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| 00:14.09 | Erroneous | pthread-win32 is not bad |
| 00:14.19 | Erroneous | means another library though |
| 00:14.30 | JeffM | for somethig that windows has native support for |
| 00:14.37 | JeffM | it's what 4 methods? |
| 00:14.57 | Erroneous | something like that |
| 00:15.09 | JeffM | then I don't see it being too bad to wrap in platform |
| 00:15.18 | Erroneous | but it'd let us do more later |
| 00:15.36 | JeffM | well whoever applys that patch can make the call :) |
| 00:15.39 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:48.10 | Constitution | hm, knoxcorner has an avatar that is 240 pixels high |
| 00:48.55 | Winny | ?! |
| 00:49.20 | Constitution | not avatar... signature |
| 00:49.22 | Winny | eh, uh |
| 00:49.23 | Winny | oh |
| 00:49.24 | Winny | :p |
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| 02:14.33 | blast007 | JeffM: are the textures in BZFlag licensed as LGPL as well? |
| 02:15.36 | blast007 | and if so, I'm assuming that someone can't use one of those textures to make a new image, and then release that image under something like Public Domain, correct? |
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| 02:24.33 | RudyValencia | Hi, I'm trying to play BZFlag on Windows but the menu's all messed up - what's going on? |
| 02:24.42 | blast007 | ATI card? |
| 02:24.47 | RudyValencia | No, nVidia. |
| 02:24.59 | blast007 | do you have the latest drivers? |
| 02:25.02 | RudyValencia | Yes. |
| 02:25.27 | blast007 | what nvidia card? |
| 02:25.36 | RudyValencia | GeForce FX 5500 |
| 02:25.47 | blast007 | hmm |
| 02:26.12 | RudyValencia | http://testbed.revelantis.net/bzflag-messedup.png |
| 02:26.21 | RudyValencia | That's what I'm getting. |
| 02:27.43 | blast007 | getting a 404 Page Not Found? ;) |
| 02:27.48 | RudyValencia | Oops. |
| 02:27.50 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:27.57 | RudyValencia | I think Paint saved it with an uppercase extension. |
| 02:28.10 | blast007 | yup |
| 02:28.22 | blast007 | wow, that's cool |
| 02:28.31 | RudyValencia | OK, try it again. |
| 02:28.41 | RudyValencia | (with lowercase extension) |
| 02:28.41 | blast007 | yeah, I got it already |
| 02:28.44 | RudyValencia | oh |
| 02:28.48 | RudyValencia | Why's it doing that? |
| 02:28.52 | blast007 | does it work when you run full screen? |
| 02:28.57 | RudyValencia | Nope. |
| 02:28.59 | RudyValencia | Same thing. |
| 02:29.00 | blast007 | hmm |
| 02:29.21 | blast007 | is that 2.0.10? |
| 02:29.43 | RudyValencia | Yes |
| 02:29.45 | blast007 | guess I can't test on my FX 5200... I haven't got the new fan on it yet, so it's still in my drawer |
| 02:29.48 | RudyValencia | v2.0.10 |
| 02:31.31 | blast007 | RudyValencia: yeah, not sure what's going on there |
| 02:31.54 | blast007 | try modifying your config and switched to either 16 or 32 bit (depending on what it currently is) |
| 02:32.01 | blast007 | and run it full screen |
| 02:36.55 | retro | brlcad, I looked for my old SGI software CD last night, but couldn't find it. I may have given it to a friend. I'll ask and see if he has it. |
| 02:37.55 | RudyValencia | I just tried. |
| 02:38.00 | RudyValencia | I can't get it to work. |
| 02:38.10 | retro | I _DID_ find a bunch of other CDs. Several MAME ROM collections, HP-UX installation and application CDs. I'd forgotten I had some of them. :-) |
| 02:38.12 | blast007 | brlcad: do you know an answer regarding my question above regarding the license for BZFlag textures |
| 02:38.15 | RudyValencia | I'm gonna try reinstalling BZFlag |
| 02:39.31 | RudyValencia | Nope. |
| 02:39.35 | RudyValencia | Still screwed up. |
| 02:40.23 | blast007 | RudyValencia: and you're sure you have the latest driver? |
| 02:40.28 | RudyValencia | Yeah. |
| 02:40.40 | RudyValencia | I checked it. |
| 02:41.08 | blast007 | hrm, fun |
| 02:41.21 | blast007 | do other games work? |
| 02:41.58 | RudyValencia | I have no other 3D games to check. |
| 02:42.11 | blast007 | grab some game demo |
| 02:42.32 | retro | RudyValencia, that's the spirit! The only 3D game worth playing is bzflag! :-) |
| 02:42.33 | blast007 | or another open-source OpenGL game ;) |
| 02:42.42 | RudyValencia | what other game should I try? |
| 02:42.50 | retro | flightgear? |
| 02:43.05 | RudyValencia | Flightgear doesn't work right on my system - it's too slow |
| 02:43.39 | blast007 | Armagetron? |
| 02:43.56 | blast007 | or how about some of the nVidia demos? :) |
| 02:44.19 | blast007 | http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_downloads_nvidia.html |
| 02:44.45 | blast007 | there are two there that can run on an FX 5200 |
