| 00:01.05 | JeffM | wow, his instructons are just way overcomplicated too |
| 00:01.28 | Winny | JeffM: is this the platform SDK? |
| 00:01.28 | Winny | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=A55B6B43-E24F-4EA3-A93E-40C0EC4F68E5&displaylang=en |
| 00:02.33 | JeffM | Winny, you are doing 2008? |
| 00:02.37 | Winny | indeed |
| 00:02.37 | JeffM | or 2005? |
| 00:02.41 | JeffM | then you don't need it |
| 00:02.43 | Winny | ahh |
| 00:02.44 | JeffM | it allready installed it |
| 00:02.51 | JeffM | they include it now |
| 00:02.56 | JeffM | all you need is directX |
| 00:03.02 | Winny | oh, yes, there it is, right in the install box |
| 00:03.16 | JeffM | and then trunk will build with the VC9 stuff just fine |
| 00:03.23 | JeffM | for branch you'll have to do some work |
| 00:03.38 | JeffM | like manualy editing files and stuff |
| 00:03.50 | Winny | branch = 2.0.x? |
| 00:03.54 | JeffM | yes |
| 00:03.58 | Winny | alright |
| 00:04.13 | JeffM | and I don't know exactly what those edits will have to be |
| 00:04.22 | JeffM | since I've only done trunk |
| 00:05.00 | JeffM | and trunk isn't perfect for a debug build ether, some of the PDB sutff is wrong |
| 00:06.09 | Winny | I shall brb, need to restart |
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| 00:10.59 | Winny | yay |
| 00:11.11 | Winny | mscorsvw is compiling stuff and eating my CPU :p |
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| 00:26.31 | Palomides | lol |
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| 00:44.54 | Winny | anyone know if the current 2.2.x SVN should compile? |
| 00:56.11 | Thumper_ | 2.2.x ? you mean 2.99.x? |
| 00:56.39 | Thumper_ | Winny: ^^ |
| 00:56.51 | Winny | err |
| 00:57.15 | Thumper_ | yes it _should_ compile. I build trunk in debug daily |
| 00:57.48 | Thumper_ | if it doesn't compile I'll know in the morning :) |
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| 01:03.39 | Constitution | Plugin authors can release their work while retaining copyright (releasing under LGPL), even though bzfsAPI.h is copyright to Riker, right? |
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| 01:15.31 | Erroneous | Constitution: there are no limitations on plugin licensing. headers are for compatibility only, they do not make whatever uses them a derivative work (just like using glibc headers doesn't make your program a deriviative work of glibc) |
| 01:15.45 | Constitution | alright, thanks |
| 01:15.59 | Erroneous | if they use TextUtils or statically link to PluginUtils or something, that's different |
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| 02:07.21 | spldart | How does a GeForce FX5200 128MB DDR I just picked up used compare to Geforce 6200 A-LE in reguards to gaming... specifically bzflag |
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| 02:09.04 | Macrosoft | spldart: what's the "A-LE"? |
| 02:09.34 | Macrosoft | spldart: i have a 6200 OC, but havent heard of A-LE |
| 02:09.37 | spldart | Dunno... just says that on the box |
| 02:09.59 | spldart | Bought that one @ fry's a bit less than a year ago |
| 02:10.22 | spldart | It's not the most impressive card... my 9800 Pro had more horsepower |
| 02:10.28 | Macrosoft | so you changed from a 6200 to an fx5200? |
| 02:10.50 | spldart | No... trying to get an idea what this used card I picked up measures up @ |
| 02:11.06 | spldart | It will go in another game/multimedia riig I'm building |
| 02:11.28 | Erroneous | 5200 is a much weaker card than the 6200. for bzflag either is fine. |
| 02:11.29 | Macrosoft | ahh, well i could get about 75fps on bzflag with the 6200 |
| 02:12.03 | spldart | That prolly a tiny bit higher than my 6200 is getting on a busy server |
| 02:12.06 | Erroneous | and yeah, the 9800 will beat both of them out considerably in power (but you have to deal with ati's drivers) |
| 02:12.07 | rob1n | heh if you're building a rig specifically for gaming i'd go with the 8800 GT |
