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| 01:11.38 | SpazzyMcGee | I've been playing with some photoshop. What do people think of this? http://cbg.bzflag.org/images/SpazzyMcGee/red-base.jpg |
| 01:12.01 | a_meteorite | ick |
| 01:12.07 | whodaman- | Nice, actually. |
| 01:12.19 | whodaman- | I think a combination of yours and Winny would look superb. |
| 01:12.37 | a_meteorite | I like the scroungy look more |
| 01:12.43 | whodaman- | His is a little more spray-paint style, which is also nice. |
| 01:12.59 | whodaman- | SpazzyMcGee, :) |
| 01:13.07 | SpazzyMcGee | I diddn't really like winny's splattery look, so I went for a more metallic thing. |
| 01:13.36 | a_meteorite | metallic doesn't really fit in to the bz environment |
| 01:13.45 | a_meteorite | looks ... out of place |
| 01:13.53 | whodaman- | splattery isn't really _that_ fitting |
| 01:14.02 | whodaman- | I think a little of both would look nice |
| 01:16.42 | Winny | too shiny, IMO |
| 01:16.56 | a_meteorite | agreed |
| 01:17.51 | Winny | and the bases aren't 3D... no point in adding a drop shadow |
| 01:17.59 | SpazzyMcGee | hmm, yeah it is a bit shiny. brightness and contrast of the background need dumbing down. |
| 01:18.15 | Winny | the whole reason I went for the spray look, is because it looks good and still lets it have some depth |
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| 01:20.21 | pacman87 | i like SpazzyMcGee's |
| 01:20.30 | SpazzyMcGee | winny, yours would look better without the caution area in the middle that looks slightly odd. |
| 01:20.31 | pacman87 | but it could be a little duller |
| 01:21.32 | Winny | The caution area is the team logo for 3.0 |
| 01:21.38 | Winny | (deck of cards) |
| 01:21.53 | SpazzyMcGee | ooo... |
| 01:21.59 | SpazzyMcGee | who's who? |
| 01:22.20 | Winny | lemme check... |
| 01:22.56 | pacman87 | you might try an aluminum treadplate-type texture for the coloring |
| 01:22.58 | pacman87 | like http://www.trillionalum.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/DiamondPlate-Silver.268132118_std.gif |
| 01:23.07 | Winny | ick |
| 01:23.16 | Winny | SpazzyMcGee: the way I was going to do it is: |
| 01:23.18 | pacman87 | that type of texture |
| 01:23.20 | Winny | green = diamond |
| 01:23.26 | Winny | blue = spade |
| 01:23.33 | Winny | red = club |
| 01:23.38 | Winny | purp = heart |
| 01:24.18 | pacman87 | are you working that theme into each base? |
| 01:24.38 | pacman87 | or using the same format with different colors? |
| 01:24.44 | SpazzyMcGee | wouldn't you have red and purple as a red suits? |
| 01:24.49 | SpazzyMcGee | Diamond and hearts? |
| 01:25.12 | Winny | does it really matter? |
| 01:25.14 | Winny | no. |
| 01:25.39 | SpazzyMcGee | I'm only thinking in the intrest of logic. |
| 01:25.48 | Winny | 99% of players won't even notice |
| 01:25.54 | SpazzyMcGee | true |
| 01:25.55 | pacman87 | i would think hearts would be red |
| 01:26.27 | pacman87 | but purple would probably go better with hearts than with diamonds |
| 01:26.55 | SpazzyMcGee | I would swap red and green in winny's scheme. |
| 01:27.13 | Winny | heh |
| 01:27.17 | pacman87 | yeah |
| 01:27.42 | Winny | does it really matter? |
| 01:28.09 | whodaman- | no. :P |
| 01:28.53 | SpazzyMcGee | Although you could argue that it should go in order of suit importance: Red, Spade; Green, Club; Blue, Diamond; Purple, Heart. |
| 01:29.53 | Winny | who says it needs to be in the same order even? |
| 01:30.35 | pacman87 | why card suits? why not tomatoes and frogs? |
| 01:30.46 | pacman87 | ;-) |
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| 02:12.13 | Winny | ~seen brlcad |
| 02:12.14 | ibot | brlcad is currently on #bzflag #brlcad, last said: 'close enough'. |
| 02:12.26 | Winny | but when did he say it :/ |
| 02:12.35 | whodaman- | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.36 | whodaman- | err |
| 02:12.45 | tannerld | lol |
| 02:12.51 | whodaman- | ok |