| 02:44.48 | RudyValencia | Is it possible that my video card might not be in the slot properly? |
| 02:44.57 | RudyValencia | (I took it out to clean my system) |
| 02:45.02 | blast007 | I suppose it's possible |
| 02:45.40 | RudyValencia | Hm, would one of the 3D screensavers that comes in Windows help troubleshoot the problem too? |
| 02:45.41 | retro | though not likely, imho. |
| 02:45.42 | blast007 | did it work before cleaning? ;) |
| 02:45.47 | RudyValencia | yes |
| 02:45.52 | retro | if it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
| 02:45.59 | retro | Yeah, I think the 3d screensavers in winders are opengl |
| 02:46.03 | blast007 | s/fix/clean/ |
| 02:46.10 | blast007 | they are, unless you have Vista |
| 02:46.15 | RudyValencia | Hm, they're working OK |
| 02:46.24 | retro | really, what do they use in vista? |
| 02:46.30 | blast007 | Direct3D |
| 02:46.36 | retro | ugh, that sux. |
| 02:46.43 | retro | opengl is the on true way. |
| 02:46.51 | blast007 | tell that to Microsoft |
| 02:46.54 | retro | then again, MS always chooses the dark side. |
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| 02:48.04 | RudyValencia | Hm. |
| 02:48.14 | RudyValencia | Armagetron Advanced seems to do the same thing. |
| 02:48.21 | RudyValencia | I wonder what's going on. |
| 02:48.24 | blast007 | I guess try to reseat the card |
| 02:48.37 | blast007 | and make sure you didn't blow dust *into* the slot ;) |
| 02:48.43 | RudyValencia | I didn't. |
| 02:48.46 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:48.53 | blast007 | but yeah, reseat the card, and try again |
| 02:49.00 | RudyValencia | OK |
| 02:49.02 | RudyValencia | brb |
| 02:51.01 | retro | hrm, do you think he might have static zapped the graphics card? |
| 02:51.24 | retro | Does Rudy live where it gets cold and dry? |
| 02:51.25 | short_circuit | cotton swab with isopropyl aclohol on the contacts on the card and "contact cleaner" on the socket with mobo facing down are a good way to clear 'dirt' issues causing lockups and artifacting... if that's the cause |
| 02:51.54 | short_circuit | static damage retro? |
| 02:52.01 | short_circuit | Hope it's not the case |
| 02:52.11 | blast007 | I don't think I've ever damaged something with static :P |
| 02:52.16 | short_circuit | I have |
| 02:52.18 | retro | ya, me too. But it is winter here in the northern hemisphere |
| 02:52.18 | short_circuit | :( |
| 02:52.39 | short_circuit | But I work with mosfet stuff all the time |
| 02:52.54 | retro | and those oxide layers keep getting thinner |
| 02:53.02 | short_circuit | yes they do |
| 02:53.51 | short_circuit | electron migration and static damage of doped layers becomes more and more an issue every quarter |
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| 02:58.02 | RudyValencia | OK, it's still messed up. |
| 02:58.11 | RudyValencia | It was working with the basic MS driver. |
| 02:58.26 | RudyValencia | AFAIK. |
| 02:58.55 | RudyValencia | Gonna try rolling back to the MS driver. |
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| 03:02.12 | RudyValencia | Hm. The basic MS-supplied driver works, but not the nVidia driver. |
| 03:05.08 | blast007 | grab an older nvidia driver |
| 03:05.24 | RudyValencia | whoa. |
| 03:05.27 | blast007 | http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp-2k_archive.html |
| 03:05.31 | RudyValencia | my computer's fan came on./ |
| 03:06.10 | blast007 | you're running a 3D game. it's gonna generate a bit more heat than Solitare. |
| 03:06.29 | RudyValencia | How old a driver should I get? |
| 03:06.33 | RudyValencia | Just the last version |
| 03:06.33 | RudyValencia | ? |
| 03:06.36 | blast007 | that's for you to decide ;) |
| 03:06.45 | blast007 | my cards don't have an issue |
| 03:06.59 | blast007 | you'll probably have to mess around with a few versions |
| 03:08.30 | RudyValencia | Gonna try 94.24. |
| 03:27.40 | short_circuit | LOL... 1 year old nvidia drivers ftw here! |
| 03:28.11 | short_circuit | New nvid drivers are a real issue for me on multiple machines |
| 03:28.16 | short_circuit | XP Pro |
| 03:28.22 | short_circuit | What OS is he on? |
| 03:29.12 | blast007 | Windows of some kind |
| 03:29.17 | short_circuit | thought so |
| 03:29.22 | short_circuit | my linux is fine with any nvid |
| 03:29.36 | short_circuit | xp pro is best with 1 y/o drivers here |
| 03:30.42 | blast007 | I'm using the latest drivers on my gaming box |
| 03:30.46 | blast007 | short_circuit: what card? |
| 03:31.16 | blast007 | guess for you it's more than one card/system |
| 03:31.25 | blast007 | my 7900GTO works fine the the latest |
| 03:31.39 | blast007 | and I use the latest on the laptop's 7600GT |