| 02:12.36 | spldart | This is a spare parts machine... |
| 02:12.44 | rob1n | ah |
| 02:12.45 | spldart | old used parts |
| 02:12.57 | Erroneous | rob1n: he specifically asked "for bzflag" also |
| 02:13.04 | Erroneous | 8800 for bzflag is freakin' overkill |
| 02:13.12 | spldart | 5200 geforce, ati pci tv tuner, 1 gig ddr 3200, barton 2500 with overclock etc etc |
| 02:13.24 | rob1n | yeah, but a machine made to play bzflag is most likely a far cry from a real gaming rig |
| 02:13.29 | Macrosoft | spldart: what os? |
| 02:13.32 | spldart | I play little to nothing other than bzflag at this time |
| 02:13.35 | spldart | XP and Debian |
| 02:13.41 | spldart | dual boot |
| 02:13.48 | Macrosoft | does the tv tuner work in debian? |
| 02:14.02 | spldart | it could... hauppauge does |
| 02:14.07 | spldart | why? |
| 02:14.14 | Erroneous | rob1n: all depends what you mean by gaming. mame, freeciv and bzflag are games too. not everyone feels the need for crysis :) |
| 02:14.40 | Macrosoft | spldart: just wondering. it would give me an excuse to get this tv of my circuit |
| 02:14.58 | rob1n | Erroneous, heh, even the 8800 GT comes to its knees with Crysis all the way up |
| 02:15.06 | Erroneous | exactly :) |
| 02:15.18 | rob1n | you'd need an 8800 Ultra to really play Crysis well |
| 02:15.20 | rob1n | maybe even 2 of them |
| 02:15.28 | Erroneous | maybe not even then |
| 02:15.32 | rob1n | you have to question the purpose of building a game like that |
| 02:15.44 | rob1n | even the 1% that have SLI'd 8800 Ultras can't play it great |
| 02:15.48 | spldart | Meh... ok... the most I MIGHT play is some unreal tournement or Halo |
| 02:15.48 | Macrosoft | rob1n: 0_o but thats ~$700 each! |
| 02:15.49 | Erroneous | they got plenty of press out of it |
| 02:15.59 | rob1n | Macrosoft, and people also pay $1500 for a processor |
| 02:15.59 | spldart | But 99.75% of the time.. just plain old bzflag |
| 02:16.01 | Winny | rob1n: it has gained press now, so in a year or two everyone with awesome cards will be playing it |
| 02:16.02 | Erroneous | and a year from now, it'll be playable on mainstream cards |
| 02:16.13 | rob1n | Erroneous, but then better games will have come |
| 02:16.14 | Winny | and they will think they're l33t, since when they first heard of it it was for awesome PCs |
| 02:16.20 | Erroneous | there are better games now |
| 02:16.55 | rob1n | and even if your graphics card can take Crysis, your processor becomes the bottleneck |
| 02:17.26 | rob1n | i'm buying a Core 2 Duo 3.0 GHz and 8800 GT system soon |
| 02:17.38 | rob1n | should last me about a year ;) |
| 02:17.38 | spldart | meh.... I've decided to build around an OC'd barton @ 2.4ghz instead of a P4 @ 2.4.... |
| 02:18.07 | inchworm | rob1n: how much are you thinking the end result will cost? |
| 02:18.15 | rob1n | inchworm, about $2000 |
| 02:18.16 | Macrosoft | rob1n: doing somewhat the same: core 2 duo 3GHz with 8800gts ssc |
| 02:18.24 | inchworm | eek |
| 02:18.29 | rob1n | Macrosoft, don't go GTS. whatever you do. |
| 02:18.38 | Macrosoft | rob1n: why? |
| 02:18.40 | rob1n | Macrosoft, just go GT. it's *much* better |
| 02:18.48 | rob1n | have you seen the benchmarks? ;) |
| 02:18.52 | rob1n | the GT blows the GTS out of the water |
| 02:18.59 | rob1n | it comes close to matching the GTX |
| 02:19.12 | Erroneous | gts ssc is a different card than the gts, for one thing. still not a good value proposition. |
| 02:19.26 | Macrosoft | rob1n: originally wanted to get an 8800ultra |
| 02:19.39 | rob1n | Macrosoft, so did i. then the cost settled in, heh. |
| 02:19.43 | Macrosoft | but with the price... |
| 02:19.54 | Erroneous | ssc is 112sp (like the gt), not 96sp (like the original gts) |
| 02:20.07 | Macrosoft | it would take me months to save for that |
| 02:20.11 | inchworm | ok, so if i wait till after Christmas.. how much can i save? |
