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| 00:04.56 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16555 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/tankview/tankview.cpp: body.obj, not base.obj |
| 00:05.21 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16556 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/tankview/ReadMe.txt: notes on the app |
| 00:06.28 | JeffM | I don't think that app should be built by default by the nix system, since it needs SDL image |
| 00:06.52 | JeffM | so if someone wants to nix it, they should do a seperate makefile |
| 00:06.57 | JeffM | tho it does use config.h |
| 00:09.59 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16557 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Add make system files. |
| 00:10.30 | JeffM | umm, does that force bzflag to need sdl image? |
| 00:11.41 | JeffM | Constitution, you probably only want to build that if if the deps are there |
| 00:11.49 | JeffM | the makefile already looks for sdl image |
| 00:11.55 | Constitution | it doesn't build anything |
| 00:11.56 | JeffM | but don't build that tool if you don't find it |
| 00:12.00 | JeffM | ahh |
| 00:12.05 | JeffM | the dist thing |
| 00:12.07 | Constitution | just mentions the filenames so it will dist properly |
| 00:12.21 | JeffM | wana make it build? |
| 00:13.47 | Constitution | I have very little experience with SDL and actual apps |
| 00:14.17 | JeffM | all you should have to do is link to it |
| 00:14.21 | JeffM | I did the hard part |
| 00:14.32 | Constitution | oh |
| 00:14.46 | JeffM | it's using sdl on windows |
| 00:14.48 | JeffM | I cheaped out ;) |
| 00:15.46 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16558 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/tankview/ReadMe.txt: note what files are needed to build. |
| 00:15.47 | Constitution | yeah, I'll look into it later on tonight |
| 00:15.53 | JeffM | the readme should now have the list of stuff it needs to build |
| 00:15.56 | JeffM | ahh there it is |
| 00:16.34 | JeffM | simpleSDLView.cxx does all the hard work. it's basicly a small version of platform, sans sound and joystick |
| 00:20.59 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16559 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/tankview/ReadMe.txt: s/ban/pan/ |
| 00:21.32 | JeffM | naw dude I hooked it up to the masterban list |
| 00:21.38 | JeffM | ;) |
| 00:22.23 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 00:23.30 | Constitution | took me a second to figure out what you were trying to say by "ban" ;) |
| 00:30.02 | Constitution | yay we're actually on the cia.vc front page for once |
| 00:30.30 | Winny | we were on it quite a bit during Gee Sock |
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| 00:30.47 | Winny | Epyon had like 40 commits one day :p |
| 00:30.51 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:39.33 | Constitution | hmm, wasn't it around early march when GSoC was announced last year? |
| 00:40.32 | Constitution | maybe about time to start thinking of some ideas :) |
| 00:40.52 | Winny | *cough* render engine |
| 00:41.52 | Winny | or maybe someone could work on moving more things server side? |
| 00:41.58 | Constitution | mabe super ausom bzadmin pro ditione |
| 00:44.19 | JeffM | let me guess it just hit midnight GMT? ;) |
| 00:44.24 | Constitution | yeah I would be happy to see projects that deal with code in the actual client or server... there were only one of those last year, and the othre three tools haven't come into widespread use yet |
| 00:44.30 | Constitution | :) |
| 00:44.49 | Constitution | (although bzrobots is arguably tied in with the client/server code) |
| 00:50.12 | JeffM | we'll see what happens in march ;) |
| 00:50.24 | JeffM | I'd like to see more devs actualy work on the code |
| 00:50.56 | Constitution | wouldn't we all |
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| 01:14.06 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16560 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/tankview/ (simpleSDLView.cpp simpleSDLView.h): |
| 01:14.06 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: give option to bail out of the display for a quit. |
| 01:14.06 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: actually iterate when iterating the textures to blow out so we don't sit in a loop on in kill forever. |
| 01:14.35 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16561 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/tankview/vc8/tankview.vcproj: |
| 01:14.35 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: build the app in the debug dir, and copy it to the root |
| 01:14.35 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: makes debug info simpler. |
| 01:15.13 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16562 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/tankview/tankview.cpp: |
| 01:15.13 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: add quit on escape. |
| 01:15.13 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: wrap app into an Application class for ease of use |
| 01:17.04 | DTRemenak | JeffM: r16545 effectively reverted r16538-40. please update before moving big blocks of code around, otherwise changes get lost. |
| 01:17.21 | JeffM | I did what? |
| 01:17.39 | JeffM | the stuff I did in the main? |
| 01:17.43 | DTRemenak | split the model reader into its own file |
| 01:17.51 | DTRemenak | without updating first |
| 01:17.52 | JeffM | I merged your changes in |
| 01:18.02 | JeffM | you changed it to use a std::string isntead of a const right? |
| 01:18.16 | JeffM | cus I got the conflict |
| 01:18.22 | JeffM | and went and looked at the changes |
| 01:18.31 | DTRemenak | I also changed it not to keep three copies of the file in memory and use an O(n) reader instead of an O(n^2 log n) one :) |
| 01:18.37 | JeffM | oh |
| 01:18.44 | JeffM | ok then that was ME |
| 01:18.48 | JeffM | sorry |
| 01:18.55 | DTRemenak | no problem |
| 01:18.56 | JeffM | I go lookzors |
| 01:19.01 | spldart | :-) |
| 01:19.04 | DTRemenak | just thought I'd point it out |
| 01:19.27 | JeffM | yeah I got a confilct and went thru and did what I thought I needed to do |
| 01:19.48 | JeffM | it was a cheaphack to see if it would work at first |
| 01:19.53 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's what I figured |
| 01:19.57 | JeffM | refactoring == good :) |
| 01:20.03 | JeffM | and it only does it once |
| 01:20.14 | JeffM | how was the meeting? |
| 01:20.25 | DTRemenak | meh |
| 01:20.29 | DTRemenak | the food was good |
| 01:20.40 | JeffM | but you got to meet the overlord |
| 01:20.41 | DTRemenak | not sure why I needed to be there |
| 01:20.44 | DTRemenak | indeed |
| 01:21.17 | JeffM | I assume setup went ok, cus my phone never rang |
| 01:21.25 | DTRemenak | yeah, all seemed to work fine |
| 01:21.34 | JeffM | I was there till 9 making sure |
| 01:21.40 | DTRemenak | volumill presentation went off well, and was well received |
| 01:22.20 | DTRemenak | there was lots of applause & cheering for multiple und |
| 01:22.35 | JeffM | coo |
| 01:22.36 | DTRemenak | undo even |
| 01:22.40 | JeffM | noone ever cheers for my stuff :( |
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| 01:23.43 | DTRemenak | people cheer for flashy stuff |
| 01:23.49 | DTRemenak | they only notice critical stuff when it fails to work right |
| 01:24.11 | DTRemenak | it's a cruel world |
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| 01:26.24 | JeffM | DTRemenak, the stream will handle a mixed path with both / and \ ? |
| 01:26.28 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 01:26.36 | DTRemenak | JeffM: r16532/r16542 also need some attention. I backed your changes out there because the old behavior worked right on my machine (your changes made all the corners off by one). I'm assuming your system shows the opposite, so we really need a better solution. |
| 01:26.48 | JeffM | what were those? |
| 01:26.55 | JeffM | hmmm |
| 01:26.56 | DTRemenak | corner points for the targetting box |
| 01:27.10 | JeffM | mine were off on both my desktop and laptop |
| 01:27.24 | DTRemenak | mine were off after your changes in both win and lin |
| 01:27.30 | JeffM | odd |
| 01:27.32 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 01:27.43 | DTRemenak | could be a driver revision thing |
| 01:27.53 | JeffM | I have difrent revs on the machines |
| 01:27.59 | JeffM | tho we are all nvidia |
| 01:28.06 | JeffM | well it's not a good way to draw it anyway |
| 01:28.07 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 01:28.09 | JeffM | lines == slow |
