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| 01:52.27 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16497 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/ (12 files): |
| 01:52.27 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: move bin and temp files into specific debug and release dirs so that the pdb files don't get overwriten by other projects so that we can do build paralaisation. |
| 01:52.27 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: add browse info to debug targets for easy debuging. |
| 01:52.31 | Winny | Developers, you better live up to "BZFlag is released with dukem nukem forever" :P http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2008/02/04/daily17.html |
| 01:52.48 | JeffM | yeah didn't you see me saying that earlaer |
| 01:53.05 | Winny | nope |
| 01:53.27 | Winny | I don't sit here all day, contraray t many beliefs |
| 02:01.20 | F687s | the only difference is: BZFlag 3.0 _will_ be released |
| 02:01.32 | JeffM | what makes you say that? |
| 02:02.01 | JeffM | cus of our awesome track record of development? |
| 02:02.24 | JeffM | or the fact that it took 3 people 2 months to fix one bug ? ;) |
| 02:03.37 | Winny | hehe |
| 02:04.04 | F687s | Hey, if I have to rope up a developer or two and force them to work on it, I will make sure it gets released |
| 02:04.24 | Winny | if you rope them up, how will they type? :) |
| 02:04.25 | a_meteorite | you don't have to do that, just provide unlimited beer, pizza, and sushi |
| 02:04.26 | JeffM | what do you define as "rope"? |
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| 02:05.56 | F687s | or...just take BZRobots and some of the newer plugins and release them as the 2.2.0 |
| 02:06.03 | F687s | "expansion pack" |
| 02:06.24 | JeffM | what "newer plugins"? |
| 02:10.17 | F687s | let's see...fastmap, mapchange (now official), regFlag, unrealCTF, weaponArena, webstats... |
| 02:10.31 | JeffM | those can't go into the old codebase |
| 02:10.48 | F687s | all of them can't? darn... |
| 02:10.55 | JeffM | they need big changes to bzfs |
| 02:10.57 | JeffM | lots of them |
| 02:11.36 | JeffM | if they could work in the old API they would have been done for both |
| 02:11.44 | JeffM | weapon arena had HUGE changes |
| 02:12.00 | JeffM | fastmap requires the new client push protocoll |
| 02:12.04 | JeffM | etc.. |
| 02:12.37 | F687s | weaponArena just makes a weaponArena_DESCRIPTION...hmm....*reads code* |
| 02:12.44 | F687s | I see what you're saying, though |
| 02:13.04 | JeffM | ummm. no WA does a LOT more |
| 02:13.13 | JeffM | WA changes the shot type on each flag pickup |
| 02:13.21 | JeffM | 2.0.x dosn't even have the concept of a shot type |
| 02:15.10 | JeffM | but still what did you mean by "rope" |
| 02:15.20 | JeffM | convince others to do work on it? |
| 02:17.29 | nn-main | hi all |
| 02:17.31 | blast007 | if by rope, you mean, "pay lots of money", then I'll all for it! |
| 02:17.35 | JeffM | hello |
| 02:17.37 | blast007 | I'm* |
| 02:17.52 | nn-main | how do you run the bzflag client comand screenshot |
| 02:18.03 | JeffM | F5? |
| 02:18.15 | JeffM | that's the default |
| 02:18.23 | JeffM | your bindings page will show you what you are actualy set to |
| 02:19.13 | nn-main | Thanks :) |
| 02:21.15 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16498 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/ (bzadmin.vcproj bzflag.vcproj bzfs.vcproj): |
| 02:21.15 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: move bin and temp files into specific debug and release dirs so that the pdb files don't get overwriten by other projects so that we can do build paralaisation. |
| 02:21.15 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: add browse info to debug targets for easy debuging. |
| 02:25.23 | F687s | "rope" is defined as a figurative expression. I probably WOULD screw up the codebase myself... |
| 02:27.38 | JeffM | whoot for paralel builds :) |
