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| 01:10.37 | a_meteorite | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12109 |
| 01:10.43 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: addressed to you mostly, heh |
| 01:12.05 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 01:12.41 | a_meteorite | that topic |
| 01:12.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah, I was huhing to it's contents and poster |
| 01:13.04 | Winny | what was it? |
| 01:13.20 | JeffM2501 | some kidd I guess |
| 01:14.26 | a_meteorite | he's having a mid-life crisis |
| 01:14.42 | a_meteorite | </sarcasm> |
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| 01:26.47 | JeffM2501 | an 1/8th life crisis most likely |
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| 01:32.10 | a_meteorite | question for the devs... I am having problems with my server networking (high packet loss), but they've seem to fix a lot of the packet loss problems... currently, no one on the server has packet loss, but some are still going NR |
| 01:32.38 | JeffM2501 | then they have packet loss |
| 01:32.41 | a_meteorite | any reason why people would go NR when no one has packet loss? |
| 01:32.52 | JeffM2501 | the packet loss reporting isn't working right |
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| 01:32.59 | JeffM2501 | or isn't picking them up |
| 01:33.01 | a_meteorite | oh great |
| 01:33.18 | a_meteorite | cause I've been telling them certain people have packet loss and give them traceroutes from those people |
| 01:33.31 | a_meteorite | so is it SVN that is broken or all versions? |
| 01:33.41 | JeffM2501 | NR basicly means 100% packetloss |
| 01:33.52 | a_meteorite | well, they go okay after a couple seconds |
| 01:34.02 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean "for all vesions"? |
| 01:34.04 | Winny | a_meteorite: you're running 2.0 branch, though.. |
| 01:34.20 | JeffM2501 | branch hasn't had any big changes at all |
| 01:34.22 | a_meteorite | right, is packet loss in lagstats broken in latest 2.0 SVN and not 2.0.10? |
| 01:34.32 | a_meteorite | or even 2.0.8 |
| 01:34.35 | JeffM2501 | why would it be? |
| 01:34.46 | a_meteorite | you said it isn't working right |
| 01:34.55 | JeffM2501 | ok, not working the way you expect |
| 01:34.58 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 01:35.01 | JeffM2501 | I didn't mean there was some known bug |
| 01:35.11 | JeffM2501 | if you spike to 100% packetloss, you'll just go NR |
| 01:35.18 | JeffM2501 | and we don't update the packetloss percentage for NR players |
| 01:35.23 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 01:35.24 | JeffM2501 | since they are well NR |
| 01:35.31 | JeffM2501 | basicly NR trumps packetloss |
| 01:35.50 | a_meteorite | and it's very well possible to go from 100% packet loss to 0% packet loss in a flash and still stay connected (cause people are going NR, then okay after 10 seconds)? |
| 01:36.10 | JeffM2501 | the connection will hold untill the timeout happens |
| 01:36.17 | JeffM2501 | and that is a a service level thing |
| 01:36.20 | JeffM2501 | not a bzfs level thing |
| 01:36.23 | JeffM2501 | so sure |
| 01:36.28 | a_meteorite | ah.. so you keep a TCP connection open as well |
| 01:36.30 | JeffM2501 | turn off a router ;) |
| 01:36.33 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 01:37.05 | a_meteorite | now I'm wondering how to best tell the provider what is wrong.. just get anyone that goes NR to give traceroutes too, I guess |
| 01:37.07 | JeffM2501 | the TCP connection is open untill ether nothing comes thru for the timeout, or a close packet is sent |
| 01:37.18 | JeffM2501 | it's not like a constant signal is sent over the network for the entire time. |
| 01:37.22 | a_meteorite | right |
| 01:37.30 | JeffM2501 | this is that crap host? |
| 01:37.38 | a_meteorite | no, olm.net |
| 01:37.43 | a_meteorite | we dumped volumedrive |
| 01:37.53 | JeffM2501 | ok so another crap host ;) |
| 01:38.01 | a_meteorite | yeah... we thought this was going to be good... |
| 01:38.05 | JeffM2501 | tell them your still geting packetloss |
| 01:38.35 | JeffM2501 | just cus the in game tool dosnt' measure it the same way as other tools dosn't mean that there isn't packet loss |
| 01:38.40 | JeffM2501 | your jsut geting it in spikes now |
| 01:38.44 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 01:39.11 | a_meteorite | well, since that's true, that probably means they have something really nasty going on |
