| 00:00.12 | JeffM2501 | then you missed the cake |
| 00:08.37 | Thumper_ | Hmmm the MOTD is saying I should upgrade... and I'm running 2.0.10 built from the tag |
| 00:09.13 | Thumper_ | Erroneous: ^^ |
| 00:09.32 | Erroneous | then something is not right :) |
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| 00:12.18 | randomparticle | i just started up bzflag and there was a screen saying there's a new version of bzflag available and would i like to download it |
| 00:13.01 | randomparticle | the download is an .exe. not much use to me :) |
| 00:13.13 | R3laX | it crashed my client |
| 00:13.36 | JeffM2501 | heh, it's only suposed to show that to windows |
| 00:13.49 | R3laX | and i have 2.0.10.. |
| 00:13.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah we know |
| 00:14.00 | JeffM2501 | others have said that |
| 00:14.11 | randomparticle | i have 2.0.10rc3 i think |
| 00:14.12 | JeffM2501 | the MOTD has update info in it, Erroneous is working on it |
| 00:14.21 | Winny | JeffM2501: looks like the pythonian bots have stopped for now... |
| 00:14.31 | JeffM2501 | we.. 2.0.10rc is interaly 2.0.9 |
| 00:14.38 | randomparticle | interaly? |
| 00:14.46 | JeffM2501 | yes inside |
| 00:14.49 | Erroneous | download should only be enabled on windows |
| 00:14.55 | Winny | internally... use your brain and figure out what it means :p |
| 00:14.59 | randomparticle | :) |
| 00:15.03 | Erroneous | unless you have WIN32 defined on your platform too :) |
| 00:15.06 | JeffM2501 | our system dosn't have a method for dealing ith RCs, so the .10RC thign is just a label |
| 00:15.20 | JeffM2501 | the actual version IN the code is 2.0.9 |
| 00:15.50 | JeffM2501 | Winny, and he's done that with out reading my message ;) |
| 00:17.19 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, if the updates have to wait till 2.2(3.0) then that's fine |
| 00:17.34 | thatexploding | lol |
| 00:17.35 | JeffM2501 | database hack |
| 00:17.42 | Erroneous | loverly |
| 00:17.55 | JeffM2501 | hey it's how we got accounts ;) |
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| 00:18.00 | Erroneous | true :) |
| 00:18.14 | thatexploding | through a database hack? |
| 00:18.23 | JeffM2501 | we get lots of things thru hacks ;) |
| 00:18.28 | JeffM2501 | accounts |
| 00:18.34 | JeffM2501 | news posts |
| 00:18.42 | thatexploding | the motd as well, i assume? |
| 00:18.43 | JeffM2501 | project adminship |
| 00:18.44 | Erroneous | news has an admin interface |
| 00:18.51 | JeffM2501 | motd is a hack |
| 00:18.56 | JeffM2501 | very much bigtime |
| 00:19.02 | thatexploding | isnt project adminship controlled from sourceforge? |
| 00:19.16 | JeffM2501 | part of it is |
| 00:19.23 | JeffM2501 | the otherpart is by people |
| 00:19.29 | JeffM2501 | and people are not that hard to hack |
| 00:19.39 | JeffM2501 | "dude set my admin bit".. "k" |
| 00:20.44 | JeffM2501 | use the interwebs |
| 00:21.05 | Erroneous | someone(tm) should write a better motd web interface |
| 00:21.15 | thatexploding | jeffm2501: interwebs? |
| 00:21.29 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* |
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| 00:21.38 | thatexploding | :) |
| 00:21.43 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, I think we are luck to have the one we got |
| 00:21.52 | JeffM2501 | it used to be a text file I hand edited ;) |
| 00:21.55 | randomparticle | glob_match.. wonder what that is |
| 00:22.02 | Erroneous | that'd be easier :) |
| 00:22.06 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 00:22.11 | Erroneous | randomparticle: globbing. see common/bzglob.cxx |
| 00:22.17 | randomparticle | k tx |
| 00:22.26 | Erroneous | ? should match a single character. 'parently it doesn't. |
| 00:22.30 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it was the brlcad that sugested the current RSS stuff |
| 00:22.39 | JeffM2501 | and does linux not have a search feature? |
| 00:23.06 | Erroneous | it does. quite a good one. so does the mac. |
| 00:23.21 | Erroneous | sometimes it's easier to say where it is than to say how to find out :) |
| 00:23.22 | thatexploding | spotlight |
| 00:23.46 | JeffM2501 | cus it's odd, I can understand windows kiddies not bothering to search for stuff, but I see lots of nix type coders, who I KNOW are smart, ask the "what is" question |
| 00:24.01 | JeffM2501 | is not searching part of development on any platform? |
| 00:24.10 | L4m3r | grep is your friend :) |
| 00:24.11 | JeffM2501 | cus I mean how do you write code if you can't go easaly find old stuff? |
| 00:24.16 | Erroneous | memory |
| 00:24.17 | thatexploding | windows searching sucks, though... |
| 00:24.28 | Erroneous | visual studio has a great search tool |
| 00:24.28 | JeffM2501 | thatexploding, not in VC |
| 00:24.33 | JeffM2501 | it's rather awesome |
| 00:24.34 | thatexploding | ah |
| 00:24.51 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, so project size is limited by your memory? that kinda sucks |
| 00:24.55 | thatexploding | nvm, you were referring to visual studio, not windows itself :) |
| 00:24.59 | Erroneous | like find + grep + regex all wrapped in a nice gui |
| 00:25.12 | JeffM2501 | and tied to F3 |
| 00:25.14 | L4m3r | VC and Office are basically the only reasons windows doesn't *completely* suck. :P |
| 00:25.15 | Erroneous | yup |
| 00:25.25 | L4m3r | er, VS. |
| 00:25.26 | JeffM2501 | office.. kinda sucks |
| 00:25.34 | thatexploding | theyve made office for mac now, and openoffice is good |
| 00:25.42 | JeffM2501 | openOffice isok |
| 00:25.44 | L4m3r | Office 07 is rather nice, IMO, doc format aside |
| 00:25.46 | JeffM2501 | it's beter then what they had |
| 00:25.52 | JeffM2501 | but it ain't perfect |
| 00:25.53 | JeffM2501 | by far |
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| 00:26.19 | L4m3r | OpenOffice is only marginally better than StarOffice was. And staroffice was really crappy. |
| 00:26.38 | randomparticle | just for you jeff: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/giraffe/glob.png |
| 00:26.55 | Erroneous | OOo2 is WAY better than OOo1, which is better than SO. still pretty crappy, but don't underestimate the amount of improvement. |
| 00:27.01 | randomparticle | would be nice if it showed the paths too |
| 00:27.11 | L4m3r | thatexploding, M$ missed their chance to kill Office for the mac. now they can just use virtualization. :P |
| 00:27.12 | JeffM2501 | randomparticle, you don't have a "go to definition" thing in your editor? |
| 00:27.15 | CIA-MIA | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r345 10/trunk/libirc/botlib/ (inc/botlib.h src/botlib.cpp): read and write full config files as needed by the calling code |
| 00:27.30 | thatexploding | kill? |
| 00:27.30 | JeffM2501 | I'd be useless on a system with out that |
| 00:27.36 | randomparticle | there is somethign like that but.. |
| 00:28.00 | JeffM2501 | Goto button for life! |
| 00:28.04 | randomparticle | bzflag doesn't have a proper xcode project |
| 00:28.17 | JeffM2501 | you edit in xcode? |
| 00:28.30 | randomparticle | sometimes. |
| 00:28.37 | randomparticle | sometimes it's just quicker in vi |
| 00:28.42 | thatexploding | xcode is okay... ive been using it to self-learn c++ |
| 00:28.43 | L4m3r | thatexploding: if they had stopped releasing a mac version a few years back, the mac would have suffered greatly. Not anymore. |
| 00:29.04 | JeffM2501 | wow, I'd think tha'td be the bigest thing for coding, having language specific stuff in your editor |
| 00:29.14 | thatexploding | L4m3r: the only reason why microsoft released an office for mac is due to a lawsuit settlement :) |
| 00:30.26 | jorgenpt | What's botlib, JeffM2501? |
| 00:31.22 | JeffM2501 | a lib fir IRC bots |
| 00:31.27 | JeffM2501 | baed on libIRC |
| 00:31.32 | jorgenpt | For c++? Neat. :-) |
| 00:31.37 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 00:31.45 | Erroneous | k, motd should only fire for 2.0.8 now |
| 00:31.50 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:32.04 | JeffM2501 | windows? or all of em? |
| 00:32.09 | Erroneous | all of 'em |
| 00:32.18 | thatexploding | if the mac users havent upgraded to rc3, they should :) |