| 02:30.44 | JeffM | bz should now build just fine "out of the box" for both debug and release targets using VC 8EE, as long as you have the 2 MS SDKs |
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| 02:54.25 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16499 10/trunk/bzflag/README.WINDOWS: add a bunch of info about the joy of VC (normal and EE ) and the various SDKs and libs that may or may not be needed to build on windows. Assume that new bin builds will be done with VC8 instead of VC7.1 |
| 02:58.29 | JeffM | that defenatly speeds up the build on a dual core |
| 03:09.41 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16500 10/trunk/bzflag/ (22 files in 2 dirs): upgrade VC 9 files to be in line with VC 8 (targets, bin dirs, etc.. ) |
| 03:10.49 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16501 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/bzfs.vcproj: copy the API lib to the root so the installer can get it easy ( and so it dosn't have to know the compiler dir ) |
| 03:12.22 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16502 10/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/ (BZFlag.nsi bzflag.exe.manifest): |
| 03:12.22 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: pull the external manifest, the default build is with VC8 now and it imbeds them. |
| 03:12.22 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: change the installer to use the VC 8 build (bins and runtimes) and new build target locations. |
| 03:13.43 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16503 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/bzfs.vcproj: copy the API lib to the root so the installer can get it easy ( and so it dosn't have to know the compiler dir ) |
| 03:26.30 | awilcox | I guess JeffM overloaded his Internet connection with too many svn commits =/ |
| 03:27.02 | Winny | hehe |
| 03:27.06 | a_meteorite | Good thing svn is atomic. |
| 03:29.24 | awilcox | ~dict atomic |
| 03:29.35 | awilcox | O_O |
| 03:32.46 | a_meteorite | ~dict atomic |
| 03:33.49 | a_meteorite | awilcox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_operation |
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| 03:36.18 | a_meteorite | awilcox: Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomicity_%28database_systems%29 |
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| 03:38.38 | blast007 | basically means "all or nothing" |
| 03:39.14 | a_meteorite | Yeah |
| 03:39.20 | JeffM | IIRC the concept of atomics in code means it depends on nothing else and can exist on it's own |
| 03:39.36 | blast007 | JeffM: it was about SVN and atomic commits |
| 03:39.56 | JeffM | yeah they are complete, and depend on nothing else ;) |
| 03:40.05 | JeffM | containing all they need |
| 03:41.33 | awilcox | ahh. |
| 03:42.18 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16504 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/libcurl.vcproj: copy the curl dll to the root when we build it so it can be used. |
| 03:43.07 | JeffM | basicly if it geeks in the middle of the commit, it dosn't jack up the repository, cus the commit is complete "all or none" |
| 03:43.29 | JeffM | it's not applied untill all the info is there |
| 03:43.32 | awilcox | heh. I know that >_> |
| 03:45.16 | JeffM | you arn't using a push script? |
| 03:45.53 | JeffM | and CIA should not lock anything |
| 03:47.55 | awilcox | JeffM: all I know is when I type "svn commit" on the command line it does its "Transferring file data ........" and then stops printing dots. then CIA prints. if CIA takes longer than ~25 seconds to print, then the commit fails on my client's end (but is successful on the server end) and I have to "svn merge" everything. if it doesn't take 25 seconds, the commit is successful |
| 03:48.01 | awilcox | it's really really idiotic and stupid |
| 03:48.20 | JeffM | odd |
| 03:48.26 | JeffM | sounds like an issue with your push script |
| 03:48.30 | JeffM | you can move to a poller |
| 03:49.21 | blast007 | I've had that before |
| 03:49.28 | JeffM | probalby an SF thing |