| 01:39.18 | JeffM2501 | let me guess, refurb server? |
| 01:39.21 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 01:39.26 | JeffM2501 | you get what you pay for |
| 01:39.30 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 01:39.44 | a_meteorite | what could be wrong? the NIC? |
| 01:39.51 | JeffM2501 | any nubmer of things |
| 01:39.58 | a_meteorite | well that's just dandy... |
| 01:40.02 | JeffM2501 | nic, bus, router etc.. |
| 01:40.07 | JeffM2501 | dude it says REFURB |
| 01:40.21 | a_meteorite | I wouldn't expect to get faulty hardware though |
| 01:40.27 | JeffM2501 | REFURB |
| 01:40.30 | JeffM2501 | not new |
| 01:41.22 | a_meteorite | would there be a reliably way to test the hardware? is there any programs out there that try to test hardware against a known static result? |
| 01:41.24 | JeffM2501 | ugg with fedora too |
| 01:41.28 | a_meteorite | this is debian |
| 01:41.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah go there and run tests on it |
| 01:42.14 | JeffM2501 | do ping spams to known good systems on the same network, or on the same backplane |
| 01:42.24 | JeffM2501 | but seriously that's what the hosting provide should do for you |
| 01:43.38 | a_meteorite | well, they did up it to a sys admin right away, but maybe the problem exists not on the network then... |
| 01:43.53 | JeffM2501 | that to me is even worse |
| 01:44.19 | a_meteorite | darn, I think I got jacked :\ |
| 01:44.54 | JeffM2501 | how much research on the company did you do? |
| 01:45.10 | JeffM2501 | did you do a sucks test? |
| 01:45.37 | a_meteorite | webhostingtalk, etc.. everything pointed to a good network and good support for the most part (the things that were wrong were usually the own persons' fault for the people who don't understand unmanaged server) |
| 01:45.48 | a_meteorite | no sucks test.. didn't think about that one |
| 01:46.31 | JeffM2501 | if the majority of the comments are from people who don't know what they are doing, that should give you an indication of how much you should trust their comentary on the subject |
| 01:46.46 | a_meteorite | good point |
| 01:47.13 | Winny | sagonet! ;P |
| 01:47.14 | JeffM2501 | you pay for the year? or eat the setup fee? |
| 01:47.31 | JeffM2501 | the fact that they do that, big red flag for me |
| 01:47.37 | a_meteorite | $125 set-up (I payed $100 for an 80GB HD)... $35/month |
| 01:47.43 | a_meteorite | I'm paying by the month |
| 01:48.02 | a_meteorite | I should have waited for that 80GB HD, to actually make sure this was going to work out |
| 01:48.27 | Winny | I can't believe they'd be in business if their network sucked this much |
| 01:48.40 | a_meteorite | well, maybe for web hosting it doesn't matter as much |
| 01:48.43 | Winny | surely other people in the datacenter are seeing UDP loss |
| 01:49.52 | JeffM2501 | hence why I question the REFUBness ;) |
| 01:50.21 | JeffM2501 | if server quality was my goal, refurbished, aka USED, hardware would not be on my list |
| 01:50.46 | JeffM2501 | I have high doubts that they put the systems thru any type of riggorous factory respecification testing ;) |
| 01:50.57 | JeffM2501 | "bob, that machien boot?" "umm I think so" |
| 01:51.15 | a_meteorite | mmm.. yeah.. I never really thought about used parts having problems |
| 01:51.32 | brlcad | heh |
| 01:51.43 | Winny | it's more of a risk with used parts... but for the most part they're probably fine, 90% of the time |
| 01:51.46 | JeffM2501 | figure the old owner gave it up for SOME reason ;) |
| 01:51.46 | a_meteorite | I mean, hard drive failure, sure, are bad capacitors |
| 01:51.52 | a_meteorite | *or bad |
| 01:52.08 | JeffM2501 | not all failures are blindly catestrophic |
| 01:52.09 | Winny | brlcad: do you highlight when someone says sagonet? ;) |
| 01:52.12 | JeffM2501 | bad ram... |
| 01:52.16 | a_meteorite | ick, that too |
| 01:52.24 | brlcad | just listening |
| 01:52.47 | JeffM2501 | and unless you can go put a memtest CD in that thing, I don't know how you can test for that. |
| 01:53.24 | brlcad | i had a problem with the .de server, seemed to crash under any load .. only became apparent when tupone went to install and set it up |
| 01:53.25 | Winny | JeffM2501: what's opencombat.net on? |
| 01:53.34 | JeffM2501 | the good graces of the brlcad |
| 01:53.39 | Winny | ah :) |
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| 01:54.03 | JeffM2501 | tho part of me now wants to get a system that I can run an everquest server on :) |
