IRC log for #bzflag on 20080126

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00:08.34Winnysheesh
00:08.48Winnywhat's wrong with Pumpernickle
00:16.30whodaman-heh
00:16.39whodaman-the bread is crumbling
00:17.58spldartMaybe it's more a flaky biscuit
00:23.51blast007h
00:24.02whodaman-i
00:24.05blast007:P
00:24.08whodaman-:p
00:24.17WinnyI
00:24.18Winnydo
00:24.40Winnynot know where family doctors aqquired perplexinly illegible handwriting
00:24.59WinnyI can't memorize that quote no matter how hard I try :(
00:28.10spldartspammers o_O
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01:05.34Winnywb brad
01:05.45WinnyI way almost worried you were gone for good
01:06.50whodaman-hehee
01:08.13tannerld_does BZFS stand for "BZFlag Server"?
01:08.27Winnyassume so
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01:11.56blast007tannerld_: BZip2 File System
01:14.06tannerld_thankies
02:03.08bradthx Winny :P
02:03.17Winnyoh, did I said gone for good?
02:03.23WinnyI meant I was worried you were coming back
02:03.24Winny;)
02:03.30bradsure..
02:04.43brad~chase Winny
02:04.43ibotACTION chases Winny
02:04.53Winnytoo... fat...to...go...on
02:05.22bradhehe
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03:16.06Winnybrb
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03:45.06WinnyBirdie, ping
03:45.31Winnymight wanna delete this team and its users... they're well known cheaters. http://gu.bzleague.com/index.php?link=teaminfo&id=485
03:45.53whodaman-hehe
03:45.57Birdiedunno, they are?
03:46.15Winnycheaters...
03:46.27whodaman-the same people, actually
03:46.40whodaman-NighMare is aka g0d
03:46.56Birdieyea i just saw that
03:47.05Birdieyou are VERY sure they are cheaters?:)
03:47.10Birdiethat i dont get one yelling at me tomorrow
03:47.15whodaman-...
03:47.17whodaman-Yes
03:47.18Birdieany ip?
03:47.21Birdiewinny?
03:47.31Winnyyeah, they're banned at missilewar, norang, badgerking.
03:47.37Winnys/they/he
03:47.37whodaman-NighMare is one of bzflag's "best"" cheaters
03:47.48Birdienot a smart one, static ip
03:47.52Winny~dns 75.31.109.63
03:47.56Winnyyep
03:47.58Birdieyep thats him
03:47.59Winnythat's him
03:48.14Birdiewhy such good cheater?:)
03:48.22Winnyheh
03:49.21Birdiedeleted team and both names
03:49.28Winnythanks
03:49.33Birdiei recally a player called nightmare though, but a nice one?
03:49.43whodaman-^nightmare^
03:49.47whodaman-cool guy
03:49.49Birdieah..
03:49.55Birdiethats why i knew him
03:49.55whodaman-Birdie, http://gu.bzleague.com/index.php?link=playerinfo&id=1664
03:50.05whodaman-http://gu.bzleague.com/index.php?link=playerinfo&id=1707
03:50.08whodaman-pointless
03:50.13Winnyhehe
03:50.17Birdiethey are somethimes used to close teams
03:52.12Birdiemaybe pointless but you never know they need them again
03:52.22Birdiethey get autodeleted anyway after not logged in after some time
03:52.30Winny6 months, isn;t it?
03:52.44Birdieits less i thought
03:52.47Birdielet me look
03:53.01Birdie2 months
03:53.14Winnyahh
03:53.26Birdieteams without a match after two months are deleted also, and teams with 3 months no match get inactive
03:53.49Birdieno i'm wrong 1.5 months for not played a match
03:54.01whodaman-match every 89 days!!
03:54.08Birdieand teams with no login for 3months are also deleted i think
03:54.10whodaman-accept feb :p
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04:03.14banana:)
04:03.44bananabefore L4m3r flips...
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04:04.00Winnylol
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04:25.47whodaman-return!
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04:46.23blast007hi jude-!
04:46.42jude-hey blast007!
04:48.50blast007whatcha been up to?
04:49.22jude-research project
04:49.26jude-www.cs.arizona.edu/stork
04:49.39jude-new type of Linux package manager...with infinite scalability!
04:51.37jude-I really missed working on BZWorkbench
04:54.07delusionalwe missed you too, jude
04:54.27delusionalwere just talking about BZWorkbench this morning.
04:54.30jude-I'm sorry for being away for so long
04:54.52delusionalit's OK, we know you have  a life.
04:55.01jude-lol--I wouldn't go *that* far :)
04:55.19blast007:D
04:55.40delusionaldid I see something about drawinfo support in your notes?
04:56.00jude-BZWorkbench can parse the data, but there's no code to render it (or meshes) yet
04:56.37delusionalcan just send it to bzfsm as a bzw, and render in the client
04:57.19jude-bzfsm?
04:57.28delusionalI just finished a 3-d animation of a velociraptor... I believe it's the first of it's kind in bzflag... I used stock poser figures
04:57.30delusionalbzfs
04:57.48jude-yeah
04:57.56jude-velociraptor? sweet!
04:58.00jude-Jurrasic Park-style
04:58.02JeffMhow did you animate it?
04:58.09delusionalten frames of animation
04:58.18JeffMoh your LOD thing?
04:59.08delusionalI used a new mesh and adjusted the LPP, with two empty lods in each mesh so they dont overlap
04:59.23JeffMI don't consider that "animation"
04:59.33JeffMsince it's not controllable
05:00.03jude-delusional: is it on a server yet?
05:00.10delusionalIf you have more than two matrefs in a drawinfo, you are limited to three LOD's
05:00.12JeffMbut still neeat that your mucking with it all
05:00.53delusionalI have it running on my home server.. stil needs some tweaks
05:01.40JeffMjust don't confuse people into thinking there is support for a general animation system when there isn't
05:04.03delusionaloh maaaan.. it took all day for ten frames.   modeltool wont parse poser's exported obj's ..... so I had to load each frame into wings, and re-export as obj, then  use modeltool, then edit the bzw's for the empty lods
05:04.32JeffMsuch is the way of dirty hacks ;)
05:04.35jude-blender has the same problem, last time I checked
05:04.39delusionali think it's poser's grouping function causing the problem
05:04.43jude-can't export obj correctly
05:05.03brlcadnight
05:05.06jude-g'night tannerld
05:05.10JeffMmodel tool is not a general obj parser
05:05.22JeffMand yes poser uses some of the less known features of obj
05:05.37JeffMobj tecincaly can do more then bzw can
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05:06.59delusionalI had to export un-grouped, then  re-group the obj in wings... I'm also using triangular tesselation for everything, much better FPS with tris than quads.
05:07.20JeffMthe card generaly has to turn them into triangles anyway
05:07.25delusionalvery large quads are VERY slow
05:07.33JeffMso if you do it, that is less work for the card
05:07.45JeffMany single large face will be slower
05:07.50JeffMcus it just eats fill
05:08.01JeffMand can't be culled
05:08.31jude-that kind of slowness is fixable only with hardware
05:09.19JeffMif you are fill rate limited, you can speed up by breaking it into multiple faces
05:09.24JeffMso those faces can be culled out
05:09.46JeffMthe speed of not drawing half a quad is nothing compared to transforming 4 more verts
05:09.54JeffMspeed savings :)
05:09.57JeffMI mean
05:10.19jude-so...transforming is more expensive than filling, or the other way around?
05:10.26JeffMthe other way around
05:10.42jude-thought so :)
05:10.46JeffMon a hardware T&L card, transforming 4 verts is way faster then filling a massive card
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05:10.52JeffMI said it wrong the first time
05:11.04delusionalsurprised me, at first, since the number of faces is doubled, but then i remembered some things you said awhile back, jeff, and it made sense
05:11.11JeffMso breaking up the large face into smaller faces lets you cull the crap out of off screne stuff
05:11.15JeffMand only fill what you have to
05:11.20jude-that seems odd--I thought OpenGL did the transformations on the CPU?
