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| 02:21.34 | spldart | A Muffin! |
| 02:23.32 | ViciousM | yep. |
| 02:29.59 | Winny | ViciousM: BZPod? |
| 02:31.53 | AAA_Awright | ~git |
| 02:32.15 | Winny | this guy has tons of useless stuff in his sig... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=22919 |
| 02:32.25 | ViciousM | Winny: Hopefully, this weekend. |
| 02:33.17 | AAA_Awright | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=117935#117935 |
| 02:33.34 | Winny | yeah |
| 02:33.40 | AAA_Awright | That code wasn't there a week ago. |
| 02:33.41 | ViciousM | ..uselessness? |
| 02:33.44 | [dmp] | AAA_Awright: youtube got a video with Linus about git, somewhere (i have no link). It was a google-talk |
| 02:34.09 | AAA_Awright | [dmp]: Yah, I saw that, that is where I learned about it. Really cool. |
| 02:34.33 | AAA_Awright | ViciousM: It says "# Really sorts!". It is obviously useful :p |
| 02:35.29 | Winny | "# Really sucks!" |
| 02:36.04 | Winny | (in the sense of it taking 3 inches of screen space) |
| 02:36.28 | AAA_Awright | ~git is a distributed version control system that aims to be the exact opposite of CVS. See http://git.or.cz/. |
| 02:36.30 | ibot | ACTION declares is a distributed version control system that aims to be the exact opposite of CVS. See http://git.or.cz/. a total smeghead |
| 02:36.44 | AAA_Awright | Hey |
| 02:36.50 | AAA_Awright | ~git |
| 02:37.03 | Winny | heh |
| 02:37.13 | AAA_Awright | ibot: :p |
| 02:37.14 | Winny | it needs to be ~git is <reply> |
| 02:37.21 | Winny | err |
| 02:37.29 | Winny | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.29 | ibot | ACTION declares is <reply> your message a total smeghead |
| 02:37.33 | AAA_Awright | that is if you don't want the "git is" prefix |
| 02:37.44 | AAA_Awright | ~git |
| 02:37.49 | Winny | then add it after the <reply> .. |
| 02:38.10 | AAA_Awright | ibot: git is a distributed version control system that aims to be the exact opposite of CVS. See http://git.or.cz/. |
| 02:38.11 | ibot | ACTION declares is a distributed version control system that aims to be the exact opposite of CVS. See http://git.or.cz/. a total smeghead |
| 02:38.18 | AAA_Awright | ~git |
| 02:38.20 | AAA_Awright | hm. |
| 02:39.03 | Winny | ~git AAA_Awright |
| 02:39.04 | ibot | ACTION declares AAA_Awright a total smeghead |
| 02:39.15 | AAA_Awright | do'h |
| 02:39.20 | Winny | har har |
| 02:39.32 | AAA_Awright | ~giot |
| 02:39.33 | ibot | Generic channel transformation for Tcl. URL: http://www.purl.org/NET/akupries/soft/giot/ |
| 02:39.36 | AAA_Awright | ~git |
| 02:39.49 | Winny | AAA_Awright... |
| 02:39.49 | AAA_Awright | ~git me |
| 02:39.50 | ibot | ACTION declares aaa_awright a total smeghead |
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| 02:44.16 | ViciousM | ~git you |
| 02:44.17 | ibot | ACTION declares you a total smeghead |
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| 02:50.16 | AAA_Awright | ~git ibot |
| 02:50.17 | ibot | ACTION declares ibot a total smeghead |
| 02:50.24 | AAA_Awright | ~git itself |
| 02:50.25 | ibot | ACTION declares itself a total smeghead |
| 02:50.28 | sigonasr2 | lol |
| 02:50.44 | Macrosoft | ~botabuse |
| 02:50.45 | ibot | i guess botabuse is fun |
| 02:51.08 | ViciousM | lol |
| 02:51.37 | spldart | ~Jelly_wig is an individual spouting nonsensical statments and acting in a generally silly way. |
| 02:51.38 | ibot | spldart: okay |
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| 02:51.44 | JeffM | botpark it |
| 02:52.10 | AAA_Awright | #botpark |
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| 03:13.42 | spldart | ~Jelly_wig |