| 00:33.05 | JeffM2501 | will non windows users get the exe? |
| 00:33.38 | Winny | JeffM2501: ignore my previous statement about bots, they're back again |
| 00:33.42 | Erroneous | aw, damn, I typoed. yup, everyone who's not windows will crash :) |
| 00:33.43 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:33.52 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:34.06 | thatexploding | not to open a can of worms, but just why is it called the "message of the day," when it is updated only about once every other month? |
| 00:34.07 | JeffM2501 | Winny, Ill give him the evening to read it |
| 00:34.19 | JeffM2501 | thatexploding, tradition |
| 00:34.47 | Winny | they seem to be running on some automated script, JeffM2501. They go away when about 6 real players show up, and then show up if there is less then 2. |
| 00:34.50 | JeffM2501 | so we can't do it till trunk then |
| 00:35.14 | JeffM2501 | Winny, don't realy care about the specifics. he'll ether stop it, or upgrade |
| 00:35.23 | thatexploding | is the main user "pybzadmin"? |
| 00:35.26 | JeffM2501 | if he does neither, he'll be yuoinkes |
| 00:35.27 | Erroneous | k, all gone |
| 00:35.39 | JeffM2501 | thatexploding, doubtfull |
| 00:35.55 | Winny | that's the bot-control script, thatexploding. |
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| 00:36.02 | JeffM2501 | well that's our fault, we never pushed it |
| 00:36.02 | thatexploding | ah, ok |
| 00:36.32 | JeffM2501 | Winny, if you see him, even if he dosn't respond, you can mention that he should check his PMs |
| 00:36.36 | thatexploding | if it was never noticed for 2 years, then who really cares? :) |
| 00:36.49 | Erroneous | we never tried to USE it before now |
| 00:36.50 | JeffM2501 | thatexploding, we do |
| 00:36.57 | Erroneous | and now it'd be really nice to use |
| 00:37.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah, please learn about the development process, before just shouting out randomness |
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| 00:37.16 | Erroneous | not to mention, if we'd caught it LAST release, we could at least push 2.2 when it was released |
| 00:37.17 | thatexploding | sorry... |
| 00:37.31 | Erroneous | which was the original intent iirc |
| 00:37.32 | JeffM2501 | yah having .10 busted sucks :( |
| 00:37.38 | JeffM2501 | want to fix it in a patch? |
| 00:37.42 | Erroneous | naw |
| 00:38.13 | Winny | JeffM2501: ok |
| 00:38.51 | thatexploding | about how long does it take to make a windows build? |
| 00:38.53 | JeffM2501 | or if you know any other contact methof or him |
| 00:38.59 | JeffM2501 | thatexploding, 50 seconds |
| 00:39.03 | thatexploding | wow |
| 00:39.07 | JeffM2501 | for me |
| 00:39.09 | JeffM2501 | no plugins |
| 00:39.28 | Erroneous | plugins probably build in under 10 |
| 00:39.30 | JeffM2501 | and the full 9 execution units |
| 00:39.35 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, longer |
| 00:39.44 | Erroneous | really? what do we have in there that's complex? |
| 00:39.45 | JeffM2501 | they have to do the normal build |
| 00:39.50 | Erroneous | why? |
| 00:39.52 | JeffM2501 | they all have the same GUID |
| 00:39.58 | Erroneous | ... |
| 00:40.00 | JeffM2501 | copied from the same project :( |
| 00:40.03 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:40.06 | JeffM2501 | IB dosn't like that |
| 00:40.16 | Erroneous | could fix that |
| 00:40.18 | JeffM2501 | but yeah they go in like 45 seconds |
| 00:40.27 | JeffM2501 | not that imporant |
| 00:40.34 | JeffM2501 | it's not like most of our users use IB |
| 00:40.43 | Erroneous | true |
| 00:40.46 | JeffM2501 | well ANY of them |
| 00:40.48 | JeffM2501 | really |
| 00:41.02 | Erroneous | just you |
| 00:41.07 | JeffM2501 | VC8 can probably paralell them fine |
| 00:41.12 | JeffM2501 | since they are all seperate dirs |
| 00:42.38 | Winny | JeffM2501: 50 seconds? are you on the bluegene? |
| 00:43.02 | Erroneous | http://www.xoreax.com/main.htm |
| 00:43.41 | Winny | oh, hehe |
| 00:43.46 | Erroneous | when he builds he uses around 28ghz of processing power |
| 00:44.10 | Erroneous | assuming none of our EUs are in use by anyone else |
| 00:44.28 | thatexploding | jesus |
| 00:47.09 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16230 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/NewVersionMenu.cxx: testing FTW. unbreak automatic upgrade on non-windows platforms. |
| 00:47.24 | thatexploding | does anyone here know if x11 is downloadable for 10.4? |
| 00:47.37 | thatexploding | or do i have to dig for my os cd to install it? |
| 00:48.43 | L4m3r | we should have Bluer provide an irix build just for kicks :P |
| 00:49.24 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16231 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/NewVersionMenu.cxx: testing FTW. unbreak automatic upgrade on non-windows platforms. |
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| 01:01.21 | JeffM2501 | Winny, ? |
| 01:04.06 | Winny | JeffM2501: ? |
| 01:06.42 | Pumpernickel | ! |
| 01:07.20 | JeffM2501 | bluegene |
| 01:07.21 | Erroneous | ... |
| 01:07.27 | JeffM2501 | it ignores it all |
| 01:07.33 | JeffM2501 | has no factoids |
| 01:07.35 | JeffM2501 | or actions |
| 01:07.46 | JeffM2501 | or a valid "isForMe" method |
| 01:07.49 | Erroneous | did cia not get my commit, or did it not echo it? |
| 01:07.57 | JeffM2501 | hard to say |
| 01:08.09 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to check #commits |
| 01:08.18 | JeffM2501 | we had some not show in #commits, so the MIA didn't get em |
| 01:08.20 | Erroneous | trunk will use regex for motd now. not sure if it'll work or not, I haven't tested |
| 01:08.43 | Erroneous | looks like 2.0 does globbing over the entire version string, so we should be able to fire the MOTD for windows only. |
| 01:09.01 | JeffM2501 | what about the #if part? |
| 01:09.11 | Erroneous | it's fine on windows |
| 01:09.24 | Erroneous | we just can't apply the motd to non-windows clients |
| 01:09.25 | JeffM2501 | and it wont' crash otehrs? |
| 01:09.28 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:09.38 | JeffM2501 | but we can make an MOTD for windows clients only right? |
| 01:09.43 | Erroneous | no, that's at a lower level, after it's already decided "this is for me" |
| 01:09.44 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 01:09.50 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:09.57 | JeffM2501 | well that's some usefullness |
| 01:10.51 | Erroneous | already uninstalled it here. |
| 01:11.07 | JeffM2501 | Winny, at work I use a product called "incredebuild" that distibutes the build. |
| 01:11.18 | JeffM2501 | let me install it again |
| 01:11.40 | JeffM2501 | is there a way to have it dump to term or a file? |
| 01:12.10 | Erroneous | bzfs |
| 01:12.11 | JeffM2501 | it ended in W32VC71 |
| 01:12.18 | JeffM2501 | ahh good idea |
| 01:12.30 | Erroneous | so 2.0.?-*-W32VC* should match correctly? |
| 01:12.42 | JeffM2501 | let me get the full dump for you |
| 01:13.13 | JeffM2501 | BZFlag server 2.0.8.20060513-MAINT-W32VC71 (protocol 0026) |
| 01:13.34 | Erroneous | cool. so 2.0.?.*-W32VC* |
| 01:13.53 | Erroneous | hope our globber is up to the task :) |
| 01:13.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah ether CIA is way lagged, or SF ate our messages to it |
| 01:14.45 | Erroneous | k, can you test? |
| 01:15.30 | Erroneous | ah, n/m, I still have the bin |
| 01:16.13 | Erroneous | cool, looks like it works |
| 01:17.11 | Erroneous | AND it doesn't trigger for 2.0.10 :) |
| 01:17.16 | Erroneous | nifty |
| 01:17.20 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 01:17.20 | Erroneous | works for windows at least |
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| 02:29.23 | Macrosoft | anyone else seen this yet? its quite immpressive http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=117438#117438 |
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| 02:41.36 | BZ39 | jeff you here |
| 02:42.22 | BZ39 | how do you compile plugins on *nix? |
| 02:42.34 | BZ39 | g++ -c *.cpp? |
| 02:46.19 | blast007 | BZ39: no |
| 02:46.32 | blast007 | you have to build them as part of the whole bzflag project |
| 02:47.02 | BZ39 | can build em alone? |