| 03:32.00 | blast007 | (the laptop runs Vista) |
| 03:32.07 | short_circuit | all 5000 and 6000 here |
| 03:32.38 | retro | Rudy never came back... |
| 03:32.39 | short_circuit | But all are xp pro/ debian dual boot... all problem follow nvid and xp |
| 03:33.14 | retro | I won't mention what I'm running at home. |
| 03:33.54 | retro | Actually, I'm not even sure. It's an all-in-wonder card from ATI. I don't remember what chip. And I'm running windows 98. It just keeps working. TOo bad the hardware is getting flaky though. It crashes when it's hot. |
| 03:34.06 | short_circuit | meh... 5 thousand series and 6 thousand series |
| 03:34.15 | blast007 | retro: add more fans ;) |
| 03:34.36 | retro | all I do on that box is surf the web, do e-mail, and play bzflag. Oh, and I guess I run the gps software from time to time. |
| 03:34.37 | blast007 | I threw in two 120mm's next to my GPU |
| 03:35.07 | retro | blast007, I try to keep a quiet PC. I bought a mongo low noise cpu heat sink, and the same for the gpu |
| 03:35.27 | blast007 | I had some system crashes when playing games, and figured it was either heat or that the PSU wasn't good enough |
| 03:35.41 | blast007 | and since the fans, it hasn't happened |
| 03:35.50 | retro | The GPU heatsink actually takes up a slot, and blows the heat out the back of the machine. |
| 03:36.10 | blast007 | that's how my GPU came out of the box |
| 03:36.17 | retro | but I think my problem is the actually the CPU. I bought a replacement on eBay months ago, but I haven't installed ityet. It's such a PITA |
| 03:36.45 | retro | I built my system from parts. Nothing "out of the box" about it. :) |
| 03:36.57 | blast007 | ;) |
| 03:37.13 | blast007 | so you solder your own graphics card? ;) |
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| 03:37.39 | Suspect | It's choppy in a lot of areas |
| 03:37.41 | short_circuit | I've 'reflowed' one? |
| 03:37.43 | short_circuit | :) |
| 03:39.50 | retro | You reflowed a gpu? BGA package? You are brave! |
| 03:40.18 | retro | I'm not afraid of surface mount work, as long as the pins are on the side of the package. |
| 03:40.29 | retro | I don't have the tools to handle BGA rework. |
| 03:40.45 | short_circuit | No... I'm a Profesional |
| 03:40.52 | short_circuit | ;-) |
| 03:41.03 | blast007 | a professional what? ;) |
| 03:41.07 | short_circuit | LOL |
| 03:41.09 | retro | thanks blast007 |
| 03:41.10 | short_circuit | E-tech |
| 03:41.39 | short_circuit | Just cuz I omitted an S? |
| 03:42.24 | Flash | well, if you are going to claim professional status, it is a stronger case if you spell properly |
| 03:42.41 | retro | I'm an enjineer ^H^H^H^H^H engeenir ^H^H^H^H^H injuneer ^H^H^H^H^H I write code. |
| 03:42.42 | short_circuit | Actually.. that argument holds NO Water |
| 03:43.02 | blast007 | someone should make an anti-spelling nazi plugin for x-chat. Instead of spellchecking outgoing messages, it automatically corrects incomming messages |
| 03:43.19 | short_circuit | Technical minds often have difficulties with grammar, composition and spelling. |
| 03:43.22 | retro | sadly, with the advent of e-mail, grammar is fast becoming less important in corporate life. I for one, and against the decline. |
| 03:43.40 | retro | short_circuit, I disagree with that. |
| 03:43.55 | short_circuit | I suffer severe dyslexia myself... but Am one of the leading electronics techs of the Htown area |
| 03:44.06 | Flash | I can't speak for hardware techs, but there have actually been studies that link a person's ability to communicate in their native language to their ability to write good code |
| 03:44.31 | Flash | but I didn't mean to start a huge conflagration |
| 03:44.33 | retro | dyslexia affects all types of folks. I haven't heard of it affecting techies more than any other group of people. |
| 03:44.40 | short_circuit | Well... I don't write code.. but I troubleshoot circuits |
| 03:45.02 | Flash | different skill-set entirely; butcher-away the language at your leisure |
| 03:45.04 | retro | but I'm also with Flash, I don't want to start a flame war. |
| 03:46.20 | retro | short_circuit, did you reflow the graphics card in a kitchen oven (I've heard of folks doing this) or do you have BGA rework tools? |
| 03:46.39 | short_circuit | I find it difficult to believe that the occurence of a mind being biased towards a gift of technical expertise or literary expertise with some exclusivity having been noticed by the educated among you |
| 03:46.49 | short_circuit | LMAO |
| 03:47.56 | short_circuit | I'm a profesional e-tech working at a warranty service station for Sony, Toshiba, Onkyo, Mitsubishi, Adcom, MCcintosh [sp], Fujitsu, Panasonic etc etc etc |