| 03:13.42 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, jelly_wig is an individual spouting nonsensical statments and acting in a generally silly way. |
| 03:13.52 | spldart | ;-) |
| 03:15.15 | spldart | On Second thought... Let's not go there. Tis a silly place. |
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| 03:31.54 | AAA_Awright | ~zombie |
| 03:31.54 | ibot | Library and server for developing networked apps/games.. URL: http://www.infa.abo.fi/~chakie/zombie/ |
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| 13:54.48 | jftsang | Hi, how do you get an object to spin around? (ref MofoHell) |
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| 15:07.11 | Tedius | jftsang: http://my.bzflag.org/w/DrawInfo |
| 15:07.34 | jftsang | Tedius: is that what you used with your map? |
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| 15:08.01 | whodaman- | jftsang, the pacman? |
| 15:08.06 | jftsang | yah |
| 15:08.08 | whodaman- | If so, yes. |
| 15:08.11 | Tedius | yep |
| 15:08.16 | whodaman- | :) |
| 15:09.33 | Tedius | if you want textures to spin: texture matrix, if you want tanks to spin: physics, if you want mesh to spin: DrawInfo |
| 15:10.29 | jftsang | what about sphere objects? |
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| 15:23.34 | Tedius | jftsang: http://my.bzflag.org/w/TextureMatrix you'll need to add shift and fixedscale I think |
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| 15:33.56 | jftsang | Tedius: nope, don't get it :-( |
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| 16:41.24 | tulcod | allowplayer event is for things like banned users? |
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| 17:57.01 | ruskie | hmm Manu Pimpi_ something odd with viper... constant lag and loss accross the board |
| 17:57.54 | JeffM | it's a new feature we added |
| 17:57.55 | JeffM | autosuck |
| 17:58.01 | ruskie | lol |
| 17:58.06 | JeffM | any time a game gets good, we artificaly increase the lag |
| 17:58.18 | JeffM | it's based on our patented intelesuck technology |
| 17:58.26 | ruskie | lol |
| 17:58.30 | ruskie | actually it was getting worse |
| 17:58.35 | ruskie | with red quitters... |
| 17:58.40 | JeffM | excelent |
| 17:58.51 | JeffM | that means it's gone to level 2 ultrasuck |
| 18:00.13 | ruskie | bad mood or in a comical mood today? |
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| 18:10.51 | Pimpi_ | ruskie: still in autosuck mode? |
| 18:11.02 | JeffM | intelesuck! |
| 18:11.03 | ruskie | I left after that... |
| 18:11.17 | JeffM | soon we'll have a graphical inteface for it |
| 18:11.19 | JeffM | visual suck |
| 18:11.32 | ruskie | partialy |
| 18:11.35 | JeffM | and visual suck 2008 team server edition |
| 18:11.39 | ruskie | but this time global doesn't work as well |
| 18:12.13 | ruskie | there's two ppl with 40% loss |
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| 18:26.36 | Pimpi_ | seems we accidentally installed the netsuck 0.91 internet edition plugin beta too |
| 18:27.08 | ruskie | lol |
| 18:27.17 | jh` | is there something going on in dub servers? i cant connect |
| 18:27.50 | jh` | updates or something |
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| 18:29.17 | KTL | netsuck: "fast automated download of *every* file from the net." :D |
| 18:30.40 | ts | Pimpi_: Looks almost good..http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m5eaeae87 |
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| 18:35.19 | ts | Pimpi_: Here are some mtr stats: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m4350710c |
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| 18:51.03 | Manu | Pimpi_: :) |
