| 00:00.57 | TD-Linux | same here |
| 00:01.03 | TD-Linux | except ours went from 1.5 to 5 |
| 00:01.06 | TD-Linux | I liked them |
| 00:01.10 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:01.14 | TD-Linux | at first their modem disconnected a lot |
| 00:01.20 | TD-Linux | it was a motorola surfboard |
| 00:01.25 | Winny | rogers gives us about 8/1 IIRC |
| 00:01.31 | TD-Linux | now it's replaced with a generic brand that works perfectly |
| 00:02.16 | blast007 | TD-Linux: I had purchased my own modem to begin with |
| 00:02.19 | TD-Linux | we supposedly only get 256 up |
| 00:02.21 | blast007 | had a D-Link |
| 00:02.22 | TD-Linux | but I get 512 |
| 00:02.32 | blast007 | worked well for quite a while, then it died, so I replaced it with a linksys |
| 00:02.42 | TD-Linux | blast007: we have to rent one, we get 1 plan from IBM |
| 00:02.53 | blast007 | ah |
| 00:02.55 | blast007 | fun |
| 00:07.01 | TD-Linux | 5mbps for $40, which isn't all that great |
| 00:07.10 | TD-Linux | but we need the VPN |
| 00:07.37 | TD-Linux | supposedly |
| 00:07.45 | TD-Linux | I don't understand how we _need_ charter, but w/e |
| 00:10.26 | Winny | is there a way to tell how many polys there are in a map, I've only found tris, which only tells the # of triangles in the screen at that moment. |
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| 00:20.42 | TD-Linux | tris is more useful because it's the amount drawn that counts |
| 00:21.02 | Winny | sometimes it says _nothing_, though. |
| 00:21.14 | TD-Linux | if you have a 100 million poly map, but only 100,000 are visible at a time, that's what counts |
| 00:21.19 | TD-Linux | Winny, oh I suppose your map |
| 00:21.47 | TD-Linux | you can see almost all at once anyway |
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| 00:27.22 | Winny | oh boy |
| 00:27.43 | Winny | HaRmLeSs appears to be using Tor nodes (or soemthing), to join, cheat, and not be banneable. |
| 00:28.13 | JeffM | tor would be TCP only |
| 00:28.27 | blast007 | any proxy would be |
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| 00:28.58 | blast007 | still possible to cause trouble with TCP only though |
| 00:29.04 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:29.15 | JeffM | such as the unknown stuff |
| 00:30.00 | a_meteorite | or those that don't -requireudp |
| 00:30.04 | a_meteorite | Winny: is he identified? |
| 00:30.20 | JeffM | udp is required by default IIRC |
| 00:30.34 | Winny | talking to Lady K, Harmless is using some sort of node to connect to servers now. |
| 00:30.36 | a_meteorite | JeffM: hmm, maybe in 2.0.10... it wasn't in 2.0.8 and most of 2.0.9 |
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| 00:30.57 | blast007 | JeffM: I don't think it is |
| 00:30.59 | JeffM | should have been in all 2.0.xs |
| 00:31.02 | JeffM | that sucks |
| 00:31.05 | a_meteorite | then it isn't |
| 00:31.12 | blast007 | the client itself tries to always use it |
| 00:31.16 | JeffM | ahh |
| 00:31.23 | blast007 | but the server does not enforce it by default |
| 00:31.30 | blast007 | doubt it does even in trunk |
| 00:31.35 | a_meteorite | harmless has always been an annoying bugger, but now he's cheating? :\ |
| 00:31.53 | JeffM | don't be so sure it's the real him |
| 00:31.54 | a_meteorite | interesting, meh |
| 00:31.56 | Winny | seems so |
| 00:31.59 | a_meteorite | that's why I asked if he was identified |
| 00:32.06 | JeffM | he can't ID under that name |
| 00:32.08 | blast007 | he can't be |
| 00:32.11 | JeffM | we pulled his account |
| 00:32.13 | a_meteorite | oh |
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| 00:59.24 | Macrosoft | hmm...never looked through the bz locales before, but it seems that it includes odd ones like klingon and redneck :D |
| 01:00.15 | Winny | hehe |
| 01:00.19 | Winny | Cloakin |
| 01:01.11 | Gnurdux | "Up/Down arrows t'move, Enter t'seleck, Esc t'dismiss" |
| 01:01.53 | Gnurdux | Narrow (+N): Tank is super skimpy. Mighty hard t'hit fum front but is no'mal size fum side. Kin git through small openin's. |
| 01:03.12 | Gnurdux | oh, and 1337 too |
| 01:03.33 | Gnurdux | $cr0LL mE5S4g3 lo9 PHOrw4rD |
| 01:03.43 | F687s | You finally discovered the joy of Redneck... |
| 01:03.43 | Gnurdux | Pr3s$ 3n+ER tO $EleC+ 4nD + +0 T35t 4 FoRM4+. e5C +0 3X1+ |
| 01:03.55 | F687s | "How weez doin'" |
| 01:05.18 | Macrosoft | *shakes violently* no! make it stop! |
| 01:05.57 | F687s | I even created a new locale to integrate with Unix! (http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11706) |
| 01:07.01 | Gnurdux | This is a locale I made in my spare time. For those of you who use Unix systems (not that wimpy Linux stuff), you are probably disappointed how BZFlag |
| 01:07.07 | Gnurdux | what do you mean "Unix"? |
| 01:07.20 | Gnurdux | you mean Sysv derivatives? |
| 01:08.08 | Macrosoft | linux "wimpy"? *twitch* madness! |
| 01:08.44 | F687s | (for all of the hardcore Unix users, Linux could be considered wimpy) |
| 01:09.17 | F687s | "Really, this is 1/4 Unix, 1/4 C, 1/4 Perl, and 1/4 man page. And it's far from complete. But it's a start. I hope you like it." |
| 01:10.12 | Gnurdux | F687s, wimpy compared to what other sort of Unix? |
| 01:10.15 | Gnurdux | *BSD? |
| 01:10.27 | F687s | 1969 Unix ;-) |
| 01:10.38 | blast007 | riiight |
| 01:11.37 | F687s | "Back in my day, we had no stinkin' KDE, no mouse, we had to do everything with a Space Cadet Keyboard and ed." |
| 01:11.56 | Gnurdux | unix didnt exist in 1969 |
| 01:12.04 | Gnurdux | was written in 1970 or 71 |
| 01:12.17 | F687s | ~wikipedia Unix |
| 01:12.18 | blast007 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix |
| 01:12.47 | Gnurdux | wow |
| 01:12.48 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 01:12.50 | Gnurdux | you win |
| 01:13.49 | blast007 | F687s: so are you using a 1969 UNIX box right now? |
| 01:14.40 | F687s | for some reason, underscores don't work in a locale; they're hex encoded. |
| 01:15.24 | F687s | I wanna rewrite it, and turn it into a "Terse" locale... |
| 01:16.13 | F687s | blast007: ha, ha. |
| 01:16.23 | F687s | I use the sucky Darwin. |
| 01:16.32 | blast007 | but why would you want to use a more wimpy OS? |
| 01:17.09 | F687s | I'm working on it... |
| 01:17.32 | F687s | You DO realize that I wrote up the description just for fun, right? |
| 01:17.54 | blast007 | you do realize I'm just giving you a hard time for fun, right? ;) |
| 01:18.02 | Winny | hehe |
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| 01:19.22 | F687s | You do realize that you're just a... *dodges inordinate amount of bullets, unsuccessfully* |
| 01:19.22 | Winny | ~Constitution++ |
| 01:19.32 | Winny | ~Constitution++ |
| 01:21.35 | Constitution | anyone know how to turn highliting on in irssi for messages when your nick is not at the beginning? :P |
| 01:29.26 | Winny | it's because you're fat! |
| 01:29.32 | Winny | he can't hug you back ;P |
| 01:31.50 | Macrosoft | F687s: how do you fix the 0x5f instead of underscore thing? |
| 01:32.25 | F687s | not sure... |
| 01:33.26 | Macrosoft | F687s: im going to try changing "depth_buffer(3):" to "depth"0x5F"buffer(3)" and see if that works |
| 01:33.41 | F687s | ok |
| 01:33.46 | Macrosoft | i dont know if bz will accept locales like that |
| 01:38.57 | Macrosoft | nope, it just ignores it |
| 01:40.04 | F687s | agh, I said it was a work in progress... |
| 01:40.40 | F687s | p.s. how do you respond to this? (http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=119811#119811) |