| 01:28.17 | JeffM | trapezoids! |
| 01:28.34 | DTRemenak | hmmm, can we do that? :) |
| 01:28.38 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:28.41 | JeffM | probably be faster |
| 01:28.46 | DTRemenak | in GL1.1? |
| 01:28.49 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:28.51 | DTRemenak | coo |
| 01:28.52 | JeffM | it's the card that slows it down |
| 01:28.56 | JeffM | not the GL |
| 01:29.06 | JeffM | most game gards turn lines into quads anyway |
| 01:29.10 | DTRemenak | I know, just didn't know when the calls were introduced |
| 01:29.28 | JeffM | GL_POLYGON is in since 1.0 IIRC ;) |
| 01:29.39 | DTRemenak | shows what I know ;) |
| 01:29.40 | JeffM | blast it out into a list and it's fine |
| 01:32.33 | JeffM | looks like your path convert stuff made it |
| 01:33.08 | DTRemenak | all I looked at was whether the stream stuff got picked up |
| 01:33.17 | JeffM | yeah I have that fixed |
| 01:33.19 | JeffM | building now |
| 01:33.20 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 01:33.30 | JeffM | then I'll test with the new test harness :) |
| 01:35.01 | JeffM | I tried to get platform to run on it's own |
| 01:35.04 | JeffM | it was not happy :( |
| 01:35.14 | JeffM | then I tried to get your PNG reader to run on it's own |
| 01:35.17 | JeffM | it too was not happy |
| 01:35.23 | DTRemenak | platform has serious dependencies on common iirc |
| 01:35.31 | JeffM | more then that :) |
| 01:35.33 | DTRemenak | png reader should have been ok with a few changes |
| 01:35.35 | JeffM | I had all of common |
| 01:35.55 | JeffM | I just went with SDL, it's a lot easier |
| 01:36.06 | DTRemenak | libraries do tend to be easier :) |
| 01:36.16 | JeffM | indeed |
| 01:36.38 | JeffM | cool now it locks up :) |
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| 01:37.32 | DTRemenak | that ain't good :) |
| 01:37.47 | JeffM | forgot a bit I think |
| 01:38.28 | DTRemenak | should just be the top chunk and the close after the while loop |
| 01:38.35 | JeffM | indeed |
| 01:38.39 | JeffM | I was one line too short |
| 01:38.45 | JeffM | a very important line |
| 01:38.46 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.55 | DTRemenak | yup, that's pretty important :) |
| 01:39.38 | DTRemenak | really the whole thing should be done with a stream instead of getline. but this was sufficiently less ugly to make me happy, without requiring extensive testing :) |
| 01:39.43 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16563 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/Model.h src/3D/Model.cxx): unblow out DTR's changes to make the model reader suck less |
| 01:40.00 | JeffM | well it's a prety chezzy reader for now |
| 01:40.09 | JeffM | makes a lot of assumptions |
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| 01:40.29 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's the other thing I didn't know...whether the error handling (or lack thereof) was correct in the first place |
| 01:40.49 | JeffM | it's setup to ignore anything it dosn't understand |
| 01:41.00 | JeffM | safe default, etc.. |
| 01:41.20 | JeffM | it checks all it's indecies before it uses them so that part should be fine |
| 01:41.32 | JeffM | and if the line dosn't match the format it just skips it |
| 01:43.13 | JeffM | I did use that gl camera code I found, it's rather slick |
| 01:43.23 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 01:45.01 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/tankview.png |
| 01:45.07 | JeffM | see in all it's lame glory |
| 01:45.25 | DTRemenak | can't tell much about the camera from a screenshot, but cool :) |
| 01:45.36 | Think_Differentl | JeffM, is that the tank? |
| 01:45.38 | JeffM | that's more model reader then anything |
| 01:45.48 | JeffM | Think_Differentl, that's 2 obj files |
| 01:45.53 | Think_Differentl | ah |
| 01:46.11 | JeffM | DTRemenak, it has no nixness, and you'll need SDL image |
| 01:46.19 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 01:46.36 | JeffM | and they key input to move the camera is lame, but it at least PANS in view space |
| 01:46.41 | JeffM | that's the cool part |
| 01:47.45 | JeffM | Think_Differentl, the barrel is the new barrel, but I just made the turret be a box to check UVs |
| 01:48.06 | Think_Differentl | m |
| 01:48.39 | JeffM | yup my UV reader is jacked :( |
| 01:52.15 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16564 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/tankview/tankview.cpp: |
| 01:52.16 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: give the window a name. |
| 01:52.16 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: move faster. |
| 01:52.16 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: be more greedy. |
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| 01:59.14 | JeffM | I love the fact that with ankh and VC8, it highlights what lines are changed in gree on each file :) |
| 01:59.15 | Dessy | Cya all, night all! |
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| 02:18.19 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16565 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/tankview/ (simpleSDLView.cpp simpleSDLView.h tankview.cpp): wicked cool mouse camera support (LB pan HV, RB rotate HZ, MB pan D ) |
| 02:18.53 | JeffM | DTRemenak, ok NOW the camera is cool :) |
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| 02:49.39 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16567 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/Model.h src/3D/Model.cxx): +, +=, and copy constructors for OBJVerts. |
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| 03:20.51 | JeffM | oh, DTRemenak have you tried connecting since my latest changes to the networking stuff? |
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| 04:19.21 | JeffM | here's a good jumping tank, http://www.flickr.com/photos/lemon_boy/2092090472/in/set-72157603348802567/ |
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| 04:25.55 | awilcox | JeffM: hehe |
| 04:26.06 | awilcox | JeffM: question. you know any good online computer stores (besides newegg)? |
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| 04:26.55 | Winny | awilcox, tigerdirect isn't bad |
| 04:28.01 | awilcox | nn Winny (and TigerDirect doesn't have it.) |
| 04:28.35 | Constitution | TigerDirect SUCKS |
| 04:28.41 | Constitution | they charge like $30 for 2-day shipping |
| 04:28.57 | Winny | not in canada |
| 04:29.09 | Winny | free shipping over 150$ last I ordered |
| 04:29.17 | Constitution | this was not over $150 |
| 04:29.49 | Constitution | it was a $20 power supply |
| 04:29.56 | awilcox | Constitution: Your thoughts? |
| 04:30.27 | Constitution | oh dear, this is #bzflag |
| 04:30.48 | Winny | actually |
| 04:30.53 | Constitution | thought I was looking at a different window :P |
| 04:30.58 | Winny | THIS. IS. SPARTAAAAA!!! |
| 04:32.17 | Constitution | awilcox: TigerDirect and NewEgg are both mainstream... you can't really go wrong with either, if they have what you need |
| 04:32.24 | awilcox | they don't. |
| 04:32.32 | Constitution | what is it you need? |
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| 04:52.38 | JeffM | awilcox: where do you live? |
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| 04:53.02 | awilcox | JeffM: um, United States. Southeastern United States. |
| 04:53.16 | JeffM | mwave is decent |
| 04:53.17 | a_meteorite | I'm guessing he waned something a bit more specific. |
| 04:53.19 | JeffM | newegg |
| 04:53.23 | JeffM | outpost |
| 04:53.26 | a_meteorite | *wanted |
| 04:53.46 | JeffM | pricewatch or pricescan will give you breakdowns of the prices from them all |
| 04:53.48 | awilcox | JeffM: checked newegg, outpost, tigerdirect, weirdstuffwarehouse, et cetera. |
| 04:53.50 | JeffM | what are you buying? |
| 04:54.05 | awilcox | JeffM: Intel S5000XVNSATAR Workstation Motherboard |
| 04:54.17 | JeffM | and what is the price diff beween them all? |
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| 04:55.08 | awilcox | between 450-520$ |
| 04:55.15 | JeffM | wow |
| 04:55.27 | JeffM | for a motherboard |
| 04:55.33 | JeffM | good luck |
| 04:55.37 | awilcox | er, wait. the lowest one is 450$ and the highest one is 520$. |
| 04:55.54 | awilcox | JeffM: what's that supposed to mean? |
| 04:55.58 | JeffM | that mobo better be better the sliced bread |
| 04:56.30 | a_meteorite | I believe he said he was buying it so he could go to 8 cores in a few years with a second quad core CPU. |
| 04:56.33 | awilcox | it is. supports 45nm Xeon processors (dual sockets), 8 DDR2 sockets, 6 SATA ports with *hardware* RAID |