| 03:49.48 | blast007 | could be the script that SF uses for CIA |
| 03:49.58 | JeffM | can anyone else wtih VC 8 or 9 test the trunk build and ensure it sill works after my recent changes ( they may need to blow out the old dirs ) |
| 03:50.34 | JeffM | I've built on full VC8 and 9EE and it looks good |
| 03:51.09 | blast007 | meh, at some point I should probably grab an educational copy of Visual Studio 8 and/or 9 :) |
| 03:51.55 | JeffM | we got VC9 at work on the VLK, and got rights to use VC8, so we are just going with 8 :) |
| 03:52.06 | JeffM | but basicly got both of them for the price of 9 |
| 03:52.52 | blast007 | nice |
| 03:53.52 | JeffM | also if someone could proofread the changes I made to Readme.Windows :) |
| 03:54.54 | blast007 | heh |
| 03:56.08 | CIA-26 | libirc: 03blast007 * r370 10/trunk/libirc/ (include/IRCClient.h src/IRCClient.cpp): s/CTMP/CTCP/ |
| 04:03.52 | short_circuit | Whaddya think.. I have this tiny HP 586 mmx 200, 128 meg ram machine that I got for free today.... I was thinking this thing is so small it might make a better rig than the current small tower P3 450 with 512 meg ram as a ssh rig to run @ work 24/7... I run it headless with apache, bzfs, btdownload.curses and ssh into it. My free -m usually reports less than 80 meg used and top usually reports cpu usage at less than 20 % |
| 04:04.57 | short_circuit | btw... debian etch, no X |
| 04:20.10 | inchworm | short_circuit: it's a cheap wittle box that'll run headless with linux just fine for low load stuff |
| 04:20.39 | inchworm | give it enough swap and it'll bravely plow through more than you might expect |
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| 04:32.41 | spldart | Yah think?... I'm worried that a slower processor can handle the load but the lower responsiveness will mean less ability to track many users on torrents and higher lag on my bzflag server... |
| 04:33.42 | spldart | BTW.. I'm hoping the fact that I'm keeping the current rig Easily under 60 - 80 meg means I can stay outta swap and maintain as much responsiveness as possible |
| 04:34.38 | spldart | Linux and Windoze get SO SLOW when running into their swaps |
| 04:34.53 | blast007 | as long as you're not running PHP apps or MySQL, you should be fine |
| 04:35.12 | spldart | hrm... It's SO much smaller :~) |
| 04:35.30 | JeffM | what will you be going to? |
| 04:35.45 | spldart | Will need a drive controller card though.. it's to old for large hdd's |
| 04:37.07 | spldart | Am running P3 450 for apache, bzfs, bittorrent.curses, ssh and some wget... this rig is Very small and Very quiet.. but it's only 586 200 with 128 meg ram... But without X I stay in the 60-80 meg ram max isage |
| 04:37.13 | spldart | ...usage |
| 04:37.30 | spldart | no php... no MySQL :) |
| 04:37.41 | JeffM | should be fine |
| 04:38.21 | spldart | It could be very nice to regain the real estate and have near virtual silence... |
| 04:38.35 | JeffM | go dedicated ;) |
| 04:38.36 | spldart | I'm so 'on the cheap' |
| 04:39.04 | JeffM | heh |
| 04:42.10 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16505 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC71/ (bzadmin.vcproj bzflag.vcproj config.h): remove glew and curses from the default VC7.1 build to make new build easier, and since VC8 is the new compiler for binary releases. |
| 04:45.03 | JeffM | bye bye VC7 |
| 04:46.28 | JeffM | you were better then 6, but your time has come |
| 04:55.23 | JeffM | holly damn! http://www.alsbonsai.com/john/GrassShadows.wmv |
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| 04:56.35 | JeffM | and no, you won't get rickrolled |
| 04:56.58 | blast007 | JeffM: that's what they all say |
| 04:57.09 | JeffM | it's for an ogre plug-in |
| 04:57.13 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 04:59.36 | blast007 | JeffM: that's neat |
| 04:59.50 | JeffM | and it pages out the geometry so you can have worlds that are massive |
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| 06:13.15 | nn64 | hi all |
