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| 00:03.08 | jftsang | Can BZFlag read Chinese characters? |
| 00:03.19 | jftsang | I am intending to translate BZFlag into Chinese |
| 00:04.16 | a_meteorite | jftsang: as long as you create a new font for it, to include the chinese characters, I don't see why not |
| 00:04.32 | a_meteorite | well, even, then only ascii would be translated to chinese.. |
| 00:04.35 | a_meteorite | that wouldn't work well.. |
| 00:04.51 | a_meteorite | (only would work well if they have the same amount of letters) |
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| 00:06.45 | spldart | cheater "Liberal Simpleton" goin around.. watch out for him... It's obvious... He made it even more obvious cuz most weren't catching on... Invincibility |
| 00:07.23 | spldart | Freakin showin off his handywork |
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| 00:17.21 | Tupone | jftsang: bzflag is not ready for chinese fonts |
| 00:21.27 | jftsang_________ | Tupone: OK |
| 00:21.37 | jftsang_________ | what's "reload time" in chinese btw |
| 00:22.27 | Tupone | in chinese? I don't speak/write chinese |
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| 00:59.30 | Winny | someone ping me when JeffM shows up |
| 00:59.34 | Winny | he wants to talk to me |
| 00:59.46 | AHA | same with me |
| 01:01.00 | Winny | oh my god |
| 01:01.07 | Winny | I leave for 5 hours and the BZBB has 90 posts |
| 01:01.19 | whodaman- | woah |
| 01:01.29 | Constitution | school is out :) |
| 01:01.44 | Winny | ...for the summer? |
| 01:02.02 | Winny | oh god no... chikin is back |
| 01:02.30 | a_meteorite | Dude, that guy is almost as annoying as ME! NO WAI! |
| 01:03.06 | Constitution | Winny: yeah, the summer :P |
| 01:03.14 | CBG | Pipe down password stealer. |
| 01:03.47 | a_meteorite | CBG: I'd wait to release stuff that you don't know about through ordained methods. |
| 01:03.48 | tannerld | Winny: xmas/winter break |
| 01:05.36 | CBG | a_meteorite: That's it. Stand tall! Even if you're crippled and laying weak at the bottom of shit creek. |
| 01:07.49 | a_meteorite | Good going, swearing in a family-friendly channel. blast007, donny_baker, brlcad, et al. |
| 01:08.44 | CBG | Yes, banneth meee. I want to follow after the almight a_meteorite. |
| 01:09.58 | Constitution | a_meteorite: blast007 and donny_baker are not chanops, iirc |
| 01:13.49 | a_meteorite | purple_cow and Chestal then |
| 01:14.06 | a_meteorite | DTRemenak as well, plenty more where they came from. |
| 01:33.31 | spldart | spldart shows restraint but demands acknowledgment thus nullifying the altruistic nature often spawning restraint in the first place. |
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| 02:07.51 | keith80403 | What are the horizontal bars to the right of the square in the center of the BZFlag screen? |
| 02:08.16 | Winny | the mouse box? |
| 02:10.51 | keith80403 | Winny, Is that the little square in the center of the screen when playing? |
| 02:11.00 | whodaman- | Yes. |
| 02:11.02 | Winny | yep |
| 02:11.14 | keith80403 | Yes that's it, what are the bars on the right side for? |
| 02:11.24 | Winny | uh, the mouse box? |
| 02:11.32 | Winny | the mouse box is a square... |
| 02:11.32 | whodaman- | Tells you your height? |
| 02:11.35 | whodaman- | Is that what you mean? |
| 02:11.42 | Winny | yeah, the altimeter |
| 02:11.42 | whodaman- | aah |
| 02:11.45 | whodaman- | no |
| 02:11.46 | AAA_awright | They show your reload status? |
| 02:11.51 | whodaman- | That tells you the reload status |
| 02:12.07 | keith80403 | Can't find an explanation in the man page for it. Thought it was a targeting window but that's not it. |
| 02:13.11 | keith80403 | Winny, so the bars are an altimeter, right? |
| 02:13.29 | Winny | do they have tiny numbers next to them? |
| 02:14.15 | keith80403 | Let me check |
| 02:14.59 | keith80403 | No numbers on the stack of vertical bars, but the mouse box has numbers on the top and down the right side of the box. |
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| 02:37.24 | delusional | that's the shots-remaining / reload timer |