| 02:12.54 | whodaman- | [03:12] * [brlcad] idle 176:59:09, signon: Thu Nov 8 05:22:27 |
| 02:12.55 | tannerld | Winny: the world may never know |
| 02:13.03 | whodaman- | tannerld, yes! |
| 02:14.14 | Winny | brlcad: when-you-get-back-pingy |
| 02:15.01 | tannerld | ~seen tedius |
| 02:15.02 | ibot | tedius <n=Tedius@72.25.60.117> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5d 9h 46m 45s ago, saying: 'any mofo admins around?'. |
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| 02:27.08 | Macrosoft | SpazzyMcGee: nice base texture |
| 02:27.30 | SpazzyMcGee | It's too shiny. |
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| 03:00.15 | Macrosoft | neat-o http://www.komar.org/cgi-bin/christmas_webcam |
| 03:01.29 | AHA | Macrosoft: wow... he lives in my town |
| 03:01.40 | AHA | oh |
| 03:01.44 | AHA | nvm :P |
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| 06:28.00 | Winny | ~delusional_++ |
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| 06:36.29 | Lakshmi | what are some tips for new players? |
| 06:36.44 | whodaman- | Check the forums for discussions on that subject. |
| 06:36.49 | Winny | observe people and watch what they do |
| 06:36.51 | whodaman- | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewforum.php?f=61 |
| 06:36.56 | Lakshmi | they do it so easily |
| 06:37.01 | Winny | there are many little tricks |
| 06:37.02 | Lakshmi | i keep killing myself |
| 06:37.05 | Lakshmi | or a teamate |
| 06:37.06 | whodaman- | :) |
| 06:37.12 | whodaman- | You'll learn quickly. |
| 06:37.15 | Winny | comes with practice |
| 06:37.23 | whodaman- | The more you play, better you get. |
| 06:37.25 | Winny | Ive been going for 2 years and I still sucks |
| 06:37.35 | whodaman- | Yeah |
| 06:37.38 | whodaman- | so true |
| 06:39.02 | Winny | Lakshmi: but yeah, I'd just watch what people do (join as observer, etc..) |
| 06:39.18 | Lakshmi | okay |
| 06:39.22 | Lakshmi | thanks |
| 06:39.24 | Lakshmi | i'll try |
| 06:39.35 | whodaman- | Keep at it. |
| 06:39.38 | Winny | don't play on missile war either |
| 06:39.43 | whodaman- | Yeah |
| 06:39.51 | Winny | play on something like HiX, you'll learn the basics there |
| 06:40.00 | whodaman- | or even pillbox |
| 06:40.13 | whodaman- | I found was really fun for the beginning |
| 06:40.14 | Winny | yeah |
| 06:40.16 | whodaman- | you can learn to dodge there |
| 06:40.25 | whodaman- | and move around in general |
| 06:40.54 | whodaman- | after that, I'd definitely try HiX |
| 06:41.05 | whodaman- | Learn riocchet and jumping |
| 06:41.45 | Winny | and dodging! |
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| 06:51.21 | hwilde | why is whammo such a sore loser |
| 06:52.07 | hwilde | don't u have to have justification to ban someone for cheating |
| 06:52.27 | a_meteorite | no |
| 06:52.33 | a_meteorite | playing on servers is a privilege, not a right |
| 06:52.51 | a_meteorite | they can ban you for whatever they like, or for no reason, but if they do that the server won't stay popular very long :) |
| 06:53.42 | hwilde | he says i am cheating because my gms turn too fast |
| 06:53.56 | hwilde | like he has some magical measuring eye that can sense the rotational velocity of all gms |
| 06:54.04 | hwilde | he is just a sore loser if you ask me |
| 06:54.13 | hwilde | otherwise badgerking would have banned me himself long ago |
| 06:54.21 | JeffM | he probably has a tool |
| 06:54.27 | JeffM | but dosn't realise it can be affected by lag |
| 06:54.32 | JeffM | is he the owner of that server? |
| 06:54.41 | hwilde | no! badgerking is and he does not care |
| 06:54.48 | hwilde | but whammo wines like a baby because I shoot him in the face |
| 06:54.50 | JeffM | then go elsewhere |
| 06:54.56 | JeffM | complainting about it will not change anything |
| 06:55.03 | JeffM | we don't rule how servers are run |
| 06:55.09 | Winny | yeah, Ive told him 90000 times its nothing |
| 06:55.11 | hwilde | so you can measure my gm rotational velocity |