| 02:20.32 | Macrosoft | inchworm: as much as you can |
| 02:20.37 | Macrosoft | ...you'll need it |
| 02:20.42 | inchworm | hehe :) |
| 02:20.56 | rob1n | and you can't even use directx 10 features if you're on XP |
| 02:21.17 | rob1n | might as well buy a 7xxx card, but i'm taking the plunge to vista |
| 02:21.18 | Macrosoft | inchworm: ive already spent about 400, and i only have a case and a motherboard |
| 02:21.25 | inchworm | eeek |
| 02:21.36 | rob1n | Erroneous, yeah, my friend's waiting for 9000 |
| 02:21.41 | inchworm | I already have a case... |
| 02:21.46 | inchworm | and a 400w psu.. |
| 02:21.54 | rob1n | inchworm, 400 isn't going to cut it for many video cards heh |
| 02:22.01 | inchworm | o dear |
| 02:22.23 | rob1n | the directx 10 cards are very power-hungry |
| 02:22.30 | rob1n | ATI's are worse, except for the 3800 |
| 02:22.39 | rob1n | and the 8800's are very long |
| 02:23.01 | inchworm | so i need a PSU for the motherboard and everything and a PSU for the video card... |
| 02:23.06 | Macrosoft | rob1n: but it would fit in an antec 900 |
| 02:23.16 | rob1n | Macrosoft, dunno |
| 02:23.34 | rob1n | even if you can fit it in, you might want to put a few extra fans on there |
| 02:23.36 | Macrosoft | rob1n: others have said they can |
| 02:23.49 | rob1n | most cases shouldn't have any problem |
| 02:24.06 | Macrosoft | rob1n: have four fans so far (3x120mm + 1x200mm) |
| 02:24.35 | Macrosoft | have room and connectors for many more fans |
| 02:24.37 | inchworm | hehe |
| 02:24.53 | inchworm | spldart: don't wake the neighbors up much, do ya? ;) |
| 02:25.13 | spldart | Let's say I have to watch the clock for local noise ordinance |
| 02:25.23 | Macrosoft | spldart: due to cheap as wiring, the circuits here only go up to 15Amps, and im already drawing 12.85 so far |
| 02:25.46 | spldart | hehe |
| 02:27.01 | Macrosoft | spldart: in comparison, a 1.2kW psu would draw all 15A |
| 02:27.22 | Macrosoft | ...so i downgraded my choice to one that only draws 10A |
| 02:27.47 | Macrosoft | ...it puts out 750W |
| 02:29.17 | spldart | Due to RootMeanSquare dictating .707 of consumed power at maximum sinewave output is passed to a loudspeaker and the rest is dissipated as heat by, in this case, a class AB power amp and the inherit losses in the power supply my 1 KW power amp consumes very near 15 amps @ 120 volts and can trip a breaker if not isolated as the only load on a particular circuit |
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| 02:35.17 | spldart | Ok... My junk pyle is yielding me a ECS KM400-M2 mobo, with AMD Barton OC to prolly 2.2. to 2.4 ghz, a total of 1 gig of kingston kvr400, GeForce FX5200 128MB DDR, ATI TV Pci, Airlink wireless card... etc etc |
| 02:36.04 | Macrosoft | spldart: as soon as my bank clears my paycheck, i can buy either the processor or half of the ram for the system |
| 02:36.48 | spldart | Well... a tiny portion of it anyway |
| 02:37.03 | Macrosoft | switch? lan switch? |
| 02:37.45 | spldart | yeah |
| 02:38.06 | Constitution | Christmas bonus a month early, eh? nice |
| 02:38.07 | spldart | lightning nuked some hardware a while back and I hadn't had the money to replace it yet |
| 02:38.13 | spldart | Yep :) |
| 02:38.23 | Macrosoft | i have two wired/wireless routers, so i could use one as a switch if needed |
| 02:39.02 | Macrosoft | running a bz server overheated my old one |
| 02:39.27 | Macrosoft | ...hosted 27/7 for about a week |
| 02:39.33 | Macrosoft | *24/7 |
| 02:39.38 | Macrosoft | bbl |
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| 03:19.55 | Macrosoft | nn64: nintendo 64?!!!one |
| 03:20.43 | nn64 | Help! Im trying to update to bzfs 2.10 and i cant seem to get it working i use all the old settings but it wont show up on the lists what am i missing |
| 03:21.47 | Macrosoft | pastebin the output or something |