| 02:46.55 | spldart | OMG... there really is 326 servers! [blow_up_spewing_spinning_fragments_everywhere] |
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| 02:47.33 | sigonasr2 | I thought it was a joke :P |
| 02:52.43 | spldart | Oops.. forgot [/pun] |
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| 05:35.48 | spldart | LOL... just watched that episode of TNG today |
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| 13:07.54 | gfgzfggt | /reliad style |
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| 15:13.43 | delusional | bzflag.org image moderator PING |
| 15:14.05 | delusional | I just uploaded some images, could you please place them here? http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/images |
| 15:14.24 | Winny | ..you don't need to |
| 15:14.30 | Winny | just upload them to the wiki |
| 15:14.35 | Winny | and link to them with the wiki formatting |
| 15:15.16 | delusional | i dont want to do all seven again.. and that's not exactly what i want. |
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| 15:32.37 | donny_baker | there is no http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/images |
| 15:33.18 | donny_baker | it is all handled by the wiki software... the only way to do it is to upload them so they gat added to the wiki image tracking system |
| 15:33.57 | delusional | i just want to put them somewhere on images.bzflag.org, and not plaster my name on the wiki. |
| 15:34.28 | delusional | I don't want them to display on wiki pages, but load from the client if someone pastes my example world into a bzw. |
| 15:36.50 | delusional | for this page http://my.bzflag.org/w/Skybox |
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| 15:56.19 | F687s | What does this bzfs error message mean? (Player F687/s [0] removed at 2007-12-27 10:55:23: send queue too big) |
| 15:57.25 | Winny | something to do with the size of the packets your server is sending IIRC |
| 15:58.23 | F687s | if you go to bzfmaps.net:5037 , it will let you connect, but not choose a team, and it will kick you if you talk |
| 15:59.33 | Winny | yeah, the server can't send out packets fast enough |
| 15:59.51 | F687s | but I can spawn on any other server that I've started |
| 16:01.00 | F687s | I have flagStay loaded as the only plug-in |
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| 16:47.10 | blast007 | F687s: probably too many flags |
| 16:47.22 | blast007 | did you do something like +f good{50} ? |
| 16:47.36 | F687s | it worked perfectly well on localhost...let's see... |
| 16:47.47 | blast007 | (that wouldn't add 50 flags, but 50 of every good flag) |
| 16:49.58 | F687s | 20 F, 20 V, 10 QT, 10 A, 64 ST, 104 GM, 104 L, 84 CL, and probably more... |
| 16:50.18 | ruskie | whoa... 104gms 104l??? |
| 16:50.24 | ruskie | you trying to make this unplayable? |
| 16:50.41 | F687s | in zones... |
| 16:51.16 | ruskie | ohh well |
| 16:51.19 | ruskie | I prefer random flags... |
| 16:51.23 | ruskie | makes it more fun that way... |
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| 16:51.39 | ruskie | especially if you can figure how to use the flag you just picked up to kill the guy trying to shot you |
| 16:54.30 | F687s | I cut the flag level in half, and it works now. Thanks |
| 16:55.10 | blast007 | np |
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| 17:22.42 | JeffM | blast007, how long did it take you to get your server with XL host, and are you happy with the level of support? |
| 17:22.55 | spldart | Gotta ask... Cuz there are those who have served on their cable and dsl modems... Has anyone heard of a dsl modem that changes ip 1 to 3 times a day? |
| 17:23.18 | JeffM | does it do pppoe? |
| 17:23.41 | spldart | It completely confounds running a server |
| 17:23.52 | spldart | linksys.. set to pppoe |
| 17:23.52 | JeffM | that it would :) |
| 17:24.03 | JeffM | yeah your ISP probalby cycles them often |
| 17:24.13 | spldart | trying to set up ssh and ... yeah |
| 17:24.18 | JeffM | it's probalby NOT your modem but your ISP |
| 17:24.33 | JeffM | it's a good way to consoldate them when your low on IPs |
| 17:24.34 | spldart | Lemme guess.... it's intentional |
