| 00:03.18 | randomparticle | well, the SDLmain.m in the bzflag src, and the one in the SDL .12 src are not identical |
| 00:03.26 | randomparticle | should they be? |
| 00:03.35 | randomparticle | are both needed? |
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| 00:05.03 | Constitution | are the SDLMain.m from bzflag and the one from SDL .11 identical? |
| 00:05.08 | randomparticle | no :) |
| 00:06.58 | randomparticle | there two files are the same in .12 and .11 though |
| 00:07.06 | randomparticle | at least, they are here |
| 00:07.12 | randomparticle | so maybe that's the problem |
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| 00:25.00 | nurdc0re | i don't suppose there are any developers around who can help me compile bzflag? |
| 00:25.20 | Constitution | there are many |
| 00:25.30 | nurdc0re | for joy |
| 00:25.52 | nurdc0re | now, how about if i am using mac os 10.5.1? |
| 00:26.40 | Constitution | building bzflag on Leopard is problematic right now, I believe |
| 00:26.56 | nurdc0re | yeah, that's my experience so far |
| 00:27.20 | nurdc0re | any suggestions you can give me, or is there any feedback i can give you? |
| 00:28.33 | Constitution | I'm not aware of any developers that are presently running Leopard, so we would be groping in the dark for the most part |
| 00:28.47 | Constitution | Do you need to compile yourself, rather than use a pre-built binary? |
| 00:29.01 | nurdc0re | considering there are no pre-built binaries on the website, yes |
| 00:29.36 | Constitution | there will be one soon |
| 00:29.46 | nurdc0re | mmmm, i see |
| 00:30.12 | Constitution | try this: http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.x/MacOSX/BZFlag-2.0.10.dmg |
| 00:30.20 | Constitution | please let us know how it works |
| 00:31.15 | nurdc0re | will do |
| 00:31.31 | Winny | FYI, 2.0.10RC3 works on my mac |
| 00:31.33 | Winny | leopard |
| 00:31.50 | Constitution | can you try that build too? |
| 00:31.59 | Constitution | just to be sure |
| 00:33.00 | randomparticle | works fine here, too, winny, because i've used sdl 1.2.11 |
| 00:33.20 | randomparticle | i've been running it for weeks without any noticeable issues |
| 00:34.49 | nurdc0re | the build works just fine |
| 00:35.04 | nurdc0re | i used to play a couple years back, so i thought i would return to the game :) |
| 00:35.29 | Constitution | cool |
| 00:35.29 | nurdc0re | pretty big binary though |
| 00:35.37 | Constitution | are you on a ppc or intel mac? |
| 00:35.42 | nurdc0re | intel |
| 00:35.47 | Winny | goodie |
| 00:36.06 | Constitution | Winny: no, that means we still lack a PPC Leopard tester :P |
| 00:36.14 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:36.14 | randomparticle | 20 |
| 00:36.22 | Winny | whodaman- has a PPC |
| 00:36.24 | Winny | so does met |
| 00:36.54 | Winny | god, I can't wait for my extra gb of RAM for the macbook... it'll get so much faster |
| 00:38.51 | Winny | whoa, the binary is 170mb?! |
| 00:39.26 | Constitution | yep |
| 00:39.36 | Winny | are all the libs packed with it or something? |
| 00:39.44 | Constitution | didn't strip symbols, and it's a unibin |
| 00:41.01 | spldart | OMG... I didn't know they were doin AvP-R |
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| 01:11.22 | Winny | Merry fishmas. |
| 01:14.03 | Macrosoft | Winny: wha? |
| 01:14.17 | Winny | fishmas! |
| 01:17.57 | Macrosoft | ~lart Winny for not updating the map yet |
| 01:17.57 | ibot | stabs Winny for not updating the map yet |
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| 01:23.35 | JeffM | have I mentioned how much I LOVE installing windows? |
| 01:23.52 | Macrosoft | JeffM: which version? |
| 01:23.53 | Winny | JeffM: oh yeah, so much fun |
| 01:24.09 | Winny | it's like pulling teeth. |
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| 01:28.18 | JeffM | XP |
| 01:28.22 | JeffM | Winny, no it's easy |
| 01:28.27 | JeffM | I just don't want to keep doing it |