| 06:13.44 | nn64 | i just finished taking screen shots of a map with 99 robots on it |
| 06:14.03 | nn64 | total bandwith to host 99 Robots 2MB |
| 06:14.25 | nn64 | ofcorse it was on a local connections to 2MB is no problem |
| 06:15.13 | nn64 | post the photos later good night |
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| 16:54.12 | Dessy | nasatv?? |
| 16:54.28 | Dessy | could i watch that on my computer? |
| 16:54.57 | KTL | yes |
| 16:54.59 | KTL | live coverage |
| 16:55.21 | Dessy | where? |
| 16:55.23 | KTL | mms://209.73.189.135/bcpenc252181?StreamID=55271548&pl_auth=0339c8064641897b4e8487016f95fedd&ht=30&pl_b=00448ED8ED4E14898F332DA93A47AB2C59&CG_ID=1369080 |
| 16:55.25 | KTL | try that |
| 16:55.47 | KTL | vlc player can do it on linux |
| 16:55.52 | KTL | my mplayer did not cooperate |
| 16:55.52 | Dessy | yay |
| 16:55.54 | Dessy | i see |
| 16:56.28 | Dessy | interesting :) |
| 16:56.47 | KTL | most people just want to know "is it gonna blow?" |
| 16:58.04 | whodaman | heh |
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| 17:02.48 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16506 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 17:02.48 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: Add filemd5, moderationstatus, moderationmessage, and moderator fields to the database table. |
| 17:02.48 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: Get rid of Queue_Delete_ByID and change it to Queue_Update_ByID. |
| 17:02.48 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: Database rows are no longer deleted after being accepted or rejected. |
| 17:02.48 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: Update the moderation status, and store the moderation message and the moderator username in the database. |
| 17:20.57 | Dessy | when will start it? |
| 17:21.14 | JeffM | when you give him a dollar |
| 17:21.53 | Dessy | lol |
| 17:22.07 | Dessy | dont have dollar :p |
| 17:22.13 | Dessy | just euro |
| 17:22.14 | Dessy | :D |
| 17:22.14 | JeffM | then it dosn't go |
| 17:22.19 | JeffM | make change |
| 17:22.22 | Dessy | :D |
| 17:27.25 | JeffM | did anyone happen to try trunk in .net 2005 or 2008 ? |
| 17:28.47 | Dessy | no |
| 17:29.16 | blast007 | I didn't |
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| 17:29.34 | blast007 | and didn't see anyone post here regarding it |
| 17:41.33 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16507 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/bzflag.vcproj: fix debug_distribution output directory |
| 17:49.09 | donny_baker | Dessy: it is very likely that the launch will not happen today (weather), so don't get your hopes up... they only have a 10 minute launch window |
| 17:53.01 | Dessy | heh |
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| 18:02.56 | blast007 | Dessy: were you just watching the stream? did you see the bird flying around the camera? ;) |
| 18:03.24 | whodaman | blast007, he's matching |
| 18:03.31 | blast007 | oh |
| 18:03.40 | blast007 | then I guess not ;) |
| 18:03.45 | whodaman | ;) |
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| 19:26.04 | awilcox | blast007: hehe, I just connected like 2 mins ago and saw that bird ;) |
| 19:26.14 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:27.06 | awilcox | No sound though, at least in Kaffeine :/ |
| 19:27.22 | awilcox | Oh there was something! |
| 19:27.55 | blast007 | yeah, there's not much audio |
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| 19:29.43 | awilcox | haha, bird again :p hey, I should be able to step outside and see it! (I'm in southern Florida -- I can normally see the little smoke lines) |
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| 19:30.04 | awilcox | er, see it after liftoff, that is. |
| 19:30.59 | KTL | launch in 10 minutes |
| 19:31.17 | awilcox | \o/ |
| 19:31.30 | blast007 | unless they take a lunch break |
| 19:31.40 | awilcox | heh. |