| 03:22.15 | Macrosoft | ...so we can see whats going on. also try starting it with -dddd |
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| 03:40.16 | Winny | JeffM: ping |
| 03:40.29 | JeffM | ? |
| 03:40.54 | Winny | any idea what this means? |
| 03:40.57 | Winny | "17>c:\documents and settings\kyle\desktop\bzflag source\2.0.x\src\bzflag\actionbinding.cxx : error C2471: cannot update program database 'c:\documents and settings\kyle\desktop\bzflag source\2.0.x\src\bzflag\debug\vc90.pdb'" |
| 03:47.55 | JeffM | yes |
| 03:48.05 | JeffM | means you have to tell it to do one project at a time |
| 03:48.11 | JeffM | tools options |
| 03:48.15 | JeffM | build something |
| 03:48.20 | JeffM | then you can change 2 to 1 |
| 03:49.50 | JeffM | that's part of what we have to fix for both VC8 and 9 |
| 03:50.47 | Winny | hmm, still getting that error |
| 03:52.06 | JeffM | rebuild all? |
| 03:52.53 | Winny | ah.. |
| 04:03.54 | Winny | Thanks, JeffM |
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| 04:27.22 | JeffM | sure thing |
| 04:29.18 | Winny | I might have to ask you one more thing tommorow if I can't figure it out myself :p |
| 04:30.29 | JeffM | well just know that I"ll be driving a 'wee' bit tomorow |
| 04:30.37 | JeffM | so I won't be on during the main part of the day |
| 04:31.00 | Winny | ok, not like its urgent :) |
| 04:31.14 | JeffM | once I get there I'll be on and off all weekend |
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| 04:44.17 | JeffM | Winny: there is also a high likelyhood of me having enough spare time over the weekend to go and fix the problems to enable multibuild so that may at least get fixed |
| 04:44.25 | JeffM | assuming mass effect dosnt' kill me |
| 04:44.34 | Winny | hehe |
| 04:44.57 | Winny | you ever had problems with removing .idb files? It's been locked to my hdd. |
| 04:45.17 | JeffM | in a debug or release dir? |
| 04:45.31 | Winny | debug |
| 04:45.42 | JeffM | VC still running? |
| 04:45.48 | Winny | nope |
| 04:45.52 | JeffM | reboot |
| 04:46.08 | blast007 | Winny: use KillBox |
| 04:46.24 | Winny | wait, got it |
| 04:46.32 | Winny | VC leaves a process running |
| 04:48.24 | L4m3r | has there been any investigation into the Windows plug-in memory deallocation problem in Vista? |
| 04:48.39 | L4m3r | (is it still a problem?) |
| 04:49.08 | JeffM | depends are you still allocating lists yourself in the plug-in? |
| 04:50.13 | L4m3r | I don't use Vista :P |
| 04:50.39 | JeffM | the advice you gave on the boards |
| 04:50.45 | JeffM | that WILL cause the problem |
| 04:50.47 | L4m3r | yes, I stand corrected |
| 04:50.58 | JeffM | never allocate bz_ structures in the plugin |
| 04:51.08 | JeffM | so if some do that, it'll have issues |
| 04:51.17 | JeffM | but I don't think anyone has vista to debug any other problems |
| 04:51.32 | L4m3r | heh |
| 04:51.57 | L4m3r | if I had thought of it, I'd have downloaded it from seasnet and tried it myself when I formatted my system :P |
| 04:54.29 | L4m3r | it's OK to use STL types in plug-ins, right? |
| 04:54.43 | L4m3r | they just can't be passed to the API? |
| 04:55.55 | JeffM | yeah |
| 04:55.59 | JeffM | just can't cross the barrier |
| 04:56.04 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 04:56.18 | L4m3r | I don't use the bz structures often :P |
| 04:56.27 | L4m3r | they're rather clunky |
| 04:56.41 | JeffM | yeah that's why I went mostly C style, so you can jsut call functions |
| 04:57.11 | AAA_Awright | Why use custom string types and lists? using the stl works fine for me. Well, I do like the string.urlencode function, except it doesn't return a string, it applies urlencode to the current string (fix that!). |
| 04:57.25 | JeffM | AAA_Awright: because you can't send them over the DLL boundry |
| 04:57.31 | JeffM | on windows |
| 04:57.50 | AAA_Awright | Ah. |
| 04:57.53 | L4m3r | part of me REALLY wants to say, "Well screw Windows then, nobody should serve on Windows anyway" |
