:25.38 | JeffM2501 | so hey most certanly care |
| 01:25.48 | JeffM2501 | that's why I say it's the student in you, used to working alone |
| 01:25.49 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, that wouldn't matter |
| 01:25.51 | Erroneous | 'cause while you may understand your own code perfectly today, you will not understand your buddy in the cube next to you, or code you wrote ten years ago |
| 01:26.04 | JeffM2501 | scgtrp, you'll see when you grow up, don't wory ;) |
| 01:26.29 | JeffM2501 | trust me. I was in the exact same boat as you man |
| 01:26.35 | scgtrp | Erroneous, this isn't a discussion about commenting code, it's a discussion about debuggers. whether a person used a debugger 10 years ago is irrelevant to whether they understand the code now |
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| 01:27.01 | awilcox | scgtrp: you don't *have* to use an IDE but you *have* to use a debugger at some point in time -- and Erroneous, I said kernel devs *use* debuggers. not even kernels are an excuse to not use it |
| 01:27.04 | JeffM2501 | its also about how you solve the problems, and how you work WITH people |
| 01:27.11 | Erroneous | scgtrp: no, ten years from now, when you don't understand the code, the debugger will help a huge amount |
| 01:27.33 | Winny | JeffM2501, hmm.. more of a decoration, but what about tank "lights" that turn on at <xtime>, defined in the OBJ? (they could probably just be textured plains) |
| 01:27.34 | awilcox | scgtrp: I used gdb to find out the problem with my kernel's memory manager. do you KNOW how long that would have taken without gdb? |
| 01:27.35 | scgtrp | awilcox, they sometimes are, i've done kernels |
| 01:27.47 | JeffM2501 | KTL, bzflag should be linking to 3d, and 3d contains the OBJModel class |
| 01:27.57 | JeffM2501 | Winny, nope |
| 01:27.57 | Erroneous | awilcox: http://lwn.net/2000/0914/a/lt-debugger.php3 |
| 01:28.02 | Winny | darn |
| 01:28.07 | JeffM2501 | oBJs don't support animation |
| 01:28.10 | KTL | euhm ... 10 years from now we might be working a lot more declarative that do the debugging in dialog style with the dev |
| 01:28.15 | scgtrp | awilcox, maybe longer for you, but i would have spent half that time trying to figure out how to make gdb do a certain thing i wanted it to do |
| 01:28.19 | KTL | JeffM2501, what can i do about it? :D |
| 01:28.24 | Erroneous | KTL: that's what they said 30 years ago ;) |
| 01:28.33 | Winny | JeffM2501, no, I'm saying, have a light (basically a textured plain), that is drawn only at night |
| 01:28.35 | scgtrp | and debugging is about finding and fixing bugs, not learning to use a new program |
| 01:28.36 | JeffM2501 | KTL, I don't know. I didn't do the makefile for it. I guess ask Erroneous to look at it. |
| 01:28.54 | JeffM2501 | Winny, how do you define in the OBJ that, THAT face is drawn at ngiht ;) |
| 01:29.04 | JeffM2501 | obj is just a list of faces |
| 01:29.10 | Winny | a seperate OBJ :p |
| 01:29.10 | KTL | well, i know a company in brussels that has done ... if i can belief them... bridged that gap between bussiness requirements and actual implementation in a declarative way |
| 01:29.13 | Erroneous | scgtrp: learning a tool, you only have to do ONCE. understanding code, you will have to do all your life |
| 01:29.17 | JeffM2501 | Winny, too specific |
| 01:29.23 | scgtrp | anyway, the visual studio debuggers are way better than gdb, i'll say that |
| 01:29.23 | JeffM2501 | maybe later when we do a def fine |
| 01:29.29 | JeffM2501 | then you can specifcy what file does what |
| 01:29.36 | Erroneous | it pays off BIG time to learn how to use a debugger (and profiler, and memory monitor) effectively |
| 01:29.38 | JeffM2501 | right now it's using hardcoded groups and names. |
| 01:29.44 | scgtrp | Erroneous, once, and then again when you forget it, and then again... etc. |
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| 01:30.08 | Erroneous | scgtrp: what are you more likely to forget? the code, that you haven't seen in 10 years, or the tool, that you use daily? |
| 01:30.21 | scgtrp | Erroneous, i don't write code *that* bad |
| 01:30.33 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, hehe, i'm quite bored atm :) |
| 01:30.41 | JeffM2501 | it was more then you |
| 01:30.43 | Erroneous | scgtrp: like JeffM2501 said...you will understand better when you work on a multi-million SLOC project with an actual team |
| 01:30.46 | JeffM2501 | comoon trend |
| 01:31.06 | KTL | JeffM2501, did you implement a wavefront loader in bzflag?? :D |
| 01:31.14 | Erroneous | scgtrp: you may not, but the guy you work with WILL, I guarantee it |
| 01:31.17 | JeffM2501 | unless you were making code when you were 6, you have't tried to look at 10 year old code you wrote ;) |
| 01:31.26 | JeffM2501 | KTL, like 4 of them |
| 01:31.28 | KTL | *JOY* |
| 01:31.34 | Erroneous | and when he quits and you have to maintain his code, you better be able to handle it |
| 01:31.48 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, only html and copied-and-pasted javascript, and i don't have any of that anymore |
| 01:31.56 | JeffM2501 | the one winny is talkking about is like the second one to be IN bzflag proper |
| 01:32.19 | JeffM2501 | the fish missle code is sadly lost |
| 01:32.28 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, you are older then him too |
| 01:32.30 | Winny | fish missile? |
| 01:32.33 | scgtrp | i still don't see how a debugger will help me understand code any better than some well-placed comments |
| 01:32.35 | JeffM2501 | fish missile! |