| 01:42.07 | Macrosoft | F687s: stab him in the face over the internet...err i mean express you concern over his remark and give him a hug :p |
| 01:43.11 | hwilde | but my fps is limited yo |
| 01:44.14 | Macrosoft | F687s: the knives-over-IP protocol hasn't been finished yet |
| 01:44.16 | Macrosoft | :p |
| 01:46.06 | blast007 | did world weapons get added in BZFlag 1.10 or 2.0? |
| 01:46.19 | F687s | Macrosoft: I heard that you can do more damage to somebody if you do it with a smile :-) |
| 01:46.49 | Macrosoft | F687s: emotional, not physical |
| 01:47.36 | Macrosoft | F687s: really the best thing to do would be to ignore him |
| 01:47.56 | Macrosoft | F687s: most of his posts are flamebait and crap |
| 01:53.52 | F687s | Macrosoft: Okay. *stores away bazooka for later use* |
| 02:00.10 | mbfg | if only bztanks had these: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/06/231221&from=rss |
| 02:07.30 | F687s | mbfg: May I introduce,,,,the Stealth flag! |
| 02:11.29 | Macrosoft | it would be nice if we could hit gm's with our bullets or whatever weapon we have (hint hint) |
| 02:11.54 | Macrosoft | gm is still a bit overpowered |
| 02:11.55 | blast007 | Macrosoft: let us know when you write the code for all that |
| 02:20.08 | Macrosoft | blast007: sure, ive got it scheduled in for sometime between the revival of the dreamcast, and hell freezing over :p |
| 02:21.26 | Winny | and releasing dukem nukem forever? |
| 02:21.31 | Winny | on the phantom console? |
| 02:21.37 | Winny | right after 3.0 comes out? |
| 02:23.04 | Macrosoft | i missed out completely on getting a dreamcast, it was dropped before i had a chance to get one |
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| 02:31.27 | Macrosoft | brb, reboot |
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| 02:34.47 | spldart | Duke 3D~!! |
| 02:37.11 | spldart | btw SW killing incoming GM would be kew :) |
| 02:37.33 | Macrosoft | spldart: naw, then sw would be too hard to kill |
| 02:38.02 | AHA | SW is already a very powerful flag |
| 02:38.32 | a_meteorite | AHA: only when it doesn't mojo with the map |
| 02:38.42 | spldart | Not as powerful as L or GM IMO |
| 02:38.52 | a_meteorite | yeah, laser is much better for the most part |
| 02:38.56 | Macrosoft | spldart: low shot limits on gm work. teaches players to use the shots wisely, or die |
| 02:38.58 | AHA | yeah, as a_meteorite said, it depends on the map |
| 02:39.05 | a_meteorite | a good experienced person can pretty much use that at any sort of map, SW is limited in many maps |
| 02:40.37 | Macrosoft | i wish there was a way to stop those little punks that get loads of kills by just randomly firing lasers everywhere, and getting everyone with the rico |
| 02:40.40 | spldart | In case I'm not clear.. only have SW effective against GM which implies an apperatus coming in your sphere of death... Not effective against dumb projectiles or particle beams so your still able to be shot by most |
| 02:41.24 | Macrosoft | spldart: but gm is usually the only way i can hit someone with sw |
| 02:42.37 | spldart | really... I usually SB, L, F or just regular shoot 'em |
| 02:42.47 | Macrosoft | is there a variable that limits the number of times a laser will ricochet |
| 02:42.48 | spldart | But if I have a gm handy ;-) |
| 02:44.19 | Macrosoft | in reality, most objects arent 100% reflective, so lasers shouldnt just richochet as many times as it does |
| 02:44.41 | AHA | bzflag isnt reality :) |
| 02:44.58 | AHA | you dont have "flags" that give you awsome powers |
| 02:45.20 | AHA | or nicely made buildings and bases |
| 02:45.31 | AHA | or even colored bullets |
| 02:46.07 | Macrosoft | AHA: yeah, but the only thing more annoying than gm is laser. at least you have a _chance_ to dodge a gm |
| 02:46.13 | AHA | im sure a real tank missile wouldnt richochet off a wall |
| 02:47.29 | Macrosoft | i like how you have to charge the spartan laser to fire it, makes it fair |
| 02:49.51 | Macrosoft | ...when you see that little red beam that looks like a laser-pointer on you, that's your warning to move your ass or be fried |
| 02:50.04 | spldart | I know something very desirable... A shortcut key to blow up your missle before target |
| 02:50.23 | Macrosoft | spldart: for tk prevention? |
| 02:50.27 | spldart | yep |
| 02:50.58 | spldart | Sometimes you got a teamate who get's in your well positioned line of fire and catches your lock |
| 02:51.22 | Constitution | so unlock |
| 02:51.25 | Macrosoft | spldart: they made it easy to tk like that on purpose, thats why it even lets you lock on to teammates at all |
| 02:51.33 | Constitution | and if they're moving, you might be lucky |
| 02:52.30 | spldart | Yah know.... I've never tried it... will a missle that you fire but never lock still kill if it hits? |
| 02:52.42 | Macrosoft | spldart: yep |
| 02:52.57 | spldart | yep.. need shortcut destruct |
| 02:54.09 | Macrosoft | spldart: i like to fire 3 missiles spread apart at different angles, let them travel along that path, then lock on, so they come at the target from threee different angles >:) |
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| 02:55.09 | spldart | Yep.. done that... and the around corners thing.... :-) |
| 02:55.55 | Macrosoft | spldart: even better would be to jump and fire a fourth into the air :D |
| 02:56.38 | spldart | Yep... jack in the box like in the ducatti missle war... sometimes thought that's just long enough to get picked off yourself hehe |
| 03:10.02 | Winny | delete/move? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12061 |
| 03:11.08 | Winny | "Do yourself a favor and cheat" |
| 03:13.10 | Think_Differentl | Windows Vista Ultimate rocks? |
| 03:13.12 | Think_Differentl | :o |
| 03:13.28 | Winny | it does. |
| 03:13.43 | Winny | I like how he lists games, and then an OS |
| 03:14.26 | Think_Differentl | meh, linux is preferred for me. I will touch a Windows OS just for games. |
| 03:16.42 | Think_Differentl | JeffM, anyone who is an administrator on a server, i think. |
| 03:16.53 | JeffM | ahh |
| 03:21.27 | Winny | haha... oh dear |
| 03:21.27 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12062 |
| 03:21.42 | Winny | "Achilles topic deleted?" |
| 03:22.06 | hwilde | bzdrama :{ |
| 03:22.36 | Winny | bzmorons |
| 03:26.53 | Winny | oh boy... it never ends |
| 03:26.54 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9219 |
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| 03:27.01 | Winny | he awoke a 2 year old topic |
| 03:27.29 | a_meteorite | oh god |
| 03:27.34 | Winny | AGH! |
| 03:27.41 | Winny | now captainmack is sending me PMs |
| 03:27.46 | Winny | "why was my post deleted" |
| 03:28.01 | Winny | why do they think it is ME who does that.. ugh. |
| 03:28.40 | JeffM | tell him to read his own PMs |
| 03:28.59 | JeffM | isn't he "jack" ? |
| 03:29.45 | Winny | captainmack? no idea. |
| 03:31.31 | hwilde | dont u get an alert when the person deletes your post |
| 03:31.49 | JeffM | nope |
| 03:31.58 | JeffM | only if we send you a PM |
| 03:32.01 | JeffM | and I send him a PM |
| 03:32.39 | JeffM | I told him why |
| 03:32.41 | JeffM | in a PM |
| 03:33.00 | Winny | ah |
| 03:33.02 | Winny | goodie |
| 03:34.36 | hwilde | you should make a way to 'delete' it so to that person it is still there |
| 03:34.42 | hwilde | but nobody else can reply lol |
| 03:34.56 | Winny | you mean locking the thread? |