| 04:56.37 | a_meteorite | IE, a big waste of money. |
| 04:56.57 | JeffM | hardware raid isn't that hard to get |
| 04:57.09 | JeffM | it's the xeon support your payin for |
| 04:57.15 | awilcox | JeffM: yes but all the 'desktop' boards are software raid / don't support Xeons |
| 04:57.27 | JeffM | that type of hardware is out of the common sale ballpark, so you are on your oan |
| 04:57.32 | JeffM | awilcox: not ALL |
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| 04:57.33 | JeffM | just many |
| 04:57.34 | awilcox | JeffM: yes, I know that, I already DID my research and I KNOW that this is exactly what I want and it is in the budget I have. |
| 04:57.36 | a_meteorite | Will you use RAID? Why not buy a RAID card? Why not get a quad core desktop CPU and have overclocking ability? |
| 04:57.42 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 04:58.00 | JeffM | a_meteorite: because he dosn't use his computer fro the same thing you use yours for |
| 04:58.11 | awilcox | a_met: two reasons. one, every computer I've overclocked died in a month or two *WITH* good cooling. |
| 04:58.23 | awilcox | and two, not at the start but the point is I can upgrade with this thing |
| 04:58.27 | a_meteorite | Then you were obviously doing it wrong or had really bad parts. |
| 04:58.42 | a_meteorite | JeffM: I was looking for something a bit more concrete... |
| 04:58.52 | JeffM | he does a lot of assembly work |
| 04:59.33 | JeffM | awilcox: your going for stuff that isn't realy common in the consumer level, so it's not going to be THAT Much on sale |
| 04:59.34 | a_meteorite | I don't recall assembly requiring - let alone recommending - RAID... RAID is storage, not processing :) |
| 04:59.46 | JeffM | since most people who buy it are using other peopele's money |
| 05:00.07 | JeffM | a_meteorite: when you want to write a kernel level raid controller, you need raid ;) |
| 05:00.26 | a_meteorite | You need quad cores, with ability to go octal, even on assembly? Usually you need less processing power for the same things with assembly. |
| 05:00.35 | a_meteorite | JeffM: You can get a PCI-E/X RAID card :) |
| 05:00.46 | JeffM | a_meteorite: once again you presume far too much, he's made his choice let him go |
| 05:00.49 | a_meteorite | But hey, it's awilcox's money |
| 05:00.59 | JeffM | I doubt you know much about OS development. |
| 05:01.13 | a_meteorite | I know a bit |
| 05:01.25 | JeffM | that is not the same as much |
| 05:01.30 | JeffM | he may not NEED all that |
| 05:01.30 | a_meteorite | I didn't know awilcox wanted to write a RAID driver |
| 05:01.41 | a_meteorite | But, um, ok |
| 05:01.41 | JeffM | but if he HAS all that he can develop FOR it, not nesisarly ON it |
| 05:01.55 | JeffM | you don't know lots of things, get used to it |
| 05:02.09 | JeffM | if that's what he wants to get, he's going to pay for it |
| 05:02.10 | a_meteorite | I never said he did had what he needed to develop on it |
| 05:02.20 | a_meteorite | I never knew he wanted to develop on it |
| 05:02.25 | JeffM | he'd humed and hawed about it for over a year, so now he can take care of it himself, he's a big boy |
| 05:02.49 | awilcox | a_met: yes, distcc can take advantage of quad-core as well. |
| 05:02.50 | a_meteorite | Just trying to suggest some more desktop oriented stuff with many of the same features (well, albeit ability to go to octal cores) |
| 05:03.09 | a_meteorite | distcc is for across multiple machines usually, why not make -j5? :) |
| 05:03.16 | JeffM | with out knowing his needs and desires ;) |
| 05:03.20 | awilcox | well, that too. |
| 05:03.44 | JeffM | a_meteorite == gun jumper ;) |
| 05:03.48 | awilcox | JeffM: good point :) yes, in addition to needs some of it is want...I *could* go for a 60nm processor for ~50$ less but eh, you only live once. |
| 05:03.48 | a_meteorite | JeffM: He never said them, I guess he told them to you and not everyone else, eh? |
| 05:04.03 | a_meteorite | So that's why I suggested what I did |
| 05:04.08 | JeffM | a_meteorite: he's been doing this for months and months ;) |
| 05:04.17 | JeffM | I'd even say years |
| 05:04.23 | a_meteorite | Guess I missed it, sorry I made everyone mad ;) |
| 05:04.30 | JeffM | you didn't make anyone mad |
| 05:04.39 | JeffM | why do you think you made people mad? |
| 05:05.07 | a_meteorite | Winking just like the gun jumper ;) |
| 05:05.14 | awilcox | er, yes, since April 2007 I've been trying to find it |
| 05:05.29 | JeffM | awilcox: do you think your rate of hardware upgrades will increase as you age? |
| 05:05.51 | JeffM | or are you still hoping on the system running for a decade? |
| 05:05.55 | awilcox | wait, huh? |
| 05:06.08 | awilcox | um. I never said a decade (at least I don't *remember* saying decade) |
| 05:06.17 | JeffM | you indicated a number of years |
| 05:06.26 | awilcox | I expect this thing to run for five years, probably, not as a main computer but at least as a gcc computer |
| 05:06.30 | JeffM | and given how long you've had your current hardware, etc.. |
| 05:06.43 | JeffM | so, no your upgrade path is not going to accelerate |
| 05:06.45 | awilcox | I never expected it to stay "leet"(or whatever you call it) for years. |
| 05:06.59 | JeffM | its' xeons, it'll never be top end |
| 05:07.05 | awilcox | I do expect to have to buy another whole-new computer in three or four years. |
| 05:07.12 | JeffM | that machine is made for workstation stuff |
| 05:07.14 | awilcox | (whole-new means new mobo, cpu, gfx, et cetera) |
| 05:07.25 | awilcox | JeffM: yes, I know, and that's what it will be used for |
| 05:07.35 | JeffM | well just bang around for retailers, I usualy hit up pricewatch |
| 05:07.41 | JeffM | and see what they have for ballparks |
| 05:07.48 | awilcox | I'm not the kind of person to play halo or something on it. maybe bzflag though :p |
| 05:07.57 | JeffM | I usualy buy from newegg, mwave, or zipzoomfly |
| 05:08.04 | JeffM | frys.com on ocasion |
| 05:08.14 | JeffM | usualy I just GO to fry's and get what is on sale |
| 05:08.15 | awilcox | yeah I like frys/outpost. |
| 05:08.25 | awilcox | heh, lucky you, I have no fry's here :/ |
| 05:08.45 | JeffM | but all those retailers are setup for buying what they happen to have on sale and works for your needs |
| 05:08.49 | JeffM | you have a specific thing you want |
| 05:08.52 | JeffM | that's a lot harder |
| 05:08.56 | JeffM | its' also a rare thing |
| 05:09.34 | JeffM | I'm betting the majority of those boards are not sold retail, but sold as part of OEM systems |
| 05:10.05 | awilcox | JeffM: you mean not everyone does research and finds exactly what they need, and then goes to try and find it? not everyone reads the chipsets documentation before they buy a motherboard, to make sure it will work for what they need? not everyone calls Intel and suppliers directly, asking many questions about it? |
| 05:10.16 | awilcox | that's a shocker (not). I guess I'm just one of the rare people that prepare for things =/ |
| 05:10.30 | JeffM | most people will pick a chipset ish |
| 05:10.36 | JeffM | and then get a mobo that has it |
| 05:10.42 | JeffM | there are only realy 4 choices |
| 05:10.47 | JeffM | it's NOT that hard |
| 05:11.00 | JeffM | you want an nforce 7x00 mobo, you find one on sale |
| 05:11.07 | JeffM | who cares if it's an abit or an asus, etc.. |
| 05:11.09 | JeffM | they all work |
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| 05:11.17 | JeffM | for most people's uses |
| 05:11.25 | awilcox | eh, DFIs have gone south on me |
| 05:11.27 | JeffM | remember most people don't give a crap about the hardware |
| 05:11.28 | awilcox | but continue. |
| 05:11.37 | JeffM | they are going to install windows, and play a game |
| 05:11.38 | daniel_jackson | I do! |
| 05:11.42 | awilcox | heh. |
| 05:11.48 | JeffM | you are a VERY special case |
| 05:12.05 | daniel_jackson | yeah I'm the case of the hardware nerd |
| 05:12.07 | JeffM | so yes, you can't assume that the normal purchasing methods will work for you |
| 05:12.21 | JeffM | daniel_jackson: I'm not talking about you |
| 05:12.45 | daniel_jackson | ahh now don't me make me cry jeff |
| 05:12.49 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 05:12.52 | JeffM | awilcox: the times I wanted specific hardware, it took me weeks of looking and waiting |
| 05:12.52 | awilcox | mine was pick a processor series (decided Xeon) -> pick a chipset series (Intel 5000) -> pick a mobo (S5000XVNSATAR) -> find a retailer |
| 05:13.12 | JeffM | awilcox: and that will limit your choices |
