| 00:00.30 | TimRiker | I agree it could be better. the debian releases are named x.x.x.yyyymmdd for example. |
| 00:00.53 | TimRiker | still not ideal, but it did give me the room to make sub-point releases. :) |
| 00:07.44 | JeffM | yes the not enough room was the driving factor |
| 00:07.56 | JeffM | I didn't have any documented way to name a new windows bin |
| 00:08.09 | JeffM | or to name the beta/RC stuff |
| 00:08.22 | JeffM | so I'd just like SOME system that can allow for those |
| 00:08.45 | JeffM | you should talk with tupone and brlcad and hash it out they were the big players, I just set forth a set of needs |
| 00:11.14 | TimRiker | bumping the major version on _release_ network changes is probably a Good Thing. hardwiring the network version to the major release number is definitely a Bad Thing. |
| 00:22.39 | JeffM | I think the inent was the former not the later |
| 00:22.47 | JeffM | perhaps it just needs to be writen better |
| 00:22.58 | JeffM | and me no write good |
| 00:23.45 | JeffM | tho I do find that odd since I am atempting to write a book |
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| 02:59.42 | CIA-2 | GPLib: 03JeffM2501 * r39 10/trunk/GPLib/ (inc/gpFile.h core/src/gpFile.cpp): file IO for the native file system files |
| 03:05.50 | spldart | OMG please design missle war 2.2 so that people can't dominate with those telports and reflections to keep the other base indefenitely held pinned.. It's such a great map otherwise :) !@! |
| 03:06.41 | JeffM | fix the map and send it back for hosting ;) |
| 03:07.39 | spldart | Ah... good point... I might try that when my girl get's outta teh hospital... thankies! As of now I only get short little 2 to 5 minute bursts of play time on some days and nothing on others |
| 03:08.26 | spldart | Last 3 joins were autoteamed to the greens... tried to join as red.. only to find they were hopelessly dominated with little chance of breakout :-/ |
| 03:08.49 | spldart | they = green |
| 03:11.22 | spldart | Now that I think of it... my frustration is probably exascerbated by stress and time constraints of watching other kids alone... meh... Strike everything from the record Mr. Bot :~) |
| 03:11.55 | spldart | I made him run away :-( |
| 03:11.55 | Thumper_ | spldart: !! you got the bot to strike JeffM too! |
| 03:12.02 | spldart | Right?!?! |
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| 03:33.55 | Macrosoft | spldart: ducatiwannabe already fixed the map |
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| 04:10.53 | brlcad | yeah, the idea isn't to bump major on every technical incompatibility, that'd just be the patch revision number while we're in development |
| 04:11.58 | brlcad | the major gets bumped when we do release, that could be spelled out better but the convention intent isn't really that complicated -- the .99 is intently special |
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| 04:13.00 | brlcad | if you're doing dev on a .99, you should be using the latest code regardless, use the patch number to indicate that or leave it to the protocol number, doesn't really matter |
| 04:17.23 | Winny | delete worthy? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11887 |
| 04:19.18 | brlcad | why? |
| 04:20.35 | brlcad | kinda lame and mildly flamebait, but that's not a reason to delete just yet by itself .. i.e. it's not an issue unless you make it one |
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| 12:23.48 | spldart | >Thumper_ As of my statement there was alot of cobwebbing the oppossing fort by firing through teleporters. Did he fix before that statement?? |
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| 13:10.07 | Thumper_ | spldart: huh? |
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| 13:10.40 | Thumper_ | spldart: Macrosoft would know more about that than me |
| 13:10.51 | short_circuit | Okies |
| 13:11.14 | short_circuit | Sry earlier... was tinkering with hauuppauge card settings and locked'er up tight |
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| 18:26.11 | JeffM | :( |