| 19:31.44 | awilcox | lunch in 10 minutes :P |
| 19:31.45 | blast007 | KTL: have they decided the weather is good enough? |
| 19:31.49 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:31.57 | awilcox | blast007: yes, he said 7 minutes until countdown |
| 19:31.57 | KTL | no idea, i just came back from a friend |
| 19:31.59 | whodaman | I saw the bird! |
| 19:32.01 | blast007 | think I just saw the bird again |
| 19:32.04 | awilcox | whodaman: haha |
| 19:32.04 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:32.12 | whodaman | wait |
| 19:32.16 | whodaman | is this a live stream? |
| 19:32.21 | blast007 | yeah |
| 19:32.32 | whodaman | did he just say "attention person.." |
| 19:32.36 | whodaman | couldn't hear the rest |
| 19:32.37 | awilcox | yes, from NASA, about 4 hr drive from here :) |
| 19:33.29 | awilcox | they are going through all the crew |
| 19:33.33 | awilcox | Oooooh good shot! |
| 19:34.33 | awilcox | "looks like a really good day to go flying, you are clear for launch" |
| 19:35.15 | whodaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.19 | whodaman | "copy that" |
| 19:35.23 | awilcox | 8-) |
| 19:35.57 | awilcox | one min 20 sec to countdown clock |
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| 19:36.19 | MacBook | nice |
| 19:37.15 | awilcox | T - 9mins |
| 19:37.19 | KTL | countingggg |
| 19:37.49 | MacBook | Exciting :D |
| 19:37.50 | Dessy | i watch it :D |
| 19:38.07 | awilcox | MacBook: You have the NASATV feed? |
| 19:38.28 | MacBook | awilcox: (I'm whodaman) yes |
| 19:39.27 | MacBook | although it's loading much slower on the macbook |
| 19:39.39 | blast007 | MacBook: it thinks different |
| 19:39.52 | MacBook | I'm sure it does |
| 19:43.50 | awilcox | well I'm quite glad I accidentally pressed this button :p |
| 19:43.57 | KTL | *exciting* |
| 19:43.58 | awilcox | I was trying to get to #bzchat and went to #bzflag instead :) |
| 19:44.14 | awilcox | two minutes :D |
| 19:45.44 | awilcox | 30 secs!!!! |
| 19:45.49 | awilcox | *exciting* |
| 19:46.14 | awilcox | LIFTOFFFFFFFFF |
| 19:46.55 | whodaman | oh my god |
| 19:47.01 | whodaman | safari crashes... |
| 19:48.32 | donny_baker | whodaman: my whole pc crashed |
| 19:48.47 | whodaman | ~epicfail donny_baker |
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| 19:49.30 | donny_baker | one minute 9 seconds to launch and I here a *click* and pc restarts |
| 19:50.13 | KTL | :p |
| 19:50.49 | KTL | anyway it did not blow ... doesnt look as it is going to:) |
| 19:51.32 | awilcox | I didn't see it =/ |
| 19:51.41 | awilcox | not sure why, it's probably too cloudy |
| 19:52.33 | donny_baker | it went... or what is on nasa tv? |
| 19:52.46 | awilcox | if they are 300 miles from the Cape, then those clouds are my house :P |
| 19:52.54 | awilcox | donny_baker: oh yes, it went, I meant outside |
| 19:52.56 | donny_baker | oh.. blow and in challenger |
| 19:53.03 | donny_baker | nas* |
| 19:53.10 | awilcox | I live near West Palm Beach so I normally see them, but I didn't this time |
| 19:53.20 | donny_baker | nthat would be cool |
| 19:53.30 | donny_baker | too much bzflag lately :P |
| 19:53.30 | awilcox | nyes it is :) |
| 19:53.43 | KTL | oo |
| 19:53.47 | KTL | image stopped? |
| 19:53.53 | KTL | no |
| 19:53.56 | awilcox | donny_baker: when I *can* see it, I can see the little smoke line, and what appears to be a tiny silver dot in the sky |
| 19:54.14 | awilcox | THAT is "teh awesomenesssss" |
| 19:57.14 | blast007 | fox news is going wacky |
| 19:57.24 | awilcox | blast007: ? |
| 19:57.40 | blast007 | the broadcast is going all jitterly |
| 19:58.31 | awilcox | hehe...something to think about... |
| 19:58.49 | awilcox | an 80386 and embedded Linux kernel are hurdling through space at 175000+ mph right now :P |
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| 20:05.34 | KTL | ow djee |
| 20:05.36 | KTL | that shuttle |
| 20:05.42 | KTL | is going to be above my head any minute |
| 20:06.24 | awilcox | KTL: ?! |
| 20:06.30 | awilcox | KTL: It's going to you? |