| 05:13.28 | JeffM | most don't care about the specifics of the motherboard as long as it has the features |
| 05:13.30 | awilcox | I read many books, for about a week, deciding on exactly what will work for me and stay in my price range. |
| 05:13.42 | JeffM | also you are in the workstation class, so there is a lot less compettiion |
| 05:13.46 | JeffM | and a lot smaller marker |
| 05:13.58 | JeffM | how much does newegg have it for? |
| 05:14.10 | daniel_jackson | don't go for any EFI motherboards they don't fast very long |
| 05:16.10 | daniel_jackson | are you building it yourself or going through like dell? |
| 05:16.25 | JeffM | he's building |
| 05:16.51 | daniel_jackson | ok you need a nerd case one that screams I'm cool! lol |
| 05:18.01 | daniel_jackson | I'd use gigabyte, asus, msi, etc the well know motherboard manufacturers |
| 05:18.14 | JeffM | he wants a very specific motherboard |
| 05:18.17 | JeffM | workstation box |
| 05:18.36 | daniel_jackson | whats he doing with it |
| 05:18.45 | JeffM | writing an operating system |
| 05:18.54 | daniel_jackson | or wanting to do with it? |
| 05:18.59 | awilcox | heh. that's not the *only* thing... |
| 05:19.01 | daniel_jackson | ooh |
| 05:19.10 | JeffM | no not the only thing but I think it drives your needs |
| 05:19.23 | awilcox | I have Visual Studio, I plan on using it for that. I have Photoshop and plan on using it for that. |
| 05:19.44 | JeffM | VS wont' use all 8 cores to much use |
| 05:19.54 | JeffM | I doubt your PS work will push them, etc.. |
| 05:19.58 | JeffM | so the OS is your core reason |
| 05:20.05 | awilcox | JeffM: to be quite honest, not really. |
| 05:20.11 | JeffM | I don't get the feeling that your a paid pro in any other field |
| 05:20.20 | JeffM | so stick with the one thing and run with it ;) |
| 05:20.31 | JeffM | it's a valid reason |
| 05:20.40 | JeffM | you need no more |
| 05:20.42 | JeffM | unless you yourself are doubting it |
| 05:20.45 | awilcox | it's going to be a dual-function box to be honest. hosting SQL, Exchange, and IIS6 |
| 05:20.59 | JeffM | what will they all be doing |
| 05:21.00 | awilcox | *and* doing operating system work, PS, VS |
| 05:21.02 | JeffM | it's not what is ON it |
| 05:21.09 | JeffM | it is what is it all doing |
| 05:21.28 | JeffM | if none of that is under heavly load, then it's somewhat of a waste of hardware |
| 05:21.34 | JeffM | if its' under load, then it's not |
| 05:21.36 | daniel_jackson | so your going to send money on vista? |
| 05:21.50 | daniel_jackson | send money to microsoft |
| 05:21.56 | daniel_jackson | spend money on vista? |
| 05:22.10 | awilcox | JeffM: well if I'm make -j<x>'ing with one core, doing SQL with another core, while Photoshop is doing work transforming 5+megapixel pictures on another core |
| 05:22.25 | awilcox | there's three cores right there. |
| 05:22.37 | JeffM | awilcox: and you are going to be doing those at full load CONSTANTLY? ;) |
| 05:22.42 | JeffM | I find that highly doubtfull |
| 05:22.43 | awilcox | and yes, JeffM, I expect to play games on it. I'm getting a GeForce 8800GT for it. |
| 05:22.55 | JeffM | then you've made your choice |
| 05:22.59 | JeffM | just go buy the sucker |
| 05:23.44 | awilcox | and I really don't see the difference between c2q and xeon for games. Xeon won't overclock easily, but it's still a workhorse. and that isn't primary use |
| 05:23.52 | daniel_jackson | well personally I'd hold back on vista, and try to install like XP on it |
| 05:24.03 | awilcox | and yes part of it is the fact I have ALWAYS ALWAYS wanted a xeon, and yes I am prepared to pay for it |
| 05:24.15 | awilcox | daniel_jackson: XP is going in a VM on top of Windows 2003 Server |
| 05:24.37 | JeffM | daniel_jackson: I don't get where you saw that he said anything about vista |
| 05:24.51 | JeffM | awilcox: then there ya go, just do it |
| 05:24.58 | JeffM | don't listen to anyone else, just go DO it |
| 05:25.13 | daniel_jackson | he wants to play games rright? |
| 05:25.13 | awilcox | daniel_jackson: vista is not what I'm doing, so no, I will not vista. |
| 05:25.19 | awilcox | JeffM: thank you. |
| 05:25.31 | daniel_jackson | smart move |
| 05:26.11 | daniel_jackson | he said IIS and Games, that equals a windows platform |
| 05:27.18 | JeffM | but he never said vista |
| 05:27.19 | daniel_jackson | good to here@ |
| 05:27.21 | JeffM | that was all you ;) |
| 05:27.24 | daniel_jackson | hear! |
| 05:28.40 | daniel_jackson | yeah but how's he going to do on his linux end to keep the vmware running solid! ;) |
| 05:29.06 | JeffM | 2k3 is not a bad OS |
| 05:29.07 | a_meteorite | some people like Windows, get over it |
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| 05:29.24 | daniel_jackson | well thats the server end of XP |
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| 05:29.33 | JeffM | not exactly |
| 05:29.40 | JeffM | but sure, if that helps you deal with it, whatever |
| 05:30.13 | daniel_jackson | you programmers make me sick especially a met! lol |
| 05:30.31 | JeffM | excuse me? |
| 05:30.35 | a_meteorite | eh |
| 05:30.48 | daniel_jackson | I'm kidding of course |
| 05:33.07 | a_meteorite | I'm not sure what you even meant |
| 05:33.18 | daniel_jackson | don't worry about it |
| 05:33.19 | JeffM | I don't think he does ether |
| 05:33.41 | daniel_jackson | nvrmnd about ait |
| 05:33.44 | daniel_jackson | it |
| 05:34.09 | daniel_jackson | I'm sry I said it |
| 05:34.23 | macsforme | yeah the world doesn't need programmers, let's go back to punch cards |
| 05:34.36 | daniel_jackson | yeah! lol |
| 05:34.53 | a_meteorite | you still have to be a programmer to use a punch card |
| 05:34.59 | JeffM | those were still programers |
| 05:35.06 | macsforme | mm, true |
| 05:35.10 | JeffM | you'd have to go back to when a computer was a person |
| 05:35.22 | daniel_jackson | hey I'm a person |
| 05:35.37 | JeffM | "computer" used to be a job title |
| 05:35.43 | daniel_jackson | oh ok |
| 05:36.31 | JeffM | they would do math and compute tables |
| 05:36.42 | macsforme | fun |
| 05:37.00 | JeffM | with out them I'd be speaking german right now ;) |
| 05:38.05 | macsforme | do tell |
| 05:38.15 | JeffM | artilery tables |
| 05:38.19 | JeffM | boom boom |
| 05:38.31 | JeffM | thats what they did a lot of |
| 05:38.36 | JeffM | that kinda stuff |
| 05:41.25 | daniel_jackson | ah |
| 05:43.27 | daniel_jackson | so... hows the evolution of the game coming along? |
| 05:43.43 | JeffM | evowhatsists? |
| 05:43.44 | JeffM | ;) |
| 05:43.53 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 05:44.23 | JeffM | the game sprang forth fullyformed from its' creators mind, didn't you know that ;) |
| 05:44.58 | daniel_jackson | yeah, but I figured you monitored that stuff |
| 05:45.13 | JeffM | naw, I'm not a cleric |
| 05:45.33 | daniel_jackson | beside for uploading new pics of anime girls to your profile! lol |
| 05:46.06 | JeffM | huh? |
| 05:46.08 | daniel_jackson | but all good choices |
| 05:46.13 | daniel_jackson | nothing |
| 05:46.27 | JeffM | you must be like 14 |
| 05:47.25 | daniel_jackson | no I'm sry if I sound like that I just like poking fun... |
| 05:47.36 | JeffM | 16 |
| 05:47.51 | a_meteorite | you forgot to divide by 2, JeffM |
| 05:48.00 | JeffM | naw he's not that young |
| 05:48.15 | daniel_jackson | I'm 24 |
| 05:48.22 | JeffM | wiw |
| 05:48.23 | JeffM | wow |
| 05:48.28 | a_meteorite | you forgot to grow up like nn I think |
| 05:48.30 | JeffM | you need some better jokes then ;) |
| 05:48.39 | daniel_jackson | yeah probably |
| 05:49.18 | daniel_jackson | no mets after you have brain cancer you want to try to hold on to your youth |
| 05:50.02 | a_meteorite | does brain cancer destroy your brain cells? cause you know those things never regrow.. |
| 05:50.14 | JeffM | that enough |
| 05:51.09 | daniel_jackson | I'm sry jeff if I might say things thats just don't rub well with peopl |
| 05:51.18 | JeffM | it happens |
| 05:51.19 | a_meteorite | at least my joke made more sense ;) |
| 05:51.27 | JeffM | no it didn't |
| 05:51.35 | a_meteorite | whatever |
| 05:54.07 | macsforme | wow, Ogre has some pretty cool lighting stuff |
| 05:54.13 | a_meteorite | indeed |
| 05:54.15 | macsforme | but then I guess so do all the 3D engines |
| 05:54.21 | JeffM | most do |
| 05:54.27 | JeffM | stenecil shadows at the least |
| 05:54.51 | macsforme | our target would still be Ogre over CS currently, right? |
| 05:55.03 | macsforme | or do we still need to do that evaluation |
| 05:55.13 | JeffM | well it's never been done, so yea ;) |
| 05:55.24 | JeffM | ogre probalby supports us better |
| 05:55.26 | JeffM | with less changes |