| 01:28.45 | JeffM | there is no way I can trust my old install now that I know I have old ram |
| 01:28.55 | JeffM | linux would have had the same problem |
| 01:29.05 | JeffM | you can't trust an install that is done with bad ram |
| 01:29.40 | JeffM | so I'd be re-installing linux again |
| 01:30.43 | Winny | fun |
| 01:30.54 | Winny | I had to reinstall windows about 3 times this summer |
| 01:31.01 | Winny | HDD fails, whee |
| 01:31.39 | Winny | WD drive after 2 years :/ |
| 01:32.42 | Winny | booo hisss |
| 01:33.11 | rob1n | seagate barracudas are great |
| 01:34.09 | Macrosoft | Winny: the only piece of hardware i have that acts up is my mobo that likes to report error codes that dont exist :/ |
| 01:38.29 | Winny | JeffM: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11863 you put "IP" insted of "ISP", might wanna change that so you don't confuse the new playeers in that thread |
| 01:39.23 | JeffM | heh |
| 01:39.27 | JeffM | thanks |
| 01:39.34 | JeffM | tho Internet Provider could work |
| 01:39.40 | JeffM | ISP is more cannonical |
| 01:39.55 | Winny | IP can also mean IP address to some ;) |
| 01:40.13 | JeffM | or Intelectual Property |
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| 02:06.01 | TD-Linux | I'm seeing IP used as Intellectual Property a lot more lately |
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| 04:23.38 | awilcox | shoot |
| 04:23.44 | awilcox | I was hoping regcomp was the problem |
| 04:52.26 | brlcad | awilcox: do you have the latest libcurl? |
| 04:52.37 | brlcad | and more importantly, if you compile with curl disabled, do you still see the problem |
| 04:52.54 | brlcad | same with ares support too |
| 04:53.10 | awilcox | brlcad: it no likey my libares, so it made its own |
| 04:53.27 | awilcox | I have the Debian-latest version. |
| 04:53.33 | awilcox | probably not the actual version |
| 04:53.47 | awilcox | brlcad: the scary part is, you know exactly what I'm talking about :p |
| 04:54.20 | brlcad | hm, the curl part is more important than ares |
| 04:54.24 | awilcox | okay |
| 04:54.49 | awilcox | package: libcurl3 installed Version: 7.15.5-1 |
| 04:55.11 | brlcad | ~apt libcurl3 |
| 04:55.45 | awilcox | I installed it about 30 hours ago. |
| 04:55.52 | awilcox | ~info libcurl3 |
| 04:56.03 | awilcox | hmm, I don't remember how the bot works |
| 04:56.24 | Constitution | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.29 | awilcox | I am :P |
| 05:09.12 | Constitution | BZBB admins: am I alone in finding some of SirIchBeenCool's posts to be rather rude and abrasive? I don't want to make a big deal about one or two incidents, but he seems to have been rather nasty to other players on more than one occasion recently. |
| 05:09.40 | Constitution | for instance, http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=117903#117903 , http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=118062#118062 , http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=118243#118243 |
| 05:12.13 | brlcad | awilcox: that sounds vaguely like the buggy version I recall having the problem |
| 05:14.28 | brlcad | awilcox: if you're on head, try --enable-curl-build |
| 05:15.03 | awilcox | okay |
| 05:15.34 | awilcox | brlcad: hopefully you will be here for 51 mins while this sucker recompiles? |
| 05:17.39 | awilcox | hahahaha, "checking for closesocket... no; checking deeper for closesocket... but still no" |
| 05:19.51 | brlcad | mebbie |
| 05:31.17 | awilcox | Elapsed time since configuration: 13 minutes, 3 seconds |
| 05:31.17 | awilcox | Elapsed compilation time: 11 minutes, 29 seconds |
| 05:31.23 | awilcox | O_O Wow. ccache ftw. |
| 05:32.18 | brlcad | did it say in the configure summary that it was going to compile curl? |
| 05:34.18 | awilcox | brlcad >_> I didn't look. and it's scrolled *way* off screen |
| 05:34.26 | awilcox | I can, however, tell you that it decided to segfault. |
| 05:35.32 | awilcox | brlcad: is there a way to check? |
| 05:36.12 | awilcox | ah ha |