| 06:55.21 | Winny | hwilde: did he ban you again? |
| 06:55.22 | JeffM | a client can measure anything |
| 06:55.23 | hwilde | tell me why it is higher than normal |
| 06:55.27 | JeffM | lag |
| 06:55.39 | hwilde | I have energy saver on and fpslimit like met and Winny told me to do |
| 06:55.46 | JeffM | that adds lag |
| 06:55.51 | Winny | limit it to a same number |
| 06:55.51 | JeffM | it's a bad stat to base "cheating" on |
| 06:55.54 | Winny | like 90 |
| 06:56.00 | hwilde | I did 60 |
| 06:56.04 | hwilde | and 120 |
| 06:56.12 | JeffM | he's just a bad admin, go elsewhere, that's all you can do |
| 06:56.15 | hwilde | but what do I know I cannot see this phantom cheat that he yels about |
| 06:56.17 | hwilde | where is bk |
| 06:56.25 | Winny | he's really really AFK |
| 06:56.29 | JeffM | send him a PM on bzbb |
| 06:56.35 | hwilde | measure my gms and tell me if they are really out of normal |
| 06:56.38 | JeffM | bans are private issues between you and the serve rowner |
| 06:56.40 | Winny | hwilde: he just doesn't like you for some reason |
| 06:56.40 | JeffM | owner |
| 06:56.43 | hwilde | maybe they are I dunno it is straight src |
| 06:56.48 | Winny | I see nothing wrong with your client. |
| 06:56.51 | JeffM | it's lag |
| 06:56.54 | JeffM | deal with it |
| 06:56.59 | hwilde | he doesn't like me bc he is a sore loser because I can shoot him |
| 06:57.08 | hwilde | he only likes it with no competition so he can pound on the noobs |
| 06:57.09 | JeffM | dude, enough with the sore looser stuff |
| 06:57.10 | JeffM | now |
| 06:57.19 | hwilde | JeffM it is not right to call people cheaters |
| 06:57.27 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 06:57.40 | hwilde | how would you like it.... |
| 06:57.43 | JeffM2501 | hwilde, that may be, but it's a PRIVATE issue |
| 06:57.49 | JeffM2501 | I get called a names all the time |
| 06:57.51 | a_meteorite | the bzflag project does not handle server issues |
| 06:57.52 | JeffM2501 | you get over it |
| 06:57.54 | JeffM2501 | it's ONE server |
| 06:58.01 | JeffM2501 | and yes, we don't have ANYTHING to do with servers |
| 06:58.04 | JeffM2501 | or how they are run |
| 06:58.16 | hwilde | right but you can tell me if my fps really makes the gms cheat-like ? |
| 06:58.19 | JeffM2501 | you don't complain to the firefox people when a website blocks you, do you? |
| 06:58.25 | JeffM2501 | hwilde, IT IS YOUR LAG |
| 06:58.27 | a_meteorite | contact badgerking, I'm sure he will hear you out. that's all we can really do... point you in the direction you need to go. |
| 06:58.31 | JeffM2501 | there is nothing wrong |
| 06:58.33 | JeffM2501 | there is nothing you can do |
| 06:58.43 | JeffM2501 | the admin just is overly senstive and dosn't like you |
| 06:58.49 | JeffM2501 | there is NOTHING you can do except talk to the owner |
| 06:58.57 | JeffM2501 | if the owner dosnt' care, then GO ELSEWHERE. |
| 06:58.59 | JeffM2501 | that is it |
| 06:59.03 | JeffM2501 | end of story |
| 06:59.04 | hwilde | easy there buddy |
| 06:59.17 | JeffM2501 | this is not a fourm for you to bag on people |
| 06:59.21 | JeffM2501 | no mater how wrong they may be |
| 06:59.26 | JeffM2501 | for that get a blog ;) |
| 06:59.44 | hwilde | I just want to know how to fix it |
| 06:59.49 | JeffM2501 | you can't |
| 06:59.49 | hwilde | the fpslimit definitely fixes the burrow issue |
| 06:59.53 | Think_Differentl | hwilde: you don't |
| 06:59.54 | hwilde | Winny saw it himself |
| 06:59.57 | JeffM2501 | that is a difren thing |
| 07:00.07 | JeffM2501 | FPS is not the root of all bugs |
| 07:00.24 | JeffM2501 | there will always be some variation in message timing when using the internet |
| 07:00.26 | JeffM2501 | that is lag |
| 07:00.43 | JeffM2501 | high fps screws up the collison code, that's what screwed up your burrow |
| 07:01.07 | JeffM2501 | high fps does not change the fact that GM updates can have lag, and will show jitter on a loging client |