| 18:26.17 | JeffM | :) |
| 18:26.19 | JeffM | just slow |
| 18:26.30 | whodaman- | heh |
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| 18:34.29 | wizart | Hi, when I start bzflag it behaves very jerky for about the first minute with lots of dropped frames. I'm also loosing frames when a background prozess is starting. Is there a linux way around this problem or is this more fundamental? |
| 18:35.41 | JeffM | how many FPS do you normaly get? |
| 18:35.55 | wizart | usually around 500fps |
| 18:36.06 | JeffM | that's excessive |
| 18:36.06 | wizart | To many but better than 30 |
| 18:36.19 | JeffM | use the power saver and have t clamp to 100 |
| 18:36.25 | JeffM | that will leave more CPU for other stuff |
| 18:36.28 | wizart | That's why I'm a bit confused about the freezes. |
| 18:36.37 | JeffM | probably scheduling |
| 18:36.40 | JeffM | we are a hog |
| 18:36.54 | JeffM | we hog for a long time, OS says "SCrew you" and makes us wait |
| 18:37.26 | JeffM | if you use VBL or the frame limiter then there is moe time inbetween and the OS is hapy |
| 18:37.33 | JeffM | and dosn't have to shut us out for long cycles |
| 18:37.59 | JeffM | turn on the power saver, and that will sync you to like 60fps |
| 18:38.15 | JeffM | if that dosn't seem fast enough you can set it to like 100 in the config |
| 18:38.17 | wizart | I've a screen refresh rate of 100 |
| 18:38.29 | wizart | Is that the fps Limit option in the config file ? |
| 18:38.29 | JeffM | your eye can't see that fast ;) |
| 18:38.37 | JeffM | the limit is in the config |
| 18:38.41 | JeffM | you turn it on in the menu |
| 18:38.49 | JeffM | assuming your on a recent version |
| 18:38.54 | wizart | set fpsLimit 100 and power saver on. |
| 18:38.57 | wizart | ok I will try that |
| 18:38.58 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:39.10 | JeffM | or turn on VBL in your driver |
| 18:39.26 | wizart | actually I like the high framerate. |
| 18:39.29 | JeffM | if you have a CRT, cus thats the only display that has a "refresh" |
| 18:39.41 | wizart | Any study of frame rate vs lag? |
| 18:39.56 | wizart | a usual frame should tke already 10ms to display right ? |
| 18:39.58 | JeffM | the frame rate == the minimum lag |
| 18:40.12 | JeffM | there is no "ussual" frame |
| 18:40.25 | JeffM | if oyu had 500 FPS then your frames take 1/500th of a second |
| 18:41.07 | wizart | hmm. Now it's at 100 fps but still not smooth at the start. |
| 18:41.17 | JeffM | dunno what else your system has going on then |
| 18:41.23 | JeffM | your un compiz or anything? |
| 18:41.35 | JeffM | other things that could be using open GL that need to be unloaded |
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| 18:42.02 | wizart | No. I figured out the compiz thingy already |
| 18:42.18 | wizart | top claims everything besides top and Xorg is sleeping |
| 18:42.34 | JeffM | dunno |
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| 18:43.47 | wizart | Jea. Me too :/ I've no idea how to track something like lost frames |
| 18:43.53 | JeffM | word up Tupone |
| 18:44.05 | JeffM | lost frames is not the correct term |
| 18:44.09 | JeffM | we don't do "lost frames" |
| 18:44.13 | JeffM | your FPS just gets REALY low |
| 18:44.27 | JeffM | they arn't lost, they never existed :) |
| 18:44.28 | Tupone | eek, wu? |
| 18:44.38 | JeffM | it means hello Tupone ;) |
| 18:44.45 | Tupone | ahh, hello |
| 18:45.43 | wizart | hi tupone. |
| 18:45.48 | Tupone | hi wizart |
| 18:45.55 | JeffM | wizart, the concept of lost or droped frames comes in when you have an internal fixed FPS cycle, and you don't draw a visual frame for the internal state frame |
| 18:46.14 | JeffM | our simulation runs at the same rate as display does. |
| 18:46.23 | wizart | I just started bzflag as root with nice -5 bzflag (with power saving on) and it got worse. |
| 18:46.53 | JeffM | maybe your computer is telling you that you need more cores :) |
| 18:47.17 | wizart | I've two already -.- |
| 18:47.29 | blast007 | did you try reinstalling Windows? |
| 18:47.33 | JeffM | then that's realy odd |