| 05:36.20 | awilcox | brlcad: there are .o files in other/curl/src |
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| 05:36.55 | awilcox | I believe I also saw it doing something during make install in curl. is that good enough? |
| 05:37.05 | awilcox | can I say it's the motd code instead of curl's fault now? :P |
| 05:49.42 | brlcad | not yet |
| 05:49.49 | brlcad | ldd src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 05:50.06 | brlcad | er, file src/bzflag/bzflag first |
| 05:50.26 | brlcad | if it's the binary, then ldd, otherwise ldd src/bzflag/.libs/bzflag |
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| 09:15.27 | lepoulpe304 | L4m3r: ping ? |
| 09:15.35 | L4m3r | Yes? |
| 09:16.26 | lepoulpe304 | are you still working on inter-server communication ? |
| 09:16.33 | L4m3r | Not really |
| 09:16.41 | L4m3r | not over IRC, anyway |
| 09:16.50 | lepoulpe304 | k |
| 09:17.01 | awilcox | wow |
| 09:17.03 | lepoulpe304 | because i have an ugly non elegant way to perform it |
| 09:17.12 | awilcox | what an interesting message-of-the-day |
| 09:17.13 | awilcox | <br />\n<b>Warning</b>: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'mysql4-b' (110) in <b>/home/groups/b/bz/bzflag/htdocs/document.php</b> on line <b>5</b><br />\n<br />\n |
| 09:25.15 | lepoulpe304 | so if any admin by any feature like : link 2 or more servers (allowing communication between players of these servers), remote control server through irc or jabber, there are thi,gs that can be done |
| 09:27.55 | awilcox | Remote control could bring in exploits. |
| 09:28.27 | awilcox | You need to _throughly_ check your buffers and ensure validity of input if you want server owners to even _consider_ remote control. |
| 09:28.30 | lepoulpe304 | no fun without danger, mate |
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| 09:29.52 | awilcox | anyways, goodnight all |
| 09:30.00 | awilcox | may go bug hunting more tomorrow ;) |
| 09:30.30 | awilcox | and brlcad, when you read this, compiling curl didn't help, so I'm going to continue my tests with the new version stuff commented out |
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| 17:03.35 | mocker | Anyone know Tim's IRC nick? |
| 17:05.13 | gsnedders | mocker: TimRicker |
| 17:05.30 | mocker | gsnedders: Tricky. :P |
| 17:06.08 | ruskie | *yawn* |
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| 17:12.43 | ruskie | mmm tasty |
| 17:12.57 | gsnedders | :P |
| 17:13.25 | scott | ! |
| 17:13.56 | spldart | Yikes |
| 17:15.23 | ruskie | don't put extremities near me or you risk losing them... |
| 17:15.46 | gsnedders | yeah, I feel foul of that a while ago |
| 17:15.54 | scott | well, it was only a dirty sock... |
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| 17:49.44 | spldart | Fare thee well |
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| 19:05.30 | brlcad | wow, that restart time is massive |
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| 19:31.25 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16265 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/TODO: test cia 2 |
| 19:31.33 | brlcad | yay |
| 19:42.10 | brlcad | takes cia like 20 minutes to fully restart |
| 19:42.37 | purple_cow | well, it is trying to connect to several hundred IRC channels |
| 19:42.48 | purple_cow | did you check file descriptors? |
| 19:42.55 | brlcad | the who? |
| 19:43.01 | brlcad | :) |
| 19:43.36 | brlcad | check them for what? |
| 19:44.11 | brlcad | I did see the open file list a few days ago, lsof has a disturbing delay at several points |
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| 22:41.56 | TimRiker | http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/45019/37A4F10F2697 |
| 22:43.52 | polydektes | hah hah linkedin says it doesnt spam |
| 22:43.58 | polydektes | of course it does |
| 22:44.06 | polydektes | why else get your email address? |
| 22:48.54 | TimRiker | I get invite requests, and updates from linked in friends, but that's because I asked for them. |