05:11.28JeffMdepends on the GL implementation
05:11.51JeffMthe entire point of the radeon and geforce lines of cards is to do that transforms
05:11.58JeffMmesa, and MS default use the CPU
05:12.01JeffMbut nothing modern does
05:12.11jude-that's a relief :)
05:12.15JeffMthats why you want all that number crunching on the card
05:12.26jude-or really really good DMA :)
05:12.32JeffMeven lots of SGI hardware did the transforms
05:12.36JeffMno you want it ON the card
05:12.44JeffMDMA will flood the bus
05:12.51JeffMoptimaly you send geo to the card ONCE
05:13.03JeffMthen let it transform the crap out of it on it's way faster vram
05:13.18JeffMand using it's own GPU
05:13.29JeffMcus it's way faster at doing that then a CPU ( in general )
05:13.56JeffMthey usualy get a matrix transform down to a single op pipelined.
05:14.11jude-heh, especially with the register-starved x86 :)
05:14.17jude-wow--deep pipeline
05:14.18JeffMexactly
05:14.32JeffMit's all optimized for graphics
05:14.41JeffMsince it's on card they make stuff the way they need it
05:14.59JeffMthats why modern cards are shadertastic
05:15.11JeffMassloads of paralell execution units
05:15.27JeffMumm yeah
05:15.33JeffMwhere have you been for the last couple years?
05:15.43delusionalis there an optimum length-limit for a list of tris,  like there is for tristrips
05:15.49JeffMfolding@home runs in GPUs
05:15.54jude-I did not know that
05:16.02JeffMdelusional: yeah less then 16
05:16.08JeffMbut it depends on the card
05:16.26L4m3rf@h began using GPUs fairly recently
05:16.28JeffMjude-: yeah there are a number of projects that are looking to take advantage of the paralel nature of shader hardware.
05:16.39delusionalmaybe that can be built into modeltool, then
05:16.39JeffML4m3r: yeah, I mean the concept is a couple years old
05:16.50JeffMdelusional: yeah it was like last year
05:16.53L4m3rmmhm, pretty new :P
05:17.07jude-...although I did read an article about proof-of-concept code for cracking md5s using GPUs within reasonable amounts of time...
05:17.40blast007http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-ATI
05:17.42JeffMdelusional: -striplimit #
05:17.52delusionaljeff, you did that for tristrips, but not for tris
05:18.03JeffMoh for tri's it dosn't matter
05:18.05JeffMjust strips
05:18.20JeffMtri's are sent individualy
05:18.20delusionalok.. that's what i was asking
05:18.26JeffMsorry I missread then
05:18.31delusionalnp
05:19.10jude-hmm....my new ATI card is incompatible
05:19.16JeffMtho it's hard coded to put a limit on tris per line
05:19.21JeffMto like under 20
05:19.25JeffMjust for readablilty
05:19.31JeffMjude-: what card?
05:19.55jude-ATi Radeon x1550 (r515 chipset)
05:20.03JeffMahh midrange
05:20.14jude-...although it wouldn't be good at f@h anyway--only 4 shaders :(
05:20.29JeffMyeah the middies usualy don't do much for shaders
05:20.38jude-512MB VRAM, though :)
05:20.40JeffMthey are meant to be cheap
05:20.43JeffMyep
05:20.44delusionaljeff, the tris limit seems to be 52
05:20.46JeffMthat's the baseline
05:20.50delusionali just counted
05:20.59JeffMdelusional: the code has 15 + up to 3
05:21.05JeffMthen the code isn't working
05:21.17JeffMremember, each 3 verts is a triangle
05:21.26JeffMand its 15 triangles
05:21.47JeffMjude-: it's geting harder to find 256meg cards
05:22.32delusionaloh, i get it.
05:22.41jude-you haven't been to CompUSA recently, have you :)
05:22.54JeffMno, they closed them all
05:23.03JeffMCompUSA is flusing all it's old cruft
05:23.08jude-right before, however, they were selling all kinds of GPUs
05:23.13jude-even PCI GPUs
05:23.17jude-128MB
05:23.24JeffMyeah they have always been way behind the times
05:23.29L4m3rliquidation sales ftw
05:23.30jude-indeed
05:23.49jude-liquidation == jack prices 20% and then cut them 20% to give the illusion of a deal
05:24.03JeffMsee my card has 112 stream processors running at 1.5ghz
05:24.07JeffMmakes for lots of fastness
05:24.09jude-*drool*
05:24.19jude-and a lot of heat drain
05:24.22JeffMit was only 235$
05:24.31JeffMnaw it runs around 60deg
05:24.35JeffMat load
05:24.35jude-roughly 1/3 of what I payed for my new desktop
05:25.03JeffMyeah a good video card should be about 1/3d of the price
05:25.35JeffMwhat CPU?
05:25.50jude-Intel Q6600 2.4 GHz 1066 MHz FSB 8 MB L2 ftw :)
05:26.00JeffMonly 2.4
05:26.05L4m3rwoot had a core 2 quad box for $700... nice box minus the video card. HP refurb...
05:26.09JeffMbut you will probably use those cores.
05:26.27JeffMit was a nice box even with the card
05:26.27L4m3rbut a nice video card and you've got a screamer for $1000... in theory
05:26.30jude-L4m3r: this was the whole box for only $650, and new
05:26.46L4m3rjude-: this was a quad, with 3G of ram :)
05:26.58L4m3rand an HDCP video card, albeit a slower one
05:27.01blast007L4m3r: jude-'s is a quad too
05:27.07L4m3roh, really?
05:27.11L4m3rthose got cheap fast
05:27.12JeffMblast007: so was the woot
05:27.12jude-(GPU, Gigabyte MoBo, 2GB RAM, Q6600, 8-chanel sound, 400W power) == $650
05:27.27blast007JeffM: yeah, that's why I said "too"
05:27.39whodaman-fight!
05:27.50JeffMthe quad and a mobo is going for 280$ at fry's right now
05:28.07JeffMthey had a quad phenom for 200 last week
05:28.09L4m3rman
05:28.13JeffMit's price war time again :)
05:28.17L4m3rAMD doesn't stand a chance :)
05:28.26jude-...except the phenom sucks compared to the Intel offerring
05:28.31JeffML4m3r: they will if they drop it down cheap enough
05:28.50JeffMjude-: quad on a laptop generaly dosn't make that much sense
05:28.54JeffMit's just more power, for little gain
05:29.06jude-that depends on how multi-threaded the user's apps are :)
05:29.08JeffMmost people arn't compiling things like mad on a laptip
05:29.14JeffMlook at most apps
05:29.18jude-Photoshop
05:29.28JeffMyeah that's NOT a laptop app
05:29.35jude-it could be
05:29.38whodaman-JeffM, can be for many
05:29.38JeffMcus you need boatloads of ram and screen space
05:29.40blast007that's where I run it
05:29.59JeffMblast007: and you are use such huge images that you need 2 more cores? ;)
05:30.02jude-Maya, 3DsMAX, Blender--all multi-threaded
05:30.06whodaman-JeffM, look at Saturos
05:30.07blast007JeffM: nope
05:30.12blast007I'me fine with a Pentium M
05:30.15whodaman-He does all the PS work on his MBpro
05:30.18blast007I'm*
05:30.27JeffMjude-: all things that beg for large screens, things laptops don't have
05:30.30L4m3rI just wish laptops didn't have weaksauce video cards
05:30.39L4m3rit can't be that hard to put dedicated video memory in a lappy
05:30.40whodaman-L4m3r, me too :p
05:30.43JeffMI'm not saying that some people don't do it, I'm saying it wont' be common
05:30.47blast007L4m3r: my other laptop has a 7600GT... though the CPU sucks
05:30.49JeffML4m3r: many have them
05:30.58JeffMmine has it's own ram
05:31.05JeffMGF 8600 GT
05:31.07blast007well, I guess the cooling sucks...