| 05:55.38 | JeffM | but that's mostl just cus they can do Z up |
| 05:55.42 | JeffM | and right hand rule |
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| 05:58.15 | macsforme | their logo/mascot thing starts to get creepy after looking at it in all the demos :P |
| 06:09.52 | JeffM | oh god |
| 06:09.55 | JeffM | I am such an idiot |
| 06:12.37 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16569 10/trunk/bzflag/src/3D/Model.cxx: do the vertex LAST you idiot not first. GL is a state machine and the vertex fires off the draw, so the normal and UV have to be done before, or we pick up the state from the previous vert. |
| 06:15.08 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16570 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/tankview/simpleSDLView.cpp: typecast for warnings |
| 06:15.33 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16571 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/tankview/tankview.cpp: make normal drawing optional and draw the models properly now |
| 06:18.40 | JeffM | huh freakin zaH |
| 06:18.49 | JeffM | there now everyone should see the textured barrel |
| 06:24.14 | daniel_jackson | well jeff you think |
| 06:24.46 | daniel_jackson | your an idiot I just left two colons about of my groupdb file |
| 06:25.14 | daniel_jackson | well jeff you think your an idiot I just left two colons out of my groupdb file |
| 06:25.26 | daniel_jackson | driving me madd |
| 06:25.30 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 06:33.37 | JeffM | cus I'm mean |
| 06:33.38 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/bz/bzfi0018.png |
| 06:34.13 | JeffM | there are more in that dir |
| 06:35.46 | macsforme | ooo |
| 06:35.51 | macsforme | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 06:36.42 | JeffM | even blows up ;) |
| 06:36.50 | macsforme | and shadows :) |
| 06:36.51 | JeffM | tho 3 of the parts are small boxes inside |
| 06:36.57 | JeffM | shadows are drawn form the same geo |
| 06:37.20 | a_meteorite | wow |
| 06:37.24 | a_meteorite | impressive |
| 06:37.44 | JeffM | not really, I purchased that model |
| 06:37.54 | a_meteorite | the fact that it's working in game is impressive |
| 06:38.04 | JeffM | not really |
| 06:38.05 | a_meteorite | ... people actually buy models? heh |
| 06:38.09 | JeffM | treapan did most of the work |
| 06:38.16 | JeffM | I just hooked in new geo logic |
| 06:38.21 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 06:38.23 | JeffM | yeah people buy models |
| 06:38.32 | JeffM | who's got time to model everything |
| 06:38.37 | JeffM | I've acutaly sold a couple of mine |
| 06:38.56 | a_meteorite | nice |
| 06:39.08 | JeffM | and the best part is, that can NEVER be the default bzflag model :) |
| 06:39.36 | a_meteorite | so you can't make something like a texture pack with tank models? aw... |
| 06:39.43 | JeffM | sure you can |
| 06:39.46 | JeffM | THAT model can't be |
| 06:39.49 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 06:40.03 | JeffM | I can't give it out as a model |
| 06:40.10 | JeffM | and you can only load one model |
| 06:40.11 | JeffM | total |
| 06:40.13 | JeffM | for all tanks |
| 06:40.19 | JeffM | no difrent models for difrent tanks |
| 06:40.26 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 06:40.37 | a_meteorite | so nothing like your own "avatar" or whatever (I think it's been suggested like that) |
| 06:40.44 | JeffM | nope |
| 06:40.48 | a_meteorite | which, personally, I found to be a bad idea |
| 06:40.51 | JeffM | that'd be a LOT more work |
| 06:41.02 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 06:41.04 | JeffM | the tank geo manager only supports one set of lists for all tanks |
| 06:43.33 | JeffM | have to do the tread stuff too |
| 06:43.37 | JeffM | and decide how to handle that |
| 06:44.22 | JeffM | probably force everyone to use tread covers by default |
| 06:44.32 | JeffM | and make them 2 models |
| 06:44.36 | JeffM | with animated UVs |
| 06:44.42 | JeffM | that way you could do wheels if you wanted too |
| 06:44.57 | JeffM | and if someone wants the silly BIG tanks we just make a model with that and use it instead |
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| 09:43.26 | bz71 | hey |
| 09:43.27 | bz71 | anyone here? |
| 09:43.59 | whodaman- | hi bz71 |
| 09:45.01 | bz71 | I'm looking for a more advanced autopilot to play with |
| 09:45.04 | bz71 | any ideas? |
| 09:45.30 | brad | make 1? |
| 09:45.33 | bz71 | I see some people playing, and apparently bots (never talk, respond with "I'm just a silly machine" message when the tk me :( ) |
| 09:45.34 | whodaman- | a more advanced autopilot? |
| 09:45.43 | bz71 | Yer, for ingame |
| 09:45.55 | bz71 | The one I have is useless :P |
| 09:46.18 | whodaman- | They're just using autopilot, probably |
| 09:46.40 | whodaman- | look on the scoreboard and it should say [auto] after the players name and email string |
| 09:47.22 | bz71 | Nope |
| 09:47.33 | bz71 | They are using a not autopilot game mode :S |
| 09:47.40 | bz71 | Which is cheating I guess |
| 09:48.07 | bz71 | What I want is something legit. Something I can play against locally, and put into online games with permission |
| 09:48.16 | bz71 | Are there plugins for that, or only code hacks? |
| 09:48.36 | whodaman- | how are you sure those people are really bots? |
| 09:48.51 | brad | bzflag -solo <num> |
| 09:49.21 | whodaman- | And yeah |
| 09:49.30 | brad | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Single_Player_Mode |
| 09:51.18 | bz71 | they never talk, fairly advanced bots (not as good as some players, but they do ok), and respond with "I'm just a silly machine" message when the tk :( ) |
| 09:51.30 | whodaman- | Although a lot of servers don't permit you to use something like that |
| 09:51.41 | whodaman- | bz71, check out the link... |
| 09:51.45 | bz71 | yes, I know how to do solo fighting. I want something more advanced that what I fight in solo |
| 09:51.55 | bz71 | A lot of servers have a bug :P |
| 09:53.44 | brad | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZRobots/About ... could try that out :P |
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| 11:49.42 | Gilly | Hi... I'd like to mess around trying to do a bot player... should I modify the autopilot or try to make it a separate client or what would you suggest? |
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| 11:56.14 | [dmp] | Gilly: Perhaps this is useful: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZRobots/About |
| 11:57.16 | Gilly | great |
| 12:01.28 | Gilly | Does bzrobots work with version 2, btw? |
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| 12:19.25 | jorgenpt | bzrobots was written for, uh,w hatever trunk is. :-) |
| 12:23.31 | Gilly | yea.. that's how it seems :) and it also seems to have some important things like "GetObstacles" unimplemented |
| 12:26.09 | [dmp] | Yeah, lets team up with jorgenpt and beat the author ;) |
| 12:26.24 | jorgenpt | Meep |
| 12:26.30 | Gilly | :D |
| 12:26.41 | jorgenpt | I intend to finish |
| 12:26.53 | jorgenpt | It's just that I'm so busy these days. :P |
| 12:27.26 | Gilly | Yea... it's just that it's not very usable until we have at least GetTanks and GetObstacles ready |
| 12:27.38 | jorgenpt | I know, I'm a bad man. :( |
| 12:28.56 | [dmp] | jorgenpt: you need to learn to say "patches welcome" :-) |
| 12:29.03 | Gilly | ;) |
| 12:29.05 | [dmp] | i think thats a benefit of opensource :) |
| 12:29.27 | [dmp] | tried it with my boss, but then he asked what patches was. So that didnt work there :) |
| 12:30.02 | Gilly | *g* |
| 12:30.35 | Gilly | So... everything is written back-and-forth as a string between the backend and frontend is what I understood... |
| 12:30.38 | jorgenpt | Patches welcome! |
| 12:30.46 | jorgenpt | Gilly: Yeah |
| 12:31.16 | Gilly | So, if one was to implement, say, GetMyTanks, one would just have to write a serializer to some Tank class I guess. |
| 12:34.33 | Gilly | What is the difference between "AdvancedRobot" and "BZAdvancedRobot" ? |
| 12:35.32 | jorgenpt | Basically you need to implement this: |
| 12:35.33 | jorgenpt | bool GetMyTanksReq::process(RCRobotPlayer *) |
| 12:35.33 | jorgenpt | { |
| 12:35.33 | jorgenpt | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.35 | jorgenpt | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.38 | jorgenpt | } |
| 12:36.26 | jorgenpt | and a Reply for it |
| 12:36.55 | jorgenpt | Gilly: AdvancedRobot is meant to be compatible with RoboCode API |
| 12:38.19 | Gilly | So that's what I should use for production of robots, right? |