| 17:24.36 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:24.38 | JeffM | totaly |
| 17:24.45 | JeffM | for browsers it dosn't affect em |
| 17:24.52 | JeffM | and boots of any inactive computers |
| 17:24.52 | spldart | That hurts us as a business |
| 17:24.57 | JeffM | since PPPOE does a connections thing |
| 17:25.20 | JeffM | you have a biz class DSL setup for hosting and it's PPPOE? |
| 17:25.34 | spldart | It affects are browsers.. we have to login into manufacturers websites and sometimes go after large files... sometimes those downloads just stall |
| 17:25.36 | JeffM | or is it a personal home dsl? |
| 17:25.47 | spldart | Business |
| 17:25.54 | JeffM | eww |
| 17:26.06 | JeffM | you should get a static or dhcp for biz |
| 17:26.10 | spldart | I'm kinda upset.. wanted to ssh into my work machine |
| 17:26.17 | JeffM | call the ISP |
| 17:26.18 | spldart | yep |
| 17:26.38 | spldart | I'll pass that on to the owner... small business... 10 or so employees |
| 17:26.40 | ruskie | DSL last I checked is generaly run using PPPoE |
| 17:26.53 | JeffM | many run dhcp now |
| 17:27.01 | ruskie | but they sholud be able to provide a static ip in any case |
| 17:27.06 | ruskie | especialy if it's business class |
| 17:27.10 | JeffM | indeed |
| 17:27.14 | spldart | would changing the router setup from pppoe to anything else help? |
| 17:27.27 | ruskie | you can try but I doubt it |
| 17:27.32 | spldart | figured |
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| 17:27.44 | ruskie | ask the ISP for a static ip |
| 17:27.49 | JeffM | spldart, there may be a "keep alive" setting |
| 17:27.57 | spldart | God.. I thought I was being so slick gonna ssh in |
| 17:28.01 | spldart | I'll check |
| 17:28.22 | spldart | keep alive is set 30 seconds redial |
| 17:28.25 | ruskie | well setup a dyndns.org account and have it update the hostname :) |
| 17:28.32 | ruskie | then you can :) |
| 17:28.48 | JeffM | ruskie, the problem is when it changes while people are connected. |
| 17:28.59 | ruskie | true |
| 17:29.01 | JeffM | that severs a connection |
| 17:29.10 | ruskie | but for sshing in it would be good enough... |
| 17:29.10 | spldart | they go unresponsive and so do other appys |
| 17:29.36 | spldart | sry... I didn't mean to cause this much OT.. But thankies |
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| 17:38.42 | JeffM | man I wish we had libworld |
| 17:41.10 | CIA-46 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16367 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (bzfs/WorldInfo.cxx bzfs/WorldInfo.h game/WorldInfo.cxx): move the world info into libGame since it's used by both client and server |
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| 17:43.17 | spldart | Changed twice in a matter of 15 minutes that time... even got kicked here |
| 17:43.32 | spldart | though it doesn't ususally happen that often |
| 17:44.10 | CIA-46 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16368 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (bzfs/Makefile.am game/Makefile.am): makefiles for worldinfo need to use the correct file locations. |
| 17:44.46 | JeffM | aww son of a... |
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| 17:48.51 | JeffM | DTRemenak, you arround, I need svn help |
| 17:54.15 | donny_baker | JeffM: I win I just took down 12 production VM servers in one fell swoop while doing an upgrade :P |
| 17:54.26 | JeffM | nice |
| 17:54.31 | JeffM | I deleted a file that we needed |
| 17:55.27 | donny_baker | deleted and then commited? |
| 17:55.32 | JeffM | ohh yeah |
| 17:56.11 | donny_baker | one sec... updateing my svn |
| 17:56.35 | JeffM | seems there was allready a worldinfo.h/cxx |
| 17:57.35 | donny_baker | ok, i see... so the bzfs\WorldInfo.cxx and .h files need to be retrieved/ |
| 17:57.54 | JeffM | yeah |
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| 17:59.27 | JeffM | let me rename the one I want to keep |
| 17:59.29 | JeffM | first |
| 17:59.33 | JeffM | so we don't get screwed up :) |
| 17:59.52 | spldart | Is there any way I can make my desktop here at work report it's ip regularly to an ip of my choosing @ a regular interval? |