| 03:34.58 | a_meteorite | you mean locked? |
| 03:35.20 | hwilde | ah they've thought of everything! |
| 03:35.24 | JeffM | we delete then the info has no reason to be on the board |
| 03:35.44 | JeffM | we lock when the info is worth keeping but discussion is not needed/flaimbait |
| 03:35.55 | JeffM | there is no reason or need to keep crap we don't want. |
| 03:36.08 | hwilde | hehe it should send the person a message "Your post was not worthy and was thus deleted" |
| 03:36.19 | JeffM | that is what admins do |
| 03:36.27 | JeffM | usualy it is a violation of the rules |
| 03:36.29 | Winny | yay, another golden terd from Wabbits with a laptop http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11644 |
| 03:36.32 | JeffM | and the poster is notified as such |
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| 03:53.12 | Think_Differentl | Winny, woohoo! |
| 03:54.39 | Winny | Think_Differentl: ? |
| 03:55.08 | Think_Differentl | Winny, your paste |
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| 05:13.39 | ZhayTee | Hallo. |
| 05:14.02 | ZhayTee | Is there a "primary" BZFlag developer that I may e-mail or privmsg? |
| 05:14.26 | JeffM | bout what? |
| 05:15.13 | JeffM | I am one of the project administrators, we don't realy have a single lead dev |
| 05:15.50 | ZhayTee | Well, I recently have been playing BZFlag, and I noticed that there is a distinct lack of music in the game. I've written music for some opensource games in the past (Tux Racer, Battle for Wesnoth, amongst others) and I was wondering if you BZFlag folks would like some unobtrusive but interesting music to spice up BZFlag. :) |
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| 05:16.05 | JeffM | hard to say |
| 05:16.30 | JeffM | most people play with the sound off, and our sound system dosn't support streaming any kind of compressed fomrat |
| 05:16.39 | JeffM | but it could be intersting |
| 05:16.58 | JeffM | I'd like to hear it for sure |
| 05:17.19 | ZhayTee | Out of curiosity, which library does BZFlag use for audio output? |
| 05:17.24 | JeffM | dosn't |
| 05:17.34 | JeffM | it existed before there were sound libs ;) |
| 05:17.44 | JeffM | on linux it just gets a buffer to the card from SDL |
| 05:17.50 | JeffM | so that can use alsa or oss |
| 05:18.03 | JeffM | on mac, SDL just fires off to the apple sound stuff |
| 05:18.14 | JeffM | on windows we just call direct sound directly and get the buffer |
| 05:18.24 | JeffM | but BZ does all it's own sound mixing and 3d stuff |
| 05:19.01 | ZhayTee | Ah, okay. Well, if you wanted streaming vorbis support (for example), SDL_mixer provides it on most of the major platforms. (i.e., Linux, OS X, and Windows) |
| 05:19.24 | JeffM | we have our own vorbis code from an dead branch |
| 05:19.30 | JeffM | not all our platforms use SDL |
| 05:19.45 | ZhayTee | Hmm, okay. |
| 05:19.47 | JeffM | we can make it do that, we'd just have to get someone to write the code in |
| 05:20.03 | JeffM | I was just saying we don't have code that does that now |
| 05:20.58 | JeffM | the music would also have to be releasable under the LGPL |
| 05:21.02 | JeffM | if it was to ship with the game |
| 05:21.10 | JeffM | and copyright turned over to TimRiker |
| 05:22.57 | ZhayTee | Well, I can grant redistribution rights, but I can't turn over the copyright wholesale. ;) |
| 05:23.14 | JeffM | we don't have a method to handle multiple copyrights |
| 05:23.39 | JeffM | right now everything we distribute has been turned over to his copyright |
| 05:23.51 | ZhayTee | Oh. I see. |
| 05:23.51 | JeffM | that's not to say we could not make it an add on pack or something |
| 05:24.40 | JeffM | I'd still like to hear it |
| 05:25.03 | JeffM | if it's cool that may spur some developer to add the music support, then we could figure out a distrobution system |
| 05:25.58 | ZhayTee | You're welcome to visit my website and listen to my music. |
| 05:26.00 | ZhayTee | http://zhaymusic.com/ |
| 05:26.43 | JeffM | ahh so you didn't write something specificly for bzflag, you were just saying that we could pick from your music, I see |
| 05:26.46 | blast007 | JeffM: "most people play with the sound off" really? |
| 05:26.53 | JeffM | that's what I've heard |
| 05:26.57 | blast007 | heh |
| 05:27.02 | blast007 | I find it hard to do that... |
| 05:27.23 | blast007 | how would you know if someone is shooting at you with Invisible Bullet? ;D |
| 05:27.34 | JeffM | radar ;) |
| 05:27.41 | blast007 | doesn't show on radar |
| 05:27.44 | JeffM | ah |
| 05:27.48 | blast007 | only out the screen |
| 05:27.53 | ZhayTee | JeffM: Sorry, what I actually meant was: if you guys like my music in general, I would be willing to produce an original soundtrack for BZFlag. |
| 05:27.57 | JeffM | well most of them play on those fabilion shot/player servers. |
| 05:28.02 | blast007 | so if I hear them, but don't see them, I can start to assume someone has IB |
| 05:28.06 | JeffM | so it's constantly making shoot noises |
| 05:28.32 | JeffM | ZhayTee: it could be an iteresting project, but it would take a lot more then just having the media |
| 05:28.56 | blast007 | I had a modification to the audio code that let me play a music loop |
| 05:29.00 | blast007 | but that was years ago |
| 05:29.07 | blast007 | 1.7 code, iirc |
| 05:29.16 | JeffM | yeah we'd want to be able to stream compressed format |
| 05:29.22 | JeffM | we have that ogg code |
| 05:29.25 | blast007 | yeah |
| 05:29.28 | JeffM | it'd also be nice to use hardware 3d |
| 05:29.34 | JeffM | so something like openAL would be the way to go |
| 05:30.06 | JeffM | software dopeler and paning was cool 13 years ago, but now the hardware can do a better job |
| 05:30.24 | JeffM | and as Macrosoft inidcated, do encoding into dolby formats for multi-speaker setups |
| 05:31.24 | Macrosoft | zomg! i can hear exactly where the bullets are coming fro-*boom**dies* |
| 05:31.32 | ZhayTee | JeffM: Do you guys coordinate your development discussions on a web forum or something? |
| 05:31.44 | JeffM | coordinate? |
| 05:31.46 | JeffM | what is that? |
| 05:31.47 | JeffM | ;) |
| 05:32.06 | ZhayTee | Heh heh. |
| 05:32.07 | blast007 | hehe |
| 05:32.14 | JeffM | you are looking at our level of coordination |
| 05:32.25 | ZhayTee | All right. ;O |
| 05:32.28 | JeffM | we are prety much a "whatever you want to do" thing |
| 05:32.42 | JeffM | there is no roadmap or plan or heirachy or anything |
| 05:32.49 | ZhayTee | Well, if the idea takes off and someone decides to add vorbis support, do contact me. I'm on freenode 24/7 under this nick. |
| 05:34.16 | JeffM | I can't ensure that the developer that decides to do it will remember that |
| 05:34.43 | ZhayTee | Yes, but I hope YOU will. ;) |
| 05:34.58 | JeffM | can't ensure that ether :) |
| 05:35.08 | ZhayTee | I'll pop back in here at some point in the future, then. |
| 05:35.15 | ZhayTee | Anywho, thanks for your time. See ya. |
| 05:35.22 | JeffM | have fun |
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| 05:35.35 | Macrosoft | JeffM: some systems dont have to use dolby to put all the channels in one cable. many have multiple output ports |
| 05:35.53 | JeffM | Macrosoft: that's up to the hardware implementation |
| 05:36.07 | JeffM | i.e if it has an encoder in it or not |
| 05:36.20 | JeffM | and if the hardware can do the 3d surround computations |
| 05:36.38 | JeffM | basicly that's all left up to the driver, not the application |
| 05:36.44 | JeffM | apps arn't suposed to talk directly to hardwarea |