| 07:01.14 | JeffM2501 | tis the nature of the internet |
| 07:01.32 | JeffM2501 | the person looking at a loging client has to know that lag ( both your's and his ) affects the stuff that client logs |
| 07:01.37 | JeffM2501 | that is why it is a poor tool |
| 07:01.45 | JeffM2501 | but many badly trained admins trust it |
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| 07:01.59 | JeffM2501 | and don't understand how the underlying networking works |
| 07:02.25 | JeffM2501 | send the owner a PM |
| 07:02.31 | JeffM2501 | and just play elsewhere |
| 07:02.40 | JeffM2501 | there are many other servers ;) |
| 07:10.18 | Winny | Epyon! |
| 07:10.21 | Winny | :D |
| 07:16.34 | whodaman- | Cheater |
| 07:16.43 | whodaman- | on bzf:5155 |
| 07:16.43 | whodaman- | god |
| 07:18.13 | Think_Differentl | bzfmaps? |
| 07:24.12 | hwilde | i got gm if u want to observer my awesome cheat client :) |
| 07:25.00 | Winny | hehe |
| 07:28.20 | JeffM2501 | dude, did anyone here say they didn't belive you? |
| 07:30.36 | Constitution | ~delusional_++ |
| 07:39.01 | hwilde | Jeff what kind of energy drink are you on at 2am i want some |
| 07:40.17 | ruskie | lol |
| 07:40.28 | DTRemenak | not everyone is in the same time zone as you |
| 07:42.01 | hwilde | not everyone is nocturnal either |
| 07:53.11 | JeffM2501 | it is not 2AM here |
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| 16:36.50 | nn-main | hi |
| 16:37.06 | Winny | hi |
| 16:38.14 | nn-main | is there a way with pre existing bzflag code to make a bzadmin client more intresting ie ..... at the top a real time stream of xyz tank and shot position list at the bottem a chat ? |
| 16:38.25 | JeffM | nope |
| 16:38.46 | nn-main | why not? |
| 16:38.55 | Winny | because it was never added? |
| 16:39.11 | JeffM | because just because you want the code to do something doesn't mean it magicaly will do it |
| 16:39.21 | JeffM | it is not writen to do that |
| 16:39.22 | nn-main | well what exactly is bzamin recieveing then ? |
| 16:39.22 | Winny | BZAdmin is designed to to monitor the chat and actions (IE: teamkills), not to be another BZ client |
| 16:39.33 | JeffM | it ignores player updates |
| 16:39.43 | JeffM | you could change it to not ignore them |
| 16:39.48 | JeffM | and then do whatever you want with it |
| 16:39.51 | nn-main | .... im thinking it would be worth a try to write |
| 16:39.56 | JeffM | but you asked if the existing code would do it, it will not |
| 16:40.23 | Winny | nn-main: patches welcome |
| 16:40.24 | JeffM | you'll have to add interpolation code too |
| 16:40.37 | JeffM | since the client dosn't get updates in a stream |
| 16:40.54 | nn-main | yes , but what exactly does the pre existing code do .... or is able to do in bzadmin |
| 16:41.01 | JeffM | it does what it does now |
| 16:41.03 | JeffM | tha'ts it |
| 16:41.09 | JeffM | what you see is what it does |
| 16:41.22 | nn-main | ? |
| 16:41.33 | JeffM | do you know what "code" is? |
| 16:41.46 | nn-main | bzadmin seem to recieve more information than it displays |
| 16:41.51 | JeffM | sure |
| 16:41.58 | JeffM | it gets all the messages that a client gets |
| 16:42.04 | JeffM | it ignores most of them |
| 16:42.07 | Winny | but you'd still to WRITE code to display it |
| 16:42.25 | Winny | it's not like geting the information from the server magically makes it write itself upon your screen |
| 16:42.26 | JeffM | it has no code or logic to handle or display those messages |
| 16:42.32 | JeffM | exactly |
| 16:42.40 | Winny | would be nice, though :p |
| 16:42.50 | JeffM | it only knows how to do what it's been writen to do |
| 16:42.56 | JeffM | computers are not people |
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| 16:44.44 | nn-main | so are the messages in binary or text and can you give me a link to the protocal api ? and what exactly does the client do to find out what message tipe is coming in ? |
| 16:45.00 | Winny | "tipe" |
| 16:45.01 | Winny | ? |