| 02:47.04 | blast007 | adding them to the plugins/ directory with a proper set of files |
| 02:47.05 | blast007 | no |
| 02:47.11 | BZ39 | :( |
| 02:47.23 | blast007 | you have to build bzfs and the plugins together |
| 02:47.35 | blast007 | I mean, sure, you could probably do it by hand, but it's not worth it |
| 02:47.36 | BZ39 | *sigh* |
| 02:47.46 | blast007 | they still need the built library that was exported |
| 02:47.53 | blast007 | or however linux does it |
| 02:47.56 | BZ39 | what you mean |
| 02:49.17 | BZ39 | how would i do it by hand |
| 02:53.47 | blast007 | BZ39: well, *you* wouldn't |
| 02:53.58 | blast007 | someone that was really hardcore might be able to |
| 02:56.25 | Macrosoft | so good luck with trying to do that by hand |
| 03:02.19 | blast007 | Macrosoft: for bzflag? |
| 03:02.40 | Macrosoft | no |
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| 03:02.59 | Macrosoft | ...but the point is that h shouldnt do it by hand |
| 03:03.03 | Macrosoft | *he |
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| 03:55.12 | JeffM | hah, the dude who said he was banned on IRC on the boards, simply got hit with the *root@* ban |
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| 04:24.28 | Tanksnipe | Jeff made an account... |
| 04:24.43 | Tanksnipe | just for this |
| 04:25.16 | JeffM | see, so you can ;) |
| 04:25.23 | JeffM | it's just REALY dumb to run as root |
| 04:25.32 | JeffM | sudo is your friend |
| 04:25.45 | Tanksnipe | nuthin important on this box.. |
| 04:25.52 | JeffM | so |
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| 04:26.04 | JeffM | it's not what is on the box, it is what the box can do |
| 04:26.09 | Tanksnipe | i hate sudoing mostly cause i forget.. |
| 04:26.27 | JeffM | how often do you need to run commands as root |
| 04:26.38 | JeffM | set up your groups fine and your good to go for most things |
| 04:26.39 | Tanksnipe | so about compiling plugins how do i compile them alone |
| 04:26.53 | JeffM | on linux, you don't |
| 04:27.00 | Tanksnipe | *sigh* |
| 04:27.12 | Tanksnipe | blast said their might be a way to do it by hand |
| 04:27.30 | JeffM | sure, copy what's in the makefile for that one file, and do it in the command line |
| 04:27.36 | JeffM | it'll be multiple steps |
| 04:28.12 | blast007 | yeah, I said there "might" be a way |
| 04:28.15 | Tanksnipe | which makefile the one in the /bzflag or in /plugins |
| 04:28.17 | JeffM | if your gcc is cached, once you build all of BZ then it won't rebuild it again |
| 04:28.22 | JeffM | all of them |
| 04:28.26 | JeffM | it's all combined |
| 04:28.35 | JeffM | buy you start with the one for the plugin |
| 04:28.39 | blast007 | I also said "someone that was really hardcore might be able to" |
| 04:28.44 | JeffM | you'll need to understand how comiles and links work |
| 04:28.50 | blast007 | Tanksnipe: a.k.a., not you |
| 04:28.55 | Tanksnipe | ? |
| 04:29.00 | JeffM | how much do you know about development and C++? |
| 04:29.14 | Tanksnipe | none.. :| |
| 04:29.19 | JeffM | then don't bother |
| 04:29.25 | JeffM | just build it all |
| 04:29.33 | Tanksnipe | takes forever tho |
| 04:29.38 | blast007 | Tanksnipe: no it doesn't |
| 04:29.40 | JeffM | that's why you get a caching system |
| 04:29.53 | JeffM | you can build server only |
| 04:29.56 | JeffM | that saves time |
| 04:29.57 | blast007 | unless you're trying to build it on my old linux box, then yeah, it might take 24 hours |
| 04:30.05 | JeffM | how fast is the machine? |
| 04:30.12 | Tanksnipe | 1/3ghz |
| 04:30.18 | Tanksnipe | 1.3ghz |
| 04:30.18 | blast007 | (and mine could do it faster if it had more RAM) |
| 04:30.25 | blast007 | yeah, that won't take all that long |
| 04:30.26 | JeffM | how long does it take? |
| 04:30.28 | Tanksnipe | nonly 512mb ram here |
| 04:30.34 | Tanksnipe | idk 30m.. |
| 04:30.37 | Tanksnipe | nround that |
| 04:30.43 | blast007 | Tanksnipe: I was building on a Pentium 133MHz with 32MB of RAM ;) |
| 04:30.47 | JeffM | then install ccache so it only builds them once. |
| 04:30.49 | JeffM | or when they change |
| 04:31.01 | Tanksnipe | alrite |
| 04:31.11 | Tanksnipe | hope theres a f8 rpm for that |
| 04:31.15 | Tanksnipe | brb |
| 04:31.23 | JeffM | dude, sudo |
| 04:31.34 | JeffM | or swap to another term |
| 04:31.42 | Tanksnipe | i am on another term |
| 04:31.43 | Tanksnipe | :) |
| 04:31.48 | JeffM | then why would you leave? |
| 04:32.02 | Tanksnipe | i meant i switchted terms |
| 04:32.11 | JeffM | then why would we care? |
| 04:32.19 | Tanksnipe | nvm |
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| 04:32.49 | Tanksnipe | has "nightmare"logged on here all day? |
| 04:32.55 | JeffM | we don't track users |
| 04:32.57 | JeffM | but probably not |
| 04:33.01 | JeffM | since he's banned |
| 04:33.06 | Tanksnipe | lol |
| 04:33.32 | Tanksnipe | probably shouldn't talk about the plugin |
| 04:33.36 | Tanksnipe | then |
| 04:33.48 | JeffM | what? |
| 04:33.58 | Tanksnipe | oo nuthin forget i said anything |
| 04:34.01 | JeffM | what does he have to do with plugins? |
| 04:34.12 | JeffM | don't make me regret helping you |
| 04:34.19 | JeffM | what does your plug-in do? |
| 04:34.20 | Tanksnipe | how do i setup ccahse |
| 04:34.24 | Tanksnipe | ccache |
| 04:34.27 | JeffM | no help till you tell |
| 04:34.32 | Tanksnipe | not mine |
| 04:34.38 | JeffM | talk |
| 04:34.49 | Tanksnipe | *sigh* should of kept my mouth quite |
| 04:35.00 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 04:35.08 | JeffM2501 | we go out of our way to help you |
| 04:35.11 | JeffM2501 | so what's up? |
| 04:35.24 | Tanksnipe | he told me not to tell |
| 04:35.29 | Tanksnipe | not really anything big |
| 04:35.46 | JeffM2501 | truth or nothin |
| 04:35.47 | Tanksnipe | i promised not to tell, so srry |
| 04:35.51 | JeffM2501 | then bye |
| 04:36.16 | JeffM2501 | we share our software with all of you, if your not going to do the same, then I don't think there is much we have to talk about |
| 04:36.18 | Tanksnipe | you probably already know the plugin |
| 04:36.29 | Tanksnipe | he said a dev wrote it |
| 04:36.31 | JeffM2501 | sure cus you know I'm psycic |
| 04:36.38 | JeffM2501 | what is it's name |
| 04:36.39 | Tanksnipe | 1 min |
| 04:36.47 | Tanksnipe | its nothin big btw |
| 04:37.10 | JeffM2501 | then there should be no reason not to tell us about it |
| 04:38.07 | Tanksnipe | pm.. |
| 04:39.31 | JeffM2501 | I've sent you one |
| 04:40.48 | Tanksnipe | I sent you one. |
| 04:41.06 | JeffM2501 | get the hellof my server |
| 04:41.18 | JeffM2501 | spoofing is NOT cool |
| 04:41.21 | Tanksnipe | This cli irc client is actually quite nice |
| 04:41.29 | Tanksnipe | told you |
| 04:42.06 | Tanksnipe | he said a dev wrote it |
| 04:42.12 | Tanksnipe | so u might want to investigate |
| 04:42.29 | JeffM2501 | and WHY are YOU trying to build it? |
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| 04:42.34 | Tanksnipe | i alreayd did |
| 04:42.43 | JeffM2501 | so you intend to defraud |
| 04:42.44 | Tanksnipe | i was trying to build some other ones |
| 04:43.38 | Tanksnipe | just thought you should know that one of your devs is doing this |
| 04:43.44 | JeffM2501 | doubtfull |
| 04:44.00 | JeffM2501 | on both parts of that statement |
| 04:44.02 | Tanksnipe | probably |
| 04:44.07 | Tanksnipe | but u can never ne sure |
| 04:44.26 | Tanksnipe | probably should fix this in the api |
| 04:44.31 | Tanksnipe | to not allow spoofing |
| 04:44.38 | JeffM2501 | what I am sure of is that you intend to defraud |
| 04:44.44 | JeffM2501 | and that makes you basicly a cheater |
| 04:44.56 | Tanksnipe | i have no intention to use it |
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| 04:45.17 | JeffM2501 | if your full intent was to expose it, then WHY not open up with that, instead of asking how to build it? |
| 04:45.28 | JeffM2501 | I smell something in the air, and it ain't roses |
| 04:45.30 | Tanksnipe | i asked how to build plugins not this one |
| 04:45.50 | brlcad | JeffM2501: xcode has the same "go to definition" stuff, just have to tell it to load the source hierarchy (which it'd normally do automatically, but since we just wrap the unix build it's got no files to index by default) |