| 17:59.58 | CIA-46 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16369 10/trunk/bzflag/include/ (Makefile.am WorldContentInfo.h WorldInfo.h): since there was a world info already call the new one WorldContentInfo |
| 18:00.01 | donny_baker | ok... you want me to walk you through it? |
| 18:00.13 | donny_baker | or just get em back? |
| 18:00.13 | JeffM | spldart, www. noip.com |
| 18:00.21 | spldart | thanks |
| 18:00.23 | JeffM | donny_baker, get em back, do you have access. |
| 18:00.28 | donny_baker | yeah |
| 18:00.36 | JeffM | spldart, that will update a dns name when the IP changes |
| 18:02.29 | donny_baker | should the WorldInfo.cxx in /games stay? |
| 18:02.42 | spldart | so it puts something active on this end keeping my dns constantly updated |
| 18:03.09 | spldart | hrm |
| 18:04.54 | JeffM | spldart, yeah |
| 18:05.14 | spldart | That would solve Most of my problems... price is right |
| 18:05.29 | JeffM | you only have to pay if you want to use your own domain name |
| 18:05.33 | JeffM | and then that's only 25$ a year |
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| 18:07.47 | CIA-46 | BZFlag: 03joevano * r16370 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (WorldInfo.cxx WorldInfo.h): Undelete the WorldInfo files that were accidentally deleted |
| 18:07.58 | spldart | Woah.. sry.. didn't notice the software was free. shweet |
| 18:08.45 | donny_baker | JeffM: there you go.. left the games/WorldInfo.cxx in that commit alone |
| 18:09.42 | JeffM | that needs to go |
| 18:09.44 | JeffM | it's the wong one |
| 18:09.53 | JeffM | I did a move |
| 18:10.12 | donny_baker | ok |
| 18:10.23 | JeffM | spldart, it's free if you use one there domain names |
| 18:10.59 | JeffM | I pay 25$ a year so I can use it with opencombat.net |
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| 18:15.09 | CIA-46 | BZFlag: 03joevano * r16371 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/WorldInfo.cxx: Get rid of the games/WorldInfo.cxx that was moved by mistake |
| 18:15.15 | JeffM | thanks |
| 18:15.21 | donny_baker | np |
| 18:17.03 | Winny | donny_baker saves the day again ;) |
| 18:17.34 | donny_baker | man, that is one of the easiest things to do.. he could have done 4 times faster than me |
| 18:17.49 | JeffM | not really since I don't know how ;) |
| 18:18.08 | donny_baker | open the SVN log view in tortoise... find the commit and right click revert... then recommit |
| 18:18.27 | JeffM | every time I did that the file came up blank |
| 18:21.17 | donny_baker | sry JeffM I just reread what I typed and that sounded pretty shitty, dodn't mean it to |
| 18:21.26 | donny_baker | didn't |
| 18:21.46 | JeffM | no worries |
| 18:21.50 | JeffM | language tho please |
| 18:22.20 | spldart | So you can't use that dynamic url proggie without using them then? |
| 18:22.27 | JeffM | spldart, no |
| 18:23.57 | spldart | Well... To think of a really really cool url |
| 18:24.07 | spldart | domain whateva |
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| 18:27.00 | CIA-46 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16372 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/Makefile.am: world info goes back |
| 18:33.23 | CIA-46 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16373 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add implementation files for WorldContentInfo |
| 18:43.05 | Constitution | woot, donny_baker committed something! :) |
| 18:43.27 | donny_baker | my 3rd an 4th commit :P |
| 18:43.44 | Constitution | :) |
| 18:44.19 | donny_baker | i commited winny's messed up mountains <:shame:> for my second commit so I had to make up some way |
| 18:44.31 | Winny | yeah |
| 18:44.36 | Winny | :( |
| 18:45.09 | Constitution | ~donny_baker++ |
| 18:45.32 | Winny | I don't CARE if someone said that 9 seconds ago ibot |
| 18:45.33 | Winny | ~donny_baker++ |
| 18:45.39 | Constitution | lol |
| 18:46.23 | Winny | ~karma donny_baker |
| 18:46.23 | ibot | donny_baker has karma of 69 |
| 18:46.30 | Winny | woo 69! ;0 |
| 18:46.49 | Constitution | repetitive sounds must especially drive the bot crazy |