05:31.11jude-JeffM: did you read about MIT's experimental 64-core chip?
05:31.12whodaman-My ol iBook had it's own ram
05:31.16L4m3rI mean, I've got a C2D and an X1300.
05:31.18JeffMjude-: nope
05:31.23blast007constantly throttles the CPU when I'm maxing it out
05:31.25whodaman-macbook doesn't, huge fail
05:31.31JeffML4m3r: well there's your problem, ATI
05:31.35L4m3r>_<
05:31.44JeffMATI loves the system ram
05:31.46jude-here we go: http://boston.com/business/technology/articles/2007/08/20/64_core_chip_promises_to_be_a_big_leap_ahead/
05:31.56JeffMthat's why I got my core2 with a real card
05:31.59JeffMjude-: don't realy care
05:31.59L4m3rif I had known what a nightmare ATi and fglrx would be, I'd not have jumped on this cheap laptop
05:32.19jude-L4m3r: which ATI chipset?
05:32.31JeffMoh my bad the quad and mobo are 260 here :)
05:32.37L4m3rjude-: I don't even know. Mobility radeon X1300 :P
05:32.40JeffM280 was for texas
05:33.02JeffMX1300 mobility is part of the mobo chipset IIRC
05:33.46L4m3rthe thing that REALLY annoys me is that ATi doesn't even support some of the laptop manufacturers... including mine
05:33.52jude-good night whodaman-
05:33.54JeffMI had an x1050 in my old gateway. it was "ok" but yeah not great
05:34.00whodaman-jude-, nigh :)
05:34.09JeffML4m3r: what brand?
05:34.14L4m3rAcer
05:34.19JeffMI'm sorry
05:34.37JeffMthe gateway was able to run the stock ATI drivers thankfully
05:34.47L4m3rthe ATi basically says "If your laptop doesn't isn't one of these ten brands, you're on your own"
05:35.03L4m3rthe driver checks your system for compatibility before installing
05:35.19JeffMthere are thrid party sites that have removed that check
05:35.26jude-can't you get it through the package manager?
05:35.50L4m3rjude-: fglrx works fine, I'm talking about the windoze driver
05:35.56jude-ahhh
05:36.02L4m3r...by "fine" I mean "as well as fglrx tends to work"
05:36.06jude-that's different
05:36.28JeffMhow much was it?
05:36.43L4m3r$1250, a year ago
05:36.52JeffMouch
05:37.05L4m3rperformance is ok, though it's very throttled when not plugged in
05:37.19L4m3rnot as fast as my desktop
05:37.38jude-since when are current laptops faster than current desktops? :)
05:37.41JeffM$970 for a 2.2 gig core 2 with the 8600, high res display and 2 extended bateries
05:37.51L4m3rjude-: the desktop is a year older :P
05:37.54JeffMmy laptop is faster then this desktop
05:37.58jude-"current"
05:37.59JeffMin some things
05:38.14L4m3rmy desktop has a weak gfx card too :)
05:38.22JeffMcurrent can mean 'what he has now' ;)
05:38.23blast007JeffM: what's the battery life like in that system?
05:38.26L4m3rbut it's dualcore now, at least
05:39.02JeffMblast007: if I put it in max battery 5+
05:39.09JeffMif I let it go hog wild
05:39.13JeffMjust under 3
05:39.18JeffMper pack
05:39.30blast007meh, my everex gets about an hour and a half tops..
05:39.32L4m3rJeffM: it retailed around $1600. a floormate bought it, and somehow Best Buy sent her two. she sat on it for a couple months, and they never noticed
05:39.40blast007I hate that system
05:39.54JeffMheh, double ships. I got a pile of joysticks that way
05:39.59L4m3rit was some screwup with rush shipping. they sent them in two separate packages, two weeks apart
05:40.04jude-blast007: VIA processor or Intel?
05:40.11blast007jude-: AMD
05:40.21jude-oh :)
05:40.22blast007Turion X2 1.6GHz
05:40.22JeffML4m3r: yeah mine was suposed to be 1400+ but the joy of dell cupions saved me 475$
05:40.55blast007though they might as well call it an 800MHz, since it throttles back to that every 5 seconds when you try to play a game
05:40.58L4m3rI paid a lot considering she got it for free, but I had to in order to convince her to let me have it instead of giving it to her boyfriend for xmas :P
05:41.18L4m3rand she let me pay it off over a few months, so that was nice
05:42.05jude-tax-free :)
05:42.08L4m3ryup
05:42.47L4m3rit was a pretty good deal for her, too... I'd sure like it if someone brought me a $100 check every couple weeks...
05:43.01jude-definitely
05:43.43jude-how are your classes going this semester, L4m3r?
05:43.52L4m3rbleh
05:43.55L4m3rmy professors suck
05:44.03jude-tenured and uncaring?
05:44.19L4m3rnot so much uncaring as incompetent
05:44.27jude-I'm sorry
05:44.30L4m3rthat's the annoying thing about college
05:44.46L4m3rprofessors are experienced in their field, but they're not always good instructors
05:45.00jude-...and universities will take what they can get
05:45.33jude-(researchers bring grants along with students)
05:45.35L4m3rmy time here has convinced me that academia is a load of horsepucky
05:45.49jude-I'm sorry you feel that way
05:45.58jude-what would you do instead?
05:46.08whodaman-go work with Jeff :p
05:46.15blast007"Would you like fries with that?"
05:46.33L4m3rha
05:46.49L4m3rone of my co-workers, a student supervisor, graduated last year
05:47.02L4m3r...and came right back to work as a career employee
05:47.04whodaman-jude-, :p
05:47.17L4m3rfast food is pretty rough.
05:47.31blast007jude-: instead of which one? working with jeff, or flipping hamburgers?  ;)
05:47.36jude-service industry in general is pretty rough
05:47.38whodaman-L4m3r, in the end it might be better than no work at all :p
05:47.40jude-flipping burgers
05:47.44blast007:)
05:47.54L4m3rservice is one thing
05:47.54jude-with Jeff I might have to gouge my eyes out instead :) (j/k)
05:48.00blast007hehe
05:48.17L4m3rfast food is hard and low-paying, and most managers don't tolerate idle time
05:48.31jude-yup
05:48.46L4m3rsometimes you compete with co-workers for hours
05:49.02L4m3rmy two summers at subway could have me working 30 hours one week and 10 the next
05:49.03JeffMnaw he'd not be in my dept :)
05:49.15jude-I'm sure that's pleasant
05:49.33L4m3rless work, more pay, lots of breaks
05:50.09delusionalany hourly job sucks, except some unions.
05:50.26jude-...and even then it depends on how strong the union is in that particular state
05:50.32L4m3rit's unionized... same union as the hospital workers, iirc
05:50.41L4m3rthough, I'm not in the union
05:51.24whodaman-ok...really sleep :)
05:51.30L4m3rI worked on the 4th of july and didn't get overtime, when my co-workers got time * 2.5
05:51.33L4m3r:(
05:51.44jude-L4m3r: how did that happen?
05:51.48L4m3rnot in the union
05:51.55jude-ah
05:53.19L4m3rbut hey, it gets me summer housing and fulltime summer work
05:53.33jude-yup :)
05:53.34L4m3rand priority housing next year, when most of the seniors get kicked out XD
05:53.43jude-just don't tell anyone :)
05:57.06jude-by depth?
05:57.19JeffMwell I need it to draw what's behind it first
05:57.30JeffMor at least draw it after the other stuff in the object
05:57.59jude-shouldn't z-bufferring handle that?