| 16:45.06 | nn-main | type* |
| 16:45.07 | JeffM | how much do you know about C++? |
| 16:45.17 | JeffM | there is no protocoll API |
| 16:45.30 | JeffM | you would look at the client code |
| 16:45.51 | spldart | perhaps even reuse small tidbits of it? |
| 16:46.07 | JeffM | some client code is reused in the server |
| 16:46.12 | JeffM | bzadmin I mean |
| 16:46.20 | JeffM | but nn-main seriously, how much C++ do you know? |
| 16:46.37 | nn-main | well im sortive terable at figuring how classes link togother but other than that if i sit down and put my mind to a project i usually can find a refrence manual to the comand I don't know |
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| 16:47.27 | JeffM | you mean refrence for basic C++ stuff? or for the API your using? |
| 16:47.55 | nn-main | i know enofugh to under stand the how a program works if i sit down and study its way of doing things and can usually fix it while learning new stuff |
| 16:48.24 | sigonasr2 | How come 2.0.10 saves worlds with the new 2.0 stuff? I kind of liked it exporting the original boxes and pyramids instead of cones and arcs |
| 16:48.28 | JeffM | then there you go, figure out the client |
| 16:48.44 | nn-main | well most code has more than basics ..... ie networking commands |
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| 16:48.56 | JeffM | sigonasr2, so your asking how come map saving actualy saves the map? |
| 16:49.13 | JeffM | nn-main, yes this will have a lot more then basicis |
| 16:49.26 | sigonasr2 | Well no, just why does it save it in a more complicated way than it used to |
| 16:49.28 | JeffM | and will require you to understand ahow the codw works |
| 16:50.00 | JeffM | sigonasr2, it should save them however they are defined in the map |
| 16:50.19 | JeffM | if a box or pyramid has a material applied to it, it will get converted to a meshpyr or meshbox |
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| 16:50.48 | nn-main | JeffM, Im trying to get the base of the protocal .... is it anything similar to irc where text comands are inrurped and responded to? |
| 16:50.56 | JeffM | nn-main, no |
| 16:50.59 | JeffM | it's all binary packed data |
| 16:51.55 | JeffM | please stop using lol |
| 16:52.09 | JeffM | the proto reading code is in the client |
| 16:52.12 | JeffM | you just reuse that |
| 16:52.17 | spldart | ..must ... resist.... pun |
| 16:52.36 | spldart | nn-main... it sounds like your biting off more than you can chew with this.... |
| 16:52.46 | JeffM | that would be SOP for him |
| 16:52.54 | nn-main | jeffm ...... is there anything in the wiki about the protocal |
| 16:52.55 | JeffM | nn-main, seriously, look at the client forst |
| 16:52.58 | JeffM | nn-main, no |
| 16:53.02 | nn-main | ok |
| 16:53.12 | nn-main | which Cxx file ? |
| 16:53.16 | JeffM | you keep asking me the same question, I give you the same answer, but you don't do it |
| 16:53.19 | JeffM | there are many |
| 16:53.24 | JeffM | but the big one is playing.cxx |
| 16:53.31 | nn-main | ok thanks |
| 16:53.59 | JeffM | you will also need to do the same interpolation |
| 16:54.06 | JeffM | and add a frame loop to bzadmin |
| 16:54.18 | JeffM | unless you just want to care about where the tank was at it's last update |
| 16:54.27 | JeffM | IIRC the entire client is event driven |
| 16:54.39 | JeffM | not pumped like the main game |
| 16:55.19 | JeffM | it's also probable that the server won't send you the update packets on newer servers |
| 16:55.27 | JeffM | since bzadmin identifies as an admin client |
| 16:55.36 | JeffM | and we filter out a lot of messages to save bandwith |
| 16:55.41 | JeffM | like IIRC the world and updates. |
| 16:56.02 | JeffM | so you'll probably have to identify as a real client |
| 16:56.09 | JeffM | and that may cause other problems. |
| 16:56.15 | Winny | nn-main: why not... use a real client? |
| 16:56.24 | Winny | it seems like an awful lot of trouble |