| 01:32.42 | Winny | So we can actually whack people over the head with a smelly trout? :p |
| 01:32.50 | JeffM2501 | scgtrp, we know you don't see how. it's ok, you will learn. no bigigie. |
| 01:33.06 | Erroneous | scgtrp: who said anything about comments? that guy didn't comment anything either ;) |
| 01:33.19 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, i was kind of expecting something resembling an explanation from that, but... ok |
| 01:33.27 | JeffM2501 | Winny, there is a patch on SF ( cus tim didn't like it ) that drew the GM as an exteranl model. |
| 01:33.30 | JeffM2501 | one model was a fish |
| 01:33.37 | scgtrp | Erroneous, how will it help understand code at all? |
| 01:33.42 | Erroneous | scgtrp: also, comments don't make as much sense after ten years pass |
| 01:33.45 | Winny | haha, awesome |
| 01:33.47 | JeffM2501 | scgtrp, if you'd use one you'd see ;) |
| 01:33.52 | Erroneous | there's a lot of context that gets lost |
| 01:33.54 | KTL | scgtrp, that debugger can tell you where the code crashed, what the backtrace is till the point of crash, why it crashes too |
| 01:33.54 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, i have used them |
| 01:34.01 | JeffM2501 | Winny, the other was a missile with a smily face |
| 01:34.03 | Erroneous | debuggers show you the full program flow |
| 01:34.13 | scgtrp | KTL, i doubt code would be around for 10 years if it had any bugs in it |
| 01:34.18 | Winny | the person who made that patch was a twisted person |
| 01:34.19 | Erroneous | HAH |
| 01:34.26 | Erroneous | scgtrp: seen windows recently? |
| 01:34.32 | Winny | or BZFlag? :p |
| 01:34.33 | scgtrp | uhh, let me rephrase that |
| 01:34.34 | Erroneous | or bzflag! |
| 01:34.39 | Winny | Erroneous, I win! |
| 01:34.39 | JeffM2501 | scgtrp, then it's ok that you didn't get it. you don't have a volume of large project experience. it's understandable. you may feel difrent in 5 years, is all we are saying ;) |
| 01:34.40 | Winny | :p |
| 01:34.42 | scgtrp | actually, no, i can't rephrase that :) |
| 01:34.49 | KTL | scgtrp, and after the debuggers comes the memory leak checker, valgrind, can save you weeks of time searching, can be the only way to find the subtle origin of horrific memory problems |
| 01:34.58 | scgtrp | Winny, i've never had bzflag crash |
| 01:35.07 | Erroneous | and profilers, that tell you exactly what part of your code is being slow |
| 01:35.09 | Winny | so? |
| 01:35.16 | JeffM2501 | then you obviously don't use ATI on linux ;) |
| 01:35.17 | scgtrp | a memory leak checker sounds useful, that i couldn't do with a load of printf |
| 01:35.19 | Erroneous | tools are a huge part of being an effective developer |
| 01:35.37 | scgtrp | i've done profiling with printf, not a problem at all |
| 01:35.40 | Erroneous | yes it is |
| 01:35.43 | JeffM2501 | AHAH |
| 01:35.46 | JeffM2501 | printf takes time |
| 01:35.46 | Erroneous | printf adds time |
| 01:35.49 | scgtrp | Erroneous, again, for you :) |
| 01:36.05 | Erroneous | unless you have some magic instantaneous printf :) |
| 01:36.11 | scgtrp | true :) |
| 01:36.13 | Erroneous | querying the time takes time |
| 01:36.14 | KTL | and it is simply a lot easier to run the program once with the debugger then commenting/uncommenting 10 printfs for every error |
| 01:36.16 | Erroneous | printing it takes time |
| 01:36.31 | Erroneous | examining the logs is a pain in the ass when you have 30,000 calls to a single function |
| 01:36.42 | scgtrp | ok, let's assume for a minute that the debugger is the single most useful program ever created |
| 01:36.42 | KTL | ah right too, the software runs a lot slower due to the output generation |
| 01:36.42 | JeffM2501 | I"m all dressed up with nowhere to go... walking with a dead man over my shoulder. |
| 01:36.47 | JeffM2501 | it's not |
| 01:36.53 | scgtrp | ever tried to run a python program through gdb? :) |
| 01:36.57 | awilcox | scgtrp: read this, even with comments, and tell me you understand it without a debugger :P http://awos.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/awos/trunk/src/kernel/malloc.c?revision=261&view=markup&pathrev=270 |
| 01:36.58 | JeffM2501 | the rock your owld was a joke skip |
| 01:37.19 | Erroneous | you don't run a python program through gdb :) you run it through pdb |
| 01:37.26 | Erroneous | there is a python debugger |
| 01:37.31 | Erroneous | use it for python :) |
| 01:37.33 | KTL | scgtrp, maybe mmm ... the people here are used to lower level languages, c, c++, close to the cpu |
| 01:37.48 | KTL | Erroneous, tnx for the info :D |
| 01:38.01 | scgtrp | KTL, i've done that too, gdb does run better on c++ :) |
| 01:38.04 | Erroneous | gdb is used for c, c++, fortran and asm (and maybe others if there's a backend for it) |
| 01:38.47 | scgtrp | it's a bit annoying on assembly though, as it always shows it in at&t syntax :( |
| 01:39.02 | Erroneous | only annoying if you find at&t annoying :) |
| 01:39.08 | JeffM2501 | KTL, do you have the model.cxx file? |
| 01:39.27 | KTL | find | grep model.cxx gives no output ... |
| 01:39.29 | JeffM2501 | and have you done a make clean? |
| 01:39.36 | JeffM2501 | look in src/3d/ |
| 01:39.40 | Erroneous | Model.cxx |
| 01:39.46 | Erroneous | case-sensitive JeffM2501 :) |
| 01:39.54 | KTL | Model.cxx |
| 01:39.57 | scgtrp | Erroneous, it's annoying when you wrote all your assembly in intel syntax and hate at&t :) |
| 01:39.59 | KTL | it is there |
| 01:40.00 | BerntH | ok who broke the test server... |
| 01:40.03 | BerntH | Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. |
| 01:40.05 | JeffM2501 | did you do a make clean? |