05:58.13JeffMonly part of the face is alphaed
05:58.24JeffMit's a texture with an alpha
05:58.31jude-ahhh
05:58.31JeffMthe depth buffer is what is screwing me up
05:58.45JeffMsince it writes depth values for pixes that it didn't actualy draw
05:58.45jude-dunno then
05:58.54JeffMand there is no way to write "part" of a depth value
05:58.56L4m3ris this for a bzflag client?
05:58.58JeffMso you have to sort them
05:59.20JeffMI'm just playing right now, but yeah BZ would have similar issues if models had alpha textures
05:59.27L4m3rheh
05:59.44L4m3rdoes the current client even know not to render an object that's behind something else?
05:59.45jude-I'm not sure how to do it in OGRE, but I wonder of it supports a rendering mode that would allow it to NOT write to the depth buffer, but only shade what's behind it
05:59.54JeffMthe cheap way is usualy to turn of depth writes and draw them last
06:00.04JeffMyeah you can do that
06:00.11JeffMbut you still have to do it after the otehr stuff
06:00.20JeffMfor concave shapes
06:00.22JeffM;)
06:00.30jude-indeed
06:00.38JeffML4m3r: occulsion, yes
06:00.42JeffMthats part of the octree
06:09.41blast007cya
06:09.47jude-I'll be back tomorrow
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13:09.06spldartunder the /groupperms what am I looking for to verify the ability to 'send to all' ?
13:10.57spldartis that the 'talk' priveledge?>
13:21.58spldartNM.. I finally found what I needed
13:26.21spldartWhat's the diff between registered and verified?
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13:36.31spldartAh... I think my answer in #bzflag logs from a few months ago... If I only want registered players using their correct name and password to +TALK then only add that perm to VERIFIED group
14:09.58Winnyoh my gosh
14:10.01WinnyMW crashed AGAIN
14:13.12whodaman-lulz
14:13.35Winnyprobably torBlock
14:23.47Winnydunno, cause it started happening right after I loaded it
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14:44.54jh`something wrong with bz? i can connect to any server or find servers. or is it my comp
14:44.59jh`*cant connect
14:45.30Winnythat is you
14:45.35jh`odd
14:45.36whodaman-actually
14:45.38whodaman-global is down
14:45.54Winnyinteresting
14:45.56jh`just played hour ago
14:45.57Winnythe serverlit is up
14:46.00jh`now this
14:46.07Winnyand the forum is working
14:46.11Winnybut global is down? o.O
14:46.18Winnybrlcad, PINGY
14:46.52jh`my.bzflag.org is not working
14:47.10jh`website
14:47.33Winnyworking for me
14:47.43jh`you get the duc league site?
14:49.08Winnyyep
14:49.14Winnyooh
14:49.17WinnyI bet I know what it is
14:49.38whodaman-do tell
14:50.24Winnysagonet was doing some maintenence today IIRC
14:51.19Winnytheir site isn't showing the new maintenece articles, though
14:51.20Winnyhm
14:51.42jh`i can connect to quols but not to dub.bzflag.org for example
14:51.46jh`it seems
14:51.59Winnyjh`, can you try to connect to bzflagr.net?
14:52.46jh`what port
14:52.55Winny5154
14:56.26Winnyyeah. weird. I can connect to the forum, to the wiki, but not to the listserver. Nor can I log in on BZFlag
14:56.54jh`i cant connect to any bzflag.org server
14:56.58jh`others seem to work
14:57.09jh`for example bzf.bzflag.org:5155
14:57.53rtfmseems to be a DNS issue
14:58.05rtfmI can't get to my.bzflag.org
14:58.09rtfmeven ON the list server
14:58.32whodaman-hehe
14:58.41Winnywe can finally be bzlag.org!
14:58.58WinnyI should register that
14:59.15Winny~dns my.bzflag.org
14:59.27whodaman-~dns bzflag.org
14:59.35Winnythat's SF
14:59.39whodaman-SF?
14:59.42WinnySourceForge
14:59.43brlcadhm?
14:59.50whodaman-aha
14:59.57Winnybrlcad, DNS issues it seems?
15:00.00rtfmExpiration Date:26-Jan-2008 20:22:26 UTC
15:00.18Winnyrtfm, you're not serious
15:00.24whodaman-can't
15:00.30rtfmWinny: no, I am
15:00.35tannerldheh
15:00.35Winny.
15:00.38Winny.......
15:00.40whodaman-rofl
15:00.43Winny.....................
15:00.51jh`its expired?
15:00.59whodaman-rofl
15:01.21Winnyoh my
15:01.25whodaman-god
15:01.27Winnydarn, /me tried to register it
15:01.27Winny:p
15:01.48rtfmthere's a period of time before that would be possible
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15:01.54Winnyoh good
15:01.58brlcadjeez, do you all just make up your own reasons when stuff doesn't work?
15:02.12WinnyI was thinking it might get eaten up by squatters or something
15:02.37Winnybrlcad, I remember you saying something about sagonet maintenece today
15:03.06brlcadthen wtf is all the speculation about the domain expiring?
15:03.16Winnyhttp://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=bzflag.org
15:03.18rtfmbrlcad: speculation? check the whois
15:03.20brlcadit'd it a *little* coincedental
15:03.24Winny"Expiration Date:26-Jan-2008 20:22:26 UTC"
15:03.38brlcadso?
15:03.57Winnyuh
15:04.00Winnythat's today?
15:05.12brlcadsure, but the time?
15:05.54Winnyso you don't think that's the issue?
15:06.16brlcadgood grief
15:06.19brlcadit's a routing issue
15:06.20brlcadnot dns
15:06.24brlcadnot whois
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15:09.10rtfmseems like partially a DNS issue, unless the DNS server for bzflag.org is located at the same datacenter with routing issues
15:09.41rtfmI can't resolve anything except the base www.bzflag.org domain
15:11.05brlcadmy.bzflag.org and bzflag.org resolve to different hosts
15:11.15brlcadm.b.o. is bzflag.bz
15:11.20brlcadbzflag.org is not
15:11.30Manubrlcad, I use opendns for DNS servers and bzflag is not resolved :(
15:11.32rtfmright. I can resolve bzflag.bz just fine
15:11.35Manubzflag.org I mean
15:11.44rtfmand I can connect to the server via bzflag.bz
15:12.15brlcadOooh, TIM's domain expires today
15:12.15rtfmManu: I use that too, so it might be cached here
15:12.25brlcadthat's a different story, dunno what he's done for that
15:12.40brlcad.bz doesn't expire for a while
15:12.58brlcadstill, it's not that time
15:13.07Winnyit happens before or after, sometimes
15:13.15_anomaly_he's got about five hours though
15:14.26rtfmit's 3:13 UTC
15:14.37Winnyhmm, working again (for me)
15:14.43rtfm"expires" at 20:22 UTC
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15:17.31rtfmstill getting NXDOMAIN from OpenDNS, even after trying their CacheCheck
15:18.40rtfmhmm, and I think I'm wrong on my UTC time...
15:18.49usobrlcad: there are dns issues today, my server address resolved to a wrong address (the www.bzflag.org address) a while ago
15:19.15usoat does not resolve at the moment again
15:19.32brlcadWinny: the point earlier was that folks were saying m.b.o. wasn't working, listserver wasn't working .. those are all .bz, not the .org
15:20.07rtfmm.b.o is on the .org domain :P
15:20.12brlcadsure
15:20.14usos/at/and/
15:20.23jh`well i get can't talk with list server still
15:20.24brlcadI mean the host they resolve to
15:20.54brlcadcould very well be some dns update getting pushed out with a hiccup
15:21.18rtfmthe bzflag.org whois shows a change today as well.. maybe Tim switched name servers?
15:21.19Winnybrlcad, they weren't working :p
15:21.28brlcadas my whois shows it was updated earlier today
15:21.36brlcadyeah
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15:24.47Winnydo I need to restart my servers for 'em to show up on the list once this is fixed?
15:24.58brlcadprobably not
15:25.15brlcadbut it might be a while if it's a dns update propagating
15:27.13brlcadif it's not renewed, there's not much you can do
15:27.33Winnycouldn't one of the devs register it?