| 05:37.13 | JeffM | unless you want to go back to the dos days, "pick your video card" |
| 05:37.47 | JeffM | on windows direct sound as a full 3d API |
| 05:38.05 | JeffM | on nix that's up to the openAL driver ( and then it takes it to software or EAX if you have it ) |
| 05:38.12 | JeffM | on apple, I don't know what they do |
| 05:38.25 | Macrosoft | i dont think linux supports dolby or spdif |
| 05:38.49 | JeffM | eax can |
| 05:38.59 | JeffM | and if you have a creative card, you can get an openAL driver |
| 05:39.11 | JeffM | and then an openAL app can call that, etc.. |
| 05:39.26 | JeffM | but yes linux sound is a mess |
| 05:39.38 | JeffM | direct sound actualy make sound on windows cake |
| 05:40.20 | Macrosoft | but writing directly to /dev/dsp is _so_ much fun :p |
| 05:40.56 | JeffM | with that IIRC all you can do for sound is preencode |
| 05:41.03 | JeffM | in dolby or some format |
| 05:41.11 | JeffM | and that's not free code |
| 05:41.49 | Macrosoft | brb, switching |
| 05:41.59 | JeffM | optimaly I'd like a sound system that was modular that could have openAL, or native windows stuff, etc.. as a back end |
| 05:42.36 | JeffM | tho just openAL may be fine, but I'd still want to wrap it and not throw openAL calls all around |
| 05:42.49 | JeffM | in case linux gets it's sound stuff together and we have to swap again later |
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| 05:44.15 | Constitution | a/window 7 |
| 05:45.14 | JeffM | ? |
| 05:46.57 | Constitution | sorry |
| 05:47.15 | JeffM | no time for love Dr. Jones! |
| 05:47.36 | Constitution | the curse of text-based IRC ;) |
| 05:49.05 | Winny | hehe |
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| 06:05.31 | Macrosoft | ahh, spdif does work in linux |
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| 06:08.47 | blast007 | JeffM_: yeah, I'm not sure if OpenAL was doing hardware 3D on my systems |
| 06:09.05 | blast007 | I don't have a creative labs card |
| 06:10.03 | Macrosoft | me neither, ive got some hda nvidia card |
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| 06:10.43 | JeffM2501 | install windows ;) |
| 06:10.48 | JeffM2501 | then all will be well |
| 06:10.52 | blast007 | I was on Windows |
| 06:11.13 | JeffM2501 | then openAL should hand it off do dsound |
| 06:11.13 | Macrosoft | but rebooting all the time sucks |
| 06:11.22 | blast007 | dsound, or dsound3d? |
| 06:11.25 | JeffM2501 | and your driver should take care of the hardware 3d |
| 06:11.29 | JeffM2501 | it's all the same now |
| 06:12.09 | blast007 | 0 - Generic Software on SoundMAX Digital Audio |
| 06:12.12 | blast007 | yay for crappy onboard |
| 06:12.15 | JeffM2501 | if openAL won't drop down to hardware 3d in direct sound then it's not a good choice on windows |
| 06:12.35 | JeffM2501 | most mobo drivers do some 3d sound, even if it's just the panning |
| 06:12.41 | JeffM2501 | or at least the mixing |
| 06:12.48 | JeffM2501 | mixing in hardware == good thing |
| 06:12.58 | blast007 | I can't remember if any of my systems shows anything except "Generic Software" |
| 06:13.09 | blast007 | even on my system with a 6.1 card |
| 06:13.19 | JeffM2501 | under openAL or in directX? |
| 06:13.23 | blast007 | OpenAL |
| 06:13.33 | blast007 | using the EnumerateWin32.exe |
| 06:13.35 | JeffM2501 | try the directX samples that should have been installed with the SDK |
| 06:14.02 | Macrosoft | brb, switching again |
| 06:15.40 | blast007 | I don't have the full DirectX SDK (I only have the stuff that came with Visual Studio 2003) |
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| 06:15.47 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 06:16.03 | blast007 | so could that be why? |
| 06:16.10 | JeffM2501 | shoudn't be |
| 06:16.13 | blast007 | ok |
| 06:16.17 | JeffM2501 | that includes the headers and libs |
| 06:16.20 | JeffM2501 | just not the samples |
| 06:16.35 | JeffM2501 | your open AL shold have no problem building with directSound |
| 06:16.41 | JeffM2501 | I mean bz uses direct sound and it linked |
| 06:16.58 | blast007 | yeah, I can't remember if all my systems only had the 'software' mode |
| 06:17.18 | blast007 | my 6.1 card supposedly has EAX extensions |
| 06:17.29 | JeffM2501 | many do |
| 06:18.17 | blast007 | it's an old Hercules GameTheater XP |
| 06:18.24 | blast007 | with the big breakout box ;) |
| 06:18.33 | blast007 | connectors for all kinds of crap |
| 06:20.04 | JeffM2501 | tho looks like directSound is being replaced by "XAudio" |
| 06:22.10 | JeffM2501 | "Starting wih DirectX 8 onwards, DirectSound and DirectSound3D (DS3D) are together referred to as DirectX Audio." |
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| 17:06.04 | whodaman- | :p |
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| 18:24.09 | whodaman- | eep |
| 18:24.13 | whodaman- | forums are slow :p |
| 18:24.25 | L4m3r | it happens |
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| 20:03.51 | Winny | ~dns 24.218.225.143 |
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| 20:11.03 | donny_baker | ~winny++ |
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| 20:11.30 | Winny | ~Constitution++ |
| 20:12.15 | whodaman- | hmm? |
| 20:12.32 | whodaman- | ~dns 84.182.35.94 |
| 20:12.40 | whodaman- | *gulp* |
| 20:14.12 | Winny | hostban |
| 20:14.13 | Winny | :D |
| 20:14.43 | whodaman- | That's actually not my host |
| 20:14.44 | whodaman- | sa |
| 20:15.01 | whodaman- | ~dns 88.66.13.253 |
| 20:15.13 | whodaman- | :E |
| 20:19.16 | Constitution | mm, what did I do this time? |
| 20:19.34 | Winny | nn graph |
| 20:19.35 | Winny | :) |
| 20:19.39 | Constitution | lol |
| 20:24.17 | Winny | ~Constitution-- |
| 20:24.24 | Winny | ;) |
| 20:24.26 | Winny | ~Constitution++ |
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| 20:44.57 | whodaman- | heh |
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| 20:59.03 | JeffM | why? |
| 21:00.13 | L4m3r | we can't just ban a whole block of comcast subscribers |
| 21:00.25 | JeffM | that and he hasn't done anything |
| 21:00.34 | JeffM | I'm guessing we are too booring |
| 21:01.00 | L4m3r | or he saw that you were online and bailed... I'm guessing that Winny thinks it's our "friend" |
| 21:01.23 | JeffM | oh I'm sure it is |
| 21:01.37 | JeffM | but honestly if he dosn't do anything I could care less |
| 21:02.35 | JeffM | he most likely left cus noone said anything, what was the timestamps on it? I was at lunch |
| 21:02.53 | L4m3r | on 12:36, gone 12:44 |
| 21:03.12 | JeffM | yeah he needs activity to work |
| 21:03.19 | JeffM | or it's just boredom for him |
| 21:03.28 | JeffM | and that's a much greater incentive for him to stop then any ban |
| 21:04.30 | L4m3r | I guess |
| 21:07.03 | Winny | Im just worried he'll come in when no ops are around and stir up some poop |
| 21:07.46 | TheRedBaron | i'm on comcast, and i'm innocent! |
| 21:08.00 | brlcad | and he's not actually done anything (yet) |
| 21:08.16 | Winny | brlcad: perhaps you missed the freenode k-line? |
| 21:08.17 | JeffM | Winny, that can happen with anyone |
| 21:08.23 | JeffM | at any time |
| 21:08.32 | JeffM | you know how to get staffers if you need to |
| 21:08.35 | brlcad | for almost any reason |
| 21:09.09 | JeffM | there isn't a clean techincal solution to the problem, since the problem is social |
| 21:09.40 | brlcad | and being anti-social hardly helps ;) |