| 03:48.17 | short_circuit | I have a very extensive set of equipment including two specialized soldering stations |
| 03:48.25 | short_circuit | LOL @ those who don't realize who I am |
| 03:49.29 | spldart | I have been a pro E-tech @ major service centers since |
| 03:49.34 | spldart | 1986 or so |
| 03:50.07 | retro | all I have is two Metcall irons. And those are not even mine, they're in our lab here at work. |
| 03:50.13 | retro | gah, it's Metcal. |
| 03:50.32 | retro | Flash, why did you have to start that spelling flame. :-) |
| 03:50.41 | retro | Now I'm all self-concious. |
| 03:51.00 | retro | and I think I spelled conscious wrong there too. |
| 03:51.15 | retro | it's very dark in there. |
| 03:51.20 | spldart | w0rd |
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| 04:00.17 | retro | ok, time to go home. Maybe I'll have time to play bzflag tonight. :-) |
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| 04:17.08 | short_circuit | :-p |
| 04:30.40 | short_circuit | sry... been away... pogo demanded some attention... gotta go |
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| 05:28.39 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16508 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 05:28.39 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: Beginning of language support. |
| 05:28.39 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: Revamp the server-side user feedback for uploads. The error messages are no |
| 05:28.39 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: longer contained inside the template, but now in the language files. The error |
| 05:28.39 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: messages are then picked by the PHP code. Still could use improvement and |
| 05:28.42 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: opinions. |
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| 05:58.14 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16509 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (TODO upload.js upload.php): Updating the JavaScript to hide the other license info if that mode is not selected. They are shown by default in case JavaScript is disabled. (The latter change was made in the previous commit) |
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| 06:58.48 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16510 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (TODO common.php lang/en.php templates/upload.tpl upload.php): |
| 06:58.48 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: Display feedback when a user's image is successfully uploaded. |
| 06:58.48 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: Restore user input into the form fields if there was any errors. If a file was uploaded successfully, clear away that data so we don't have duplicate uploads. |
| 07:04.19 | brlcad | ~blast007++ |
| 07:05.32 | brlcad | is there a secondary holding bin for pics now? |
| 07:05.45 | brlcad | i've received a couple image submission emails that had no link or info |
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| 07:35.00 | Mets | hey guys, i'm having a little problem with bzfs |
| 07:35.55 | think_tank | what problem is that? |
| 07:36.33 | Mets | whenever people join my server, they seem to not be able to spawn, and they get kicked |
| 07:36.56 | Mets | like they'll join, and they won't be able to spawn, so they'll be forced to disconnect |
| 07:37.05 | Mets | but none of the teams are full |
| 07:37.31 | think_tank | is the spawn perm in the everyone group? |
| 07:37.58 | Mets | yeah, and some people can spawn fine |
| 07:38.08 | Mets | it seems totally random who can or cannot |
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| 07:39.54 | think_tank | hmm, that's an odd one. i've encountered it before but don't know the cause. i'm sure someone here will be able to chime in with insight eventually |
| 08:05.26 | Mets | hmm guess people went to sleep |
| 08:14.18 | ShadowSpectre | I have seen the problem. My solution was to not try to spawn until I could hear the game sounds. If I tried to spwan sooner it would not let me spawn at all |
| 08:14.42 | ShadowSpectre | Meteorite had the problem at BZFX |
| 08:19.13 | Mets | interesting |
| 08:19.20 | Mets | i don't know what causes it |
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| 13:29.17 | rtfm | Mets: you probably have too many flags on your server. Did you by chance use +f good or +f bad with a number? (ex: +f good{50} would not add 50 flags, but 50 of EVERY good flag) |