15:28.03brlcadafter like 30 days, there's a renewal window for the original owner iirc for his registrar
15:28.13Winnyahh
15:28.42brlcadrtfm: yeah, that change earlier today looks to be what's caused the problem
15:29.52brlcadthe name servers were changed by the registrar
15:30.01jh`how long do you think it will take to update
15:30.05jh`dns info
15:30.09brlcadhours
15:30.27Winnytoo long ;)
15:30.32jh`heh
15:31.08brlcadjh`: if it's the m.b.o. sites that you're trying to get to, you can get to them just the same with my.bzflag.bz
15:31.15brlcade.g. http://my.bzflag.bz/bb/
15:31.49Winny.org is working for me again
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15:37.57Marzipan:-)
15:38.27Winnyhehe
15:43.37Winnydarn, DNS still not updated on my box.. working on some others, though.
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15:50.23a_temp_distping anyone - is there a problem with the serverlist now?
15:50.35WinnyDNS issues
15:50.37KnottyManI'm having the same so you are not alone
15:50.39whodaman-a_temp_dist, yes :)
15:51.00a_temp_distok thx
15:52.10KnottyManwhile hard to see now, has anyone seen my post on the forum about jitter and new hardware specifically Intel P35 chipset?
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15:53.58donny_bakersure, hard to miss
15:54.37KnottyManre: server list, op might want to change the topic...
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15:55.27WinnyI wonder if setting the serverlist loaction in the conf to the IP of the server would do it?
15:55.42KnottyManaddr?
15:56.05Winnyif you wanna play thesaurus, sure
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16:01.35Guest728guess no one is playing today. There seams to be a bit of a DNS issue with the list server. Any workarounds?
16:01.50a_temp_dist"outside"
16:01.56Marzipanthere are ppl playing :-) on norang
16:02.11Winnyouutsiidee?
16:02.52Guest728What should I point BZflag to as a list server to play then?
16:04.07Marzipanwhat do you mean by that question ?
16:05.31Guest728well, I bzflag can't find the list server becuase my.BZFlag.org/db is down. How do I find active games without a list server?
16:05.47a_temp_distMarzipan, what is the address of the norang server that has players?
16:05.54a_temp_dist(there's a questions)
16:06.03a_temp_distone at least
16:06.11whodaman-a_temp_dist, check the site
16:06.14Marzipanbzflag2.norang.ca
16:06.23Marzipanport: 4418
16:06.24a_temp_distand the port?
16:06.28a_temp_distah thx
16:06.39Marzipancurrently 3
16:06.43Marzipanwill join too
16:07.08a_temp_distwhodaman-, i was actually asking for Guest728
16:07.27whodaman-Oh, nevermind :p
16:07.53Guest728yahoo I;',m in (procrastiator)
16:09.18usointeresting site coming if you access www.bzflag.org ;(
16:09.44usolooks like someone already grabbed the domain
16:10.06Winnyno, it hasn't expired yet
16:10.22Winnyand there's a 30 day period for tim to renew it (rtfm or brlcad said that I think..)
16:11.04Winnyactually.. looks like whois shows it was renewed?
16:11.55WinnyLast Updated On:26-Jan-2008 14:15:46 UTC; Expiration Date:26-Jan-2008 20:22:26 UTC
16:15.13usoso time to sue someone for already redirecting it to a commercial site and to settle in the advertising revenues :)
16:15.49Winnyit still works for me
16:16.06Winnycan you show us a screencap of what you see?
16:16.11whodaman-works here too
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16:18.32Winnyuso ^
16:20.14a_temp_distI see a GoDaddy parking page at www.bzflag.org  - http://tinyurl.com/3axob3
16:20.23Winnyo.O
16:20.27Winnyew, godaddy
16:20.50Winnyso
16:21.00Winnybzlag :: open source tank game sound good?
16:21.00Marzipansee the same
16:21.18Winnyshit, same here now
16:21.34Winnyanyone know tim's phone number? :p
16:21.45whodaman-I still get the site
16:21.47whodaman-\o/
16:21.57a_temp_distgerman DNS servers are slow
16:22.03whodaman-yeahyeah
16:22.21Marzipani saw that before ;-)
16:22.30Winnywhat's tim's email?
16:22.40whodaman-tim@rikers.org
16:22.41whodaman-right?
16:22.53Marzipanthink so
16:22.55a_temp_distright
16:23.00a_temp_disthttp://rikers.org/
16:23.26Winnythat's what I thought
16:24.16a_temp_distanother URL on that page also expired - http://www.TuxScreen.net/
16:24.16Winnygreat
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16:24.49a_temp_distJeffM, help
16:25.00WinnyJeffM, www.bzflag.org
16:25.08Winnyit's back again o.O
16:25.15whodaman-ha!
16:25.17Winnyhttp://tinyurl.com/3axob3 <-- before
16:25.20whodaman-I never got GoDaddy
16:25.20a_temp_distnot for me yet
16:25.39Winnywww is going to the site
16:25.42Winnyhttp:// isn't
16:26.02JeffMthe domain is all tim's deal
16:26.16a_temp_disthttp://bzflag.org/ is also parked for me
16:26.16Marzipanhttp://www.tuxscreen.net/
16:26.20Marzipansame here
16:26.29whodaman-[17:23]  <a_temp_dist> another URL on that page also expired - http://www.TuxScreen.net/
16:26.31JeffMhe's probably renewing them
16:26.33a_temp_distok - guess we wait
16:26.53JeffMor not renewing them
16:27.35JeffMwhy?
16:27.57Winnyor you should.. if he forgets to do it we're toast
16:28.05Winnys/you/dev
16:28.10JeffMumm no
16:28.17JeffMif you actualy get in the way it'll screw him UP
16:28.30JeffMit's got 30 days before it can be resold
16:28.34JeffMIIRC
16:28.39Winnyhmm, weird how it would get parked
16:28.56JeffMbecause it expired today
16:29.06JeffMand he went into that waiting period
16:29.17JeffMso he has a number of DAYS to get it fixed
16:29.49Winnyhmm. must be different from different registrars. 1and1 parks it AFTER the waiting period
16:29.49JeffMdo you see the tranfer prohibited part on the DNS record?
16:30.00JeffMWinny: that is up to each registrar yes
16:30.09JeffMgodady does there best to let you keep it
16:30.21TeppicSo, anyone know the real IP of the list server?
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16:30.40Winnyhey quantumdot
16:30.42JeffMbzflag.bz
16:31.26JeffMbut there is notihng anyone other them he can do
16:31.31JeffMand freaking out is pointless
16:31.47quantumdothello Wi
16:31.49JeffMand if you try to reg the page it may actualy screw UP the process since it'll show as a dispute.
16:31.51quantumdotWinny:
16:32.43quantumdothey JeffM looks like it is not a problem with the db this time
16:32.51JeffMhuh?
16:33.22quantumdothow long has been bzflag.org unreachable for?
16:33.25JeffMeveryone's dns servers will have difrent levels of cache
16:33.38quantumdotahh
16:33.58quantumdoti use openDNS
16:34.00JeffMor he rereged it and the whois page hasn't updated
16:34.04JeffMether or
16:34.08JeffMbut it dosn't matter
16:34.11JeffMwe can't do anything
16:34.16quantumdotok
16:34.44WinnyJeffM, not trying to reg it
16:34.49Winnyjust seeing if it's available
16:34.53TeppicJeffM: bzflag.bz should resolve to the same IP as .org?
16:34.57JeffMit won't be for weeks
16:35.00JeffMTeppic: yes
16:35.06JeffMas well as bzflag.com and .net
16:35.11Teppic/etc/hosts it is then, thx.....