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| 12:39.37 | Gilly | ooh :) |
| 12:39.47 | Gilly | I'm a bit slow today. |
| 12:39.58 | Gilly | RoboCode is some existing piece of software, right? ;) |
| 12:41.31 | jorgenpt | Yes |
| 12:41.36 | jorgenpt | RoboCode is what BZRobots is inspired by |
| 12:42.05 | Gilly | I see :) Yea... I played with robocode long time ago... also droidbattles *g* |
| 12:42.15 | jorgenpt | And the plan is to implement a API for people who're writing bots specifically for bzf (AdvancedRobot / Robot) and one for porting bots written for RoboCode. |
| 12:42.36 | jorgenpt | If the API is somewhat similar to what the normal RoboCode API, then porting will be a breeze |
| 12:42.39 | jorgenpt | :) |
| 12:42.49 | Gilly | so true, so true :) |
| 12:42.54 | jorgenpt | Err, specifically for bzf is BZAdvancedRobot / BZRobot |
| 12:42.59 | jorgenpt | (obviously) |
| 12:43.01 | Gilly | i know |
| 12:43.04 | Gilly | :) |
| 12:43.22 | Gilly | So you are using RobotPlayer form src/bzflag/ as a base for RCRobotPlayer? |
| 12:43.38 | jorgenpt | Yes |
| 12:44.07 | Gilly | ok, that beast has an obstacle list but I don't see any player lists anywhere |
| 12:44.44 | jorgenpt | If you feel like doing any work on it, please do. If you have any questions, you're free to direct them to me both here and in privmsg,I 'll answer to the best of my abilities. I've barely touched it in quite a few months. |
| 12:45.24 | Gilly | Oh, I'd love to, but I neither am sure if I have time :( |
| 12:45.38 | jorgenpt | There is a GetPlayers |
| 12:45.59 | Gilly | Ah, true, inherited from LocalPlayer I guess. |
| 12:46.01 | jorgenpt | It sends a list of current other players, along with position and all (iirc) |
| 12:46.23 | jorgenpt | You _can_ get other players, GetObstacles is missing, though. |
| 12:46.41 | jorgenpt | See /bots/StalkBot.py |
| 12:46.53 | Gilly | Ok :) I'll check. |
| 12:47.04 | jorgenpt | Also TurretBot.py |
| 12:47.21 | jorgenpt | That'll be /bots/python/StalkBot.py - sorry |
| 12:48.24 | Gilly | Yea... there seems to be GetPlayers, I was just mistaken by the wiki :) |
| 12:49.28 | Gilly | These bots seem evil, they don't check the team of the target *g*. |
| 12:51.53 | Gilly | ohoh, or maybe it does GetPlayers seems to drop observers and teamies if I interpret the code correctly |
| 12:54.53 | jorgenpt | No, I think it only skips observers |
| 12:55.17 | jorgenpt | if (team == startupInfo.team && startupInfo.team != AutomaticTeam) |
| 12:55.17 | jorgenpt | Hm |
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| 12:55.42 | jorgenpt | I think that just checks if they're on the standard team, and that the standard isn't to assign them to one of the teams. |
| 12:55.53 | jorgenpt | I _think_. I'm pretty certain I copied that line from the old bzrobots ;) |
| 12:57.13 | Gilly | ok :) |
| 12:59.01 | jorgenpt | Huh. brlcad, what's startupInfo.team used for, and it seems to be valid for it to be any team - is that right? |
| 12:59.33 | jorgenpt | If so, that line should probably be deleted. I'm not sure. |
| 12:59.51 | jorgenpt | Anyway, heading to the gym. Good luck, I'll read all hilights when I get back, and perhaps the backlog if you ask it of me ;) |
| 12:59.54 | jorgenpt | Cya! |
| 13:00.18 | Gilly | Cya! :) |
| 13:01.22 | Gilly | I'm having problems getting the current SVN to compile... complaining about undefined references to OBJModel::{draw, read} and OBJVert::OBJVert |
| 13:02.28 | Gilly | weird because ../3D/lib3D.la is being linked in when linking /src/bzflag |
| 13:03.36 | Gilly | aah |
| 13:03.41 | Gilly | it was in /src/geometry |
| 13:03.54 | Gilly | added ../3D/lib3D.la to libadd in Makefile.am and it works now. |
| 13:05.59 | brlcad | startupInfo.team holds the player's team |
| 13:05.59 | spldart | See! Talking to one's self often does help :) |
| 13:06.55 | brlcad | jorgenpt: yes, valid to be any team (it's an enum int corresponding to a set of valid teams on the bz-side) |
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| 13:12.34 | Gilly | also bzrobots' SharedObjectLoader won't compile on my 64 bit system because the cast from 64 bit pointer to an 32 bit int is illegal |
| 13:16.29 | brlcad | using current head? |
| 13:16.32 | Gilly | yes |
| 13:16.44 | brlcad | huh, that should all be fairly safe now |
| 13:16.49 | Gilly | I fixed it by translating the switch to using the __LP64__ macro. |
| 13:17.21 | Gilly | Also, if you didn't notice, see the bug in /src/geometry |
| 13:17.50 | Gilly | using gcc 4.2.2 |
| 13:19.46 | brlcad | i can't poke it at the moment, but what was the actual compile error for SharedObjectLoader? |
| 13:21.04 | brlcad | there shouldn't be a cast to int any more |
| 13:21.09 | Gilly | Argh, can't find it anymore but there are lines like createAddr32 = (int32_t)createSymbol; |
| 13:21.21 | Gilly | createSymbol is void * type |
| 13:21.27 | Gilly | and compiler will fine |
| 13:21.41 | Gilly | it doesn't know we won't run this code because it's not preprocessed out but is instead treated with a switch |
| 13:21.50 | brlcad | right, but preceeding that is case (sizeof(createSymbol) == int32_t) |
| 13:22.05 | Gilly | yes but i guess the compiler isn't that clever |
| 13:22.34 | Gilly | or at least not at that phase... |
| 13:22.37 | brlcad | i think something else is going on |
| 13:22.54 | Gilly | hm |
| 13:23.19 | Gilly | er... i'm typing horrible english nowadays, meant compiler will *whine* of course :D |
| 13:23.55 | Gilly | i don't know what else it could be |
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| 13:24.19 | brlcad | that's why I needed the actual error :) |
| 13:24.29 | Gilly | reverted the file: |
| 13:24.30 | Gilly | SharedObjectLoader.cxx:59: error: cast from 'void*' to 'int32_t' loses precision |
| 13:24.30 | Gilly | SharedObjectLoader.cxx:82: error: cast from 'void*' to 'int32_t' loses precision |
| 13:24.35 | Gilly | very clear :P |
| 13:24.39 | brlcad | what's the compile line? |
| 13:24.48 | Gilly | g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../include -I../../include -I../bzflag -I/usr/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -Wall -W -Wundef -Wshadow -ffast-math -fno-exceptions -g -O2 -MT SharedObjectLoader.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/SharedObjectLoader.Tpo -c -o SharedObjectLoader.o SharedObjectLoader.cxx |
| 13:24.53 | Gilly | SharedObjectLoader.cxx: In member function 'virtual bool SharedObjectLoader::load(std::string)': |
| 13:25.07 | brlcad | okay |
| 13:25.28 | brlcad | I think I see what it's moaning about |
| 13:27.51 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16572 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/SharedObjectLoader.cxx: convert to a 64-bit int type before casting to int just in case it actually is a 64-bit pointer |
| 13:27.57 | brlcad | that should do it |
| 13:28.21 | Gilly | works as promised |
| 13:30.35 | Chestal | hmm, I wonder if one can just use size_t |
| 13:31.21 | Gilly | http://www.pastebin.org/19227 <-- that's the other problem I had. |
| 13:34.03 | Gilly | Anyways, I was able to produce a binary but now I get: Could not set Video Mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual. |
| 13:34.06 | Gilly | ERROR: Unable to initialize an OpenGL renderer |
| 13:34.10 | Gilly | when trying to run bzflag |
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| 14:29.49 | rtfm | Gilly: try running with -window, and then selecting a valid resolution in-game |
| 14:30.30 | Gilly | doesn't work either |
| 14:30.45 | Gilly | version 2 works though, but not the current svn head |
| 14:31.09 | Gilly | tried also --without-sdl but no success |
| 14:31.25 | rtfm | hmm |
| 14:31.37 | rtfm | I haven't tried running the client in linux yet |
| 14:31.47 | rtfm | I'll have to fire up my Ubuntu laptop at some point |
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| 15:22.21 | Gilly | Ok. I finally found the reason. It's that bzflag is trying to set the GL depth to 32 which triggers my problem. |
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| 15:48.50 | Gilly | Have I mistaken something or shouldn't I be able to send a bot to mirkwood.opencombat.net:2501 by issuing ./src/bzrobots/bzrobots gillybot@mirkwood.opencombat.net:2501 bots/python/SimpleRobot.py ? |
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| 15:58.44 | jorgenpt | Gilly: Okay, then it only yields tanks on your own team, I guess: Feel free to test it. :) |
| 16:00.35 | Gilly | Er, I don't get it... for me nothing happens. |
| 16:00.50 | Gilly | I mean, I can connect just fine with the usual client to that server but no bots get there. |