| 04:45.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah but then I have to go DIG the info out of you |
| 04:46.04 | brlcad | otherwise emacs ftw .. M-. ;) |
| 04:46.15 | Tanksnipe | you dont like emacs? |
| 04:46.24 | brlcad | huh? |
| 04:46.26 | JeffM2501 | if your full intent was to expose it you'd have done that gladdly, not pulled the "I promiced not to say" crap |
| 04:46.27 | Tanksnipe | nvm |
| 04:46.44 | Tanksnipe | just didnt wanna get banned for exposing this.. |
| 04:46.49 | JeffM2501 | you just did |
| 04:47.13 | JeffM2501 | for colaborating |
| 04:47.56 | rob1n | oh snaps! |
| 04:48.07 | Tanksnipe | oh snaps!? |
| 04:48.26 | blast007 | ignore it |
| 04:48.33 | Tanksnipe | k |
| 04:48.37 | rob1n | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=humor |
| 04:48.52 | JeffM2501 | shoudl have shut up a couple lines ago |
| 04:48.59 | Tanksnipe | AFK |
| 04:49.08 | JeffM2501 | Tanksnipe: if you wanted to be open, then why all the cloack and dagger? |
| 04:49.27 | Tanksnipe | i didnt wanna get banned for having that script.. |
| 04:49.50 | JeffM2501 | then why not say "hey I got this from XXXXXX, it dosn't look right" |
| 04:49.55 | JeffM2501 | out right int he open |
| 04:50.00 | JeffM2501 | as soon as you got it |
| 04:50.39 | JeffM2501 | cus your little game here makes me have zero trust in you |
| 04:50.49 | JeffM2501 | and that's what got your account suspended |
| 04:50.58 | Tanksnipe | Look, im sorry. |
| 04:51.40 | Tanksnipe | What can i do to make this up? |
| 04:51.56 | JeffM2501 | not sure you can right now, you'll have to build trust |
| 04:52.23 | Tanksnipe | How can i begin to do that? |
| 04:52.28 | JeffM2501 | think |
| 04:52.35 | JeffM2501 | brlcad: you totaly need to do that |
| 04:53.26 | JeffM2501 | Tanksnipe: how often do you talk to nightmare? |
| 04:53.34 | JeffM2501 | and how does he pass you plug-ins? |
| 04:53.41 | Tanksnipe | Just met him on his server day ago. |
| 04:53.57 | brlcad | I can totally see SportChick as a backing supporting staffer |
| 04:53.58 | JeffM2501 | how long have you had the spoofer? |
| 04:54.07 | Tanksnipe | Day |
| 04:54.08 | JeffM2501 | and why did you accept it? |
| 04:54.17 | Tanksnipe | i didn't know what it was |
| 04:54.40 | JeffM2501 | he just sent you random code, you accepted it, running all secure as root...... |
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| 04:55.35 | Tanksnipe | No, I went to his server met him, he said he had trouble building a plugin, said i offered my help not knowing what it was. |
| 04:56.03 | JeffM2501 | offered to help, not having any knowledge of the process yourself. |
| 04:56.33 | Tanksnipe | *sigh* just wanted to help.. |
| 04:57.02 | Tanksnipe | and i wanted to learn about plugins. |
| 04:57.36 | JeffM2501 | and getting random code is the way to do that in your mind? |
| 04:57.38 | Tanksnipe | I realize i should have brought up the subject differantly. |
| 04:58.03 | JeffM2501 | if you want to learn about plug-ins then we have a big ol dir full of them |
| 04:58.24 | JeffM2501 | I'm going to give you the benifit of the doubt for now, but seriously man, get some common sense |
| 04:58.42 | JeffM2501 | nightmare will do anything he can to screw you over. |
| 04:59.16 | Tanksnipe | He admitted to cheatin, ocassionally, btw. |
| 04:59.34 | JeffM2501 | he has not been known to ever play fair |
| 04:59.35 | JeffM2501 | ever |
| 05:00.02 | Tanksnipe | When i first met him I thought he as ^Nightmare, maker of Fox burrow. |
| 05:00.05 | JeffM2501 | was his server publicly listed? |
| 05:00.09 | Tanksnipe | it was |
| 05:00.12 | JeffM2501 | what was it? |
| 05:00.26 | Tanksnipe | its been down since 3 in the morining PST |
| 05:00.33 | Tanksnipe | morning* |
| 05:00.37 | JeffM2501 | that wasn't my question |
| 05:00.43 | Tanksnipe | idk |
| 05:00.46 | Tanksnipe | 1 min |
| 05:00.47 | blast007 | it was some IP address |
| 05:00.50 | Tanksnipe | yea |
| 05:00.50 | blast007 | didn't have a hostname |
| 05:00.56 | Tanksnipe | 75.*.*.116 |
| 05:01.00 | JeffM2501 | dynamic you think? |
| 05:01.00 | Tanksnipe | something like that |
| 05:01.03 | Tanksnipe | forgoet other numbers |
| 05:01.05 | Tanksnipe | no |
| 05:01.13 | JeffM2501 | blast007: we have it loged? |
| 05:01.21 | blast007 | JeffM2501: no idea |
| 05:01.24 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 05:01.26 | Tanksnipe | yup its on the stats page |
| 05:01.35 | JeffM2501 | can you give me the IP please? |
| 05:01.37 | Tanksnipe | yea |
| 05:02.34 | Tanksnipe | 75.32.39.116 |
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| 05:03.26 | JeffM2501 | dosn't matter |
| 05:03.29 | Tanksnipe | If i come across something like this ever again I'll approach you in a more appropriate way. |
| 05:03.45 | Tanksnipe | Hey TET |
| 05:04.00 | Tanksnipe | Jeff have u ever used irssi? |
| 05:04.03 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 05:04.14 | JeffM2501 | just be as open as you can |
| 05:04.20 | Tanksnipe | is there an irc command to list channel users |
| 05:04.21 | JeffM2501 | there is never any need to hide anything from any of us |
| 05:04.25 | blast007 | Tanksnipe: /names |
| 05:04.33 | Tanksnipe | Blast: ty |
| 05:04.48 | JeffM2501 | the more you hide the woorse you look |
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| 05:05.51 | Tanksnipe | Jeff under windows what does bzflag use to render?gl?dx? |
| 05:06.54 | JeffM2501 | bzflag only uses GL for rendering on all platforms |
| 05:06.54 | JeffM2501 | we'd have to have 2 sets of drawing code to do anything else |
| 05:06.54 | JeffM2501 | do you know how old bzflag is? |
| 05:06.54 | Tanksnipe | 10yr+ |
| 05:07.01 | JeffM2501 | do you know how old direct 3d is? |
| 05:07.10 | Tanksnipe | No i prefer OpenGL |
| 05:07.41 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is an old SGI app |
| 05:07.48 | JeffM2501 | no dirext3d on the SGI |
| 05:08.22 | Tanksnipe | Why is the DX SDK needed to build bz on windows? |
| 05:08.34 | JeffM2501 | because direx x is more then drawing |
| 05:08.39 | Tanksnipe | Thought so |
| 05:08.41 | JeffM2501 | we need it to change resolutions |
| 05:08.43 | JeffM2501 | for sound |
| 05:08.48 | JeffM2501 | and for joystick support |
| 05:09.24 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.35 | rob1n | heh |
| 05:09.35 | JeffM2501 | it's a short week |
| 05:09.41 | Tanksnipe | like Bzflag 2.2 :) |
| 05:09.51 | JeffM2501 | you'll notice that dtr did so as well |
| 05:09.55 | JeffM2501 | Tanksnipe: he meant at work |
| 05:10.52 | JeffM2501 | today we had a nice presentation about surround SCM |
| 05:10.57 | JeffM2501 | and all it's coolness |
| 05:11.47 | JeffM2501 | for software you pay for I assume ;) |
| 05:12.00 | brlcad | teh evils |
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| 05:12.49 | JeffM2501 | the branching and integration with our bug tracker, I don't think SVN can do that |
| 05:13.07 | JeffM2501 | I also wonder if it's sandbox branches can be run offline? |
| 05:13.20 | JeffM2501 | with just local history |
| 05:13.38 | brlcad | sourceforge does bug tracker integration as well, rational rose too |
| 05:13.46 | brlcad | (enterprise, not sf.net) |
| 05:14.19 | JeffM2501 | overkill for our needs |
| 05:14.25 | JeffM2501 | and no VC integration |
| 05:14.30 | bryjen | ~bzpastebin |
| 05:14.31 | ibot | hmm... bzpastebin is http://pastebin.bzflag.bz a place to put large chunks of text to not flood a channel |
| 05:14.31 | JeffM2501 | and probably costs a LOT more ;) |
| 05:15.05 | brlcad | they're very expensive (they're pretty much the best afaik) .. and I believe at least rational does have VC integration too, dunno about enterprise :) |
| 05:15.48 | JeffM2501 | this one is made by the same people that make our bug tracker |
| 05:15.58 | bryjen | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m7cc06ce1 v2.1 dies on fetching the MoTD |
| 05:19.02 | Tanksnipe | Jeff did you ban Nightmare? |
| 05:19.13 | Constitution | lol |
| 05:19.18 | JeffM2501 | he's been banned as much as we can |
| 05:19.20 | Tanksnipe | Hi const.. |
| 05:19.24 | JeffM2501 | he's rather dynamic |
| 05:19.27 | Constitution | hi |
| 05:19.48 | Tanksnipe | Jeff made me get ashamed infront of you :( |