16:35.36Winnyfun
16:35.59JeffMthe days of sniping domains is long gone
16:36.38JeffMyou have to ether have a total crap registrar, or ignore the crap outa people to loose one these days
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16:47.51F687sthe list server's down, and there are still tunz of people on Missile War!
16:48.14Winnywoot!
16:48.18Winnybut :(
16:48.27WinnyI need to ban people by manually editing the banfile
16:48.32Winny:p
16:48.44F687sthat's true popularity right there...
16:48.47JeffMF687s: it's not "down"
16:48.54JeffMand some users may still see it
16:49.06F687sdown-ish
16:49.06JeffMuse bzflag.com or .net and you'll be ok
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16:52.46RatOmeterso, am I the first or the tenth to come in to say the list/reg server isn't working?
16:53.05whodaman-no :)
16:53.05quantumdotno you arent RatOmeter :)
16:53.09JeffMit is working, there is issue with the domain name
16:53.15Winnythe 20th ;)
16:53.17JeffMchange your config to use bzflag.com or .net
16:53.21JeffMand you'll be fine
16:53.26RatOmetereggsellant
16:53.30RatOmeterthans
16:53.32Winnymm, egg salad
16:53.33whodaman-k
16:53.36RatOmetermmm, thanks
16:53.41quantumdotJeffM: might i suggest to add the line to the heading of the channel
16:53.49quantumdotthat would save your time
16:53.55whodaman-probably not
16:53.56JeffMit's too long to explain
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16:54.01JeffMin a topic
16:54.12JeffMeveryone here will just have to be KIND and explain it nicely to people
16:54.18JeffMuntill we know exactly what the issue is
16:54.31JeffMcus untill we hear from tim, there is nothing we can do
16:54.45Winnyanyone in here live in/near utah? ;)
16:54.53JeffMdude, just chill
16:55.07JeffMit's a game not a mission critical service
16:55.31Winnymeh
16:55.36quantumdoti guess something like: "server list is working, there is just an issue with the domain name. change your config to use bzflag.com or .net" would be enough for most
16:55.43usoJeffM: that may fit for the topic: bzflag.org is down, add 'set list http://my.BZFlag.bz/db/' to your bzflag config as a workaround
16:55.46JeffMthat is too long for the thing
16:56.01JeffMboth of those are prety long
16:56.03JeffMwe don't have much room
16:56.06Winnythere's already tons of random links up there
16:56.35*** topic/#bzflag by JeffM -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/#bzflag || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || 2.0.10 is out || If you have list problems, try setting to http://my.bzflag.com/db instead
16:56.39Winnywhy not temporarily remove some?
16:56.43JeffMlike that?
17:00.17usothough I doubt people really read the topic before they ask ;)
17:00.25quantumdotthat's perfect JeffM, one can re-direct people to that when they ask
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17:09.24Birdiecool i can still reach the forum
17:09.48WinnyBirdie, domain is dead for the time being :)
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17:11.33JeffMWinny: you don't know that
17:11.48WinnyJeffM, dead in the sense it doesn't lead anywhere excpet a parked page
17:11.54JeffMWinny: for you
17:11.56JeffMit works fine for me
17:12.08JeffMit may have been renewed and you haven't been updated yet
17:12.21JeffMfor now all we know is that there is some problem where some people can't resolve it
17:12.24JeffMthat is all
17:12.31JeffMeverything else is WILD speculation
17:13.44Winnyheh
17:19.45I_Died_Onceyou slackers
17:20.00JeffMpardon?
17:20.02I_Died_Oncegodaddy is going to sell bzflag.org away to someone else
17:20.06JeffMno it's not
17:20.14JeffMand that's all tim
17:20.26whodaman-and he has 30 days..
17:20.31JeffMhe has days and weeks to renew it before it gets resold
17:20.43I_Died_Oncemeanwhile... no list server
17:20.53JeffMuse bzflag.com or .net
17:20.54I_Died_Onceno bzbb
17:20.58Winny.bz
17:21.06JeffM.bz dosn't resolve all of .org
17:21.09JeffM.com or .net is better
17:21.22I_Died_Oncethe forums does though
17:21.27WinnyJeffM, ah
17:21.28JeffMyes the fourms do
17:21.35ts/localset list http://my.bzflag.bz/db/
17:21.38JeffM.com or .net will actualy resolve like game servers tho ;)
17:21.39I_Died_Onceooops
17:21.43I_Died_Oncei stand corrected
17:21.46JeffM.bz just does anything that is on the list
17:22.01JeffMyeah fourms may have issues cus the pages redirect
17:22.02I_Died_Oncei was right the first line
17:22.03Winnywe need a palindromic name
17:22.06JeffMso you'd have to set a local domain map
17:22.08I_Died_Onceyou slackers
17:22.18Winny...
17:22.18whodaman-lol
17:22.18JeffMdude, if you cant' be civil, leave
17:22.28JeffMnoone in here had anything to do with it
17:22.50JeffMit's a problem deal with it, but don't be an ass
17:23.12I_Died_Oncewell, i would offer for Planet MoFo's server serve as a back up list server and all for the game
17:23.22JeffMwe don't need a list serve
17:23.35whodaman-It's the domain...
17:23.37Winnythe DOMAIN is not resolving properly
17:23.38JeffMonce again you totaly misunderstand the problem and go off on some self gratifying tangent
17:23.39Winnythe server is fine
17:23.48JeffMBOTH of our servers are fine
17:24.05I_Died_Oncesettle down jeff
17:24.10JeffMsame to you
17:24.12JeffMslacker
17:24.13I_Died_Onceno one is attatcking you
17:24.22JeffMyou just came in and called us all slackers
17:24.25I_Died_Onceyeah, ia m a slacked and a half
17:24.32I_Died_Once**I am a slacker
17:24.33JeffMhow is that suposed to be taken?
17:24.42I_Died_Oncewell good lord, son...
17:24.54I_Died_Onceit aint like I came in here and said all of your mothers lick.... you get the point
17:24.58I_Died_Onceaint like i cussed you all out
17:25.05JeffMyeah it is
17:25.07I_Died_Oncei knew exactly WTF when i seen it
17:25.21JeffMyou insinuted that us (project administrators) could have done something to prevent this
17:25.26I_Died_Oncejust coming in to get an update and maybe let you know in case someone else aint told you
17:25.35JeffMI call BS on that statement
17:25.42JeffMyou came here to rile people
17:25.44JeffMand you know it
17:25.49JeffMwe don't know a status
17:25.50JeffMit's all tim
17:25.53JeffMthe entire project is Tim
17:25.59JeffMit's all in his private name
17:26.01I_Died_Oncewell.. i was going to make a "pay the flippin' bill" comment
17:26.03JeffMso go talk to him
17:26.05I_Died_Oncebut not for you to take personally
17:26.14JeffMyeah cus you are such a kindly understanding person
17:26.32I_Died_OnceI'm sorry that you take everything I say to that edge and limit man
17:26.37I_Died_Oncejeesh
17:26.47JeffMyou did come in at a somewhat high stress time, think about it
17:27.14I_Died_Oncei dont know what you turds are in here talking about when i'm logged in
17:27.22I_Died_Oncei'm walking in to cyber sex for alll i know
17:27.34I_Died_Once***when I'm NOT logged in
17:27.37brlcadI_Died_Once: a/s/l?
17:27.41JeffMheh
17:27.51JeffM4/n/l33t
17:28.10I_Died_OnceWhat are you all wearing ???
17:28.16JeffMyour mom
17:28.17AHAcloaths
17:28.27Winnyclothes*
17:28.32AHApff
17:28.36WinnyAHA is wearing a sloth
17:28.39AHAspelling was never my thing
17:29.19Marzipannothing ,-) *no clothes*
17:29.20brlcadI_Died_Once: what would you like us to wear, big boy
17:29.23JeffMbrlcad or blast007 do you know if there is any way to make phpbb use the domain that came in on the request for new links?
17:29.23spldartMe neither aha
17:29.29JeffMinstead of the hardcoded domain?