| 16:01.03 | Gilly | bzrobots keeps running but produces no output |
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| 16:14.12 | _Anarchy_ | is there a contact somewhere for the bzflag forum admin |
| 16:14.36 | _Anarchy_ | the forum has broken my account and while itshappy to tell me to contact an admin neglects little details like *how* |
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| 16:17.45 | _Anarchy_ | jeffm: ah you seem to be on the admin list - how do I get a bzflag forum/global login account unbroken ? |
| 16:19.05 | WeBeGood | anything interesting happening today? |
| 16:19.31 | _Anarchy_ | no |
| 16:20.19 | WeBeGood | oh, :-( |
| 16:21.04 | brad | _Anarchy_: define 'broken' |
| 16:21.12 | Tedius | WeBeGood: interesting: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12234 |
| 16:21.16 | brad | did you change your email address? |
| 16:21.20 | _Anarchy_ | brad: no |
| 16:21.33 | _Anarchy_ | brad: I can't login, I can't ask it for the password (it says the account is inactive |
| 16:21.40 | brad | aha |
| 16:21.43 | _Anarchy_ | I can't delete it and restart it either |
| 16:22.17 | _Anarchy_ | and more importantly it won't let me good shoot people right now ;) |
| 16:22.21 | _Anarchy_ | s/good/go |
| 16:24.16 | JeffM | _Anarchy_, how is it broken? |
| 16:24.24 | JeffM | ahh you are inactive |
| 16:24.27 | JeffM | what accoutn name? |
| 16:24.32 | _Anarchy_ | Tanc Y Ddraig |
| 16:24.39 | JeffM | that's a name? |
| 16:24.44 | JeffM | did you recently register? |
| 16:24.46 | _Anarchy_ | Its a bad Welsh language pun |
| 16:24.55 | _Anarchy_ | JeffM: a few weeks ago |
| 16:25.15 | JeffM | and you got the activation e-mail and hit the link in it? |
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| 16:25.30 | _Anarchy_ | yep |
| 16:25.35 | _Anarchy_ | and nothing happened |
| 16:25.46 | JeffM | you never loged in after that? |
| 16:25.59 | _Anarchy_ | no, I only created it to actually play |
| 16:26.16 | JeffM | and you loged into the game with it and it worked? |
| 16:26.25 | _Anarchy_ | or it wasnt checking - dunno which |
| 16:26.41 | _Anarchy_ | but yes I was playing on that name last week |
| 16:26.55 | JeffM | did you ever hit the "i forgot my password" link? |
| 16:27.11 | _Anarchy_ | jeffm: only today and it told me it was inactive |
| 16:27.23 | JeffM | that's what that buton does :) |
| 16:27.32 | JeffM | it's active now |
| 16:27.47 | Gilly | aaah I hadn't compiled with python enabled ... |
| 16:28.14 | _Anarchy_ | jeffm: ta |
| 16:32.10 | JeffM | here's my idea so far, have multiple dirs in the geometry dir, then a local bzdb var point to the folder name that is used for the tank. |
| 16:32.46 | JeffM | then I turn the current 3 tanks into seperarte models, old with no treads, new with covered animated treads (default ), and the stupid looking big tread tank. |
| 16:33.07 | JeffM | then to swap tanks they just change the dir var ( maybe we put a controll on it ) |
| 16:33.11 | JeffM | _Anarchy_, it won't |
| 16:33.17 | JeffM | well it allready did |
| 16:33.20 | _Anarchy_ | Umm I just asked it to |
| 16:33.30 | JeffM | then you just set your accoutn inactive again |
| 16:33.37 | _Anarchy_ | oh gawd |
| 16:33.37 | JeffM | the mail is nearly instant |
| 16:33.40 | JeffM | check your spamdir |
| 16:33.45 | _Anarchy_ | not arrived here |
| 16:33.53 | JeffM | then your ISP sucks |
| 16:33.53 | _Anarchy_ | not yet anyway |
| 16:33.59 | _Anarchy_ | JeffM: I am my ISP |
| 16:33.59 | JeffM | check your spam folders |
| 16:34.13 | JeffM | _Anarchy_, dosn't change the statement ;) |
| 16:34.18 | _Anarchy_ | possibly not |
| 16:34.31 | JeffM | we send the message when you hit the button, it's very often captured by spam filters |
| 16:34.36 | JeffM | because it's not a repply or anything |
| 16:35.08 | _Anarchy_ | zilch nada - and nothing in the sendmail log either |
| 16:35.19 | _Anarchy_ | must be backed up somewhere |
| 16:36.19 | JeffM | what is your e-mail addy |
| 16:36.46 | _Anarchy_ | number6@the-village.bc.nu but its probabyl just sitting on a backup server right now |
| 16:36.59 | JeffM | that is not the e-mail set on the account |
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| 16:55.37 | JeffM | so I think I'll move the tank textures then into the geometry dir, so that you can have a one filder dropin for the tank |
| 16:55.46 | JeffM | with red.png, green.png, etc.. |
| 16:59.45 | JeffM | also what do people think about having a file that defines the tank model? |
| 16:59.55 | JeffM | says what is treads, says what is wheels, etc.. |
| 17:05.35 | ruskie | usable |
| 17:05.55 | JeffM | can make tankview generate the def file too if needed |
| 17:26.00 | Gilly | How would I make a .so inside the source tree. For me it seems they are generated only when I run make install what I wouldn't like to do. The particular file I need is /src/bzrobots/bzrobot_pyext.so. |
| 17:26.09 | Gilly | ? |
| 17:26.24 | JeffM | they are in a subdir |
| 17:26.25 | JeffM | .lib |
| 17:27.02 | Gilly | Aah, thanks. |
| 17:29.04 | Gilly | Now I just wonder why the bot isn't connecting to the server I specify :( |
| 17:29.50 | Gilly | I try to run it like this: ./bzrobots gillybot@mirkwood.opencombat.net:2501 ../../bots/python/StalkBot.py |
| 17:30.04 | Gilly | there are no errors in backend.log or frontend.log |
| 17:30.09 | Gilly | but no bot on the server either |
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| 18:29.58 | Gilly | jorgenpt: Erm... printError isn't working because it's missing some Bundle... that's why I'm not getting any useful information... any ideas how to fix it? |
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| 19:29.43 | jorgenpt | Gilly: Huh? Bundle? |
| 19:30.08 | Gilly | Yea... it was a problem with BundleMgr |
| 19:30.16 | Gilly | Because printError needs it for some parsing. |
| 19:30.22 | Gilly | I assume it's about locales or something like that. |
| 19:30.41 | Gilly | I added some little piece of code to just get it working, using the default locale. |
| 19:30.49 | jorgenpt | Uh, never touched that. |
| 19:32.13 | jorgenpt | That's added after I wrote bzrobots, the bundle thing, I think |
| 19:33.59 | jorgenpt | D |
| 19:34.18 | jorgenpt | Seems like bzrobots calls BundleMgr::getBundle, which is probably what's causing your error |
| 19:35.46 | Gilly | It does call that? |
| 19:35.54 | Gilly | Where? |
| 19:36.03 | jorgenpt | Err, doesn't call* |
| 19:36.22 | Gilly | :) yea, it is, i fixed it already |
| 19:36.29 | jorgenpt | World::getBundleMgr()->->getBundle(World::getLocale()); |
| 19:36.35 | jorgenpt | Like that? |
| 19:36.38 | Gilly | um no |
| 19:36.39 | jorgenpt | (with only one ->, of course) |
| 19:36.53 | jorgenpt | Oh, hm, okay. I'm not sure that works, 'tis just a suggestion. :) |
| 19:36.54 | Gilly | I imitated the one used in bzflag/bzflag.cxx |
| 19:37.16 | Gilly | that is, you construct a new BundleMgr, assign it to the world and then call bm->getBundle(World::getLocale()); |
| 19:37.26 | jorgenpt | Ah, yeah, it seems you need to do that |
| 19:37.45 | jorgenpt | Since World::getBundleMgr() is set using setBundleMgr() in main. |
| 19:37.53 | Gilly | Yea ;) |
| 19:38.09 | jorgenpt | Really, bzflag/bzrobots should be restructured to share code. But it's most likely a time-consuming project of breakage :p |
| 19:38.38 | Gilly | heh :P I couldn't get bzrobots to join a public server but I managed to get the bot on localhost |
| 19:39.11 | jorgenpt | Does the server allow bots? AFAIK the client connects as a bot, not as a user. |
| 19:39.38 | Gilly | aah, that could be it |
| 19:39.54 | Gilly | the error reported was a SocketError |
| 19:40.01 | Gilly | but yea... those bots don't seem to work too well |
| 19:40.05 | Gilly | they are not turning for example |
| 19:40.19 | Gilly | They get the bearing to me but won't turn. |
| 19:40.21 | jorgenpt | Really? Could've been broken by other changes in bzrobots. :p |
| 19:40.55 | Gilly | :P |
| 19:42.19 | Gilly | It's also a bit problematic because the program segfaults quite often :D |
| 19:42.24 | jorgenpt | :o |
| 19:42.34 | jorgenpt | Patches welcome. |
| 19:42.37 | Gilly | ;) |
| 19:42.43 | Gilly | darn [dmp] |
| 19:42.49 | Gilly | (j/k) |
| 19:43.08 | jorgenpt | Sorry, but I haven't got the time to look at it, especially not right now |
| 19:43.21 | Gilly | Is it intended that the bot joins both as an observer and as a player? |
| 19:43.26 | jorgenpt | Yes |
| 19:43.29 | Gilly | ok |
| 19:43.34 | Gilly | May I ask why? |
| 19:43.48 | jorgenpt | It has to do with receiving some of the data, chat or something. Can't recall exactly what it was. :-) |
| 19:43.58 | Gilly | ok :D |