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| 19:06.18 | Thumper_ | ~donny_baker++ |
| 19:09.05 | ruskie | weee another of the "I didn't do anything wrong why did you ban me" "I'll report you to the server admin" players... sheesh |
| 19:09.22 | ruskie | and the guy was playing with 5% loss for a long time... and ignored all warnings... |
| 19:13.34 | blast007 | JeffM: was probably a business day or two after ordering my server that it was set up and ready |
| 19:13.49 | JeffM | you happy with them? |
| 19:13.59 | Winny | JeffM: are you going with Xl? |
| 19:14.03 | blast007 | the support staff isn't overly knowledgable from what I've had to get help with, but overall I'm happy |
| 19:14.07 | JeffM | I'm in the fence |
| 19:14.12 | JeffM | XL has more CPU |
| 19:14.17 | JeffM | sagonet has more drive space. |
| 19:14.20 | Winny | in the fench? uhoh |
| 19:14.46 | blast007 | Winny: don't worry, the fence is set to drivethrough |
| 19:15.01 | Winny | blast007, phew |
| 19:15.18 | JeffM | sagonets 0.50$ a gig overage thing worries me a little |
| 19:15.36 | Winny | JeffM: I ran bloodbath and missilewar last month, and I used 400gb |
| 19:15.43 | JeffM | blast007, what did you have to help them with? it wasn't straightorward |
| 19:15.51 | Winny | Im not quite sure how one would use all 1tb |
| 19:15.52 | JeffM | Winny, yeah I don't "plan" on going over |
| 19:16.00 | blast007 | JeffM: I had some network issues with high amounts of packet loss |
| 19:16.01 | JeffM | Winny, host media files ;) |
| 19:16.32 | blast007 | they seemed to think that 'traceroute' was used to find packet loss, and I had to explain that it only takes a very small sample |
| 19:16.40 | blast007 | they're like "well, the traceroute looks good..." |
| 19:16.41 | JeffM | hmm |
| 19:17.02 | blast007 | but I also had a log of 500 pings, with a good amount of loss |
| 19:17.09 | blast007 | just not enough to show up in a traceroute |
| 19:22.17 | spldart | sounds frustrating |
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| 19:23.46 | ruskie | blast007, how about mtr ? |
| 19:23.54 | blast007 | mtr? |
| 19:24.11 | ruskie | http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ |
| 19:25.23 | blast007 | neat |
| 19:26.44 | Gnurdux | **** |
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| 21:29.21 | wanda | JeffM or any other with svn access, please add a line 23: #include <vector> to the newly created include/WorldContentInfo.h.. . It is missing I think .. |
| 21:31.19 | CIA-46 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16374 10/trunk/bzflag/include/WorldContentInfo.h: not all STL implemtations include vector with string. |
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| 21:36.50 | wanda | ty .ty .. another small point .. if I start up without an existing directory $HOME/.bzf/3.0 or without $HOME/.bzf/3.0/config.cfg.<hostname>, bzflag crashes. Creating an empty config file helps ... |
| 21:37.19 | JeffM | thats cus we are desuporting linux |
| 21:37.43 | wanda | you are joking, arnt u? |
| 21:38.09 | JeffM | for the client it's such a small % |
| 21:38.25 | JeffM | and I mean most linux users are used to runing games in wine anyway |
| 21:39.12 | JeffM | I get the feeling that the mac people may beat out the nixies now |
| 21:39.25 | wanda | u make me sad .. i was so happy to find a good game on linux ... |
| 21:39.33 | JeffM | I'm kidding ;) |
| 21:39.48 | pacman87 | well, you had me worried for a bit... |
| 21:39.50 | JeffM | I think the mac people are still a % or 2 below you |
| 21:40.12 | wanda | i will send u a email-bomb for new-years eve :-)) |
| 21:40.29 | JeffM | yeah that will make me totaly want to keep supporting linux |
| 21:41.02 | gsnedders | JeffM: I've generally seen more people on Darwin than Linux (and I assume next to nobody actually uses Darwin outwith OS X) |
| 21:41.20 | JeffM | yeah the mac users are geting bigger |
| 21:42.02 | gsnedders | a while ago there'd've been no question there were more Linux users, but there again, OS X is still comparatively young |
| 21:42.20 | JeffM | they have been slowiy growing |