| 20:06.30 | KTL | look at the display |
| 20:06.33 | KTL | i am in belgium |
| 20:06.36 | KTL | lol :D |
| 20:06.39 | awilcox | Oh hehe :) |
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| 20:24.49 | JeffM | ya know what time it is? |
| 20:25.09 | Winny | time to dance! |
| 20:25.10 | ShadowSpectre | Time to get ill? |
| 20:25.13 | Winny | :D\-< |
| 20:25.17 | Winny | :D/-< |
| 20:25.21 | JeffM | Biznus TIME! |
| 20:25.43 | Winny | haha, I like that thing on bzbb, "they went out of busnes" or something |
| 20:26.00 | ShadowSpectre | excellent: So, we're all going to launch a DOS attack against the Apple BzFlag server? |
| 20:26.27 | JeffM | apple? |
| 20:26.41 | ShadowSpectre | you know.. the one maligning the Iphone. |
| 20:26.52 | ShadowSpectre | with the forum quote from you |
| 20:27.09 | JeffM | huh? |
| 20:27.20 | ShadowSpectre | it was a while back. NM :) |
| 20:28.23 | blast007 | "If it's a mac, then it's not cheap" |
| 20:29.07 | blast007 | ShadowSpectre: it's running right now ;) |
| 20:32.44 | L4m3r | is it run by the same assclown who tried to get images of Hitler with "think different" on them to the image host? |
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| 20:33.33 | Winny | probably |
| 20:33.34 | Winny | :p |
| 20:34.41 | Winny | I don't think these people know how offensive that is.. I mean, aligning a freaking OS with someone who killed millions of innocent people... just so stupid. |
| 20:35.28 | ShadowSpectre | Personally I like Apple... but they should have licenced their technology |
| 20:35.47 | ShadowSpectre | if they had they could now be IBM |
| 20:36.10 | L4m3r | M$ is IBM's successor |
| 20:36.24 | L4m3r | ...weighted down with a ton of cruft and middle-management that doesn't do anything |
| 20:36.44 | ShadowSpectre | Plus I see no reason they should not have released a port of MacOS for IBM compaitbles |
| 20:36.55 | ShadowSpectre | they almost did only to be stopped weeks before |
| 20:36.59 | JeffM | cus they woudl nto make money |
| 20:37.07 | JeffM | they make it on the hardware |
| 20:37.10 | JeffM | it's as simple as that |
| 20:37.55 | blast007 | L4m3r: it's running on bzfmaps |
| 20:38.01 | ShadowSpectre | but IBM and MS both made money at it... |
| 20:38.16 | JeffM | they have a difrent biz strategy |
| 20:38.27 | JeffM | they also make a LOT more apps |
| 20:38.31 | JeffM | Office anyone? |
| 20:38.48 | ShadowSpectre | I think it's a shame. I had one of the first 128k macs back in 1984. it was lightyears ahead of anything else |
| 20:39.02 | L4m3r | Yeah, Apple's entire business is shoving its hardware down its customers' throats :) |
| 20:39.04 | JeffM | except those zerox machiens they stole it from ;) |
| 20:39.13 | JeffM | I'm sure they will evolve |
| 20:39.23 | L4m3r | they'd sooner die |
| 20:39.25 | JeffM | now that they can't harp on "superiour" hardware |
| 20:39.31 | ShadowSpectre | Actually Steve Jobs paid $50,000 to be able to examine and copy it |
| 20:39.34 | JeffM | all things change with time :) |
| 20:39.52 | L4m3r | they live on the upsell |
| 20:40.22 | L4m3r | you've really only got two options for a mac... weak hardware with frills, at a high price, or an absurdly-powerful mac pro |
| 20:40.37 | whodaman | heh |
| 20:41.25 | L4m3r | no money in mid-range beige boxes |
| 20:41.37 | L4m3r | not enough profit margin |
| 20:42.08 | ShadowSpectre | Not true: the prime user would be businesses. Just look at the celerons |
| 20:42.41 | L4m3r | Businesses want a good bulk rate |
| 20:42.45 | JeffM | why would a biz pay extra for apple hardware when it's just going to ether run some web app, or office? |
| 20:42.50 | blast007 | "How do I upgrade this Mac?" "Upgrade? You mean buying a new one, right?" |
| 20:43.02 | L4m3r | there's a "get a mac" spoof for that, blast007 |
| 20:43.09 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:43.13 | ShadowSpectre | You used to be able to get a CPU card to do it |
| 20:43.25 | ShadowSpectre | there were all sorts of mac hacs |