| 21:09.48 | JeffM | your under the dilusion that any techincal action we take actualy affects him in a signifigant way. beter to make him not care to come back. |
| 21:10.34 | Winny | It does effect him, it causes him not to come in and be a moron while others are trying to do something, but whatever |
| 21:10.57 | JeffM | at the cost of real users |
| 21:11.09 | brlcad | or to actually try harder to be even more disruptive |
| 21:11.09 | JeffM | is one moron worth 2 real users? |
| 21:11.11 | JeffM | or one |
| 21:11.18 | Winny | someone else will be connecting from 76.105.5.93? |
| 21:11.20 | JeffM | he's not THAT disruptive here. |
| 21:11.27 | brlcad | that's the problem of most trouble-makers -- the more attention you provide, the worse it tends to get |
| 21:11.39 | JeffM | Winny, he can change his IP all it does is give him attention |
| 21:11.54 | JeffM | when doing nothing made him go away and he hasn't come back since |
| 21:12.05 | JeffM | so we actualy got a longer time with out him by doing nothing. |
| 21:12.10 | brlcad | the fact that we're even still talking about him is bad on our part |
| 21:12.13 | JeffM | since if I'd done a slam ban he'd come back. |
| 21:12.17 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:12.33 | brlcad | and happy new year jeff, dunt think I got to say it :) |
| 21:14.37 | JeffM | you probalby did, I just wasn't here |
| 21:15.22 | scott | is that a bzflag map? :) |
| 21:15.27 | JeffM | nope |
| 21:16.10 | Winny | Jeff doesn't play BZFlag ;) |
| 21:17.19 | scott | heh |
| 21:17.32 | JeffM | tis a silly game |
| 21:18.45 | Winny | JeffM: did you used to play (on a regular basis)? |
| 21:18.50 | JeffM | nope |
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| 21:21.02 | Erroneous | the cake is a lie |
| 21:21.55 | JeffM | then when I run out of lies, I'll let you know ;) |
| 21:24.02 | Erroneous | heh |
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| 21:36.23 | JeffM | so when did nn's server topic become a "rag on nn" session? |
| 21:37.14 | Winny | after we've told him 10's of times in other places to use the mapchange plugin and he just blows us off. |
| 21:37.33 | JeffM | so |
| 21:37.41 | Winny | uh? |
| 21:37.42 | JeffM | when do you have rights to tell him how to run his computers? |
| 21:37.47 | JeffM | he can blow you off |
| 21:37.55 | JeffM | there is nothign that says he has to listen to you |
| 21:38.02 | JeffM | and the boards are not for raging on people |
| 21:38.43 | Winny | look, other people feel this way, clearly it's becoming an issue |
| 21:38.56 | JeffM | Constitution gave him the sugestion, if he wants to do it he will, if he dosn't then there is no way you can for him, just he can't force you to do anything you don't want to |
| 21:39.00 | JeffM | dosn't matter |
| 21:39.18 | JeffM | you may feel that way, but when do "other people" have any say in how you run your computers? |
| 21:39.23 | Winny | how is posting a graph which outlines his number of servers being "raging"? |
| 21:39.33 | JeffM | it was off topic |
| 21:40.02 | Winny | if I was running that many servers, I sure as heck would listen to people if they wanted them removed |
| 21:40.09 | JeffM | that is you |
| 21:40.23 | JeffM | personaly I agree, he's running pointless servers |
| 21:40.30 | JeffM | but we have never had a policy on that |
| 21:40.35 | F687s | you must realize that setting up mapchange requires intelligence ;-) |
| 21:40.41 | Winny | heh |
| 21:40.42 | JeffM | F687s, be nice |
| 21:41.14 | F687s | well, it's not for the feint of heart. |
| 21:41.26 | JeffM | I'm not saying i"m against maybe looking into having a per host limit on maps. but that's a big change. |
| 21:41.39 | F687s | also, are you including the entire bzfmaps.net domain in that chart? |
| 21:41.41 | JeffM | and it's not good to punish people for doing something just cus our software sucks at displaying that data. |
| 21:41.54 | Winny | that would be nice.. I honeslty see no reason for someone to run more then 10-15 servers |
| 21:42.04 | JeffM | Winny, cus they want to |
| 21:42.10 | JeffM | that's all the reason they need |
| 21:42.59 | F687s | ahs3, r3lax, sigonasr2, z[h]ero, cruel dog, ducktape, peter, tedius, and myself all have server accounts on bzfmaps.net |
| 21:43.11 | Winny | what about having a more advanced filter option built into the client? It only shows servers that only have players at that moment, for example |
| 21:43.26 | Winny | you could toggle the filter on or off, etc.. |
| 21:43.31 | JeffM | sure any change to the list would help |
| 21:43.39 | JeffM | personaly I'd like to see tabs and a tree view |
| 21:43.43 | JeffM | then do a tab for active servers |
| 21:43.57 | JeffM | then the rest be done in a tree by ether hostname or game type depending on your setting |
| 21:44.16 | JeffM | then you could just collapse entire domains down into a one line item |
| 21:44.24 | JeffM | that and do a real scrolling list, not this page stuff |
| 21:44.52 | JeffM | right now we do have an active server filter, actives are on the top ;) |
| 21:45.11 | Winny | could be interesting if people could "rate" servers based on different variables too, but since I can't add it I probably shouldn't say it |
| 21:45.28 | JeffM | that requires you to trust users |
| 21:45.42 | Winny | like: level of difficulty, admin quality, game quality, etc.. |
| 21:46.01 | scott | haha, admin quality... |
| 21:46.06 | Winny | :p |
| 21:46.10 | Winny | hd to throw that one in |
| 21:46.14 | JeffM | those are all very fuzzy thigns to quantify |
| 21:46.22 | scott | indeed |
| 21:46.27 | Winny | just an example.. |
| 21:46.37 | scott | the only ones voting are the ones who are kicked/banned |
| 21:47.10 | Erroneous | we have searches, so actually having all the maps people are willing to host up at once makes sense to me |
| 21:47.39 | Winny | ratings could only be done by "trusted" users, for example. |
| 21:47.50 | JeffM | who picks who is trusted? |
| 21:47.54 | Erroneous | anything about "the server list gets hard to browse" just means we have some limitations in bzflag that need to be addressed |
| 21:48.14 | Erroneous | there are plenty of games that have multiple 10s of thousands of servers listed at any given time |
| 21:48.20 | Erroneous | 350 is not that many |
| 21:48.30 | JeffM | it's just our display of the data sucks |
| 21:48.38 | JeffM | there is a lot we can do |
| 21:48.43 | F687s | maybe have a setting to not show unpopulated servers? |
| 21:48.58 | Erroneous | we have searches and favorites. we could use filters (for particular game modes, hide empty, etc) |
| 21:49.09 | Erroneous | we could use a tree structure |
| 21:49.22 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:49.27 | JeffM | filter filter filter!!!! |
| 21:49.30 | JeffM | pngf |
| 21:49.31 | F687s | tree? |
| 21:49.32 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:49.37 | JeffM | tree |
| 21:49.51 | Winny | brlcad: why was filter in there to begin with? |
| 21:50.03 | brlcad | for the bad word filter |
| 21:50.06 | JeffM | group them by domain, and put a little + by it so can collapse the tree |
| 21:50.24 | JeffM | could be done with the left and right arrow keys to open and close a branch |
| 21:50.25 | JeffM | filter |
| 21:50.27 | JeffM | png |
| 21:50.55 | F687s | but there are many different ways to classify servers. |
| 21:51.08 | JeffM | Erroneous |
| 21:51.10 | JeffM | ;) |
| 21:51.13 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:51.23 | JeffM | F687s, I'd do tabs for the game types |