| 21:42.26 | JeffM | I think most servers will stay nix |
| 21:42.32 | JeffM | as it offers good remote admin tools |
| 21:43.44 | wanda | ok ..a third point: the view angle lines on radar are covered by obstacles and other objects ... they are fully visible with the 2.10 client and i cant find any difference in the code |
| 21:45.48 | wanda | any idea? |
| 21:47.04 | JeffM | draw order |
| 21:47.13 | JeffM | radar drawing was changed |
| 21:47.17 | JeffM | to be like that IIRC |
| 21:47.39 | wanda | hmm i dont like it |
| 21:48.36 | JeffM | ok |
| 21:48.50 | JeffM | code up an option to make it ether way |
| 22:06.23 | F687s | huh, if you set a freakishly low reload time, you'll use up all your shots... |
| 22:07.17 | Constitution | what do you mean? |
| 22:07.30 | JeffM | well yeah that's the point |
| 22:07.33 | JeffM | LIMITED SHOTS |
| 22:07.59 | Constitution | the life of a shot is some ratio of _reloadTime, _exploadTime, _shotRange, _shotSpeed, etc., iirc (or something like that) |
| 22:08.08 | Constitution | erm, not -exploadTime |
| 22:08.23 | JeffM | it is, but that dosn't mean you will aways have a shot on hand to fire |
| 22:08.36 | JeffM | it's very easy to get it set so all shots are on the field |
| 22:09.16 | F687s | if you set _rFireAdRate to 0, you won't be able to shoot any more once you've used up your shots |
| 22:09.32 | CIA-46 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r16375 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Remove --enable-threads . It was meant only for kerberos, and it is gone |
| 22:09.41 | JeffM | they shoudl entualy expire |
| 22:10.02 | F687s | in a matter of years |
| 22:10.30 | F687s | setting _reloadTime to 0 makes shots worthless (of course) |
| 22:10.36 | JeffM | tehre are settings that are rather lame |
| 22:11.14 | JeffM | that's like saying you took the gas tank out of your carn and your wondering why it won't run anymore. |
| 22:11.58 | F687s | if you set _reloadTime, though, _shotRange and _shotSpeed somehow are not meaningful |
| 22:12.38 | JeffM | it's just math |
| 22:12.44 | JeffM | it all works together |
| 22:13.50 | F687s | but if I set _reloadTime to 0.1, with the default being _shotRange / _shotSpeed , shouldn't the previous algorithm be discarded? |
| 22:14.34 | JeffM | go look at the code, what does it do? |
| 22:14.50 | F687s | the map code, or the bzflag source? |
| 22:15.24 | JeffM | maps don't have clode |
| 22:15.25 | JeffM | code |
| 22:15.31 | JeffM | maps provide input |
| 22:15.39 | JeffM | the source code has the logic |
| 22:15.57 | JeffM | and you are questioning how the shot life and reload logic works with the various inputs |
| 22:17.31 | F687s | but if the default is "_shotRange / _shotSpeed", and you override the default, the settings should be untouched, right? |
| 22:17.49 | F687s | but modifying _reloadTime also affects the other two variables. |
| 22:18.15 | JeffM | some variables are defined as formulas involving others |
| 22:18.44 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.52 | F687s | so how does one variable being set modify two variables? what is the ratio? |
| 22:21.12 | JeffM | depends on the math involved |
| 22:21.31 | JeffM | in that case _reloadTime is _shotRange devided by _shotSpeed |
| 22:21.41 | JeffM | if you change shot speed or rante it redoes the math |
| 22:21.55 | F687s | interesting |
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| 22:57.41 | delusional_ | Is this a correct statement? All BZFlag objects except base support materials. |
| 22:57.49 | delusional_ | are there other exceptions? |
| 22:59.45 | Winny | teleporter borders? |
| 23:02.26 | L4m3r | teleporters, I would think |
| 23:02.30 | L4m3r | waterlevels |
| 23:04.02 | F687s | teleporter borders should be done in 3.0, right? |
| 23:04.44 | delusional_ | WaterMaterial is fully configurable, and jeff already added TeleFrame material for 3.0 |
| 23:04.54 | Winny | Im currently working on a new texture pack for 3.0 I think |
| 23:04.59 | Winny | well, submitting one anyways |
| 23:05.15 | L4m3r | teles and water are also both easily faked :) |
| 23:05.30 | L4m3r | in fact, bogus tele borders texture better than real ones |