| 20:43.29 | blast007 | ShadowSpectre: you used to be able to get mac clones |
| 20:43.32 | L4m3r | the PC talks about upgrades, and then the mac says "Upgrade?" and another mac beats him over the head, drags him away, and stands in his place :P |
| 20:43.41 | blast007 | hehe |
| 20:43.44 | JeffM | ShadowSpectre, IT generaly hates macs |
| 20:43.53 | JeffM | since they don't have that many vendors for parts |
| 20:43.56 | donny_baker | ~JeffM++ |
| 20:44.04 | JeffM | what I do now? |
| 20:44.05 | L4m3r | JeffM: that many? one :P |
| 20:44.12 | donny_baker | copyright protection |
| 20:44.19 | Winny | hehe |
| 20:44.21 | JeffM | L4m3r, there are more then one, but it's still not fun |
| 20:44.44 | JeffM | and in general most "biz" type applications don't use the OS that much |
| 20:44.55 | JeffM | your data entry people will be just slaming into some DBA |
| 20:45.10 | JeffM | most docs are going to be in office, etc.. |
| 20:45.19 | JeffM | all things that non macs can do well |
| 20:45.22 | JeffM | for a lot cheaper |
| 20:45.33 | JeffM | for those low end biz tasks, it's linux who people are lookign to |
| 20:45.41 | JeffM | sine it just lowers costs |
| 20:47.06 | L4m3r | and improves utilization and robustness by not being windoze :P |
| 20:47.16 | JeffM | not nesisarly |
| 20:47.24 | JeffM | that part depoends on your IT group |
| 20:47.28 | JeffM | but it can |
| 20:47.30 | L4m3r | true |
| 20:47.39 | JeffM | it's an option to look at |
| 20:47.41 | L4m3r | but you deal with a lot less malware crap, at least |
| 20:47.51 | JeffM | also thin clients == the shiz |
| 20:47.56 | L4m3r | :) |
| 20:47.58 | L4m3r | cheap too |
| 20:48.38 | donny_baker | and easier to apply updates to apps |
| 20:49.16 | L4m3r | I'd say, though, that laptops are more of a pain for IT people than macs are :P |
| 20:49.27 | JeffM | they are similar |
| 20:49.39 | L4m3r | laptops are also a liability |
| 20:49.47 | JeffM | tho you usualy deploy a lot less laptops then desktops |
| 20:50.02 | L4m3r | employees take them home and infect them, or use unencrypted wireless in coffee shops... |
| 20:50.22 | JeffM | thats why it's often limited to people who NEED them |
| 20:50.24 | JeffM | not just everyone |
| 20:50.26 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 20:50.38 | JeffM | and honestly it's easy for IT, just wipe them constantly ;) |
| 20:50.42 | L4m3r | heh, I used to work in a real estate office... iirc they had two laptops |
| 20:50.56 | L4m3r | one was a crappy old Acer that they only kept around for the serial port |
| 20:51.06 | L4m3r | because the door was programmed with a serial interface |
| 20:51.19 | L4m3r | the other was a really nice Toshiba tablet that no one used |
| 20:51.27 | KTL | i need a fast hash function to search for redundant files on my system, (multiples, double files), is there anything faster then that prog "md5sum" ? |
| 20:51.38 | L4m3r | the team leader in the office was an old dude who didn't even have a computer in his office |
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| 21:10.39 | Chestal | KTL: you might have sum / cksum, but do you really need to md5sum that many files? could check for size first or something |
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| 21:12.11 | KTL | well yes i know it's overkill, maybe i should do a bit more effort to optimize this |
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| 21:15.48 | Chestal | KTL: apt-get install fdupes :-) |
| 21:16.07 | KTL | waha nice :) |
| 21:16.09 | Chestal | (which uses md5) |
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| 21:38.15 | jftsang__ | ...is the list server down/ |
| 21:38.48 | F687s | not for me ;-) |
| 21:39.03 | jftsang__ | it's not down |
| 21:39.15 | jftsang__ | just my firewall decided to block port 5154 for me |
| 21:39.25 | brad | list server doesn't use 5154 |
| 21:39.34 | brad | it uses 80 or 81 |
| 21:39.48 | brad | HTTP... |
| 21:40.02 | jftsang__ | I can't access it.... |