| 05:20.30 | JeffM2501 | no.. that was prety much all you skip ;) |
| 05:20.47 | Tanksnipe | I wish you would bring back my favorite server. |
| 05:21.07 | blast007 | which one was that? |
| 05:21.10 | Tanksnipe | Tunnels |
| 05:22.00 | Constitution | Tanksnipe: 250+ servers on the list... not going to go and start one that no one will play on ;) |
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| 05:22.11 | Tanksnipe | people did play on it.. |
| 05:22.21 | JeffM2501 | we have more servers then we have players |
| 05:22.34 | Tanksnipe | Advertise :p |
| 05:22.39 | JeffM2501 | if you liked it, go host one |
| 05:23.24 | bryjen | a-yup. rollback to 16231 and it doesn't crash :/ |
| 05:23.40 | Constitution | Tanksnipe: yeah because I played on there myself like four hours a day... not possible with my current school and work loads |
| 05:24.21 | Tanksnipe | Drop out and quit work. J/K |
| 05:24.28 | JeffM2501 | Tanksnipe: how old are you? |
| 05:24.36 | Tanksnipe | guess |
| 05:24.40 | blast007 | 12 |
| 05:24.44 | JeffM2501 | under 16 |
| 05:24.48 | Tanksnipe | yes |
| 05:24.48 | JeffM2501 | cus you act like an idiot |
| 05:24.53 | Tanksnipe | I know.. |
| 05:25.13 | JeffM2501 | if you know then stop it |
| 05:25.34 | JeffM2501 | I'd venture to say 14 |
| 05:25.42 | Tanksnipe | I should leave before i make my self a bigger idiot. |
| 05:25.43 | blast007 | yeah |
| 05:25.44 | JeffM2501 | for more specifics |
| 05:25.50 | JeffM2501 | are you 12? |
| 05:25.52 | Tanksnipe | no |
| 05:26.05 | Tanksnipe | GoodNight |
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| 05:26.32 | JeffM2501 | ohh I'll bet he is |
| 05:26.37 | JeffM2501 | and isn't coppa |
| 05:26.43 | blast007 | ;) |
| 05:26.54 | whodaman- | crap, apple+quit , did he leave? |
| 05:31.26 | Macrosoft | personal attacks on the forums http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11782 |
| 05:33.40 | rob1n | dammit it's already deleted |
| 05:34.18 | JeffM2501 | more admin issue then personal attack |
| 05:34.22 | JeffM2501 | much much more |
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| 05:40.03 | CIA-MIA | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r347 10/trunk/libirc/botlib/ (inc/botlib.h src/botlib.cpp): redo the message system so that messages can send back themselves, and have a reply method |
| 05:44.42 | JeffM2501 | looks like I'm refering lots of people to Winny tonight :) |
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| 05:46.21 | blast007 | heh |
| 05:47.46 | JeffM2501 | isn't that server suposed to be one of the poster children for that thar admin network? |
| 05:50.02 | blast007 | hehe |
| 05:50.26 | blast007 | always hard to say what really happens when you only hear one side |
| 05:50.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah but it makes you think when you hear similar stories from more then one player |
| 05:50.59 | JeffM2501 | in the same night |
| 05:51.17 | blast007 | assuming they're not all the same person |
| 05:51.57 | JeffM2501 | mayhaps |
| 05:52.10 | JeffM2501 | still makes you think |
| 05:53.22 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16234 10/trunk/db/bzfls.php: Re-enable logging, but quell any warnings or output if fopen fails |
| 05:57.35 | brlcad | ~blast007++ |
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| 06:28.31 | Tanksnipe | Where is Jeff? |
| 06:28.46 | Constitution | off for the night, probably |
| 06:29.01 | Tanksnipe | u heard the entire conversation last time rite? |
| 06:29.10 | Constitution | me? |
| 06:29.13 | Tanksnipe | yea |
| 06:29.17 | Tanksnipe | when he banned me |
| 06:29.54 | Constitution | maybe parts... I just kinda skimmed my scrollback |
| 06:30.04 | Tanksnipe | Well nightmare contacted me |
| 06:30.12 | Tanksnipe | he told me who made it... |
| 06:31.13 | Tanksnipe | hmm idk how to switch to pms in irssi.. |
| 06:31.24 | blast007 | alt + the number |
| 06:31.35 | Constitution | lol |
| 06:31.41 | Tanksnipe | doesnt work.. |
| 06:31.43 | blast007 | using the numbers at the top of the keyboard, not the keypad |
| 06:31.46 | Constitution | or /window number |
| 06:31.49 | Tanksnipe | @tried both |
| 06:31.51 | blast007 | yeah, or that |
| 06:32.54 | Constitution | Tanksnipe: I'm not in Jeff's position, but basically you can't trust anything NightMare says... but you should still report it to the admins. |
| 06:33.36 | blast007 | Constitution: yeah, I'm talking with him right now |
| 06:33.50 | Constitution | k |
| 06:42.31 | Tanksnipe | Ted are you there |
| 06:43.34 | blast007 | Tanksnipe: best to use the whole name of the person you're trying to reach, as it'll highlight in their client, and probably make a 'ping' noise |
| 06:47.19 | Tanksnipe | hes probably not their anyway.. |
| 06:47.53 | blast007 | they've been idle 17 hours ;) |
| 06:48.16 | Tanksnipe | ... |
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| 06:51.57 | Tupone | hola brlcad |
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| 07:33.28 | Tanksnipe | gnight |
| 07:33.36 | blast007 | cya |
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| 15:43.24 | tankzilla | hey guys |
| 15:43.44 | tankzilla | any devs that i could speak with quickly? |
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| 15:52.15 | brlcad | ~ask |
| 15:52.16 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 15:56.23 | tankzilla | I'm stuck in a situation where I would like to make a patch for GU that would allow fullscreen radar |
| 15:56.42 | tankzilla | I've raised the issue on the GU forums about it. |
| 15:57.11 | brlcad | are you the one that e-mailed me a hud overlay radar patch just a couple days ago? |
| 15:57.19 | tankzilla | nope |
| 15:57.21 | brlcad | k |
| 15:58.10 | brlcad | part of the issue for the radar itself is that it was intentionally limited to not take over the 3D display entirely |
| 15:58.14 | brlcad | i.e. a design decision |
| 15:58.18 | tankzilla | yes, i understand. |
| 15:58.39 | tankzilla | that's why i'd like it to have it as almost a different version that people could download |
| 15:58.59 | brlcad | if there are multiple monitors available, it becomes easier to go full-screen for any of them, but then you're still not "getting rid of" one of the other displays |
| 15:59.16 | tankzilla | for league's such as gu/duc/pb it's a real advantage for players |
| 15:59.43 | tankzilla | multiple monitors? |
| 16:02.16 | tankzilla | All i'm trying to say, is that there are many people in the league's that use 2.0.2 just for the fullscreen radar feature. 2.0.10 with this feature could potentially help out a lot. |
| 16:04.15 | menotume | what's wrong with huge radar ? |
| 16:04.22 | menotume | as an option ? |
| 16:04.33 | tankzilla | would help a lot.. |
| 16:04.47 | brlcad | it already allows "huge radar" |
| 16:04.58 | tankzilla | huge, not fullscreen. |
| 16:05.10 | brlcad | tankzilla: I hear what you're saying, and you're certainly not prohibited from making your own full-screen or even a 2D-only client |
| 16:05.16 | menotume | in my original code for radar size in options menu, the slider was proportional ... and had a higher limit |
| 16:05.24 | menotume | 'huge' is an opinion, i guess :) |
| 16:05.35 | tankzilla | ok brlcad |
| 16:05.49 | menotume | brlcad: the problem is we don't want to allow modded clients for leagueplay |
| 16:05.58 | brlcad | the issue afai recall was *only* whether the radar should be allowed to overtake the 3D display |
| 16:06.02 | brlcad | as a usability issue |
| 16:06.04 | menotume | or to allow it for just those who can apply the patch, etc |
| 16:06.36 | brlcad | having users that maybe set the full-screen setting, forget how they set it that way, or don't realize that there is a tradeoff, etc |
| 16:06.37 | tankzilla | well, if we have the code posted to make it..would that be okay? then people can compile it themselves? |
| 16:06.59 | menotume | THAT is a league decision :) |
| 16:07.24 | menotume | i don't think we are talking about 'a full-screen setting' |
| 16:07.33 | menotume | just raising the maxsize limit some |
| 16:07.51 | brlcad | menotume: I think that's a good constraint (to not allow mod'd clients), because that really makes it a whole lot harder to prevent cheat clients (just from a mere practical standpoint) |