| 01:40.13 | KTL | havent done make clean :( |
| 01:40.21 | JeffM2501 | you may have obj files from an old build |
| 01:40.26 | scgtrp | awilcox, just looked at that code, i understand malloc fine, although it probably would have taken me longer if it wasn't commented |
| 01:40.29 | JeffM2501 | it may be looking in TankGeometryManager for it |
| 01:40.36 | JeffM2501 | and it moved to Model |
| 01:40.47 | JeffM2501 | that'd be the first thiung to try |
| 01:40.55 | KTL | i might have to steal my fathers quad core if this continues :D |
| 01:41.05 | Erroneous | KTL: distcc! |
| 01:41.08 | scgtrp | btw awilcox, is that your code? |
| 01:41.08 | JeffM2501 | BerntH, welcome to development code, get it into a debuger |
| 01:41.11 | BerntH | bt http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m28ad3fd |
| 01:41.17 | awilcox | scgtrp: yes, it is. |
| 01:41.19 | JeffM2501 | KTL, it's dev code it's oing to change. |
| 01:41.21 | KTL | Erroneous, dont the machines have to be very similar? |
| 01:41.29 | Erroneous | KTL: same architecture |
| 01:41.30 | awilcox | scgtrp: hehe, go for awos/trunk/src/kernel and hit up the kernel code ;) |
| 01:41.38 | scgtrp | you have a stray semicolon on line 204 :) |
| 01:41.43 | KTL | this is my only 64 bit :) |
| 01:41.45 | JeffM2501 | BerntH, how old is your build? |
| 01:41.49 | Erroneous | KTL: so if it's like a sun box or something, then no :) |
| 01:41.56 | scgtrp | awilcox, i've done kernel stuff before, never got very far though |
| 01:42.03 | BerntH | 37 minutes |
| 01:42.05 | scgtrp | linux code is impossible for me though |
| 01:42.11 | Erroneous | KTL: you can install the amd64 compiler on it and do crosscompile via distcc |
| 01:42.21 | Erroneous | it's just more complex |
| 01:42.37 | BerntH | http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m72e5813c |
| 01:42.39 | Erroneous | BerntH: heh, this=0x0 ... that's no good :) |
| 01:42.44 | BerntH | um yeah :) |
| 01:42.47 | BerntH | null pointer boink |
| 01:42.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:43.22 | KTL | *ostentatively* |
| 01:43.28 | BerntH | backtrace above ^^ |
| 01:43.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah I know |
| 01:43.49 | JeffM2501 | I wanted to see who else |
| 01:44.04 | JeffM2501 | whoa |
| 01:44.05 | scgtrp | JeffM2501, grep would have worked just as well :) |
| 01:44.11 | scgtrp | oh, wait. windows user |
| 01:44.12 | scgtrp | :P |
| 01:44.25 | JeffM2501 | scgtrp, you mean CTL + Shift + F? |
| 01:44.27 | JeffM2501 | worked fine |
| 01:44.41 | JeffM2501 | as well as the right click to get a callers graph |
| 01:44.45 | scgtrp | is that search all files? |
| 01:44.57 | JeffM2501 | it is search files in ether the project or solution |
| 01:44.57 | BerntH | ts broke it :) |
| 01:44.59 | BerntH | 2008-02-13T23:57:32Z Identify TS |
| 01:44.59 | BerntH | 2008-02-13T23:57:32Z MSG-DIRECT 6:SERVER 2:ts Global login approved! |
| 01:44.59 | BerntH | 2008-02-13T23:57:32Z Set player (ts [0]) bzId to (1194) |
| 01:44.59 | BerntH | 2008-02-13T23:57:34Z SERVER-STATUS Dead |
| 01:45.48 | Erroneous | hm, looks to me like it should work. |
| 01:45.55 | JeffM2501 | if get dosn't fail |
| 01:46.04 | Erroneous | BerntH: "p numFlags" in frame 1 please |
| 01:46.17 | KTL | AAAAA |
| 01:46.21 | KTL | still the same error |
| 01:46.26 | BerntH | hmm looks like it was yesterday's build actually that died |
| 01:46.41 | Erroneous | net stuff hasn't changed, I don't think |
| 01:46.47 | BerntH | since the timestamp is 23:57:34... new bzfs built at 03:04 |
| 01:46.55 | BerntH | so I don't have the old bzfs anymore... :/ |
| 01:47.07 | BerntH | oh yes I do... |
| 01:47.11 | scgtrp | anyway, cya, have fun with your debuggers :) |
| 01:47.13 | *** part/#bzflag scgtrp (n=mike@c-71-203-182-43.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 01:47.17 | Winny | heh |
| 01:47.28 | awilcox | So, do I need to svn up again or can Linux people not use bz? :P |
| 01:47.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah we should always fill in flaglist |
| 01:47.35 | JeffM2501 | unless new fails |
| 01:47.38 | Erroneous | hm, actually this is not good |
| 01:47.50 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, thats why I went up one |
| 01:47.57 | BerntH | bt with the 'right' bzfs binary |
| 01:47.59 | BerntH | http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m2c731665 |
| 01:48.01 | JeffM2501 | the flag is null |
| 01:48.04 | Erroneous | ahh |
| 01:48.18 | Erroneous | hm, still the same |
| 01:48.37 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: yeah, that's why I was in frame 1 |
| 01:48.38 | BerntH | (gdb) p numFlags |
| 01:48.38 | BerntH | $1 = 68 |
| 01:48.48 | BerntH | or is there some other magic to get 'frame 1' |
| 01:48.58 | Erroneous | nope, that's right |
| 01:49.06 | JeffM2501 | then how did flagIndex get to 68? |
| 01:49.09 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl be 67 |
| 01:49.11 | Erroneous | dunno |
| 01:49.24 | Erroneous | and why is ts in a block that should only run for SSBs in the first place? |
| 01:49.28 | BerntH | it's just a standard random map |
| 01:49.40 | Erroneous | if (playerData->playerHandler) { ... } else { this code } |
| 01:49.48 | JeffM2501 | he's in the else |
| 01:49.53 | JeffM2501 | the else is standard players |
| 01:49.58 | JeffM2501 | playerHandler is SSB |
| 01:50.01 | Erroneous | urg, playerHandler is a bad name then |
| 01:50.49 | Erroneous | hm, I dunno how it's getting to 68 though |
| 01:57.25 | BerntH | JeffM2501: why is numFlags being incremented in this loop? |
| 01:57.27 | BerntH | 91 for (int flagIndex = 0; flagIndex < numFlags; flagIndex++) |