| 04:58.03 | JeffM | yeah you can do that |
| 04:58.04 | L4m3r | but that wouldn't be nice :P |
| 04:58.08 | JeffM | then I never work on the API anymore |
| 04:58.21 | AAA_Awright | Oh. ... Why? (Wait, Windows sucks, there I answered my own question). |
| 04:58.53 | JeffM | gee.. thanks |
| 04:58.58 | JeffM | that's what I get for all my hard work |
| 04:59.19 | JeffM | you just make it SO worth it don't you? |
| 05:00.15 | L4m3r | well, theoretically you could still do the devel work in Windows, and even test in Windows |
| 05:00.32 | JeffM | not if we start slinging STL over |
| 05:00.44 | L4m3r | oh, it won't work at all? |
| 05:00.50 | L4m3r | not just nasty leaks? |
| 05:00.50 | JeffM | if one had to reallocate memory that another allocated, poof |
| 05:00.57 | L4m3r | ouch |
| 05:01.14 | JeffM | memory can only be de-allocated by the module that allocated it |
| 05:02.58 | JeffM | but hey, at least I can make a binary that works on damn near every OS |
| 05:03.16 | L4m3r | :) |
| 05:03.39 | JeffM | and don't get me started on sound |
| 05:03.47 | L4m3r | preprocessing is a wonderful thing :P |
| 05:04.18 | JeffM | runtime libs that can export multiple versions of an interface are a wonderfull thing |
| 05:06.46 | JeffM | if someone sees someone from links clan can they tell them that they are volating our LGPL |
| 05:07.02 | JeffM | I tried to send them a message but I don't read german |
| 05:07.05 | L4m3r | binary with no source |
| 05:07.07 | L4m3r | ? |
| 05:07.08 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:07.13 | JeffM | bzadmin in the "lib" package |
| 05:08.31 | L4m3r | you could ask romfis to help you :P |
| 05:08.46 | JeffM | when I get back |
| 05:09.23 | JeffM | they should also know that their instructions for build BZ are just wrongf |
| 05:09.23 | L4m3r | heh |
| 05:10.20 | JeffM | he makes you go edit project files by hand, as well as settings files, when ee has a perfectly functional dialog to add the paths |
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| 14:33.15 | Hylk0r | hello |
| 14:39.41 | Thumper_ | hi |
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| 17:57.54 | whodaman- | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11800 :| |
| 17:59.06 | Palomides | lol |
| 17:59.30 | whodaman- | "undercover cop name" |
| 18:16.58 | spldart | Wow... Is the KM400 chipset known to suck badly in cpu and memory benchmarks? |
| 18:17.25 | L4m3r | if it's a via chipset, then probably |
| 18:18.00 | spldart | I've run a number of VIA's.. some did better than others etc.... but this ONE is TERRIBLE |
| 18:19.05 | spldart | Results are from UBCD though... perhaps it doesn't support this chipset welll leaving me with bad benchies |
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| 19:06.18 | randomparticle | is it possible to use higher resolution textures? |
| 19:06.54 | randomparticle | e.g., if i bung a new std_ground.png in there, say 2048x2048, will it look nicer? |
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| 19:13.17 | randomparticle | i'm thinking with the walls, not only higher res textures but.. |
| 19:13.33 | randomparticle | maybe a few diff wall textures and place them randomly on the wall |
| 19:13.42 | randomparticle | that might stop the patchwork quilt effect |
| 19:15.41 | Constitution | randomparticle: in trunk, I believe that should work |
| 19:15.46 | Constitution | not sure about branch |
| 19:15.56 | randomparticle | the higher res thing? |
| 19:16.26 | Constitution | yes |
| 19:16.29 | randomparticle | sounds goood |
| 19:16.55 | randomparticle | i want to see ants crawling in the crevices close up |
| 19:17.02 | Constitution | JeffM or DTRemenak did something a while back to enable higher-resolution textures, iirc |
| 19:17.07 | randomparticle | ok |
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| 20:28.51 | spldart | Oh crap! My daughter is asking me to get her started in writing code... C, C+ in this case3 |