| 13:32.00 | rtfm | brlcad: there's some issue with the images that F687s has been trying to upload, so it's been sending out emails without any images in them. I haven't traced the problem down, but his uploads work fine on my system, so I probably won't bother ;) |
| 13:55.05 | F687s | 3 different images fail? That sucks... |
| 14:24.26 | Constitution | ~blast007++ |
| 14:25.17 | whodaman | hey Constitution |
| 14:25.49 | Constitution | I've had that spawn problem too... I'll join a server, it will say "Press i to spawn" (although everything is still yellow, as if I haven't been assigned to a team) |
| 14:25.53 | Constitution | hi whodaman |
| 14:26.23 | Constitution | I haven't been able to determine any recognizable pattern for when this occurs |
| 14:27.11 | Constitution | I debugged it once, and I think it was hanging up on some getLocalTime() call (iirc... can't remember the exact name) |
| 14:29.04 | Constitution | gettimeofday(), rather |
| 14:29.07 | Chestal | brlcad: I hope you enjoy it :-) Haven't really used it myself for some time |
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| 14:52.11 | Mets | rtfm, no i don't even have 50 flags on the server. Although i did realize on a seperate map I was having this problem with, that if I added over a certain number of flags, I would get this problem |
| 14:52.36 | Mets | I actually counted it out - if I added under 70 flags, it would let me spawn, but if I added over 70 flags, it wouldn't |
| 14:53.26 | Mets | on this map, there isn't a spawn problem, but if there are 7 people on the server, it won't let anybody else join, despite slots being open |
| 14:53.35 | Mets | err, there isn't a flag problem rather |
| 14:59.03 | brlcad | rtfm: ah |
| 14:59.21 | brlcad | i think i'm just anxious to see some of the enhancements :) |
| 15:00.57 | Mets | Constitution, yes that is exactly the problem i'm describing |
| 15:01.55 | brlcad | Chestal: I have been ;) |
| 15:02.27 | brlcad | i hadn't used it myself in months either, but had a hankering to turn off the tube and turn on the tunes last night |
| 15:02.37 | brlcad | been going non-stop ever since |
| 15:02.51 | Constitution | Mets: what's your OS? |
| 15:03.13 | Mets | Vista 64 |
| 15:03.21 | Mets | no laughing :) |
| 15:03.32 | Constitution | ok, so not OS-specific (I use Mac) |
| 15:03.49 | Winny | Vista really isn't that bad. No need to laugh :) |
| 15:06.03 | whodaman | heh |
| 15:11.18 | Mets | heh, true but not an ideal hosting os |
| 15:11.53 | Mets | people have a fair amount of jitter, but I just do it for fun. Some maps however, people can't spawn at all. I was luck at least 7 people could span this time |
| 15:15.53 | Mets | anyway, I gotta run to class, I'll check back in a few hours if anybody needs more info |
| 15:16.02 | Mets | thanks for the help |
| 15:19.06 | Mets | bah, it's doing it right now if anybody wants to see |
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| 15:25.14 | Winny | would it be possible for a client to make the server think it had a different slot #? |
| 15:38.01 | Winny | what the hell? somethine werid is going on |
| 15:38.50 | Winny | I entered the hostban *.nsw.bigpond.net.au ... and BZFS banned it as 255.0.0.0 ?! o.O |
| 15:45.10 | Winny | donny_baker, poke |
| 15:45.58 | Winny | an FYI evryone "the_j0k3r", seems to have decided to start cheating |
| 15:46.12 | Winny | someone with his host and IP used a grief client on my server yesterday |
| 15:48.49 | Winny | fun stuff. |
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| 16:23.41 | blast007 | Winny: are you sure you did /hostban and not just /ban ? |
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| 17:27.25 | JeffM | soooooooooo Constitution want to add something else to your list server ban thingy? ;) |
| 17:27.47 | Winny | hehe |
| 17:28.02 | JeffM | well if he's managing the IP bans, lets add ID banns too |
| 17:28.24 | JeffM | then we can disable list use of an account, but still let it be active in phpbb so we can use PMs to talk to the person |
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| 17:31.03 | JeffM | granularity in action is good. It's preferable to take the minimum action possible. |
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| 17:32.32 | Dessy | oh hi jeffm :) |
| 17:32.45 | JeffM | hello |
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| 18:48.01 | saint__ | hi all ! |
| 18:48.24 | Winny | hi |
| 18:48.34 | saint__ | Can someone tell me how to compile the bzflag sources using Visual c++ 2008 express ? |
| 18:49.10 | Winny | You need to get the correct libraries.. cURL, Curses, etc.. |
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| 18:50.03 | Mets | any reason you want to compile it with visual c++? |