| 18:47.40 | JeffM | SMB kernel? |
| 18:47.41 | wizart | hehe. Yea. Even did that :) |
| 18:48.00 | wizart | But that didn't improve things much either. |
| 18:48.04 | Chestal | wizart: give vblank a try. |
| 18:48.14 | JeffM | yeah that'd be the last thing |
| 18:48.27 | JeffM | cus with dual cores, BZ will only use one, and the rest should be for the CPU |
| 18:48.44 | wizart | ok. I will try that. |
| 18:48.46 | Chestal | the manual throttling of bz has been unreliable for me. However, without fps limit, it was always smooth for me to begin with |
| 18:54.46 | mci47 | greetings all. I'm unable to join missilewar, but have a registered callsign, and can join all other servers (besides bzflagr hosted) with a + by my name. Is anyone else having this issue? |
| 18:55.15 | mci47 | I'm running 2.10 |
| 18:55.17 | blast007 | what happens when you try to join? |
| 18:55.35 | JeffM | mci47, 2.10 or 2.0.10? |
| 18:55.36 | mci47 | it just sits there, with no scores pop up, and never joins |
| 18:55.58 | JeffM | then you probably just can't connect to them |
| 18:55.59 | mci47 | latest 2.0.10 |
| 18:56.07 | JeffM | are there any error messges in the chat text? |
| 18:56.21 | mci47 | no, just global login accepted... |
| 18:56.51 | JeffM | sounds line inernet troubles and the join isn't going all the way thru |
| 18:57.17 | JeffM | if other servers work for you, and you don't have any firewalls that would block that address/port, then it's probably an issue on the server, not you. |
| 18:57.39 | mci47 | I'll be patainet and try again later, thanks |
| 18:58.29 | Thumper_ | mci47: works fine for me (not that that is much help :) |
| 18:58.46 | mci47 | oh sure, rub it in :) |
| 18:58.51 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:58.52 | JeffM | could just be the interwebs between you and it |
| 18:59.03 | JeffM | it's NOT like there arn't other servers to use ;) |
| 18:59.23 | mci47 | off to the badger! see ya |
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| 20:08.53 | donny_baker | he's gone but mci47's problem is probably his router |
| 20:09.21 | donny_baker | it happens when the # of players gets up to around 23 for me when on my linksys router |
| 20:09.48 | donny_baker | can connect from work with a cisco router no matter the number of players |
| 20:10.46 | Winny | Its actually also something realted to my ISP having network problems... not pleased. |
| 20:11.12 | donny_baker | really... i can connect from work with 30 + players |
| 20:11.31 | donny_baker | had this issue with misslewar 1 on a different server too |
| 20:11.45 | Winny | hmm |
| 20:12.02 | Winny | Ive narrowed it down to either the TCP buffer, or the network issure |
| 20:12.07 | donny_baker | just remebered that last night, just thought I was blocked :P |
| 20:13.29 | Winny | Has any one in here just done the XP to vista upgrade, and not a clean install? |
| 20:14.21 | Winny | Not looking forward to reinstalling windows for the 4th time in as many months :p |
| 20:14.47 | tannerld | Winny: I have |
| 20:14.58 | Winny | tannerld: how'd it work? |
| 20:15.04 | tannerld | Winny: fine afaik |
| 20:15.09 | Winny | ok |
| 20:16.13 | thefirstdude | why windows, why not linux |
| 20:16.32 | scott | thefirstdude: i ask that everyday |
| 20:16.38 | Winny | thefirstdude: because I really don't feel like using an OS that makes me run all the apps I need in an emulator |
| 20:16.45 | Winny | Photoshop, M$ word, etc.. |
| 20:16.54 | thefirstdude | you need msword...huh |
| 20:17.02 | Winny | for working |
| 20:17.04 | thefirstdude | open office, and gimp work just fine or better |
| 20:17.08 | Winny | LOL |
| 20:26.05 | JeffM | open office is close, but not quite there yet |
| 20:26.09 | JeffM | and gimp dosn't compare |
| 20:26.18 | JeffM | it will when the redo the interface |
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| 20:29.38 | Winny | IMO, still not quite there in the aspect of effects, etc |
| 20:29.57 | JeffM | once they get the interface setup people will write the layer effects |
| 20:30.10 | JeffM | more users == more features in that world |