17:29.37Winnyedit the address in the config?
17:29.38brlcadmm, I think so
17:29.44JeffMether that or I can change the  site to use .com instead of .org
17:29.47Winnyfor WP it was in the SQL
17:29.48JeffMthen all links will work again
17:29.54I_Died_Oncethe apache config i think if i remember correctly
17:30.06JeffMI assume .bz responds to .com and .net the same as .org
17:30.16JeffMI_Died_Once: not apache, phpbb
17:30.26JeffMsince the domain resoultion happens at the client
17:30.40JeffMbzbb can't give links to .org and expect them to work
17:30.53JeffMso I want it to give out links to .net or .com
17:31.00JeffMand apache won't change phpbb
17:31.02I_Died_Oncealso, since domains might be an issue, for future releases of bz, make a setting somewhere be able to choose between a given list of comains
17:31.22JeffMwe have that, in the config
17:31.25I_Died_Oncesince the addy of that is coded into the program
17:31.28I_Died_Onceoh
17:31.29JeffMit's not
17:31.35I_Died_OnceI thoght it was
17:31.41JeffMit is, but the config overides it
17:31.41I_Died_OnceI THOGHT WRONG!!!!
17:31.50JeffMthe default is hardcoded
17:31.52brlcadJeffM: I updated it -- under General Configuration
17:32.02JeffMbrlcad: to .com?
17:32.05brlcadyeah
17:32.06JeffMcool
17:32.17I_Died_Oncegive the player the choice of using bzflag.net .org .gov whatever
17:32.32brlcadmight be hard coded elsewhere, but it was set there to .org
17:32.35JeffMor we just make it so this can't happen ;)
17:32.35I_Died_Oncelol .gov
17:32.45brlcadso users coming in from .bz would get redirected to .org
17:32.46JeffMbrlcad: it's not
17:32.57JeffMat least I don't think it is
17:33.13brlcadk
17:33.16JeffMIIRC it dosn't redirect, it just made all links to sup fourms go to .org
17:33.18brlcadjust tested it here and it worked
17:33.20JeffMso you ended up at .org
17:34.20brlcadif you went to http://my.bzflag.bz/bb/ for example, the site would send a redirect once any form/link was submitted
17:34.25brlcadwell, not so much an http redirect .. but via link
17:34.28JeffMyeah
17:34.31JeffMthat's what I meant
17:34.38JeffMall the links would be to the board domain
17:34.44JeffMthat's what that setting controlls
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17:39.46CaptainMackwhats going on?
17:39.57Winnyissues
17:40.07CaptainMackserious ones?
17:40.10JeffMthere are domain problems, use bzflag.com or .net instead of .org
17:40.19CaptainMackwhat about playing?
17:40.25JeffMmoderate but solvable problems
17:40.33JeffMwhat about it
17:40.49CaptainMacki cant find any servers except my local ones
17:40.51Winnyhttp://mybzflag.net/?p=342 <-- shows you how to fix it, figured I should put it somewhere
17:41.16CaptainMackok
17:41.16CaptainMackwill do that
17:41.25CaptainMackwas this something malicious?
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17:41.33Winnynope
17:41.44twitch_hello all... wassup with the bzflag.org site?
17:41.44JeffMnope, clerical error most liley
17:41.48CaptainMackok, good
17:41.51Winnytwitch_, http://mybzflag.net/?p=342
17:41.53JeffMtwitch_: there is an issue with the domain
17:41.59JeffMuse .com or .net
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17:42.31twitch_ah.. okay.  heh.
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17:43.04patlklihi all
17:43.07Winnyperhaps we should clear out the whole topic and just state what's going on
17:43.11JeffM<PROTECTED>
17:43.12JeffMuse .com or .net
17:43.22JeffMWinny: noone reads the topic
17:43.30Winnythey might if it's shorter
17:43.34Winnyand not full of links
17:43.35JeffMpeople are just going to have to be (GASP) HELPFULL
17:43.37patlkliJeffM, yeah, but forums and wiki are unreachable
17:43.45JeffMuse .net or .com
17:43.46Winnyindeed
17:43.47JeffMinstead of .org
17:43.49Winnydomain issues :)
17:43.54JeffMit'll work
17:44.05patlkliJeffM, the subdomains work with the other domains too?
17:44.11patlkliok :)
17:44.17JeffMthey should
17:44.31brlcadWinny: you could help by logging on to all of the servers and letting users know what they'll need to do, and to spread the word that it's being looked into
17:44.38Winnyok
17:44.41twitch_There should be some way to make it stand out bold when you log in :-)  I see it now that I scroll up but it gets lost in the rest of the data.
17:44.54JeffMtwitch_: IRC dosn't do that kinda stuff
17:44.57JeffMwe could do a channel message
17:45.15JeffMbut bzflag isn't THAT big, it won't kill some people to be helpfull for a day ;)
17:45.24twitch_twu, twu.
17:45.30JeffMtechnology isn't the solution to every social problem
17:45.38twitch_sure it is.  pass me the pills.
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17:45.52WinnyTimRiker!
17:45.54JeffMthere he is
17:45.58WinnyJust the person we've been looking for
17:45.58a_temp_distthe conf.cfg changes back to .org when I open a client
17:46.04JeffMTimRiker: I assume you know that there is an issue?
17:46.04CaptainMackwill i have to change the .com back to .org later?
17:46.12TimRikerhuh? wha?
17:46.14JeffMa_temp_dist: take out the #
17:46.18Winnybzflag.org needs renewing :)
17:46.20JeffMTimRiker: .org expired
17:46.24a_temp_distthx
17:46.32TimRikerhuh? no way...
17:46.35Winnyyes way
17:46.35JeffMya way
17:46.39Winnyit's parked
17:46.40JeffMtoday was the day
17:46.52KTLsounds bad
17:46.53JeffMyou still have time to renew
17:47.22Winnyhttp://tinyurl.com/3axob3 <-- what most people see
17:47.48a_temp_disthttp://tuxscreen.net/ as well
17:48.32KTLis the cost an issue?
17:48.40JeffMno
17:48.49JeffMlike I say, clerical error
17:49.04JeffMwe acutaly have money left over
17:49.18twitch_never used windows for bzflag b4.  where's the conf?
17:49.18Winnypay for it for the next 10 years ;)
17:49.32JeffMtwitch_: my documents/my bzflag files/
17:49.46Winny/2.0/config.cfg
17:49.58TimRikerI just renewed it (and a couple others that were close)
17:50.02JeffMI've had them get spamed
17:50.35CaptainMackhow long till it resolves?
17:50.38twitch_thx
17:51.05JeffMCaptainMack: up to 24 hours
17:51.20patlklinext dns update maybe
17:51.21JeffMdepending on your dns server's policies
17:51.24JeffMindeed
17:51.32JeffMjust use .com or .net and you'll be fine
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17:52.17CaptainMackeven the forums work with those subdomains?
17:52.22patlkliyes
17:52.25CaptainMackcool
17:52.26JeffMyes
17:52.34JeffMwe would not tell you if it didn't ;)
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17:52.52brlcadTimRiker: thanks -- might be useful to set the e-mail renewal contact to the mailing list just in case
17:52.55javaJakeAnyone here running bzflag on their Gentoo system? I'd appreciate some emerge --info output.
17:53.00TimRikeryeah, boards, list, games servers, etc should all work with .net or .com
17:53.13TimRikerbrlcad: good idea.
17:53.18CaptainMackive never used bzflag irc before
17:53.24CaptainMackis this more than usual members?
17:53.33JeffMCaptainMack: it's not our IRC server, it's freenode
17:53.41JeffMCaptainMack: slightly, due to the issue
17:53.44brlcadCaptainMack: what do you mean by usual members?
17:53.54JeffMuser count
17:53.58JeffMare there this many people here
17:54.03brlcadahh
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17:54.31TimRikerwell, any machine I test from I still see valid dns entries for www.bzflag.org etc.