| 21:51.33 | Erroneous | good thing nobody wanted to talk about png line filters :) |
| 21:51.34 | JeffM | then user defined tabs that had custom searches |
| 21:51.46 | F687s | JeffM: one classification down, many more to go... |
| 21:51.49 | Winny | JeffM: I assume the "popular" tab would remain? |
| 21:51.52 | JeffM | so if you realy wanted to sort by CTF games with more then 3 shots, tc.. |
| 21:52.20 | JeffM | Winny, the default tab for each game type I'd sort on population |
| 21:52.26 | Erroneous | exactly...let people define real search criteria other than server name |
| 21:52.34 | JeffM | so it'd be like spliting up our current list by type |
| 21:52.50 | Winny | hmm, I'd think most users would want a tab with just the popular maps on it |
| 21:52.52 | Erroneous | first page should probably be "all populated" or something |
| 21:52.53 | JeffM | then I'd tree on domain inside of that. |
| 21:53.01 | Erroneous | otherwise, which game mode do you have as the default? :) |
| 21:53.05 | JeffM | yeah first page would be the most active or something |
| 21:53.14 | F687s | Erroneous: rabbit hunt, of course! |
| 21:53.15 | JeffM | "prefered" wold be my druthers ;) |
| 21:53.24 | Erroneous | F687s: sounds good to me! :) |
| 21:53.25 | JeffM | servers that we have flaged as "cool" |
| 21:53.52 | Erroneous | not that it wouldn't be cool, but I don't think it would work (socially) |
| 21:53.53 | JeffM | only if I had my drutehrs ;) |
| 21:53.56 | JeffM | it may not |
| 21:54.14 | JeffM | but showing the top 10 by population and activity could work too or something |
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| 21:54.35 | F687s | define activity (as opposed to population) |
| 21:54.36 | JeffM | there are lots of good ideas we could do for a default tab |
| 21:55.08 | JeffM | F687s, if we start to do push stats we can do checks for the amount of score/data change, etc.. |
| 21:55.20 | Erroneous | hey, now THAT's a good idea |
| 21:55.55 | JeffM | push stats let us do lots of fun things :) |
| 21:55.56 | F687s | JeffM: but that could be easily manipulated (griefers, for instance). |
| 21:56.04 | JeffM | so could anything :) |
| 21:56.09 | F687s | also, would there be a "Classic" interface? |
| 21:56.10 | JeffM | I'd also like to have a "new" tab |
| 21:56.10 | Erroneous | so can player count |
| 21:56.26 | JeffM | F687s, define a search that is just sorted on player count :) |
| 21:56.31 | Erroneous | why bother with a legacy interface? |
| 21:56.48 | Erroneous | it kinda sucks, honestly...I can't imagine we'd come up with anything worse |
| 21:56.57 | brlcad | hehe |
| 21:57.04 | brlcad | famous last words? |
| 21:57.09 | Erroneous | hah, true |
| 21:57.10 | F687s | for those people who like to sort based on how many people are there. |
| 21:57.12 | JeffM | if we allow users to define the default tab, and there own searches, you could define your default tab to be a flat search |
| 21:57.19 | brlcad | how could it possibly be any worse?! |
| 21:57.20 | JeffM | and it'd be the same data presented in a similar manner |
| 21:57.57 | Erroneous | yeah, that's one reason I was suggesting the default front tab should be a "populated servers" or something |
| 21:58.19 | Erroneous | it's easy for people to jump in to a game that way too |
| 21:58.26 | Winny | yeah |
| 21:58.27 | brlcad | expose users (forcibly) to the beauty of regular expressions, all queries must be properly structured posix regular expressions |
| 21:58.33 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 21:58.34 | JeffM | yeah for a first time thing etehr population or some sort of activtity thing |
| 21:58.46 | Winny | most new players just want to jump in.. FFA CTF RH, etc will confuse them I bet |
| 21:58.52 | JeffM | then if they want a difrent default they set it in the config. |
| 21:59.06 | JeffM | Winny, not really, most other games sort by game type off the bat |
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| 21:59.17 | brlcad | yeah, me too.. should be pretty trivial |
| 21:59.38 | Winny | hm |
| 22:00.02 | JeffM | tho to a new user our game type names are confusing |
| 22:00.06 | JeffM | but that's another issue |
| 22:00.10 | JeffM | free for all, isn't |
| 22:00.25 | JeffM | it's team deathmatch with them rogues maybe thrown in |
| 22:00.49 | JeffM | free for some |
| 22:00.50 | JeffM | :) |
| 22:00.53 | AHA | lol |
| 22:01.14 | Erroneous | ...and for existing players, renaming it would be confusing :) |
| 22:01.15 | JeffM | free for some, mostly free but slightly limted for the rest |
| 22:01.23 | JeffM | I agree to that statement as well |
| 22:01.30 | Erroneous | it's a tough spot really |
| 22:01.31 | F687s | free as in beer? |
| 22:01.35 | JeffM | so our only other option is to make the game help more |
| 22:01.39 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 22:01.49 | JeffM | dialog boxes :) |
| 22:01.57 | Erroneous | if we had a tab per game style, we could have a short description of the style at the top of the list for the style |
| 22:02.05 | Erroneous | yeah, server dialogs |
| 22:02.05 | AHA | JeffM: maybe on join message the user the "rules" of that game type? |
| 22:02.07 | JeffM | yes that's what I was thinking |
| 22:02.09 | Winny | Dialog boxes that can be defined by server variables would be cool |
| 22:02.11 | AHA | and add an option to turn that off |
| 22:02.15 | JeffM | AHA, thats what I mean by dialog boxes |
| 22:02.23 | JeffM | we'd track if you've played a game type or not |
| 22:02.28 | Erroneous | but you have to fix the dang server first :) |
| 22:02.33 | JeffM | if you haven't show the rules on first run |
| 22:02.53 | Erroneous | 'cause I have to be able to test my protocol changes |
| 22:02.58 | JeffM | ahh |
| 22:02.58 | Winny | like, you could set -displayTK or something, so if a user gets <x# Tks>, a dialog box shows up warning them not to do it again, and explains what a TK is, etc.. |
| 22:03.13 | JeffM | Winny, the idea is plug-ins could fire off dialgos |
| 22:03.18 | JeffM | for lots of reasons |
| 22:03.26 | JeffM | rule violations, tutorials, etc.. |
| 22:03.29 | Winny | but a default server variable for a few would be nice.. |
| 22:03.33 | Erroneous | default server would pull up one dialog on entry |
| 22:03.39 | JeffM | or a defualt plug-in ;) |
| 22:03.43 | Erroneous | with the game mode rules and sever message |
| 22:03.53 | Erroneous | err, server |
| 22:04.09 | Winny | why not build the option right into the server/client? you don't need a plugin for -srvmsg. |
| 22:04.20 | Erroneous | Winny: did you read my last few messages? |
| 22:04.25 | JeffM | server message would do a dialog |
| 22:04.31 | JeffM | but TKs is a logic based thing |
| 22:04.39 | JeffM | I'm more of the modularity school |
| 22:04.45 | F687s | wouldn't the dialog idea be just an extended version of a "n00b tutorial" map? |
| 22:04.48 | JeffM | externalise as much logic as possible |
| 22:04.57 | JeffM | F687s, that's the idea |
| 22:05.08 | Erroneous | Winny: ahh, my bad, I think I misread yours |
| 22:05.10 | JeffM | with dialogs and server side players you could do a full tutorial |
| 22:05.10 | F687s | did those ever work out well? |
| 22:05.17 | Winny | oh |
| 22:05.23 | JeffM | did what ever work out? |
| 22:05.28 | F687s | n00b maps. |
| 22:05.36 | Winny | you mean bloodbath? |
| 22:05.38 | JeffM | we don't have any as far as I know |
| 22:06.15 | Erroneous | a tutorial would work fine. the idea would be to spawn a local server for it |