| 18:50.18 | saint__ | Winny, I am a beginner. I downloaded the sources, and downloaded express. I have all kind of folders. Looks like I can open a project with VC... but what should I open and compile to get my first .EXE ? |
| 18:50.31 | Mets | you can just download the binaries for windows |
| 18:50.40 | Winny | also, why not use a prebuilt bin.. darn mets types too fast |
| 18:50.49 | Mets | :) |
| 18:51.32 | saint__ | lol |
| 18:51.34 | Mets | it's very easy to compile the source in linux, but there's no major reason to do it on windows, unless you want to alter the source code in some way |
| 18:51.35 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Download <-- that has all the new releases |
| 18:52.29 | saint__ | Mets, i don t want to alter anything yet. i am starting a programming class in C, for now it s way over my head. I played BZflag for years now. Just in the mood to do my first compile with this stuff. I'd be so happy to add a "compiled by saint" and play with it :D |
| 18:52.57 | Winny | "Mets, i don t want to alter anything yet." ... make sure you never play on public servers after modding things |
| 18:53.21 | Mets | yes, winny is right you'll get banned |
| 18:53.51 | Mets | especially right now, there's a lot of of cheating going on, most admins are pretty quick to shoot, if you know what i mean |
| 18:57.02 | saint__ | i know what you mean, and before I can modify anything, lol... it will be another year. But that's not my point.. I just want to learn how to compile something from open source. This way , one day i ll be able to add features, compile, and distribute to people |
| 19:05.18 | JeffM | we don't "officialy" support 2008 in the 2.0.x versions |
| 19:05.25 | JeffM | only in the 2.9.x stuff |
| 19:05.43 | JeffM | and yes you'll need the various libs |
| 19:06.21 | JeffM | VC9 EE should have done the platform SDK, but you'll need the directX one as well ( from april 2007 ) if it will work |
| 19:06.40 | saint__ | what's a NSIS installer builder ? |
| 19:06.52 | JeffM | if you are building our trucnk version (2.9.x ) then we support VC9 out of the box |
| 19:06.57 | JeffM | that's for building our installers |
| 19:07.02 | JeffM | you don't need it |
| 19:07.18 | JeffM | since you can't distribute code built wtih the EE versions |
| 19:07.52 | JeffM | hmm comcast |
| 19:08.00 | JeffM | what are you trying to do with compiling? |
| 19:08.13 | JeffM | going to cheat? |
| 19:08.36 | saint__ | not really. if i wanted to cheat, i would have downloaded a binary with cheats already |
| 19:08.47 | JeffM | k |
| 19:08.52 | Winny | "not really" ... |
| 19:08.55 | JeffM | if we find you are cheating, I will hunt you down and kill you |
| 19:09.00 | JeffM | seriously |
| 19:09.18 | saint__ | lol |
| 19:09.19 | JeffM | what version of the source do you have |
| 19:09.24 | JeffM | I'm not jokin |
| 19:09.29 | JeffM | no lol here |
| 19:10.03 | JeffM | are you using a source tarball, or code from SVN? |
| 19:10.36 | JeffM | don't be put off by the comment tho, we WILL help you, just saying if you are going to abbuse our trust, we will not be happy. If you arn't then all is good :) |
| 19:11.55 | saint__ | no no |
| 19:12.00 | JeffM | then all good :) |
| 19:12.13 | JeffM | so what version are you trying to build |
| 19:12.19 | saint__ | i know how to do basic stuff in C, lol.. learning.. I want to jump on the complicated side of programming |
| 19:12.24 | saint__ | 2.0.10 |
| 19:12.26 | JeffM | the windows build system has changed recently |
| 19:12.27 | JeffM | ok |
| 19:12.34 | JeffM | so you will have to do some work to get it to build |
| 19:12.45 | JeffM | did you install the platform SDK and diectX? |
| 19:12.57 | saint__ | nah.. just downloaded VC++2008 Express |
| 19:13.05 | saint__ | I was expecting something like Borland C++ Builder |
| 19:13.06 | saint__ | but hell no |
| 19:13.10 | saint__ | looks much more complicated |
| 19:13.26 | JeffM | and as part of it's install, it asked you if you wanted to download the platform SDK and direct X |
| 19:13.48 | JeffM | you may want to start on a smaler project |
| 19:13.50 | saint_ | I think I unchecked everything. Let me check the options |
| 19:13.52 | saint_ | lo |
| 19:13.54 | saint_ | yeah |
| 19:13.55 | JeffM | if oyu are just learning C |
| 19:14.06 | JeffM | bzflag is not a great first time C++ tutorial |
| 19:14.11 | blast007 | you'll get confused fast trying to follow the code in BZFlag |
| 19:14.17 | saint_ | I though it would be fun to play with a C++ game that i play all the time |
| 19:14.39 | JeffM | well you need the platform SDK, direct X from april 2007, libCurl, pdCurses, and glew |
| 19:14.46 | JeffM | install all of those |