| 16:07.51 | menotume | would never overtake the hud |
| 16:08.09 | menotume | well ya, it opens a BIG can of worms :) |
| 16:08.15 | tankzilla | i understand the whole thing, and being scared of people modding clients.. |
| 16:08.23 | tankzilla | but what if we can build the client to have it passed on the league? |
| 16:08.33 | menotume | for what O/S ? |
| 16:08.38 | menotume | just windoze users ? |
| 16:08.39 | tankzilla | well, for me OS X |
| 16:08.40 | menotume | :P |
| 16:08.45 | menotume | heh |
| 16:08.49 | tankzilla | but orbit said he could test it out for admins. |
| 16:08.50 | brlcad | tankzilla: it's not fear, there would be a natural familiarity for compilation and mods if you effectively required compilation to acheive that end result |
| 16:08.59 | tankzilla | yes, i understand. |
| 16:09.08 | tankzilla | i'm not very fond of the way it must be done |
| 16:09.18 | tankzilla | but, the older client is very...ugly.. |
| 16:09.33 | tankzilla | and i'd like to be on the newest, updated client. |
| 16:09.54 | brlcad | i don't think most would object to tweaking the upper limit -- like I said, the issue was more of a design decision to not allow it to overtake (or otherwise make the 3D completely useless is not much different) |
| 16:10.43 | brlcad | the fact that it let you go as high as it did in .2 was frankly just a mistake |
| 16:10.57 | tankzilla | hmm |
| 16:11.02 | brlcad | you're gonna have to compromise or stick with other approaches :) |
| 16:11.15 | tankzilla | yeah, i guess. |
| 16:11.28 | Chestal | IMHO even the current limits allow radars that are too big, but that's just me |
| 16:11.35 | tankzilla | hehe |
| 16:12.01 | menotume | my original code had such a limit, it did not overtake the hud, etc. |
| 16:12.04 | tankzilla | see, being comfortable with the fullscreen setup, changing to a smaller radar seems hard to get used to and i wouldnt be able to play like that |
| 16:12.06 | menotume | someone lowered the limit |
| 16:12.11 | brlcad | if your sole goal/desire is to make it full-screen, I can say with pretty fair certainty that it will not happen without having multiple screens |
| 16:12.34 | menotume | brlcad: agreed |
| 16:12.39 | menotume | there would be other issues |
| 16:12.41 | menotume | too |
| 16:13.00 | brlcad | menotume: it was probably resolution-dependent |
| 16:13.20 | menotume | i tested it with diff resolutions and font sizes, etc. |
| 16:13.35 | menotume | i think it was just considered too big by some who saw it for the first time :) |
| 16:13.50 | menotume | it was always ABLE to be made that big thru the config |
| 16:14.01 | Chestal | not always :-) |
| 16:14.28 | menotume | in any case, is it even POSSIBLE to get into 2.0.x anyway ? |
| 16:14.40 | brlcad | nope |
| 16:14.44 | menotume | hehe |
| 16:14.46 | brlcad | .10 was released |
| 16:14.54 | tankzilla | next release is 2.2.0? |
| 16:15.01 | menotume | and CVS rules are bug-fixes only ? |
| 16:15.06 | menotume | no, 2.2.11 |
| 16:15.07 | brlcad | so we can once again boldly claim that there won't be another 2.0 release :) |
| 16:15.08 | menotume | :P |
| 16:15.21 | menotume | err, 2.0.11 :P |
| 16:15.28 | tankzilla | liar :) |
| 16:15.39 | brlcad | it'll either be 2.2 or 3.0, we were talking just a couple days ago about fixing our version numbering |
| 16:15.55 | brlcad | making major actually represent compatibility |
| 16:16.51 | brlcad | ~blast007++ |
| 16:17.09 | brlcad | yay for bzfls logging being re-enabled |
| 16:18.33 | whodaman- | brlcad, What was the status for making in reg only for maybe 2.x? |
| 16:20.16 | brlcad | huh? |
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| 16:32.09 | whodaman | brlcad, sorry internet problems, I was saying, what the status was about only allowing registered players to play |
| 16:36.36 | brlcad | too conceptual at this point to say definitively anything about it |
| 16:36.59 | menotume | brlcad: bzlfs logs too big? :P |
| 16:37.11 | whodaman | yeah, I mean these are VERY early days |
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| 17:10.50 | tankzilla | hey, i forgot to mention something before. |
| 17:11.17 | tankzilla | There seems to be a problem with 2.0.2 on OS 10.5, the tanks almost disappear on the HUD |
| 17:12.08 | blast007 | 2.0.2 is ancient |
| 17:12.24 | tankzilla | true |
| 17:12.33 | tankzilla | but, also noticed it on 2.0.8, not 2.0.10 |
| 17:12.44 | whodaman | Then use 2.0.10 |
| 17:12.55 | tankzilla | you missed the conversation before, so it seems. |
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| 18:20.50 | brlcad | menotume: not at all |
| 18:21.19 | brlcad | the logging was just turned off instead of someone actually fixing the problem (it didn't have perm to write to the log file) |
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| 18:22.14 | brlcad | so blast figured out what the problem was, and made the mods to support work even if it happens again, which in turn prompted me to fix the originating mode problem (happened during log rotation) |
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| 19:50.42 | Winny | JeffM: anything from pythonian dude? |
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| 20:17.35 | Tupone | hola brlcad |
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| 20:21.39 | Winny | tankzilla: gunna take another stab at that radar? :p |
| 20:22.12 | tankzilla | i'd like to, but my point never gets across the way i'd image to express it |
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| 20:32.44 | soxs | je |
| 20:35.55 | Winny | JeffM: hmm, what was this in reference to? "JeffM2501> looks like I'm refering lots of people to Winny tonight :)", my scrollback doesn't go back any farther then that |
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| 20:41.57 | JeffM | on fourms |
| 20:42.47 | JeffM | Winny, nope, still running bots? |
| 20:43.20 | whodaman- | JeffM, yes. |
| 20:43.24 | JeffM | k |
| 20:43.29 | whodaman- | pythonian right? |
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| 20:43.33 | JeffM | blast007, or brlcad you arround? |
| 20:43.34 | brlcad | ciao tupone |
| 20:43.41 | brlcad | JeffM: mebbie |
| 20:44.00 | JeffM | need to add a ban to the list server, what's the best way? |
| 20:44.14 | whodaman- | sweet |
| 20:44.15 | Winny | JeffM: indeed, bots are still running |
| 20:44.44 | whodaman- | Winny, nothing less expected of them :P |
| 20:44.49 | Tupone | brlcad: well, just wanted to say that the note I wrote on DEVINFO is just because I feared some could upload a new bzflag-2.0.10.tar.bz2, and that broke distributions |
| 20:45.42 | Tupone | I don't want to change established criteria for bzflag version |
| 20:46.24 | Tupone | then maybe we could cut out some of the things I wrote, as maybe they don't apply |
| 20:50.36 | JeffM | holly crap, what one of the 3000 bzfls is the one in use? |
| 20:51.46 | brlcad | JeffM: the ban can be added directly to the bzfls.php file, or to the firewall if it is "more severe" |
| 20:51.58 | JeffM | list is fine |
| 20:52.03 | JeffM | mostly just want to get his attention |
| 20:52.13 | brlcad | k |
| 20:52.45 | brlcad | Tupone: oh, I know -- it was a good thought process, and hopefully you read all the discussion that followed |
| 20:52.53 | brlcad | I think some good ideas came of it |
| 20:53.25 | JeffM | three point oh, three point oh! |
| 20:54.41 | Tupone | yeah, I read something. Just I don't like to put in the file name some strange number that are generated "mostly" randomly |
| 20:54.46 | JeffM | should we not make that ban list external? |
| 20:54.53 | JeffM | so that we don't have to edit the code? |
| 20:55.46 | JeffM | Winny, he should not be able to udate his server anymore, so it should fall off the list in half an hour |
| 20:55.55 | JeffM | let me know if it dosn't |
| 20:56.02 | Winny | JeffM: ok |
| 20:56.49 | JeffM | delusional_, how come the normals look so bad on your model imports? |
| 21:04.33 | delusional_ | I may have used dimachine in the export, depending on what your looking at... it's triple-repeating some normals right now |