| 01:54.20 | brlcad | sent a note in to support, and within 5 minutes got a reply saying they were running a memory test, about a half hour later they said they couldn't find the problem but gave me a new server anyways |
| 01:54.24 | Winny | ick, a different game? ;) |
| 01:54.35 | JeffM2501 | old everquest |
| 01:54.36 | JeffM2501 | ONE |
| 01:54.45 | JeffM2501 | the emulated server is hilarous |
| 01:54.52 | brlcad | mm. you mean evercrack? |
| 01:54.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:55.02 | JeffM2501 | been trying out eqemu |
| 01:55.12 | JeffM2501 | debuging the quest perl scrips is hilarous |
| 01:55.33 | JeffM2501 | since the only form of printf you have is to make the NPCs say stuff like "HANDIN VALUE = TRUE" |
| 01:55.40 | a_meteorite | brlcad: what provider is the .de server? |
| 01:58.50 | scott | Winny: we should put a colo in toronto |
| 01:59.27 | Winny | :o) |
| 02:00.00 | scott | i cant find anything cheapish either :( |
| 02:00.29 | Winny | yeah, for some reason everything here is insanely expensive |
| 02:01.29 | scott | 1000mo is a mortgage! |
| 02:01.46 | Winny | would have been nice, too. I have a 3gb P4 3.2ghz 2U server sitting in the basement. |
| 02:02.07 | scott | nod |
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| 02:04.45 | brlcad | huh, interesting eqemu .. |
| 02:05.01 | JeffM2501 | it wasn't hard to get setup on my windows machine |
| 02:05.14 | JeffM2501 | I can't see it being too hard on nix ether |
| 02:06.06 | JeffM2501 | I want to see if I can use it to muck around with some of my MMO ideas for dynamic worlds |
| 02:06.15 | brlcad | Winny: huh? .. 1000tb? that's insanely cheap |
| 02:06.36 | Winny | err, 1000gb |
| 02:06.39 | Winny | sorry :p |
| 02:06.56 | brlcad | ah :P |
| 02:07.02 | Winny | thinking one thing, wrote down another ;) |
| 02:07.19 | brlcad | going to say, cheapest I pay on a server is about 25usd/tb |
| 02:07.58 | Winny | I was considering putting a server in a colo in the US, but we don't go down to Ohio nearly enough anymore if I had any hardware issues. |
| 02:08.21 | JeffM2501 | why do you want a colo as oposed to a dedicated? |
| 02:08.25 | Winny | wouldn't wanna drive 600miles if I HDD broke ;) |
| 02:08.35 | Winny | s/I/an |
| 02:09.23 | Winny | JeffM2501: once you get to a certain point in hardware speed, it's cheaper to use your own hardware |
| 02:12.08 | JeffM2501 | what are you needing super beef for? |
| 02:12.44 | Winny | why, p2p rendering of course |
| 02:13.49 | rtfm | a warez box |
| 02:14.06 | Winny | heh |
| 02:14.29 | JeffM2501 | warez needs space not speed |
| 02:14.47 | JeffM2501 | and for rendering your beter off geting an array of cheapies |
| 02:15.13 | Winny | hmm, I suppose |
| 02:15.15 | JeffM2501 | bunch of cheap dual core 3800+s in small cases |
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| 21:07.14 | Winny | nn-main: it's "awesome", not "ausom" |
| 21:07.22 | Winny | please please PLEASE try to work on your spelling. |
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| 21:14.44 | JeffM | maybe he invented a word |
| 21:15.23 | JeffM | or he's talking about the largest macintosh user group in australia |
| 21:16.13 | Winny | heh ;) |
| 21:16.55 | JeffM | maybe he got it from those very serious and professional research scientists he works with |
| 21:25.45 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:25.59 | JeffM | that' dosn't mean they can't exist |
| 21:26.06 | Erroneous | some can fake it pretty well |
| 21:27.19 | Erroneous | but once you go to a bar with them you know they aren't really "very serious and professional" at heart :) |
| 21:27.55 | F687s | wait...is it possible for someone to act serious and professional at a bar? |
| 21:28.01 | L4m3r | or you just stayed too long at the bar... |
| 21:28.10 | Erroneous | F687s: sure, policemen and lawyers both manage fairly well |
| 21:28.27 | L4m3r | and gold-diggers |
| 21:28.31 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:28.33 | F687s | not when they're off-duty ;-) |
| 21:28.34 | JeffM | I would say that oyu are off duty at the bar, so you don't have to be proffesional |
| 21:30.35 | Erroneous | most scientists are fond of practical jokes anyway |
| 21:30.56 | Erroneous | so even "on-duty" it's hard to find one that really qualifies :) |
| 21:38.03 | JeffM | that does not suporise me |
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