| 22:06.32 | Erroneous | not dump all the newbies into a single server |
| 22:06.54 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:06.58 | JeffM | and use a smart server to tain them, then dump them into a live map when when they are done |
| 22:07.02 | F687s | maybe add a room with a couple of BZRobots for target practice? |
| 22:07.13 | JeffM | that's what server side players are for |
| 22:07.16 | Erroneous | F687s: SSPs can handle that |
| 22:07.34 | JeffM | you'd write the entire tutoral system in a plug-in |
| 22:07.40 | Erroneous | targets don't have to be terribly smart ;) |
| 22:07.43 | JeffM | it'd generate the maps, spawns, bots etc.. |
| 22:07.55 | JeffM | and send out the dialogs |
| 22:27.22 | L4m3r | will BZFlag accept any resolution I give it, assuming the video card can do it? |
| 22:27.48 | JeffM | sure |
| 22:27.52 | JeffM | down to a min |
| 22:28.11 | JeffM | 320x 200 or something like that |
| 22:29.58 | Winny | sheesh, why even bother at that rez ;) |
| 22:30.05 | JeffM | PDA |
| 22:30.07 | Erroneous | didn't we take the min limitations out? |
| 22:30.18 | Erroneous | doesn't mean you can play it at that res |
| 22:30.20 | JeffM | I may have incraseed them to 640 |
| 22:30.26 | Winny | has anyone ever run BZFlag on a PDA? |
| 22:30.40 | JeffM | tim and scanline |
| 22:30.44 | JeffM | zarus |
| 22:31.57 | Winny | dancy |
| 22:31.59 | Winny | err, fancy |
| 22:32.29 | L4m3r | actually I'm thinking about running the client on a spread screen |
| 22:32.31 | L4m3r | with two monitors |
| 22:32.52 | L4m3r | so it'd be larger, and an odd shape :P |
| 22:33.05 | JeffM | you'll probalby have to do it with -window but yeah you can |
| 22:33.15 | JeffM | it has to be a rectangle |
| 22:33.20 | L4m3r | it will be |
| 22:33.26 | L4m3r | it'll just be really tall |
| 22:33.34 | L4m3r | assuming my video card can do it |
| 22:33.40 | Winny | how come BZflag cuts off the top of a 4:3 image and plops it onto 16:9, insted of adding extra on the edges? |
| 22:33.44 | JeffM | I turned my 24 on it's side onece and ran it that way |
| 22:34.09 | JeffM | Winny, cus your FOV is horizontal and the top/bottom just stop whereever they end up |
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| 22:34.25 | JeffM | increase your FOV and it'll look better |
| 22:34.41 | Winny | conf, or is that a source mod? |
| 22:34.51 | JeffM | IIRC it's a variable |
| 22:35.07 | JeffM | I think it defaults to 45 deg |
| 22:35.15 | JeffM | you'd want to incrase it to like 60 for a widescreen |
| 22:35.31 | L4m3r | iirc there's a conf option |
| 22:35.37 | L4m3r | would it warp the picture at all? |
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| 22:35.47 | JeffM | it changes the FOV |
| 22:35.53 | JeffM | and the perspective matrix |
| 22:38.38 | Winny | what does this line do? "set startcode" |
| 22:40.13 | JeffM | in what context? |
| 22:40.36 | Winny | in my conf it's "set startcode bfaaaaabaaaaa", just curious as to what it does |
| 22:41.59 | JeffM | looks to be the stored settings for the start server menu |
| 22:42.29 | Winny | ah |
| 22:42.48 | Winny | hmm, can't seem to find a conf option for FOV |
| 22:43.06 | JeffM | displayFOV |
| 22:44.18 | JeffM | it defaults to 60 |
| 22:44.43 | JeffM | hmm I may be wrong in my info |
| 22:44.45 | JeffM | one sec |
| 22:44.51 | JeffM | it may be veritcal FOV |
| 22:44.58 | JeffM | and in that case you may want to make it smaller |
| 22:45.34 | JeffM | nope it's fovX |
| 22:45.38 | JeffM | so make it bigger |
| 22:45.40 | JeffM | like try 90 |
| 22:46.57 | ryanakca | hey, can someone look at the group requests whenever they get a chance, please? :) |
| 22:47.09 | Winny | "set fovX", or "set fov <x degrees>"? |
| 22:47.30 | JeffM | set displayFOV 90 |
| 22:48.16 | Winny | hmm, it works, and as soon as I spawn it's set back to 60 |
| 22:49.43 | Winny | does the server check if you have wideangle, and if not it tells your client to reset the FOV? |
| 22:49.55 | JeffM | the client does |
| 22:49.56 | Erroneous | no, it's all client side' |
| 22:50.06 | JeffM | I just bet goes back to a hardcode |
| 22:50.07 | Erroneous | we probably reset on respawn though |
| 22:52.34 | JeffM | yeah there is some hardcoding |
| 22:52.35 | L4m3r | ugh, my laptop doesn't seem to want to span my displays |
| 22:52.38 | JeffM | 2.0.x? |
| 22:53.44 | Winny | brb.. |
| 22:56.33 | Erroneous | forcing an fov reset is not necessarily bad |
| 22:56.54 | Erroneous | but we should do an fov calculation on the aspect ratio and set it correctly at least |
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| 22:57.28 | L4m3r | perhaps we should put it in the display configuration |
| 22:57.28 | JeffM | I've changed it to read the default from another var |
| 22:57.38 | JeffM | we can compute that instead of just defaulting it to 60 |
| 22:57.39 | L4m3r | with a slider |
| 22:59.27 | JeffM | you can do ether or both of those things with my change :) |
| 23:00.02 | JeffM | I have to commit it first |
| 23:00.03 | JeffM | ;) |
| 23:00.09 | JeffM | well branch is in |
| 23:00.17 | JeffM | updateing trunk before I commit |
| 23:00.20 | L4m3r | :P |
| 23:00.45 | JeffM | not that trunk matters |
| 23:00.51 | brlcad | time to reset that puppy |
| 23:00.55 | L4m3r | heh |
| 23:00.57 | L4m3r | poor CIA |
| 23:00.58 | brlcad | get off that lemon |
| 23:01.15 | JeffM | is it an overclocked lemon |
| 23:01.46 | brlcad | cia.vc is overclocked? |
| 23:01.50 | L4m3r | ow, my eye! |
| 23:01.52 | JeffM | Winny, change your config touse defaultFOV |
| 23:02.04 | JeffM | brlcad, joke from a webcomic |
| 23:02.21 | L4m3r | er, punches* |
| 23:02.25 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 23:02.28 | brlcad | ah, penny? |
| 23:02.31 | JeffM | http://www.goats.com/archive/040728.html |
| 23:02.57 | L4m3r | why did I buy a gloss black keyboard? |
| 23:03.42 | L4m3r | arg! |
| 23:03.44 | brlcad | and I'm quite the thief today apparently |
| 23:03.56 | L4m3r | I had enough of that over my winter break- sister kept taking my car |
| 23:04.43 | L4m3r | "Ahh, I left the headlights on and the battery is dead! I'm late for swim practice!" |
| 23:04.50 | brlcad | sticky tape on the steering wheel would have been fun |
| 23:04.57 | L4m3r | "Ugh, take my car and I'll jump yours" |
| 23:05.11 | L4m3r | so then I have to drive her beater all day while she empties my gas tank |
| 23:06.01 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (n=vircuser@c-98-197-19-35.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 23:06.18 | L4m3r | damn those old Volkswagens and their electrical problems... |
| 23:07.09 | JeffM | there is a word you can use to fix that |
| 23:07.51 | spldart | was? |
| 23:08.07 | JeffM | no |
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| 23:08.34 | spldart | nein |
| 23:08.49 | spldart | welches Wort? |
| 23:08.53 | spldart | :) |
| 23:09.31 | L4m3r | JeffM: yeah, it's tough to say no when I'm half-asleep |
| 23:09.44 | L4m3r | but I'm back at school now, so she's my parents' problem :D |
| 23:11.33 | Winny | JeffM: ok |
| 23:11.49 | JeffM | Winny, that is afer you reuibld using current svn code ;) |
| 23:11.54 | Winny | oh :E |
| 23:12.37 | L4m3r | D'oh! :P |
| 23:13.30 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:14.03 | JeffM | I can build you just an exe |
| 23:14.13 | Winny | 3.0 or 2.x? |
| 23:14.17 | JeffM | 2 |
| 23:14.31 | Winny | that would be awesome :o |
| 23:15.12 | JeffM | email? |