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| 19:37.38 | tulcod | JeffM: hey. what are the following events for: allowplayer, tick, getworld, getplayerinfo? |
| 19:37.57 | tulcod | JeffM: allow player is to let the plugin decide bannedness at player entrance? |
| 19:38.10 | tulcod | JeffM: tick is... a certain interval? |
| 19:38.18 | tulcod | JeffM: getworld is for world settings, I guess? |
| 19:38.29 | tulcod | JeffM: getplayerinfo is used when another user requests info? |
| 19:44.39 | Thumper_ | tick tends to be 3 seconds but it can vary |
| 19:44.56 | tulcod | Thumper_: but it's a constant interval? |
| 19:45.09 | Thumper_ | it can be changed at runtime by plugins |
| 19:45.20 | tulcod | Thumper_: hm... so what is it used for? |
| 19:46.22 | Thumper_ | to initiate code that does something and wants to respond quickly to things that are not triggered by events |
| 19:47.22 | Thumper_ | such as the serverControl plugin monitoring a bantile mtime that could have been changed by another process |
| 19:47.36 | L4m3r | um, when players are on a server, ticks become very very frequent |
| 19:48.20 | L4m3r | but it's easy to skip ticks so that you only run something every N seconds, or whatever |
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| 20:21.14 | tulcod | but.. the rest of what I said was ok, then? |
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| 20:38.08 | tulcod | k, nvm |
| 20:38.09 | tulcod | found it already |
| 20:48.24 | JeffM | tick depends on what the current smallest tick wait time is |
| 20:52.24 | JeffM | getWorld is for more then just world settings |
| 20:52.43 | JeffM | a plug-in can define world geometry or overide the map file. |
| 20:53.45 | JeffM | thank you for using the trunk structures tulcod |
| 20:58.49 | tulcod | JeffM: :) |
| 20:59.37 | JeffM | but your info on some stuff is generaly wrong |
| 20:59.46 | JeffM | or not sufficient |
| 20:59.48 | tulcod | oh? |
| 20:59.56 | tulcod | well |
| 21:00.03 | tulcod | I'll look at the quality of the explanation |
| 21:00.05 | tulcod | later |
| 21:00.26 | tulcod | (that's not a "bye" "later", I just pressed enter at the wrong moment ;)) |
| 21:00.50 | JeffM | can you do me a favor and add {{API_Docs_that_need_work}} to the top of all the ones you do |
| 21:00.59 | JeffM | so we can find them and review them later |
| 21:01.03 | tulcod | JeffM: {{Stub}}, maybe/ |
| 21:01.07 | JeffM | no |
| 21:01.09 | tulcod | k |
| 21:01.14 | JeffM | because they are not stubs |
| 21:01.17 | JeffM | we have a tag for them |
| 21:01.21 | tulcod | well, sort of ;) |
| 21:01.24 | JeffM | no |
| 21:01.28 | JeffM | they have info, it's just wrong |
| 21:01.32 | JeffM | a stub has no info |
| 21:01.35 | JeffM | or limited info |
| 21:05.18 | JeffM | such as GetWorldEvent is NOT a notification event |
| 21:05.48 | tulcod | JeffM: then the name is kinda confusing |
| 21:05.53 | tulcod | I'll edit it |
| 21:05.56 | JeffM | I'm fixing it |
| 21:06.05 | tulcod | k |
| 21:06.08 | JeffM | the event is asking the plugin for the world |
| 21:06.13 | JeffM | hence "get" |
| 21:06.17 | JeffM | "Get me the world" |
| 21:06.31 | tulcod | yes, but "get" functions generally are not used for modifying data |
| 21:06.36 | tulcod | that is, afaic |
| 21:06.51 | JeffM | that's why it's not a function |
| 21:06.55 | JeffM | it's an event ;) |
| 21:07.23 | tulcod | JeffM: hm, true |
| 21:07.35 | tulcod | JeffM: anyway, I'll add that template thing :) |
| 21:07.42 | tulcod | to the stuff I'll be working on from now ond, that is |
| 21:08.20 | tulcod | JeffM: allowplayer is called at player join time and can be used to let plugins decide about things like bannedness, right? |