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| 23:06.56 | F687s | Winny: to replace the current texture pack, or as an optional? |
| 23:07.01 | JeffM | techincaly the box and pyramid objects don't suport materials, but they get auto converted to meshbox and meshpyr |
| 23:07.03 | Winny | no idea |
| 23:07.21 | Winny | whatever people wanna do with em I guess |
| 23:07.39 | delusional_ | I used a small, tall arc of 16 divisions, as the sides of a teleporter, and liked the effect it gave to shots and tanks driving around it. |
| 23:07.47 | delusional_ | liked the effect a lot. |
| 23:08.02 | F687s | yes, but there are bugs when autoconverting boxes and pyramids (at least in 2.0.x) |
| 23:08.21 | JeffM | indeed, a meshbox is not exactly the same as a box |
| 23:08.55 | F687s | and problems occur when you mix boxes and meshboxes |
| 23:09.09 | JeffM | that's is a sim bug |
| 23:09.50 | blast007 | that sim bug will be fixed in the Sims 2 |
| 23:10.12 | F687s | why should boxes and meshboxes function differently? |
| 23:11.05 | Winny | JeffM: why do you need louman? Lots of people can do that stuff... SpazzyMcGee, delusional_, etc :) |
| 23:11.18 | JeffM | cus he is good at art ;) |
| 23:11.32 | JeffM | F687s, because they use diffrent collsion code |
| 23:11.52 | JeffM | Winny, not saying that others arn't good at art as well |
| 23:11.59 | SpazzyMcGee | heh. |
| 23:12.08 | JeffM | but for the map I have in mind he'd be able to pull it off |
| 23:12.25 | JeffM | I have less experience looking at maps from others that is all |
| 23:12.49 | JeffM | delusional_, right now each object type knows how stuff colieds with it |
| 23:13.02 | JeffM | and that leads to compataiblity issues box -> mesh |
| 23:13.09 | delusional_ | ok |
| 23:13.22 | JeffM | techincaly all our current objects could be defined as one common surface def |
| 23:13.32 | JeffM | like it if was all converted to meshes |
| 23:13.37 | delusional_ | boxes and pyrs are all converted to mesh? |
| 23:13.46 | JeffM | then the client would only know how to clollide with one thing |
| 23:13.50 | JeffM | and woudln't care where it came from |
| 23:13.54 | JeffM | not now they arn't |
| 23:13.56 | JeffM | I want them to be |
| 23:14.15 | JeffM | I want the map that's sent to the client to just be a list of surfaces with attributes |
| 23:14.39 | JeffM | then the client and server code for dealing with the surfaces is very simple |
| 23:14.48 | delusional_ | ah. |
| 23:14.49 | JeffM | and the complex stuff just goes into the map reader |
| 23:15.03 | JeffM | since it converts high level things like "boxes" into surface defs |
| 23:15.33 | SpazzyMcGee | basically make everything a mesh? |
| 23:15.45 | JeffM | or some surface definition |
| 23:15.58 | JeffM | it does not need to be just a flat surface def |
| 23:16.01 | JeffM | like a mesh face |
| 23:16.11 | JeffM | an actual numeric surface could work too |
| 23:16.25 | JeffM | nurb workds :) |
| 23:16.28 | JeffM | worlds |
| 23:16.33 | JeffM | but yeah it'd probalby be a plane |
| 23:17.20 | JeffM | once we got that then we could go and do brlcads big prim thing and allow for CSG and the like, and just convert it up once to the final surf defs |
| 23:18.33 | delusional_ | working with prims is nice. could probably do particles too. |
| 23:18.51 | JeffM | partciles themseves are not part of the map |
| 23:18.55 | JeffM | the emmiters are |
| 23:19.31 | delusional_ | what I want right now is a better understanding of how sphere and extents are used by bzflag. I feel i've got most of the clues but there is one crucial bit of info missing. |
| 23:19.59 | delusional_ | if i'm using a drawinfo for decoration only, can I set it's sphere to zero? |
| 23:20.11 | delusional_ | or extents, i meant to say. |
| 23:20.34 | Winny | any thoughts? I can send you the PNGs if you want to test them in client.: http://bzfusion.net/BZTextures/screenshots/bzfi1054.png http://bzfusion.net/BZTextures/screenshots/bzfi1053.png http://bzfusion.net/BZTextures/screenshots/bzfi1055.png |
| 23:20.40 | JeffM | they are used by the octree for cliping |