| 20:36.17 | Winny | donny_baker: I rebooted missile war again... got rid of about 20 flags, since DW included a crapload of 'em in 2.3 >_< |
| 20:36.38 | Winny | so (more) people shoud be able to join now. |
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| 22:01.37 | awilcox | JeffM: I never got it to work right :/ |
| 22:01.45 | JeffM | add a file to the project, it marks it for addition into svn, automaticly |
| 22:02.06 | JeffM | with what version of VC? |
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| 22:03.20 | nn-main | hi all |
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| 22:03.24 | blast007 | hi nn-main |
| 22:03.28 | JeffM | hello |
| 22:03.30 | nn-main | :) |
| 22:03.40 | awilcox | JeffM: 7.1 |
| 22:03.48 | awilcox | hello nn-main. |
| 22:03.52 | JeffM | worked fine for me, just installed and it was golden |
| 22:03.56 | nn-main | whats the latest inivation to bzflag? |
| 22:04.03 | JeffM | asked me if I wanted to atttatch |
| 22:04.06 | JeffM | nn-main, initelesuck |
| 22:04.36 | awilcox | JeffM: nice. I still can't figure out how to make it commit a new project =/ possibly due to screwy svn server, though |
| 22:04.46 | nn-main | cool, what does it do ? |
| 22:04.47 | JeffM | ahh never did a new one |
| 22:04.53 | JeffM | only did existings |
| 22:05.25 | JeffM | nn-main, automaticly adjusts server features like lag and packetloss based on how the game is going. |
| 22:05.46 | nn-main | Wow! that is usefull |
| 22:06.18 | awilcox | wow, can you set the colour of the team you want to win? :p |
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| 22:08.11 | awilcox | ...svn has been static for days. |
| 22:08.12 | JeffM | no its a server side sthing |
| 22:08.27 | awilcox | JeffM: right, but a server op could configure it, right? |
| 22:08.27 | JeffM | as the game gets better and more intense the lag and packetloss are ramped up |
| 22:08.33 | JeffM | no it's automatic |
| 22:08.37 | awilcox | ooh. |
| 22:09.03 | JeffM | it's in trunk |
| 22:09.09 | JeffM | it's buried in the network code |
| 22:09.23 | JeffM | nothing new goes into 2.0.x |
| 22:09.25 | awilcox | ahh |
| 22:09.36 | JeffM | 3.0.0 ftw |
| 22:10.19 | nn-main | Im really glad I gave that Dedicated server on my line to ahs3 :-D He really makes good use of it. :) |
| 22:10.58 | nn-main | .... He has root access to it. |
| 22:11.13 | JeffM | hmm fun |
| 22:11.40 | nn-main | well going to one of his games bbl |
| 22:11.48 | Winny | this week's tip: never EVER give someone root access on a machine if it contains any important files. |
| 22:12.09 | awilcox | Winny: s/ if it contains any important files// |
| 22:12.35 | awilcox | Winny meant: this week's tip: never EVER give someone root access on a machine. |
| 22:13.00 | Winny | well, if the machine has no use to you |
| 22:13.12 | Thumper_ | Winny: then just turn it off |
| 22:13.30 | JeffM | "unless you are geting paid" |
| 22:13.33 | JeffM | that's prety much it |
| 22:13.51 | CIA-2 | GPLib: 03JeffM2501 * r41 10/trunk/GPLib/ (8 files in 5 dirs): |
| 22:13.53 | CIA-2 | GPLib: add common file for all WinAPI includes |
| 22:13.55 | CIA-2 | GPLib: suppress automatic lib includes when building the lib as only the client app needs them. |
| 22:13.57 | CIA-2 | GPLib: native file class is virtual |
| 22:13.59 | CIA-2 | GPLib: allow native file system to recursively walk files and dir trees for both WinAPI and Posix systems. |
| 22:15.47 | TD-Linux | JeffM, heh :P |
| 22:15.56 | Constitution | brlcad: how far are you from Richmond, VA? |
| 22:16.09 | TD-Linux | I have a lot of other network games that do that too... |
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| 22:20.31 | awilcox | how can you set the blocking flag using setsockopt? |
| 22:20.50 | awilcox | (network.cxx:76) |
| 22:21.46 | awilcox | there is SO_RCVTIMEO to how long to wait before timing out, which would be 0 for blocking, but how long would it be for non-blocking? |
| 22:23.45 | JeffM | that comment is probably ages old |
| 22:29.37 | Thumper_ | awilcox: uh nonblocking doesn't wait |