| 20:29.05 | spldart | She wants to modify and build appy's |
| 20:33.01 | JeffM | and the problem with that is? |
| 20:51.22 | JeffM | just don't let her use that that dark game SDK |
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| 20:57.51 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16249 10/trunk/bzflag/include/bzfgl.h: ws |
| 21:06.12 | spldart | Problems..... 1) I'm not the best compy mentor 2) the trouble she could get into if she get's good at 'modifying' code for the dark side 3) Her learning enough that I have a war with her on control of my lan ;-) |
| 21:07.37 | spldart | I mean... I'm already tied up trying to be the intimidating father figure to her boyfriends |
| 21:07.50 | spldart | God I'm old |
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| 21:12.09 | JeffM_ | and if #3 happens, then just give her her own lan |
| 21:12.11 | JeffM_ | double nat |
| 21:12.18 | spldart | LOL |
| 21:12.37 | Macrosoft | nn64: all of your servers have awfull lag and jitter right now, its unplayable |
| 21:12.37 | JeffM_ | remember programing != tons of computer use/network stuff |
| 21:12.55 | Winny | Macrosoft: comcast FTL |
| 21:13.07 | Macrosoft | Winny: "ftl"? |
| 21:13.19 | Winny | for the loss |
| 21:13.21 | Winny | or lose |
| 21:13.22 | Macrosoft | oh |
| 21:13.30 | spldart | comcast is sucking here |
| 21:13.40 | Winny | comcast is just sucking |
| 21:13.45 | Macrosoft | thought you were refferring to some obscure service package |
| 21:14.01 | Winny | the probably do offer comcast FTL package |
| 21:14.06 | spldart | lolol |
| 21:14.15 | spldart | and it's overpriced |
| 21:14.27 | Macrosoft | Winny: comcast hasnt sucked for me so far...one of the lucky ones |
| 21:15.55 | Macrosoft | the only time lag has ever been funny was in a certain halo match |
| 21:16.05 | Winny | ew, another game? |
| 21:17.00 | Macrosoft | it was fun killing people and having them live for another 15 seconds |
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| 21:18.34 | Macrosoft | is that someone maquerading as nn on his servers, or did he forget his password? |
| 21:18.45 | Winny | probably both :p |
| 21:19.43 | JeffM_ | just don't play there |
| 21:19.50 | JeffM_ | servers can disallow them |
| 21:20.05 | Macrosoft | JeffM_: nn is the one using them |
| 21:20.08 | JeffM_ | so |
| 21:20.10 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11788 |
| 21:20.12 | Winny | *cough* |
| 21:20.13 | Winny | :p |
| 21:20.17 | JeffM_ | owners can do whateverr they want |
| 21:20.35 | JeffM_ | is he using the bots to increase his postion in the list? |
| 21:20.44 | JeffM_ | he shoudl be using a vesion that does not report the bots |
| 21:20.52 | JeffM_ | so he is NOT in voloation of that pollicy |
| 21:21.03 | Macrosoft | *checks |
| 21:21.05 | JeffM_ | you guys need to get over your grudge |
| 21:21.07 | JeffM_ | NOW |
| 21:21.37 | Winny | uh, not a grudge, we're just saying he seems to take quite a liking to running 10+ bots |
| 21:21.43 | Winny | not that it bugs me |
| 21:21.43 | JeffM_ | so what? |
| 21:21.47 | Winny | he removes them if you ask |
| 21:22.01 | Macrosoft | too late to check, the bots are already gone |
| 21:22.12 | JeffM_ | Macrosoft, he upgraded to 2.0.10 |
| 21:22.24 | JeffM_ | so they should not report |
| 21:22.35 | Macrosoft | Winny: i tried /poll set _disablebots 1, but was unsuccessful |
| 21:22.37 | JeffM_ | if you don't like it when they are there, don't play! |
| 21:22.42 | Winny | who are we talking about now, NN or pythonian? |
| 21:22.47 | Macrosoft | nn |
| 21:23.01 | JeffM_ | oh nn, tha's a difrent guy |
| 21:23.03 | Macrosoft | Winny: pythonian was banned |
| 21:23.13 | JeffM_ | Macrosoft, for like 4 hours |
| 21:23.13 | Winny | Macrosoft: for a short amount of time |
| 21:23.23 | JeffM_ | what server version is nn using? |