| 01:57.27 | BerntH | 92 { |
| 01:57.27 | BerntH | 93 if (FlagInfo::get(flagIndex)->exist()) |
| 01:57.27 | BerntH | 94 numFlags++; |
| 01:57.30 | BerntH | 95 } |
| 01:57.42 | awilcox | BerntH: refer to lines/codefiles. paste is bad. |
| 01:57.51 | BerntH | awilcox: (sorry) |
| 01:58.43 | awilcox | :o you == Thumper_? |
| 01:58.48 | Thumper_ | affirmative |
| 02:00.25 | KTL | s/will// |
| 02:01.20 | KTL | there simply is no normal tank in existence with such an enormous turret, that would be a mortar |
| 02:01.27 | KTL | http://www.tankzone.co.uk/images/dragon/35/61012.jpg |
| 02:01.30 | KTL | http://kofler.dot.at/40k/units/Imperial_Guard_Cadian_Medusa.jpg |
| 02:02.47 | KTL | the jumping part is still a bit unrealistic :D |
| 02:02.48 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, yeah but it should not go PAST the max |
| 02:02.52 | JeffM2501 | it's a < not a <= |
| 02:03.03 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: yes but we're increasing the max in the loop? |
| 02:03.15 | JeffM2501 | OH CRAP |
| 02:03.22 | JeffM2501 | that's not good |
| 02:03.27 | Thumper_ | didn't think so |
| 02:05.04 | awilcox | oh s***! :P |
| 02:05.09 | KTL | language! :D |
| 02:05.33 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16589 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsMessages.cxx: use a temp var for the computation of actual flag count. not the global MAX |
| 02:05.36 | JeffM2501 | there |
| 02:05.45 | Thumper_ | ok... |
| 02:05.58 | awilcox | (Also, for(int flagIndex = 0; ++flagIndex < numFlags;) would be more optimised.) |
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| 02:06.37 | Thumper_ | awilcox: you don't think the C compiler will optimize that well enough? |
| 02:07.19 | awilcox | Thumper_: sorry. I'm just used to kernel developing where every *cycle* matters |
| 02:07.58 | Thumper_ | I'd be curious if the C optimized assembly code is actually different in those two |
| 02:09.06 | JeffM2501 | I never tested on maps with flags |
| 02:09.34 | JeffM2501 | KTL, I didn't see, did your rebuild help? |
| 02:09.39 | KTL | no, same error |
| 02:09.45 | KTL | and erroneous left |
| 02:09.47 | JeffM2501 | hmm then sorry but I'm out of ideas |
| 02:09.49 | Thumper_ | Thanks JeffM2501 |
| 02:09.54 | KTL | and i go sleep too |
| 02:09.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah he has church group now |
| 02:10.19 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, or any other nixe may be albe to help |
| 02:10.30 | JeffM2501 | I just mentioned erroious cus he was like HERE |
| 02:10.36 | JeffM2501 | in the room and stuff |
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| 02:19.22 | awilcox | Thumper_: haha! http://pastey.net/82148 |
| 02:19.23 | KTL | SturmmΓΆrser Tiger: http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/pictured/st801.jpg, http://www.battletanks.com/images/Sturmmoeser_APG-1.jpg |
| 02:19.47 | awilcox | Thumper_: the one on the top is for(int flagIndex = 0; flagIndex < numFlags; flagIndex++) |
| 02:19.53 | KTL | awilcox, how did you generate that output??? |
| 02:19.59 | awilcox | the one below is for(int flagIndex = 0; flagIndex++ < numFlags;) |
| 02:20.09 | awilcox | KTL: objdump -d a.out > test1.disasm |
| 02:20.47 | awilcox | remember I am a *kernel hacker*, I know my way around binutils :P |
| 02:20.53 | awilcox | You're...welcome? |
| 02:20.57 | KTL | :D |
| 02:20.59 | Thumper_ | awilcox: which compiler and what -O level? |
| 02:21.08 | awilcox | Thumper_: standard GCC |
| 02:21.13 | awilcox | gcc -std=c99 test1.c |
| 02:21.19 | awilcox | defaults to -O2, I assume |
| 02:24.08 | Thumper_ | awilcox: cool. thx :) |
| 02:28.03 | JeffM2501 | BerntH, that did fix the crash right? |
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| 02:28.46 | BerntH | haven't tested it yet - will in a minute |
| 02:28.49 | BerntH | server is up again |
| 02:28.54 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 02:29.07 | JeffM2501 | I'd just like to know before I go home |
| 02:29.14 | JeffM2501 | cus if not I can work on it at dinner |
| 02:29.15 | BerntH | it should fix it |
| 02:30.48 | BerntH | I can join and it doesn't crash - but I can't see any flags... |
| 02:30.53 | BerntH | but my bzflag client isn't up to date |
| 02:31.04 | JeffM2501 | how old? |
| 02:31.17 | BerntH | Feb 10th |
| 02:31.25 | JeffM2501 | should be fine |
| 02:31.35 | JeffM2501 | I'll check the flag packer |
| 02:31.50 | BerntH | the server thinks it has flags |
| 02:31.56 | BerntH | just can't see any on radar or out the window |
| 02:32.03 | BerntH | I'llbuild a new client... and try again |
| 02:32.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's probably not sending them to the client |
| 02:32.09 | JeffM2501 | doubt it'll change it |
| 02:32.15 | BerntH | ok |
| 02:32.22 | JeffM2501 | I redid all the message packs |
| 02:32.43 | BerntH | at least it doesn't crash :) |
| 02:33.03 | BerntH | that server is recompiled and rebuilt at 00:00 UTC daily |
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| 02:51.33 | spldart | Now that's some network issues |
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| 02:57.54 | JeffM | who's zoomin who? |
| 02:59.03 | JeffM | allright flag pack |
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| 03:14.26 | JeffM | hmmm I see flags on my local server |
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| 03:55.31 | JeffM | anyone got a current trunk client? |
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| 04:14.35 | JeffM | anyone with windows want to try a VC8 bin for me? |