| 21:04.51 | JeffM | I mean that they arn't smoothed |
| 21:04.57 | JeffM | it's all flat shaded |
| 21:05.39 | delusional_ | yeah.. i could have made them look more professional, i'm really just testing both drawinfo tools right now.. your looking at the screenies? |
| 21:05.46 | Tedius | are you referring to the car? |
| 21:05.46 | JeffM | yes |
| 21:05.51 | JeffM | the car is the worst |
| 21:05.56 | JeffM | where did you get the meshes? |
| 21:06.29 | delusional_ | theres no motivation to make them perfect, as they are unusable in bzw, too many verts |
| 21:07.11 | delusional_ | fps killers |
| 21:07.30 | delusional_ | this is a good place to start http://shape.cs.princeton.edu/search.html |
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| 21:09.42 | delusional_ | what are you asking? |
| 21:10.00 | JeffM | I thought it was prety simple "where di you get the meshes" |
| 21:10.18 | JeffM | not "where can I start looking for meshes similar to the ones you used" |
| 21:10.27 | delusional_ | i start at the link i posted, then see where that takes me |
| 21:11.05 | JeffM | are they licensend for redistrobution? |
| 21:11.18 | delusional_ | the car came from.... http://cg-india.com/cgblog_3dmodels.html |
| 21:11.26 | delusional_ | it says non-profit is OK |
| 21:11.27 | JeffM | see that wasn't so hard, was it ;) |
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| 21:12.08 | delusional_ | had to look at my history |
| 21:12.47 | JeffM | heck even "some free model site on the inernet" would have been a good answer ;) |
| 21:12.56 | tannerld | heh |
| 21:13.01 | Winny | heh |
| 21:13.35 | JeffM | but telling me a good place to start and throwing down a link, is just a bit confusing |
| 21:13.56 | tannerld | (Moving on...) |
| 21:14.01 | JeffM | does your modeler do normal smothing? |
| 21:14.18 | whodaman- | So, what's pythonian's fait? |
| 21:14.28 | JeffM | huh? |
| 21:14.57 | whodaman- | were they banned from the server list? |
| 21:15.02 | JeffM | fate? |
| 21:15.07 | tannerld | (yes) |
| 21:15.11 | tannerld | (to both) |
| 21:15.19 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:15.29 | whodaman- | what did I write? |
| 21:15.31 | JeffM | they will no longer be allowed to update the list server |
| 21:15.31 | whodaman- | oh fait |
| 21:15.34 | whodaman- | >_< |
| 21:15.41 | QBeep | Just a little karma vapor lock is all |
| 21:15.45 | JeffM | type, read, think, hit ender ;) |
| 21:15.54 | tannerld | hah |
| 21:16.04 | JeffM | cus that little kid is a jerk |
| 21:16.29 | JeffM | sans updates they will fall off the list after 30 min of no updates |
| 21:16.53 | delusional_ | i've been doing this... the models inevitably have some bad faces, so first I export from wings to bzw, that finds the bad faces........ then i delete the bad faces in the obj, by comparing the bzw startup errors, to the obj text file.... finally i can run the model through di-machine or modeltool, and hopefully that bzw loads correctly |
| 21:17.15 | JeffM | delusional_, you shoudl smooth the normals |
| 21:17.20 | JeffM | look a lot better |
| 21:17.31 | whodaman- | bbl |
| 21:17.40 | delusional_ | if i ever make something I exprct to put in a usable map, I will. |
| 21:17.48 | JeffM | your showing it off |
| 21:21.16 | Tedius | ~blast007++ |
| 21:21.19 | brlcad | JeffM: the list rarely ever changes, don't think it matters |
| 21:22.30 | Winny | JeffM: looks like nightmare has a (cheat?) server running... 75.32.29.116 |
| 21:22.54 | JeffM | brlcad, we don't update it's code every so iften |
| 21:23.00 | JeffM | Winny, is it labeld cheat in the title? |
| 21:23.06 | Winny | no |
| 21:23.31 | JeffM | he's dynamic, he's hard to ban |
| 21:24.31 | brlcad | you mean we "do"? |
| 21:24.56 | brlcad | it rarely changes for little tweaks, maybe once or twice a year for a bad (historically) |
| 21:24.57 | JeffM | sorry, don't we? |
| 21:25.00 | brlcad | s/bad/ban |
| 21:25.01 | JeffM | k |
| 21:25.20 | brlcad | i mean it could just as easily be in some other file and #included |
| 21:25.29 | JeffM | that's what I was thinking |
| 21:25.37 | JeffM | just so that it dosn't get blown over |
| 21:25.47 | brlcad | go for it |
| 21:25.59 | brlcad | can keep the list in the same place as the other "private" config files |
| 21:26.20 | brlcad | (i.e. in /etc/bzflag) |
| 21:30.17 | blast007 | http://ankhsvn.tigris.org/ <--- SVN integration for Visual Studio .NET |
| 21:34.23 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16238 10/trunk/web/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Sync with live. Add table-based MOTD editor based on Richard Heyes' GPL'ed MySQLTableEditor. |
| 21:34.25 | JeffM | have you tried it? |
| 21:35.14 | Winny | JeffM: \o/ |
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| 21:40.55 | blast007 | JeffM: not yet. just found it, and I don't have VC at work |
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| 21:43.45 | JeffM | how do you spell discression? |
| 21:44.01 | blast007 | ~spell discression |
| 21:44.04 | gsnedders | discretion? |
| 21:44.14 | Thumper_ | discretion |
| 21:44.59 | JeffM | can I get an admin to proofread this? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=117479#117479 |
| 21:46.03 | JeffM | I'll wikify it as well if it's cool |
| 21:46.30 | Thumper_ | I'd proofread it but I can't get to it :) |
| 21:46.40 | JeffM | that would be why I said admins ;) |
| 21:46.48 | Thumper_ | yup but I tried anyway :) |
| 21:47.26 | brlcad | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 21:48.38 | brlcad | JeffM: title .. pollicy -> policy |
| 21:48.46 | JeffM | thank you |
| 21:49.25 | brlcad | i have a few other edits, make them directly? |
| 21:49.31 | JeffM | please |
| 21:49.45 | Winny | JeffM: perhaps you should include a statement in the included docs as well? |
| 21:49.59 | JeffM | the man pages? |
| 21:50.06 | Winny | the docs included with the client |
| 21:50.12 | JeffM | aka, the man pages |
| 21:50.23 | Winny | oh, I thought those were online |
| 21:50.29 | JeffM | they are |
| 21:58.57 | JeffM | just let me know when you two are done and I'll wiki it and move it public :) |
| 21:59.12 | JeffM | I've cleaned up the list server wiki page and moved all the FAQ stuff to the global reg page |
| 21:59.33 | JeffM | k |
| 22:01.29 | JeffM | Winny, the most I could see doing is linking to the wiki, as the pollicy, and our instance of the list server are not realy part of the open source project |
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| 22:01.44 | Winny | JeffM: ah |
| 22:01.52 | JeffM | they are provided by the project admins, but the data they contain is not part of the distrobution |
| 22:02.07 | JeffM | any other user can host there own list server with there own rules |
| 22:02.33 | Winny | has anyone ever even hosted another listserver before? |
| 22:02.46 | JeffM | not for any length of time |
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| 22:19.14 | blast007 | Winny: I've heard of some doing a local list to run LAN parties |
| 22:20.23 | Winny | spldart: sure, just run a few bots :p |
| 22:20.37 | spldart | :( |
| 22:24.46 | Erroneous | local list for a lan party sounds like a *lot* of work |
| 22:25.04 | Erroneous | 'tisn't exactly a straightforward setup process |
| 22:26.16 | blast007 | 1) install phpBB 2) add a second database 3) import data 4) PROFIT!! |
| 22:26.44 | JeffM | don't forget apache and mysql |
| 22:26.44 | blast007 | but yeah, seems like overkill |
| 22:26.56 | blast007 | JeffM: XAMPP ;) |
| 22:26.58 | JeffM | it's a lan, so you'd not have those setup |
| 22:27.16 | Erroneous | yeah, could build it on a phpbb-enabled VM image or something |
| 22:27.32 | Erroneous | still seems like a lot of work :) |
| 22:27.34 | blast007 | make a VMWare Appliance for it ;) |
| 22:27.41 | blast007 | everyone can run list servers! |
| 22:27.42 | JeffM | how would you get it, your lan isn't on the internnet ;) |
| 22:27.57 | JeffM | if it was, you can just use the list server and advertise ;) |
| 22:28.07 | blast007 | yeah, this was years ago |
| 22:28.15 | blast007 | doubt we had advertise |
| 22:28.21 | JeffM | probably not |
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| 22:28.39 | blast007 | that was the only instance that I knew about |