| 19:15.03 | JeffM | and add the paths to the compiler |
| 19:15.21 | JeffM | if you just want to play with code, you may want to try the trunk version |
| 19:15.23 | JeffM | 2.9.x |
| 19:15.40 | JeffM | it has a simpler build system for VC 2008 |
| 19:15.53 | JeffM | it builds right out of the box with the platform SDK and directX |
| 19:16.19 | saint_ | ok, i will try that.. I want to try to change some stuff from english to french, just basic stuff for my own client at the begining |
| 19:16.40 | JeffM | umm for translations, we don't change the text int he code |
| 19:16.43 | blast007 | there's already a french language file for the client iirc |
| 19:16.44 | saint_ | damn |
| 19:16.47 | JeffM | we have a language maping file |
| 19:16.48 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:16.56 | blast007 | for the server you would though, since that doesn't use a language file |
| 19:16.56 | JeffM | we have language support for a lot of them |
| 19:17.14 | blast007 | not that it has much text in it |
| 19:17.16 | saint_ | what's the "trunk" version you are talking about ? |
| 19:17.18 | blast007 | mainly for the command help |
| 19:17.28 | blast007 | saint_: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN |
| 19:17.51 | blast007 | trunk typically refers to the latest development version of a project in SVN |
| 19:18.17 | blast007 | so basically bleeding edge code |
| 19:18.33 | blast007 | it should be fairly functional right now, though bugs do exist |
| 19:20.29 | saint_ | blast007, how do you go to the trunk version, from the main menu ? If I do not save your link, i'd like to be able to find it again |
| 19:20.58 | blast007 | you have to download the code with a subversion client, such as TortoiseSVN |
| 19:21.09 | blast007 | that's probably the easiest way |
| 19:21.17 | blast007 | (for Windows users) |
| 19:21.27 | blast007 | there should be directions on that page as well |
| 19:21.36 | blast007 | it's a good one to bookmark |
| 19:22.41 | saint_ | ok, just did it. So if I get this one, I then should be able to compile it on my VC++2008 Xpress ? |
| 19:22.57 | blast007 | yup, if you get the platform SDK and DirectX SDK |
| 19:22.58 | JeffM | if you have the platofmr SDK and direct X |
| 19:23.08 | saint_ | ha no.. |
| 19:23.12 | saint_ | gotta install that too |
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| 19:23.25 | saint_ | you guys are pretty nice, comparing to some other forums, lol.. thanks a lot |
| 19:23.27 | JeffM | no mater what you have too install that |
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| 19:24.00 | blast007 | saint_: yeah, we're nice. We pay our ninjas to do the dirty work. |
| 19:24.09 | saint_ | lol |
| 19:29.10 | jftsang | saint_, are you compiling 2.0.10? |
| 19:29.30 | saint_ | not yet |
| 19:29.31 | saint_ | oh |
| 19:29.35 | saint_ | i have the SDK stuff |
| 19:29.49 | jftsang | yes, but which version of BZFlag are you trying to compile |
| 19:29.57 | saint_ | i had 2.0.10 |
| 19:30.02 | saint_ | but i am going to try the 2.9 |
| 19:30.23 | jftsang | you /do/ know that 2.9.x is totally incompatible with current BZFlag servers? |
| 19:30.39 | blast007 | he's just doing it to play around with the code |
| 19:30.46 | saint_ | oah, no, I did not know.. but it s not a big deal.. it s only so i can compile and make my own tests |
| 19:32.14 | jftsang | basically, you need Platform SDK (Windows Server 2003 I believe) and DirectX SDK (April 2007; October version does not work with BZFlag) |
| 19:32.39 | jftsang | then you need libcURL, and you will need pdcurses for BZAdmin (if you choose to build that) |
| 19:33.00 | jftsang | uhhhh... why does it say SDL not recommended |
| 19:33.30 | blast007 | jftsang: because it is not recommended |
| 19:33.38 | blast007 | you'll get less functionality with SDL |
| 19:33.39 | saint_ | nah nah, i don t want to admin anything.. Damn.. I have to give a trainning right now.. Will be back in a while... 1h prob. |
| 19:33.55 | blast007 | and he doesn't need all that stuff anyway, jftsang |
| 19:34.02 | blast007 | only the platform SDK and the DirectX SDK |
| 19:34.03 | jftsang | hmmmm? |
| 19:34.14 | jftsang | you need libcURL for 2.0.11 |
| 19:34.21 | blast007 | he's not building that |
| 19:34.24 | blast007 | things change |
| 19:34.46 | blast007 | he's building 2.99.x with VC 2008 Express, and as Jeff said, it builds out of the box with VC 2008 with just the Platform and DirectX SDKs |
| 19:35.11 | jftsang | no Dev-C++ support for 2.99.x? |
| 19:35.16 | blast007 | no |
| 19:35.35 | blast007 | the one who used that does not maintain it any longer |
| 19:35.47 | blast007 | so it was dropped |