| 19:44.10 | jorgenpt | Since it joins as a bot |
| 19:45.50 | Gilly | I would make a patch for the BundleMgr thing but the problem is that the original code in bzflag uses PlatformFactory to get some Media directory to the BundleMgr and I pass just an empty string instead... I guess it might affect the localization or something in such a way that bzrobots won't be localized. |
| 19:47.29 | [dmp] | jorgenpt: you learn quickly :) |
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| 19:52.14 | jorgenpt | Gilly: What prevents you from using the same PlatformFactory to get the media dir? |
| 19:53.02 | Gilly | I'm not sure. It *might* be that it would bring some nasty video stuff etc. along. |
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| 20:26.27 | whodaman | hf |
| 20:28.02 | Winny | yay, worked |
| 20:30.51 | Winny | JeffM, has anything changed in the data folder structure-wise since the last posted 2.1 build? |
| 20:31.01 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:31.06 | JeffM | like IIRC, FONTS |
| 20:31.15 | JeffM | and oh say.. the geometry folder |
| 20:31.26 | JeffM | .14 was wicked old |
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| 20:34.58 | Winny | JeffM, my console says "you oined the red team" ... spelling error? |
| 20:35.15 | JeffM | probably |
| 20:35.16 | whodaman | heh |
| 20:35.38 | Winny | hehe |
| 20:36.13 | JeffM | or a cat error |
| 20:36.14 | JeffM | dunno |
| 20:36.28 | tannerld | lol |
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| 20:47.15 | Winny | oins* |
| 20:47.32 | awilcox | no, I am oinking them. |
| 20:47.42 | JeffM | the code looks fine so it's ether in the string tranlation, or message code |
| 20:48.07 | awilcox | Or maybe it's a different language? I dunno... |
| 20:49.57 | Winny | hmm, JeffM, did the size of the header/title image change? |
| 20:50.14 | JeffM | probably |
| 20:50.20 | JeffM | all that stuff changed with the font system |
| 20:52.55 | Winny | woohoo, random SVN errors |
| 20:54.39 | JeffM | random usualy isn't |
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| 21:27.05 | Winny | JeffM, I take it from those screenshots UV mapping works |
| 21:27.19 | JeffM | yep |
| 21:27.24 | JeffM | now that I do things in the correct order |
| 21:27.35 | JeffM | you didn't see the textured barrel? |
| 21:27.43 | JeffM | on the base tank |
| 21:27.50 | Winny | nope, not yet |
| 21:29.35 | Winny | whoa.. cool |
| 21:29.43 | JeffM | you'll have to turn off animated treads |
| 21:29.50 | JeffM | I haven't changed that part yet |
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| 21:30.26 | JeffM | I want to convert the base tanks to models first and then remove the hardcoded geo so I can see what is drawn by what |
| 21:32.04 | JeffM | the LODs will be the harder parts :( |
| 21:32.09 | JeffM | I may just manualy do them |
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| 21:39.23 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16573 10/trunk/bzflag/data/geometry/tank/std/ (Makefile.am turret.obj): add something like a correct turret ( needs a cap on the bottom ) |
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| 21:55.40 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16574 10/trunk/bzflag/ (26 files in 9 dirs): |
| 21:55.40 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: rename geometry to 'models' since that makes more sense ( and it'll have textures later ) |
| 21:55.40 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: add obj replacements for all LODs |
| 21:55.40 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: add bzdb var to identify what model is loaded "PlayerModel", default to "tank" |
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| 22:11.34 | JeffM | Winny, if you are going to play with models you probalby want to make a new dir with your tank name, and set PlayerModel "yourdirName" in your config |
| 22:11.44 | JeffM | then any updates won't blow you out |
| 22:13.19 | Winny | ok |
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| 23:18.32 | JeffM | hey brlcad got a model of a tank we can use ;) |
| 23:26.21 | JeffM | hmm, I may remove wheels for a bit |
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| 23:30.19 | scgtrp | can i turn off mouse movement somehow? |
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| 23:31.03 | Winny | just don't move it? :p |
| 23:31.23 | scgtrp | Winny, too hard to resist :P |
| 23:31.24 | Winny | yeah, options -> inputs settings -> active input device |
| 23:32.06 | scgtrp | that's it. thanks |
| 23:32.27 | scgtrp | it is hard to resist when you're multitasking between coding and testing a map :P |
| 23:32.46 | scgtrp | hmm, speaking of coding maps, is there a way to do ramps? |
| 23:33.03 | JeffM | depends what you mean by "do" |
| 23:33.06 | JeffM | tanks can not tilt |
| 23:33.15 | JeffM | but you can make a mesh that is ramp shaped |
| 23:33.20 | JeffM | but the tank will not drive up it |
| 23:33.35 | scgtrp | JeffM, something a tank can drive up |
| 23:33.44 | JeffM | tanks can't drive up anything |
| 23:33.49 | scgtrp | piles of boxes get boring after a while :( |
| 23:33.50 | JeffM | it's part of the gameplay mechanic |
| 23:33.59 | JeffM | that's part of what is bzflag ;) |
| 23:34.23 | JeffM | a mesh ramp will behave the same way as if you were to hit a pyramid |
| 23:34.31 | JeffM | since it is a sloped surface |
| 23:35.01 | scgtrp | yeah. makes sense for steep slopes, but tanks should be able to drive up like a 1-degree incline... |
| 23:35.14 | JeffM | not part of our physicis |
| 23:35.31 | scgtrp | yeah, figured |
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| 23:50.20 | spldart | yah gotta hop up ramps hehe |
| 23:51.58 | awilcox | ramps would be awesome! but would prolly kill the devs :/ not worth it :p |
| 23:52.49 | scgtrp | awilcox, of course it is - get more devs :) |
| 23:53.20 | awilcox | scgtrp: easier said then done, my friend -- physics engines are a nightmare :) |
| 23:53.31 | awilcox | scgtrp: of course, if *you* would like to help... |
| 23:53.43 | scgtrp | awilcox, i can barely do 2d physics right. |
| 23:53.51 | scgtrp | trust me, you don't want me near your code |
| 23:53.53 | awilcox | haha. |
| 23:54.13 | F687s | if I can recall, movement not parallel to the ground wasn't done because it would be too complex for players |
| 23:54.26 | awilcox | too...complex? |
| 23:54.26 | scgtrp | F687s, why can we jump :P |
| 23:54.35 | scgtrp | yeah, that's not complex for players |
| 23:54.40 | scgtrp | developers probably, but not players |
| 23:54.48 | Winny | huh? |
| 23:54.52 | awilcox | F687/s: um...I can drive a car up an exit ramp... |
| 23:54.55 | F687s | well, no, tanks rotating, like driving up pyramids |
| 23:54.56 | blast007_nokia | too complex for bzflag |
| 23:55.08 | blast007_nokia | it is a design choice |
| 23:55.09 | scgtrp | driving up to a 1-degree ramp and suddenly stopping is a bit funky |
| 23:55.10 | Winny | It's totally easy to implement, but then it gets confusing, since you need seperate turret, etc. |
| 23:55.20 | Winny | then go play a different game :) |
| 23:55.20 | scgtrp | ? |
| 23:55.25 | F687s | even worse would be tanks flipping upside down |
| 23:55.28 | blast007_nokia | not a technical limitation |
| 23:55.34 | scgtrp | Winny, i'm not complaining, just saying |
| 23:55.36 | F687s | "You're stuck upside-down, you lose ;-)" |
| 23:55.39 | scgtrp | F687s, no |
| 23:55.43 | scgtrp | how would you do that? |
| 23:56.03 | scgtrp | just cap it at a certain angle, say 30 degrees |
| 23:56.17 | Winny | still brings in the whole turret thing |
| 23:56.20 | scgtrp | ? |
| 23:56.24 | scgtrp | you never explained that |
| 23:56.30 | Winny | designed to be simple, if you want ramp, go to another game :) |
| 23:57.09 | blast007_nokia | the tank would no have to til, Winny |
| 23:57.15 | Winny | that too |
| 23:57.17 | blast007_nokia | tilt* |
| 23:57.36 | blast007_nokia | not* stupid stylus... |
| 23:57.40 | Winny | but I'm saying, turrets would need to move also, probably |
| 23:57.57 | scgtrp | ah |
| 23:58.14 | awilcox | Hah. |
| 23:58.23 | awilcox | That is actually what I was just thinking...what happens when you jump |
| 23:58.44 | scgtrp | yeah, more complex than i'd feel like coding. i don't blame the developers |
| 23:58.49 | awilcox | and think about it. sometimes we 'miss' at bzf (the HIX map). we would prolly flip multiple times :p |
| 23:59.00 | tannerld | lol |
| 23:59.05 | tannerld | that'd be....no fun |
| 23:59.09 | Winny | ehe |
| 23:59.36 | tannerld | and then you're just stuck up, treads in the air, "dead" |