| 22:28.54 | JeffM | I know a coupel have tried it just for giggles |
| 22:29.08 | JeffM | the software isn't as important as our domain and the data we have |
| 22:29.24 | Constitution | blast007: you're still revamping the list server source, right? or did we decide to go with a non-PHP solution? |
| 22:29.26 | JeffM | and our user database is for sho, NOT open source. |
| 22:29.41 | blast007 | Constitution: I don't see a reason to stop on mine |
| 22:29.50 | blast007 | it's close enough that I should finish it |
| 22:30.04 | JeffM | and I'm REALY lazy, so I won';t get anything done anytime soon ;) |
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| 22:30.27 | Constitution | perhaps a nice admin interface for modifying/removing/banning servers would be a welcome addition? |
| 22:30.30 | blast007 | though currently mine isn't tied to phpBB |
| 22:30.37 | blast007 | Constitution: mine doesn't even do bans yet |
| 22:30.43 | blast007 | nor logging |
| 22:31.04 | JeffM | filtering would be nice for most things |
| 22:31.08 | JeffM | the bans are mostly for players |
| 22:31.16 | JeffM | the filters are for servers |
| 22:31.45 | JeffM | looks like pythonian fell off the list |
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| 22:32.02 | tannerld | (yay) |
| 22:32.06 | spldart | heh |
| 22:32.20 | JeffM | a "disallow servers with this in the name unless they are in these groups" would be awesome |
| 22:33.01 | Winny | no dancing on IRC? |
| 22:33.06 | JeffM | nope |
| 22:33.09 | JeffM | good bye |
| 22:33.12 | Winny | darn |
| 22:33.30 | JeffM | no cake ether |
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| 22:39.33 | spldart | ooop |
| 22:39.33 | spldart | anthony rebooted.. lol |
| 22:39.50 | JeffM | it shows you YOUR server when you see that |
| 22:39.50 | JeffM | not the one they are on |
| 22:39.50 | spldart | oh |
| 22:39.51 | JeffM | for me it showed brown |
| 22:39.57 | spldart | Moo... moo moo |
| 22:40.02 | brlcad | JeffM: i'm done |
| 22:40.17 | JeffM | brlcad, ok thanks |
| 22:40.18 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:40.41 | spldart | sure enough..... my server.. |
| 22:40.43 | JeffM | :) |
| 22:40.46 | Erroneous | screws up my thought patterns for the rest of the day :S |
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| 22:41.22 | Erroneous | but hey, at least I can edit motds without logging into mysql locally :) |
| 22:41.36 | brlcad | yup, awesomeness |
| 22:41.49 | blast007_ | ooo, what did I miss? |
| 22:41.57 | blast007_ | something about PHP? ;) |
| 22:41.58 | brlcad | shame it's not linked to the main menu |
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| 22:42.12 | Erroneous | it's on the admin menu |
| 22:42.27 | brlcad | hrm, didn't see it |
| 22:42.37 | Erroneous | unless I edited the wrong file (didn't actually test that bit) |
| 22:42.48 | Erroneous | yeah, it's there |
| 22:42.49 | brlcad | ah, there it be |
| 22:42.51 | Erroneous | http://bzflag.org/admin/ |
| 22:42.57 | brlcad | wasn't' there or I just totally missed it the first time |
| 22:43.06 | brlcad | or you'd not added it yet |
| 22:43.16 | Erroneous | could be |
| 22:43.24 | JeffM | IIRC there is a bug on the admin page where it dosn't show the full menu untill you reload the page |
| 22:43.33 | Erroneous | there are a number of bugs |
| 22:43.44 | Erroneous | including some nasty gecko display bugs |
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| 22:44.04 | JeffM | list server policy is live on the fourms and at http://my.bzflag.org/w/List_Server_Usage_Policy |
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| 22:47.00 | Erroneous | blast007_: to answer your question, see "Edit existing MOTDs" on the admin page |
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| 22:51.24 | CIA-MIA | GPLib: 03JeffM2501 * r33 10/trunk/GPLib/inc/gpFile.h: Start a generic file interface |
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| 23:04.00 | spldart | Woah! |
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| 23:05.01 | JeffMFishbone | wheee |
| 23:05.01 | spldart | This is hilarious.... My compy... on Anthony and Teh wifes compy in the same room on another server are located in the same room and these netspits get a bit.... noisy |
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| 23:05.02 | jftsang | lulwut at what happens with freenode |
| 23:05.02 | L4m3r | good way to ensure you don't miss anything, spldart :P |
| 23:05.02 | spldart | Right!?!?! |
| 23:05.02 | spldart | Currently watching Sugar Land Govt meeting on cable so can';t hardly miss anything anywho |
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| 23:05.08 | spldart | Pogo's on Niven |
| 23:05.08 | spldart | Another?!?! |
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| 23:05.39 | spldart | That's it... freenode is grenaded!!! |
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| 23:06.45 | spldart | Freenode is being evil guys |
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| 23:07.07 | jftsang | we know |
| 23:07.08 | spldart | :~D |
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| 23:07.41 | jftsang | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foundation-flash.com%2Fcontact.php |
| 23:07.41 | jftsang | take a look at this |
| 23:08.17 | jftsang | http://www.foundation-flash.com/contact.php |
| 23:08.17 | jftsang | now note the images at the bottom of that page |
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| 23:08.17 | Winny | jftsang: uh, and we can because? |
| 23:08.32 | jftsang | (off topic) |
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| 23:10.50 | blast007 | weeee, ride the netsplits |
| 23:11.06 | Winny | blast007: is that lame kiddie back? |
| 23:11.15 | spldart | d |
| 23:11.21 | spldart | ... oops |
| 23:11.27 | spldart | Action-split |
| 23:11.40 | blast007 | Winny: hmm? |
| 23:11.41 | spldart | Another one for bash.org |
| 23:12.24 | Winny | blast007: the reason we were having all the netspilts a couple weeks ago was a kiddie and his botnet pingflooding freenode |
| 23:12.46 | blast007 | oh |
| 23:13.51 | Winny | do the TWiT, do the TWiT |
| 23:13.57 | Winny | gosh this is annoying theme music |
| 23:14.18 | spldart | :-( |
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| 23:35.15 | spldart | Woah... My city council still has a prayer for the opening pre pledge for council meetings |
| 23:36.26 | spldart | Sry... OT... gonna find a bz server to play on now |
| 23:37.05 | Winny | Constitution: WTF |
| 23:37.26 | Winny | Tangent has surely gone over 30,000 by now |
| 23:37.30 | Constitution | ah, true |
| 23:37.58 | Winny | so I still have 27,000 some left |
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| 23:51.27 | JeffM | so then you know what I did? I said "STick to to the mAN!" |
| 23:52.07 | JeffM | you assume that we've all left it ;) |
| 23:52.13 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:55.45 | JeffM | blast007, that ankh thing defenatly does not suck |
| 23:55.56 | blast007 | cool |
| 23:56.08 | JeffM | it gets the JeffM "not bad" |
| 23:56.12 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:56.31 | ahs3- | I am having trouble placing geno, using the conf or zoneflag, every other flag is fine. I'm using 2.0.11 on Linux |
| 23:56.41 | Winny | 2.0.11? :o |
| 23:56.46 | ahs3- | yes from svn |
| 23:56.49 | JeffM | branch |
| 23:56.53 | JeffM | basicly .10 |
| 23:56.59 | JeffM | with one change from ts |
| 23:56.59 | ahs3- | yea |
| 23:56.59 | Winny | already added new features? ;) |
| 23:57.06 | JeffM | ts aded one change |
| 23:57.09 | Winny | ah |
| 23:57.12 | JeffM | not sure why, but he did |
| 23:57.38 | JeffM | but we bump the rev after the tag, so that we don't have more then one build of the same "release" |
| 23:57.44 | JeffM | just makes it simpler |
| 23:58.01 | JeffM | ahs3-, do you get an error? |
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| 23:58.22 | ahs3- | no, it just doesnt place the geno flag |
| 23:58.29 | ahs3- | no error even with -dddd |
| 23:58.31 | Thumper_ | ahs3-: rabbit mode? |
| 23:58.53 | ahs3- | no FFA |
| 23:59.32 | Winny | ahs3-: how many players/team? IIRC, you need more then two? |