| 04:20.57 | JeffM | is everyone dead? |
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| 04:22.14 | hamburger | NickServ IDENTIFY <school> |
| 04:22.32 | JeffM | umm dude, you forgot a slash |
| 04:22.36 | JeffM | and change your password |
| 04:22.40 | JeffM | NOW ;) |
| 04:22.47 | hamburger | thanks jeff ;) |
| 04:23.16 | JeffM | wasn't a very strong password anyway |
| 04:23.29 | hamburger | lol.. i change from time to time |
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| 04:35.15 | DTRemenak | JeffM: whatcha need? |
| 04:35.25 | JeffM | I forget now |
| 04:35.28 | JeffM | :) |
| 04:35.34 | JeffM | tho release build seems kerbusted |
| 04:35.50 | DTRemenak | meh, noone builds release :P |
| 04:35.57 | JeffM | I just tried |
| 04:36.01 | JeffM | link errors |
| 04:36.18 | JeffM | like 3d can't find FT, and game can't find the stuff in net |
| 04:36.44 | JeffM | I found the flag problem I think tho |
| 04:37.34 | DTRemenak | probably the wrong lib name for ft |
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| 04:59.55 | JeffM | the flag thing was me being stupid |
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| 06:13.20 | bz80 | would anyone mind helping with a map problem? |
| 06:13.31 | sigonasr2 | Go for it |
| 06:14.06 | bz80 | I can't get my tanks to respawn in the zones I've set up for them. Is my syntax incorrect...? |
| 06:14.32 | bz80 | zone |
| 06:14.44 | bz80 | position 0 50 0 |
| 06:14.53 | bz80 | size 100 100 0 |
| 06:15.00 | bz80 | team 1 |
| 06:15.06 | bz80 | end |
| 06:15.15 | sigonasr2 | This will make the red players spawn in that zone |
| 06:15.34 | bz80 | that's what I thought but they keep respawning on their base |
| 06:15.42 | bz80 | it is on top of a meshbox |
| 06:15.50 | sigonasr2 | Do you have -sb enabled? |
| 06:16.02 | bz80 | yeah |
| 06:16.12 | sigonasr2 | ok, well, is it a CTF map? |
| 06:16.37 | sigonasr2 | If it's the first spawn, they will spawn on their base, then afterward on their zone |
| 06:17.09 | bz80 | http://cl1p.net/bzflag/ |
| 06:17.11 | bz80 | okay |
| 06:17.37 | bz80 | that makes sense. Does a user have to be present for that color of flag to appear? |
| 06:17.44 | sigonasr2 | yes |
| 06:17.55 | sigonasr2 | interesting...a hockey map.... |
| 06:18.29 | bz80 | yeah |
| 06:18.31 | sigonasr2 | I see an error in your zone...An extra 'flag' option with no argument |
| 06:18.38 | sigonasr2 | zone |
| 06:18.38 | sigonasr2 | name red_respawn_zone |
| 06:18.40 | sigonasr2 | position 0 50 0 |
| 06:18.40 | bz80 | thanks |
| 06:18.42 | sigonasr2 | size 100 100 0 |
| 06:18.44 | sigonasr2 | team 1 |
| 06:18.46 | sigonasr2 | flag |
| 06:18.48 | sigonasr2 | end |
| 06:19.06 | sigonasr2 | heh, I made a hockey map :P |
| 06:19.27 | bz80 | I was playing a hockey map online a few days ago and can't find it anymore. I'm trying to re-create it. The idea is to take the flag from the middle and get it to your base on the other side. |
| 06:19.40 | bz80 | ...past the other team |
| 06:19.53 | bz80 | ...so you respawn on the opposite side from your base |
| 06:19.59 | sigonasr2 | mmhmm...and do you know who the creator of this map is? :D |
| 06:20.03 | bz80 | no |
| 06:20.12 | bz80 | it was awesome so I want to keep playing |
| 06:20.18 | bz80 | but it's gone |
| 06:20.29 | sigonasr2 | I made this map. It is on a server called Twilight. It is a mapchange server, so we eventually change it. I can put it back up if you'd like. |
| 06:20.41 | bz80 | that would be great |
| 06:20.57 | sigonasr2 | There |
| 06:21.21 | bz80 | AWESOME!! |
| 06:21.47 | bz80 | tell me, how is it that you get a green tank on there that doesn't do anything? Bot? |
| 06:22.12 | bz80 | *blue |
| 06:22.18 | sigonasr2 | Well, we do have an idle limit of 999999 seconds so players can do it themselves, but generally you just open up a new client and put it in |
| 06:22.34 | sigonasr2 | If an administrator's on, usually we do it, but sometimes the players have to manage it |
| 06:23.03 | bz80 | oh okay |
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| 12:38.39 | short_circuit | @ the discussion a few hours ago: heh :-) I should dust off my 'Air Hockey map of 2 and a half years ago finish it :-D |
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| 13:30.21 | KTL | trepans code |
| 13:31.16 | donny_baker | ktl what more is needed than color on radar... pretty easy to see friendlies :P |
| 13:33.09 | KTL | it's about reflexes too, my brain needs a bit of rewiring to check for the right people, in that time i tk a lot |
| 13:33.17 | donny_baker | :) |
| 13:34.22 | donny_baker | i'm not saying it's a bad idea... i just don't think it will reduce TKing a lot |
| 13:34.34 | donny_baker | most of it is by people who never look at radar |
| 13:34.52 | KTL | yes, it should help people who are a bit more aware of the situation :D |
| 13:35.31 | KTL | and those that are not ... well those are just so slow that default evasive movements should help me escape their tking |
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| 15:12.58 | rtfm | KTL: iirc, 2.99.x has an option to disable friendly kills |
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| 15:30.21 | KTL | rtfm, as a server configuration i supose? |
| 15:30.27 | KTL | suppose* |
| 15:35.44 | rtfm | yeah |
| 15:40.03 | ruskie | afaik that's possible even in 2.0 |
| 15:40.12 | ruskie | and possibly earier |
| 15:43.40 | rtfm | ruskie: nope |
| 15:43.56 | rtfm | you can't make bullets not kill teammates in 2.0 |
| 15:44.42 | ruskie | rtfm, go rtfm |
| 15:44.46 | ruskie | man bzfs |
| 15:44.56 | ruskie | and search for -tk option |