| 19:35.59 | blast007 | the Visual C++ Express edition works fine, and is free |
| 19:36.12 | blast007 | so not much motivation to make it work in Dev-Cpp |
| 19:37.41 | blast007 | jftsang: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ |
| 19:37.56 | blast007 | we include cURL in our source, so we build that automatically |
| 19:38.28 | blast007 | or at least that's what I understood from Jeff |
| 19:38.47 | blast007 | I use VC7.1, and my own build of the various libraries |
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| 20:59.34 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/#bzflag || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || 2.0.10 is out |
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| 20:59.50 | Constitution | guess I should go figure out how it works :) |
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| 21:01.31 | JeffM | OR... |
| 21:01.50 | JeffM | talk to blast007, L4m3r , and brlcad since they have done research on it |
| 21:01.57 | JeffM | colaboration and all ;) |
| 21:03.25 | Constitution | yep :) |
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| 21:14.37 | jftsang | but what about IRC? |
| 21:14.47 | jftsang | could you merge it all with IRC as well? |
| 21:15.55 | JeffM | IRC is not as clean of a choice |
| 21:15.58 | JeffM | but yes |
| 21:16.08 | JeffM | IRC itself dosn't have authenticiation support |
| 21:16.09 | L4m3r | we'd have to move away from freenode though |
| 21:16.17 | JeffM | so you'd still have to have auth services |
| 21:16.26 | JeffM | and spreading those over multiple systems would be dificult |
| 21:16.26 | L4m3r | JeffM: it does, sorta. server passwords :) |
| 21:16.33 | JeffM | yeah not the same as we need |
| 21:16.42 | JeffM | it's also very wordy for jsut auth |
| 21:16.53 | JeffM | and is rather exploitable |
| 21:18.07 | L4m3r | we don't use IRC for anything especially important, so auth isn't a big issue |
| 21:18.12 | L4m3r | we're fine where we're at, I think' |
| 21:24.35 | JeffM | well he wasn saying using IRC FOR auth |
| 21:25.00 | JeffM | and doing auth services bots would not be easy to spread out redundantly |
| 21:25.26 | JeffM | IRC it self also dosn't like merge data after a split and stuff |
| 21:25.37 | JeffM | so it'd just be a transport for our own auth systems |
| 21:25.44 | JeffM | and there are better transport systems we can look at :) |
| 21:25.57 | JeffM | openAuth or whatever that is called may be a good thing to look at tho |
| 21:26.36 | blast007 | Constitution: phpBB3 supports LDAP out of the box, MediaWiki involves dropping in a single file and a few lines of config, and Drupal has a module |
| 21:26.50 | Constitution | cool |
| 21:28.13 | blast007 | I had MediaWiki using authentication from a Windows Server 2003 system ;) |
| 21:30.16 | JeffM | yeah ldap seems to have the features for what we need, was designed to do what we want to use it for, and well suported on the platforms we care about, so it's a great starting point |
| 21:37.25 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16511 10/trunk/db/bzflsadmin.php: |
| 21:37.25 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: Logout function. |
| 21:37.25 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: Active bans now have red backgrounds, so they're easy to differentiate from the inactive bans. |
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| 21:38.34 | Constitution | there that's a little easier to read |
| 21:39.51 | joevano | do we care about expired bans? |
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| 21:40.39 | Constitution | they don't really "expire"... we deactivate them as necessary |
| 21:40.51 | joevano | ah |
| 21:40.54 | Constitution | but under the old system most were left on the list and just commented out |
| 21:41.08 | blast007 | yay for hard-coded arrays! |
| 21:41.10 | joevano | i guess that makes sense |
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| 21:48.09 | JeffM | timed bans are a local server thing |
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| 22:16.12 | blast007 | JeffM: or a phpBB3 thing ;) |
| 22:16.33 | blast007 | it's amazing how much they improved the ban system |
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| 22:40.28 | JeffM | too bad we need to ban more then just phpbb |
| 22:41.12 | blast007 | right |
| 22:41.28 | blast007 | but would be a good system to base an external ban system off of |
| 22:42.07 | JeffM | banhammer.php |
| 22:42.21 | Winny | mchammer.png |
| 22:42.25 | Winny | err.. php |
| 22:42.30 | JeffM | you can't touch that |
| 22:42.36 | Winny | indeed |
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