| 21:10.10 | JeffM | that is not a real word, but yes that is the concept |
| 21:10.49 | tulcod | JeffM: :p |
| 21:10.54 | tulcod | what would be a better term, then? |
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| 21:11.21 | JeffM | "this allows a plug-in to allow or deny a player based on it's own logic" |
| 21:11.26 | JeffM | it is NOT a ban |
| 21:11.30 | JeffM | it does not go into the ban list |
| 21:11.36 | JeffM | it is not tied to the ban system at all |
| 21:11.42 | JeffM | it can be used to make a ban system |
| 21:11.51 | JeffM | if you always deny constatnly |
| 21:12.07 | JeffM | but if the critera is something fluid like server load, it's simpley a temporary deny |
| 21:12.08 | tulcod | JeffM: heh, I've described it differently anyway, don't worry |
| 21:12.15 | tulcod | but I just wondered if there's a proper term |
| 21:12.25 | tulcod | "The '''bz_eAllowPlayer''' is an API event that is called each time [[bzfs]] wants to know whether a user should be allowed to enter the game." |
| 21:12.28 | JeffM | when documenting the API you are not telling people how to use the API |
| 21:12.33 | JeffM | you are telling them what it does |
| 21:13.14 | JeffM | that is called each time a player joins to allow a plug-in to overide the servers allow or deny choice |
| 21:13.21 | JeffM | the event can also be use to allow a banned user |
| 21:13.27 | JeffM | you're only thinking of it one way |
| 21:14.07 | tulcod | k |
| 21:14.51 | tulcod | "The '''bz_eAllowPlayer''' is an API event that is called each time [[bzfs]] wants to know whether a user should be allowed to enter the game and will allow a plugin to override the ban list." |
| 21:15.03 | JeffM | bzfs is not a person |
| 21:15.07 | tulcod | argh |
| 21:15.08 | tulcod | ok |
| 21:15.09 | JeffM | it dosn't want to know |
| 21:15.13 | tulcod | heh |
| 21:15.15 | JeffM | it knows what it's going to do |
| 21:15.27 | JeffM | it is calling the event to allow other logic to overide the choice |
| 21:15.38 | JeffM | and again it has nothing to do with the ban list |
| 21:17.00 | tulcod | JeffM: well, the ban list has a substitutional function, right? |
| 21:17.13 | JeffM | sure but it's not part of that event |
| 21:17.21 | JeffM | the event happens after all other logic |
| 21:17.28 | JeffM | the ban list is part of that logic |
| 21:17.33 | JeffM | but not tied to this event |
| 21:18.01 | tulcod | exactly |
| 21:18.12 | JeffM | so you dont' need to mention the ban list |
| 21:18.23 | JeffM | since that is only one of the logics |
| 21:18.28 | JeffM | and that logic may change later |
| 21:18.31 | JeffM | and the API won't |
| 21:18.34 | tulcod | JeffM: deal. should I add dots at the end of sentences in tables? |
| 21:18.36 | JeffM | it's just an overide |
| 21:18.44 | JeffM | you mean a period? |
| 21:18.47 | tulcod | yes |
| 21:18.55 | JeffM | are they sentances? |
| 21:19.18 | tulcod | for example |
| 21:19.19 | tulcod | "The IP address of the client which is trying to get into the game" |
| 21:19.24 | tulcod | should it be ended using a period? |
| 21:19.27 | JeffM | what did your english teacher tell you goes at the end of a sentace? |
| 21:19.32 | JeffM | cus that looks like a sentance |
| 21:19.36 | tulcod | JeffM: it's a table, though |
| 21:19.43 | tulcod | and it's not a valid sentence ;) |
| 21:19.46 | JeffM | it's still a sentance |
| 21:19.53 | JeffM | then make it a valid sentace ;) |
| 21:20.05 | JeffM | This value is the IP addres.... |
| 21:20.11 | JeffM | english.... good |
| 21:20.13 | tulcod | :-/ |
| 21:20.40 | tulcod | that's unpractical :p |
| 21:20.40 | JeffM | no it's not |
| 21:20.40 | JeffM | you just don't want to do it |
| 21:20.40 | tulcod | it's useless to do |