| 15:45.05 | rtfm | now, actually READ that, please |
| 15:45.16 | rtfm | it only makes it so that YOU don't die when YOU kill a teammate |
| 15:45.32 | ruskie | ahh |
| 15:45.41 | ruskie | misread... |
| 15:45.52 | ruskie | specificaly misread you |
| 15:47.45 | bz48 | http://wh8.myminicity.com |
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| 17:15.48 | BerntH | JeffM: rebuilding the client fixed the flag display on the radar in trunk |
| 17:15.54 | JeffM | cool |
| 17:16.02 | BerntH | but then it crashed again when I left |
| 17:16.07 | JeffM | yeah I saw that |
| 17:16.13 | JeffM | I was trying to test it last night |
| 17:16.22 | JeffM | I setup a server with flags and had no issues |
| 17:17.24 | BerntH | I can get a backtrace if you like |
| 17:17.33 | JeffM | that'd be nice |
| 17:19.16 | BerntH | crash backtrace http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m626e6651 |
| 17:19.31 | JeffM | you know we have our own pastebin right? |
| 17:19.36 | JeffM | pastebin.bzflag.bz |
| 17:19.50 | BerntH | guess not :) |
| 17:20.11 | JeffM | hmm that's a wierd one |
| 17:20.26 | JeffM | like you got droped in the middle of a send |
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| 18:54.47 | septillion | HELLO |
| 18:54.56 | whodaman- | hi... |
| 18:55.21 | septillion | someone is here are u ok |
| 18:55.49 | SpazzyMcGee | There are 71 of us. |
| 18:55.55 | septillion | do play this tank game |
| 18:56.26 | whodaman- | SpazzyMcGee, ChanServ doesn't count :p |
| 18:56.59 | septillion | why cant i see anyone talking apart from me and you |
| 18:57.05 | SpazzyMcGee | Most people here probbably play / develop / make maps |
| 18:57.21 | SpazzyMcGee | Because they, er, aren't talking? |
| 18:57.39 | septillion | id love to play but cant find the link to the game |
| 18:57.49 | whodaman- | What Operating System? |
| 18:59.22 | SpazzyMcGee | septillion: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Download |
| 19:03.33 | JeffM | so you didn't see the "download" link on the www.bzflag.org page? |
| 19:03.37 | JeffM | do we need to make that bigger? |
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| 19:47.41 | ts | Does anyone know what the official W32 2.0.10 version reply is? |
| 19:48.21 | ts | Is it Version: 2.0.10.20071116-MAINT-W32VC71 ? |
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| 19:50.12 | Constitution | yep |
| 19:51.26 | ts | Sourceforge says it came out November 15, 2007 |
| 19:51.37 | ts | 15 = 16? o.O |
| 19:51.58 | ruskie | well it depends when it got built :) |
| 19:53.18 | ts | Was it built in the future and the posted in the past? |
| 19:53.42 | ts | Don't tell me it's the timezones. |
| 19:53.55 | ruskie | possibly :) |
| 19:55.31 | ts | Mean SF |
| 19:56.09 | Constitution | JeffM had to update the binary IIRC |
| 19:57.00 | Constitution | some library or packaging error |
| 19:59.17 | ts | Ah, that could be it |
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| 20:49.28 | JeffM | yeah it was updated a couple times |
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| 20:52.47 | jftsang | JeffM, do you know where I can find config.h |
| 20:52.56 | jftsang | it is being #included by common.h |
| 20:53.56 | blast007 | jftsang: what are you building with? |
| 20:54.13 | blast007 | and what version of the code? |
| 20:54.16 | jftsang | (please don't end your clauses with prepositions) MSVC8ee |
| 20:54.21 | jftsang | 2.0.11 |
| 20:55.10 | blast007 | it's in the VC8 directory |
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| 20:55.23 | JeffM | each VC has it's own |
| 20:55.27 | blast007 | ./win32/VC8/config.h |
| 20:55.47 | JeffM | the projects shoudl be set to include it just fine |
| 20:59.17 | JeffM | jftsang, what error are you getting? |
| 20:59.32 | jftsang | could not find error |
| 20:59.40 | JeffM | then how do you know you need conifg? |
| 20:59.51 | jftsang | it said, could not find config.h |
| 20:59.59 | JeffM | where? |
| 21:00.05 | jftsang | in the debug box |
| 21:00.14 | JeffM | for what project? |
| 21:00.26 | jftsang | ChatChannel-- something |
| 21:00.37 | JeffM | in the bzflag proejct? |
| 21:01.08 | jftsang | no, it's a plugin that is (or rather, was) not in the plugins directory |
| 21:01.17 | JeffM | ahhhh |
| 21:01.36 | JeffM | tehn that plug-in is not doing the correct thing |
| 21:01.39 | JeffM | and is including config |
| 21:01.44 | JeffM | they are not suposed to |
| 21:01.54 | JeffM | you'd have to add the path to the project |
| 21:02.04 | blast007 | unless the plugin had their own config.h it was supposed to have |
| 21:02.22 | JeffM | that would be odd |
| 21:02.33 | jftsang | the plugin includes common.h, and it looks as though common.h includes config.h |
| 21:02.35 | blast007 | so are lots of the plugins |
| 21:02.45 | JeffM | that's not a standard plug-in then |
| 21:03.13 | jftsang | ok... now "unresolved external symbol _regcomp referenced" when linking |
| 21:03.21 | JeffM | common needs regex |
| 21:03.30 | JeffM | what plug-in is this? |
| 21:03.38 | jftsang | quod erat compilandum |
| 21:03.44 | jftsang | ChatChannel |
| 21:03.44 | JeffM | hih? |
| 21:03.49 | JeffM | who made it? |
| 21:04.17 | jftsang | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4906 |
| 21:04.33 | JeffM | that's my FAQ |
| 21:04.37 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=47678 |
| 21:04.58 | JeffM | 404 |
| 21:05.03 | JeffM | on the dowload |
| 21:05.32 | JeffM | ahhh attach |
| 21:05.54 | blast007 | http://bzbb.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=91978 <-- that one is newer |
| 21:06.00 | jftsang | yes, the extremely useful source sode |