| 23:15.36 | Winny | k.winxp@gmail.com |
| 23:16.09 | JeffM | sent |
| 23:16.30 | Winny | I take it you're using your work build node? that was fast :p |
| 23:16.36 | TheRedBaron | L4m3r: she "should" be able to push start a volkswagen... provided its a manual |
| 23:16.41 | JeffM | that and I didn't have to do a full build |
| 23:17.03 | L4m3r | TheRedBaron: I'd not trust her to do so, and it's really not hard to jump |
| 23:17.04 | Winny | ah |
| 23:17.12 | L4m3r | we keep cables in the trunk of that car for a reason |
| 23:17.18 | [dmp] | TheRedBaron: she "should" learn to use a car :-) |
| 23:17.36 | TheRedBaron | I drive an old volkswagen, i've pushed started it many times :) |
| 23:17.37 | L4m3r | the problem is that with that tiny motor, it takes a lot of driving to charge it enough to start again |
| 23:17.46 | TheRedBaron | park on a hill :) |
| 23:18.04 | a_temp_work | going the correct direction |
| 23:18.14 | TheRedBaron | L4m3r: not really, just keep the rpms on the high side |
| 23:18.20 | L4m3r | TheRedBaron: this is a '93 fox, I think, so we "shouldn't" kick-start it anyway :P |
| 23:18.27 | TheRedBaron | ah |
| 23:18.44 | TheRedBaron | no experience with those - I'm on a 1970 beetle |
| 23:18.57 | L4m3r | I drove it for 20 minutes or so in 4th gear on an open road, and it still didn't charge enough to start |
| 23:19.22 | L4m3r | fortunately, my dad keeps a spare battery in his garage to swap in when my sister kills it :P |
| 23:20.42 | L4m3r | unfortunately my dad seems to have moved on from his air-cooled VWs in favor of newer ones :P |
| 23:21.02 | TheRedBaron | blasphemy! |
| 23:21.29 | L4m3r | right now his favorite car seems to be his Vanagon Synchro |
| 23:22.10 | L4m3r | he hopes to do a TDI conversion... should be interesting |
| 23:22.24 | Winny | JeffM: are you sure you send it to the right address? |
| 23:22.36 | spldart | ooOOoo.. you built a recent .exe jeff? |
| 23:22.46 | L4m3r | Winny: he probably sent it to k.winxp@gmail.com |
| 23:22.56 | Erroneous | fun car |
| 23:23.03 | JeffM | I copied and pasted |
| 23:23.07 | L4m3r | not really the same Synchro though |
| 23:23.11 | Erroneous | not at all |
| 23:23.13 | Winny | hm, gmail's servers must be slow |
| 23:23.23 | Erroneous | fun nonetheless :) |
| 23:23.27 | AHA | i dont think you can send .exe's over gmail |
| 23:23.28 | JeffM | it's only a 642k attachment |
| 23:23.34 | JeffM | it's ziped |
| 23:23.35 | L4m3r | probably a better p/w ratio than the van, though, lol |
| 23:23.38 | spldart | Would you mind emailing it a second time |
| 23:23.43 | spldart | bz 2. right? |
| 23:23.44 | Erroneous | heh. it's heavier than you might think |
| 23:23.55 | L4m3r | yeah, but the van has like 90hp |
| 23:23.57 | Winny | hmm, weird |
| 23:24.02 | Erroneous | yeah, I think I had 112 |
| 23:24.17 | L4m3r | which is why dad wants a TDI :P |
| 23:24.23 | Erroneous | makes sense :) |
| 23:24.34 | Erroneous | there were some people looking into TDI conversions for the QSWs too |
| 23:25.07 | L4m3r | apparently a certain Subaru motor fits pretty well, too, but he doesn't want to pay retail for a subaru motor when he works at a VW dealer :P |
| 23:25.38 | AHA | ~seen tannerld |
| 23:25.40 | ibot | tannerld <n=tanner@adsl-068-209-251-067.sip.asm.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5d 1h 44m 35s ago, saying: 'Winny: bleh, our school still runs XP and don't let us use anything :P'. |
| 23:25.53 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/code/branch_client_bin/ |
| 23:26.46 | Winny | JeffM: thanks |
| 23:27.09 | JeffM | it's just bzflag.exe |
| 23:27.14 | JeffM | it got regected |
| 23:27.18 | JeffM | I just got the message |
| 23:27.19 | spldart | danke |
| 23:27.22 | JeffM | illegal attchement |
| 23:27.26 | spldart | oh |
| 23:27.34 | L4m3r | *sigh* he finally got the Porsche-powered Bus Crew Cab running, and blew up the tranny >_< |
| 23:27.35 | spldart | OH!.. nm |
| 23:27.36 | Winny | ah |
| 23:27.44 | Erroneous | hah |
| 23:27.47 | L4m3r | JeffM: you could probably just DCC it to him |
| 23:27.57 | spldart | You talking air cooled boxer motors straight from germany? |
| 23:28.05 | TheRedBaron | L4m3r: volkswagen trannies are not that bullet proof :) |
| 23:28.20 | L4m3r | TheRedBaron: neither are Porsche trannies, apparently |
| 23:28.38 | L4m3r | spldart: this particular one was taken from a wrecked Porsche |
| 23:28.56 | L4m3r | 2.2L boxer-6, iirc |
| 23:28.59 | spldart | I've turned a little wrench on old 911's |
| 23:29.13 | TheRedBaron | i would love to put a type 4 in my beetle |
| 23:29.17 | spldart | like... almost 40 years ago old |
| 23:29.26 | L4m3r | sits really low in the bus engine box |
| 23:29.53 | spldart | Balancing the carbs can be a hastle |
| 23:30.12 | JeffM | L4m3r, I was just trying to be too lazy to set up the scp client again :) |
| 23:30.19 | L4m3r | TheRedBaron: if you find a decent bettle body anywhere, let me know |
| 23:30.30 | L4m3r | we could use one :P |
| 23:30.51 | L4m3r | beetle* wow I can't type |
| 23:31.34 | spldart | Saw an immaculate one heading down the road downtown.. |
| 23:31.46 | spldart | But the condition of it told me the owner was for life :-0 |
| 23:31.51 | L4m3r | my dad is about ready to drop a dune buggy body on the one we have, because the body isn't straight |
| 23:32.14 | L4m3r | he's still pretty sore that my mother sold the perfect body he had in her garage |
| 23:32.26 | L4m3r | convertible with shaved doors and everything :( |
| 23:32.40 | spldart | must.. hold.. tongue... :-x hehe |
| 23:33.13 | L4m3r | my uncle built most of the one we have now... my dad estimates it has about 180hp >_> |
| 23:33.35 | L4m3r | so a fiberglass buggy body would at least be nice and light... |
| 23:38.51 | Winny | oh my god |
| 23:38.55 | Winny | speak of the FOV devil |
| 23:38.56 | Winny | http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/01/ces-2008-alienw.html |
| 23:39.23 | Winny | now that is nice... |
| 23:42.00 | L4m3r | resolution isn't great, though |
| 23:42.25 | L4m3r | go-l had those nice three and four-panel displays |
| 23:48.48 | L4m3r | how do you change the window size? |
| 23:49.26 | Winny | in OS X you can click and drag.. no idea about other OSes |
| 23:53.03 | ryanakca | Hmm... can someone help me test something on the forums? Clicking on a user's name on their post leads me to a) A page not found when javascript is disabled, or b) to my post. *fires up istanbul to record it* |
| 23:53.25 | ryanakca | well, either my post or bottom of page, both are at the same place. |
| 23:54.31 | ryanakca | or no. Aha, clicking on someone's name makes it appear as [b]name[/b] in the Quick edit box at the bottom of page... and I'm guessing this is the desired behaviour. Nevermind :) |
| 23:54.32 | JeffM | what name is it? |
| 23:54.45 | JeffM | yes that is what it's suposed to do |
| 23:55.01 | JeffM | if you want to see the profile for the person you hit the profile button |
| 23:55.07 | JeffM | what did you expect it to do? |
| 23:55.34 | ryanakca | lol, it to go to the profile page, luser error on my behalf :) |
| 23:56.04 | Winny | ~pebkac |
| 23:56.05 | ibot | Sounds like the Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair |
| 23:56.06 | Winny | ;) |
| 23:56.12 | ryanakca | :) |
| 23:56.26 | ryanakca | ID ten T error too... |
| 23:56.31 | ryanakca | (ID10T) :) |
| 23:57.15 | ryanakca | You can probably get one custom printed for ~30$... we have a shop that does that in town... |