17:54.51JeffMthe whois shows the updated info
17:54.51TimRikeranyone have a nameserver with expired info?
17:54.53JeffMso it's renewed
17:55.53patlklitell me what to do to find that out, i'll tell you :)
17:55.59patlkli*then
17:56.02TimRikerhmm. found some.
17:56.12brlcadwe've actually not hit a channel peak yet
17:56.19brlcad84 is the highest to date ..
17:57.01brlcadPeak for #bzflag@freenode: 84 (Tue Jan  8 17:12:51 2008)
17:57.06TimRikerdig @TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET www.bzflag.org  shows valid info now.
17:57.07patlklibrlcad, hehe
17:57.07CaptainMackcool
17:57.11CaptainMackwere close
17:57.16JeffMyeah but it's usualy in the 60's IIRC
17:57.26brlcadit's been going up slowly for months
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17:58.34patlkliTimRiker, my dns isn't updated yet
17:58.41patlklibzflag.org.             2635    IN      A       68.178.232.99
17:59.35TimRikerpatlkli: so 2635 more seconds for you. :)
17:59.35brlcadTimRiker: not sure if I've said it before but the list server runs primary DNS for several other place, could make bz's domains secondary/primary there with easy access
18:00.06TimRikerbrlcad: yeah, I've been meaning to add that as a replica. there are 3 servers now, but more is always nice.
18:00.58patlkligrml, listserver is unreachable as well
18:01.03TimRikerwell, sorry folks. I'm still digging through email to figure out how this happened.
18:01.16CaptainMackthey never sent you an email?
18:01.17TimRikerpatlkli: yes. list server is my.bzflag.org/db
18:01.25TimRikerCaptainMack: not that I've found yet.
18:01.35CaptainMackwow
18:01.36JeffMpatlkli: just change it to my.bzflag.com/db/
18:01.39JeffMand it'll be fine
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18:01.52patlkliJeffM, commandline option?
18:01.56brlcadTimRiker: the config is in /etc/namedb if you want to make the edits
18:02.05twitch_heh... well -it's not that huge folks - I am sure anyone that addicted to the game could do with a little time off :-P  I certainly did fall into that category for a long while.
18:02.09JeffMpatlkli: open your config
18:02.15patlkliJeffM, found it
18:02.15JeffMfind the line that has the URL
18:02.18JeffMtake out the #
18:02.21JeffMand change .org to .com
18:02.29patlklibzflag -list my.bzflag.com/db
18:02.33patlkli:)
18:05.17TimRikerbrlcad: k.
18:06.40TimRikerI can't figure why I didn't see renewal emails. I've set the domains to auto-renew just in case.
18:07.49Winny:)
18:08.02JeffMdid they send them?
18:09.15TimRikerJeffM: settings seem to indicate they would have. but I don't have the msgs. Checked my spam folder too. no joy.
18:09.25JeffMahh
18:09.39JeffMmailserver logs would be the only way to check then :(
18:12.55TimRikeryeah, headed there next.
18:12.58CaptainMackorg is working for me now
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18:38.51WinnyJeffM, it looks like its up over most peoples DNSs, set it back to .org on BZBB?
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18:50.40Marzipananything new ?
18:51.28whodaman-Marzipan, yes
18:51.34whodaman-TimRiker renewed the domain
18:51.40whodaman-~dns my.bzflag.org
18:51.43whodaman-:)
18:51.59Marzipanand the list server ?
18:52.06Winnysame thing
18:52.10whodaman-the list server was never broken
18:52.22TimRikerMarzipan: waiting for servers to update.
18:52.41TimRikerwhodaman-: it could have expired on clients _and_ servers. so yes, it was broken.
18:53.15whodaman-ah, right
18:53.24TimRikerwitness the curve: http://rikers.org/mrtg/bzflag.html
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18:54.48menotumeif you REALLY need it, try putting an entry in your hosts file :)
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18:55.07menotumealthough, that won't help servers, nvm :(
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19:01.22Winnyhmm, can't get to MBO again
19:02.56Winnyah, DNS flush fixed it :)
19:04.24JeffMWinny: dosn't matter really
19:05.02JeffMcom org and net all respond on .bz so it dosn't matter
19:05.12JeffMbetter to wait a day or so to be sure
19:05.15JeffMthere is no rush
19:05.54JeffMalways rusning with the young ones these days ;)
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19:07.10Winnythat suppost to be running or rushing?
19:07.26JeffMrushing
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19:10.25spldartThat must be my problem...
19:10.30spldartNot young anymore
19:11.17Mr_BurnsHello all
19:11.38Mr_BurnsDid the IP of my.bzflag.org change recently?
19:12.07Mr_Burns"Excellent!"
19:12.30spldartAnd I do decent burns, smithers, homer, bus driver, and sometimes comic book guy
19:12.56WinnyMr_Burns, sort of
19:12.58Winnybut not really
19:12.59Winny:p
19:13.05spldartapparently some dns issues.. will sort out if it hasn't already
19:13.49Mr_Burnsyeah. I get 6 different addresses from each of the 4 DNS servers I just tried!
19:14.21Winnymy.bzflag.org should resolve to 66.111.something
19:14.21Mr_Burnsoh well, time will heal...
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19:27.58TimRiker~nslookup my.bzflag.org
19:28.05TimRiker~nslookup bzflag.org
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19:57.00Winnyhavent seen jude- for a while
19:57.09whodaman-Winny, hmm?
19:57.19whodaman-jude- was here last night.
19:57.46Winnyoh
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20:59.51Winnymmm... sushi
21:00.39F687smmm...
21:26.28Winnywow
21:26.38Winnywhat is up with the MBO dns?
21:26.47Winnyit works, and then it randomly stops working
21:26.58whodaman-yeah, just now was a nightmare
21:29.57WinnyJeffM, any idea why it would be doing that?
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23:16.38Seph1rootheya
23:16.39Seph1root:)
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23:17.07spldartmore?
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23:19.20AHA_Pumpernickle: is there a reason you do that?
23:20.15{Nathan}Alright, newbie here. I registered and put in my callsign and password. I connect to a server just fine, but I can't start when I press i or I right click. Is there something I'm missing?
23:20.50spldartHave you tried rejoining again right after you couldn't spawn?
23:21.01AHA_{Nathan}: what server/
23:21.28{Nathan}AHA_: I tried about 3 different servers, but any will do that won't laugh at me for sucking (too much).
23:21.57spldartOh... And keep in mind there were some domain resolutions problems earlier.. so list server wasn't responding @ times
23:22.10{Nathan}I get the server list just fine.
23:22.26{Nathan}hmm... I'm saying just fine a lot today >_<
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23:28.31{Nathan}spldart: Yes, I did try that multiple times on 3 servers.
23:28.32F687sdid you try talking before you tried to spawn?
23:28.44{Nathan}F687s: I can't say I know how to talk...
23:29.23F687spress "n", type something, and hit enter (in-game)
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23:43.41JeffMWinny: lack of fung shue
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23:54.15JeffMPumperni3kle: dude
23:55.07*** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ
23:55.12*** kick/#bzflag [Pumperni5kle!n=Jeff@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501)
23:55.16*** kick/#bzflag [Pumperni4kle!n=Jeff@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501)
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23:55.31Metslol
23:55.35BenUrbanwtfireworks?
23:56.00spldartheh.. left an engaging game for all the noise hehe
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23:56.24JeffM2501he's never on is he?
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23:57.16AHA_uh-oh
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23:58.49Think_Differentlwho the hell is pumbernickes?
23:58.58*** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*n=Pumper*@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] by JeffM2501
23:59.05*** kick/#bzflag [Pumperni3kle!n=Jeff@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501)
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23:59.13JeffM2501someone with a jacked client
23:59.18JeffM2501who needs to get that fixed
23:59.19JeffM2501badly

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