| 21:40.23 | jftsang__ | what is it's IP address or name |
| 21:40.24 | brad | http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST <- can you see that |
| 21:40.39 | jftsang__ | yes |
| 21:41.21 | jftsang__ | but only through a web browser; BZFlag can't see it |
| 21:41.43 | brad | perhaps a firewall is blocking the application from sending/receiving? |
| 21:42.00 | donny_baker | that would be my guess too |
| 21:43.01 | jftsang__ | hmmm... I can sometimes (eg now) |
| 21:43.10 | jftsang__ | but not two minutes ago |
| 21:43.44 | brad | then your connection sucks ;) |
| 21:43.56 | brad | or the internet is broken. |
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| 21:45.53 | jftsang | hmmm. Yes, my Internet is broken. |
| 21:46.39 | brad | you own the internet? :o |
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| 21:50.25 | ts | I own it. |
| 21:50.38 | ts | I've it on my hd |
| 21:51.12 | F687s | I want an internet too! |
| 22:00.45 | JeffM | 29.95$ |
| 22:00.47 | JeffM | MSRP |
| 22:04.08 | Winny | ... |
| 22:04.41 | whodaman | ... |
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| 22:24.35 | whodaman | Winny, you should release the first ;) |
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| 22:24.39 | Winny | naa |
| 22:24.49 | whodaman | Winny, never ever?! |
| 22:25.21 | Winny | it probably will barely run on 50% of all BZFlager's computers |
| 22:25.22 | whodaman | Hmm |
| 22:25.29 | whodaman | Yeah, probably |
| 22:25.42 | whodaman | When are we making the switch to phpbb3? |
| 22:25.52 | Winny | heh |
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| 22:43.49 | Constitution | whodaman: "when we're ready", "when it's done", etc. ;) |
| 22:43.58 | whodaman | oh pff ;) |
| 22:44.18 | Constitution | anyone want to create a theme for it? |
| 22:44.37 | whodaman | heh |
| 22:55.21 | Ebert | theme for "take it as it comes"? |
| 22:55.56 | Constitution | phpBB3 theme for the BZBB :) |
| 22:57.05 | JeffM | yeah actualy we are close except for a theme |
| 22:57.14 | JeffM | I'd like just a smal varitiaon of the default |
| 22:57.52 | Winny | the default theme is horrible |
| 22:57.55 | Winny | no contrast |
| 22:58.11 | JeffM | I thought you were the patron saint of whiteness :) |
| 22:58.23 | Winny | uh, no? |
| 22:58.33 | JeffM | I want it to look like this |
| 22:58.34 | JeffM | http://www.phpbb.com/community/?sid=08f8805763c54444bd95598db322d86a |
| 22:58.40 | JeffM | but with bzflag images at the top |
| 22:58.51 | JeffM | various ones that rotate thru as you hit each page |
| 22:59.15 | F687s | Web 2.0-ey... |
| 22:59.23 | JeffM | clean :) |
| 22:59.36 | Winny | quick, there are no tables! declare it web 2.0! |
| 23:00.05 | Winny | JeffM, is that theme freely available? |
| 23:00.12 | JeffM | I don't know |
| 23:00.22 | JeffM | it's very simialr to the default one in style |
| 23:00.31 | JeffM | hence why I figured it'd just be tweaks to it |
| 23:00.49 | Winny | hmm |
| 23:08.14 | Constitution | hmmm, interesting screenshot threading patch from snick... anyone seen it? |
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| 23:13.35 | whodaman- | Constitution, where? |
| 23:13.39 | whodaman- | Couldn't find it.. |
| 23:14.48 | Constitution | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1885849&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 23:17.39 | F687s | neato....one small step against cheating |
| 23:18.39 | AHA | *large |
| 23:20.21 | F687s | large against F5 kiddies |
| 23:23.23 | Constitution | not cheating specifically... but it closes one exploit that is a part of the standard client. Since BZFlag is still open-source, nothing prevents users from modifying the code. |
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| 23:30.33 | JeffM | sadly that is probalby mac specific code |
| 23:30.43 | JeffM | and the majority of your cheaters are on winderz |
| 23:30.46 | JeffM | but it's a good start |
| 23:32.36 | JeffM | best thing to do would be to add threading methods to platform |