| 21:06.35 | blast007 | and even newer: http://bzbb.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5278 |
| 21:07.28 | JeffM | 1.2 is the last one? |
| 21:07.29 | blast007 | that new one has no reference to common.h |
| 21:07.31 | blast007 | yeah |
| 21:08.42 | JeffM | it includes text uitls |
| 21:08.46 | JeffM | that's what uses common |
| 21:09.47 | JeffM | wow |
| 21:09.51 | JeffM | this should never compile |
| 21:09.53 | JeffM | this thing is horible |
| 21:10.15 | tannerld | heh |
| 21:10.19 | JeffM | predefines a type as a class, then defines it as a struct |
| 21:11.15 | blast007 | heh.. |
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| 21:16.21 | JeffM | all fixed |
| 21:16.25 | jftsang | hm? |
| 21:17.02 | JeffM | it needed lots of work |
| 21:17.45 | JeffM | builds now, using plugin_utils |
| 21:17.49 | JeffM | instead of textUtils |
| 21:18.01 | JeffM | TU is bad, since it is dependent on the rest of BZ |
| 21:20.33 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/code/bz/ChatChannel.zip |
| 21:22.09 | F687s | is this a plugin, or an addition to the messaging protocol? |
| 21:22.22 | JeffM | plug-in |
| 21:22.28 | JeffM | dmp wrote it |
| 21:22.37 | JeffM | no clue what it does |
| 21:22.54 | JeffM | I just made it compile |
| 21:23.11 | brad | creates virtual 'channels' in bz that you can join |
| 21:23.20 | jftsang | basically, it turns BZFlag into IRC |
| 21:23.24 | brad | if some are obs and some are playing, you can talk within the team |
| 21:23.37 | brad | and only the people in the chan see it... obviously |
| 21:23.41 | JeffM | jftsang, WOW, talk about getting it wrong with an oversimplifciation |
| 21:23.51 | F687s | but it wouldn't be integrated into the client... |
| 21:23.55 | JeffM | no |
| 21:24.00 | JeffM | it's a HACK |
| 21:24.14 | JeffM | not a feature |
| 21:25.04 | JeffM | indeed |
| 21:25.19 | JeffM | the tabs shuld be dynamic |
| 21:25.36 | L4m3r | in general, though, in-game chat falls well into the given channels |
| 21:25.54 | jftsang | sounds like an excuse to have observers and spies |
| 21:26.09 | F687s | hehe, maybe... |
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| 21:32.44 | F687s | what does this mean? <http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d735af31a> received trying to build trunk... |
| 21:34.43 | JeffM | it means you are on a mac |
| 21:35.34 | F687s | yep! |
| 21:37.27 | F687s | is the problem with the OpenGL libs, or is the problem that I'm on a mac? |
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| 21:45.41 | Constitution | F687s: can having a mac be a problem? ;) |
| 21:46.30 | F687s | it's only the greatest open-source OS with proprietary Apple layers installed ;-) |
| 21:46.38 | a_meteorite | Constitution: you disobeyed the Steve! you will forever be in a turtleneck straightjacket! |
| 21:47.12 | L4m3r | wow, I never thought I'd see the day |
| 21:47.21 | a_meteorite | L4m3r: ? |
| 21:47.25 | L4m3r | I think this project will be *easier* to implement in flat C than in C++ |
| 21:47.58 | F687s | seriously? |
| 21:48.05 | L4m3r | yup. |
| 21:48.19 | F687s | Struct-tastic! |
| 21:48.23 | L4m3r | it's for my networking class, so we have to bodge together two doubles and a flag byte |
| 21:48.45 | L4m3r | so malloc and pointers would be easier than using new |
| 21:48.57 | F687s | isn't almost all C valid C++? |
| 21:49.20 | L4m3r | yes, but using malloc in C++ is gross |
| 21:49.28 | L4m3r | and pointer casting can be dodgy, apparently |
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| 22:06.36 | TD-Linux | hmm, I had to checkout bzflag trunk from svn on this computer |
| 22:06.52 | TD-Linux | it tells me OpenGL isn't fully available, but I can't figure out why |
| 22:06.55 | TD-Linux | I think 2.0 compiled fine |
| 22:06.57 | *** join/#bzflag AHA (n=aha@unaffiliated/aha) |
| 22:11.38 | TD-Linux | this puzzles me, I can't find anything wrong :( |
| 22:13.57 | TD-Linux | configure: WARNING: Client build is enabled, but OpenGL does not seem to be fully available |
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| 22:29.39 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
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| 22:48.50 | L4m3r | JeffM: ping |
| 22:56.28 | JeffM | ? |
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| 23:06.34 | *** join/#bzflag bz20 (n=cfc0d99f@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:06.43 | bz20 | hello |
| 23:07.00 | bz20 | anybody there? |
| 23:07.01 | JeffM | hello |
| 23:07.17 | bz20 | when did u get ur account confirmation? |
| 23:07.31 | JeffM | right away |
| 23:07.36 | bz20 | i should have got mine by now |
| 23:07.37 | bz20 | i havnt |
| 23:08.05 | JeffM | you check your spam folder? |
| 23:08.18 | bz20 | hold on |
| 23:09.06 | bz20 | dont have a spam folder |
| 23:09.24 | bz20 | is there anyway i can try again? |
| 23:10.44 | JeffM | what is the account name? |
| 23:12.25 | bz20 | shadow_ryder |
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| 23:14.25 | JeffM | what email did you use? |
| 23:14.34 | bz20 | wat type? |
| 23:15.13 | JeffM | read the message with my name that is blinking at the bottom of the window ;) |
| 23:15.23 | *** join/#bzflag Quantum (i=QB@72.47.73.112) |
| 23:15.47 | JeffM | I need you to verify the e-mail address |
| 23:15.54 | JeffM | then I can activate you |
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| 23:18.09 | *** join/#bzflag shadow_ryder (n=cfc0d99f@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:19.21 | JeffM | looks like it worked |
| 23:19.24 | JeffM | you are good to go |