| 21:20.40 | JeffM | no it's not |
| 21:20.40 | tulcod | just takes more time |
| 21:20.40 | JeffM | so |
| 21:20.48 | JeffM | there is no rush or time limit |
| 21:21.08 | JeffM | I don't see why you are in such a rush to produce bad documentation |
| 21:21.12 | tulcod | JeffM: you simply have no opinion, do you? |
| 21:21.14 | tulcod | :p |
| 21:21.33 | JeffM | yes I do have an opinon, I want them. It is you who just don't like it. |
| 21:21.49 | tulcod | JeffM: if I could just do some parts of the documentation, at a medium quality, then other users will help me later |
| 21:21.57 | tulcod | JeffM: you're not consistent with it either |
| 21:22.02 | tulcod | check the pages you already reviewed |
| 21:22.06 | JeffM | just because you don't like a statement somone else makes dosn't mean we are automaticly wrong, or pointless |
| 21:22.23 | tulcod | JeffM: I didn't say you're wrong |
| 21:22.28 | JeffM | I never said I was consistent, but I accept that if I miss one, it is a MISTAKE and I fix it. |
| 21:22.42 | tulcod | anyway |
| 21:22.53 | JeffM | you asked if you should use punctuation, I said yes |
| 21:22.59 | JeffM | then you said it was pointless |
| 21:23.09 | JeffM | throwing up in question why you'd even ask that in the first place. |
| 21:25.44 | tulcod | JeffM: no, I meant it was pointless to make every entry in a table a valid sentence |
| 21:25.55 | tulcod | wait, maybe I said the punctuation was pointless indeed |
| 21:26.00 | tulcod | but that's not what I meant ;) |
| 21:26.08 | JeffM | sentances have punction |
| 21:26.24 | tulcod | JeffM: so valid sentences should have a period, and other entries not? |
| 21:26.25 | JeffM | if your going to put a period, then it should be a valid sentance, they are related |
| 21:26.40 | JeffM | descriptions should be valid sentances |
| 21:27.02 | JeffM | what level english are you up to in school? |
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| 21:27.57 | tulcod | JeffM: eh, enough to understand what you said ;) |
| 21:28.26 | JeffM | perhaps you should be concentrating on your schoolwork before you go about taking up a project writing documentation. |
| 21:29.03 | tulcod | :-/ |
| 21:29.08 | JeffM | Bz eGetWorldEvent‎ is fixed |
| 21:34.06 | tulcod | JeffM: getplayerinfoevent can be modified as well? |
| 21:34.40 | tulcod | when's it called anyway? |
| 21:35.38 | JeffM | what does the code tell you? |
| 21:35.54 | JeffM | I mean is this process just going to be you asking me the details of every event and you typing them in? |
| 21:35.57 | JeffM | cus I can type them in |
| 21:36.21 | JeffM | if your not that familiar with the API, then I don't think your qualified to document it, don't you? |
| 21:37.37 | tulcod | seems like you can modify it, according to bzfs.cxx |
| 21:37.57 | tulcod | but only 3 fields |
| 21:37.59 | JeffM | see isn't research fun and rewarding |
| 21:38.22 | tulcod | JeffM: kinda, but this was just boring :p |
| 21:38.34 | JeffM | then why are you doing this? |
| 21:38.52 | tulcod | JeffM: well, some other parts are more interesting to find out |
| 21:38.55 | JeffM | if your docs are just going to have info that is allready in the header, whats the point |
| 21:38.57 | tulcod | so... you kinda are true about that |
| 21:39.10 | JeffM | the header is our primary docs right now |
| 21:39.30 | JeffM | if your just reguritating that into the wiki, and geting it wrong, it's not going to help anyone. |
| 21:39.55 | JeffM | perhaps the best thing for you to do would be to add doxygen style comments to the header |
| 21:40.05 | JeffM | then we can make sure they are coorrect and generate wiki pages from them. |