| 22:30.43 | JeffM | yeah that's the point of non blocking, it dosn't block ;) |
| 22:31.41 | awilcox | then it would be what, 1 microsecond? |
| 22:32.00 | awilcox | that's the lowest supported wait time |
| 22:32.51 | JeffM | it's suposed to happen in the background |
| 22:32.55 | JeffM | all async and stuff |
| 22:32.57 | Thumper_ | it doesn't wait. it checks the socket (or whatever) for data and you get what is there or -1 as a status |
| 22:34.09 | awilcox | Then you can't use setsockopt to emulate [non-]blocking behaviour. |
| 22:34.21 | awilcox | and the comment probably should be removed at some point. |
| 22:34.22 | Thumper_ | or maybe it's 0 (vs -1) for number of bytes read. you'll have to look it up. man pages are your friends |
| 22:34.30 | JeffM | then that comment is probalby just WRONG |
| 22:34.30 | Thumper_ | sure you can use setsockopt to make the socket nonblocking |
| 22:35.31 | awilcox | Thumper_: it would return -1 and errno would be EAGAIN, if there was no data to recv() and the socket was nonblocking |
| 22:35.54 | Thumper_ | yup |
| 22:41.05 | awilcox | according to http://opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xns/setsockopt.html there is no way to use setsockopt to make it nonblocking, and the #defines for setsockopt() options, found in <asm-i486/socket.h>, have no mention of a blocking option; therefore, there is NO WAY to change the block-ness of a socket using setsockopt(), at least in Linux 2.6. |
| 22:42.55 | Thumper_ | use fcntl() |
| 22:43.11 | JeffM | there is no dire need to change the code, what we have works |
| 22:43.36 | JeffM | not every comment in the code is a decree |
| 22:43.38 | awilcox | Thumper_: we *are* using that. there is a comment that says FIXME: use setsockopt |
| 22:43.56 | Thumper_ | ok :) then maybe the comment is wrong. :-P --> back to start :) |
| 22:44.14 | awilcox | so I was trying to figure out why that was there, and if there was something else that needed to be changed. |
| 22:44.19 | Thumper_ | research it. figure out how to do the equivalent thing right. don't assume the comment is correct |
| 22:44.36 | JeffM | it is there because somone decided to type it in ;) |
| 22:44.55 | Thumper_ | what file is this? |
| 22:46.34 | Thumper_ | actually nevermind...gotta leave for the weekend. |
| 22:47.24 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16266 10/trunk/bzflag/src/net/network.cxx: the blocking system we have works, this comment makes no sense. |
| 22:47.30 | awilcox | Thumper_: network.cxx:76, and bye :) |
| 22:47.35 | awilcox | thank you JeffM :) |
| 22:47.55 | JeffM | the todo is probably a better place to look for work rather then comments |
| 22:53.46 | CIA-2 | GPLib: 03JeffM2501 * r42 10/trunk/GPLib/core/src/gpFile.cpp: when walking dirs and files be sure to return standard paths, not native ones, so they can mix with virtual file paths. |
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| 23:21.54 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r16267 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/configure.ac: Build with SDL_Image, if required |
| 23:34.09 | JeffM | required? |
| 23:34.44 | JeffM | requiring it is a bad thing |
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| 23:42.12 | Tupone | yeah, I saw that there is no "require" there |
| 23:42.31 | Tupone | I should have written "found" |
| 23:42.56 | JeffM | ahh |
| 23:43.04 | JeffM | honestly you can just pull it |
| 23:43.08 | JeffM | there is 0 reason to even use it |
| 23:43.58 | JeffM | you can't use formats other then PNG to be compatable with other clients, and it offers nothing over our PNG reader |
| 23:44.39 | Tupone | I will put an if in configure, to not use it, unless explicitly asked |
| 23:44.57 | JeffM | why not just pull it? |
| 23:45.10 | Tupone | dunno who /why added it |
| 23:45.20 | JeffM | trepan did cus at the time our png reader had issues |
| 23:45.27 | JeffM | our reader has since been fixed |
| 23:45.49 | JeffM | he wanted to play with animated textures too |
| 23:45.59 | Tupone | but why we have "our" reader, when we could use a library? |