| 23:19.42 | shadow_ryder | kk |
| 23:20.16 | *** join/#bzflag shadow_ryder (n=cfc0d99f@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:20.25 | shadow_ryder | how do i play the actual game? |
| 23:20.31 | shadow_ryder | where do i go |
| 23:20.46 | JeffM | did you download it? |
| 23:21.06 | shadow_ryder | where do i download it? |
| 23:21.10 | shadow_ryder | wat do i click? |
| 23:21.10 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.18 | JeffM | link on the left |
| 23:21.21 | JeffM | says "download" |
| 23:21.53 | shadow_ryder | which one? |
| 23:22.00 | JeffM | how old are you? |
| 23:22.13 | shadow_ryder | 13 |
| 23:22.18 | JeffM | riiiighht |
| 23:22.36 | JeffM | if you are unsure about what kind of computer you have, you probably want to get your paretns help |
| 23:24.20 | jftsang | are there any Linux releases of BZFlag |
| 23:24.29 | jftsang | 2.0.10, of course |
| 23:24.37 | JeffM | debian and gentoo have them IIRC |
| 23:24.44 | JeffM | we don't public linux bins |
| 23:24.51 | JeffM | that's up to the distro's package system |
| 23:25.19 | jftsang | http://mesh.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.10.exe << shadow_ryder, if you are using Windows then you use this link |
| 23:26.34 | shadow_ryder | i already started that one |
| 23:30.18 | jftsang | ...how can you have "anonymous" on the change log? :S |
| 23:30.32 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.40 | JeffM | and at the time he actualy removed all his code |
| 23:30.46 | JeffM | but brlcad put most of that back |
| 23:33.01 | Constitution | sometimes a patch comes to us by way of a friend of a server owner's wife's sister's son, and it's impossible to track down the name of the original author |
| 23:33.20 | JeffM | ehe |
| 23:33.37 | JeffM | those usualy hit SF so have SOME name |
| 23:41.15 | JeffM | and it depends on what anon he's talking about |
| 23:41.28 | JeffM | animated effects for t,h,th,o,and cl flags... I know who that is ;) |
| 23:43.10 | L4m3r | ME! (kidding) |
| 23:46.09 | shadow_ryder | how do i join a game? |
| 23:47.12 | jftsang | Find Server |
| 23:47.17 | jftsang | find one which interests you |
| 23:47.20 | jftsang | and then connect |
| 23:47.39 | shadow_ryder | do i need callsign? |
| 23:48.09 | JeffM | that is your fourm name |
| 23:48.20 | shadow_ryder | o |
| 23:48.56 | shadow_ryder | dang |
| 23:48.59 | jftsang | hm? |
| 23:49.05 | shadow_ryder | i cant stinkin firewall |
| 23:49.21 | JeffM | fun |
| 23:49.23 | jftsang | open port 5154 then |
| 23:49.32 | shadow_ryder | how do i do that? |
| 23:49.50 | JeffM | that's not our place to tell you how to setup your network |
| 23:49.57 | JeffM | most likely your parents have it blocked |
| 23:50.01 | jftsang | I suggest you ask permission and help from your parents |
| 23:50.02 | JeffM | go ask them |
| 23:50.14 | shadow_ryder | they wont do anything |
| 23:50.24 | peter_bz | then ask harder |
| 23:50.25 | JeffM | then sorry to say, that's not our problem |
| 23:50.25 | peter_bz | ;) |
| 23:50.44 | peter_bz | your on windows? |
| 23:50.46 | shadow_ryder | yea |
| 23:51.02 | JeffM | bzflag does not exist to help you circumvent your parents wishes |
| 23:51.04 | JeffM | ask them |
| 23:51.38 | shadow_ryder | nah i can try hacking the adminastrater account and do it |
| 23:51.44 | peter_bz | you can get admin access easy, on boot up, keep pressing f8, then you will find an adminaccount with no password (unless they have set it), then go in, and change the firewall setting |
| 23:51.48 | Winny | heh |
| 23:51.49 | JeffM | peter_bz, not here |
| 23:51.56 | peter_bz | oh, sorry |
| 23:51.57 | JeffM | what you do on your system is your biz |
| 23:51.59 | JeffM | not ours |
| 23:52.02 | JeffM | take it elsewhere |
| 23:52.03 | jftsang | shadow_ryder, try #windows |
| 23:52.11 | shadow_ryder | ? |
| 23:52.24 | Winny | Just ask your parents.. sheesh |
| 23:52.28 | JeffM | this channel is not a windows networking channel |
| 23:52.37 | Winny | If they want to let you play, they will let you |
| 23:52.38 | JeffM | we will not help you setup your network |
| 23:53.00 | JeffM | it sounds like they blocked you for a reason |
| 23:53.01 | shadow_ryder | i will try somthing |
| 23:53.20 | shadow_ryder | my bro can probably help me |
| 23:53.23 | a_meteorite | or it could be Windows is asking for permission for the firewall in the background |
| 23:53.23 | shadow_ryder | s a comp geek |
| 23:53.26 | JeffM | whatever |
| 23:53.28 | JeffM | we don't realy care |
| 23:53.32 | jftsang | then take it off this channel |
| 23:53.32 | JeffM | that's between you and him |
| 23:53.46 | jftsang | go to #moan-about-blocked-ports if you really must |
| 23:53.46 | shadow_ryder | ok |
| 23:53.58 | shadow_ryder | how? |
| 23:54.01 | JeffM | jftsang, bad IRC jokes only work on people wo know IRC |
| 23:54.04 | a_meteorite | how what? |
| 23:54.05 | JeffM | shadow_ryder, don't listen to him |
| 23:54.06 | Winny | haha |
| 23:54.11 | JeffM | enough you guys |
| 23:54.16 | Winny | shadow_ryder, as we said, ask your parents |
| 23:54.24 | JeffM | or brother, whatever |
| 23:54.27 | Winny | if they choose to allow you play, then they will |
| 23:54.59 | shadow_ryder | i can do it at my dad's comp |
| 23:55.05 | JeffM | whatever |
| 23:55.08 | peter_bz | great, now run along |
| 23:55.20 | shadow_ryder | o shut up |
| 23:55.32 | a_meteorite | shadow_ryder: please click on my name on the top |
| 23:55.39 | a_meteorite | it should be next to #bzflag |
| 23:56.14 | shadow_ryder | nothin there |
| 23:56.29 | a_meteorite | there's something definitely there, I private messaged you :) |