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| 21:57.46 | tulcod | JeffM: last two new pages any good? |
| 21:59.06 | JeffM | I have not reviewed your last page |
| 21:59.17 | JeffM | but they all have neede some changes |
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| 23:22.24 | Constitution | Mac users: I'm looking for testers for the 2.0.10 binary before it goes final... if anyone can download and try it, I'd be much obliged. http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.x/MacOSX/BZFlag-2.0.10.dmg |
| 23:22.50 | Constitution | I'm SPECIFICALLY looking for Leopard users (Intel & PPC), and Tiger users (PPC). |
| 23:22.57 | Constitution | brlcad, ping |
| 23:23.22 | whodaman- | Constitution, I'm 10.4.11 PPC |
| 23:24.08 | Constitution | cool, that would take care fo the Tiger PPC |
| 23:24.27 | Constitution | *of |
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| 23:29.57 | JeffMFishbone | if anyone sees "lolz" or whatever name he goes under now, please tell him to contat me, if you remember ;) |
| 23:32.10 | brlcad | Constitution: nifty and pong |
| 23:32.34 | whodaman- | Constitution, let me know when you need me |
| 23:32.51 | whodaman- | Works pretty well so far |
| 23:33.04 | Constitution | brlcad: thanks. I've been jumping back and forth between my mom's intel mac and my g3 ibook, so I wasn't able to strip the unibin binaries. Guess that will need to be done before it's released. |
| 23:33.39 | Constitution | whodaman-: yeah just make sure it works... does it say it's a universal app? |
| 23:34.05 | brlcad | Constitution: I'd actually rather the binaries not be stripped |
| 23:34.14 | Constitution | ah, okay then |
| 23:34.17 | brlcad | space isn't really a concern |
| 23:34.25 | JeffMFishbone | and geting a good crash dump is |
| 23:34.29 | brlcad | it's way more useful to have crash reports with the debug symbols intact |
| 23:34.36 | JeffMFishbone | mac's are still not as stable as they should be ;) |
| 23:34.41 | whodaman- | Constitution, yeah looks like it |
| 23:34.48 | Constitution | yeah, so we can get it right for 2.0.12 :P |
| 23:34.54 | Constitution | whodaman-: cool, thanks |
| 23:34.55 | brlcad | it's not the mac that's not stable .. bz's the one that crashes |
| 23:35.04 | JeffMFishbone | yeah sorry I meant bz on mac |
| 23:35.12 | JeffMFishbone | maccode |
| 23:38.35 | whodaman- | brlcad, didn't you say there'd be a new icon for the .dmg ? |
| 23:39.33 | brlcad | whodaman-: I didn't make the dmg, and no I didn't say that |
| 23:39.46 | brlcad | there should be a background though by the time it's final |
| 23:40.14 | whodaman- | Ah, OK |
| 23:41.03 | brlcad | Constitution: it works here on an oct-core mac running 10.4 |
| 23:41.21 | Constitution | cool |
| 23:41.27 | brlcad | dmg wasn't right, though, if you did anything with it |
| 23:41.33 | brlcad | other than being a simple dmg |
| 23:41.47 | Constitution | yeah I just threw it in a standard dmg |
| 23:41.53 | whodaman- | Constitution, works fine here |
| 23:41.55 | Constitution | well, compressed |
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| 23:54.03 | JeffMFishbone | so have some schools just given up untill the end of the year? or just the kids who stay at home? |
| 23:54.38 | JeffMFishbone | the MAF has been rather high lately |
| 23:55.55 | brlcad | ahh, days like today make me love the job |
| 23:56.43 | JeffMFishbone | free beer an cookie dough day again? |
| 23:57.54 | brlcad | not everyone gets to pass an M1A2 beast on the way into work, and then get to play with "property of her britannic majesty's government" |
| 23:58.03 | brlcad | and yes there was free cookies (and pie) too |
| 23:58.09 | JeffMFishbone | heh |