| 16:57.05 | JeffM | the best way would be in 3.0 to remove the "I am admin client" flag and replace it with a mask containing what classes of info you want to be sent by the server, incluind world, player updates, chat, etc.. |
| 16:57.08 | spldart | Perhaps.. behead, as it were, the real client to break it down to what you want |
| 16:57.58 | JeffM | bzadmin is sort of a headless client |
| 16:58.10 | JeffM | but it's writen difrently |
| 16:59.54 | spldart | Just wondering if it would be easier to cut off what you don't want and patch together the rough ends making the client do what he has asked than creating the amount of new code to bring bzadmin up to the level he wants... It would be more dirty hack appropriate :) |
| 17:00.08 | JeffM | not really |
| 17:00.14 | spldart | interesting |
| 17:00.45 | JeffM | you'd basicly ahve to reimplement the bzadmin code in bzflag, where adding the one or three messages you n eed to bzadmin woudl not be too bad |
| 17:00.53 | JeffM | that and some sort of main loop |
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| 17:05.18 | nn-main | JeffM, is it possible to grab a fiew key files from bzflag client and make a bzflag client that always joins as a observer has no gui and just prints of lots of xyz info on request |
| 17:05.34 | JeffM | no |
| 17:05.45 | JeffM | programing dosn't work by "grabbing a few key files" |
| 17:05.50 | JeffM | your on your own now |
| 17:06.37 | nn-main | arg ... i ment use already made functions so all i have to do is build a new core that links runs and returns data from them ! |
| 17:07.02 | nn-main | like there must be functions in the client that grab server data |
| 17:07.19 | nn-main | then i use thoes and what they return |
| 17:07.59 | Winny | he's not here |
| 17:08.21 | nn-main | to make a simple conecting c file to conect to the server and print returned data |
| 17:08.28 | nn-main | ....... |
| 17:13.16 | nn-main | wats the BZDB varible |
| 17:13.34 | SpazzyMcGee | get a spell checker. |
| 17:14.14 | Winny | yeah, if you want to program, you need to be able to spell |
| 17:15.21 | nn-main | nv mind i found it |
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| 17:34.44 | Winny | there's a nolighting map option, right? |
| 17:35.09 | sigonasr2 | yeah |
| 17:35.30 | Winny | woohoo |
| 17:36.15 | SpazzyMcGee | winny it goes in the material. |
| 17:36.20 | Winny | ^&*$# |
| 17:36.27 | Winny | ugh |
| 17:38.29 | Winny | ahh, much better |
| 17:38.30 | Winny | thanks |
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| 17:51.12 | Winny | ugh |
| 17:51.19 | Winny | too many MATERIAL DEFINITIONS! |
| 17:51.23 | Winny | dies* |
| 17:51.34 | Winny | just broke 100 >_< |
| 17:51.48 | sigonasr2 | Are you trying to kill yourself Winny? |
| 17:52.09 | Winny | seems to :E |
| 17:53.56 | Winny | I think I need to downsize my textures too |
| 17:54.01 | Winny | there are over 20mb of them ATM |
| 17:59.40 | sigonasr2 | My cache is 20 winny. lol |
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| 18:50.11 | ocmongoose | wat up |
| 18:54.21 | TD--Linux | I'm down |
| 18:55.09 | Winny | the sky is up |
| 18:56.41 | ocmongoose | nice one |
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| 19:59.44 | donny_baker | so does this grief client let someone else shoot your bullets? |
| 20:00.25 | donny_baker | was just on Missle war and my bullets just started shooting by themselves |
| 20:01.11 | donny_baker | not consistently, just occasionally |
| 20:01.11 | donny_baker | so it wasn't like something was stuck |
| 20:02.25 | Winny | did you hostbaban the, donny_baker? |
| 20:02.26 | Winny | err |
| 20:02.27 | Winny | ban |
| 20:07.40 | donny_baker | not sure who it was |
| 20:08.20 | donny_baker | kicked the guy i suspected, but.... |
| 20:12.43 | Winny | hm |
| 20:12.53 | Winny | was your tank actually shooting?! |
| 20:13.03 | Winny | how on earth does he trigger that.. |
| 20:14.10 | L4m3r | it is possible to spoof shots from other people |