| 22:49.14 | TimRiker | I'd agree that they don't spam. They will use your email to do a password change if you request it. |
| 22:49.47 | TimRiker | but whatever. use it or don't. no skin off my nose. :) |
| 22:50.56 | *** topic/#bzflag by TimRiker -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/#bzflag || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || 2.0.10 is out. || http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/45019/37A4F10F2697 |
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| 23:03.01 | polydektes | roger that |
| 23:13.34 | TimRiker | Do we have a bzflag title image without the version flag? |
| 23:15.24 | JeffM | we can make one |
| 23:15.31 | JeffM | well saturos can make one |
| 23:15.42 | JeffM | or I can give you a variant of the newish one |
| 23:16.09 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/bzlogo/BZHeader-JM.png |
| 23:16.18 | JeffM | now with more moon |
| 23:17.56 | CBG | Did I hear right? BZ is skipping 2.2, straight to 3.0 ? |
| 23:18.38 | JeffM | that's the plan |
| 23:18.44 | JeffM | turnt he major into the protocoll |
| 23:18.46 | AAA_Awright | <_< |
| 23:18.52 | CBG | I see. |
| 23:18.56 | JeffM | instead of an arbitrary value |
| 23:19.22 | JeffM | it helps solve a couple problems we found with the old system, and convinently works with our last 2 proto breaks |
| 23:19.36 | CBG | so in future there will just be 3.0, 3.2, 3.4... 4.0, 4.2 ...? |
| 23:19.45 | JeffM | thats the idea |
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| 23:19.56 | JeffM | then we can use the last number for smaller updates |
| 23:20.03 | CBG | Cool. |
| 23:20.08 | JeffM | like additional pataches, rebuilds, betas, etc.. |
| 23:20.13 | AAA_Awright | Another change in numbering... |
| 23:20.31 | JeffM | so like an RC for 3.2.0 would be 3.1.50 say |
| 23:20.43 | JeffM | that way we can make them all difrent with out pulling letters into it |
| 23:22.20 | JeffM | brlcad, wrote up a nice document on it at, http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_Version_Numbers for those that care |
| 23:22.36 | JeffM | yeah TimRiker we figured you'd be ok as long as it went up and worked with the debian :) |
| 23:23.09 | JeffM | TimRiker, for the image, I can ask saturos to make you one, or I can pull the version out of that other one that winny came up with |
| 23:40.48 | TimRiker | no rush. I used the 2.0.10 image squashed for the linkin group. it'll due. |
| 23:43.10 | TimRiker | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Versions does not really say it all. |
| 23:43.39 | JeffM | oh that's as big as it is? |
| 23:43.42 | TimRiker | in the dev world ie: current 2.1 2.1.0 and 2.1.60 are not at all likely to be version compatible. |
| 23:44.02 | TimRiker | that _why_ the major number is _not_ the network version number. |
| 23:44.15 | JeffM | that's what we are changing |
| 23:44.25 | TimRiker | cause the network code changes _often_ in dev. how are you planning to change that? |
| 23:44.38 | JeffM | dev for a major is a special case |
| 23:44.40 | JeffM | 2.99.x |
| 23:44.57 | JeffM | but talk to brlcad about it he has more of the details |
| 23:45.06 | JeffM | I just stated my problems with the current system |
| 23:45.07 | TimRiker | which means version 2.99.x which is network compatible with 2.0.0 |
| 23:45.14 | JeffM | as I said it's special |
| 23:45.23 | JeffM | maybe we need 4 numbers |
| 23:45.28 | JeffM | I'd be ok with ether |
| 23:45.36 | TimRiker | hard wiring the network version to the major version is _not_ a good idea. |
| 23:45.37 | JeffM | I just know that we dn't have enough "room" now |
| 23:45.43 | JeffM | then talk it out with him :) |
| 23:58.21 | TimRiker | the only issue I see at present is that there's no clear indication that 2.1.x is a RC or not. |
| 23:59.15 | TimRiker | and experience shows that even if it is thought to be a release candidate and named as such, there's _still_ no clear indication that it actually is a releaase candidate. :) |