| 23:46.08 | JeffM | dependency |
| 23:46.15 | JeffM | and that lib isn't easy to build on all OSs |
| 23:46.19 | JeffM | ligPNG has problems |
| 23:46.28 | Tupone | last answer I like more |
| 23:46.48 | JeffM | our lib works for what we need, works well and is very portable |
| 23:46.52 | Tupone | dependency reason I don't like as an answer |
| 23:47.05 | JeffM | libPNG is a pain to use |
| 23:47.42 | JeffM | if we do want to go with a lib I'd want to look at more then just the one from SDL |
| 23:48.10 | JeffM | best to get one that can do more complex operations such as composting so we can make fast runtime generated textures |
| 23:48.19 | Tupone | I want to go all with lib. Saving in maintenance and in memory (if they are shared) |
| 23:48.30 | JeffM | memory? |
| 23:48.38 | JeffM | as in size of the source download? |
| 23:48.41 | JeffM | or runtime ram use? |
| 23:48.55 | Tupone | if you use a library that is already used. Not a custom one |
| 23:49.14 | JeffM | I an unserstand the maintenance idea |
| 23:49.16 | Tupone | so runtime ram usage |
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| 23:49.36 | JeffM | I'm not sure that saves much at all |
| 23:49.40 | JeffM | if any on some OSs |
| 23:50.09 | Tupone | If OS is smart, and code is PIC, we can save |
| 23:50.23 | JeffM | I don't belive windows works that way |
| 23:50.28 | JeffM | but I may not be correct |
| 23:50.33 | Tupone | I never said windows is smart |
| 23:50.38 | Tupone | :) |
| 23:50.43 | JeffM | windows is the major client OS ;) |
| 23:50.51 | Tupone | not here :) |
| 23:50.52 | JeffM | so you just want to make my job harder ;) |
| 23:51.23 | JeffM | I mean average based on the reports I've seen |
| 23:51.47 | Tupone | coming back to SDL_Image, if is hard to make it work, we can drop it |
| 23:51.54 | JeffM | I'm just saying if we go to a lib ( I'm not adverse to it ) that we get the best lib and maybe pick up some features. |
| 23:52.01 | Tupone | My comment about library is just general |
| 23:52.17 | JeffM | it's not that it's hard to make it work, it's that unless EVERY client uses it, it's pointless. |
| 23:53.11 | JeffM | the only features it has over our native image reader is that it supports inerlaced PNG, JPEG, GIF and TIFF |
| 23:53.17 | JeffM | none of those our stuff can read |
| 23:53.49 | JeffM | so if somone builds a map using those formats because it works on their client, it's bad becuase it won't' work on all clients. |
| 23:53.50 | Tupone | while maybe we "should" read. Maybe not the best library |
| 23:53.57 | JeffM | maybe |
| 23:54.07 | JeffM | but that needs dicussion |
| 23:54.09 | JeffM | gif sucks |
| 23:54.12 | JeffM | tiff is huge |
| 23:54.13 | L4m3r | well, it's too late now anyway |
| 23:54.21 | L4m3r | "P |
| 23:54.32 | L4m3r | well, not for 3.0, but you know what I mean |
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| 23:55.46 | JeffM | and png gets us lossless comrepssion over jpeg |
| 23:56.01 | JeffM | so I can't see any reason to go with other formats |
| 23:56.21 | JeffM | an animated image format maybe, but that's part of larger graphical features. |
| 23:56.24 | JeffM | not just a lib thing |
| 23:56.40 | L4m3r | isn't there an animated png format now too? |
| 23:56.44 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:56.58 | JeffM | that's what I'd like to do, extend our png reader, and make it out to be it's own lib |
| 23:57.04 | JeffM | and submit that to the linuxes :) |
| 23:57.15 | JeffM | cus our png code is prety slick to use compared to libPNG |
| 23:57.44 | Tupone | why not join the libPNG developer and see if our proposed changes fit? |
| 23:58.02 | JeffM | because i'd like to make it have GL bindings and stuff, and be a game type lib |
| 23:58.07 | JeffM | but that's probable |
| 23:58.17 | JeffM | I'm not sure they'd want to change the way they work |
| 23:58.25 | JeffM | part of libPNGs problem is just the way it's called and writen |
| 23:58.45 | JeffM | there is no simple "Give me the info and data for this image" call |