| 20:15.14 | Winny | :/ |
| 20:16.11 | donny_baker | don't know that is why i am asking |
| 20:17.06 | donny_baker | I had my hands off the keyboard and mouse, i was firing and locking with GM |
| 20:17.19 | donny_baker | it was very strange |
| 20:17.51 | Winny | weird |
| 20:18.13 | donny_baker | tell me about it.. at first i thought another tank was with me in the pyramid |
| 20:18.23 | donny_baker | nbut i couldn't find him |
| 20:22.03 | blast007 | L4m3r: no it's not |
| 20:22.20 | L4m3r | blast007: er, I thought you had said it was... and you would know :P |
| 20:22.29 | blast007 | sure, it was possible, in 1.7 |
| 20:22.33 | blast007 | that's long since been fixed |
| 20:22.39 | L4m3r | I remember you complaining that it was possible in 2.1 |
| 20:23.07 | blast007 | nope |
| 20:23.40 | donny_baker | strange |
| 20:23.50 | L4m3r | hm |
| 20:23.55 | L4m3r | well that's puzzling |
| 20:24.05 | L4m3r | would it be possible to do it with a spoofed IP? |
| 20:24.17 | blast007 | no |
| 20:24.30 | blast007 | donny_baker: are you sure they were *your* bullets? |
| 20:24.46 | blast007 | my guess they were just making their own bullets appear to come from your tank |
| 20:26.10 | Winny | how on earth would you figure out who was causing it? :/ |
| 20:33.46 | TD-Linux | yeah |
| 20:34.14 | TD-Linux | with gm you can't tell, I know it's possible to shoot your bullets wherever in 2.0.x, they might be shooting them at the right spot to make it appear like you are. |
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| 20:35.03 | Winny | I don't even see the point of that |
| 20:36.19 | TD-Linux | nor do I |
| 20:37.03 | TD-Linux | the cheater might just be trying to get attention and disruption |
| 20:37.12 | TD-Linux | I'm sure it's very effective. |
| 20:39.00 | Winny | yeah, but if the bullets don't even count for your tank... why does it matter? |
| 20:40.57 | catay | it's just about annoying people |
| 20:42.16 | awilcox | what's all this about? |
| 21:06.30 | Winny | is there a mesh/drawinfo option to not have that object cast a shadow? |
| 21:12.29 | Winny | and also.. how does "emission" work if there are no map lights? |
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| 23:09.49 | nn-main | ACK !!!! What file in the bzflag src dir has the code to recieve tank position ? |
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| 23:12.07 | Constitution | nn-main: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 23:13.26 | nn-main | trying to find the code that gets the tank position. I'm trying to make a fake bzflag client that just prints in ncurses the fallowing |
| 23:13.43 | a_meteorite | a fake bzflag client? that doesn't sound very good |
| 23:13.45 | nn-main | tank1name : position x y z angle |
| 23:14.06 | nn-main | tank2name : position x y z angle |
| 23:14.11 | nn-main | etc .... |
| 23:14.19 | nn-main | ------------------- |
| 23:14.19 | Constitution | you could mod bzadmin to do that more easily |
| 23:14.27 | nn-main | Chat box |
| 23:14.33 | nn-main | ----------- |
| 23:14.37 | nn-main | chat input |
| 23:15.15 | nn-main | ya i know but im trying to find the code in bzflag client to make it easiear to stick it into bzadmin |
| 23:15.52 | nn-main | do you know where the case server-in-messages switch is |
| 23:16.14 | nn-main | basically what file decodes incomming messages |
| 23:16.20 | CBG | nn-main: either donate to the project and find a dev who's willing to do this for you, or figure it out on your own. nobody is going to help you every 20 seconds effectively writing the whole thing for you. |
| 23:16.35 | blast007 | it'll be in playing.cxx most likely |
| 23:16.40 | blast007 | or at least where it picks up the message |
| 23:16.42 | nn-main | ok thanks |
| 23:16.48 | nn-main | :) |
| 23:16.49 | blast007 | the decoding of that message may be in other files |
| 23:16.55 | blast007 | but grep is your friend ;) |
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