| 23:21.01 | JeffM | if the sphere is outside of the view, it's assumed the entire object is not vissable |
| 23:21.09 | JeffM | and not rendered. |
| 23:21.14 | JeffM | basicly it's a fast out |
| 23:21.21 | JeffM | instead of testing each face to see if its' vissable |
| 23:21.33 | delusional_ | ah |
| 23:21.36 | JeffM | we can quicly check the extents to see if that entire box or sphere is not vissible |
| 23:21.49 | JeffM | if it isn't then the entire thing can be thrown out for this frame |
| 23:21.56 | SpazzyMcGee | If you change the texture pack in 3.0, wont that screw with some material definitions from 2.x maps? |
| 23:21.56 | JeffM | that's what makes them fast |
| 23:21.59 | JeffM | the grouping |
| 23:22.12 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, materials define the textures |
| 23:22.41 | JeffM | or do you mean ones that refrence the internal textures? |
| 23:22.46 | SpazzyMcGee | Yeah |
| 23:23.02 | JeffM | well we can keep the old textures in an old dir, or on images. bzflag.org |
| 23:23.09 | JeffM | and those maps get updated |
| 23:23.15 | JeffM | or we use new names for the defaults |
| 23:23.28 | JeffM | probably a good time to use directories and such |
| 23:23.43 | SpazzyMcGee | And ship all the old textures too? |
| 23:23.49 | JeffM | but yes any change to the graphics/rendering system will change the look from the older versions |
| 23:24.04 | JeffM | we dont' make any claim that we'll keep the old visuals for compatability |
| 23:24.20 | JeffM | if we have the old textures on images.bzflag.org then we dont' need to ship them |
| 23:24.22 | L4m3r | SpazzyMcGee: that's one reason I think we should have all the original textures online somewhere, so mappers can use them |
| 23:24.28 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:24.36 | SpazzyMcGee | fair enough |
| 23:24.37 | JeffM | I think we should group them into dirs too |
| 23:24.51 | JeffM | like move the old ones to /legacy/2.0/image name |
| 23:24.51 | L4m3r | this also prevents cheating by, say, making your local texture half-transparent |
| 23:25.06 | JeffM | L4m3r, that won't let you cheat |
| 23:25.13 | JeffM | the code is suposed to check the material |
| 23:25.26 | JeffM | if it's not transpearnt it'll ignore UV alpha |
| 23:25.28 | SpazzyMcGee | I suggest there are little icons on the screen for each of the flags. i.e. you get a GM, and a little missile icon appears in the top right. |
| 23:25.34 | JeffM | at least that's how trepan splained it to me |
| 23:25.45 | L4m3r | JeffM: I've tested it and it definitely works |
| 23:25.51 | JeffM | then we shold fix that |
| 23:26.00 | L4m3r | if a 2.0 map references standard textures, you can modify them at will |
| 23:26.12 | L4m3r | transparency doesn't work on 1.x objects, though |
| 23:26.53 | L4m3r | though, you can likewise prevent the transparency from working by using notexalpha in your materials :) |
| 23:27.07 | JeffM | yeah we can do more on the server at map load time |
| 23:27.18 | JeffM | check out the materials and textures, etc.. |
| 23:27.36 | JeffM | and flag the face if it should be transperant or not |
| 23:27.42 | JeffM | that could help the sorting engine too |
| 23:28.15 | L4m3r | but it would still be nice to have the "official" textures online, so mappers don't need to worry about texture packs screwing up their maps |
| 23:28.40 | L4m3r | heck, we could auto-install them into the cache when the client is installed, so you won't even need to download them |
| 23:29.06 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:29.10 | JeffM | we should have a current |
| 23:29.18 | JeffM | and one with the version |
| 23:29.25 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 23:29.27 | JeffM | so if you want a specific version you can get it |
| 23:29.42 | L4m3r | well, we should probably not use a "current" dir |
| 23:29.45 | JeffM | so like images.bzflag.org/standard/2.0/image.. |
| 23:30.00 | JeffM | we can just make that be an alias to the current version ;) |
| 23:30.01 | L4m3r | because we don't want to change the images when they're live |
| 23:30.05 | JeffM | just so people know |
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