| 21:23.37 | Macrosoft | /checks |
| 21:24.02 | Macrosoft | nope, hes still using 2.0.8 |
| 21:24.21 | JeffM_ | what's his full name? |
| 21:24.35 | L4m3r | NumbNuts |
| 21:24.36 | Macrosoft | his real name? |
| 21:24.48 | L4m3r | :) |
| 21:24.49 | JeffM_ | bzbb name |
| 21:24.54 | L4m3r | NN |
| 21:24.55 | Macrosoft | JeffM_: NN |
| 21:25.38 | L4m3r | so bzfs2.0.10 will not report robot players to the list? |
| 21:26.08 | JeffM_ | no |
| 21:26.17 | L4m3r | what about Roger? |
| 21:26.19 | Macrosoft | screencap of server http://mdk0.servegame.com/Screenshot.png |
| 21:26.21 | JeffM_ | I've sent him a message |
| 21:26.29 | JeffM_ | let me know if he's still got them tomorow |
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| 21:37.00 | Winny | green team! |
| 21:37.44 | spldart | big badda boom |
| 21:58.50 | Macrosoft | 264 servers... and still nothing to play |
| 21:59.01 | Winny | GU |
| 21:59.09 | Winny | or make something |
| 22:00.01 | Macrosoft | i have three maps i started on, but never finished |
| 22:18.17 | spldart | I almost finished an air hockey table map |
| 22:18.29 | spldart | and of course finished and hosted War Towers |
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| 22:26.50 | randomparticle | hmm.. do you think "convert" necessarily means alter the original? |
| 22:26.56 | spldart | super duper mega maya maya sweet |
| 22:27.09 | randomparticle | slight terminological dispute |
| 22:28.01 | randomparticle | alter as in distructively change and replace |
| 22:28.08 | randomparticle | *destructively |
| 22:29.21 | spldart | less confrontational/literal and more interpretive/creative |
| 22:29.56 | spldart | But Pogo says less 'talk' and more ' waka waka waka beeyyooooweeyooo wwwyyyuuuup' |
| 22:30.17 | spldart | So... the power ups are which kind of superflag? |
| 22:30.28 | randomparticle | giraffe flag |
| 22:30.44 | randomparticle | gives you a long neck for reaching flags high up and allows you to hide behind giraffe shaped obstacles |
| 22:31.14 | randomparticle | sounds silly, but can't be as silly as a tank with wings can it? :) |
| 22:31.58 | spldart | Not enough rabbit hunt flags make the top of the list for my taste lately |
| 22:32.10 | Macrosoft | only 1 sw flag |
| 22:32.11 | spldart | oopys |
| 22:32.12 | randomparticle | no giraffes, then? pity |
| 22:32.25 | spldart | rabbit hunt servers... not flags |
| 22:32.39 | Macrosoft | and sw will have a 2 shot limit |
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| 23:25.43 | tannerld | I thought you lost that |
| 23:26.04 | Winny | I found it at school today |
| 23:26.13 | Winny | it was on the backup network drive from last year |
| 23:26.46 | tannerld | your school makes backups? nice... |
| 23:27.02 | Winny | no, they just put a new drive in the server every year |
| 23:27.06 | Winny | and keep the old one :p |
| 23:27.09 | tannerld | heh |
| 23:27.18 | tannerld | the wipe ours every year |
| 23:27.53 | TD-Linux | same |
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| 23:41.00 | blast007 | JeffM: and yeah, if nn was running bots on his servers, they would be bumping him up the list, as he's running 2.0.8 |
| 23:42.00 | blast007 | ah, guess someone already let you know that |
| 23:42.28 | Winny | :p |
| 23:42.40 | blast007 | ~lart Winny |
| 23:42.40 | ibot | eats Winny and falls over dead |
| 23:42.48 | Winny | \o/ |
| 23:42.51 | blast007 | look what you did! you killed it! |
| 23:43.06 | Winny | bbl... gotta go shovel snow |
| 23:43.13 | blast007 | have fun |
| 23:43.23 | blast007 | it melted off the sidewalks here ;) |
| 23:44.03 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:44.09 | Winny | we've gotten about 7 inches so far |
| 23:49.32 | donny_baker | we've only gooten 2 :( |
| 23:49.38 | donny_baker | gotten* |
| 23:52.53 | Winny | :p |
| 23:53.23 | blast007 | yeah, and the prize is a shovel |
| 23:53.26 | blast007 | have fun |
